The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 3 - The NBA draft

Episode Date: June 20, 2023

Colin discusses comments made from Ja Morant's camp after his suspension Looking at the NBA draft on Thursday   Guest: Ethan StraussSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Subscribe today, House of Strauss.com, and we'll circle back. In fact, let me start with that. So I theorized that Bob Myers had such deep, visceral relationships with Clay, Stefan Draymond, that he just couldn't bring it to himself to blow it up, that they brought in Mike Dunlevy, Jr., an understudy, he could more easily navigate that because he doesn't have those deeply embedded relationships.

I could be totally wrong on this, but for Myers to leave in his prime was different. Do you think the Clayton, because I couldn't pay Clay Thompson Max, do you think that component is part of Bob Myers leaving? I think that's a great point. First of all, I deny that I had a combative relationship with Kevin Durant. I would say it was collaborative. He gave me things to write about, and I gave him things to be mad at, which he seems to enjoy. So it was very symbiotic. Number one, number two, I think there was an element of that combined with just being worn out by Joe Lacob. He is constantly charging

full steam ahead. I reject the idea that the NBA is cyclical. And God, can you imagine the pressure of your Bob Myers and you've helped build this dynasty when you've got this guy texting you and calling you all the time, telling you that he doesn't even buy the premise that it's cyclical and you're staring down the barrel of this Clay Thompson contract and how you have to break it up and rebuild. I think it was easier to move on. And what was interesting about the press conference introducing Mike Dunleavey,

And I say it as a meridus, you know, a grand old man looking back at it, is I'm not in it in the mix. But this is what I hear from the reporters. They were surprised by how good a rapport Mike Donlevy and Lekub had at that moment. They seem like they formed some sort of bond behind the scenes. And maybe it's a little bit more copacetic than it was with Bob and Joe towards the end where it was starting to fray. I have criticized the basketball culture in America. I think the NFL doesn't coddle as much, but they also have an advantage where players don't come into the league until they're 22 or 23 years old. And the NBA, they come in at 19.

I would have unraveled at 19. Pressure, fame, girls, stardom. It's a lot for Zion. It's a lot for Jha. If you look at the slow growth stars, Janice, Yokit, Steph, it's been much more comfortable. We didn't heap the world on them. So Jha makes mistakes. A second one gets him 25-game suspension to start the season.

season. He and his handlers, according to reports today, I think the league's picking on him. Is it enough? What do we do with John Morant? Yeah. There's something that people need to understand in their maturation. It's that difference between is- versus ought, where it's easy when you feel someone's being unfair to you and you go, well, look, you know, it ought to be this way. It ought to be that way. You're hearing that from his camp, where this is unfair. They need to reckon with what it is. That's what they need to do.

Look, I understand certain arguments. I get that other guys, maybe they go hunting, maybe they're featured with guns. Maybe there aren't these formal rules about what you're supposed to do and what you're not supposed to do. But they have attracted the attention of the NBA. They have put the, I'm saying they, him and his friends, but let's just say Jha, has put his finger in the eye of the NBA after the initial soft suspension for, the guns out in Denver. And so in order to get to where he needs to get to, there just needs to be some

acceptance that really the problem is you. It doesn't matter if you think it's fair or unfair. You need to make this journey to just accepting that there needs to be a change because with great power comes great responsibility. There's so much invested in Jha, so much invested in the American zoomer, the one American zoomer who can become a huge superstar. And naturally, the NBA is going to be concerned with how you present yourself. If he wants to be that guy, he's got to accept their terms. Let me do one more NBA question before we get to your controversy. Isaiah Thomas reportedly behind the scenes working the deal to bring in Bradley Beale and move off Chris Paul. It doesn't bother me. Everybody's got advisors. He was a very good

talent evaluator in Toronto. New York was a mess, but it was a mess for Phil Jackson. What do you make of the stories that Isaiah Thomas is behind the scenes, a puppeteer moving Chris Paul out of town and Bradley Beale Inn? So this is going to be a Colin Cowherd exclusive. I was going to write this article. I probably will tomorrow on House of Strauss.com subscribe today. I think Matt Isheba, I cannot even pronounce his name correctly, but I can tell you that he has something I'm going to call the high chair problem. So, Conan, O'Brien once theorized that the celebrities we see on television, when we are little kids in a

high chair in the TV, hold an unusual amount of power over us. You look at the owner of the Phoenix Suns right now and you realize that he's in his early 40s and he grew up watching Isaiah Thomas at a particular time in the new owner's life. That means, as crazy as it sounds that Isaiah Thomas potentially just has an unreal, perhaps one could say, Rasputon hold on the new owner of the Phoenix Suns, and that has people concerned. Nobody else. Other people can sidle up to this guy. Other people can say this and that. They're just not going to have the emotional impact of being this guy's hero who grew up watching the Detroit Pistons, and it's an absurd way for Isaiah Thomas to have wormed his way back into the league,

but it is legitimate, and it is something you hear a lot, and it's, you know, you hear people whispering about it, that, yes, the NBA doesn't want Isaiah Thomas to have a formal position. Yes, he doesn't technically have a job, but what he does have is influence, and it's through the high chair. So the NIL, it's like any new business that involved money, currency, it's the Wild Wild West. It could be Bitcoin. It doesn't matter. It's a little unregulated.

now it's getting more regulated. You got in the crosshairs of a story about this and a couple of really talented and also, you know, beautiful young ladies. It was some pushback. I didn't really get the controversy. Your thoughts on the NFL, NIL, where it is and where it's going, and is it a disruptor? Or is it going to be the big dogs getting the big money, the big schools getting the big money? Where are you right now with the NIL?

Yeah, it is a disruptor. And we should be honest about that. I believe you should get paid for your labor. So I was not in favor of the NCAA system of enforced amateurism. At the same time, I can admit that this is potentially corrosive to traditions, and now they have a whole bunch of problems and questions on their hands. I mean, I look at those Cavender Twins. They played for the University of Miami.

It's a very strange setup where best player in that team, Destiny Hardin, was making next to nothing off name image and life. but because the Kavanares are huge TikTok stars and one was a starter but not, you know, future pro level and the other's coming off the bench. And they're making millions of dollars. So the main thing NIL is going to do like so many trends in media. I mean, I think you can remember, Colin. People didn't think that you could come to Fox and really power Fox to anything because ESPN was the brand. Well, as technology moves forward, the individual seems to be the one who's getting empowered. And I think that's what we're seeing with NIL. Certain individuals,

especially individuals, it's not just about the talent, but who can hold sway on social media and TikTok and all sorts of stuff that those of us of a certain age don't even know about are going to be incredibly powerful as marketers. And they're going to be in demand by certain brands who are desperate to get those young eyeballs. And it's going to be a very strange dynamic behind the scenes for these teams to balance who's making millions and who's, sometimes making millions, often not even the game itself. It's going to be a mess to sort it out. It's going to be a lot to sort out going forward.

Yeah, I mean, Logan Paul is a great example. So he's a good-looking kid. I've seen him do wrestling. I've seen him do boxing. And I'm fascinated with both. I went to Sofi Stadium and with my son and I took him to the wrestling event. He was fantastic. He was so athletic.

And I tell my son's got a much better pulse on it. And I'm like, he's athletic. and appealing. And that's enough. I don't know if he's graded anything. He's kind of appealing. Big, good-looking kid, athletic, big personality, outspoken. And that just works.

The only thing I, you know, here's the way I look at almost everything in life. Outrage sells. But things change and yet stay the same. I think NIL will empower individual kids. And there'll be some weird disruptive stories. but I don't think we're going to look up in 10 years and go, can you believe that Purdue football dominates the sport? It's going to be the same college basketball and football powers.

There will be some unique players. The basketball player, the woman for Iowa is a fascinating story. And you're going to get these outliers in these unique sports. Do you think it'll make any that it will sway finishes, results, the sport, or it's just enriching, mostly who's already being enriched? I think it can sway results, and I think if you believe that it's something that can corrode institutional power, disempowerment of the individual, then great institutions have something to worry about, that Alabama football has something to worry about when it comes to maintaining their

standard. So I think it's just going to be more of a market. It's going to be more similar to what see in the pros, especially with basketball, where a few people can really swing it. So I do expect some disruption, especially because a lot of these institutions that do really well every year are used to doing it a certain way. I mean, there's the quote that everybody is a conservative about the industry they know best. I mean, they've mastered it. Pat Riley did not want the NBA to end zone defense and was campaigning against it in the early 2000s because he had mastered how to defense. So I do think it's potentially a disruptor. I do think it's something that can result in some of these programs who maybe weren't on top, rising to the top, and maybe some of the

ones that are on top, struggling. Ethan Strauss, go to house of Strauss.com. Fascinating, takes big picture swings on all sorts of things in sports. He's also got the author of the victory machine, the making and unmaking of the Warriors dynasty. Put it up there. That's a very good book. Yeah, there we go. Thank you. His collaborative relationship with KD is highlighted, among other things. My best friend. Yes.

Ethan, it's always good to talk to you, my friend. Thank you. Always great to be on, Colin. All right. Yeah, the Cavender Twins are very interesting. I mean, some people are really good at social media. Like TikTok, there's real talent there. If you're funny or clever, Instagram is more, oh, they're beautiful.

Well, wait. TikTok is very similar. the more attractive you are, the more followers you're going to get, right? Well, but I think TikTok has, there's a certain talent quotient to TikTok. Okay, I'm not on the app a lot. I just know what I see when my friends send me, look at this TikTok, you know, and I'm like, come on. Yeah. Less about the talent, it's more about the-

Twitter is snark, Instagram's beauty, TikTok's talent. Am I wrong on? I don't think you're wrong on that. I don't know enough. I took Ethan's story and his point, you know, you can have a talent of being a basketball player. If you are a marginal basketball player but extremely good looking and all that, you're going to get a lot of followers. Yeah, more than someone with talent. Of course.

Yeah, but it's not splitting the atom, but I think people for some reason are angry that that's happening. And that's what I don't get. We don't think that Michael Jordan's looks and Brady's looks and Joe Montana's looks. Of course they play. It's just how it is. Like businesses know that they're going to move more merchandise, right? most Tom Cruise is good looking. So is Denzel.

It's probably part of it. That's what I don't get the pushback. Like, I can't believe these twins who aren't great at basketball are making $2 million. Who cares? Why do you care that she's doing great because she's an attractive girl? Like, it's just very bizarre, Colin. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Start with an underrated NFL team that I'm trying to get you on board, and that's the New Orleans Saints. Derek Carr, well, look at that, isn't it? It's just a, eh.

You're not into him. All right, Derek Carr is in his first offseason as a member of the Saints, and he's already leaving his mark on the team. Head coach Dennis Allen has sensed a strong energy at the camp, and has attributed to Carr's arrival. Here's what he had to say. You know, the quarterback is the most important position on the field. And when you have a highly skilled player, a highly intelligent player, a guy that works the way that Derek does,

a guy that has the type of leadership qualities that Derek has, you know, that's going to filter throughout the whole football team, players and coaches. And I think that gives you a lot of confidence going into the season. Yeah, it's not that I don't like them. I don't know. It's a quarterback coach league. I like the quarterback. Don't know about the coach.

All right. The first four opponents, first four quarterbacks that Derek Carr and the Saints play. They host Ryan Tannahill to win. Well, let's slow down. Mike Frable's an excellent coach. Fair. Okay.

Then they travel to Carolina. That's a win. Oh, gosh. I'm going to do this. Okay. I got them at one-in-one. Okay. Saints are favorite in both those games.

then they go to Green Bay and Jordan Love. Let's just wait and watch Jordan Love. September and Green Bay, yeah, so tough to play there. And then they host Tampa and Baker Mayfield. So their first four quarterbacks are Tanna Hill, Bryce Young, 3 and 1. Jordan Love. I think Tennessee wins.

Three and one, who's their fifth game? At New England and Matt Jones. That's not an automatic loss. Don't do this. Three and two. Then they bounce back and play Houston and C.J. Stroud. That's another win. So we're looking at four and two.

And I mean, they still have, you know, the division's week, you haven't even played Atlanta, Tampa. I told you, I think. By the way, I think Carolina and the Saints are finishing one and two. The question is, do they get into the playoffs? Does the two get into the playoffs? And the two would be Carolina. You could talk me into it. But I only have two wows.

Miami winning their division and Carolina is a playoff team. I'm going to research this, the number of rookie quarterbacks who made the playoffs. I know Andrew Luck did. I remember that. A rookie quarterbacks who made the playoffs. Joe Burrow did not. Got hurt, didn't he? No, he got hurt second year, I think.

Next up, Damian Lillard. Always preach loyalty as his reason for staying with the Blazers. But his patience is it withering. Portland holds the third overall pick in Thursday's draft. Lillard wants the team to deal the pick in an attempt to bolster the roster and win now. Here's Brian Winhorst with the latest. So in discussions with teams in the last couple of days, the Blazers have started to maybe indicate

that they won't trade the number three pick and that they may end up deciding to draft the player there, whether it be Scoot Henderson or Brandon Miller, because they don't aren't necessarily in love with the options they're getting offered for number three. So that's obviously fascinating based on what was said by both the Blazers and Dame Lillard at the end of the season. So I checked in on the Lillard side of things

about whether or not that there had been a change of heart there, and I was told unequivocally, no. Dame does not want a youth movement. He wants to play with veterans. He wants the team to upgrade fast and immediately with veteran players that can help him now. Well, good luck. He wants a lot of things. I'm not sure there.

I would love a Porsche convertible. You know, like a throwback, like 70s Porsche Converterteriors. That's the only car I love. That's funny. I already know the color and the interior, everything that I like. I like the white with a cream interior. I like the forest green with the cream interior. That's the only, I'm not a car guy.

Yeah. The only car. I can remember. being up in Seattle, 25 years ago, being on I-5, driving a Husky Stadium, and seeing a cream. It was an August day, late August, and I drove past a Porsche Carrera. And I was like, I went back and test drove one, didn't buy it, didn't have any money, but I just wanted to be there. I'm going to say, did you say cream interior? Yeah, okay, I'm changing my tan interior.

That's the forest green and tan. I always get the tan interior on cars because I like that color inside. But like we don't get what we want, right? James's not going to get this, right? Unless they throw a Hail Mary and land Zion Williamson. Like, McHale Bridges is not swinging their fortunes from out of the playoffs to like a contender. So Dame just wants something that's not realistic.

Can we agree on that? Yeah, I agree. Unless Jalen Brown is at... But again, does Jalen Brown and Dame do anything? I don't understand... I mean, listen, I like Portland too, but I don't understand his loyalty. Go win games. Go play in June.

Don't you want to play in June? That's where all the money's at. That's where all your shoe sales are at. And I'm a dame guy. I wear Damien Lillard sneakers when I hoop in my main team. I love to hear about. He's one of my favorite players ever. I think he's fantastic.

I just think at some point, I believe in loyalty to a point. He's been more than fair to Portland. They've treated him mostly okay, but they should have broken up him and C.J. McCollum years ago, and they didn't. And what did you get for it? Bagel.

Exactly. Final story is one of my favorite players in the league. You love him also. Zach Levine! The Bulls apparently are shopping Levine, gauging interest in other teams around the league. According to Casey Johnson of NBC Sports, the Bulls won a hefty return if they trade him.

Oh, please. One league source said the Bulls were focused on getting a good young player, multiple first-round picks, and salary filler if they decide to trade Levine. Another said one first round pick, an established high-end player might be sufficiently intriguing. Now, do not go ahead and poop all over this. Listen, he's... I'm going to give you off. Better contract.

Oh, I would take Bradley Beal in a second. Oh my gosh. 50 million a year for Bradley Beal. 50. Zach Levine's got a better contract, younger. I mean, catch and shoot. Zach Levine is lights out. Not a winning player.

Bradley Beal is selling any tickets for you. Once that deal was made, I mean, I'm sure like sons' interest up. Kevin Durant and Booker are selling enough tickets. Zach Levy will sell some tickets around the league. It can't be about that. The owners that worry about that stuff, guess what? Phoenix doesn't have a lot of sales issues right now. I bet their group sales and their ticket sales individually are just fine in Phoenix.

They were fine before Bill got there. I bet they have sold out their allotment because teams always leave some game day tickets. I bet you the Phoenix, I'm guessing. I bet your season ticket allotment is done. Bulls call the Lakers. We want Anthony Davis and 17 will give you

Zach Levine and Alex Caruso. Time out. Say that again. The Lakers are going to have Anthony Davis and the 17th pick for Zach Levine and Carus. Oh, God, no. That was just a funny.

I would do it and then resign in embarrassment. First of all, Caruso and Austin Reeves together on the Lakers would be something. They're fan favorites. You know this. You give me a trade with Zach Levine, and I'll tell you if I...

Give me some poo-poo platter. Let me hear it. Give me. Again, I think Zach's talented. I have no... I don't think he's a winning player. I think he's talented. Luca, get me Zach Levine.

Give up Kyrie Irvin. Oh, I do that. Sure. He's a bigger athlete, and he's catch and shoot better. Yeah, I do that. Zach Levine and Caruso for Jalen Brown. Boston? No way.

I think Jalen Brown's a winning player. A long time. side Jason Day to be sure as hell is. Zach Levine, next to anybody. Did you see him on that U.S. national, the team that won the gold medal? Oh, yeah. Levine was arguably at times their second best player. He was very good.

And then he had a dunk after the buzzer. Just a casual 360 dunk. Against two, Tunisia or something? I mean, who? Tunisia. Who cares? All they tell Olympics. It's amazing when you play for the Olympic team that you get open looks.

Yeah. You'll get open looks alongside LeBron and Luca. Yeah, I'm a Zach Levine guy. I don't know. Nick Wright liked him, by the way? No, I don't know. I didn't ask him. It's an annoying topic.

Don't ask Buechre about Zach Levine. Okay, J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. You know, now I've been marginalized as a Zach Levine hater. I just don't, I'm not into it. It's just, I'm really, as I get older, there's, I just think there are players that are winning players,

and then are players that are talented. And Yokich, really, is the ultimate. winning player. He elevates everybody. LeBron was a winning player. And Chris Paul, to me, didn't win titles, but he elevated others. Some guys just get theirs. Mello just got his. Well, you can make the Hall of Fame too. James Hardin just gets his, although he's become a better pick and roll player. But I mean, some guys just get theirs. You can get to the Hall of Fame that way. But if I was a GM, and I tended to put myself in these spots when I talk about these stories,

I want somebody that takes all my other players and moves them up half a grade. B to B plus, B plus to A minus. you have said Andrew Wiggins was a winning player before Golden State? I thought he was smart and talented, and that's why I thought he would work within that culture. Aaron Gordon, would you have thought winning player? I didn't follow him in Orlando. Then this is the thing. Guy high draft pick as a number one.

Doesn't look like a winning player because he's not a one. Then he goes in as a two or three, and holy cow, that guy's a winning player. Just keep an eye on Zach Levine. That's all I think he can be a winning. Remember Jimmy Butler for years wasn't thought of as a winning player. Bulls ran him off. No, that's fair. Timberwolves, Sixers.

No, that's a good argument. Your Jimmy Butler argument, that's a good argument. Because I thought he was toxic. I'm like, that guy can't get along with anybody. Then he goes to Miami. Meanwhile, maybe it was everybody else. Well, yeah, I mean, that's a good argument. Tibido.

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Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have age. on the table right now.

Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So we've been talking about how fascinating the Zion Williamson story has been, and he's got a relationship. I don't even know if he has a relationship.

He's got some hookups with adult. stars, entertainment stars, and J. Mack and his youth has followed this story much more closely than I had. I went down about a five-minute rabbit hole yesterday and thought, I'm out of here. Just be careful Googling these friends of Zion. So we're going to play Try on Zion. Where does he fit? What do you think he fits? Okay. Let's start in Charlotte. Is Zion Williamson a good fit in Charlotte? Well, Le Mello Ball is your facilitator. He'd be your

number one leading score. He's from the area, born and raised in the Carolina. I think it's a pretty good fit. He doesn't. Bottom line, he's going to have somebody to get him the ball. You think Zion going home would be a good fit? I don't know if it is, but leaving New Orleans is good. It seems like a great idea. Is Zion a good fit with the New York Knickerbockers? No, because he and Julius Randall have similar games. I don't think they fit. I also think Tom Tibado is known for really overplaying his star. He's hard on his star players, so I'd say bad fit in New York. Totally agree.

Is Zion a good fit with the Houston Rockets? I think it's a bad fit because they have young players and they need a great veteran character guy. He's too turbulent for a young roster. It's a rough city for a young guy like Zion. Is Zion a good fit with the Miami Heat? Heat culture. I think it's a bad fit. Again, maturity. Tider Hero got in big trouble.

Like, they don't have any tolerance there for nonsense. And Zion in a wild party fun port city like Miami could bring nonsense. Bad fit. What about Zion in the Heartland? Zion a good fit with the OKC Thunder. I think this is the best fit. Whoa! Because you've got a number one scoring option, SGA.

Chet Holmgren the big comes back, the rim protector. They have 15 future first round picks. So you miss on Zion, roll the dice on other players. So I think Zion here would be a, let's be honest. As Sundgren is skinny, Zion's body type will be needed with that. By the way, SGA, kind of a thin, rail, thin player. They need some girth. They need some power.

He's a power element to a, you know, they can be a little finessey. Bring a power element in. Okay, I like that. Zion, a good fit with the Boston Celtics. I think it's a bad fit because Tatum and Brown need the ball. They can be a little ball-centric. Also, Boston fans and media are rough. If you go sideways, I mean, they treat their stars harshly.

How are they treating Zion? What about what Dame in Portland with the Blazers? Zion. I think it's a good fit. I think they've been looking for a wing forever. Lillard's a grown-up. He gets away from his issues in New Orleans. They have a young core of other young guys he could connect with.

It feels like Portland's needed a powerful forward presence for years. He's the last guy. Rashid Wallace. He wasn't powerful. Jermaine O'Neill? Yeah, Brian Grant was probably I mean, there was a time They had a surplus

Yeah But they've been guard heavy for years Okay, what about the Utah Jazz? Zion Williamson? I don't know. I'm going to say Good fit Like the Thunder, they've got a lot of pick

So it doesn't work They can draft their way out of it You got Walker Kessler So he's going to have pressure He won't be the only young guy Lori Martin had a very good year Colin Sexton Like it's an interesting

mix of players They're ascending I don't know what kind of fit he is in Salt Lake. Now he's just going to bring that up, the nightlife? I'll tell you this. Pretty low nightlife. I think part of Zion is getting him out of trouble.

That's why Portland and Utah makes some sense. That's a fascinating one. And finally, what if he just stays in New Orleans with the Pelicans? Good fit? Well, I'm a bad fit. I'm going to read you this. Zion reportedly has no relationship currently with the Pelicans organization. It's had three different coaches.

Like, what is no, what if I say, I have no relationship with Fox? What does that mean? He's been there for four years, right? And has no relationship? That means it's a bad relationship. You can't have no relationship. Like, if you see people in the hallway, you don't. Are no players have come to his defense at all online?

Nobody's like, oh, he's not fat. He's working out. Nobody's, like, even defending him. C.J. McCollum took some shots at the end of the season. Oh, no, no, there's, like, he's not really, like, you know, I'm out here playing. playing with the broken whatever he had in his hand. And Zion just... They're moving off him.

It's not good, man. And it sucks because he was... How about... I'm just telling you when he plays. Nike, Portland. So they've got young players. They've got an old player. He's an interesting fit.

Do you remember how dominant this guy was? First of all, he put up wilt numbers when he was healthy. Sometimes you just, when you're 19, 20, 21 year old, you're more influenced by your surroundings. I've said this. When you're young, you want to be in a frat. You want to be, you know, you want to be part of a group. You want to go on camping trips and you want to go on golf trips. And you want, and then you grow up and you want to hang out with your family, maybe a business partner. You don't do that as much. So I think when you're young, I've watched my kids, you're more influenced by your surroundings when you're young. If you're a train wreck in your 40s, you're just a train wreck. But if you're a mess in your early 20s or teens, it may be who you're hanging around.

Everybody's a mess to an extent in their early 20s and teens, right? I think boys are women aren't necessary. Women can be a mess. We know boys are. But guys, we've all got our issues at 23. I'm sure you've forgotten some of your wild 20s in Vegas. Well, I'm not a wild person. Oh, come on.

In your 20s in Vegas, you weren't wild. I wouldn't classify it as wild. Out of control. No. I don't, I wouldn't, I would classify it as, well, I stayed up later than I do now. I'll say that. But I've always hung around kind of safe, predictable people. I'm boring.

Show me your friends. I'll show you who you are. I'm boring. So I hung around. My friends were always more intriguing than me, but I hang, I tend to hang around kind of go to bed early. boring people. Safe business for, you know, like, I'm not going to go out. I'm hanging out with guys who play hoops. I'm playing tennis today. I'm entering a tennis tournament next month.

I know you care greatly about this. I play ping pong. You know, like I play chess a lot now. When are you going to get into chess? Does this sound fun and exciting? Let's talk about Vegas now. Even remotely. Chess is so fun, dude. I'm a backgammon guy. Back. We'll see you tomorrow.

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