The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 3 - Should Mets fans be worried?

Episode Date: June 27, 2023

2-time Super Bowl champion Logan Ryan joins the show in studio to talk about playing with Tom Brady and what it was like trying to defend against Aaron Rodgers Are the Mets having a melt down already?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Or stream us live every day on the IHart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Played nine games with a box. And if the Eagles needed a guy for a few, he'd go back. But a decade in the NFL, two Super Bowls. Love him every year when he comes on. Four years with the Patriots, Titans. You had really good coaches, by the way.

Vrabels, Belichick, smart guys. Logan Ryan is joining us a two-time Super Bowl champ. So, first of all, there's a lot I want to dive into. I do want to go back to the. Patriot years, because we were talking during the break, is that in college football, the margins in most games, if you were to Georgia, Bama, Oklahoma are greater. In the NFL, you know, Belichick introduces a left-footed punner. He wants different spin.

And we were talking about during the break, I said, you know, Logan, you've always been a think, you think the game, you just don't play it. Not every pro athlete does that. And you were talking about the kind of discussions that Belichick would have. Give me the first one I thought was fascinating. Yeah, I think the first one would be that we discussed is talking about the referees and knowing who the umpire is, knowing who the referees is, knowing what penalties they call the most. And if they're a crew that doesn't major in defensive pass interference, doesn't major in defensive holding, we're going to try to do that a little bit more. I remember wearing gloves, the color of the opponent's jersey, wearing white gloves, if they're wearing white on the road.

So we can get away with white gloves, they can't see the holding as much. And just kind of playing the game, right? what does the umpire look to call? We're not going to do that. If they're going to call a lot of holding, then Belichick might put boxing gloves on our hands during the week, so we can't hold at all in practice. So you're going to cover with your feet.

So he just did some things I never saw or never did before in my NFL career that I thought was really interesting. And obviously I see why, because you try to have every advantage you can in the game that's legal. Think about the Super Bowl against Atlanta. Right. So we're going against Atlanta in the Super Bowl, and this is when Julio Jones has like 250 yards against Green Bay.

and NFC Championship and just the best player on the planet at this time and his career. Shout out to my boy, Julio. And I remember he had a bad ankle or a bad foot going into that season or during that season and he was managing his practices and his practice. So they were saying he's not practicing that many days because of his foot. So we went into the game plan in Atlanta shadowing him to his good foot, meaning that he can only make breaks off his right foot. So when he's on this side of the formation, we'll cover these routes, not thinking that

he can break off his other foot as efficiently. So we honestly played leverage versus a guy based off his injured ankle. He proved us wrong. He made four spectacular catches that game. You go back and look at that Super Bowl. But he was only targeted four times. And that was the least amount of targets he had all season. And maybe they should have threw the ball to him more, knowing what they know.

But I think it ended up us getting a Super Bowl victory. You were teammates with Brady last season. You also, in his last New England game, pick six against him. you know it's it's not a ton of a sample but um last year when you were with him did you get a sense during it could you kind of sense because you're a veteran player a thoughtful player this feels like it i thought the way that the team was constructed of them winning a super bowl a few years earlier and running it all back roster-wise that tampa was only built for so long in terms of the amount of veterans the amount of money being spent um the amount of weapons on the

that side of the ball for Brady. So there was some finality in the season, but I think just knowing how he was interacting with his family, his kids, in terms of really wanting to spend time with his kids and be there with his kids, that was a little different because his kids were older. And I think, you know, the stuff that was going on off the field and on the field, I think was weighing on him a little bit, as obviously we're all humans. So I knew that there was going to be some type of break after the season. Now, whether that be return or not, he wouldn't tell me no one could tell you that. You got to ask that man himself.

But you know there was some finality to the end of that season. Was it the last time we saw Brady in a Bucks jersey was the last time we saw Tom Brady play football in general. And I think it's going to be the last time we see him play football. So hard knocks with the Jets appears inevitable. Years ago, I thought HBO was really important. This is not a shot at HBO. But to get behind the scene stuff 10 years ago, HBO was valuable. Now it's IG.

It's Snap. It's Twitter. I just, if I want to know about you, I can go to all your stuff. I think it's a bit I've said if your relationships rocky it'll get in a divorce attorney it won't turn a good marriage to a bad one

but New York's got an impulsive owner coach on the hot seat prickly old quarterback intense media market brutal early schedule a bunch of new stuff I don't love hard knocks on this your take away I just feels like

okay can you pick the bears do you have to go after Aaron Aaron's going to be have enough vultures circling him anywhere Anyway. I think people want to see Aaron Rogers behind the scenes. I think they want to see, you know, I think it's one of the most intriguing stories of the offseason.

100% Aaron Rogers going to the Jets. So I think people want to see more of that. Now what Hard Knocks can show or what they're okay being able, are they going to have a camera in the quarterback room? Are we going to see all these discussions how he interacts with Nathaniel Hackett and even Nathaniel Hackett's story of bouncing back and what type of coach is he?

So I think that, you know, are they able to show what they want to show? because back in the day, they used to show guys getting cut, and people remember Devante Davis, you know, stuff. And that's some real life stuff going on. They dramatized it and made it almost like for viewers to see, almost story time. So I don't know if they're allowed to show that stuff anymore.

So we'll see what they're allowed to show. But I think it would be pretty intriguing. You also, you picked off Rogers last year, didn't you? Yeah, week three? Yeah. So you're the last guy to pick off Brady as a Patriot, and then it was Rogers Week 3. take our audience into this.

Oh, do we have a picture of it? Hold on, let me see. There we go, baby. I'll get that. Was playing Aaron different than Tom? What were the differences as a DB? I would say the differences with the DB is that the extended plays that... So Tom, what he'll do is situationally, he'll extend plays, but he's not as athletic as Aaron. Right.

Right. So he's really good in the pocket. He's getting that thing out really quickly, efficiently, knowing the weaknesses of defense, picking on the worst DB on the field, a lot like Peyton Manning would play, right? I think Tom's better. Find the weak spot. Right. Find the weak spot, get it out.

Tom's better at that. If you reverse engineer that, I have a good idea where the ball is going based on us knowing our weak spot of the defense. So I have a good feel. Aaron Rogers goes rogue a little bit more. He'll double back three times, throw the ball 70 yards over your head. And a lot of the Green Bay system was very simple, but then they'll double move everything. So Devante Adams will run slant, slant, slant, then a sluggo.

or it'll be third and three and it'll take a 60-yard go ball and third and three. You think it's going to be a five-yard hitch. So Aaron was able to kind of go off package a little bit, a little more, almost like Ben Rothensberger and extend plays. And then those receivers will just run fire drill routes, which is backyard football. And there'll be a little bit more backyard football playing Aaron than it is playing Tom. A lot of young quarterbacks in this league now, some really special ones.

Trevor Lawrence, Herbert, Burrow, Jalen Hertz, has a member. merged, Mahalms. Of all the young ones you've sampled, what do you see out there? Is there some, like Jalen Hurts to me, I've said it before, I never saw him being this dominant. Yeah. I didn't think he was a great thrower in college, a hard worker, kind of an aspirational personality. I think he got a really good O-line, which certainly helped him to grow. Give me a rundown on a couple of them you've faced in your thoughts. Well, I think Jalen Hertz, like you said, I don't think any of us thought he would have the career he's had this far. I don't think any of us thought he was a great

thrower coming out. But he's a winner at every level. And winning is a trait. Winning matters. He inspires the men around him. He won in college. Obviously, you saw the national championship game. Goes Oklahoma. What he do win a Heisman? Goes to sit the bench behind Carson Wentz, wins that job, and then wins over the Philly fan base. And it's hard to win over Philly. And he's done that. Great offense line, but Carson Wins had a great

offense line, too. And I think that he's, he does what they're asking to do, and he gets the best out of his receiver. versus getting AJ and Devante, they played a really high level. I like Joe Burrow, man. Joe Burrow has this Brady-esque feel about him where he has just ultimate quiet confidence and poise. You know, you don't know. It's kind of like everyone's going to show you how hard they're working,

but Joe Burrow doesn't show you how hard he's working. You know he's in a facility, but you don't know how many hours because he doesn't tell you. He's truly working behind the scenes because he has that true confidence about him. Interconfidence. Right. He's not doing it for likes and followers. And then Pat Mahomes just has that innate ability.

obviously to win. And he's at new age, Aaron Rogers, and where he's just, but he's winning at a high, high level on him and Andy Reid. I mean, there's just a great combination of play calling and quarterbacking and thinking the same. One of the things that's interesting that you noted during the break is the Eagles, Cowboys, and Giants, Washington last year had a little easier schedules. The Eagle's schedule this year is a gauntlet. The Giants may be the hardest in the league. Travel. So, you think perhaps is that division, although Philly's still loaded, pulls back a little? What do you make of the Giants, for instance?

Yeah, I think the Giants got to figure out their Seekwon situation because he is 100% the best player on that team and needed on that team to have success. I just don't think they work without Sequin, without that threat in the backfield, and even as a receiver and the loaded boxes that they see and the play action passer with Daniel Jones is a great play action passers because of the tension that Saquan draws. So it's like the Tennessee Titans not having Derek Henry. It doesn't work the same for Tannahill in the group. So I can see that. I think the schedule is they're going to have a harder schedule this year. Obviously,

they were better last year. They'll face tougher opponents, bigger primetime games. So it'll be tougher on that division as a whole. I think Dallas is good. Dallas, I think, hasn't gotten worse, right? I think the Eagles haven't gotten any worse. And the Giants are. trying to load up as well. So that's three teams. And in Washington, I think they drafted well. So we'll see what their quarterback situation looks like. But I can see even when your division is better, then you're beating up on each other.

So I can see that division as a whole going through it a little bit. We talk about the NBA draft where kids come into the league at 18, 19, 20. A lot of them are just overwhelmed. None of them are emotionally and physically combined ready to play. European guys are a bit more mature because they play against men. But even Wembe, it's a lot. You go to a new country, you're the star. NFL guys come out with three or four years of college.

So you generally get somebody, at least emotionally, a little more stable. Often guys come in married, you know, like relationship-wise. How long, in the NBA, because they come in so early, it's harder to draft, I think. In the NFL, I got three, four years of tape. Like, I can see what you can do and what you can't do. Yet, half the league is undrafted. How long for you in your NFL career? and maybe you can give me good examples.

How many practices where you looked at a rookie and went, wow, or that ain't going to work in this league? Yeah. I mean, I knew, I remember A.J. Brown is a guy. I remember A.J. Brown coming in, and he was already built. Big. And I just remember how he caught the ball with his hands. And I was like, he's the best catcher on our team day one, like of physically catching the ball, just, just, You know how AJ Brown catches the ball.

He snags the ball. He doesn't body catch the ball ever. You see him snagged the ball. He tracks the ball over his shoulder. He was doing that day one. And I remember we were on him a lot. We had a veteran secondary, me, Kevin Byard, Malcolm Butler, Dory Jackson there in Tennessee.

And we would come at him and practice and stuff because he knew he was good type thing. So we were kind of on him a lot. But he already had that in him. And it was like, all right, just a matter of time for this guy. Like he walked in, was walking ready. Other guys, I think the NFL season, there's every individual play. is faced with so much adversity individually as a team, training camp. You might roll your ankle day two.

Now you're out there with a sprained ankle for two weeks of training camp. You're hitting the preseason games. And then you go right into the regular season. It's a double college schedule, what you're used to. So guys break down and how they handle that is truly midway through their rookie year, how they kind of handle that last half of the season. This guy's going to be special because their routine stays the same. They're still going into lifts.

They're still lifting weight. They're not skipping everything. They're not in the training room 90% of the time. So how they handle those little nicks and bruises is really going to see what type of pro they are, because you need every professional athlete needs to have that structure and that discipline of a routine. So they can maintain their routine. I know they'll be pretty successful. So, you know, we were talking about this earlier, is that it's 55 men in your locker room scout team, even the coaches.

There's a lot of alpha. And by the way, I want my players to be confident. Right. Not delusional, but if you're close, I'm okay with it, especially corner. Oh, yeah. You've got to be a short memory, bro. You're going to get burned. Like wide receiver.

You've got to believe you can beat your guy. So there are positions receiver corner like I'm okay with a little delusion. But we talked about the Stefan Diggs drama in Buffalo. So I went back and I looked at Des Bryant, who I thought was a bit disruptive. I didn't count OBJ. I don't think he's disruptive. I thought he was great in Cleveland, great with the Rams, great in college, fine with New York early. New York gobbled him up for a few hours.

It's okay. But I looked at Antonio Brown. Des Bryant and Stefan. Kind of disruptive. In all cases, four total seasons, three guys. They were easily the most targeted receiver, like not close. I mean, Antonio Brown had like 330 targets. And yet all three receivers like, you're not getting me the ball.

In all your year and my takeaway is I've worked with people, you feed, you feed, you feed. Lo and they're just not happening. And I look at Stefan and I'm like, bro, Minnesota Buffalo, you're getting a lot of look. all your years, a decade in the league, are there players that are just really hard to coach? And I don't know if it's high maintenance, but you tell me, if every locker room you've been in, have there been a couple of guys that sometimes you just roll your eyes and go,

this guy's hard? Yeah. I think there has. I mean, I've been, like you said, these, you know, playing for Belichick and some of these, you know,

Rabel's very similar, they kind of rid that, you know, they kind of, they kind of, kind of police that as a head coach because if you don't police it, you police it as a player, right? But if your head coach isn't doing anything about it, now there's, now there's separation of classes because, like, he's getting coached differently than the rest of us.

So I haven't seen too much of that, but I do know that to be a number one, to be a number one corner, a number one left tackle, a number one receiver, there is some delusion you need to feel like you're that guy and you're him, right? That's the way everyone says nowadays. I'm him, I'm him. But you also got to know your role on the team, and you have to be a good teammate first because the end of the day, to win a Super Bowl, to win a championship, it's filled of great teammates. And I think, like, the Kansas City Chiefs, right, I don't know if they had a number one. Travis Kelsey's their number one.

Yeah. But I think he celebrates, watch how he celebrates when other people score. You know, I think he's happy for other people's success. So Stefan Days can want the ball as much as he wants, but is he happy when other guys get the ball? I think he is. I think someone could be overplayed. I don't know the actual details.

I'm not going to speak on the details of the nuance or the drama. but as long as understood, that's him and he's going to be him, and Josh Allen's okay with that, and they can handle it internally, then let them handle it internally because it is a long season. There will be some bumps and scuffles and budding heads of brothers, of teammates. And I think as long as they all want the common goal of winning, then that's all that matters. That needs to be the common goal.

If it's about individual success and not, if it's about targets and receptions and not about winning, then, you know, there's a problem. But if you're frustrated from losing, then you've got to be productive and how you change that. Do you have a teammate in your 10 years that you were closest to? Maybe it was just a great teammate, a good friend, but, you know, it's like I was reading a story about actors recently, and an actor said, you know, you're acting in a movie, it could be a love interest or a best friend, and you're really into the character. And you're on a set for nine months.

And then the movie ends, and you're like, oh, we're not really friends. And the actor said, it's screwed with my head for years. I'm like, we were so close. And it's sort of the same way in sports. You get traded. You get moved. Do you have a teammate today that is a brother for life, that is a friend for life, that's somebody that's just an ally that you've connected with? There's a few.

I would say the McCordy twins and all that because they're Rutgers connection. I play with Devin and them, and I've known them since I was, what? I've known them since I was 17, 18 years old recruiting to Rutgers. Right. So they're like a big brother figure. But I would say in this league, a friend that I didn't know before I got in a teammate, would be Kevin Byard. I think in Tennessee, me and him really, like, would sit there and talk, like,

man, I want fans to pack these stadiums. I want us to be great. Like, we have Derek, a young Derek head. We have so-and-so. We have this guy. Like, we can be really good. And we worked really hard and saw the success of the Titans kind of skyrocket out of nowhere.

You would almost say the Tennessee Titans as a franchise. They're a number one seen in AFC, AFC championship. Kevin Byrd's having Hall of Fame type numbers year and year out getting overlooked. And we would just talk and work behind the scenes. scenes. And that's a guy that from this day, we probably talk every other day to, you know, weekly, where we have multiple kids, we have wives, we're traveling, we're busy, but we always stay in touch. I've played on two separate teams since Tennessee, and he's still there and we still talk. So I think that's a friend that I made in this league because of our similar competitive

attitudes and how we go about our work as professionals. We appreciate each other's work. Obviously, we were teammates, and we just continue to push each other. Logan Ryan, you could do this, you know. You should be into this space. This space is good. You never get hit. Yeah, exactly. Ever. No two days? We don't even do one of days.

I appreciate, you know, just chatting it up with you and learning from the greats like you. And we'll see you one day. Great seeing you again. Nice seeing you too. All right. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeard Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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This is the herd line news. If you didn't ask him any Jets questions, we'll over with the Jets. Let's go with Aaron Rogers. You know, Dalvin Cook's still on the market. Aaron Rogers, you know, maybe starts lobbying for Cook as some reporters have linked New York to Dalvin Cook. Jets tight end, Tyler Conklin, is ready to welcome his former teammate with open arms. There's plenty of room. We got room for whoever wants to come help us win a Super Bowl.

But me and Delvin were like basically locker mates. So my first couple of years, and he was an awesome guy. I reached out to him, so I was just curious, like, how the room was true? You know, is this actually possible? And, I mean, that would be a special backfield with, you know, Brice and Delvin and the rookie and whatnot. So Mike Carter, I don't know. That would be, there's a lot of running backs, but I think that it would be special,

especially in this outside zone scheme. They don't need Delvin Cook. They have Breece Hall. Well, let's see how he comes back from the injury. Yeah. Brice Hall, Carter. I like it, by the way. Carter's not a bad backup.

No, he's not. Third round guy out of Carolina, right? He's a good player, isn't he? He's solid. Solid. A solid backup. I just, if you're all in with Aaron Rogers, why not just add Dalvin Cook? If you got the cap room,

just go sign him. What's the problem? If I was the Jets, my concern would be that O line over everything. I like your corners. I like your defront. I like... So save the cap room for a swing tackle,

a swing guard. I mean, you got... You got, what's that guy, Dalton Riser for the interior offensive linemen's out there? I think the name's right. It's a really good guard, bit in the league. He's sitting around. He's got some veterans. Elijah Vera Tucker's a really good guard.

What happens up the other one? You have a very young center. You have an issue with guard. You know, Aaron Rogers, veteran quarterback. You know what they don't like? Pressure at their feet. So you have a rookie center. Elijah Verit Tucker is excellent.

You have another injury. I'd keep that powder fresh for, Interior-old line line line. Well, the big question is left tackle. Dwayne Brown's, I think, 37. It seems like they're going to push Mackay Beckton to right tackle, which also would help financially if he wants, you know, he's getting up there in his contract, his rookie deals ending.

Dwayne Brown's still solid, isn't he? Who? Dwayne Brown's still solid. Again, he's like 37 years old. Can he give you a full season? Probably not. 14 starts? During the buy week, give him another week if you're on a roll,

give him a two-week break in the middle of the season. It seems to me to me he's pretty good. he's like Whitworth. He's just built different. He's just big. Optimistic Tuesday in Calvertport. Like, well, I... Dwayne Brown, get 14 starts.

I'll take him. Sign me up for that right now. Well, last time I saw Dwayne Brown play, I mean, he's a very capable older left tackle. Whitworth played the 40. Now, Whitworth's going to go into the Hall of Fame.

But it's like, Dwayne Brown's really good. He's just older. Oh, okay. Like Chris Paul to the Warriors. Very good. Steve, give me a break. All right. Over to the NBA.

Interesting. So the Lakers in free agency obviously want to keep Austin Reeves. A lot of people are going to make offers to him. He is a, I know you're a little down on Austin. He can play any position. He's a combo guy. He's Malcolm Brogden. Oh, stop it. What is he? Malcolm Brogden was not the third best player on the Celtics in the playoffs. Austin Reeves was the third best on the Lakers. Yeah, but the Celtics are better than the Lakers. So the third best player in the Lakers is probably the fourth best player on the Celtics. If you asked your buddy Bill Simmons, would you either have Austin Reeves or Malcolm Brogden, We could bet on it right now. I guarantee you he'd say Austin Reeves. He's younger.

I don't know. I don't read Simmons' stuff. He's younger. So I think I like Austin Reeves, but you've elevated him to some superclass. I mean, he's. Okay, anyway, Mark Stein, a reporter formerly of ESPN, said the Lakers are a lock to match any offer on Reeves to the maximum allowable offer sheet, which would be four years, $102 million. Here's where I'll defend the Lakers. sort of like Dak Prescott.

Dak Prescott started for years as a fourth round pick. So the Cowboys never paid him. And they won all these games. The Lakers haven't paid Austin Reeves anything. So they basically have gotten great production and paid him a nickel. Well, let's remember. Austin Reeves, the undrafted guy, is very valuable as your third best player. Now you're paying him $25 million.

It's a different story. Like you... Yes. You don't have a choice of being that you have to be the... third best player. You can't have screw-ups and like, I like, I think, I think LeBron likes playing with him. I think he's kind of a tough, a lot of college experience. I think he, I think they like him. He's got that dog in him. Yeah, I don't, you know, I'm not going to say he is or isn't worth blank, blank, blank, but he's been free for several years for the Lakers. So at some point,

you got to pay the bills and it's like, it's due. I know you love this game. Who's the Warriors, third best player? You said Wiggins is two, right? Well, no, I think Steph's their best player. Draymond's their second most important player. Wiggins is their second most talented player, Chris Paul's four. So where's Clay? Would you rather have Austin Reeves or Clay Thompson right now, given age and salary and everything? Well, Clay Thompson led the NBA in three-point makes. That's not an answer, Colin. Well, I'd rather having a big series Clay Thompson. He led the NBA and threes. Now, he had, he was really disappointing in the postseason. That's to put it mildly. Yeah, he was bad.

Well, listen, it happens. I mean, some hosts have bad shows. I'm not one of them, but I've heard that the possibility. Lakers absolutely cannot lose Austin News. Let's just put that out there. No, no, no, that's a different conversation. Yeah. Absolutely can't lose it. Yeah, that's a different one. Now, listen, this third story, this is right in your wheelhouse. This is all you. We're going to talk baseball. The Mets continue to underperform. Cowherd, I know you love digging in on New York teams. When the Jets are tanking, you will laugh.

That's not true. So the Mets have the highest payroll in MLB history. History. $345 million, but are in fourth place in the NL East. And eight games under 500, they are fading fast. In fact,

the Mets haven't won a series this month. Last night's starter, Justin Verlander, on the Mets woes. I don't think anybody saw this coming, man. I, you know, disappointing. It's disappointing for everybody in this room. I know. It's disappointing for the fans. Just got to just keep trying, you know. If there's one thing that I know the guys in this room are doing is trying our ass off. You know, there's, you know, every day we come to the park. Myself, it's trying to get better and figure out what's off. And I know that, I know that I know,

know that most of the guys in this room are the same way. And, you know, hopefully it clicks for everybody. But, you know, we got to get going. The Mets tried to buy wins. I said this yesterday. What they bought was relevance. They're very relevant and pressure. So Scherzer, Verlander, or older players.

You didn't buy them for April, May, June, Jill. You bought them for September, October. You got to get there first. The problem is, this team's hitting in the 2.30s. They can't hit. hit and, you know, very little power, so they don't have a lot of room for mistakes. If the pitching's not good. And I don't sit around and watch MET games, but I've been fascinated.

I think they're right now the most fascinating team in baseball because they're the only really talented team that stinks. And they don't do anything terribly well, but they can't hit. And so when you can't hit, your margin for errors tiny. And Verlander and Scher weren't, you didn't purchase them for April and May and June. You got them for the end of the season. They're old guys. Does this feel a little like the Lakers struggling with Westbrook and a lot of people were bagging on the Lakers?

Oh, they're going to miss a playoffs or a disaster. They should have done this. The Mets won't be this bad all season. They won't be. I don't want to put you on the spot. Do you think this team makes the postseason? Well, the Braves are going to win the division because the Braves are a well-oiled machine. So can they be a wild card team?

Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, the crazy thing is over in the American League where the Rays, the Guardians, the Twas, we're supposed to be good. Ray's, Guardians, twins, Orioles. That's like weird.

Well, National League, the Reds are a shock. Young. When you're like the Reds and you're bad for years, you get a lot of picks. You know, you get really high-end players, and if they get to the major leagues in a few years, you can surprise people. Is it weird when you say the Guardians,

I instantly think of the movies Franchoic of the Galaxy? Yeah, I'm the same one. And I'm like, I don't, how many have they been? Have I seen that with my kids? And you say the Reds, and I'm like, oh, yeah, they have that rookie. But then I start thinking like, wait, why aren't we talking about John Collins going to the Utah Jazz?

I don't know. Baseball is not my domain of expertise at this point. So I need to brush up. But congrats to you. I think what the Mets are right now is fascinating because they bought relevance. They thought they bought wins. And they're melting. And the New York media makes it a thousand times tougher because New York loves baseball.

That's fun for you. I think it's a good story. I think meltdowns in all sports are fascinated. J-MAC with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurt line news. The Mets are hitting what?

230-something? 239. There you go. That's not good. The good news is baseball games are faster than ever, so if you're watching the Mets lose, at least it doesn't burn three and a half hours out of your day. Games over in 238.

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Owners generally, before the All-Star break, don't need to literally hold press conferences. Everybody wants Steve Cohen to get rid of people and trade people. And Steve Cohen's like, that's not how I do business. I'm not going to work in chaos. This team was built. If you go look at the pitching acquisition, they were built for later, Buck later, Verlander, Scherzer. They're struggling now, but it's not like they don't have talent.

But don't you think, and you've been in this field a lot, Colin, when something comes out about you and people are writing about you or talking about you on the internet, the best move is to just ignore it. Forget it. Who cares? Somebody will move on in a couple hours or a day to the next thing. Can that happen with New York baseball? That's different. So it's not because the Mets have beat writers and beat reporters.

So whereas on the internet, if I get dragged, people move on to the next crazy, wacko celebrity saying something stupid. You know, there's just a zillion people out there seeking that. But the Mets have nine beat reporters. Another four national have now descended on the team because they're melting. Because the Mets are now fascinating. So those people aren't going away. There isn't not another team they're going to cover.

And they have to face the media every night. Huge readership in the post, in the daily news, in the times. So it's different. Like, I think about this all the time. If I owned a team, what kind of owner would I be? And I would be very private. I wouldn't talk, believe it or not, I wouldn't talk much to the press. I wouldn't old press conferences.

I would be very Stan Cronkey. I would buy the team. I would monitor stuff. I would go to my coach. I'd go to less need. I'd go to McVeigh and say, hey, they're saying this, explain this to me. But I think Cronkey's perfect. He got, for years, got criticized.

Stan basically is there for the big decisions. He trusts his people. He monitors situations. I mean, I met Stan a couple of times. I remember last time I met him, he watches, he gets clips of our show, he gets clips of other shows, clips of the LA Times. He is fully aware of what is happening with the ability to say no or yes, but by and large, hires good people and lets them run the company.

I think that's what Steve Cohen does. But because the New York baseball media is hyper aggressive, talk radio is influential, there's this sense that he's got to do something. I don't think he does. I think this team will figure it out. Bucksaw-Walter's a smart veteran manager, but it is a fascinating story because baseball has great players and great history. What it doesn't do a good job of is compelling regular season stories.

The reds are red hot. That's a good story. The A's are selling. Ooh, that's an interesting story. The Mets are melting. So it becomes the story. Like in the NBA, there's always like seven parallel stories that are fascinating.

NFL, every week there's eight new stories. Baseball doesn't deliver a lot of that. So when you become the A's, the whole world descends on the A's. When you became like Steinbrenner Billy Martin Yankees, the world descended on the Yankees because the season's so long. So the Mets now are fascinating in their despair. So I brought this up because, as we talked about earlier with the Jets, they open with the Bills and the Cowboys.

I said those are wins. Those could easily be losses. Those are going to be close games. And you know what's going to happen. Primetime games. Media descends. Aaron Rogers going to lead this show all week. And then it becomes, what does Woody Johnson do?

Do they fire us all on mid-season? You know, like, stuff can snowball in New York. And like you said, it doesn't really happen in Cincinnati. And I think Steve Cohen's a brilliant guy, but I've seen owners overreact to WFAN Radio. See you tomorrow. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman.

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