The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - Stacey King shares untold stories of Michael Jordan

Episode Date: April 10, 2026

In this hour of The Herd, Colin welcomes in Chicago Bulls analyst Stacey King to discuss the rearrangement of the Bulls' front office, how to get back to the Michael Jordan glory days, an upcoming potential NBA draft pick that could immediately help out the Bulls, and much more! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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former Chicago Bull, three rings. Amazing. You know, so much in pro sports is where you land. Can you, I mean, can you imagine you, you, you retire from the league,

your grandkids, what, what team did you play for? Oh, the greatest North American sports team, arguably ever. Here's, here's some Stacey King TV. calls over the years to the Chicago Bulls. With a defense.

Roosso. Guter sets up a screen. Gitty races to the basket. I'm coming again. It's the big one, Elizabeth. The Cogniac Bulls. With that, Stacey King is now joining us live. He is very excitable. There's no question about it.

Played with Pip and Jordan now doing the Bulls game. So I have been, I'm a bull season ticket holder. And I can't. Oh, wow. I didn't know that. Yep. So when I moved from L.A. to Chicago, I said to my wife, I'm like, you know what, man, it's, we got a place downtown. We got a place in Burbs. I'm like, it's a 30-minute drive. And I want to get into the vibe of Chicago. I want to invite friends. So we bought tickets.

And I would go to the games, but it was one of those things where I was kind of watching the Celtics or the Lakers. I wasn't watching the Bulls. And my takeaway in the Bulls is I always like Billy Donovan. He's won everywhere, college or pro when he has good players. but I could never figure out their plan. And I've said this on the air for years, Stacey. If I'm watching a football game, if you're a good coach, I can tell what you're trying to do. I can see your game plan.

And I've always felt that with Sam Presti or Brad Stevens. So they get rid of the GM and the basketball ops guy. Let's get to the roster. Because the Bulls are rarely terrible. They're 15, 16th, it just feels like they're, How many players away are they from being a top five or six or 70? Maybe not OKC, but how many players away are they? Well, I mean, honestly, you got a good start with Modis Buzelvis,

who's turning out to be a very good player. Josh Giddy is a triple double waiting to happen. So those are the two pillars that you have in the organization right now. And I think where the Bulls need to go is build around those guys. You need a good defensive two-guard, a two-way player. need a big, a rim protector. And you need guys that can help Josh Giddy make shots. Josh Giddy is a past first point guard.

If you watched him play Con, I know you have. He's a distributor. He fans the ball out to everybody. But if he doesn't have the people around him that can make shots, and then you know this league, you have to have three-point shooters. You have to have guys that can make shots, and especially the way Billy Donovan wants to play basketball. They're one of the highest-paced teams in the NBA.

But the wins are not there to show that. But if you get the right pieces around, You look at Detroit, just a couple of years ago, they lost like 28 games in a row. And people were just like, you know, writing them off. They're terrible. They're horrible. And then all of a sudden, the next year, they're a top five team. And then this year, they're the number one team in the East.

So it can be done. You have to draft well. And you have to get the really good quality free agents to help your culture. I've said this. Take out the COVID years. Chicago's led the NBA in attendance seemingly forever. I'm new to the city. But why do you think this city is so.

loyal to basketball? Is it still the remnants of Jordan? I mean, they just, every time I go to a bull's game, it's packed, it doesn't matter who it is, it's packed. What is it about this? Generally, in every other city in America, I mean, even when the Yankees stunk in the 80s, nobody went. You know, Yankee Stadium had lots of people not going. What is it about Chicago and the NBA? Well, of course, you know, the Jordan years, the sixth championship years, really established, you know, this franchise. And, you know, Michael, coming back to second, time around that got everybody abuzz. This is a great sport city. I mean, they support the Bears,

the Cubs, the White Sox, the soccer team, the fire, the Black Hawks. All these organizations have gone through situations where they haven't won. Their fan support is still there. We got some of the best fans in the NBA. I mean, we sell out every single game, no matter what's on

the floor. And I think, you know, just after all these firings that, you know, when Michael Ryder came out and you kind of cleaned house a little bit, I think he started understanding how important the fan base is because they deserve a winner. They deserve, even though there's six banners that hang in the United Center, those are not Christmas ornaments. Those are real things that guys blade pride, they fought for. And the guys before us who came in, the artist Gilmore's,

you know, the Chet Walkers, you know, the Jerry Sloans, those guys who came in here and paved the way for us, you know, they've got to put a winning product on the floor to give these fans some to cheer for because they've been so loyal to this organization. I mean, we travel. We're one of the best teams on the road. We're not even a winning team right now. We travel deep on the road. And even overseas. So, you know, we've got to find a way here to get the product better. It's going to take some time. And now I think we understand what direction we need to go. I think before we had one foot in, should we tank? Should we not tank? And the other side over here, well, let's rebuild. And I think they had a good idea. I think he had a good idea of what he wanted

to do, it just didn't formulate the way it wanted to. So last year's draft, I mean, it's Dylan Harper, Cooper Flag, Connipple. So I have this theory, Stacey, that the NIL kind of saved college basketball. NIL, Illinois can go and go buy four euros. So we're buying 15 to 20 European players minimum a year that used to just stay in Spain or stay in wherever. They come and play. And because European kids play against older players, they come into our sport, then they're highly skilled.

And then because of NIL, you get guys like Yaxel, Lenoborg at Michigan, or Zach Edy the year before. They stay in college a year longer. So college basketball is older, stronger, and when the guys get to the NBA, they're more ready to play. You're seeing guys walking in now that are ready to give you 18 points a night. I didn't think con canipal would be this good this fast. I thought Cooper was great. I didn't think it'd be this good. So my take, because of that, Stacey, is draft picks for a while when it was a one-and-done league.

I mean, people were giving up nine picks for Rudy Gobert. Okay. Now, I believe the last two to three years, it's back to your era. Draft picks matter a lot. Who could the Bulls maybe get? is there somebody they could get that you think could be an impact? You watch enough college basketball. You were an all-time great.

You've watched all these college players. Is there anybody, I don't mean to put you on the hot seat, but is there anything you see? I mean, Yaxel Lindenborg. There's a guy that's six, nine runs the floor. What kind of guy immediately do you see? Well, it all depends on where they draft. If they get lucky like they did when they got Derek Rose,

when they had like the lowest chance possible to get him, and they ended up getting them, you know, I would say the star powers in those top five guys, but I think the Bulls have to be realistic. What if we don't get in the top four drafts and we can't get any? I think DeBanz is the real deal. Like his motor, he competes every night. I think, you know, Cam Boozer is a guy that's going to give you 15 years.

He's going to be a double, double guy. He's going to help you win. He may not look sexy doing it, but he's going to be part of a winning team with a winning attitude. When you look at Peterson, Peterson has that super, up that talent that you just, it oozes with talent, but you're a little afraid of him because if you were, you know, he was low managing at 18

years old at the college level. And you get to the pros where you're playing 82 games, you're playing four games in five nights and you're going up against killers at your position every night. You have to show up and be ready to play. So he scares me a little bit, but the talent is undeniable.

But when you watch him in Michigan, like he reminds you of Draymond Green with offense. Like he can actually, he can actually, he can actually control the tempo of the game. He can move the basketball. He plays defense. He rebounds. And he was on a bum ankle in that championship game. And he made a huge impact down the stretch that allowed Michigan to win that championship.

But this is probably one of the deepest drafts that's been around for a long time. These last two drafts, the Cooper Flagdraft draft, if anybody was supposedly going to a tank, these were the two drafts that you really want to do it. But, Colin, it's gotten so big now that NIL is in high school. you're seeing kids 7th, 8th grade or 610, 611 look like Janice running around, Duncan. Wimby's got a brother coming up, I think, in a year or so that's 16. It looks like him and plays like him at 6'10. So there is abundance of talent coming up in the next few years for the NBA.

Let's talk tanking. You know, it was PJ Carlissimo came on yesterday and he goes, these billionaires are worth $60 billion. You think fining Ryan Smith 500 grand? He doesn't care. if he can get the kid out of BYU, that's a $100 million pick. I mean, that could change the valuation of the jazz

from $3 billion to $3.5 billion. Is there a way that, I mean, there's always been a little tanking. I think it's so bad this year because the draft's so good. I don't think it'll be this bad next year. Is there a solve to it? Yeah, I do.

I said, I came up with a plan on my podcast where I said, you know, don't even do the end-season tournament anymore. Just go ahead and play out to regular season. At the end of the year, the worst teams in the league, based off of records, that's the seeding that they play. And they would play it, they would play it into the season tournament. The last, say, 15, 20 games in the season, maybe less.

You have already designed it. But the teams that are going to be in the lottery, they, from that point on, from the last 20 games, the team with the best record gets the number one seed, second best team, boom, boom, Boom, boom. And you make teams earn the right to get the number one pick. So if Washington wants the number one pick, they got to play their players all season long to be in position to have the record to be getting to that position. And then you put these teams in that end of the season, the last 15 games of the season.

You know, it gives their fan base something to get excited about. It gives them something to really, if they want AJ DeBanza, you got to go earn them. You got to go get them. If you want Cam Boozer, you better finish in that time. top three or top four. And it makes it very competitive. And it keeps the integrity of the game, I think, in check. And I think that's probably about the fairest way you can do it. I would like to see it do it that way because you have to earn the number of pick instead of going to the ping pong balls and all that other stuff. Make those teams, if you know ahead of time, you have to know who's

going to be in that situation. Like you just put up the screen. Those teams right there are the last 20 games in the season. Best team in the last 20. And then here's the thing, Colin. It doesn't matter if you got to play Denver, you got to play the best teams during that point. It doesn't matter. You got to get out there and earn it. That's great. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific

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Okay, I saw this. NBA players can be a little petty. So the Athletic did a player poll on MVP. Wemby was fifth. And I'm like, they don't want to give it to Wemby because they know they're going to have to, he's going to win eight of them. That's what it feels like. So I don't have a, I would vote for Wemby because of his influence, but, I don't have a problem if SGA wins it.

I was not a big Luca fan. I don't think he gives you enough effort on the defensive side. It drives me crazy. If you had to vote MVP and you see these guys every night, who do you is, now the words valuable. Who's the most valuable player in this league? Well, I mean, Yokic, Wimby, and SGA are the top three. But if you took Wemby off that team,

the Spurs are back to being a lottery team. They'll win some games, but I still think they'd be a lot of it. lottery team. You take Yokic off of Denver. They're close to being a lot of team. They win, they win some games. You still got Murray. You know, you still got Aaron Gordon. They would win games. They might be a fringe team. They have to play into playing or something. But if you take SG off it as great as he is, and I respect his game completely. But you take him off that team, they're still going to be a playoff team. They may not be a number one seed because they're so deep and they're so talented that, you know, you got Williams there. I mean, you got Chet there. You've got

so many guys. You know, Casey Walls. is an underrated player, in my opinion. He would go somewhere else and be a star somewhere else. But he plays a great role in Oklahoma City. But I think Oklahoma City would still be a top six team, even without shade being there. Yeah. Well, that shows you the other two are so valuable to their franchises

that if you took them off, you know, one maybe not make the playoffs because, you know, San Antonio's young, Dylan Harper. All those guys are still young. And in Oklahoma City, I mean, Denver, you still have some veteran players that would keep you up. and keep you leasing the playoff hunt. But you take Wimby off the Spurs.

I don't know if they make the playoffs. Yeah. You know, all the years you were with the Bulls. I mean, it just, you played for the greatest North America, arguably the greatest North American sports team of all time. I remember going covering a series. I think it was against Orlando, and Jordan had his own locker room.

He had so many media people. He had his own locker room. the um i mean i i i i'm sure it was like the craziest thing in the world to you know play with a jordan and a scotty pippin the um when you watch the last dance when you were watching that stuff and i for me it was so much behind the scenes footage was there anything in the last dance you watched and that made you laugh or made you cringe and you're like oh my god it wasn't as much fun as everybody you know i mean because it's easy when you're on top of the world you're you think it's all great.

But you tell me as when you watch last dance, how did you reflect? Well, I thought it was pretty accurate because, you know, we were in the first dance, the first three. So, and Michael was in, Michael was at his highest at that point. You know, he was just, you know, winning championship. So he was at his highest level. He came back from baseball. And he was still Michael Jordan. But he wasn't the same, like, as far as like he started pulsing up more, he started shooting.

more mid-range shots and taking more threes in the first. And he didn't dunk as much. If you go back to remember, he still dunked, but he wasn't dunking like he was doing it at first three. Right. The thing I took away from it is that, you know, you know, Scotty, kind of got a bad rap in that per se.

You know, I think all our teammates have all agreed on that. Yeah. His frail in that was a little bit too harsh. Yeah. Because you take Scotty pipping off that team. I don't care what anybody says. We don't win. win six championships. We just don't. We might win a couple. We might win a couple. But with Michael,

as great as he was, he needed Scotty and Scottie needed Michael. And so they both are hand in hand, salt and pepper, you know, peanut butter and jelly. You had to have both. One without the other, is just not as good. Yeah. You know, you can always brag that you were on the really good three-peat team. Yeah. It was like rock stars, Colin. I mean, it's funny, when I go into a city with this, with this current Bulls team. You know, they may have like, you know, 10 people out there asking for autographs or sign cards and stuff, you know.

We come into like Utah and there'd be like 800, 900 people waiting for you to come in and two in the morning, you know, and that was back when you didn't travel with security. These guys got, you know, they got, you know, security with them now. We didn't have security. Like, we walked in a hotel. People, you know, back then, you didn't have to stay in a hotel. You could actually go into the lobby and wait for us to come in.

And you come in there. It's like you won a championship or something. I mean, it's like game 30, and there's so many people in there. I mean, I've seen a lady at Madison Square Garden we're trying to get out to get to the next city, and a lady lays in the front of the bus just to get Michael to take a picture. And she refused to get up off the ground. She said, you could run me over unless I get a picture with Michael.

And it feels like, Michael, come out and get this lady of pictures when we get out of here. You know, so, so, AJ went out to give a picture. I see some crazy stuff, man. I should write a book, too, because you know how it is being an ex-player. You know, what goes on the locker is stuff? in locker room. But we all have great stories, but, you know, B&MJ

is a totally different, you know, totally different animal, man. I mean, these guys who are superstars now, they deserve all the attention they get. But when you went into a Bulls locker room, and you've been in there before, I mean, there's hundreds, hundreds of reporters from all over the country,

all over the world in there. You go in a Bulls locker room. Now, there might be like seven reporters. Yeah. No, it's just you're just part of something great. You're just part of something absolutely amazing. Stacey King. That's great seeing you.

We've got to talk more often. And by the next time I'm at the United Center, I'll stop by. Well, now that I know you're in Chicago, almost definitely. All right. Great seeing you, man. All right, buddy. Take it easy. All right.

Yeah, it's just... I can remember a moment when the Bulls were playing the Suns. I was on the couch watching to the friend. And I just turned to the friend. than it was in the finals. And I'm like, Michael's 6-6. He's not 6-10.

He's not the best ball handler. You know, he wasn't the strongest player, although pound-for-pound he was strong. And he wasn't the best shooter. He had a good mid-range game. But when you watch Jordan in his prime, the first three in the last three,

he wasn't quite, I mean, he was great in both. I mean, the first year back from baseball, they lost in the playoffs to Orlando. The first year back, he was still,

he was trying to transition from baseball shape to basketball shape, and they lost. that first year. But I can remember watching that series and telling the person I was next to, like, it looks so easy. And the gap between Jordan

and the second best player could have been Charles Barkley, could have been Akeem, whatever it was. It felt so large. And the only other time I've seen that is LeBron in his prime, where I felt like LeBron and his prime where he's chasing down people, fast break and swatting stuff off,

taking Matthew Delavadova and being competitive in the finals, I felt like the second best player, like, wasn't really close. I mean, I remember when LeBron went to Miami with D. Wade, Dway was the top five or six player in the league. And, you know, the keys to the city of Miami. It's about, and people were talking about it. But they were like four practices in.

And it was like, yeah, yeah, Dway is good. But, yeah, it's going to be, it's going to be LeBron's team. Those are the two players. I mean, as good as Magic was, Larry Bird. I mean, he had a finals that was so bad. They called him, you know, tragic Johnson. As good as Kobe was, was he ever the best player. in the league, maybe for a year or two.

I mean, the late Kobe Bryant, but when Jordan and LeBron were so great, I felt like there was a gap between that and the second best player. That's, I honestly think we're getting close to that. I think Wembe's going to have a run, it may only last five years, because right now Yokic is the best player in the league. If Wembe keeps refining his offensive game,

is he going to feel like for a four or five year period, like, man, who's two? Luca? SGA? John will give us herd line news after the break. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio,

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Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing. a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, Hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas,

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Kevin Durant had a big night against the Rockets, but I got a couple stats for you. This blew my mind. Kevin Durant has played in 77 games this year, so all these guys not playing. He's also has played the third most minutes in the association college. Isn't that crazy?

This has been, I know their team has kind of been weird, they're on an eight-game winning streak. Yeah. Isn't that pretty, if I would have told you, listed the top 10 guys, especially the older guys, you know, the Curry's, LeBron's. He, I don't know if I would add him near the top to play that many games, play that many minutes. One of the underrated stories in the league, they don't have a point guard because of injuries, so they have a men Thompson, who's a great athlete, Sang Goon's a very good score,

Durant's health this year. I mean, he's putting in huge minutes. And, you know, listen, Kevin's a baller. Kevin loves playing basketball. I mean, I always see, you'll see like off-season stuff and him working. out. That dude, the old saying is a gym rat. Like, that guy loves basketball. Yeah, I was telling one of our guys earlier that, you know, he'll be putting up 20 at 58 at the Y. You know, so it's like, he's going to play basketball as long as his body will allow. But he, listen, their team, like you says, a little weird. And I, you know, I hope for his sake, they win a series because, you know, he'll take a lot of criticism. He'll be firing back on Twitter. We know how that song and dance

goes. To the NFL, Colin, where the dolphins, Obviously in the full rebuild mode. Yeah. You know, you've gotten rid of Tira, Tyreek. They traded Jalen Waddle. And after Waddle was traded to Denver, Dolphin Center, Aaron Brewer, sat down with Taryn Armstead on his podcast,

and it kind of reflected what went through his head when the trade went down. My initial reaction is I'm just shocked. I'm sook. I'm like, what we're doing? But then my next thought right after that, like, okay, what we're going to do? What we've been doing that wire receivers room?

Who the next man? up. So like every time like something like that, I'm looking at the people we still got. When you see something like that, you got to put you got to put something on your shoulder. That's the extra chip. You see an opportunity. Anytime somebody going, Bradley Tub gone that defense is our linebacker. Opportunity. Sure. They receive a little. Hey, Malik, opportunity. Sure. And so that's what my mind said went with it. Listen, they have a fur, two firsts, a second, four thirds. That that's seven starters on that raw. I was texting a general manager three days ago, and I was, I was guessing, I was doing a

mock draft and I sent it to him. He said, with the dolphins, he said, he goes, they just need everything. Outside of running back and quarterback, they have immediate needs in every single unit. I am really interested in their draft. I love the Packer guys coming over, stable, good, good draft and development culture there. Also great draft and develop. I mean, Halfley's there, you know, it was a college coach. He's dealt with young kids. He's impressive.

He's a perfect fit because he's going to have, he's going to have, you know, where they got 10 picks, he's going to have a bunch of 23-year-olds. Well, that's what he was doing at Boston College. So those college guys come into the league, they're good in the, they're good in the draft development stage. They know it. And their GM Packer guy, I mean, they hang their hat on the draft. He worked there for 20 plus years.

I think the Jalen Waddle thing I don't think they would just would have given them away for a late second round pick Sean Payton, it'd be like someone knocked on my front door, I don't want to sell my house, but you offer triple what it's worth. He paid a lot. Sean Payton really wanted him and they gave him away

and they didn't give him away. I mean, they got a first round pick and a third round pick. Jalen Waddle's really good, but not an untradable player. This is the NFL. Most players, unless your name is Mahomes or Josh Allen, you never know. Yeah.

To the draft, Colin. We are a little under two weeks away. We have the list of the guys who will attend the draft. Obviously, Fernando Mendoza is not attending, but Ty Simpson is attending. My theory a little bit is you're in the TV business. Is this going for the story, you know, more than likely if you got picked, you'd probably go in the 20-some-and-trade up? There is a chance that he's just not drafted in the first round.

and it's one of those stories that kind of carries us. But I don't blame Ty. There's no guarantee, but it's a pretty unique opportunity in life. I mean, he's a one-year starter. You get invited to the draft. You go. Well, you know, if I had to guess if any of those guys, it'll be interesting to see where Keldrick Falk from Auburn goes.

He's, you know, the knock on him is he just doesn't make enough plays. He looks the part. He comes really close to making a lot of plays. Well, if you compared him as Shamar Stewart last year, year, the guy the Bengals took, who didn't have many, he went, I think, top 15. So those guys with the traits usually go somewhere in the top 20, 25 picks, right? Man, there's a lot Ohio State dudes. That's what I wanted to bring up to you. You know, when people push back on Fernando

Mendoza, they have three guys on defense that could go in the top tenet. Right. And obviously they have a ton of talent that is still there. Their NFL, that too Fernando Mendoza beat. In front of us in front of what, 30 million people? Remember watching that? I mean, that's pretty, and these aren't just good. Rees is a pretty elite prospect at 20 years old. Right? Sunny Stiles, how often do middle linebackers

Luke Keeckley or Roquan Smith? That's what it takes to go on the top ten. And Caleb Downs was a star for Nick Saban as a true freshman. Yeah, if a linebacker, I mean, you have to be, like when Quentin Nelson came out of Notre Dame, Interior O-Line Colts, to take an

forget he wasn't even a true center. He was a guard. To take a guard in your top 10 picture, like, oh, yeah, that's great. I mean, a lot of times, I mean, if you look at the draft this year, it's a lot of edge rushers. It's a lot of guys that don't have, like, you know, David Bailey, think about it.

David Bailey, doesn't defend the run very good. Ruben Bain measurement issues. Avril Reese, not a defined position. They're edge rushers. They're all going to go in the top eight. You know, back to Ty Simpson, one thing I was thinking earlier in the show when you were talking about him, if you could put true serum,

in De Boer's hands. You know, he took over Alabama. Jalen Milrow had just been in the playoffs with Sabin and had that kind of historic moment when he beat Auburn at the end of the game. If none of that carried over and he could just pick the best quarterback on his roster to start for his team,

would he have picked Ty Simpson? You know, it was a little out of his hands. Jalen Milrow was going to get to start, but that's not really his type quarterback. I don't know. That would interest me from a kind of a scouting perspective because he's only a one-year starter, but could he have been a two-year start?

starter. It was just the board didn't have the equity yet to make a big move. Yeah, you know, I know everybody's looking ahead the next year's draft, but what really is fascinating to me is two teams Miami and Vegas who aren't, you know, like Miami doesn't have any talent. Miami's got so many good picks. And then Las Vegas, I think Vegas is going to, what I'm fascinated with, they're going to get Fernando Mendoza, number one, who's not going to the draft, going to be with his family in Miami. Interesting to see the Raiders' second pick, because they have like the fifth pick in the second round. If Amar Cooper, the receiver from Indiana, isn't drafted in the first round.

Now, I think Amar Cooper's, I just talking yesterday somebody who loves him. He's got a lot of love in the coaching and scouting serbals. Mature, can do a little slot, sideline. I could see the Raiders moving up. giving away, they have three fourth round picks. I can see them moving up and saying, we're going to give you two fours for Cooper. Because if it's not a great draft,

but the time you get, Raiders have three fourth round picks. There's no guarantee a fourth round guy is anything more than a backup. No, there's no guarantee at all. If I can give you two fours, let me ask you, you have the first pick of the second round, and I have the fourth on the Raiders. I think it's the Jets. You're the Jets.

You're the Jets. I'm the Raiders. And I call and say, I'll give you two fours. if you move down five spots, would you? Well, me personally, by the time the fourth round comes, I start taking naps. But if I'm the Jets GM and pretty desperate, that's, it's kind of a sweet spot right there at 33 because you kind of control,

it's like the first overall pick on the second day. You can get some star players there. Fourth rounders, the draft's not as deep anymore with NIL, not as enticing as it used to be. The NIL thing, the amount of guys that go back that used to litter pick 50 to 150. You know, the draft's a little different than it used to be. It's not, listen, it's...

You can tell, John, you can tell by teams giving away a first and a third and a fifth for Jay Laudle. You can tell, they're telling you years ago, Rudy Gobert got nine picks. Nobody, even if they could, would give up nine picks. No. Unless it was like Aunt Edwards, you can tell, the GMs in the NBA are telling you,

the drafts are better. And the NFL GMs are telling you the drafts are worse. And part of it's because, you know, fewer kids are playing high school football. There's not as much depth. The NIL keeps guys in. But the NFL GMs are telling you that we're seeing teams now spend a lot of money in free agency and, you know, just give away good picks. That's a tell.

I agree. John Middlethoff with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Well, J-MAC is back next week. John, give us a 30-second thumbnail Masters update. Well, Freddie Couples hit it on the head yesterday.

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