The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 3 - Teams we love seeing lose the most

Episode Date: May 31, 2023

More thoughts on the NBA Finals and Michael Malone's comments Teams we love to see lose   Guest: Daniel Jeremiah   #douggottliebshow  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowher. For the next hour, how about we talk to sports? Oh, Daniel Jeremiah, draft analyst for the NFL Network and the sticks podcast host. And, of course, the analyst for the L.A. Chargers radio games. radio calls. We'll join us upcoming in 20 minutes. We're two days away.

Yeah. Is it two days away? Or are we a day and a half away? Two sleeps from the NBA finals. This is like... No, it's two sleep. Well, no, today's Wednesday. One sleep.

Sorry, we're one day away. Are we a day away or... Yeah, I guess. You know what, honestly, here's what screwed me up. Here's what screwed me up. This is real. The holiday screws you up because we worked on the holiday, everybody else off on the holiday,

but then you come back to working the day after the holiday, and you're like, wait a second, I totally forgot today is, today is Wednesday, correct? It is Wednesday. I know it's the 31st, it's Wednesday, which means that the first NBA final game is tomorrow night at 8.30 on the east, 530 on the west. So one more sleep. I guess it's a, it's a day away. It's a day and how many hours? Six and a half hours. So we're 30, really 34 hours away.

Day and a half away. One sleep. Heat, nuggets, NBA finals. I think it's going to be fun series. Of course I think the Nuggets are going to win, not because of their regular season record. Don't care. Not even because they've won the last six games in the playoffs. You know? Or they've won, what is it,

nine of their last 11 games in the playoffs. Overall, they've only lost three games, and, you know, two of them were in Phoenix to unbelievable effort. Unbelievable. scoring efforts really by two dudes. You know, Booker and Durant scored, what was it? One game it was like 72 points together.

But outside of that, I mean, they were the, they've been the best team seemingly all season long. Obviously, the Bucks had a better record. The Nuggets had the best record in the West, and they're the best team standing. The heat went one in one in the play-in games. The Heat are an eight seed, an eight seed. And so Mike Malone, who of course is the head coach of the Nuggets, a one seed, a team that's lost three games in three series in the playoffs, says seeds don't matter.

Take a listen. Forget the eight seed stuff. They beat Milwaukee four to one. The team that had the most wins in the NBA this year. They beat Boston four to three and they're up three O. Team with, I think, the second most wins in the NBA this year. So you get to the NBA finals. It's not about seeding anyway.

more. You're trying to win the first NBA championship and franchise history. It's going to be the hardest thing that we've ever done, which is the way it should be. I agree. I mean, like, let's be honest and point out that when they played the Bucks, Yannis missed two and a half games, right? Missed two and a half games. But Jimmy Butler was awesome, but he missed two and a half games.

Beat the Celtics straight up. Straight up. Without Tyler Hero, beat them. Yes, they were up three games to none, and they earned all of them. those. They were the better team and it wasn't like it was some fluky, you know, game three wasn't close. Really, game one, they were the better team. Game two was kind of a toss-up game. But I just, I find it like comical. The, hey, even when we were the prohibitive favorite, even when we've been a dominant team in the playoffs and we had the best record in the West,

even with all of that said, records don't matter, right? Records don't matter. I mean, we see this in so many different elements of life where people constantly want to be, everyone wants to be the underdog. Everyone wants to come from nothing. Do you ever notice that? Have you ever spoken to somebody when you go like, hey, what was it like growing up? Man, I was just, you know, things were good. I lived in a negated community and my parents both worked and we had a nanny and the nanny

was cool and I always had every meal taken care of and I went to a private's like, no, it's not physically possible, but any human being you talked to grew up poor. Anybody grew up poor? Like, I tell my story. My parents both had college degrees. My parents both worked. I grew up in Orange, California. I moved to Orange in 1981.

My dad was an assistant coach at Long Beach State. Three years in he got fired. My mom was a secretary at Lombie State. Then she used her ability to be an interior designer, which she'd gone to school for, and she had worked with before. And she worked for a couple of different firms. Then eventually they started an interior design company. Like, I didn't grow up in any way wealthy.

There were some tough time. When they got fired, he had a 1976 Honda Civic that the odometer had actually turned over on. and when money was tight, I remember he, there was an issue with the starter on the car, so we had to push start the car on a daily basis. And you would just hope that, that it wouldn't, you know, go out in front of your school. Man, I can't be pushed start in my dad's car in front of the school.

But, like, I'm not going to sit here and tell you that I, I worried about my next meal. My dad may not have managed his finances all too well, but I didn't suffer necessarily because of it. You know, it was okay. I didn't know, I didn't really know any better. I knew when you go to people's houses that were nicer and bigger, and I knew there were people's houses that were not as nice.

But if you talk to people, I mean, tell me this not the case. If I ask you where you're from, everyone has their same sob. Like, man, it's like the old grandpa thing, like walk to, walk to school, barefoot, uphill, both ways. That's how we all talk about it. It's impossible for us all. to have grown up poor. It's impossible for us all to be underdogs and all to somehow. Like even LeBron James will say this sometimes where he'll go like, I wasn't meant to be here. Like, bro, you're 6-9-200, 6-8-260 pounds. You're remarkably athletic and your athletic skills

matches directly with, like, you look like what a basketball player, if they worked out in their body, like would look like. But even you go back to when he was coming out of high school, complete freak athlete. Like, where else? else were you meant to be. But have you noticed that we all grew up poor? Jay Stu, I'll bet you couldn't rub two nickels together, right, when you were growing up? I mean, there's a rough streets of Braya, California, yeah. Yeah.

And coaches do the same thing as well. No, no, no, no. When you're the favorite, no, no, no, ratings, Vegas, they don't mean anything. When you're in the other dog, everybody hates us. Nobody believes in us. you know Jim Calhoun the Hall of Fame coach at Yukon who won was it four national titles no he went he won three right I think he won three and then Kevin Ollie won one and and then Danny Hurley just won one one Jim Calhoun he used to do this thing where you'd go and

you'd go to one of their practices early in the season and he'd come over and he talked to you it was hard to understand him because it's such a thick Boston accent he's talked really fascinating. Yeah, we're just terrible. Terrible. Not good. Soft. You know, you'd watch him and he's like, we're just not any good.

We're not any good. There's no Ray Allen out there. Nothing. And so, like, you file that in your brain. Like, here's a Hall of Fame coach who's talking to you candidly and telling you're not any good. And so you kind of downplay him. And he'd tell the local media the same thing.

We're not any good. You lose the game. Say, I tell you, we're not any good. It's just better than us. So by the time you got to like, I don't know, January, February, you're like, ah, they're just okay this year. And then he'd turn it on the team. Like, they don't believe in you.

I believe in you. Like, you were the one who told us you weren't any good. He'd make his team into underdogs in everybody's mind. It's the reality. It's just a mental mind game. And look, what Mike Boulon's saying is correct. This is a Miami Heat team that say what you want about seeds. Like, you have to prove yourself in the NBA playoffs.

It is seven game series. The best team wins. The best and sometimes healthiest team win. But look, they, Yonis people. played when they beat Milwaukee. So they embarrassed the New York Knicks. Knicks had a chance to make it go back to New York, but they embarrassed in some ways the New York Knicks.

I mean, think about how they've unseed. And you can say seed doesn't matter. But when you have undrafted players accounting for, how many points a game is it? it's like 58 points per game for undrafted players in the last series. I mean, Mike Malone can say it doesn't matter, but it sure as hell mattered to the teams that the heat beat.

Look at what's happened. The bucks lose to the heat. They fire their coach. The Knicks lose to the heat. They fire their general manager. The Celtics lose to the heat and, I don't know, we're going to fire this coach? Are we going to get rid of Jalen Brown?

And I understand that no one handles losing well at the ultra-competitive professional level. But it does say something about the lack of respect. I think the heat have, in terms of their personnel, that you got dudes getting fired because they lost in the heat. And are there other factors? Of course. Of course. Like Mike Booneholzer didn't get fired just because of that series. he probably got fired because he wouldn't put Janice on Jimmy Butler,

even though Janice wanted to guard Jimmy Butler. But Mike, it wasn't a one-time thing, right? There had been previous early exits in the playoffs and previous lack of adjustments, and it just came to a head and it gave them the opportunity. You got new owners, so they fired him. But it is, to me, what does it say about the heat that three series and head coach, GM, and maybe head coach get fired after losing to him? Mike Malone's trying to paint this picture

that seeds don't matter. They're really great. You know, look at who they've beaten. But the fact is that all he's trying to do is he's been complaining and doing the underdog. Nobody cares about us. Nobody believes in us.

You know, here we are. We got this great player that people haven't watched play. And woe is me. Give us some attention. Give us some love. Give us some sugar. And now you're the favorite. And you're like, ah, seeds don't matter.

Vegas doesn't matter. I mean, I guess it's the reality of the psychology of sport and of motivating people. It seems transparent to me. I don't know. At the end of your first year, Discover Credit Cards automatically doubles all the cashback you've earned. That's right. Everything you've earned doubled. See terms.

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One of my favorite we've ever compiled here in the herd. Okay, so there's an article out in The Athletic, which kind of takes both sides. sides into what happened, the breakdown between the Packers, the last couple off seasons and Aaron Rogers. DeAndre Hopkins on the market, lots of teams talking about kicking the tires, but what's his actual value? And then there's the Jimmy Garoppolo situation

where he's got a contract that's not really insured. He had another surgery, another injury, and could Tom Brady be looming if Jimmy G at some point in time gets hurt because, well, he's, he's Jimmy G. No one would know more than our next guest. His name is Daniel Jeremiah. He's an NFL analyst. He co-host Move the Sticks, which is a really good podcast.

And you also see him on the NFL draft with the NFL network, and you can hear him call Chargers games on our sister station here in Los Angeles. DJ, let's start in Vegas. Jimmy Garoppolo has had just a litany of injuries. but what's your reaction to this story that's come out recently about the additional surgery that he had? Well, two things, Doug. Number one, it explains where there was a little bit of a delay when they were getting the deal done. So that makes some sense.

I would be worried about Jimmy Garapolo staying healthy without even having that information just based off of his track record. So, you know, to me, it sounds like they're kind of cover. covering their covering themselves in case this is not something that they feel good about as we get closer towards the season. I would not have a high degree of confidence if I were a Raider fan that you're going to see, you know, Jimmy Garoppel for a full schedule, even before this information came out. So that doesn't really change my thinking from that standpoint. And then on the Brady stuff, I don't buy anything about Tom Brady coming back. Tom Brady's only cared about one thing his whole career, which is about legacy and championships. And he's smart enough to know that that is not a championship,

roster, it might not be a playoff roster. Why do you think he's buying into part of a team that, I can't, I know Mark Davis has never been cash heavy, but they're obviously making a lot more money in Vegas. Why would that be the team that he invested? Probably because he got the best deal, you know. I think that, you know, there was a, there was a want and a desire on Mark Davis's end to have Tom Brady associated with him. and I'm sure, you know, just that he sees value,

maybe some other teams don't just in terms of that association. So that's what it looks like to me on the outside. I don't know how many people want to part with, you know, with ownership shares in the way these teams are raking in money. Maybe he was a little more willing to give him a little more, a little more juice there than the other teams. Okay, help me out with this one. Dana Jeremiah is our guest.

DeAndre Hopkins. what's what's his value i think it's look i don't think it's a it's a situation where there should be a ton of bidders in this i think it's very select teams and i really think it comes down to two that makes sense um and it's in a short-term basis but it's it's the two teams that are going to be slugging it out in the a fc with buffalo and kansas city um those are the two that i can make sense of it i think it makes sense for him to go pair up with one of those two guys and see if he can have a really good year and get somebody else to give him maybe a little bit more

of a long-term commitment. I don't think he's nearly the player that he was, but I think those offenses, the way they're designed and with those quarterbacks, they'll be able to get it out of him for a year. So those are the two teams that make the most sense, and it has to make the most sense on a short-term basis where everybody gets what they want out of this deal.

Yeah. Can he still run? No, but he's one of the best contested catch receivers. that we've had in the last 20 years. So that was never, you know, he was never a blazing fast guy. That was never the key part of his game. He's won on back shoulder throws, contested catches down the field. That's who he is, and that should age a little bit better than somebody that was speed, you know, reliant. Is he as precise as a Keenan Allen?

No. No, I don't think he's that, he's not that type of a rut runner. Keenan, neither one of those guys are fast. Right. Keenan can still separate because of what he does as a route runner. He is a technician as a route runner. DeHop has been more about just kind of, he was a good route runner. He's not like he's terrible, but he's not on a Keenan-Allen level in terms of a route runner.

His money has been made plucking the ball off of heads of DBs. No doubt. I do wonder when you lose a step that you didn't really have, what does that actually look right? You become like, even the contested catch has become a little bit more difficult. But I would say this, Doug, the answer to that is there's, you know, we talk about receivers creating separation. Elite, elite quarterbacks can create separation too. That's why it wouldn't make any sense for him to go to somebody's other teams. He goes to one of those two teams where those guys can put the ball in a mailbox. You don't necessarily need to have quite the separation

some of these other quarterbacks need. Lamar Jackson got some work in Tom Monkins, offense and they asked him to kind of sum it up and he's like more more throwing less running does that make sense though for lamar jackson who's such an incredible runner well i think that's the plan you know it's the mike mike tyson line right everybody has a plan to you hit in the face i mean that that can't be the plan and if they go out and they lose three of their first four games um i think you'll see them revert back to to using his legs more i think the fact that you've paid him now. I think that, I think honestly, it makes an easier conversation to have. In the past, working year to year, if you're Lamar Jackson, you're like, guys, I mean, come on, you guys are

going to run me into the ground. You're going to kill my value and my health is a concern. I think the fact that they have that commitment in place, the long-term commitment, and he's been taken care of, I would think it should be a simple conversation of, hey, this is what we want to do. We want to throw the ball more than we have. We don't want you to run it as much. Maybe, you know, When you see opportunities that present themselves off past plays, you can take off and go because it seems to be that's a safer route for a quarterback to take off and run on a patch play versus design quarterback runs. But if this thing goes south, four or five games into the season,

you know, I think that, hey, we got to look at this thing together and say, this is not what's best for us. We have to change. We have to go back to doing it a little bit the way you did it before. And some of that risk that you were worried about should be alleviated, but the fact we cut you a big check. help me out did you see the the article

I'm sure you have in the athletic between Aaron Rogers and the Packers and the back and forth when you read it I was gonna I was gonna call you about it Doug but then I remembered you only do FaceTime and so right well I you know my house my house only one bar

at my house you know only one bar so FaceTime me I just the more Aaron Rogers doubles down it like I wanted more communication but then when they try to communicate with me. I got back to him the next day, maybe. I didn't ghost him.

That's what he actually said. Right? You know, two years previous, I want open lines of communication like I have now with the Jets. They try to communicate with you, you're like, eh, what's your takeaway? This relationship was over

the second that that pick was made. And all the rest of it is, you know, it's just a game that both sides can play, I guess. Aaron's probably played it more aggressively than the Packers have. In some ways, I came away reading that thinking, you know, the Packers might have their cake and eat it too here because they got a, after that selection, I mean, everybody, it's documented.

The guy went back-to-back MVP. You, through that situation, created a highly motivated Aaron Rogers. You got the absolute most out of him. The play slipped a little bit last year, so it's a perfect time to, you know, to transition to Jordan Love, who in an era where we have to throw these quarterbacks in the microwave, they got a chance to put him in the oven and really properly developed Jordan Love. So it worked out.

And then they got a nice haul in the trade. So I don't know. I think the Patrick. And they got Jordan Love. It's like, it's like $8 million a year for the next two years. Yeah, it's not with literally nothing. Yeah, they, you know, and we always say you want to pay, you want to pay. you want to pay guys for their prime.

You don't want to pay them beyond their prime. And they paid Aaron handsomely, but they got his prime. And as these numbers get ginormous, you know, that the Jets take on and assume that risk. Now, I do still,

in saying that, think that the way Aaron's wired and you can see it in that article, you know, kind of the stick it to you nature that he has, that makes him tick. I think you'll see him have a better year for the Jets this year than he would have had

if he gone back to the Packers. Now, when you get beyond, this year, then I have my doubts, but I think you'll see him play well this year. The Jets will be happy. I think the Packers are going to be happy with the timing of how this whole thing worked out. But there's all these articles. There's going to be more that are going to be written.

There's been press conferences. We're going to parse every single word. This relationship ceased to exist once they took Jordan Love. He was done. He was, Aaron Rogers, was done with them, and it was just a matter of time before it ended. I agree with you, but should it have? I said the Packers, the one thing that I thought that the Packers made a mistake is I thought that if they wanted to maintain their relationship in good standing with Aaron Rogers during the draft process, and this could have been two weeks before the draft, a month before the draft, but a call in a conversation with him of, hey, I don't think it's likely that this will happen, but we do have two or three quarterbacks that we really like. that are expected to go much higher in the draft.

If somehow they got around the range where we are, we would seriously consider taking them just because it's our job to look after the long-term interests of the organization. Obviously, you're playing great. But if that opportunity presented itself, we didn't want it to be a surprise to you. And I think that conversation had taken place, I think it would have gone a long way

in making that a little bit smoother. But even having said that, you're still taking a guy at a position that's going to piss him off. So, you know, it's, you know, I think that was the only chance they had at salvaging that relationship. Dana, Jeremiah, joining us from the NFL Network and, of course, also the Move the Sticks podcast, which is on the network. You can download it. And, and, of course, he's the analyst for the L.A. Chargers radio games. I don't know if you heard what Christian McCaffrey had to say about running backs and their value.

His point is, like, look, we touched the ball. He said we touched the ball more than anybody else. that would be as opposed to the quarterback, you know, and hitching three phases, basically decrying about the fact that the salary numbers, the year salary is going down and guys are replaceable. They're not getting these long-term extensions. Is there any truth to that McAfrey feels like

their value is being diminished, even if their value in a game plan is not diminished? To me, it's not the issue of the value. it's the issue of the shelf life. Nobody's going to argue that Levyon Bell and Todd Gurley weren't valuable to their teams in their first couple years in the league. They were incredibly valuable, and they weren't just running back. They were catching the ball out of the backfield doing all kinds of things. Then they both got paid on a second contract, and they both physically fell apart.

That's been the issue. It has not been whether or not these guys are valuable and help you win football games. It's just been whether or not that second contract coming around if there's value there. And I know he pointed to, you know, Emmett and, you know, Barry Sanders and some guys that played well beyond their first contracts and were valuable players. I just think that it's, you know, the long track record, especially of late, has been you're way more likely to see guys Peter out and struggle on that second deal than you are going to see guys make teams look smart by paying them. So he's one of the exceptions. You know, people look at his stower and say, how do you pay a running back that much? well, he's been able to get out there and be available and all the things he does is,

you know, is elite, elite, elite. So there's value. I've never questioned the value of a running back. To me, it's been about the shelf life. All right. I appreciate you, join us, DJ. I know you got to run. Thanks so much for being our guest in The Hurd.

You're the best, buddy. See, ma'am. All right, Dana Jeremiah, joining us here in the herd. Let's get to Jason Stewart with the News. No, no, no, no. Turn on the News. This is the Hurd Line. news. Doug, we just heard Daniel Jeremiah give his reasoning for why he doesn't think Tom Brady

will play for the Raiders. Basically, the Raiders are not a championship team right now, and Daniel doesn't think that Tom would be interested in doing that. Now, Troy Aikman was run down by TMZ, and he had this to say about Tom Brady returning. I wouldn't rule anything out. He obviously, you know, has a relationship with the head coach. He knows the offense. He'll keep himself in great shape. I'm a big Jimmy Garoppolo fan, so I'm really pulling for him. But I, you know, I would bet that just nothing's off the table as far as, you know, what may occur during the season or what Tom's role may be. I think he's done playing. But you just never know. Those things kind of just happen out of nowhere. You don't really predict them.

Now, Doug, I don't know about the Raiders specific situation, but when I think about Tom Brady returning, for essentially a third time. Coming out of retirement for a third time, I think at that point he becomes like a Xerox or a Q-tips. Doesn't he? It's like when any athlete would ever retire after he does this or come back from retirement, they'd be like, oh, he's pulling a Tom Brady.

Like, I just don't see him coming back for a third time, Doug. I don't either. I don't either. He was somewhere in the Mediterranean on a boat. Do you see that? I mean, not a boat on a yacht. It's an interesting picture. I don't think so either, but I, you know, I do think he loves football and he probably likes people talking about him still coming back and playing.

But I agree with DJ. Like, he's only doing it if he thinks he's got a chance to win. That's why the Miami thing made a whole lot of a lot more sense. You know, Miami is quality quarterback play away from, competing for a Super Bowl. They have so many, when healthy, they have a really, really talented roster. In college football, Doug, something's coming up. The SEC conference is going to vote this week on whether or not to change its schedule format. From the eight-game conference for each team format that they have now that's existed since 1991, with Texas and Oklahoma

joining next year, they're going to vote on one of these two options. Either an eight-game model, keep it at eight games in conference, one permanent rival, seven rotating opponents, or a nine-game model with three permanent rivals and six rotating opponents. Now, I guess this nine-game format is a sensitive topic around Kirby Smart of Georgia. He calls it, quote-unquote, the most overrated conversation there ever was. He basically said that if you're asking me about a nine-game format,

I know you have nothing to write about. Why is Smart so sensitive to this, Doug? Well, actually, he has a pretty good reason, okay? And first, I guess part of it is the SEC is like, why would we change? We've been kicking everybody's ass anyway for all these years. But let's take a look at their, schedule this upcoming season.

They play UT Martin, Ball State. Then they open SEC play with South Carolina. And then their last game of the year is, you know, every year they play Georgia Tech. The two big straight grit-land-gray institution. So they have one written in there and they feel like I'm sure they need those guarantee games to develop their younger players, to rest some of their star players, and get ready for the gauntlet that is the SEC. My challenge would be, I understand that a ninth SEC game beats up on you, right? That's what the Big 12 has.

That's what, you know, the Pac-12 has. That's what all these other conferences have. But they're like, we're to better conference. We've got bigger bodies. They're going to sustain more injuries. But the reason, the two things. One, the playoff is expanding. So if you lose another game because of SEC play, not as big a deal.

The counter to that is with the playoff expanding. more SEC teams get in, more SEC games you play, the likelihood it is more injuries and more attrition that you've sustained. Okay. So I would defend the SEC and like, look, we're just going to stick with eight, see what the new landscapes like. We've been dominating anyway.

We're going to dominate. We're going to play people. You know, you all, everybody plays at least one solid out-of-conference game anyway. Does it really matter? Um, you know. But what's the point of expanding the play? What's the point of expanding the league if you're not going to have better teams in your building? I think they should go to nine for the spirit of the sport.

They should go to nine to make more money. They should go to nine so that it parallels all the other conferences. And if you're better, you're still better. On the other hand, I do understand the, it hasn't mattered for the last 20 years. We've been far and away the most dominant conference. Why should we change now mentality? Doug, this is a juicy item. I mean, you've worked with me long enough to know that I really love smack talk.

I really like juicy drama, especially between former teammates. You remember Doug McKavich? He was a light-hitting first baseman for the twins. I think he joined A-Rod with the Yankees when they won their title. I'm not sure about that. I know they played together at some point, and I think it was on the Yankees. Doug Mankovitch went on a podcast and said this about Alex Rodriguez. It's painful.

You know, it's like, wait a minute. Like, do you not forget you got suspended 200 games? And it's like, come on, man. Like, stop it. I get it. I played a power position that didn't have any. Did it cross my mind? Yeah, of course, you thought about it.

But I was like, you know what? I want to be able to walk when I'm 50. I always said that he's going to die a lonely man. Because, you know what, this whole, like, you know, father of the year stuff, God bless them for his daughters because it's going to come a long way. But it's like you're just trying to get into heaven now. Like that's the part. Like I'm still friends with my high school team.

We still text often, not as often as we should, but we still text group thread, constantly badgering each other. And it's just, you know, he's just distanced from it. And that's, I don't care how good or how great you become and how far your career goes. You never forget your high school dudes. Now, Arod sat down with a McKenzie Salmon. on sports seriously and was just asked about this, and this was Aarad's response.

That was actually strange, because I've always considered Doug a friend, and I was shocked and surprised. My daughter sent me the articles, my mom, my brother, all people that really like Doug, and I was very close with his mom and dad. But look, at the end of the day, one thing I'll never do is, you know,

speak poorly about any of my teammates, especially a high school teammate, so I wish him well. What do you make of A-Rod taking the high road here, Doug? I mean, A-Rad's a complete phony. Everybody knows that, right? Does anybody not think A-Rod's a complete and total phony? He is just the most plastic dude ever.

So I think the reality is, Doug Mavkovich is, I'm sure, correct. You know? I'm sure he's correct. And he's just kind of matter of fact saying, like, like, this guy, he just operates in his own world. world. And his response actually fits it to where he's like, I'm not going to punch down. There's no win there.

What's the win in punching down to Doug Mankevich? I've, like, the guy was suspended twice for steroids. Twice. Twice. Crazy. And somehow has come out as like the voice of baseball on two different networks.

It's insane. So the only smart thing to do is to not punch down. But that doesn't stop what Doug Man Cave is saying for being probably the most accurate thing uttered about. That's Jason Stewart with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. I was surprised. I always thought we were really good friends. I was close with his mom and dad. Yeah, that's a low one. I was close with his family. I was close with his mom and dad. No, no, you weren't. No.

The follow-up should have been, what's his mom and dad's name? What's his mom's dad's name? They still live? What do they live? You have their seven, what's the last time you talk to them? Because if you're close to somebody, like close to somebody, is close to somebody. What teams do we love to see lose? That's next.

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Um, you know, I was, I was trying to, I was trying to figure if there is any enjoyable parts to a game seven, uh, the other night, the game seven the other night,

right? And I would say the only enjoyable part was watching the Celtics lose because, like the Celtics, there's just so much discussion about tradition and the 17 titles. It's like, look, I agree that historically, the Boston Celtics, great organization, great organization, unbelievable organization, historically. But they've won exactly one NBA championship since 1986. one. Now, they've been to the NBA finals two other times, have been three other times, excuse me. They've been to the conference finals multiple times. They've been very, very competitive. In fact, over the last decade,

way more competitive than, say, the Lakers. The difference is, obviously, the Lakers have won far more titles since the 80s. So it was enjoyable to see the Celtics. and maybe the Celtics fans lose. I don't think they're as arrogant. Yeah, you have some dudes that yell stuff out of the stands, which is disgraceful. You have some element to it you don't love.

But it's a really good organization that wins a lot of games. But it did bring to my mind, at least sparked my mind on what are the five franchises or teams that we enjoy seeing losing? the most. It's part of our best for last. It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind to the very last segment.

It's time for best for last. Okay, so I understand like this year was fun to see the Grizzlies lose, but it has to be like a yearly thing. Like, every year when they lose, it's a celebration. Let's get to number five.

Number five. I think it's, I could be wrong. I think it's, it's the Lakers. I really think it's the Lakers. And I understand I just said, well, the Celtics are enjoyable, but not as enjoyable. The difference is, one, the Lakers have been more successful, too. There is a certain kind of confidence, arrogance, but here's the most important thing.

Lakers have had very few. Kobe Bryant's one of the only ones, Kobe and Magic, homegrown players. right home-gone players Shack was in Orlando granted they low-balled him but Shack's from L'A Kareem was in Milwaukee LeBron you know pick one of the two teams

so between their desire or maybe ability to go and just get guys off other teams or the confidence really it's the arrogance of the fan base Legers at 5 Number four Let's see here

I think Duke Zion Williamson was the one guy who changed that, and maybe it's different now with John Shire's head coach. But in our lifetime, especially since they won back-to-back titles and Mike Cheshefsky became the face of college basketball. I love Duke.

Duke losing was a national celebration. Number three. Notre Dame football. Right. Again, like the Celtics, most of their success is historical success, not recent. And recently, they've been quite good, but every time they get the national championship game,

they lose and lose. or at semifinals, lose it's not close. Notre Dame losing sets off a celebration probably unlike any other in college football. Number two. Yankees, 27 titles, and also they go get other people's players, and they act like and are better than other franchises,

seeing them lose this fun. Number one. Cowboys. Fits all the billing of the other franchise. that I had historical success, not recent success. Incredibly popular. Every year it's going to be their year. Some of its pushback on Jerry Jones.

Some of it's push back on how much attention, how they're always on TV, how their America's team, and yet they don't actually win anything. Dallas Cowboys are the most fun team to see lose. All right. That's it for our best list. Any additions or addendums you would make, Jason Stewart, to that list. I think that's about right. But I think Alabama may be in the one.

last 10 years has kind of crept close to that list? Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. I mean, obviously, big celebrations in the SEC when they lose. Now, Georgia has, you know, won the last two. So we'll see if any of that changes. Now, they can, like, do the Mike Malone and make them into underdogs. All right, Doug.

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