The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - Super Bowl Champion Phil Simms stops by The Herd

Episode Date: October 9, 2025

Colin talks to 2-time Super Bowl Champion Phil Simms shares his insight on the Philadelphia Eagles’ offensive struggles, and why head coach Nick Sirianni is the one who needs to get them back on trackSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and then there's Matt Sims, he's working at the other place. But you know who I relate to is Phil Sims? Because now we're both at the age where we wake up and we go to the pill closet and the vitamin closet. And Phil Sims, host of Sims Complete on the Bleave Network, is joining us 15 years. We just talked about NAD, magnesium, and omega-3 pills during the break. And I've never felt better about my decisions.

You and I do the same life. I just golf a little more than you. I mean, we were talking like two old guys sitting there going, hey, I'll take this in the morning and that. And I'm going to just tell everybody out there, whatever I'm taking, it's working. Okay, because I feel good and I sleep great. There you go. Same thing. So 15 quarterbacks right now.

Right. have a hundred plus passer rating two years ago it was six now some of it Phil is because i think there's a lot more good offensive coaching there's a lot of sharp young guys out there and i also think um everybody plays zone so it's a little throw to a spot you you lived in a world where it was man-to-man coverage now it's zone and you just throw to a spot and a lot of these young guys are strong and throw to a spot but when you look at your era and this era of quarterback play Do you see a gap? I mean, does it feel easier today with some of the rule changes?

Well, I think, yeah, the first thing you say, throw it to a spot. Everybody's playing zone and they want to keep their eyes on the quarterback in the backfield to stop the big runs down the field. And if you play zone in the NFL against the quarterbacks that we're seeing out there now, you say 15, I would probably say more. They're going to pick you apart. And that's what defense is want. We're going to let you complete the passes, but we're going to run up, tackle you,

and you'll have to go with long drives, sustain a lot of plays to score. That's what you see. And these quarterbacks, they just keep getting better every year. And to answer your question, Colin, my era that I played in, I don't know what to say.

This whole group that plays now, they are remarkably different and better than what we put on the field, I think, most of the time. So I love watching the old films with you and Parcells, and it's just that confrontational stuff. It's funny. It writes itself, but Philadelphia right now is having an identity crisis.

They don't know what they are. Back with Parcells, did you guys even use the word identity? Or is that one of those words like narrative that everybody uses? Or did you just like, listen, every week was a different game plan? Or did Bill believe in, hey, this is what we are, this is what we're always going to be. We're not going to deviate because Philadelphia right now doesn't know what the they are. They're a run team and they can't figure it out. Again, go back to your six years, giant Super Bowls, dominant team was identity discussed? Never. Never. Never. I don't know.

You know, hell. You know, these player only meetings, I will say this, we did a couple of them. I hated them. I didn't pay attention. I'm like, please, get it over with. Let's get out of here. Because the guy that set the table, the guy that walked in there every day, Bill Parcells, that was the players meeting. Okay, whatever he said, we didn't have to have a players meeting because he was going to take care of it himself. And he knew when to do that. And so when I see the players doing it, then I go, okay, I believe it works for them if that's what it is. But I would prefer Nick Siriani getting in front of the team and going, hey, all right, enough of this.

Let's do this. We're going to move on. And if you don't want to be part of it, good. I'll get somebody else and let it go. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, gosh, Almighty. You've won so many games. What is it, 20 out of 21?

And here we are having players meetings and things like that. It's just Philadelphia. It's different, that's for sure. So there are quarterbacks and coaching relationships. You know, the creative gene of Andy Reed and Mahomes is such a good fit because Mahomes is a creative type. And then there are sometimes it just works. despite the fact that the coach and the quarterback may not see eye to eye. I think Big Ben and Tomlin, it just worked because Big Ben was so damn talented.

But I look at Shanahan. And outside of Trey Lance, I mean, Kyle Schaub was a pro boulder. He won with Brian Hoyer. Mack Jones was done. Mac Jones now is unbelievable. So when you look at Kyle Shanahan, what did I say, Ryan? What name did I screw up? Matt Schaub.

Matt Schaub, yes. When you look at Kyle Shanahan, he virtually takes every quarterback he's had. Garoppolo has disappeared since he left. What's the secret sauce? What do you think he does? The language he speaks, the touch, the feel he has. What is it with Kyle? Because I'd argue today, Phil, no coach is winning with less.

They have 60% of their starters. Their playmakers are all hurt. Yes. Hey, it comes down to this. You talk about Mac Jones. People ask me, hey, whatever, all this, how do he play? I said, yeah, Kyle Shanahan gave him the Mac Jones offense. That's what he did.

Who's my quarterback? I'm going to adapt to him and call and design plays that fit him. And everything they did in that game against the Los Angeles Rams, it was right out of the book. Hey, Mac Jones, especially, he's a big guy, can stand in there. He can get rid of the football quick. He's a good decision maker. Everything that's good for him, Kyle. Shanahan put into that game plan.

If it had been Brock Purdy playing that game, we'd have seen some rollouts, deeper drops, moving, and many more throws deep down the field probably. But that's the one thing about Kyle. You can go through all the quarterbacks that he's had and when they get a chance to play, basically they all play well.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. So I made this argument earlier that I'm okay. Many of our great quarterbacks have been a little reckless at times. Now Aaron Rogers was one of the first where you got the upside without the interceptions. But Namath and Elway and Peyton threw a lot of picks and Eli did. Yeah, I mean, but I mean Baker Mayfield has the most turnover worthy plays so far in the league, according to PFF. And my take is, well, that's Baker's style. He plays through his chest. He's a big emotion guy. I think if you try to change Baker, you lose who Baker is. What do you make of him as a

quarterback? Well, first off, they're not trying to change him down in Tampa Bay. I watch his games because I enjoy him because he is a fun watch. And let me tell you, he is an elite thrower of the football. He throws that damn thing exactly where he wants it to go. And his decision making is pretty good, but I like the fact that he's aggressive because he can be. I'll tell you a quick story that just personifies who Baker Mayfield is. Somebody asked Todd Bowles, how would you describe Baker Mayfield? And Todd Bowles took a quick second break and he goes, I would say, Baker, will you walk across the room there and stick your face in the fan? He would do it. And that's who he is. He's He says tough as hell, resilient, can really throw the football, and he's great for the team

because he doesn't eat up a lot of space about Baker, Baker, Baker, like some quarterbacks do with their teams. He's part of the group. The players love him. And Tampa Bay, whatever he's doing, I would say, he just keep doing it because it's going well. All right. Let's get a little update.

Your thoughts on Jackson Dart, the new Giants guy. He's got the look. He's kind of cool looking. He's got a decent arm. I don't. what do you make of what you've seen so far? Yeah, he is cool. I got to admit, I was down at training camp a lot.

I watched him every day really close, not every day, but almost. And he didn't have bad days. He threw the ball well. And I think the one thing that I made a mistake on until I found it late right before the draft, I was watching more of his tapes and everything to see what I really thought about. Even all of a sudden I went, wow, I have underestimated his mobility. and his mobility has been a big part these first two games.

And what I like about it is, he's reading the defense, whatever, trying to throw it. But if the gap is open in front of him, it's straight down the middle every time. And he's been really good at that. They have a chance to beat the New Orleans Saints. I thought they were the better team. But the mistakes, that's what you're going to get

with the young quarterback. You don't pull him back too much. You just kind of go, all right, settle down a little bit, but you want to keep being aggressive because being aggressive gives you a chance to be a really good quarterback too. So when you were with a giant, so was Bill Belichick. And I know he was on the defensive side.

I never thought he was a college football guy. I think college football is a little more joyful. The bands, the alumni, the parents. Bill's a pro guy to me. You know, I never got it. Are you surprised it's been this big of kind of a mess so far? Well, I think we were together 13 years. with the Giants. He came in in 79, I think the same year I did. But yeah, I listen, I'm very surprised.

I thought he would go down there and kind of show college football. There's a little different way to do this. Well, he did it a different way, but it's not working. And, and you know, I, hey, look, you don't spend 13 years of the guy. He did a lot of great things for me, said things to me, talk to me when I needed it and all that stuff, and taught me too. but so I feel bad and I hope somehow honestly I just hope when the year's over I hope he decides to do something else because man it's almost impossible to watch the games it's that bad yeah it really is you know and I'm sure you've been asked this before because on the speaker circuit the Giants have had a really bad 10 year run New York sports right now is a bit of a

has-met spill yeah that's bad um and and you can always point fingers. I mean, the Yankees have been very patient, and they've had some success. If I pointed to you and said, okay, give me a paragraph on what's gone wrong with the Giants, coaches, quarterbacks, GMs, ownership. Because listen, when I worked at the other place, I always said they were the accounting firm of the NFL. They were quiet.

They didn't make a lot of noise. They were well run. They were never flashy. but you knew the numbers were right. They just, they were smart. Something has gone haywire because I always thought the jets were squirly, but the Giants were big blue. They would figure it out.

Phil, it has been a rough, rough stretch. Where do you point the fingers? Well, you know, you always start with this, player acquisitions. You know, the draft, you hope it goes well. There's so much into it. And, you know, I don't know how these guys have great drafts sometimes because you just never know about players, even though you do all the research.

But the draft hasn't been great. But these last couple years, the guys that they've been drafting, they're playing and actually doing pretty well. So I really don't have an answer for that, why it's not going well. But I do look at other teams. They're having success.

And what they have is just a group of stars that are all in. And they're connected to the coach. And it's hard and tough. And that's who they are. That'll never go. away from football. And if you want to win, you got to be physical, you got to be tough, and you got to be smart.

And I'm not saying the Giants aren't that, but maybe the personnel has not given them that chance. So I'm going to go to the game tonight, and I think they'll play the Philadelphia Eagles close, and I won't walk out of the stadium shocked if they win, but I'll be happy because I'm just going to be honest. I'm going to root for the Giants. Yeah. So, yeah, it's unbelievable.

Every year I see the draft all this. I go to training camp and I go, this might be the year. This is a year. And with the league neighbors and, of course, the quarterback and everything I was watching, the pass rush, I said, man, they got a chance. And they've had two chances and they lost both of those games, Dallas and down in New Orleans. That changes your year, Colin. I mean, just think if they beat Dallas in overtime or beat New Orleans, all of a sudden

we'd be going, hey, look, Phil, what about the Giants, man? they might be in the playoffs. That's how close it is, I think, in the NFL. This just popped into my head. You're covering some college football now. Sims complete on the Believe Network. So we'll wrap it up with this. Your son played at Texas.

And I've said this before. Of the five toughest jobs in all of sports in America, quarterback of the Texas Longhorns is near the top of that list, it is insane pressure. The donors, the coaching, the culture. It's almost got an NFL field. in terms of it's in a cool city. There's a lot of business.

There's a lot of money. It's not your typical rural college where you get a friendly media and everybody's on. Texas football is big. It's bigger than a lot of NFL programs, right? It's bigger than Jaguars football in Jacksonville. Your son played there. Archmanning is really struggling. Take me to the pressure your son felt and that it's just not another college quarterback job at Texas.

It feels almost professional. Yeah, you know, I don't know if I could even answer that question about my son. We never talked about how you're feeling and all that. And, you know, I always gave words of encouragement. And I, not to get off target here, but I always say to, like, parents of quarterbacks that are coming up through high school that are really good and in the pros, I say to them, stay with them, be in contact them as much as you can to help them through all the hardships are going to come.

because if you don't, it's just not going to work out well. And I'm not sitting here going to confession, but, you know, I didn't make that connection with my kids as much as I should have. I should have been on top of it more. And, you know, I always say this too. They're 18-year-olds coming out of high school. What the hell do they know? They don't know much of nothing.

Right. And so I should have been there as a parent to give them more information. But with Archmanning, I'll say this. I studied him during the off-season. I loved it. everything about him. And what I'm seeing now, I was like, wow, I just, I did not see any of this last year. But I would, I would boil down to this. Just try to relax, whatever it is. But his throwing is what has caught my attention. Yeah. It just hasn't been on target. He rushes, throws. His

motion looks like it's changed from what I saw last year. And I think that's part of the problem. when you, Colin, when you throw the ball well and you know where it's going to go, you don't become a good decision maker. You become great, great. You see it, you believe it, you complete it, and let's move on. And right now I just see doubt sometimes in Arch Manning when he's throwing the football that he's like, oh, I want to complete it. You know, when you want to complete him too bad, it usually doesn't work.

So we'll see. You know, more experience. I will say he'll kind of fix this and look a lot better. or so your goes along. Phil, as always, we talk about once every couple years. I always loved chatting with you, great wisdom, and you look fantastic. I'm not going to say your age, people can Google it, but you look really good. Well, hell.

All right. My wife never tells me that. Yeah. Okay. Maybe she should. Hey, you know, listen, I'm looking for interviews. So bring me on every once in a while. You know, I'd like to beat it up, you know.

All right. Let me, this will be the last thing I say real quick. The quarterbacks, I know you like the guy at Oregon, and you know what? You should. He's really good. Yes. And Oregon, if you want to be a good quarterback, go up there and get taught and run that offense. You'll do well.

But what's coming into the draft this year, it's probably going to be real. There's going to be a lot of them. But you know what's coming in? The following year behind them is another damn group. So this quarterback situation, there's enough quarterbacks to go around for this whole lead. The big thing is, can we get coaches to create a scheme, to lead the team to let these quarterbacks show who they are.

I mean, what happened? All of a sudden, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold are stars when we watch them. And they were thrown to the sidewalk a couple years ago. Yeah. So there you go.

Phil Sims. We will bring you back on. And I mean it. We're going to bring you back on. I love this. I appreciate it. Thanks, Phil. It'll be great if you bring me back on

and then pay me. I like that even better. We do that. We're going to. Fox is doing well. Stock prices up. We got plenty of cash here. All right.

Well, thank you. Thanks for having me on, Colin. You bet. Phil Sims. It feels great. All right, we take a break. We'll wrap it up with Herd line next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a podcast. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it.

Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast. We could call in and say, hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

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Everybody's waiting to find out who the backup to Dylan Gabriel will be. Kevin Sifansky is not showing his cards. Will it be Shador Sanders or Bailey Zappy? Colin, that's the legitimate story out of Cleveland. Who's going to be the backup? And here's Defansky talking about it. I always have to be mindful of our players and our players' development. And, you know, I want to make sure that I'm always doing what's best for our players and, of course, our team.

But, you know, with young players, I'm always thinking about last week making the change with to Dylan. You have to think long and hard about that because these are young players that you're so invested in their developments. Yeah. Colin, this is, if you listen closely, players. development. Bailey Zappy ain't developing, okay? He's a veteran backup. It sounds to me like Shadur ain't going to be the backup list. That's my read

from this quote. Maybe I'm reading between the lines. But is it strange that he's up there answering questions about his backup? It's so funny. There's this contingent in Cleveland that thinks you know, Shadur, they're against Shadur Sanders. You do get that Cleveland wishes he was Andrew Luck.

Right. So nobody's against him. I think his lack of maturity. I think he was more of a projected more as a work than he was ready to play. But it is shocking. I do not remember, and all I've been doing this 30 years, I do not remember ever there being a quarterback that was largely understood. Quarterbacks drop in the draft all the time, but was considered late first, early second by people I trust that not only drop to the fifth round, he's a scout team guy, basically for Cleveland. I mean, the way Stefansky talks.

Like, he's a backup but won't play. So my take, and I know, this probably isn't going to be popular. I think this speaks to the media environment right now, Colin. I hate to be mean, but nobody cares about anything going on with the Cleveland Browns. The only way that they're getting clicks in Cleveland is something Shadur Sanders-related. So is he going to be the backup coach? What's up with the development? That's the only thing.

Nobody cares about the Browns. Isaiah Bond, Harold Finnon, nobody cares. I think Stefansky, every action from Stefansky tells you, Shadoor's not it. So I just follow the act. Stapansky's real bright. Andrew Barry's history drafting is really good. These are smart guys. He can't play.

And again, in my life, I do not remember everybody's saying, that's a late first, mid-first, mid-second. and quarterback, now he drops, but can't move up the rotation. Cleveland would love him to be great because they have that Deshaun contract. They would love a free quarterback from the fifth round. You could get out from within Deshawn Watson's mess if he could play. Because you don't pay, I mean, it's like Brock Purdy paying a part of his appeal was he's as good as Garoppolo or better and he's free for four years. That's very appealing to teams.

By the way, remember we talked about this spot line starting? a tick up. Everybody's noticing, oh, Cleveland's coming off London. Steelers off a buy. In the desert, this is six and a half. It's five and a half for Fox here. It's heading up. It's going to be probably a touchdown. What is it right now? I saw six and a half in the desert on the screen. We got five and a half because, you know, we put this up earlier. But I like a lot, Pittsburgh here. And I don't like Aaron Rogers. You know, so I don't want to give away Friday headlines, but I like Pittsburgh here a lot. Let's move on, Colin, to the Detroit Lions. This is an interesting one. surface that the lions complained to the league office about Aden Hutchison, their star defender,

being blocked illegally. Okay? Story got a lot of attention, including Hutchison just, you know, came back from that nasty leg injury. Well, then Dan Campbell talked about it, and here we go. That's a bogus report. I don't know where that came from. Nobody from here ever did that. That's bull.

I was just curious if you saw any difference. No. No, man. Well, games played a certain way. That's the way it goes, man. It doesn't matter whether we're doing or somebody else is doing it to our guys. We know that and we play accordingly. So you've been in the media a long time when the number one ESPN NFL Newsbreaker has this

and Dan Campbell calls it bogus. What's going on? Are the lions complaining to the league office? Are they not? Is Hutchis' agent doing it? Something fishy going on here. But Dan Campbell was like pointing and fired up in that video. I believe I am a

Dan Campbell is authentic and I think he's incredibly emotionally honest so is I don't I don't think Dan Campbell's trying to manipulate the media I don't think I think he's one of the nicest guys in the league I think he's one of the more honest guys in the league there are very few guys like Vrabel what you get you get

Campbell what you get you get Todd Bulls what you get you get like some of these guys they play to the media those guys don't. Campbell's all, he's all facts, all honest, all raw. He just lets you see all. Yeah, I mean, he gets emotional talking about football. He comes to tears.

He doesn't care. He's just an honest guy. Yeah, I will say, you know, you do the segment where Colin was right where Colin was wrong. I was wrong on Campbell. I remember that one time. I was like, he's not a top 20 coach. And you were like, oh, wait, wait a minute, all these Lions fans came after me. I was wrong.

He's good. Dave Campbell's a culture. I still have my. issues with Nick Seriani. I have none with Dan Campbell. None. He's built a culture. He's a very, very good coach. Very good. He just does it differently. Shanahan's the scheme guy

and I think Dan's the emotional culture builder. I mean, Detroit doesn't have to have great defenses. They are still physical. They just do it on the offensive side. Remember, they weren't good. I think they started like 0 and 7 or 0. and 8. They had it. But they let it bake and he built a culture, which leads us to our

final story and that's the Jets who Aaron Glenn is supposedly building a culture there? I don't know. The Jets are winless. They stink. And Bo Nix is not overlooking Aaron Glenn's Jets this weekend. Well, I think in the league, quite honestly, it's a little disrespectful to

consider anybody a trap team. I think, you know, they're an NFL team and they're going to have some really good players on their defense. And it's not really, you know, a trap game. I think any game you can walk in and

and slip up and lose. That's just the league. So, you know, if you're not careful, in a way all of them could be because they're that good of an opponent. Plus, you remember, I'm staying away from this game. Smart. Because my take is the Broncos come off a huge win. The Jets get humiliated. These are pro athletes. I think it's a touchdown game. I like Denver to win, but I think it's really close.

This is a couple weeks ago, I stayed away from the church. Chargers over the Giants and the Bills over the Saints and the Packers blowing out the Cowboys. Looks so obvious. This looks too obvious. Stay away. Half the battle is dodging landmines. This is a landmine game. Yeah.

One team off a wildly emotional win on the road in Philly. The Jets get humiliated. Jets have players. Jets have good players. Looks like some of their defenders are trending back from injury this week. I don't know that. Are you waking up at 6.30 a.m.? Yes, yes.

Well, actually, you'll be, yeah, you won't have to wake up that. 8. 30. 6.30 for my team. Might be a late Saturday night for old J. Mac. Boozing it up. I will be up at 8.30 Chicago time watching Sean Payton and Bo Nix. I do like waking up to a bunch of texts about the London games. Oh my gosh. How did I bet on this crap?

You know, like bad, bad quarterbacks. When I was living in Vegas out of college, college football wasn't as popular. So you would get the best games in the country like the Miami Hurricanes and the Florida State Seminoles. about nine in the morning. And on Friday night, I would do the local sports, and then I would go to the palestation, and I would bet all those early Florida games and party all night and sleep in. And I'd wake up and be like, oh, I hit a couple of bets, where I lost.

But I was like, that was my first wave of bets. It was the early morning Pacific time bets. Boy, that was. Forget it and forget it. And forget it. Don't stress over every down, which some of us tend to do occasionally. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. It has been a, thinking of Phil Sims, it has been a bad stretch for New York sports teams. Oh, my God. Now, there's a story out there today that Yonis is leaving the bucks and legitimate people are reporting. The league's been notified. Yonis is leaving. Now, I would have done this two years ago.

New York, you're going to get a lot of New York Nick talk. Keep your eye on the Orlando. Magic and the Minnesota Timberwolves. Keep your eye on Orlando and Minnesota. They got the pieces and the picks. And they've got stars who need another equal star next to them. Ant and Janus, Pablo Boncaro and Janus. Paolo Bancaro, yeah.

Just remember, Kevin Durant was traded to the sun. That came out of nowhere a few years ago. We were at the Super Bowl. Golden State wants Janus. They'd have to give up Pods, Kaminga, four first round picks and some expiring contract. One of the smart guys on staff who shares my name is floating the Minnesota Timberwolves. Yeah, no, no, that's that's, that's, if you go look at their words and Janus.

Yeah, if you go look at picks and yes. That's, that's nasty. Those are two top six players in the league. Keep your eye on Houston. Houston's good. They might win the title this year. You got to give up, you got to give up a men Thompson, though. I don't know.

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