The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 3 - Sean McVay

Episode Date: August 29, 2023

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I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd. We have an outstanding third hour of the show for you. My man, Rich Ornberger, will join us. Got a good best for last. Got some herd line news. You know, I saw this, and I thought it was an, interesting, I'm going to say story or anecdote or whatever. The Broncos have now added, I believe it's their seventh former saint as they traded for Will Lutz,

who's of course a kicker and a guy kicks indoors. Very, very good. Now put him in the altitude and you would think that's a kicker's paradise. Granted, there are times in Denver which you have to deal with the elements. but so he's back with Sean Payton. Something we'd like to call the rabbi in the room, and this is really interesting in sports. It's a parallel in business.

I'm sure many of you have experienced it. We have it here at Fox Sports Radio. Obviously, Dan, Colin, and I, we all worked at the other place. My boss is Scott Shapiro. He used to work at the other place as well. It's one of the things that is, you know, we try and make hires about things it's not about in head coaching or in the business world or whatever it's all the same you want to you usually want to work with people who you've worked

with previously because they know how you operate just easier that way you don't have to kind of explain yourself like I don't worry about it I've done this before you know it's not just you know their family or there there's a there's a relationship there there's a respect there and what's maybe more interesting to me is when somebody is not brought with you, right? Like, ah, you bring the whole crew and Jimmy gets left behind. Well, it says a lot about Jimmy. Does it work elsewhere?

It usually does. You know, because the expectation is that we know what you expect of me. I know what it expected you. The curious part about the Saints is there is a year gap and that thing did begin to fade before Sean Payton bid a do. and while there is familiarity, also remember you're playing in the elements and if you're just going to try and recreate it,

can you recreate it with Russell Wilson, who's very different? Like the only thing that's, I guess there's two things that are comparable to Drew Brees. They both finish their careers in the Big Ten, and they're both smaller quarterbacks. But Russell's not like a pocket guy. Drew had kind of a unique way to manipulate

the pocket. Whereas Russell has always been a, yeah, I can throw it in the pocket, but let me run around and make a play back here. It'll give me a very different style if he's going to be successful within Sean's previous offense. But that's the old rabbi in the room. You've got to

have somebody who believes in you, who will stand by you, who's been who's either scouted you or coached you when you've had success previously. yeah, by the way, for Sean Peyton, it makes sense because now you have seven guys in the locker room who, anytime there's questioning of Sean Payton in the locker, they're like, yeah, look, this stuff works.

Trust me, I played for him in New Orleans. It worked there. All right, let's get to college football. Still a week in which college football can dominate. And I think this is a mistake because it takes away from the actual product on the field. Like if I was in charge of college football, I would just speak to the excitement of it. Like you kind of got a bridge year here, a transition year here. The Big 12 is halfway through kind of remaking itself.

Next year, the Big 10 remakes itself. The SEC remakes itself. The Big 12 remakes itself. Obviously, the Pac-12 likely disappears. We still don't know about a couple of those teams. But next year, and the college football playoff expands. Next year is the exciting year. So this year, like, how do we build it up?

up. We saw Caleb Williams play this past weekend for SC, some of his new toys to play with. We saw Notre Dame finally have themselves an elite level quarterback. They take them to a new play. Now everybody else gets a chance to play. Jim Harbaugh caught on the, you know, I think we should pay the players out of the TV revenue discussion. Take a listen. We have to try to make it work. And we do. We have to try to make it work. We have to try to make it better.

And right now, the current status quo is unacceptable and won't survive. Okay, but this is where you start to get into the pushback over what part of the status quo is unacceptable? What part? You know, there's a lot to this that doesn't get discussed. If you take George as a snapshot, who's won back-to-back national titles, how many? issues have they had with these cars? Why do they have issues with these cars? Well, because when you play at Georgia, much like any of these schools, you get a car now. And nobody goes to the lot and says, hey man, pick anything you want. You're a Georgia Bulldog. You know what? I am going to take a Kia

soul. That's not, nothing against the key of soul. Look like they're a lot of fun. First car for a kid, right? But if you're a George Bulldog and you're an athlete, It's like the, do you guys know, the tragic accident involved in the Georgia kid, right? He was, they were driving a 700 horsepower Jeep Grand Cherokee. And I don't know what kind of car you had when you first got to college, but I didn't have a 700,000 horsepower. I haven't ever had a 700 horsepower car. Never happened. You know, some of the, why do players more and more carry weapons?

Well, some of it is in parts of our culture and different parts of the country, but a lot of it is everyone on campus knows they got cash. And so there's the, man, I need to protect myself, not just people on campus, but especially people off campus that may come looking and hanging around. And when you have more money, there's more people hanging around because now you can afford to have, you got your own apartment, you got your own condo. You can afford to have your boys come up and hang with you because money's not a problem. I understand what Harbaugh is doing, right? He's trying to, I think there's twofold one. One, it's, I don't know what the status of the collective is at Michigan. I'm guessing it's not as good at some of the schools in the South or at Ohio State.

Because Michigan, and, you know, you have these schools of incredibly successful alums. A lot of them are like, I'm not giving money to that. I don't believe in buying players. I'd rather see them play for Michigan than play for a check. And so it's harder. This would, in theory, take the pressure off the collectives to pay for NIL. Again, that's a theory. So you're telling me that players who are making $150 to $300 and up $1,000 per year already,

that in this, they're going to unionize, negotiate, get a piece of the pie, and then go, all this money is good, we don't want NIL. money? No. That ain't how it works. But the, it's not working. It's not sustainable. It may not be sustainable. It probably isn't truly working, but it has never been better to be a college athlete. Ever. Keep in mind, it's not really name image and likeness. It's paid for play. Because if it was named image and likeness, you wouldn't get a check before you actually play a game. And many of the freshmen, you're not able to play right away. The only reason they play you right away is they're afraid they're lose you or the people who wrote the check for the collective they want to see you play so you get money

you get you basically negotiate a deal before you get to campus you start getting paid before you get to campus at a value commensurate with some imaginary number because you haven't actually even played it down caught a touchdown pass or blocked anybody and then at some point in the And if you're playing well, well, anybody can find a way through a third party to recruit you and offer you more money, whether you're going to get it or not get it.

You can leverage it against your current deal. You can leave and play right away. Maybe play more. Maybe go to a different school, a different coach, whatever. Do this multiple times over. And oh, yeah, by the way, with the exception of not every school, Michigan, probably one of those schools that doesn't do a ton.

But a lot of them never still put on campus. all your classes being online. So either Jim is completely out of it in terms of what's actually going on, or he's doing what most politicians do. Just kind of grandstanding. Kids need more. This isn't good enough. We've got to pay them more.

That's not actually the reality of how it works. Yes, schools, especially in the Big Ten, the SEC, are going to be making more money. they're going to be spending more money as well. And oh yeah, by the way, here's the secret. All right. Huddle in here real quick. You ready? The TV revenue is a drop in the bucket for the real money.

I had one of the biggest ADs in the country tell me the real money is in the stadium. The reason that schools, the Oklahoma's and the Texas is wanted in the, SEC was, they can make $150 million out of the stadium per year. People don't know this, or aren't aware or don't, when Trump came into office, he did away with the tax write-off for tickets. So the fear was that many people would do away with their suites or with their tickets if it wasn't the best teams and the best stadium, the best of the best, the best coming in. Like Texas had to be looking at themselves going.

like, look, Iowa State or Florida, LSU or Kansas coming into our building, what's going to make somebody sign up for season tickets? That's where the money's there. And then in the donations, the TV money, that gets cut up and spent on not just your resources, your staffing, but also on all the rest of the sports. So I know it's very easy to champion Jim Harbaugh and say,

man, he's a voice of change. he's for the players trust me don't worry about the players they're being compensated well above their actual level I mean the perfect example of it is and I know this is basketball

do you guys remember Kofi Kovirn Tu-Ti do you remember Kofi Koburn played at the University of Illinois? I do yes okay right do you know where he played professional basketball last year after leaving Illinois with a year left of eligibility

uh not Not Europe, right? It was somewhere else. It was like a weird... Nope. Nowhere. Didn't play professional basketball last year. He was the most dominant big guy in college basketball years.

But again, much like the running back when we discussed this, his style of basketball because he couldn't shoot, couldn't play on the perimeter, not really valued in the NBA. And he was making so much money in NIL to stay in Illinois that he stayed around Illinois. trying to capitalize on his name image and likeness. I mean, it's crazy. Crazy. He's not playing for the sale Samsung Thunders. Okay.

But that's now, not last year. Right. But it hasn't actually happened yet, right? You've got to, like, right now he's signed a deal and we'll see if he probably makes a team. But what country is that in? Sale. Soul? Sorry.

Soul. I can't talk today. That's okay. So he's in Korea. He's in Korea, yes. Yeah. Buck 25, maybe. Maybe a buck 50.

I mean, we're setting them up for failure when they get to the real world, but forget about all that. Nobody actually cares. My point is, please, we all know that the star athletes are being handsomely compensated. And if they're not, they leave and find somebody who will. of all the issues to tackle to fix college football, don't think that's one. Not right now. All right, coming up next in the herd,

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If so, why bring in Trey Lance? And if you're going to bring in Trey Lance, why not run it by a Dak Prescott? And by the way, how the Cardinals expect to win a game with that roster? We'll get to that. I'll come next in the Hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of the HARD

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You can hear him on Big Ridge TD and Fetch, 6 to 9 a.m. Pacific Time on San Diego Sports 760, and he joins us now in The Herd. Why do you think the Niners miss so badly on Trey Lance? that is the million dollar question Doug it's a it's a combination of things and a lot of it has been well documented

obviously it was a very strange time period in the country let alone football with the pandemic and so there were limited snaps taken by many of the draft picks that were selected in that draft and him coming out of an FDS school largely untested at the college level having only played

you know, just north of 10 games his whole college career, it's really difficult to get a full scouting report on a player that raw, very talented, high-feeling guys, but very raw, especially given what we saw at the college level. So there's that. And then there's this other side of the conversation, which is, you know, maybe the 49ers didn't miss as bad as we think, and time will tell.

Maybe it was just a combination, a confluence of events. that led to him missing a whole lot of time due to injury, and it really hampered his ability to develop during his time in San Francisco. And then there's another side of it, which is some guys just mentally can't hack it at the professional level. And it doesn't matter what position you play, whether it's offensive line or defensive backfield or quarterback, where the whole team is relying on you every single snap because you're going to have the ball in your hand every single snap. Some guys just don't have the mental makeup. to handle the speed of the game at the NFL level,

to handle what decisions need to be made, you know, the full scope of the playbook, and as a result, they just never pan out. So it could be a myriad of reasons, and there are going to be a lot of people with strong opinions here, and this story will fade because he'll become a backup quarterback in this league. But who knows what the future will hold, because I think a lot of people wrote off Gino Smith,

but just like he said in that interview after the Broncos win for Seattle on the road, he said, look, they wrote it, but I didn't read it. And he signed a big old contract with Seattle, and he's been probably the prime of his career

and playing some good football. So we'll see what the future holds for Trey Land. He said he didn't write back. So he said he didn't write back. That's right, yeah, yeah, he didn't write back. That's right, that's right. He didn't write right back. Richard Orrneberger's joining us. What about the Cowboys? yearly hype train for the Cowboys.

But I guess there's logic behind it, right? You've had two good seasons a row. They haven't had back-to-back-back-10 win season since the 90s. What's your buy-in to the Cowboys? I'm pretty bought in. And I got to tell you something. Not only have they assembled it on the offensive side of the field, and that's exciting because Dax got some real weapons to work with,

but also defensively, there's been this firm commitment from the front office to improve that defense through the draft and organically make this team stronger with some free agent acquisitions that make sense with the sort of defense they're looking to play. And then DAC, you know, look, DAC is the linchpin for the Cowboy success, just like the other 31 teams in the league. You rely heavily on your quarterback. And I think Jerry Jones very tactically spent a fourth rounder for Trey Lance

because it's possible that he could have signed Trey Lance as a free agent if the 49ers cut him but I think it was worth the fourth rounder for Jerry Jones to tell Dak like hey buddy you're our guy but we do have to keep our eyes on the future especially if we don't start getting more out of you

in the postseason because as much as Jerry Jones is loyal and he is he also is aware that time's ticking you know, he wants to win, he wants to see another Super Bowl victory, you know, before he hands the responsibilities over to his son or meets his maker for crying out loud. And with that time he has left, he wants to encourage better play out of his quarterback. And look, you can't coach durability.

And I know Dax has had some injuries where the ankle two seasons ago and Cooper Rush had a fill in for a time there last season and he did a nice job. but there have been some disappointing playoffs appointments for the Cowboys and I think the trade with Trey Lance recently he went on radio and he was talking about how they were considering drafting Jalen Hertz

back a couple of years ago you know so the indication to me is that Jerry Jones likes what he sees out of his team loves his roster once a little bit more out of his quarterback makes sense to me I don't know Trey Lange the possible tweaking of Trey Lance

kind of like the Packers end up doing when they got Jordan Love and Aaron Rogers reels off two MVP's in a row. That's not the worst parallel in the world. Rich Ornberger joins us in the herd on Fox Sports Radio. I know you work in San Diego. I do have to ask the question. Like, I know they found a way to Charger in the playoffs. But I've been to the – I went to the Rams.

I've seen the Cowboys. You look around the league. If healthy, doesn't it feel like the Chargers? This has got to be. year of Herbert on the old deal, on the rookie deal. Doesn't this feel like this is a year in which the Chargers are that team? If the Chargers stay healthy, they have a Super Bowl squad, hard stop. I mean, that is the real, that's the truth of the matter.

This team is so loaded. When you look across this offense, when you see the weapons that Justin Herbert, who is a superlative quarterback in this league, what he has, what he's working with, Keenan Allen, who's going to be more, than a slot receiver this year with Kelmore there. They're going to move them around. He's going to attack the edges with Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Quentin Johnson. I mean, don't sleep on Everett, a tight end. I mean, you look in the backfield, Austin Echler. He just signed that new contract that's going to incentivize better play out of that running back room, which was

already incredible last season, but he's going to try to earn every single dollar as a running back because, well, frankly, he wants to prove that he's being underpaid per his value on this contract that he's playing on now. And then you look across to the defensive side of the ball, and they've got co-bowlers everywhere you look. You know, Bosa's screaming off the edge, Derwin-Dream. He can play coverage. You can get him down low in the box. He's a great blitzing safety. He's the Swiss Army knife of that defense, and they're going to utilize him that way. Yeah, but the one bugaboo with the chargers for years now has been their health. They've been snake-bitten. If they can keep their 11 starters on the field offensively and

defensively throughout 17 games. And I know that's asking a lot, but say for the most part, at least say for the most part, this is what a Super Bowl squad looks like on paper at least. Agreed. I'm in agreeance with you. Who's the team in the NFC? We're not, we haven't discussed, right? You basically have Eagles, Niners, and I guess you throw in Cowboys there.

Who aren't we? There has to be somebody else we're not paying attention to. there is there definitely is and it's a team that has quietly gotten a lot better and it's both due to just a waiting game you have to play with certain injuries and certain players and an acquisition that happened this off season that i don't think a lot of people realize how impactful it was in the division it's the new orleans saints Doug you look at the saints with derrick car a healthy michael thompson um you uh you look at uh alvin kamara coming off suspension. I mean, all of a sudden, you have an offense that's pretty star-studded there. And then

add on top of it, that defense was top five last year. Now, I'm not saying they were a quarterback away last year, but with Thomas, with Kamara, with a group of talented playmakers, Chris Alave, around Derek Carr, I mean, that was a top 10 offense in the Las Vegas Raiders car was was quarterbacking last year. That defense gave away games time after time. And I know that's a common refrain with Derrick Carr. You know, everybody's like, well, Derrick's not a winner. Derek Carr's not a winner. Well, look at the defenses that the Raiders have provided him year after year after year and how many games slipped away from them in second halves

because their defense didn't foot the billing. Well, it's going to be a lot different down in New Orleans for Derek Carr because he's going to have a real defense that's going to get him second chance opportunities with interceptions and fumble recoveries and all that stuff that we know impacts games. The turnover margin will be in their favor because he's careful with the football and they're playing in a down division. The NFC South is extremely winnable. I think an NFC team that nobody's talking about is the Saints. And for the life of me, I can't figure out why.

I think it's people don't buy in a Dennis Allen. Fair unfair. And I think, you know, I would tell you that Derek Carr, there was a lot of good. There was also some questionable stuff. I would agree with you on the defense. I mean, even take that Rams game. When Baker-Mayfield had two days to repair, you know, you're in press man coverage with 20 seconds to go. Like, what, what, it was just, it was, the whole thing was bizarre.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Those are fair points. Those are fair points. Arizona Cardinals, I mean, this is, they're not even, they're not even trying to hide it. They're clearly not playing to win this year. Have you, can you recall anything that there was this obvious? in terms of the desire to refresh or tank, if you will?

Boy, if there is one, I can't think of it because I think this is number one with a bullet, and there isn't a close second. Doug, this is thinking out loud. And I don't know what the front office can say other than, hey, our hands are tied. We have an injured starting quarterback that we're paying a boatload of cash to. We've got some dead money because we cut a talented. receiver and that's going to affect our cap and, you know, our hands are tied, our hands are tied. But the reality of the situation is, I mean, cutting Colt McCoy, who you would assume

filling in for Kyle Murray can stable the ship at least for at least for a little while while they're waiting for Collars need to get right. You know, that is an indication that you're looking forward to the, the 2024 draft. And then the other one is signing a guy just days ago who may end up being your game one starter and acting like everything's just fine and dandy. This reeks. This reeks. If it isn't tanking,

I mean, it's the next door neighbor. And you better be careful. You might share a driveway. This is really, really bad. The NFL ought to take, you know,

some time and take a look at the tactics. And maybe, I don't want to say necessarily launch an investigation, but I bet you, if we had access to those emails, those in-house emails, it would prove probably a lot of what we're talking about today, Doug, because this stinks, this stinks to high heaven. Yeah, I mean, why would you?

Look, and I will point out, you know, last year, you know, the NFC East had the easiest schedule, especially the Eagles had the easiest schedule, and a lot of it out of their own power, who they crossed over against. NFC East plays the NFC West, take the commanders. That's a great way to start your season, to get some confidence in a guy like a Sam Howl. Sometimes when one team is down, it can really help propel others up,

especially early in the season. I did want to ask you, this is Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick, I found this to be interesting. He was asked about cash spending as opposed to cap space and the balance of the two. This was his response. Can't you create cap space by spending more cash? guarantees so teams like the bills are temporarily you can you can't you can't

sustain it no I mean you can't sustain the 20 years of success that we sustain by overspending every year without having to eventually pay those bills and play with a lesser team do you think it is so I think if you look at the teams that you know have done that that's kind of where some of them ended up you know Jacksonville back in 14 the Rams are going through it Tampa's going through it now so not saying there's any right or wrong with it, it's just a different way of doing things,

and there's the results for doing that. What do you think of that discussion, Rich? I think there's a fair point and a fair play on both sides. Let's need with the FM picks, let's go buy a Super Bowl at work, and do justify the means in that case. but what Bill is defending is culture building. And that's something that is sorely missed in the NFL. There's a lot of teams that give up on a coach

because they have one down year or two consecutive down years. And maybe there was some good coach to come on the other side of those two down years. I mean, just think about Andy Reid's exit with the Philadelphia Eagles. He goes to the Kansas City Chiefs, completely renovates that football team by building a culture, bringing in Alex Smith. They went from a three or three.

four-win team to an 11-win team and a playoff berth in one year. And then it's off to the races with Patrick Mahomes when they draft Alex Smith's replacement. You know, think about Pete Carroll in Seattle, how many times we've heard the Hotsie conversation out there. And he's found ways to reinvent himself. Same thing with John Harbaugh and Baltimore. Same thing with Bill Belichick. He's going through one of these lulls right now, but he's a culture builder.

And we're in a, what have you done for me lately, society? And so there's a lot of fans that love the free agent acquisitions and the trading away the draft to get special players. And there is an argument to be made for that because you can win Super Bowls that way. We've seen it before. And he pointed out a couple examples. But if you want to sustain success, like for example, the Pittsburgh Steelers have for many years with Mike Tomlin or as mentioned Andy Reid with Patrick Mahomes in the chief situation before that even with Alex Smith or Bill, what he's been. built in New England for two decades plus. You've got to be careful.

You've got to be careful with guarantees. You've got to be careful with getting, you know, too far over your skis. Because in some ways, you're Robin Peter to pay Paul, and we know how that works out. You're going biblical on me. I actually used the exact same line earlier. So we just, we're just going to agree to agree. That's what we're going to do. That's the one-only, Rich Ornberger.

Of course, you can hear on weekends on Fox Sports Radio. Check them out. morning on San Diego Sports 760. Richard the best man. Thanks so much for join us. Yep. Right back at you, Doug. Anytime. Let's get to Ryan Music with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the Heard Line News. All right, Doug. Some news out of the NFL regarding one of the Super Bowl contenders for this upcoming season. Unfortunately, not necessarily great news, but mostly

expected. Another star who will be starting his year on the sidelines is Vaughn Miller. As we discussed previously with Kyler Murray, Vaughn Miller will begin the season on the physically unable to perform list, meaning he will miss the first four games of the season at a minimum. Well, I mean, he was brought in last year for the playoffs. Obviously, it wasn't healthy for the playoffs. At some point in time we'll reach the kind of point of no return

because he's going to be too long in the tooth. But this is only good news for Aaron Rogers and the Jets. Otherwise, I don't think it's terrible news for the bills because Bonn Miller is there as a mercenary to win a ring. And you need him the last four weeks of the season in the playoffs to be at his best. Sure. I mean, that's essentially what he did for the Rams, right? Started the year with the Broncos. People were wondering how much he had left.

He shows up with the Rams. And then by the final four to five games of the regular season, and their push to the Super Bowl, he was incredible. I guess we'll keep an eye on Vaughn. Hopefully this being his second big injury, he's able to bounce back and still be effective at this point in his career. And we will turn our attention to another team in New York. That would be the New York Giants,

as Daniel Jones has a big new contract, his top teammate. Sequan Barkley, talking to the New York Post, says he sees something a little different with his quarterback. I don't want to speak for DJ, but he's going to come in every single day with the same mindset and be the leader that we need. We can see his swagger has grown a little bit more after being involved in this system, understanding the system even better. So a little bit more swagger out of Daniel Jones.

I think there's a really good chance that he's right, you know, because so many rightfully doubted Daniel Jones, and he wasn't the same without Sequin. Nobody's arguing that. But he also didn't have great weapons. You know, they've improved the weapons. He's got a year under his belt. He's clearly got a coach that believes in him.

And say what you want about the contract. It feels like an overpay. You know, $40 million per year feels like an overpay. But it does signify that there's some belief in him. So that helps your confidence. It's such a huge part of sport that once you have it, you'd never want to give it away. and I think your performance can play at a level above your actual skill set. I think that's a big thing.

And if that swagger is real, there should be another level to Daniel Jones. So your point about confidence and belief. One thing that's clear is since Joe Shane and Brian Dayball have arrived and taken over that Giants organization, they seem to believe in Daniel Jones. And that's all that really matters right now. And we'll wrap up with this, the Athletics surveyed 23 NFL agents. one of the questions asked, who's the best general manager overall? And with the tally of votes, Howie Roseman of the Eagles came in first by quite a bit of a margin.

He had 10 of the votes, followed by Brett Veach with four. Then you had John Schneider, Brandon Bean, John Lynch, Eric Acosta, and Jerry Jones with one vote there. Some of the quotes to back up their vote for Howie Roseman as the league's best GM. Look, I hate to say it, but Roseman keeps back. putting together good rosters and wins games. Another one said, sometimes he's cutthroat, but he finds a way to get the right guys for the roster and their salary cap. And the last one here, Roseman gets ahead of extensions

and gets guys to take less money. That's a sign. I don't know if A.J. Brown got to took less money, or J.L. and Hertz took less money. Right. The big challenge for Howie, and look, Howie got, you know, he lost the power struggle with Chip and obviously regained it and showed why he should.

should be kind of in power there in Philadelphia. But the big challenge is, okay, now you have the quarterback making the real money. Granted, that doesn't, I don't think it actually hits the salary cap until next year, but they spent a bunch of cat. Now let's, that's when it gets hard. Did they position themselves brilliantly? Absolutely. Do they have a very talented roster?

Sure. But you start to lose coordinators, how are they replaced? You start to, you have seven new starters. How are they replaced? Your quarterback's one of the top paid guys in the league, and I think everybody thinks he's good, way better than we thought. But is he truly elite? Let's find out now that he's making the big money,

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Like, I love basketball. But when Ronde Hollis Jefferson drops 39 in the same tournament, I just have a tough time going like, this is the one to lock in on. But Josh Giddy's playing well. Speaking of Giddy, I don't know if you guys saw the story. He said he was Starstruck the first time he saw Janice and Tenacumpo. Starstruck, which gets us to our best for last.

It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind to the very last segment. It's time for best for last. So, Ryan Music, help me out here. The premise of what we're doing, the top five is the most starstruck I've ever been. in meeting or playing against a star? Is that what it is? I mean, sure, it could be that,

or it could be just any other generic celebrity. Or person I would be or have been? I suppose it could be any of the above. I mean, whatever you prefer. Obviously, Josh Gidea was the first time that he actually played against Janus. So if you want to go that route, maybe the most star-struck you've been against people

you've actually played against. Okay, I got it. I got it. Here's the list. Let's get to number five. Number five. The inside the NBA crew, look, I'll own it, okay? I had a line that I thought was funny. It didn't come out as intended, nor did it come out as funny.

The first I was working at CBS in the Sweet 16, the first couple rounds of the tournament I was covering the games. Sweet 16 Thursday, right? We're on CBS. And the Turner guys, they don't meet. There's no pre-show meeting. You don't run through a rundown. You just kind of go. And I remember sitting out there, and I'm looking, there's Greg Gumble, and then there's Clark Kellogg, and then there's Charles Barkley, and then, oh, no, it wasn't Clark.

It was Greg Gumble, Charles Barkley, Kenny Smith, Greg Anthony, and me. And I shouldn't even need to say I'm the token white guy or whatever, but I said I'm the, what is it? I'm just here to get the white man's perspective. I was just trying to be funny and it was dumb. But it's kind of starstruck. I got nervous. I choked. And Barclay's the best.

But, man, I got to tell you, I was so nervous working with those guys. Number four. Alan Iverson. I was a freshman at Notre Dame. This is January of 96. Vital's calling the game. We're playing Georgetown. This is back when he didn't have cornrows then, right?

Tiley had a football. fade. He was known as Bubbichuk. And Georgetown's uniforms were dope. And they wore the patent leather Air Jordans. He had ankle braces. And I just, I wasn't scared, but I was like Starstruck because I had heard so much about it. It's like a mythical character. He dunked on our seven-footer Matt Gotts in the game. He didn't shoot the ball well. He took some crazy shots. But I

shouldn't have me Starstruck a bit. Number three. Shaquille O'Neal. I was a kid. and my dad was close friends with the longtime LSU coach, Dale Brown. And we went to the Wooden Awards. And he won the Wooden Award for the best player in college basketball. And I shook his hand, and I swore to God,

it hit my elbow. I was like, that's the biggest human being I've ever seen in my life. No. So, Keel Ode. Two of you told a story during the break. Peyton Manning, I got to do sideline for Fox for an NFL game. And it was,

Brock Osweiler actually got the win for the Denver Broncos. And yeah, he did. Get beat the dolphins. Or no, Brock Oswald was the quarterback of the dolphins against the, it was against the bears. Excuse me, it's against the bears. But Peyton stopped in because Adam Gase was the coach. Adam Gase and Peyton were friends, right? He used to be his offense coordinator in Denver.

And so before the game, like, Peyton's there with his son. So I didn't, I just wanted to say hi. And I'd met him before, but on the sideline, the sheriff. and like do I get into this conversation? Do I wait? I have a microphone with a flat with a fox. Like I'm wearing the suit, so I was so nervous meeting that dude. And he couldn't be any nicer.

And he's doing the kind of head bob as he talks to you. But yeah, the sheriff had me nervous. Number one. Michael Jeffrey Jordan. Michael Jordan used to have his own basketball camp at UC Santa Barbara. And, you know, you. You know, the whole thing is you get, here's what you get when you're a counselor, right? You get paid, you get a little swag.

You get to take a picture with Jordan, and you get one item autographed and authenticated. I still have that. The good folks, upper deck authenticated. But the big thing was you got to play in pickup games with Jordan. And I remember sitting there, like I was sitting out the first one, I checked in the second one. Of course, he won. And then, like, you get on a switch, and you're at the top of the key, and he's got the ball. And he's palming the basketball.

You're like, oh, my God, please don't embarrass me. So yeah Yeah Michael George is the most starstruck I have Like he just It's Iverson said it during his Hall of Fame speech right It's like God himself walked in and played basketball There's my list There's my list

All right we're a couple days away here From college football seasons kicking off And you know we're going to talk about Instead of talking about the hardball thing And splitting revenue and NIL I just think the West Coast you need a big 10 team to get to a championship game and maybe win it but really what you need is a West Coast team back in the college football playoff.

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