The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 3 - The Eastern Conference Finals

Episode Date: May 17, 2023

NBA analyst Jim Jackson joins the show in studio to tell Colin what makes Heat head coach Erik Spoelstra special heading into the start of the Eastern Conference FinalsSee omnystudio.com/listener for ...privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:55 You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Jim Jackson played for a decade and a half in the NBA. He was a two-time All-American. Knows a lot about a lot of different cultures and systems because he played with a lot of different people, the first rounder out of Ohio State. So we were talking about Yokic. He reminds me a little, and I remember Bill Walton very,
Starting point is 00:02:18 because I was a young kid. He's got a little Bill Walton as a passer. He's got a lot of Arvetus Subonis, who I covered for years. Now, I got the old Arvetus, but they're similar because, first of all, screen setters, great hands,
Starting point is 00:02:33 great vision, could handle the ball. Again, again, I got the old Arvetus. But I got to tell you something, AD's is good a defender at 6-11 in the league. Yolkits did whatever he wanted. But he's going to do that anyway.
Starting point is 00:02:46 The narrative that, because AD was such a good defender, and that he would be able to kind of shut down Yolke is just not true, because in space and the way the game is, is hard, it's very difficult to stop anybody one-on-one. It really is, especially when you have a dynamic player like Yolk, that you can do a lot of things.
Starting point is 00:03:06 He's not regulated just to the post. He can get to the mid-posts. He can get to the free-throw line. He can shoot the three-ball. He's depth in picking roles. So you're not going to stop a Yoke. I don't care how good of a defender you are. Now, can you slow him down?
Starting point is 00:03:21 Can you make him less efficient? That's the key. Can you make him turn the ball over every now and then? That's the key. But are you going to stop him from? getting 25 points? No. He's too good of a player. And I think we take it for granted a lot of times because maybe he's a European player that Yokis for some reason can be stopped and you don't appreciate what he does as a player. I appreciate it because I play with Arvita Sabonis.
Starting point is 00:03:46 Older, very similar in regards to what they do, the mindset of how they play the game. quiet, the leadership aspect of what they do is more so what I do on the court. I don't really point in doing, do all of this, but I lead by example. And that's why he's so effective on the court. And that's why Michael Malone can run his offense a lot through Yolkis, which makes him even more of a challenge to stop. The, I will say that, you know, people talk about the warriors. And there was a cycle, you know, the life cyclical, right? Like for the end of the, the NFL for the last eight years, nobody wants a running back. And then you get into a point now where people are like, well, running backs kind of matter, right?
Starting point is 00:04:31 And in the NBA, it's like small ball, three small ball. Lakers are huge and don't shoot the three. And I want two of the teams in the final four don't shoot the three. And I kind of like it. I kind of like, like I watched last night, I watched Denver and the Lakers. I'm like, these are men. These are huge teams. And Bob Costas the other day was criticizing.
Starting point is 00:04:51 He said, like the league is. too much a three ball. And part of me agrees, I miss the Jim Jackson mid-range, the Alex English. I like the mid-range. Are you sensing a little bit like the run game in the NFL, size, rim protection, toughness, mid-range, get a bucket is a little more important. Maybe it was just the Splash Brothers where it always works. I get a sense of it because even when, say, Milwaukee, when they want it.
Starting point is 00:05:19 Yeah. The mid-range is what kept them in the game, and they were able to extend it and win it. But you didn't talk about it as much, but it was such an ingredient that allowed them to win the games. Even with Golden State, in some aspects, transitioned basketball to get easy layups. Yes, it was a three-point shot,
Starting point is 00:05:37 but it was the easier basket's point in the pain. And defense. And defense that beat you. See, Golden State, what happened with them this year, their margin of error was slimmer. Right. Meaning they were a high turnover team, even when they went and won.
Starting point is 00:05:49 championships. They didn't get to the free throw line as much as their opponent. But because they were so potent it offensively, their bench was better in regards to more production. Defensively, they were better. They were able to overcome those turnovers or being at a deficit from the free throw line. But the way the game is trending is interesting is that yes, it's physical is big, but it's not your conventional post-up player. It's still picking pop, guys rolling to the basket, but I don't know if we'll get back to a Shaquille O'Neill 15, 20 times in the post. A little bit different. Yeah, the back to the basket guy is kind of, yeah, Yokic is so layered.
Starting point is 00:06:28 And by the way, Anthony Davis, he'll turn and he wants to turn on you. Well, look at Embed. Embed, should be a guy. The back to the basket. But because it's easier to double team that way, you cut down on spacing, you shrink the court in regards to being able to drive. coaches in the analytics say we need the court open a little bit more. That's why you see it in B'd moving from the elbow to the mid-post.
Starting point is 00:06:53 And I know a lot of purists get frustrated at it, okay, in regards to he should just be in the post. Well, in today's world, that's not it. Listen, in any sport, baseball, you want more home runs. Why? Because it's more exciting. In hockey, you want more goals. We want the game to be faster. In football, you don't think Joe Montana, you don't think,
Starting point is 00:07:13 the quarterbacks back then wanted to throw the ball 40, 50 times? Of course it did. So the numbers would be different. So all of the game, today's professional athletes in sports have grown to look at things a little bit differently than we did in the past. That doesn't make it right or wrong. It just is what it is at this time. So I look, let's say, and most people think the Celtics will beat the heat, just a talent
Starting point is 00:07:38 disparity. And let's say they do. They get to the finals and lose to a Denver Lakers. there's the argument that, okay, we know Tatum and Brown are very good. They're never great. So if they win a title, they'll both get their max money, probably, and move on, right? That's what'll happen. You won't break it up.
Starting point is 00:07:56 But if they did lose to a Denver, because I don't think they're the perfect tandem, I think they're good. But I do think sometimes Brown's more aggressive. And at times, Tatum kind of lets him, him and Marcus smart, Jalen and Marcus are just more aggressive guys than Tatum. Tatum's more talented. So let's say they don't win, and many subscribe to the Celtics of the best
Starting point is 00:08:21 team left. But if they didn't win, would you sign Brown and Jalen to a max, or would you consider breaking it up? Well, here's one thing. How do they lose? It's a question. Okay, it's good point. Okay, because look at the Knicks. If you were to told Nix fans that they get to the second round of the playoffs
Starting point is 00:08:37 at the beginning of year, they'll love it. Upset Cleveland. Upset Cleveland. But it's because they lost to a quote-unquote eight seed Miami and how they lost that people were disappointed. That's right. But yet and still they exceeded any kind of expectation they had for the year. The thing with Boston is, look, see, they've been in the Eastern Conference Finals the last four or five years, whatever it is.
Starting point is 00:09:00 So now it's time for them to win it. Now if they lose to a Lakers or Denver team and it's four to one. And Tatum shrinks and you can't get the ball. Now it's a lot easier to do it. Now if they go to a seven-game series against a Denver who was the number one, seed all the way through the playoffs, then this different scenario. Now, it always seems like, is it just me,
Starting point is 00:09:21 is Jalen Brown's the name? Oh, it's not Jason Tatum, not anybody else. It's Jalen Brown. What is the organization going to do with him? Yeah. Is he happy? They're going to keep Tatum. They're going to keep Tatum.
Starting point is 00:09:32 Tatum's not going anywhere. The question is, and I talk to, just being on the road, being able to talk to Jason Tatum, and also Jalen Brown and people in the organization, those two have forged a relationship a lot better than people think in regards to relying on each other. Listen, at a young age,
Starting point is 00:09:51 and I've been through it with Jamal and myself when I was in Dallas, and ours were short-lived, okay, because I got injured, he got injured. Everybody's trying to jockey for a position and trying to prove themselves as a young player. They've been fortunate if they've had early success. I didn't. They've had early success being able to get to Eastern Conference Finals in the championship game,
Starting point is 00:10:12 stuff like that. The question comes down to organizational-wise is Joe Missoula the right coach, even though they extended it. There's a still question about that. What moves are going to be made to Al Holford is going to kind of leave a little bit. Yeah, Horford's older.
Starting point is 00:10:31 But I love Brogden on what he can bring stability-wise. So the core is there. The question is, and Jalen Brown has said all the right things, that's the key. Everybody else I think is stabilizing in place. To me is Jalen Brown. So I want to go to Victor Webb and Yama. I'm hearing last night I'm watching
Starting point is 00:10:48 Woj's on the air and Wojah's like his sources are saying this is the best prospect ever and that's a heavy class. There's the shack and Matt. There's a lot of cream. LeBron. Come on. I mean Now here's my thing. When I years ago, when I used
Starting point is 00:11:04 to say I worry about small quarterbacks. I got all this pushback. Now everybody's like Tua, Kyla Murray. It's like and also say that. I said this with Chet Hongren. I look at the body. And people go, well, and Bede was thin and Janus was, Janus is a weird body. It never gets hurt until recently had a back thing. But I look at Wembe Nyama. He's 7.3. People think he's still growing. Are we, because he's so offensively unique, are we going crazy here? Do you look at that body
Starting point is 00:11:36 and think, you can push him around? He won't be able to defend smaller guys who are quicker. What do you see? I see a very, a very, talented player who's played in a physical league in Europe. Yeah, that helps. The game is different whereas not as physical. He doesn't have to pound up against guys. Depending on what organization and franchise and how the roster is built, he may not have to guard a yokeage and imbid, things like that,
Starting point is 00:12:03 because you can guard him with a smaller forward and double team. So he may- Canvon Looney over. Well, look at Hachemore last night. Okay, they moved them over to Yolkij. And then they brought AD over the double team, because you got a bigger double team. So now AD doesn't have to absorb the pounding. So it's ways to get around it.
Starting point is 00:12:22 Listen, you always figure out ways to nitpick a player that comes in. No question. Always, whether he's too thin, he can't shoot, he can't. Andrew Luck. They said he didn't have good enough arms. Exactly. It's always because that protects yourself against something that happens if he doesn't succeed. Okay, because there's always, well, he's a little, Kevin Durand is thin.
Starting point is 00:12:41 He's been thin his whole life. Okay? Has that stopped him? No, it has not. And the way the league is, it's not going to, now, can he adjust to the 82 game schedule, the travel, language in regards to the way the NBA plays? That right there, his intelligence, I think, will help him with that.
Starting point is 00:13:01 The physicality part, to me, depending on what organization he goes to, he'll be fine. He'll figure it out. Now, once you get over seven foot, though, the tendency to have some injuries, especially lower extremities and stuff like that, is more apt. Did you ever play with a really,
Starting point is 00:13:17 a tall, thinner player like that? Not like that. No, yeah. Remember the kid out of Utah? Bradley? Well, yeah. So I got traded for Bradley, for Sean Bradley. And he never got thicker.
Starting point is 00:13:29 But he never got thicker. And he got injured. Now, I play with Yao Ming, who was thicker below. Did he get hurt a lot early? Feet. Oh, feet. He had foot problems. Because you got to think about,
Starting point is 00:13:41 the pounding and the weight over time. Shack had that. Shack had that too. Knees, I mean, that lower body. Now, these are bigger players now. But the tendency, once you're over seven foot, listen, man, that's a lot of pounding that you put on your body at that size. And that's why you want to build up all parts of your body.
Starting point is 00:13:59 I think they'll do that with Wiminyama. Do you think the Warriors thing is over? Here's the interesting part. So Draymond has a, you know, his player option next year. And he's got a great podcast. Oh, you got a great part, but, you know. It's on the volume. It's very good company.
Starting point is 00:14:14 He's very unique in what he does. But the writing's on the wall from this perspective. Andrew Wiggins came up. You had Jordan Poole come up for their contracts, and they didn't extend Raymond Green. He has one year left about $27 million in some change. He can opt out this year. I doubt that he does that because he probably can't go to the marketplace
Starting point is 00:14:34 and get that money. Golden State has to deal with the fact that they're in salary cap, and they had to pay the repeater tax, meaning that the last three or four years, they've been over the caps so they had to pay the luxury tax. Do they want to continue to pay that? So there's one more year left.
Starting point is 00:14:50 The option is on Dreyman. I don't think he opts out, but I don't think after that the Golden State Warriors can afford to up him for another three or four years or extend him. And I think they may have to move on just because of everything that's happened.
Starting point is 00:15:04 They can't pay him like that. Hey, you did the Nick Heat series. Be sure to catch Live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds, I was having trouble.
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Starting point is 00:16:24 The Clivered Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need. to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here.
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Starting point is 00:17:34 Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. People. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Miami's got like four undrafted guys.
Starting point is 00:17:52 Yeah. I mean, you watch them and you're like, it's Jimmy Butler. Bam's inconsistent scoring. So everybody's like, they have no chance to win this series. And I'm like, Spowe's going to steal two games. Yes. Can you just tell me something? What is it?
Starting point is 00:18:03 You're a smart guy. Most believe Spolster is the best coach now in the league. What does he do to make up talent gaps? When you watch him, what do you see he does? Well, first of all, I have a different relationship because when I played in Miami Spo was our film guy. He handled the video and film. Lil Spoh.
Starting point is 00:18:20 Lil Spoh. That was Lil Spoh. So his dynamic of being able to understand players in their mentality by breaking down film and watching Pat Riley and watching the adjustments and watching and listening to players over that, think about where he came from. He had to hear all the good stuff and all the best. suffering players, what players liked him, what they didn't like, whether it was communication, in-game adjustments, whatever it may be. So by starting from that level, he has a plethora of
Starting point is 00:18:48 knowledge that he uses now, his in-game adjustments, how he respects his team in regards to professionalism like Pat Riley. See, one thing about Miami is this. You treat you like a pro. Now, it's changed a little bit more. You can't be as stringent as Pat Riley was, but there's an aura over that franchise. When you come in, this is how we get things done. And Spow has proven, going through all the stuff with LeBron, can he coach, he's a LeBron's team, can he, if the Bron will get him out of there. He weathered all of that because he's a student of the game. And that's what makes him special because not only his game planning, but his in-game adjustments, whether that's out of a timeout at halftime is what really
Starting point is 00:19:32 makes him a special coach. And why longevity-wise, he's been able to last through it. Now, He's had some challenges in his past in Miami, but the beauty about the heat, they just don't let go to string. They believe in you. So with that, Spo believes in his players. He has open conversations with him, hence they're in the Eastern Conference Finals.
Starting point is 00:19:53 Yeah, he's got an, they call it EQ. He's got an emotional intelligence. Big time, big time, Colin. Big time. Yeah, he can deal with needy players, old players, kids. I mean, Tyler Hero was going sideways. He said the Miami Nightlife, he reeled it back in. He and LeBron had battles.
Starting point is 00:20:13 Icon stars. But how you handle that in those situations, are you doing the things that put players in positions to be successful? Players may not like some of the answers they get, but are you being honest with them and do you put them in a situation where if you do the things I ask you to do, now you have a chance to contribute. See, a lot of coaches can say, I need you to do A, B, C, and D.
Starting point is 00:20:37 and you do them and you still don't get a chance. So now players don't trust you. The trust you build up is because you're held accountable, but you hold your team accountable one through 15. Yeah. And when you do that, it's hard. It's very hard with superstars. But if you do that, if you hold one through 15 accountable,
Starting point is 00:20:56 everybody else tends to fall in line. Now makes your job easier as a coach to get on a Jimmy Butler. Okay? Now you can get on a Tyler Hero. Now you can get on a Gabe Vincent. everybody understands. Oh, he got on Jimmy, too. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:11 Jim Jackson, that kind of emotional intelligence to reel you back in. Yeah, he's still hooping over there. I mean, he's right out of junior college. He's loose. I think Jason is still living that dream. I don't know what it is. He went a 10-day or something like that. I don't know what it is.
Starting point is 00:21:27 I love it. Hey, we were talking earlier. Jamal Murray, how good has he been? And we think he's a better player than Reggie Miller is. Stop it. Colin? No, but you can't compete. That's so different.
Starting point is 00:21:41 Because one guy's already in the hall. Well, no, one plays with the ball in his hand, the other one does it. That's key. The modern players are more offensively minded and one-on-one could take anyone. But I'm not going to say more offensively mind. You don't think that George Gervyn or David Thompson or Doug? George Gervyn. We're offensively minded.
Starting point is 00:21:59 They were. Not Reggie Miller, though. Yes, he was. But he did it. Here's the thing. He did it in a different way because it back then, if you shot two, or three, three-point or four, that was a lot. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:09 You know what I mean? See, Larry Bird, if you shot two or three, that was a lot of three-pointers back then. So the mentality was so different in how you got your points. And that's why I say it's hard for you to transfer, take a step and put them back in the 70s or 80s. Just that you don't know how to. You can't take. Michael Jordan-o has said that.
Starting point is 00:22:26 You can't take his game because growing up back then, he would have learned how to play the game much differently. Yeah. So he wouldn't have been shooting 40-foot three-pointers. I will say this. Larry Bird is one of those rare players that may have been better today than years ago. He was almost born too early.
Starting point is 00:22:43 Larry will ever... He would take six threes, make three... I mean, Larry is one of those guys that the culture back then hurt him a little. What did too, because, you know, Larry didn't take care of his body either back then. Nobody did. You think about if Larry grew up
Starting point is 00:22:57 and had the same thing and can take care of his body longevity and career-wise, because on the back end, because of his back, he was limited. Yeah. Jim Jackson. Do I take a break? What do I do here?
Starting point is 00:23:08 Oh yeah, I got to go bright. I like when I do these 20-minute hours who's where I'm at. Good stuff, Jim. All right, you got it. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, I'm Doug Gottlie.
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Starting point is 00:23:36 You download it, you listen to it, I think you like it. Listen to All Ball with Doug Ghalib on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably
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Starting point is 00:24:21 Yep, that's me. Clipper Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.
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Starting point is 00:26:29 J-Mack with the news. No, no. This is the herd line news. We know it's going to be a crazy NBA seller, okay? So Chris Haynes, you know, reporter for Bleacher Report, just dropped a story saying, among other bombshells, that James Hardin will decline his option, $35 million to become a free agent. We kind of knew that was coming. But in the story, Chris Haynes says James Hardin wants a four-year deal.
Starting point is 00:26:59 Four years. Who's given James Hardin four years? A bad GM? Lots of them. Hardin is looking for a competitive roster, and get this, wants the basketball freedom to be himself. Now, to defend that, when I joined this show, I told them, I need to, the speaking freedom to be J. Mack. I need to be myself. Yeah. And we're like, sure, do you? Go ahead, decline my option. See what works out for you there, pal. Listen, this Hardin stuff is crazy. And Colin, also in the story, Chris Haynes is reporting.
Starting point is 00:27:28 Like, right now, Portland is making the number three pick available because they want to, to get a player in to help Damien Lillard. So we got James Hardin wanting a four-year deal. The Blazers have a star and dame, two very good young players we both like. But they're also guards. Well, they've been looking for a wing for a field, like a decade. Okay. So I would trade that pick and get a real wing.
Starting point is 00:27:51 The problem is, like, where are you going to find that wing? Like, Brooklyn has a kid, Mikhail Bridges. Are they parting with Bridges who went off once he went to Brooklyn? He's a really good player. No, I would you trade the number. I would say, give me Mikhail Bridges. and a pick, and I would give you the third pick. Give me McAil Bridges and a pick.
Starting point is 00:28:09 Bridges is already very good. That's right. The number three player in the draft is a lottery pick. So, McHale Bridges and another pick. And Portland would have to give, you know, a poo-po-po-platter-asselary to matchup. Because they've got two young guys. Now they need an established guy with a star, and then Portland next year is a playoff team. Now, if you think you can do better.
Starting point is 00:28:28 The West is stacked, man. The Lakers were, what, seven? Golden State was six? Like, it, the West is loaded. Portland needs... How about Paul George for a number three pick? Well, I looked at the clippers that I'm like, are they going to be bottoming out, going into a new building level?
Starting point is 00:28:45 Norman Powell and Paul George, interesting. For what? I don't know. I don't know about that. Norman Powell, I like him, but Portland's going to have a problem. Portland already had him. Like, you're not going to get a start. Julius Randall, would he qualify?
Starting point is 00:29:00 All-N-B-A guy, I think once or twice? All-Star? I don't know if that moves the needle. Well, again, but you've got, they're guard heavy, right? With Dame and the kids. Dames, Simons, and Sheld. So what you need is a,
Starting point is 00:29:11 you need a wing to a four, and so Dames's going to take, Simons and Dame are going to do a lot of the scoring. Randall can give you 18. It's not a terrible idea, but what do you send back? Well, what are you going with that? You ain't winning the title. You're not getting to the conference finals.
Starting point is 00:29:27 Not in the West. Well, you're asking for, I mean, again. But that's why I do the opposite. I say, we're not. making the conference finals. We're not doing it. We're not making the NBA finals. I'm moving on from Dame. Thank you for your service. And I would move him and start to rebuild around young guys. You're not going to, what are you doing with Damon Julius Randler? Dame and Carl Anthony Town. Well, no. How about Dame and McAil Bridges? And those and Simons and the other kid we like.
Starting point is 00:29:51 Okay. And a pick. Are they better than Booker and Durant? Well, they're going to last longer. Are they better than Yoakich and Company? No, they're not close. LeBron and AD. Well, again, LeBron's in year 20. Memphis, the number two seed. Maybe we'll see what happens with John Moran. Now, the Lakers are interesting. Could the Lakers go?
Starting point is 00:30:11 They're not giving up AD for the number. No, not AD. Who? Austin Reeves. I was going to say Austin Reeves. Have fun with that. Well, but you'd need more than Austin Reeves. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:24 I mean, the number three pick is not helping Portland instantly get better. Of course not. Right. But what team, I mean, basically ask yourself, who's in a rebuild and wants that number three pick? But they have a really nice player. Because Portland wants the win now. Bradley Beale does nothing for them.
Starting point is 00:30:43 He's another guard. That's right. So the Julius Randall Conversation, Mikhail Bridges, are interesting. I'm not bringing James Harden over, no way. Absolutely not. McCail Bridges is interesting. It's going to be a fun off season in the NBA. All right.
Starting point is 00:30:55 Next up. Now, this is something. So the New England Patriots, I don't know if you remember this. They drafted a tackle name Isaiah Win in the first round. He was a little tackle, but he was too small. 2018. I believe that he was C. And hurt. Yeah, he was Georgia.
Starting point is 00:31:08 I think he was Georgia. Played over 10 games only once in his four years run with the Patriots. So over the weekend. Talented. The Miami Dolphins signed Isaiah with. And there are various reports. One year. That he's going to be situational.
Starting point is 00:31:23 But other reports around Miami think he could be the right tackle. That's fine. He's starting right tackle. That's fine. protecting Tua. What's wrong with that? A guy that the Patriots kicked to the curb who cannot stay healthy is going to protect Dua. You think the Patriots know what they're doing on offense? How about this? Miami just had a draft.
Starting point is 00:31:38 How did they not take like three or four tackles so one of them hopefully could break through? Well, because they had utter needs. And they didn't have a ton of picks. Miami has one need. Keep your quarterback healthy. That's it. It should be only offensive. I like this move by Miami.
Starting point is 00:31:54 He's a talented kid. They're not putting him at left tackle. They're putting him at right tackle. I think it's a good move by Miami. It's a one-year deal. He'll be motivated. He's got real. He has first round.
Starting point is 00:32:02 He was a good player. Was. Well, he just gets banged up a lot. If Belichick moves on from you that quickly. Oh, excuse me. Belichick, who couldn't find... He just signed Judeo Smith-Schuster to a three-year deal. Andy Reid said, thanks for the one good year.
Starting point is 00:32:15 Bye. You're giving Belichick credit for knowing offense. Now that Dante Scarnacki has gone, the O-line's not as good. He can't draft and develop an offensive skill player. Not a tight-end or a receiver. I think Miami stole Isaac. Say it right there. You want a right tackle.
Starting point is 00:32:31 Go get the kid from the Bengals, Jonah Williams, who wants out. Go save your quarterback from getting destroyed. Bengals want him. They don't want to move him. And Jonah doesn't want to play right tackle when he wants to get paid. Yeah, Isaiah win. I get one year a talented right tackle who was drafted as a left tackle. Basically, they're playing musical chairs on the offensive line again.
Starting point is 00:32:50 Come on. They've been doing this for three years, man. It's not working. I'll tell you something. Between that schedule and that signing. You see what we just did? We just turned an offensive line pickup of the dolphins into five riveting minutes. All because the jets are tied to it.
Starting point is 00:33:04 The kid was a first round pick. He's got talent. You just stole him for a year to playoff. He's a first round pick five years ago. Well, he's been banged up. Hey, one time I had an ice cream headache couldn't come in for a week. Sometimes you get banged up. Sometimes you're on the IR.
Starting point is 00:33:19 Vital story, EA Sports is going to be compensating FBS players for using their name and likeness for the first time ever. Yeah. The company plans to reboot their. iconic college football video game series in 2024. After a decade off, largely due to disputes over players' name, image, and likeness, players will have the choice to opt in and the exact compensation is TBD. I kind of like this, huh? Are you a video game guy?
Starting point is 00:33:45 No, but I think kids should be absolutely compensated for their name, image, and likeness. By the way, this is where it all started. I think one of the things that early was spoken about and discussed was these kids were all over these video games, not getting a penny. I think Ed O'Bannon and college basketball was going to be a little. You're going to push that? I mean, it was just, it was ridiculous. So, yeah. Boy, you think Caleb Williams is good on the field.
Starting point is 00:34:05 How good would he be in a video game? Yeah. Well, if this starts in 24, I guess Williams will be in the draft. But hopefully these guys can get some money for this. Even if it's some pizza money in college. You know you're good. Andrew Luck, Trevor Lawrence, and Caleb Williams, a year before they come out are understood as the number one pick.
Starting point is 00:34:25 You're going to listen to draft analysts, talk about this. I told you a year before Andrew Lutz, I said it on this year, two years before Trevor Lawrence, and I said this a year ago. Caleb Williams, middle of the season, I said he's going to be the number one pick. You want a disaster scenario? Jets start one in five. The owner says, shut down Aaron Rogers now. They tank.
Starting point is 00:34:47 They win one game, one in 16, and the Jets get Caleb Williams. They bring in a new coach. That's a disaster scenario. They won seven games with Mike White and Zach Wilson. You see what I did there, everybody? Now he's all loving the Jets and Aaron Rogers. I don't love them, but they're not going one in 16. I'm aware of that.
Starting point is 00:35:03 It was just a disaster scenario. Worst case scenario. J-Mack with the news. The last hour has been the worst-case scenario for me. All right. We're done for today. So I'm going to be, it's a treadmill day. So I'm going to take Celtics.
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