The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - Thoughts on who can win the National Championship, more on Shedeur Sanders, Chris Simms

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

Colin gives his thoughts on who he feels will win the National Championship this season Chris Simms joins The Herd to talk about Browns QB Shedeur Sanders debut, if Giants QB Jaxson Dart is ready to start, JJ McCarthy's last 2 years in college, and more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Very interesting. Apparently, some people are concerned that Matt Stafford, people are suggesting what about back surgery? And Sean McVeigh said today, that has not been a conversation that we've had. There's been a lot of conversations about what's the best method to approach it with. That hasn't been something that's come up.

But just the idea that there are conversations of Matt Stafford and a back surgery. So I have the Rams as like the second best team in the NFC. They're not top eight without Matt Stafford. Like that's a game changer. So maybe I'll get old Brock Purdy wedge him in as a deep wild card seed of the playoffs. we'll see. J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Colin, I think Tyreech Hill is going to be a hot name to watch all season due to his trade situation. So he's been sidelined due to an oblique injury, but he continues to be in the news during these press conference. He's saying wacky stuff. It said his relationship with Tua is a work in progress. I mean, they're like three years. in now. According to reports, other NFL teams are monitoring the trade market for Tyreek Hill.

The Chargers and commanders lead the way at plus 550. He would be a flat-out game changer for the chargers. Oh my gosh, stretching the field, McConkey underneath. Well, remember, they just lost their left tackle. Tyree Kill is at his best deep down the field. Joe Alt's protecting you. You're weak at the right tackle. You're going to be doing a lot of deep throws? I mean, That's never been, Harbaugh's never been a lead, spent a lot of money on a wide receiver. The culture right now with the Chargers is excellent. Tyreek Hill can disrupt that. None of these, I mean, the Raiders is interesting to me because, well, I mean, they've got their tight end.

They've got their running back. They could use an over-the-time. In that division, with Sean Payton, Reed, Herbert. I could argue the Raiders could use a downfield game breaker. You think Vegas is a good city for Tyreek Hill right now? I don't know. Listen, guys who are immature, it doesn't matter where they live. You can be immature in Cleveland or Miami.

It doesn't matter. Pete Carroll can reel him in. It's interesting. The other team on there is the commanders. We know that Terry McLaren's situation. They have Debo. They have a quarterback on a rookie deal. Terry McLaren's the opposite of Tyree Kill.

100%. Polar opposites. But Tyreek Hill, with that offense, with Jaden Daniels, hey, listen, that's kind of sort of spicy. Anyways, I'm on the prediction train that Tyreek Hill will be traded sometime during the season, whenever the trade deadline is. I just don't see him lasting. Like, why would you, everything that's coming out of his mouth is not positive for like basically the last year, right? I think at some point you just have to accept what people are.

I mean, it'd be one thing if you're 23 and immature, you know, people. People grow, obviously. But if you've been in a industry for, you know, seven, eight, nine years, you start looking around. And it's the same stuff. Then you just have to accept that person and stop worrying about changing them. Like the person is what the person is. All right. Let's move on to Travis Hunter, the electrifying rookie out of Colorado.

He had his preseason debut for the Jags Saturday. 10 snaps on offense, eight snaps on defense. Is this him wrapping up in space here? Now he whiffed on the tackle there. Here's what he had to say about his performance. Well, nervous, but it felt great. I did pretty good. I'll feel like if you have more opportunities,

he had to show the world, we could really good. We could flush it right away and just get back to business and know what I got to do next phone. He is, I mean, when I turn to a game, because I want to watch a DB, like he is something else, man. He looks the part, like length, speed, twitchiness. he looks the part.

We got a side note here from the producer. He says that the Jags kicker hit a 70-yard field goal. I saw it. But it does not count toward the longest kick in NFL history because it was the preseason. And it looks like he made this with a few yards to spare. That could have been good from 72. Forever Tom Dempsey held the record who Tom Dempsey was kind of legendary. He had half a foot.

So he used a shoe almost like it was. shaped like a little bit like a hammer head. Who does hold the current NFL field goal record? That's a great question for Jeff. Somebody beat somebody top. Oh, Justin Tucker, what, 65 was it? 66. Okay, Justin Tucker holds it.

Somebody will beat that. I don't know what happened two years. I don't know what happened. I was going to say maybe it was an OZempic? No, that would lose weight. You would lose strength. Something happened about two years ago, and people hit 57-yarders. I have no idea what happened.

I mean, like, two years ago, it was like, 57 was like, oh, that's within range. You used to be, you wouldn't even attempt a 57-yarder if there was any win. I wonder if you talk about the seven-on-seven. I wonder if specialization in the kicker position caught on like a decade ago at the youth levels. People were like, listen, I'm not going to be a football player. I can be a kicker. And you just study it, study it, continue to get better. And now we're seeing the fruits of the labor here into, I mean, you're really.

Right. 50 did not feel like a chore last year. It was like not free points, but certainly within range. Yeah, I don't have any great explanation. You're probably right. It's become a little cottage industry and there's better kicking coaches and there's money at it. And there's certainly money being a kicker, even a punner. Yeah. The final story calls college football. The first AP poll of the season has been released. Take a look who's number one. The Texas Longhorns with Arch Manning. Penn State, who we both have in the national championship at two, Ohio State, three. Clemson, you love you, some tigers this year, four, Georgia 5, Notre Dame 6. Interesting note here, of the last 21 teams to open at number one in the preseason poll, 19 failed to win the national championship. Comes via Brett McMurphy.

So number one doesn't really need anything great here if you're thinking who's going to win. I do not think Texas wins the Natty this year. I believe you have to be in the last, 10 of the last 11 national champions have been in the top six in the preseason poll. Look that up. Ten of the last 11 naties have come from, so that would be Texas, Penn State, Ohio State, Clemson, Georgia, Notre Dame, Oregon on the outside looking in. I think that's it. I'm not seeing your USC. Am I missing them?

USC not even top 25? Well, yeah. I mean, here's what I would say if you're USC. So what are we four years in now? Three and four recruiting classes, three and four transfer classes. USC's got to be a top 25 team. I had this discussion. I saw Mark Carrier yesterday.

He's a great USC Trojan. I'm at the gym. I mean, throwing around massive weight. And I run into Mark Carrier, who is now, the athletic director of a very prestigious local high school. And we're taught USC's at 30, by the way. And I asked him about Lincoln Riley, and we know he's a smart guy that can coach. But at Oklahoma, he inherited Bob Stoop's culture.

The culture was built. We know he could coach. I mean, they won 11 games four years in a row. If he was a stiff, you would go backwards. So we know he can coach, but there is a difference. Like Mike McDaniel, I know. can coach? Can Mike McDaniel and Miami build a culture? And so USC has got, is spending big money in the NIL, big money. They're going buying good players. Their staff, Anthony Lund's a great

defensive coordinator. They've got, they stole Notre Dame's like Strength and Conditioning Coach or GM or something like that. So if you start looking at Notre, if you start looking at USC, you got to do better than 30. Like they, Now, that doesn't mean they can't win 10 games at end like 16th, but their schedule, they've got to go to Oregon, if I recall. They've got to go to Notre Dame. But you can lose two games and make the playoff. Ohio State lost its last game to Michigan as a 20-point favorite and won the Natty.

But the optics, Colin, of USC not being top 25. Not good. SMU and Indiana are in there. It's like, what? That's just unfamiliar territory for the Trojans. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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Every national champ in the college football playoff era has begun the season ranked inside the preseason top six. And 10 of those 11 champions were inside the top five. The only exception was LSU in 2019 and there were six. So if you're in the top six, you're going to win the natty, that the media may not be able to pick. And I've said before this season, I think Texas plays Penn State in the national championship. By the way, Lincoln's former team Oklahoma is in the top 25. That stings a little.

That stings a little. Chris Sims, eight years in the NFL, former Longhorn. He was joining us. Okay, so I kind of thought Schooner Sanders was okay. What did you make of it? Oh, I think it was better than just, okay. I mean, first off, I think when you just take into account the pressure surrounding the situation, right? I mean, all the talk, he's not getting enough reps. The Cleveland Browns

are trying to screw him over, blah, blah, blah. Then, okay, he gets thrust into the starting position, and I don't care if it's preseason or not. When you're a rookie and you've got to start the first preseason game, it ain't all that easy. But what I like about Shradurisanders, the highlights you're showing right here are perfect. He's awesome in the pocket. He's more athletic than people realize he doesn't flinch with pressure around him. I know what? his idol as Tom Brady, the way he moves around the pocket and stays in throwing positions, it does remind me of that. And he's the ultimate gamer. That's one thing I knew he was. So, great start for him, and he's certainly going to make that whole quarterback controversy there,

more controversial. Okay, so I said this morning, Jackson Dart played 41 games in arguably the best conference with an NFL level coach in Lane Kiffin, a sophisticated offense. He's ready to play. Now, maybe you get you. of Russell snap one. But Chris, I mean, plus, you didn't get this when you were young. Maybe you did, but the kids now not only get 41 starts, they get seven on seven camps. They get private coaching and two. Now, your dad was an NFL quarterback, so you had some advantages. But like to me, 41 college snaps under Lane Kiffin aren't, I don't want to hear about while he's young. I mean, why not play him? Yeah, no, I hear it. The world's changed. You said it right, seven on

hamps, passing academies, all that. And just to be clear, my dad didn't do Jack Dutley squat with me until I got to high school. It was like the first time we ever had a catch together, all right? Just so you know, it wasn't like quarterback school. But he is NFL ready. And I think that's the appeal of Jackson Dart. You said it right. The competition he played against, the coaching he got from Lane Tiffin, he knows how to operate an NFL offense.

They want to start him. You know that. But I think the bigger thing is not about him, Colin. Maybe just a little bit more about the team. I think it could be that too. They have a very tough start of the schedule at the start of the year. And you maybe don't want to throw the rookie in at that point. Also, I look at it too.

Their offensive lines going to be a question mark again. They might want to wait a few weeks. Make sure Andrew Thomas is totally healthy at left tackle. Get that right before they throw in their new prize possession of Jackson Dart into the starting lineup. But he did look good. Another guy is athleticism. I think it's better than I even thought coming out of college. And he can read the field.

he can play within the pocket. His arm doesn't wow me, but he can play the position, and that's the thing that's most important. He will be the starter there eventually, and I think there are a two and three team out of the gates, and I think somewhere around there, you'll see Jackson Dart come in. Yeah, so everybody except Tom Brady played this weekend. I mean, Burrow did, Mahomes did. Everybody did, and Caleb Williams didn't. Now, the coach said, listen, he took a lot of snaps at practice.

And I'm, may I suggest that he was like, okay, stand-alone game, it's going to be a big audience. It's like when a tech company delays, you know, their new gadget and says, you know, it's going to be revolutionary. But, you know, we just want to make sure it's per. It felt like it was a little strategic not playing him. Can I be cynical a little? No, no. I think you're a lot to be cynical here. I think it's realistic in a lot of ways.

So first off, like you talked about, almost every game had starters, right? Didn't mean both teams played starters, but just about every game this preseason, except Rams, Cowboys, played their starters. I think it's going to be a new fad in the NFL. You don't get to play, you don't get to hit, you don't get to play real football that much. They're going to take advantage of those opportunities. But I think you're on the right track. My brain went to the same place, Colin.

They don't want to unveil anything until they feel like it's ready. They've been the most scrutinized team at all football through preseason so far. I think between that and Taylor Williams and the scrutiny there and a past number one pick, he's learning and getting a crash course in an offense that he has never had to deal with. He's out there. I just heard you talking about Lincoln, Riley, and USC. Hey, that offense, it doesn't get any more simple than that. Oh, five receivers, get the shotgun, you run a slant, you run a slant, and you run a slant.

There's nothing to it. He's getting trigonometry lessons right now from Ben Johnson. Whoa, I'm underneath the center. We got nine million formations. We got 50 checks for every play. I'm calling three plays in the huddle. So I think a little bit of what you're saying is right. They want to make sure everybody, offensive and defensively,

I think is comfortable before they put their new team out there for everybody to scrutinize a little bit. You know, I said this during the Nick Saban run, is that playing in Alabama, you may have won a lot of games, but it didn't prepare you for the NFL. You always played with a lead. You always had four NFL offensive linemen. You had the best coach and best roster.

that if you look at the history of the NFL, it's a lot of Big Ben, Miami of Ohio, Drew Breeze at Purdue, Philip Rivers, NC State. You get your butt kicked in college. So my question on J.J. McCarthy's last two years, he threw the ball over 30 times once, almost always played with a lead. It was a run first team with a dominating defense, is that I think, I don't think Michigan, an unbelievable coach in school. I don't think he's ready. And I think the injury then put him way, way behind. So my take is we better be patient here because he may not be close to a Bow Nix in his first year of playing a lot. Where do you think he lands this year?

I would be shocked if it didn't work out. Now, the things you bring up, I think, are legitimate questions. You're right there. You'd like to have, yeah, had some more games right through the ball 30 and 40 times. But at the same time, Colin, I'd argue he did play a pro-style football type of attack, you know, maybe an NFL defensive type of team. And he had to manage the game that way. And when he did drop back the pass, it wasn't like, oh, I throw a screen here

or a little bubble screen over here. He had to throw the ball and push the ball down the field, what you're seeing him do right here. And I think he has an incredible arm. His body looks good. He definitely put on some weight. O'Connell's a quarterback whisperer. They're going to be better running the football this year, I think, in Minnesota than we've seen in years past.

And, of course, he's got the weapons around them on the outside. But I'll say this to you, Colin. The way he played quarterback in college at Michigan, that ain't always easy. You've played pickup in basketball. You go two or three games or you don't get a shot. All of a sudden, someone goes, hey, you're open, shoot it. And you're like, whoa, I'm not in rhythm here. I haven't seen one go through the basket yet.

But he had to deal with that and some tough situations at Michigan. So I think he got asked to play like a professional. row and didn't get a lot of easy completions. Yeah, I'd like more reps, but I do believe in the guy, and I believe in the Kevin O'Connell his ability to coach and their ability to evaluate. I'd be more surprised than not if it doesn't work. You know, you're a former Texas Longhorn, and I'm just going to give you the floor on this. I saw very little of Archmanning. The most impressed I was is the fact that I think he's significantly better than Quinn Ewers and did not transfer and did not say a peep. He was a great teammate. That told me all I need to know. He's a manning. He's smart. He's

mature. What are you hearing about the player? Oh, they're excited about the player. I've talked to enough people down there. They were excited about them last year. I knew before the year was over last year. I got the sense from talking to a few people down there that they were going to push Quinn Ewers out the door because they thought the potential and what Archman had what he could break to the football team. His smarts, his physical abilities could open up the offense to a degree we haven't really seen under Steve Sarkesian yet as a play caller. So they're pumped. You talk about the other stuff. He, I mean, leader, everybody says the same thing. The team loves them. Doesn't matter who it is, right? He's humble. He handles himself the right

way. He's got a quick release. He's got a very good arm. And he's an extremely, extremely talented an athlete. So I think it's all in the up and up. And yeah, the longhorns are back. They're real. That's for sure. And I think he has a great year. And I know his grandfather said it the other day, I'd be shocked if he leaves. They believe in getting those reps you talked about. Get those reps. Get that experience. Play in the pocket. It's only going to serve you well when you get to the NFL because that's what the game's all about in the NFL. And of course, you know, he's got two older uncles that thrived in that environment as we know. Chris Sims, as always.

It is great seeing you, my man. Hey, you're the man. Always good seeing you, buddy. Be good, all right. I'll talk to you soon. Say hi to your dad. Chris Sims, of course, the son of the great Phil Sims, who's still doing some media stuff.

I, um, what is the line again, Jay Mack? Is that two and a half? Texas getting two and a half at Ohio State in Columbus? I believe it was bumped up to three. Yes. I'm taking the points. All right. I'm on Ohio State for sure here.

I hate to say, you're in Ohio State? What is this? Two weeks in a bit? We got about 19 days to the game. I'm very excited for this game. By the way, the whole weekend, it's going to be such a banger for football. College football starts good.

Then the NFL the next weekend. By the way, side note, I have some people asking me, do you play fantasy football? Would you play in a league, if invited by yours truly? No. I gamble. So Draft Kings has Ohio State minus two and a half.

You know what? Here's my thing with fantasy. football players. I am four fantasy football players. But the difference between a gambler and a fantasy football player you go to dinner, fantasy football guys argue over the check gamblers pick it up.

That's a good one, but I like that. All right. Wrap it up, it's the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1,

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there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris, every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay. Jen she went. I mean, she went down in three to Rovachina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lina Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now

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For the record, Bill Belichick at home, is a three-point underdog in his first foray into college football coaching. The question is, Gio Lopez is kind of a smaller athletic quarterback that runs around. He was six wins, six losses, something like that at South Alabama. We don't know. I've seen YouTube, I really have no idea. I mean, Belichick's a defensive guy, so you kind of get what you get. Athletic guy runs around.

We'll see. I don't know. They added a top 10 transfer class. with over 40 incoming players. So that's a lot of mentoring and teaching. Each of the last three recruiting classes with Mack Brown, as he aged, were not great. So that tells me that don't have a ton of talent.

Mack was an elite recruiter early and in the prime of his career, not as much late. So they went out and got Belichick probably perused all of his talent and said, we just need more guys. Carolina Boosters, that school's got a lot of money, especially for basketball, stepped up. And so it's just, it's in your, you got a guy that was six and six at South Alabama. Not bad.

18 touchdowns, five picks, pretty accurate. Six feet, 200 pounds, little undersized guy that runs around. G.O. Lopez, we'll see. But they're going to have a new quarterback, a new head coach, new coordinators, 16 new starters. So thank God outside of Clemson, there'll never be, I would imagine, much more than a three-point underdog. It's almost like, remember when Dion got to Colorado,

and I think they were an underdog to TCU, and then they clobbered them or something, didn't they? And they clobbered it, because DCU was an established program and had a bunch of really good players the year before, and they all had a pretty big, if I recall, like draft class. So we'll see. The story of the day today, I think, one of them is a Shadour Sanders. Chris Sim said it.

I thought he looked apart. I think everything I thought about him coming into NFL moves well enough, good size, plays comfortably, very accurate. That's what we saw. Again, he doesn't have great traits. So speeding tickets, worry about local radio guys, legendary draft day room, butchered his interview with the New York Giants, which I've had revalidated over the weekend. That's bad stuff. So the less dynamic your traits are, the more dynamic you have to be pre-snap and in the film room. So we don't know about that. But here's Matt Hasselbeck earlier on

his performance. Will the Cleveland Browns have the courage to keep four quarterbacks? And courage is the word I'm using because it's like no one else does that. It doesn't make any sense. This is a team that has gone without a quarterback for so long that they might just say, hey, listen, it's that important of a position. We like what we have here, the traits that he's showing. Let's hold on to him and develop him. On the field, he doesn't give me pause at all. He doesn't worry me at all. Off the field and what he's like in the locker room, that's the part that I just don't know. There are some red flags. We'll see. Who's Cleveland play next? I thought it was pretty good.

You know, I do think it's interesting that I wonder if Shadur, Shadur's brother, according to J-Mack, Shadur's brother, that tape of him talking to Tony Grosie, Shadur's brother, this was a plan. Hey, let's, I'm going to go and confront him. And it goes down to again, well, why in the world are you worried about that? Give me a break. Oh, Browns were at the Eagles. a Phillies playing none of their starters.

Lennon Dickerson got hurt the O. Lyman, so Philly's not going to play. And the Browns then face the Rams. Stafford will not play. So, and then it's the regular season. Did you, I watched a lot of the,

I sat yesterday and the day before and watched a ton. Not Saturday. I was busy Saturday to live tour in Chicago. Friday night I watched football. Yesterday all day long, I sat and watched the NFL. Tyson Baygent for the Chicago Bears, you shake your head.

That is, when I watch him, that is a potentially top five backup in the league. He's a backup. Whoa, you don't think so? Top five backup? Based on what? Based on eye test. No, I mean, sir. Well, no, I mean, I'm saying backup.

The bar is not super high, but I don't know. I watched Tyson Bayesian. He can run. you got a 16 play drive he's got a good arm he had some moxie last year when he flashed but it was moxie

again let's not read too much in a preseason with backups and no coaches want to reveal anything that they're going to actually they don't want to put anything on tape that they're going to be using all season a lot of vanilla stuff here let's pump the brakes on on on bejian okay so let's

baysan Tyson bejian so let's ask this what about jackson dart he looked pretty good. Yeah. Well, it's interesting. You hyped him up. New York Giants fans are doing cartwheels over Abdul Carter.

Oh, he barely played and he was utterly dominant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, again, he's going up. He's gone up. He's gone up. No, no, no. Abdul Carter looked really good. But that defensive line is a strength of the team.

So he'll just add to Dexter Lawrence and Kvon Thiebado. That will be the strength of the. That's why I've said the Giants. The Giants are not hopeless. Remember a couple years ago you're watching Bryce Young as a rookie in Carolina? You're like, that is a bad football team. The Saints, Saints are going to be bad. Cleveland's going to probably be bad.

Cleveland will be interesting if Shador Sanders plays. Giants, if I told you, you know, Lamar Jackson played today for the New York Giants, they've got enough players. That would be a really, really exceptional. I think they're just a quarterback away. Well, yeah. I mean, any team, Lamar goes to, come on. There's a little.

Well, but there's some teams that, you know, I don't think Carolina's a quarterback away. I guarantee you Lamar could get them 9-10 wins this year. By himself. Okay. So PFF ranks the Giants defensive line third in the NFL. So, I mean, that means you're going to make opposing quarterbacks uncomfortable. That means you're going to win some field possession games. Yeah, remember how the Steelers were winning like 16 to 10 last year?

That's what they're going to do with Russ and Jackson Dart. And I'll just say this about Dart. Even after the draft, you could tell the Giants felt they got their guy. And Jackson won over the media quickly. Brian Daibold kind of gushing about him after this game against the bills. Colin, remember that story last week with Sean Payton, how he has this formula for negative plays that he talked to Seth Wickersham about? Well, I punched the formula in for Jackson Dart.

He beat Caleb Williams' score. Caleb Williams coming out of USC. Jackson Dart does not do negative plays. He sits in the pocket and processes and delivers. There's some upside here. Now, I don't know if they're going to be good enough that the coaches keep their job and he does. But, yeah, I would not be surprised

if he were starting by Halloween for the Giants. I used to have a theory before Ben Rothersberger that quarterbacks sounded. Like Carson Palmer sounds like an NFL starting quarterback. Jackson Dart. Yeah. Okay.

That sounds like an NFL starting quarterback. Shadour Sanders. That's an NFL starting quarterback. Justin Fields. It actually sat, well, Justin Fields. Sounds like an outside linebacker. Come on.

Catch him a little out in the flat. Like the other day we had Philip Rivers on. His son is named Gunner Rivers. I would draft him based on name. I wouldn't even look at the tape. I'd be like, Gunner Rivers, The confidence you would have coming into any athletic event named Gunner Rivers. You know, my parents considered that for my middle name, but they went with an Indian name instead.

That's what your teammates call you. Matt Hasselbeck, so I think Jackson Dark should play immediately. Here's Matt Hasselbeck. I grew up in the era of, you know, you sit on the bench for a while. I mean, Tom Brady did that. Aaron Rogers did that. I know that was my experience as well. I think that New York Giants have been burned, and so they are really sticking to the plan.

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