The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 3 - Thoughts on the Patriots issues this season

Episode Date: October 9, 2023

3-time Super Bowl champion Julian Edelman joins the show in studio to talk about the Patriots struggles losing a combined 72-3 over their last 2 gamesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He's on NFL Fox kickoff at 11 in the morning and do a great job describing things succinctly. You're very good. Okay, let's dive in. This will be all over Sports Talk Radio in Boston, so let's just do it. So I'm going to throw something out and suggest to you that when coaches have too much power, Pete had it for a couple years in Seattle and the drafting went into the tank.

And I think Bill the GM is hurting Bill the coach. And listen, he's lost, you know, Dante, Josh McDaniels, Brady, Ernie Adams. That's a lot of brainpower. Bill's a defensive guy. Is it a fair suggestion that maybe. Bill has a bit too much power and they need a fresh new set of eyes in drafting.

I think he needs a little help on the offensive side. I mean, you look at the defensive picks, they all look pretty good. I mean, they always come out and they perform the Christian Gonzalez kid before he got hurt. It looked like he was playing good.

But, I mean, we have WIFT, and I hate talking about coach like this, but we have WIFT on a lot of offensive skill position players, you know, starting from, I don't want to call guys out, but there are three, four receivers when I was playing that we got in top rounds that, you know, you knew early. You look in camp, and you can always see from a guy that's drafted high. You see one trait. You know they're raw, but you can see one trait. Oh, yep, that's a first rounder.

You know, you're looking and I was like, what's going on here? That's not a first rounder. I don't I don't know what's going on. So I think he would be the first to tell you that he's had some screw-ups. He's a very accountable guy. And I do think that they probably do need a little more help on the offensive side of scouting or something. But you look at this. I'm still a little shook on the Jacobi Myers departure. We didn't get that either.

I didn't get that. You know, he could separate a little? He could separate a lot. He could run routes. He was tough in the run game. He would go in and block the force. And that's what you preach as a New England receiver. Get open, catch the ball, and block in the run game.

Those are the three things that you hear all the time. And, you know, it's just this receiver group we have, it just seems like they're struggling to create separation, regardless of the reason. they haven't been able to separate. And I've been really hard on Mac, and I've been watching, and it's tough. Guys, a little open, that's still open, but they're still not giving him right. Bryce Young's facing the same thing. There's no separation.

Very hard. I mean, it's very hard when your top receiver's Adam Thielen, which is a really good receiver, but he's a good complimentary receiver at this stage of his career. I mean, he's 33 years old. Right. You know, you want some speed, some guys that can get up, and make moves and create separation at the top of the route, win at the beginning of the route.

You know, there's three phases of the route. You win at the beginning of the route, the stem, or at the top of the route. And I'm not seeing really any of that with the Patriots round. They just seem out of funk. Yeah, and there was a brain drain, yourself included. Tom, you, Josh, Ernie, Dante. You guys are all Hall of Fame level brains, players, quarterbacks. And it's like any company.

They call it brain drain. You just lose a lot of good people in marketing. Well, marketing's not as good. You make poor decisions, and I think that's part of it. You know, the Brock Pretty thing, you're a seventh round pick, so is Brock Purdy. And I've been saying this. Once you're in the room, nobody gives a rip where you were picked. And it's like, I don't know how good he is, but Julian, he doesn't, he sees the field quick.

CJ Stroud has this. Like, I watch him. He sees the whole field. And I don't know what that is, right? There's some guys do and some guys don't. But I watch Purdy and I'm like, oh, I could ride with this guy. I know he didn't have the biggest arm, but Tommy didn't. What do you see that you like about him?

Processing. I see that he processes quick. And you have to think about the relationship between play caller and quarterback. Do they not seem like they're just clicking? They are clicking. You look on the other end of this past weekend against, you know, Dallas. Look at that situation. Is that relationship between people?

play caller and quarterback. Do you think Dak and... Shottenheimer? No, Dak and McCarthy. Do you think they finish each other's sentence? I don't. No.

I don't. You could say that about Brock and Shanahan. I mean, this guy, he... They have a lot of weapons, but he's going out and he's executing situations. He's playing on time. He hasn't even really had to get to his second or third read, which tells me that,

like the play calling is right there. You know, and they do have a lot of talent. But, you know, you need someone to go out there and point guard that talent. And Brock Purdy, he's playing his tail off. And his arm's not even where it needs to be. You could still see three or four throws where, like, he's, he has to use his anticipation because his UCL is not completely healed. I expect him to get better.

Yeah. The, you know, it is interesting. I said this a couple hours ago, and I think I repeated it, is that the league's gotten really smart. very quickly. McDaniel, McVeigh. I mean, Sean McVeigh is duct-taping that O-line. That offense is, it's- That's impressive. This could be his most impressive coaching job. I mean, I'm watching yesterday. Let's take that game. Philadelphia, I don't know what the comp is, but their O-line and D-line play. It's just, it's just Canton, Ohio guys. And here's the Rams.

It's Aaron Donald and kids. I mean, it's, when I watch McVeigh, Shanahan, McDaniel, I think that guy in Indianapolis with Gardner Minshu, when you watch a game, do you sense, because of the rule changes, if you were owner of a team, you almost have to get an offensive guy? It's a quarterback league. And when you draft a young quarterback

or you're designing an offense, like I said, it goes back to that relationship between the play caller and the quarterback. and when the head coach is the play caller, I mean, I was on a defensive-minded head coach. You're a culture. So like, anytime we were in film, anytime the defense had a bad practice,

we had a bad practice. It goes. So that's how it goes. I would say, yeah, I mean, this is where the league's going with the rule changes and everything. You got to have a guy that can go and massage these young quarterbacks and get creative. A lot of it's that, Julian.

It's the massaging of seventh-rounder, state. Now, Bill didn't do that much with Tommy. He wasn't much of a massager. But again, is that because Tom could be hard coached? I think I think Bill taught Brady differently. You know, like, they had a different type of relationship where Bill taught Brady defenses. You know, they would meet every Monday for three hours and go over the defense that they were going over. Like, every week. Every Monday, Bill and Brady would sit and watch film, and Bill would give Brady his takes on what he thought the defense was trying to do. And they probably developed a relationship. And that's what Bill's, you know, two cents went into with Brady. I mean, he taught him.

But they did have a relationship. They had a relationship. Yeah. I mean, they were together for 20 years. You tell me a marriage that doesn't have a little bumps in the road after 20 years, you know. Right. Yeah, so yeah, I do going back to what you were saying earlier, right now with how this league is going with the rule changes, with the speed, with the amount of, you know, who's getting paid right now, the receivers, the quarterbacks, tight ends. I mean, it'd be smart to probably go in that offense direction. Now, I'm not saying that a defensive-minded coach can't get it done. but if you're going to have a defensive-minded coach, you probably want to bring someone on the offensive side that has got that whole stick going

with this new, I think it's the evolution, they evolved West Coast system. Yeah, yeah. We were talking about Detroit earlier. So when you have a losing culture, and Detroit's drafted well, they brought in new pieces. Goffs always been a good ball.

He can play. And then, so in New England, Bill lost in Cleveland, lost early in New England first year and a half, and you're building the winning culture. So you entered a winning culture. So you may not even recognize some of the nonsense, but you've had friends or teammates that came from losing culture.

So the lions, a losing culture, and now they got dudes, like I mean a lot of them. And outside of Philly and San Francisco, I watch them play and I'm like, they drag Green Bay. Like it wasn't close. There's probably a lot of little things that I don't see. see that a winning culture has. But when you talk to guys when they came to New England, did they ever confide in you? You guys do stuff at practice. We don't even consider.

Yeah, I think that comes with leadership. In New England, when I first got there, you had studs like Teddy Bruske, Kevin Falk, Tom Brady, the guys that were your best players. They were your highest paid players, but they were your hardest way. working players. They were the players that were keeping everyone in check. They were the players that were challenging everyone. They were the players that were making everyone accountable. They were the players that would always say the more you can do. And that's where you try to flip that. I remember when guys would come, free agents would come, they'd be like, I don't know how you guys practice like that, like how you guys practice. Our practices were very competitive.

Every day? Every day. You know, I mean, it's changed now with the rule, rule changes. You can only I have one pad of practice for like 14 weeks or something. But they were very competitive. We would do tackling drill up until the Super Bowl because it's a fundamental that we had to work. The game comes down to blocking and tackling. And you see so many teams lose on these little fundamentals. So, yeah, I think it has to do with the leadership in the locker room. And if you look at Detroit, look at Jared Gough.

Like, I played against Jared Gough when we were in the Super Bowl. Yeah. and Bill was giving him crazy looks on defense, and you could tell this kid, his confidence was shot. It was shot in that game because he didn't know it was coming. You looked two weeks ago when they're playing the Packers and he throws a pick in the first drive,

then he comes back and he rallies the team down for a touchdown drive, and they went on and blew him out. Like, that shows me he's had growth in his career, and he's become a leader, and he's become the flag carrier for, for MCDC and that whole preach of we need to have a mentally tough team because he's firsthand been a mentally tough player gets shipped out of LA they go win a Super Bowl got the crap beat out of Macau exactly I mean so I think it has a lot to do when you're trying to flip a culture

it has to do with your leadership yeah um I got to ask you one more question so the jags early in the season drops so many passes even Calvin Ridley who's great Baltimore yesterday, just drop touchdown passes. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.

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Is it prep? Is it weather? Is it, are there angles that it is harder to? catch? Is it when you see a team going through, it's almost like it's contagious. Guys are thinking about it. Catching's confidence. And sometimes that was an early game yesterday with the Ravens. They're playing against a team. They should probably beat the crap out of. And, you know, a lot of guys are probably sitting there like, oh, we're going to blow these guys out. And then the game starts and the Steelers come out, start fast. And even though they didn't start fast,

but it's one of those things where it's a confidence thing that you have to do all the time, repetition to keep those things, you know, tightened and dialed. I remember I would always have to wake up early in the morning to do these tennis ball drills against the wall for reaction and change the colors and all that stuff because I needed to get my eyes dialed ready for the day because you got to get right, you know, like sometimes that ball gets on you, you know, you don't want to be the guy that drops a ball first play of practice. You know, there's an accountability factor. So, you know, you look at the drops yesterday. Mark Andrews, he doesn't really drop the ball. That's kind of uncharacteristic.

Aguilar, he's had a couple drops in his career that we've all seen. I mean, so that's, is what it is. A. Flowers, he's a rookie. So, you know, they got to get some things together. And sometimes a game like this will bring them together. And if you look at a John Harbaal team, like, especially with that rivalry between the Steelers and them, they're going to be around when it all comes send and done because they're just mentally tough and they always figure a way out. And they do make it harder on themselves a lot of the times, but they'll figure it out. And you can never bet against Mike Tomlin against the Ravens. I mean, I called it yesterday when we're in the avocado room.

I'm like, this is a prime Mike Tomlin game. Get a win out of nowhere because. No offense. No offense. You know, the quarterback's got a hurt knee. Their defense can't stop nobody. And they find a way to win this game. And that just, you know, that goes to your defensive coach.

And your culture. In the culture. Pittsburgh wins more games they shouldn't. You could say the same thing about the Ravens. Ravens do that too. They also lose a lot of games they shouldn't either, but then they'll win a game they shouldn't. So they're cultured up those two teams. It's great seeing you, my man.

By the way, Peyton and Russ, how's it going to end? I don't think good. One in five if they lose to the Chiefs? Yeah. A lot of tension. What's the exit? How do you exit that? whole contract. Can you exit that contract? It doesn't start until next year, right?

Right. The only thing I can think of, because they need draft capital for defense. But if you drafted a quarterback, you get Michael Pennix from Washington, you have the ninth pick. And you're like, let's just see what we can get out of Russ. By the way, Niners gave up a bunch of picks for Tray Lance, gave it up. Their roster's fine. If you hit on a quarterback, Julian, and you don't have to pay him for four years, you can do crazy stuff. Niners have also hit on a lot of other players. They hit on Kittle. They hit on everyone on defense. They've hit, you know, on everyone except the one free agent they brought in who was

Christian McCaffrey. So, you know, you could have a miss here and there, but when you hit on key, you know, guys. Especially fourth, fifth guy, like. I mean, they've done a really good job of coming up with some crazy talent. I mean, did we all, any of us think Warner would turn into the player he is? He's the best linebacker in the game. In the game from BYU. I remember watch those guys.

at training camp. This guy's doing tribal things after practice, smelling the grass. The guy loves football. And that's what another thing. Niners, all those guys look like they love football. They love football. You look at Trent Williams, their tackle, he loves football.

I mean, that's another thing. A lot of these teams, you've got to find guys that are loving football. A lot of guys are, you know, they love being famous. They love getting likes and TikTok this and that. I sound like Belichick. It's crazy. I've heard them to much. Snap face. You know, but you know, you got to find guys that love the game.

No, San Francisco is an easy. I know Dallas fans don't like them. Easy team for me to watch and like. It is. And I just, the only thing I worry is they're peeking a little early and then you catch an injury bug. You know, that's the one thing that could derail this thing because all these teams that they're playing, they're going to take this back and they're going to learn from it. And there's going to be one team. that comes from, you know, week eight and just starts playing. They get healthy. Hot, underdog, yep.

You know, it reminds me of those New York Giants teams that beat us in the Super Bowl. Oh, that was rough. I'm sorry about that. Those were painful days. These are painful days for the Patriots. Good seeing you, my man. I love having you on so much. Julian Edelman, we are lucky to have him at Fox.

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They were up against the Eagles this week. Julian, any shot for the Jets? Against the Eagles. No. The crazy thing about the Eagles, they don't have an identity yet on offense, and they're still winning games. Because they have great offense and defensive line play,

but once they find that identity, it could be scary. That's a product of a good team, a good organization. That's what we used to have to do early on in the season. We had to figure out our team of that year. Does every team have a, does every patriot team have a little different identity every year? Yeah. Every year.

A little bit. Yeah. You got to see what you do well in practice and training camp, then you throw it out in the first four games, and you take away the things that don't do well, and you add on the things that do well, and then it comes your offense. Speaking of identity, the Dolphins offense, Colin. 524 yards against the Giants. God, they're fast.

So there's only been three games this year with any team over 500 yards, and the dolphins have all three. That's how dominant they've been. They now have 2,568 yards from scrimmage, setting the NFL record more than the greatest show on turf. Don't they have the three fastest guys in the league? They are so fast. I think the seven fastest runs all season.

Mike McDaniel, of course, very humble talking about this yardage accomplishment. Mission accomplished. We had the whole time, the whole offseason, that was our goal was output after five games. Being a little cynical, sarcastic. I don't like the dolphins, but man, he is easy to root for him. Daniel seems like a funny guy. He's just a guy you'd hang with. Okay, McDaniel, McVeigh, Shanahan.

I think Shane Stuyken and Indies doing a great job. When you watch tonight, like Green Bay, if you have an all offensive coaches, or show-offs. That's what worries me about Dallas. Show off. Show me some flip. Like McVeigh would probably acknowledge sometimes. By the way, against Cincinnati, I thought McVeigh got cute. It's like, Sean, run the ball. He got way too cute. That's okay. Offensive coaches do that. Ben Johnson, Detroit. He wants to show you the play he designed. Like Dallas, this McDaniel does. Dallas never, I never go, whoa, that was clever. Ever. Yeah. Too cautious.

Quick word on Tua. He was not great in this game. I don't know how close to you watched it. I was loaded up on the Dolphins, and he threw a 102-yard pick six, tried to force a pass in there, then had another turnover deep in his own end. I'm not going to hammer Tua.

Obviously, he's been great this season for the offense, but it's pretty clear that if there is a weak link on the offense, it's probably Tua. That's who you go after, right? Well, I think you... I mean, Nate McDaniel, he's dialing up great stuff. Well, Tua works for them. They have speed, and he's the point guard, and he gets it to his scores.

So I think, Tua's, you know, I mean, again, I can love Lamar, and I can love Josh Allen. They're better than Tua. But for what this offense is, once they had Tua McDaniel said, okay, we have a distributor. We don't have a playmaker. Let's get him speed. So he works for this offense. Now, if they don't resign Tua, you have to kind of rebuild the offense because Tua's breeze-ish.

Not going to make plays, but he's going to get the ball. He's Chris Paul. he could give you 28, but he's mostly 16 and 10. And so I think this offense is built for two. By the way, San Francisco, do a degree, is built for Purdy. Quick, ball out, see the field, distribute accurately. Remember, the 49ers went to the Super Bowl with Garoppolo, and still they're talking about, oh, we could find another quarterback.

Do you think Purdy's better than Garapolo? Do I think? I do. I do. Yeah, he's more mobile and he can make better throws. Cheaper. His arm is not as good. Cheaper, more mobile, little more arm.

But I'm just saying these Miami holds. that H. How do you say it? H.N. Is that his name? The running back. For Miami? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's running through holes where you and I could get a couple yards. And he's just burning through. And Mostert's got huge holes like Colin. Everybody's open. That's scheme. San Francisco. Guys are wide open. Scheme.

I mean, yeah, this Dolphins offense. Let's move on to C.J. Stroud. I know you've been hyping him. He's been pretty good. This was a corner TV game for me because I didn't bet it. But what was your takeaway? Atlanta had an interesting approach. They did not blitz him. Only seven blitz is the entire game.

They set back mixed coverages, and he was a little confused, didn't get a touchdown until the final drive, which was a great play. You'd like to see a rookie quarterback, fourth quarter on the road. What was your takeaway on Stroud? Good. I'm not as sold despite a couple of good performances. I mean, so my takeaway from what I'm watching,

he doesn't make the big mistake. Well, he hasn't been sacked in three weeks with a, you know, mass unit offensive line, which is impressive. He's playing well. I'm not ready to anoint him like a lot of other people. Like, I'm just not there yet. We'll see. He could probably get it.

Certainly better than Bryce Young. There's no question about that. Anthony Richardson, they just announced he's out this week. So he's the leader for rookie of the year. CJ gets it out quickly and accurately. It's not always perfect, but there's value. This is Brock Purdy. Get it out quick.

Get it out to the right guy. Get it accurately. So CJ's, that's why he's not getting sacked. He gets it out quickly. Who was the better quarterback yesterday, Ritter or Strout? I don't know if you want. I didn't watch enough. I didn't examine it. I was on Atlanta. Ritter made plays. I'm not going to lie. Like, they lost the turnover battle, still won the game. Ritter, fourth quarter drive right

down the field. How about, how about Bijon? That kid is good. How about that? The catch, like, he, he wasn't even looking at the ball. He was looking at the better than he is really. I mean, I know nobody wants to draft a running back in the first round. That kid is different. Yeah, certainly. Let's wrap up with Monday Night Football Packers, Raiders tonight. Jimmy Garapolo cleared concussion protocol. start. I just looked at the line. We both like Green Bay. Two, two and a half some places, I don't get it. Now, just know that

some of these big money gamblers have come in on the Raiders in, I think, three or four weeks so far. I don't know what they're seeing. Remember, they came in on the Raiders against the Steelers. I'm like, what are we talking? I like Green Bay. And Green Bay's got extra time to prepare. You know that crowd's going to have 30,000

Packer fans. Yeah, probably I mean, people from Milwaukee retire in Arizona in Las Vegas, so it's going to be Packer fans everywhere. Or you go out to Vegas for the weekend in October, you know, you leave Green Bay for a long weekend. You leave the Dells in Wisconsin, the mall, everybody loves. The Dells Mall. Dells and 70s baseball.

That's what we do. I just, I think Green Bay's going to win tonight. You want to put a score on it and get interesting? Yeah, I'll put a score. 27, 23 Packers. That's high. Well, I think they can score. I did Raiders' defenses.

Max Crosby and Cross your fingers. I'll go 2016 pack. That would be a dull game. I teased Packers up and under 51. Nobody cares. No, I think Green Bay. I'm fired up to watch. These are big brands.

Oh, Jordan Love, another chance to poop his pants on national television. God, I think he'll be... I mean, come on. He was terrible against the lions. We have to use... Those are a strong word. So leave the fecal matter at home? Gotcha.

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We know Brock Purdy's good. How good is he? And you said earlier, J. Mack, he's a top 10 quarterback. So the 10 best quarterbacks, and I'll count Aaron Rogers because he was before the injury. I don't care. I'm not putting them in order. But the 10 guys who I think I see special, I see stuff and I'm like, okay, that's a unique global trait.

Like, okay, Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Jalen Hertz, Lamar Jackson, Trevor Lawrence, Matt Stafford, Jared Goff, Aaron Rogers, Hurt. Jared throws as pretty a ball as almost anybody. Then you get into that second group. And the question is, is Brock pretty close to Tua, DAC, cousins. Carr, Russell. I think he's better than Dak. I think he's better than Derek Carr.

And I like Derek Carr. So to me, he's not a top 10 quarterback. But does Brock Purdy, is he good enough to be included in that next tier of guys who have gotten a pro bowl votes, gotten a big contract? And I think it's fair to say he's in that next group. That feels fair. I don't feel he throws a ball like Jared Goff. Yeah. What does he throw a ball like?

What does that mean? When I watched Jared Goff in the pocket with time, Dude, he throws it. Dad was a Major League Baseball player. You can see he's got some genetic gifts. He throws a beautiful ball. So we know weaknesses. I also think Kyler Murray, when he was healthy, was in my top 10, but I don't know where he's at.

So I would put him, I think Kyler Murray's got much more natural talent than Brock, but a lot of this is pre-snap, coachability, health, what are you making? Doing the homework? No thanks on Kyler Murray. Okay. My thing with Brock is identifying. for me. We got a full season of data. What is his weakness?

What is Brock putting his weakness? He's not a power thrower down the field. He leads the league and passes over 10 yards. Inaccuracy. But here's the other thing. He's rarely trailed in games. So let's say you trail and they're pinning their ears

back and you don't have McCaffrey in George Kittle. It's a different... So my takeaway is, whereas I felt Brady, we've come to recognized carried New England to a larger degree than we suspected. I still think Shanahan McCaffrey Kittle is a huge part of Brock's success. But that was Dak early too and nobody wanted to acknowledge it.

You wanted to give Dak his flowers when you had Zeke leading the league in rushing, top five defense. I mean, Dak had a good preseason game against the Rams when I said it's preseason. It's not even against start. People push back. Brock Pretty is now like 10 and as a starter. I'm not going to wait to say

he's good. He's good. Is he really good? I don't know because I've never seen him with a bad roster. So, okay, that's fair, but when Matt Stafford was in Detroit, nobody wanted to give him props. It was like, oh, I can't win a big game. He can't get to the playoffs. He never want a playoff game. Yeah, he never want a playoff game. So he was never

like a top 10 guy, but you knew the stats said otherwise. You looked at the numbers and they're like, oh, geez, Matt Stafford's really good. Yeah. So you look at the numbers and there's no weakness for Brock Purdy, Connell. He just does not so far have a weakness. Okay, but he's also only played with one type of team, loaded with a great coach. So we have no, so DAC went from great old line to good. Zeke to Tony Pollard. Amari Cooper to Young C.D. Lamb. So I've got,

I have this evolution of DAC where I've seen the, I've seen the DAC who didn't make any money and had a stacked roster, didn't carry a team. And then I saw, I see DAC now older, less mobile with a less stack roster. He's okay. So I feel I have so much context with Dak that he's a B quarterback on his best A is a B plus. My guess is Brock Purdy's a B. But I've never seen him without Shanahan, McCaffrey, Kittle, Iuk, Dibo. This is the best roster in the league.

He's not a power thrower. He's not making people miss an open field. What he's doing is distributing accurately on a very high level. So that generally tells me, is he in the ball game of Kirk Cousins, talent-wise. Kind of looks like it. He's more mobile than Kirk. Kirk's a fourth-round pick.

I think Brock Purdy and Kirk Cousins, neither's a power thrower, neither a big arm, neither is super-mobile. But I do think Purdy has sort of an it quality where he doesn't shrink in big games. I mean, that's as well as he's ever played. That's one of the five biggest games he's ever played in. And he was great. There was this guy on the Niners who was a quarterback. Third-round pick out of Notre Dame, Joe Montana. Well, different era.

It's fair, but I'm looking at his numbers, you know, first couple of years he was not really starting. And then boom, Joe Montana's dominant. And then he gets this guy named Jerry Rice, who is not a heralded guy. Numbers go off the charts. Like, he also had this guy named Bill Walsh, who was decent offensive mind.

Situation does matter. But until I see Purdy screw up, I'm just, I'm sorry, he's got to be a top 10 guy. I don't see it. All right, we're done for today. Michael Irvin's with me. Yes, he is. He absolutely is.

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