The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - Thoughts on Fernando Mendoza, Kevin Durant addresses social media burner account speculation, Lance Zierlein

Episode Date: February 18, 2026

Colin talks NFL draft analyst Lance Zierlein joins the show to tell Colin why Heisman Trophy winner Fernando Mendoza has some red flags entering the NFL and why More on Kevin Durant addresses social media burner account speculationSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Somebody found it surfaced that he had a burner account allegedly, and he was banging up. Shen Goon, his teammate, Jabari Smith, and he was criticizing a lot of players in the league, including his teammates. And before it was validated, my take is I'm not really surprised because I've always thought he's an all-time great player, but like a James Harden or a Kwai Leonard, he's not necessarily somebody I would build around. He's not a leader. He's just a great talent.

And, you know, and that's a commodity to have somebody that's great and wants to lead. Curry, Magic, LeBron, Tim Duncan. Like, that stuff is, most pro athletes, that's not just natural. Like it, organically, they're just great leaders. Fortunately, many quarterbacks

are. But when I heard the story about KD, my take is, I wouldn't be shocked by it. A lot of time on his phone, tends to have little rabbit ears, you know, lack a little self-awareness if you're on a burner phone ripping teammates. He was asked about it

today and would not, he did not deny it, but he did not confirm it. I know you got to ask these questions, but I'm not here to get into Twitter nonsense and just here to focus on the season, keep it pushing. But I know I get you out to answer those questions. Yeah, I,

does it bother me? Yeah, I don't think it's great to bag on your teammates. But I also, I've always said, I would love to have KD on my team. I wouldn't build around him, but I'd love him to be, to be, He could be the most talented guy on the Warriors, but I thought the soul of the team was Kerr, Stefan Dremont.

He was just the most talented guy. With that, Lance Zerlijn, before we get into the football, host a daily radio show in Houston. KD's a rocket, obviously. So how have you guys handled this story? What do you make of it? Well, I mean, you know, we handled it about like everyone else is. You know, at first it was very curious, kind of had my doubts. I mean, why, I don't know, it seemed plausible simply because KD.

has been that guy in the past, but I don't know. I thought, I don't know if I buy into this. And then you start thinking about group text exchanges and things that aren't meant for the public. And is there a chance he could have done it? Absolutely. And I think what you talk about is he'll tell you right off the bat. He doesn't want to be the team leader. He doesn't. That's never what he wants to do. And so I think it's good that they have EMA Odoca. But you know, Colin, this team is not playing very good basketball currently. I mean, they've really fallen off over the last month, basically. And so this is, it's bad timing.

I don't think it's going to have an impact on the court necessarily, but I do think it's worth a different conversation about how we end up viewing Kevin Durant with his career is over. Yeah, I mean, it's an interesting team. Shen Goon's talented, but a Euro, is he going to be like the leader? Katie doesn't want to be. A man Thompson's too young. The talent's there, but I, I mean, they've got a very strong-willed, excellent coach.

Maybe that's the leader. but, you know, it's interesting. K.D. is one of those guys, and LeBron and L.A. feels a little bit like this. They're great and they're talented, but Magic felt like the Lakers. Kobe felt like a Laker. Jeter felt like a Yankee. You know, even when he left, Ken Griffey felt like a mariner. Even though he left, it's like people think, oh, he likes us more. How is KD? How is he viewed in Houston?

A very good basketball city with very passionate fans. Yeah, still, you know, it's still honeymoon phase. So this kind of story a year removed, maybe if he had played poorly in the playoffs, it could impact it differently. Right now, I think it's just weighing on everyone just a little bit, and they're kind of curious to see where this goes. But everyone's handling it okay for right now. But let's see what happens in the win and loss column,

because you know just like I do, the real mess starts when you start to underperform. and you don't win in clutch situations. That's what it really happens. Katie, he's been a great addition. Maybe hasn't won as many games down the stretch as Rocket fans at Hope. But some of that just goes to, you know, they're still figuring out him versus Shingoon, who needs the ball on their hands. And he's not a demanding player.

We talk about the leadership thing. He's not an alpha, give me the ball, give me the ball type guy. And so sometimes he's not going to get the ball maybe when he wants the ball because he's done demanded. Land Zerline, NFL.com, draft analyst, doing it for a long. time covering the league for 24 years. So let's just get to the quarterback and the quarterbacks. Mendoza is a clear number one pick. Ty Simpson, you have late first round, which I said yesterday.

There are certain things men will spend on and reach on regardless. Cars, another driver in their golf bag and quarterback. Somebody's going to reach for Ty Simpson. Let's start with him. I think he feels a little bit like a less mobile Jackson dart. He's talented. He faced SEC defenses. he had some good receivers.

He didn't have a ton of a run support behind him. I think he's probably with the right coach, a franchise quarterback. How do you view Ty Simpson? Let's say compare to a Jackson Dart. Is he as good a prospect as the Giants rookie quarterback this year? I have a higher grade on Jackson Dart, but I can tell you, you know, based on the way I saw Jackson Dart play, I would put Jackson Dart over Ty Simpson. I think Jackson Dart has a level of confidence that you have.

have to have. It's kind of rare for a rookie in New York to be unfazed by that market. And I liked a lot of what I saw from Jackson Dart from a mobility standpoint, from a confidence standpoint. He looked like a guy who belongs. And I feel like I was way off on his evaluation. I think he's going to be much, much better. Ty Simpson, you know, the mistakes he makes, Colin, he does a lot of things that are synonymous with first year quarterbacks, first year starters. He's 23 years old, but he started one season. So, you know, a little bit lazy. with the eye discipline. The feet get a little jittery when when the pocket starts to heat up sometimes. He doesn't know when to get rid of the football at times. He trailed off the second

half of the season. Maybe teams got a book on him. That's synonymous with with quarterbacks who've been doing it for one year. So I still think there's a lot of growth. I see a lot of things I like. I do think it may feel lazy because it's Alabama, Alabama. But I think from a skill set standpoint, there's a lot of similarities to Mack Jones coming out. And I had a second round grade on Mac Jones and my grade on Ty Simpson's going to be two, three. But I do think he has a chance to be a legitimate starter and a good starter in the NFL. It just really depends on he's going to be very dependent upon where he goes and the type of tutelage he gets in that red shirt year.

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What worries you the most? Because we know he's big and he's got a decent arm and he's a great kid and he's humble and grace. and he won big games. I thought he got much better beginning to end of the year. What's the red flag on him? Red flag's going to be pocket mobility. The red flag's going to be, and this is my biggest concern, I think he throws the ball from an accuracy standpoint, a baseline accuracy like Joe Burrow did when he was coming out. It's just, it's really impressive, his ability to hit receivers in stride and throw the ball right to your hands every single time. He's unfazed by a lot of what he sees. I think he gets, he attacks the intermediate pockets, zones. But my big concern, Colin, is that if you don't protect him properly,

Joe Burrell could slide around in a pocket, get outside of the problem, and make some things happen. That's not Fernando Mendoza. I know he's tough. We all saw the touchdown run in the national championship game, but when the pocket heat gets, you know, when it actually leaks inside the pocket, he's pretty much cooked. And he's not real pocket mobile in terms of sliding around, climbing, sliding, which Ty Simpson, ironically, is really good at that. Fernando's not great at it. I think he has to be protected at an above average level and has to have a running game to kind of neutralize, you know, defenses a little bit. I think everything about that you mentioned about Fernando Mendoza is dead on. But if you want to look for a red flag, it's the fact that pressure can maybe unduly take him out of his potential faster than some of the other top quarterbacks we've seen over the last few years.

If I said to you can't miss athlete, and I think there's a couple in this draft, if I just say, said too talented to miss. Give me two guys that you just think can't miss. Yeah, Mansour Delane, cornerback at LSU. I've got him as my highest rated cornerback since Patrick Sertan, who I gave a 70 grade to Mansour. I've got a 6-8, which basically means he's on the high end of Pro Bowl to all-pro caliber type player. From LSU, if you haven't seen him, he's very fast. He's very sticky, great feet, just a smothering presence from a man cover standpoint out of press. And I think he is going to be a fantastic cornerback and one that really gets drafted a lot higher than some people are projecting him right now. And then, you know, I guess I'll go to my

top pick in the draft. My number one prospect is Arville Reese. You know, Arvel Reese, the one problem I have is we have seen guys with the elite traits, elite explosiveness, not pan out, especially when their hybrid players because you've got to pick a lane and see, you know, see what you become. But for Reese, he's been coached by James Laronitis. He's been coached by Matt Patricia. So he has pro-tutelage. Then you look at rare height-length explosiveness. He can come off the edge.

I think he's a very good linebacker. Too many people to me are just pushing him to the edge and saying he's an edge. He's not a linebacker. I mean, I don't know. I think he could be a linebacker that just is a real demon and a werewolf as a pass rusher on rushdown scenario. So I think Arvo Reese's explosiveness, his toughness, he's got a little chip on his shoulder. I think he's kind of, I think that's can't miss traits and can't miss athleticism in my opinion. I think about every other year, it feels like there is a running back

that just feels plug and play in the NFL and he's very good. I thought Bejohn Robinson, Lidaney and Tomlinson, Ezekiel Elliott, Seyquin Barclay. It's Ashton Genty I wasn't quite sure about. It was a weak draft. But I do feel like Jeremiah Love, explosiveness, kind of core strength, strong. It just looks like, oh, he will play as a rookie and be productive. Where do you over the last five or six years? Is he in that elite Bijon Robinson group? I think he is, yeah.

Based on my grade, I don't have him as high as Bijon and I had Ashton Jent he hired, but you know what? I mean, Jeremiah, I love to me, he's not even the most natural running back on his team. I think it's Judarian Price, has better vision, is more natural. But Judarian, a bit, but rather, but Jeremiah Love, I mean, this guy has unbelievable speed and explosiveness. He runs with an urgency that at times is a little too hot because he doesn't let the, you know, the run blocking develop. Right. But when he hits that hole, I mean, forget about it.

He's got a great spin move, leaves his feet too much. He tries to jump over everyone. But I think that's his mindset. This desire to jump over everything and just attack. everything is what you love about him. And it's what makes him such an explosive home run hitter when the ball is in his hands. And I'll tell you what makes him special. Third down talent.

He is really good at picking up blitzes. And they line him up out in the slot. They'll run him out in the slot. And he runs real routes. So now we have somebody who can hit your home runs, you know, from the backfield, who can mismatch people out on the slot linebacker. So you can't put a linebacker on him. he is a three-down home run hitter with the ability to give you an unbelievable

output relative to where you draft them and that's not something you can say with all running backs that's why you know the analytics set doesn't love running backs early but the output he's going to give you from day one is going to be pretty special okay I want to end it here lansurline NFL dot com so listen we've seen DAC drafted in the fourth round Brock Purdy in the 7th so let's take Simpson Mendoza out. There were a lot of quarterbacks, Lance, Nussmeier at LSU, Kade Klubnick at Clemson, Drew Aller at Penn State. We came into the league. We're like, these are lottery picks. And it's funny, I watch Kate Klubnick. I'm like, you know,

he throws a decent ball. He moves pretty well. And now it's just he's off the radar. Then there's the Vanderbilt kid. I am out on small quarterbacks. I don't, what I'm hearing is, if I said to you, there's a fourth round quarterback in this draft with a shot to shock people. Does this draft have one? You know, I'm going to throw somebody out there that you mentioned that I actually thought the tape was a little bit better than my expectations, and that's Kate Klubnick. And that's, listen, this is all relative because I watched it five times. I liked him. Yeah, I mean, look, he has better armed talent than I was led to believe. He is mobile. I think that he had a situation where it was just, it was a bad situation.

too many bad drops. The coverage got a little, or rather the protection got a little leaky for him. I think Clubnik with the right offense, a ball control, play action-based offense, I think he's got a chance more so than Carson Beck, who has better traits, but I think he's going to make too many mistakes.

Aller, to me, might be a lost cause. And then, you know, Diego Pavia is too small, the last guy to start an NFL game under 5'10, if you don't count Kyler Murray. if we assume he is actually 5 foot 10 was Eddie LeBaron in 1963. Pavia measured in it under 5 foot 10 at the Senior Bowl, but his tape is number two behind Mendoza. I mean, from a tape standpoint, he's ahead of Ty Simpson, he's ahead of these other guys, but it's just, you know, the size is tough. He sails some balls because he has to throw a trajectory to get it over, you know,

over the pocket, over the offensive line. And just historically, it just doesn't work out. And then you also have to ask yourself, does he have the personality to be a second set of eyes, to be deferential to whoever the starter is? Can he take his hyper-competitive behavior and really rein it in as a backup? I don't know if he can do that. He had good tape, though. But Clubnick, if you ask me who is the guy, I think Clubnik maybe would have that chance in the middle rounds. All right, Lance Erlein, good stuff is always Lance, and we'll check back a couple times before the draft. You got it.

Yeah. even that tape on the 5-9 quarterback from Vandy, who I don't like his personality at all as a pro-quarterback, but it looks small, really small. Remember when Jason McIntyre was being so mean to Bryce Young and said his helmet looks too big for his body, and in the end, you were like, it kind of feels like that. And Bryce Young was one of the great high school football players

in the history of the state of California. But it's a good player. He was a good player this past. and brissel. Look how tiny is. By the way, the fact that he said Drew Aller is basically cooked, and there's like no interest in him. Remember last year before the college football season? You know, seven months ago?

Drew Aller was thought to be a top ten pick. Wow, that is a take. I didn't know it was that much of a lost cause for Alar. I watched Clubnik several times. I like Clubbnik a little. I thought he, I think he's got a decent arm. I think he moves well. I mean, it's...

He could be a Mac Jones-type middle-round guy. I think he's much more athletic. I think he moves way better than Mac Jones. But I just meant like not really a starter, but a good, good backup. He went to a great high school. I mean, he was a high school star. He was a very good college player. And he fell off a cliff.

And I'm like, he's not tiny. He's got a good arm. He moves well. I mean, I've, I've, I've, YouTubeed an interview or two. It's like, sounds fine to me. I just fell off a cliff. Is he getting, is it, was it the right system for him? I don't know.

Jordan Love was better on the year before he came out to college. Then he lost the coach or he loses a start. receiver. So wait, is that how much you miss football? You're watching YouTube interviews. Well, before the draft, I watch. Yeah. Middle round picks. Well, there's no games the last four days with the NBA. So there's, I'm sitting watching. College basketball exists, my friend. Come on, buck up. You missed out on Michigan, Purdue last night. Easy winner. Cash that ticket, Cowherd. We'll take a break. We'll come back. Heard Line News, J. Mack, around the corner.

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Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athletes themselves.

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That's the key. He can deny it, but do you think his teammates, Chen Gohury, Smith, do you think J-Mack, they believe it? Because if they believe it, he can say anything he wants. It does kind of feel like a KD move. Unfortunately, somebody showed me a website where they collected all this stuff. I don't want to give it out on air.

And it's really bad, Colin. This is not good. Somebody did him dirty. Listen, man, you're in a bunch of group texts. Right? You say guys, you're not? Oh, no, I refuse to be a group of friends. Don't you have friends?

I once got on a group text with the NFL on Fox Sunday group and after 68 vague ambiguous references to stuff I didn't get, I remove myself. And they were like, well, how come you're not in the group text? I'm like, it's nonsense. My phone was blowing up.

Come on. You guys were referencing stuff. I didn't even know what you were talking about. And I'm like, I got kids to feed. I can't be on a group text. I mean, the group texts are amazing. I'm on so many of them, but like memes come out and links that you maybe not otherwise have seen. But he's slandering teammates.

Colin, honestly, his coach Udoka from guy from Boston, he's no nonsense. And Houston's kind of unraveling right now as a team with Stephen Adams injury. Udoca may have to like have a sit down with Durant and the team and try to fix this. I don't know, like the stuff about Shengun is bad. He's just trashing his own teammate. Who's like an All-Star? Shin Goode's a good player. He called him soft.

And then Jabari Smith, he called worse. Well, I'm sure Charles Barkley's happy, you know, because it's being mean and cruel to teammates. Oh, God. I think of Barclay, I think of funny. You think mean. He's just, he's just negative Nancy. I'm a positive, Jason. That's what I am.

J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Colin, the low-key quarterback situation to watch in the NFL. Are you ready for this? Yeah. Minnesota Vikings.

What veteran will they bring in to help out J.J. McCarthy? Right? They let Sam Darnal go. They let Daniel Jones go. Both thrived. There's some names starting to perk up. And according to the athletic, Kevin O'Connell and Company had to simplify the offense so much for McCarthy last season, going so far as to move, remove, sorry, most of the over-the-middle passing concept throughout the season.

Why? Just too complicated? I think it's a little too complicated, a little too crowded. He couldn't read the defense, didn't know what the linebackers were doing, and it was just too dangerous turnover-wise. Well, this is, who is reporting this? This is according to the athletics, so we could. I'm going to say something.

Injuries, inconsistencies, lack of confidence, this story, it's over. It's not over. Come on, two years. Over? He's like 21 and a half. Give me one positive story. And then why is this stuff leaking? I'll get back to you on that.

Stuff leaks when somebody wants it to leak. Why is it leaking? All right. So who are they going to go get? Aaron Rogers to be the veteran? Tuah? Kyler Murray? Who you want?

I told you. Tuah in a dome is not a terrible thing. It's not bad. Brian Flores is on the staff and Tua and Brian didn't. Oh, that's right. No shot of that. Good call by you. Hey, oh, oh, oh, oh.

Derek Carr, who wants to come back to a contender. I think Minnesota's got Super Bowl potential. Oh, God. Slow down. The defense is ridiculous. Justin Jefferson's still breathing. Skill position players are good. This J.J. McCarthy stuff.

This was the one quarterback in that class. I was like, I don't get a kid, but Harbaugh, O-line run game, they never asked him to lead them to wins. It was just managing, like at some point in college, I need you to take a game over. And I said this with Mendoza. They have four losses at Indiana without Mendoza. They lose to Ohio State. They probably lose to Iowa. They definitely lose to Miami.

Yeah. So they were in a bunch of close games, tighter trailing late. So you could say, well, Indiana had a great coach. Indiana needed Mendoza to carry them across the finish line. So what you're saying is McCarthy just needs to be Sam Darnold, just a game manager. Sam Darnold, say what you want.

Darnold at USC, bad defense. Donald had to lead them to a Rose Bowl win over Penn State. Donald had to carry a poorly coach USC team. For a college quarterback, by the way, Kayla Williams, USC, lousy defense, had to carry them to 11 wins his first year with the Trojans. I want to see you at some point lead and carry your team. Didn't we see that in J.J. McCarthy's first game of the season last year against the Bears? Remember that fourth quarter comeback?

Just throwing dimes. Dude, his last seven college games at Michigan, he had four touchdown passes. They're hiding you. That was like three years ago, dude. Come on. Now, just for the record, last year, Sam Darnold. Was that a good number three years ago?

Sam Darnold, two fourth quarter comebacks last year. J.J. McCarthy won. That's it. Half as much. Yeah, exactly. It's not that big of a gap. I'm not selling my McCarthy stock. I refuse to sell.

I'm going to hold it like Bitcoin and suffer. How's that working out for you? Not good. All right, let's go to Anthony Richardson Collar. Remember that guy? He had like a handful of college starts at Florida, but they drafted him top five. Sounds like he's done. It sounds like, I'm sorry, a recent report called it inevitable that Richardson will request to trade this offseason.

Yeah. I don't know what you can get in return for him. Nothing. I mean, if you're the Steelers, do you take a flyer? He's eight and seven. Completion percentage of 50% in 17. There'll be some. Hey, listen, the Niners got a fourth round pick for Trey Land.

And I think it's the same situation where... But who did that? Was that Jerry Jones? Yeah. So, I mean, this is a young man who, you know what, really beyond... I remember talking to a GM that told me he'd never seen a tape so bad from an NFL quarterback on stuff under 15 yards. He said, forget everything else.

Just the layup stuff, the 15-yard stuff. He's like, I've never seen it this bad any tape ever. But the other thing was when he took himself out of the game, that is just not permitted at quarterback in the NFL. Like that is not having a level of self-awareness you have to have. I feel bad for him, actually, but I don't think there's an, I don't think he has a market at all. Yeah. Who has got a bigger market to me? Somebody out there will be like, hey, I can revive his career.

Mike McCarthy in Pittsburgh? I mean, why not? Mike McCarthy knows quarterbacks. Let him battle Will Howard for the job and win four games in Pittsburgh. I don't know. You've got to figure something out. Final story, Con, to the NBA. There we go.

Back to the Kevin Durant-Burner story. It's starting to percolate even more today. KD. was asked about it in front of the media, and you know he's usually vociferous. Not afraid of any questions. I think he's afraid of this one. I know you've got to ask these questions, but I'm not here to get into Twitter nonsense

and just hear to focus on the season. Keep it pushing. But I get you out to answer those questions. Now, you know, I have a checkered history with Mr. Durant. I do say he is a great basketball player. But there's always a butt with Kevin Durant. I don't know, Colin. Does this kind of thing damage his legacy or whatever?

I don't think he's not going to head set. I don't think it's on brand for a guy that is a great player, kind of an independent thinker, kind of a wanderer, doing his own thing. He's one of my favorite players ever. I'd want him on every team I've ever had. He can catch and shoot, drive. He's a remarkable talent. But I would be surprised if Steph Curry did this with KDM like, you know, I could see it.

So this is video of him. Yeah, All-Star Weekend. When this stuff started to pop, he was just on his phone the whole time. Probably trying to do damage control, figure out who did him dirty. Hey, man, remember, trust nobody, Cowherd. Somebody really screwed Duran here, man. Yeah. Or you could say he screwed himself by making him.

in the comments, but if you think you're hanging out with friends talking to them, you should be able to say what you want, right? Well, people talk trash all the time about everybody, so it's I mean, you don't talk trash about me, but yes, that usually happens. People slander teammates. Why are you laughing, huh?

No, I just, I, you know, it's KD is, I don't think it hurts his legacy. I don't think anybody, you know. Did Michael Jordan's legacy get hurt when he punched teammates at practice? Michael Jordan would tell you to your face. Michael Jordan was brutal to your face. Mike, Kevin Durant is not

the kind of guy that's going to be confrontational. He doesn't want confrontation. Yes. Yeah, Michael and Kobe were very confrontational. LeBron James isn't confrontational. No. It's just their personality. So, all right, J-Mac with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. I don't think it's even, even a lukewarm take. We were talking about Caleb Williams. He is the MVP odds-on favorite. Caleb, not Josh Allen or Mahomes. Well, what does that tell you?

It tells you that if you count everything with Caleb Williams by late September, early October, will he be the best quarterback in the league? Is Ben Johnson part of it? Absolutely. Is the fact that he doesn't make much money and you can load the roster? throw up part of it? Absolutely, but you have to consider those things. You can say, well, I mean, who's the most talented quarterback? Well, Brady's probably not, but he was the most productive. He had a coach. He had Josh McDaniels. He didn't take the most. So like best, what do you mean

best? All I'm saying is the numbers that are out on him. He has the lowest interception rate since he entered the league. He never misses a start. He was unbelievable in the fourth. He was number two to Stafford on big plays. And he's got a tiny cap hit so you can load the roster and maybe the best play caller in the sport. You have to consider all those things. And so I said, forget best quarterback in the NFC North. Are we very early in next season? I mean, he's got the leading odds to be MVP. Could he be the best quarterback in the league? Here's Matt Hasselbeck. His improvement from year one to year two has been astronomical. Like, I've been very, very impressed. They built the team up. Ryan Poles built the team up

around him in an impressive way, started up front. Ben Johnson, his, his, impact on on Caleb has been incredible it's fun to watch exciting uh Caleb's got a clutch gene that that you don't know if a quarterback has it until you put him in that situation if he can continue to improve the way he did from year one to year two to from two to three then then yeah I think this guy's the limit but that's not always the case some guys some sometimes that after that first year of success it doesn't mean that you're guaranteed to have another great year right after i stand correct that he's not the MVP favorite he's the most bet on by the pros and the Joe's. He's getting tons of betting support in that community.

He's not the odds on favorite. He's the most bet. But my take is there's a reason for it, is that people are watching the games. They're watching that amazing play against the Rams. They're watching how he played late against Green Bay in the last seven regular season games. And you look up and you're like, okay, well, he was the fastest player this year in terms of speed, Lottlmar Jackson. He had the longest completion, lowest interception rate, Never misses a start, does not throw a lot of picks. So all those things add up to, you tell me. But what's interesting is when you talk best quarterback, we don't add in play caller and cap hit.

And I think that's the big problem. But like today, if you told me who do I like more? Lamar Jackson or Caleb Williams, I would say Caleb. And part of it is I like Caleb's play caller and I like Caleb's cap hit. Like Lamar, it's too punitive. Josh Allen. I still take Josh over Caleb, but there is a reason that Max Crosby would be a perfect fit in Buffalo, and they probably can't afford it, but they can afford them in Chicago.

So you've got to count everything. And if you do, in durability and speed and longest completions and most big plays, you start adding all that stuff up, you're like, yeah, he's probably a top three or four quarterback next year. And most bet on, not on's on favorite, most bet on, I stand corrected on. MVP. All right, Jay Mack, good stuff today. We flew through the show. And I'm, it's one of the slower weeks. And so, you, you, you said you're playing volleyball this afternoon on the beach in Shytown? It is. I did not wear a second day in a row. Flex did not bring a jacket to in. Wow. In Chicago in mid-February. Now, two weeks from now, it might get Arctic again,

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