The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 3 - Tagovailoa vs Herbert

Episode Date: December 7, 2022

Emmanuel Acho from Fox Sports joins the show to tell Colin why Tua Tagovailoa is better than Justin Herbert   Guests: Emmanuel Acho, Darren SprolesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He is the co-host of Speak, four years in the league in New York Times bestselling author. Emmanuel Acho, he is joining us very controversial. This man is swimming in controversy. Unbelievable. Our show feels like the temperature has been turned up in the room. You had the audacity to say that Tua is better than Justin Herbert. I don't remember everything, but I came on and said, come on. Here's my takeaway.

If you put them both in the draft again with what we know and what we know about Tua's like injury stuff, most GMs would be like, give me the bigger, healthier dude. Is that fair? Thousand percent. That's accurate. That's a thousand percent accurate. So that's my best argument. Your best argument is my guy wins games.

Which, by the way, is a very compelling argument. Exactly right. So how much do you, so we both admit Herbert's really talented. Yes, absolutely. I'm blaming, and I'm doing this a little bit with Nathaniel Hackett, I don't think you can win with a C-minus head coach or a day. I just don't think you can win. I think Herbert was Sean Payton.

We look at him totally different. Here's my issue with that thought process, not the issue with the statement. The thought process is how much longer are we going to continue to blame other people besides Justin Herbert? In college, I was Christoball's fault. Clearly, Christopher didn't know how to use him. It's Christopal's fault that Oregon didn't make it to a playoff game with Herbert there. It had to be Christopher's fault. Then you get to the NFL.

Ah, man, we first year had to change his head coach. Then you have Brandon Staley. Brandon Staley, at least at the time, his first year last year, everybody thought he was one of the wisest head coaches in the game. He was young, coached the number one defense for the Los Angeles Rams. He was gutsy, if you will, going for it on fourth down. But now Staley's fault. It's everybody's fault except Justin Herbert.

And that, to me, Colin, is the most fascinating thing. Herbert's incredibly talented. And on a sheet of paper, I would draft Herbert probably second to only Josh Allen. But football isn't played on paper. Football is played against opposing defenses. No, I mean, there are, the knock on him out of college was he was kind of mechanical, which we know Alan, Burrow, Lamar, Kyle, a lot of the great guys aren't mechanical. We don't doubt his size on his arm.

Dude's got a huge arm. But I do think the argument is, and I say this all the time about Daniel Jones or any quarterback. When you start talking about play calling, you got the wrong guy. Nobody talks play calling with Joe Burrow, ever. They just don't talk it with Mahomes. We've never talked play calling with Brady. And with Herbert, I find myself, and I think he's great. Kind of banging on the coach, the lack of creativity.

And then I go back to the mechanical stuff in college. and I think, am I missing something? Do I have a hole on this? So I think the argument's interesting. I tend to go back to with what we know today if you were a GM. Who would you draft? I would obviously draft. If I were GM, I would be hard pressed to not be blinded by the measurables.

Of course. But don't you think, Colin, and you know enough GMs personally, you talk about it, you've had so many intelligent conversations with GMs that they miss so often because they look at the measurable. Here's my greatest counter to your argument is this. if you were to draft based off measurables right now, you still wouldn't draft Tom Brady early. If you were to draft based off measurables right now,

you still wouldn't draft Joe Burrow early. But to me, Tom Brady, the greatest winner in the history of the NFL, and I believe Joe Burrow will likely be one of the greatest winners of this generation. So if we were to be blinded by measurables, then we would continue to make the mistakes we've so often made in the history of the NFL because we do what's most lazy and we just say,

I want the biggest, tallest, fastest guy with the strongest arm. But history shows us that's not actually the most important. Yeah. Peyton Manning is one of the very rare all time. Number one high school, number one college, number one pick great. I mean, it's almost always overlooked. Big Ben, Brady. I mean, it really is.

And I think I talked to Trent Dill for about this month. He said, it's hard to be a quarterback. He goes, practice is hard. You've got to have a total chip on your shoulder. He goes, if you've been babyed or coddled, you know, and he would say, why does an Ohio State? in USC of all the great quarterbacks because they never get hit in college. He's like, you're getting hit in practice in the NFL.

You'll take your pads off on a Wednesday and you've got scratch marks. He's like, it's hard. You're always throwing in a muddy pocket. So there are two college questions I want to ask you about. And I think they're fascinating. So when Primetime first got named, my initial reaction was, this is an agnostic, cannabis-centric, hippie town. What a weird bad fit.

And then I just, you know, I sat there to watch. And all of a sudden, I'm like, wait a timeout. This is a program that has no star power. Yep. And no money. He's both. He'll bring NIL. He'll bring star power.

And I thought, he's actually a fascinating pick. So I talked myself out of, I mean, he is very much a man of God, a man. And this is like agnostic pot smoking. You know, I mean, it's left wing politic. And I'm like, this is like, this is an odd fit. I kind of think it's spectacular out of the box thinking. Or am I wrong on that? I don't think you're wrong.

I don't think you're right. I think it's irrelevant. Meaning, people always ask, Colin, hey, man, Acho, what's the best workout for me? The best workout is the workout you'll do. What's the best job offer for Deion? The best job offer is the one that he has. If Auburn wanted him, they would have offered.

If Nebraska wanted them, they would have offered. If Wisconsin wanted them, they would have offered. They didn't. Colorado offered. So the best fit is the only option. Like, it's the only shoe that Deon can wear is the one that fits. Will it work? Dion is a galvanizer.

There are some people that are thermostats, that are some people that are thermometers. What do I mean? A thermometer, it simply reads the temperature in the room. A thermostat, it changes the temperature in the room. Dion Sanders is a thermostat. He is going to change the temperature in the room. You saw him in that opening presser in Colorado.

Well, I mean, you can see the transfer portal. There's already multiple rumors of, I mean, if you were a young corner in L.A., you would at least go visit. You wouldn't have visited Colorado in 100 years. I'd go on the trip now. You have to. People have to remember. College kids make college decisions for very low thought process ideas.

I wanted to go to Auburn because of their jerseys. They were underarm. Auburn was the one Under Armour School back in 2007, I believe. Do you remember the great UNLV basketball teams? Jerry Tarkhanian. Talk to me. Moses Scurry was a power forward. He went because of the fireworks show.

He goes, I'd never seen that in any arena. And I was like, that's an odd reason, but he was 18. That's the reason. That's the reason. That's literally, I wanted to go to Auburn for that reason. I wanted to go to Oklahoma State because they had black jerseys. I end up in Texas going to a national championship. But as 16-year-old me getting recruited, I'll go for that reason.

You don't think somebody wants to go play for Prime? Somebody wants to go play for the dude that high step, the dude that war chains are in draft day, the dude that had commercial sitting on a couch? Yeah. Of course they do. Yeah. So I'm going to talk you out of OBJ. I thought he was a great fit.

And then I read the stories yesterday, new information. Yeah. And I say this all the time. People say, coward, you flop. And I'm always like, well, if you're a pilot and you get a new weather forecast, you change the direction you're going. So then I hear people I try. Ed Werders like, oh, he can't play this year.

Like this is, in fact, I have a quote here. I'll read you this. This is from Albert Breer this morning saying, his 2020 surgery was a mess. The Rams had concerns, even about signing him and then wouldn't re-sign him. So then he gets hurt again. And my takeaway is what you need O'Dell Beckham for, Emmanuel, is this year.

Yeah. We're going to go to Philly. We need a play. You don't need him next year. Why? Because the college draft gives us, the defense is set. So you're drafted offense next year, right? They're moving off Zeke.

They got Pollard. They're going to go draft the receiver. They've done a pretty good job of it. And there's about 25 a year coming out of college that can play. To me, if he can't play now, I'm not interested at all. I agree with you. I actually, I agree with you for this reason. So many people think that O'Dell would have instantly helped the Cowboys, but let me remind every listener the very first play O'Dell had with the Rams. Take a second and think back for it. Colin, you might remember. It was a now screen to O'Do Beckham.

The very first play in Los Angeles. I don't remember that. The fourth play was an interception forced into double coverage to O'Dell Beckham. If O'Dell's on your roster, you got to give them the ball. Right. If Odell is in Dallas, you got to force feed him. But if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Cowboys' offense since Dak's been back, 32 points per game. It's not broke, so don't fix it.

I think Odell needs the Cowboys more than the Cowboys need Odell. Superstar talent. Galvanizer of talent, all the things. But I just don't know that the Cowboys need them. The Giants? Absolutely. Cowboys? Not so much.

So Brock Purdy's an interesting story. You know this very well. So you were drafted in the sixth round and out of Texas and lasted. So Brock Purdy started for four years, was recruited by Alabama. And I went back the other day and looked at his completion percentage. Dude delivers 68%. He comes in Sunday, takes no first team reps. You know this for a quarterback.

Oh, guys hurt. Go play. Against Miami? Okay. And it's like 25 or 37 or something. I forget what the number, 27 to 35, right on his college average. I look at him and I think maybe can't win in Philly. But am I, I know this league. Half the guys in this league. You were in NFL locker rooms as a six round pick. There are dudes everywhere. The Chargers drafted a six round guard. They put him at left tackle and he's good. So my takeaway is, For eight games, dude can absolutely win playoff games, can he? I think he can because of what he'll be asked to do. Now, here's what people don't realize in football.

Typically, there's a four-game film cycle, meaning I need four weeks of film on you to actually know what it is that you do. It's not coincidence that a quarterback can come in instantly and strike fire because opponents have no film on you. We don't know your tendencies. Russell, if he's in the pocket, if you're blitzing him, he spins high every time. That's a tendency. That's right.

Justin Herbert, if you're blitzing him. If he's in the pocket, he's not spinning. He's probably stepping up leaning left. That's a tendency. You don't know Brock Purdy's tendencies. So he can get away with something very quickly for a game, for two games, for three games. I'm not worried about Purdy in the regular season.

I'm worried about Purdy come the playoffs. If for some reason the Niners play the Vikings and Justin Jefferson has three touchdowns in the first half, now all of a sudden, Purdy, you're in a shootout. Now what? Yeah, you're screwed. Exactly. That's right. circumstances, he needs the right circumstances to win.

All right, finally, he's the co-host of Speak, Emmanuel Lacho, New York Time bestselling author, Joey Taylor, Shady McCoy. I'm all over the map. I love Sark because he does so many things well, but I think I bailed on him earlier this year, or later in the year I said, you've got to start winning these one score games. Like he just, Washington, Texas, it just feel like he can recruit, he can, talk. It's a little loose.

I always feel his teams are a little loose. They lose these one-score games. By the way, Lincoln Riley, for all the issues this year, take out the Utah close game. They were very good situationally. They had limitations, but God, they were good on third down. God, in the red zone, they were fantastic. What do Texas people think about Sarkies, 8 and 4, 5 and 7, 8 and 4? What did they think about him?

We are pleased for now. One of the most brilliant things I think you say on the airwaves is if you're hired as a head coach, you must instantly do well what you do well. You talk about this in regards to Lincoln Riley. Offense, it was fine. Got to solve that side of the ball. Solve it instantly. You talked about it in regards to Brent Venables at Oklahoma. Defense, Brent Venables, you're a defensive coach.

Why does the defense look no good? Sark, you are an offensive mind. Colin, at the point in which everything is on the line for Texas, TCU, three weeks ago in Austin, Big 12 championship. aspirations are on the line for this game. The defense held TCU to 17 points. The defense scored a touchdown themselves, so a net 10 points. You can get 10 points out of your offense. You got maybe the third greatest running back in Texas football history behind Ricky Williams, behind Earl Campbell. Yeah. Right? Maybe up there with Cedric Benson. You got one of the best tight ends in the conference, one of the best receivers in the conference, a number one overall

picket quarterback and you couldn't muster up 10 points. That is why I can't yet scream Sarks praises. I will speak Sarks praises, but I can't yet yell them with a megaphone. Yeah, I mean, I grew up in Seattle, so I'm a Husky fan. I grew up near Seattle. So I always thought he could recruit, he could sell. My knock on him was the teams always felt a little loose. Lincoln's teams feel really tight, like Shanahan's team.

In fact, I would argue with Shanahan, the thing that drives me crazy, he's sometimes completely behold into his script. Like in the second half, it's like, let Jimmy throw a deep ball. Like, let it rip. Kyle is so buttoned up, so he's just glued to the script. And with Sark, I feel he's a little riverboat gambler. He's kind of making it up as he goes. I think Sark is phenomenal when it comes to those scripting plays.

Oh, no, no. First 15, Sark is, great. He goes crazy. Go ask Nick Sabin. He is great at that. But then there are some decisions when it's like, Sart, did you forget you had one of the greatest running backs in college football? Like, just get it to them.

Now, I do believe if you go five and seven, you go eight and four, next year you got to win 10. That's what it comes down to. Texas, anything less than a 10-win season, it's a disappointment. Coming from someone who was at Texas during a streak of 12 10-win seasons, it's a disappointment. I think they're capable of it. Now I've got to go do it.

Highly controversial. The show is called Speak. You should watch him. Tua and Herbert. He's either going to be in a great mood Sunday night or come limping into the building, wobbling into the building. I can't wait.

Hopefully I'm waddling into the building. Shout out to Jalen. Good seeing you, man. My man. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Uh, J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. started with George Pickens. I don't know if you saw this Sunday. I somehow missed it, but he was coming off the field to the sideline, unhappy late in the game fourth quarter and just starts cursing, get me the ball, get me the damn ball. Regarding the sideline outburst,

Mike Tomlin said he had no issue with it. Here's a video. Look at him. He's fired up. Apparently Deontay Johnson nearly fumbled on this play in Pickens. You know, a young kid, had some issues in college, you know? Well, listen, he's highly emotional. A lot of receivers are. I think his argument is, come on, man. We moved off Chase Claypool. I got to be getting 9-10 targets a game. As a rookie, though? Kurtz it on the sideline extra quarterback?

By the way, I saw Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson as a rookie. That kid can play. Okay. Here's what Tomlin said. I get it a little bit. Tomlin on his young receiver. I want a guy that wants to be a significant part of what it is that we do. Now, the appropriate and professional and mature way to express that we're growing and working on,

and we will continue. But that spirit, that competitive spirit, the guy that wants the ball, no, I want that guy. I'm not going to make that a negative. No matter how silly I think the commentary is or people talking about him expressing frustrations and stuff and trying to make it a negative storyline. I laugh at that.

Again, that's one of the reasons why we're continually progressing because we're capable of tuning that BS out. By the way, Tom Brady's been in this league 23 years. He's barking at coaches and players all the time. Quarterback, listen, I'll just say this. I like Pickens a lot. Tom Lynn let Antonio Brown get away with this non-man. sense in Pittsburgh for a long time.

And eventually he was like, I'm sick of it. Okay. And Antonio Brown ended up going off the deep end and was crazy. At some point, you've got to rein these guys in a little bit. Well, I think the culture in Pittsburgh has always been very high emotion. Like Tomlin is a highly emotional coach. He likes highly emotional players. He likes people that love football.

And I think that's their culture. There are sometimes a little, you know, they unravel a little bit. But I'm going to defend this kid. He is great. They're not targeting him enough. By the way, did you see who he's barking at? The offense, maybe, I mean, he's one of the coaches. Oh, the offensive coordinator stinks.

Okay, so I'm going to defend him here. They are not targeting him enough. Okay. So one day when I walk off the set and I start cursing, I need the rock. Colin, give me the freedom to be me. You know, when I do that, you're going to be like, hey, I like the fire. You've never done it yet, so I'll give you one. Don't need to do it any time in the near.

And maybe when we don't talk enough soccer on Monday, you'll be fired up. Oh, please. All right. Coming up next, we got the Rams. They claimed Baker Mayfield off waivers, obviously. Talked about it earlier in the show. They were third in the waiver order. But, Colin, interesting note, not one other team claim Baker Mayfield.

Did the Rams do this? Because if he leaves, which he probably will, they get a cop pick. And they're trying to get draft picks like crazy in L.A. Perhaps. I also think they're not incentivized to lose games with the third and fourth straight quarterback. Right. They need to win. They don't have a million.

A million and a half or something? Yeah, that's nothing. I think they're, to me, I looked at it and I thought this is a way to get like a six-round pick. I mean, they are literally trying to get anything they can do to get picks. I think they're going to trade Jalen Ramsey and get a pick. I really do. Or two. They got to do some rebuilding here.

They're getting costly at the top and very thin on the O line. Yeah. At what cost to win a Super Bowl? It's like a legitimate question because you won the Super Bowl last year. You're the worst any Super Bowl champ has ever been the following year. Are they automatically turning it around? Cooper Cup injuries, Stafford injuries, Aaron Donald injuries. have to make some big swings here. I look at Baker and I think to myself, you know, McVey, it's a toy.

McVeigh is going to have some fun with it, give him a little fire at the end of the year, but he's not a long term. We all know he's not a long-term solution. All right. Final thing here. Bull season right around the corner and players are starting to skip bowl games. Now I know the old school media gets all huffy. You've got to play to be part of the team. And these guys will get dinged when it's draft time because they skip the ball game. That's a crock of you know what. Well, Will Levis, the quarterback for Kentucky announced today. He's skipping his Trans Perfect Music City Bowl. I would skip that too.

Yeah, I would as well against Iowa, and he's declaring for the draft note. There's some other notable opt-outs. Jackson Smith Najigba from Ohio State, the receiver. He's had some hamstring injuries. He's saying, just, I'm not risking anything. So he's not playing. Joey Porter, Jr., the good quarterback out of Penn State.

You know, his dad was in the NFL. And two other big ones. The tight end, I believe, from Notre Dame, Michael Mayer, Sounds like he's not going to play. And Anthony Richardson, the quarterback from Florida, who is dynamic, has declared for the draft. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. That got a lot of heat, Anthony Richardson. But you look at his size and his arm, somebody's going to draft him.

He's got a – I mean, he's one of those guys, depending on the YouTube clip for the game you watch. There are moments with him you're like, yeah. Somebody, some offensive guy in this league is going to draft Anthony Richardson. I get it. how much I should divulge here, but I know someone close to Richardson, and I had him in my mock draft for Fox Sports, and the person reached out to me,

he was like, yo, he's not ready for the pros. There's one person chirping in his ear, you've got to go, you got to go. Unfortunately, he listened to that person. Richardson is talented, but Colin, he's a project. This is not like a Pat Mahomesat situation where he sits for a year. That's right.

This is closer to like a Jordan love two or three years thing. But size, movement. Very talented. Very talented. You kind of wish these guys would stay. I know there's NIL money that he could have gotten. I'm hopeful for Richardson. I'm rooting for him, but I don't know if this was the right decision.

He got a lot of heat on the internet. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Line News. By the way, Will Levis is a project, but he's a first round project. He's got more starts. I think he's, you know, but Will Levis throws a lot of picks, makes a lot of mistakes,

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I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'll say it. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions,

my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music.

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For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Only five players in NFL history have more all-purpose yards than Darren Spurs. Rolls. A former fourth round pick for the Chargers, then to the Saints, then to the Eagles. Fifteen years in the league, which is remarkable considering the size and the durability and the punishment you took. You are now a personnel consultant for the Philadelphia Eagles. I said this earlier today. As I watched Jalen Hertz at Bama, Bama moved off him, moved off him. And I watched him his first year in the NFL, and I'm like, he's a little small, and he doesn't, you know, he's more

runner than thrower and I watched him this year and I'm like what are you shocked at how he is grown in the last 18 months in this league shock no he's a leader like the way he works off the field too like like his film study and stuff like that like shock no he's a he's a leader Like, you know what I'm saying? And he makes everybody around them better. So you played with Drew Brees, obviously, and Sean Payton. And I've said, as the league is pivoted to an offensive lead, the middle of the field now, you can't hit anybody.

So receivers want to, when I grew up, receivers didn't want to go to the middle of the field. That's just the way it was for a lot of my football watching. And then about seven, eight years ago, nine, ten years ago, now the middle of the field, anybody will go in there because you can't hit anybody. So I think defensive coaches can sometimes struggle that they just don't have the feel for it. So you had Marty Schottenheimer and then you went to Sean Payton. So you had a big swing in terms of, you know, kind of an old school guy and a new school guy. What did Sean Payton do for your career that if Sean's not your coach or Drew isn't your quarterback, it may never happen.

Yeah. The thing about Sean Payton, he's always. going to put you in the position where you grade at. Like in space, I was great in space. So he made all his plays for me in space. Did he sit down with you? Did he, I mean, did he tailor certain, you know, parts of the playbook for you? You had discussions.

Would you sit in a film room together? How did it work? This is the thing. Like with Sean, before I came, he had called me on the phone. He was like, Spro's like, you come to New Orleans. I will make you a star. That's what he told me. So then,

so then, like, when I got to New Orleans, then I got in the playbook, and I started seeing stuff, like, where he was putting me at and remotioning me, like,

he was putting me on the linebackers, one-on-one, to let me be great. Constantly. Constantly. What is the difference? You played 15 years. You had some average quarterbacks,

you also had Drew Breeze. What is the difference in the huddle? What is the difference two minutes to go in a game? What is the difference between Drew Breeze and a lot of other super-towners-hearted guys who are often bigger, bigger arms, more mobile? Like, what's the separator for a great quarterback? The great quarterback, he's going to take what the defense gives him.

But then, like, I always knew when we get in crunch time, whatever, if I want a woman a linebacker, he's coming to me. You knew it. I knew it. We had, like, the look.

Like, he would tell him, okay, so, so, like, we played the Dolphins Monday night or Sunday night. So, like, we had a walk-through before the game, like in the morning, so we don't want to walk through.

He was like Sprozy. He was like Sprozy. If I get this look during the game and I give you this, grab my jersey. Yeah, like his jersey, whatever. I want you to run a wheel. And I'm going to tell you something.

Second play of the game. We ain't empty. He gave me the call. And it was wide open. So like, with him, he studied the film so much. He knew when they were trying to, he basically knew what they were trying to do.

Before they did it. Yeah, before they did it. And that's the difference between the greats. Yeah, that's how special he was. So Philadelphia is funny. So when Nick Seriani got the job, he had a press conference. It was not good. He was nervous.

He was not good in front of the mic. You could tell this is his first job. He didn't do a lot of press conferences. If you've never done something, you're probably not going to be great at it. And I said, that's a bad press conference. He looks nervous. Are the guys going to buy into him? And then all of a sudden, he gets him to the,

playoffs. What is what is Nick Sariani do do you think that I mean again you've had Sean Peyton you've got a Hall of Fame level coach. Did you buy into Nick Sariani day one to the team what's what's his special sauce from day one when he got in there he gained their respect from the vets first he got the respect from the vets first I mean then that just trickle down like he um they bought into him they bought into him And it shows. Yeah. Well, veteran players generally run a locker room.

Well, of all the years you played, I mean, think about all the teammates you had. You had a lot of teammates. Was there, like if I said to you, just talent, I'm not saying he was the best player. Maybe he was. But if I said to you, was there ever a guy as great as you were? Only five people in the history of the sport have ever had more total yards. Was there ever a guy you looked at and thought, that's, I remember watching when I, I remember a watching Dion Sanders in college.

And he played for Florida State. And they played Miami in a game. And Miami, the hurricanes were great. You remember those days? Yeah. And he had a punt return. And he was literally taunting Miami players. I thought the Miami guys were the fastest people in the world.

He was running away from him, taunting them. And I'm like, oh, my God. Like, that's just different talent. Who's the most, it could be offense or defense. Was there a most talented player that you thought physically you ever played with? the most talented player that I ever played with. Did you ever play with Ledanyan Tomlinson? Yes.

That's what I was going to say. Ladeney and Thomason was the... Catch? Like, it was crazy. So, like, when I first got to San Diego, he was younger. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And, like, the way he worked in practice,

he, like, he took every rep, and he took it to the house every time he... Like Jerry Rice did. To the house. Like, work was crazy. But then, like, so like in preseason, like, he never played, he never played in the preseason. You know what I'm saying?

So my rookie year, whatever, they let them play. They gave him a toss. He went 80. And that was the last time, like, he played. In the preseason the game? I was like, man, it's crazy. So with LT, like, that's who I learned, like, how to practice from.

Oh, really? Yeah, like, he's full speed. Every practice, every play, full speed. And then, like, that's how I practice. Was there ever a defensive player? You played in a game or two against Ray Lewis, didn't you? Yep. Was Ray the most intimidating defensive player you faced?

Like, Ray growled. I mean, Ray Lewis was. Ray was smart, like, you couldn't keep running the same play versus him. Like, he was going to shoot through, like, the gap, like with power. He did that against the Chargers once. That was me. Oh, I remember that play.

I remember that play. Fourth and one, whatever. Shot the gap. Shot the gap. And you'd run it before? We was running the whole game. And that time, he's seen it coming. And then he just, I remember.

Wherever, like where the guard left at, he just shot the gap. I remember that play. I may be old, but I can remember some stuff. So you're a personnel consultant for the Eagles. Do you watch the pro game or college? Do they put you on college kids? So I watched both. So I watched the college and I watch Pro 2.

And you give them notes. Yeah. Here's who I like. Here's watch out for. Yep. Well, you were a fourth round pick to the Chargers, ended up being an all-time grade. I've had coaches tell me this before.

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