The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd-HOUR-3-Three words

Episode Date: October 12, 2020

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Starting point is 00:02:44 Very funny guy has great insights, and he is now joining us live on a Monday. So you have, you're known in our industry as you have a tweet you did a couple years ago about the Seahawks. And it is funny because it's so, true. My sister didn't like football until Russell Wilson arrived. And now she texts me all Sunday. She's like, these games are crazy.
Starting point is 00:03:05 I don't know how you stand this sport. It's nuts. And your tweet is, the Seahawks have literally never played in a normal game. And I'm watching yesterday, and I'm like, Russell didn't even play well just until the end. What do you, does it speak well of them? Or is it
Starting point is 00:03:21 just Russell Wilson's the life preserver for a constantly influx chaotic football team? How do you see the Seahawks today? I think it depends on the game. I was stunned when I saw the stat yesterday that since 2012, Russell Wilson has the most game-winning drives, but he beat out Matthew Stafford for that. And when you think about Matthew Stafford's career versus Russell Wilson's career, that's absurd. I mean, Matthew Stafford should always be playing from behind. Russell Wilson should never be playing from behind.
Starting point is 00:03:49 And the fact that they had the equal amount of opportunities is kind of, it's crazy to me. So I think that Russell Wilson, his ability to score points very quickly this year has put them in position to succeed. Obviously, the let-rush cook thing is happening this year. My take on this let-rust cook thing is that the reason he's cooking is because the restaurants are closed. He has to cook because there's no defense. There's no pass rush. They don't have a choice. I think Pete Carroll and Brian Chottonheimer would play a different brand of football if they could.
Starting point is 00:04:20 But he's got to score points to score points quickly. That's why they went on that 21-to-nothing run yesterday in the third quarter. That's why they had to have that 90-yard drive at the end after the Vikings failed on fourth and inches. He has to be the leader of that team in all facets because nobody else will. So why do they play such weird games? Because Pete Carroll likes to keep it close. He likes to play a physical brand of football. And then when he has to, he's going to let Russell Wilson win the game.
Starting point is 00:04:46 It shouldn't be Matt Stafford, but it is. Yeah. So I'm watching Kansas City and the Raiders yesterday. and a lot of the wise guys in Vegas did like the Raiders. So, you know, there were some people. I'm obviously not smart enough to do that because my picks were awful again. But I will say this. I was very critical when the Raiders went and got a coach who'd been out for a decade
Starting point is 00:05:04 and a GM that would never been a GM. But, Kevin, you start watching the Raiders offensive pieces. And it's like, they're not missing on any of them. Like they got, they have talent everywhere and it's all young. And should we take the Raiders for real? Yes, we should. Now, real means different things here. Can they make the playoffs?
Starting point is 00:05:24 Yes. Are they an AFC contender to play in the championship game or something? No. But when I look at Henry Ruggs, I saw that quote from John Guden after the game where they said, he's not here to run hitch routes. He's here to push the tempo down the field. He had a contested catch yesterday. He had that 72-yarder.
Starting point is 00:05:39 I mean, this is the type of guy. And there are not many of these guys throughout the league who can change the offense, who can unlock how an offense should play. Derek Carr has been criticized for not going down the field. nearly enough over the past three, four years. Ruggs is the type of guy who can get open deep, and he can make any quarterback a deep thrower, including Derek Carr. So I think that these skill guys, where that's Josh Jacobs,
Starting point is 00:06:01 where that's Henry Ruggs, just some of the guys Mayok has hit on. The joke about the Raiders, they just draft from the college bowl playoff. They watch three games a year, and they say, let's get the Alabama guys. It's got the Kumpson guys. But that's not a bad strategy right now. I mean, I kind of like this group they put together. Yeah, say what you want, but Belichick for years has leaned on Urban Meyer, and Nick Saban guys.
Starting point is 00:06:22 So to your point, you can do worse than drafting Ohio State Alabama Clemson guys. So, you know, there's an old thing. We never tell our friends this, but we all have friends. But then there's the friends like we would trust to take us to the hospital if we were ill or to the airport. And we won't tell our friends which one are in and out of that group. But it felt like yesterday with Jimmy Garapolo. There's quarterbacks that can win games.
Starting point is 00:06:45 And then there's quarterbacks who can win games. But the coach is always willing to take a phone call on another quarter. quarterback. And I watched Shanahan's body language yesterday, and I'm like, you can't unsee that from Jimmy Garapolo. And they already slapped his hand with the adult film star and the fourth quarter stuff. And I do wonder if there's a little damage done with Garapolo and Kyle. And it's, he'll take phone calls going forward to replace him if somebody's out there. When you have Kyle Shanahan as a play caller, you should be judged very, very harshly. But it's like being given a Ferrari, you're driving down the highway, and there's Prius is passing you, right?
Starting point is 00:07:26 That shouldn't be happening. Right. If you have Kyle Shanahan getting guys open, creating conflict with defenses, you should be hitting open guys. Now, he had the high ankle sprain. There's a history of quarterbacks coming back from that to early and sailing passes. I understand that. But I think that when you've got this offense, and listen, they've been decimated by injuries, but not on the offensive line. This offensive line should be better, and they should adapt to to be able to play behind.
Starting point is 00:07:50 at this point. The defense is a mess right now. I think that you, you know, they've gotten kiddle back. I think that there's, there the pieces are there for them to be better than this, better than getting blown out by the dolphins at home, letting Ryan Fitzpatrick get another $10 million deal next year, uh, to, to keep some other rookie on the bench, wherever that may be. He'll be, he'll be starting in front of Trevor Lawrence next year because of his performance yesterday, right? Yeah. And so when I think about the Niners, I think they need to start looking at an upgrade. I think Jimmy Grasplow with Kyle Shanahan can work. but it's got to be better than this.
Starting point is 00:08:22 And at that price tag, you really have to start asking questions. So this sounds crazy. I said this. I think, Joy, I said this in the first hour, that I'm watching Matt Ryan yesterday. And we're going to blame Dimitra for everything and Dan Quinn. But he threw a ball in the end zone. And it was like, Matt, you've been in this league for a decade. I'm seeing all these athletic kids.
Starting point is 00:08:39 We'll watch Justin Herbert tonight. I see Lamar. I see Josh out. I see Russell Wilson. And now, you couldn't move Matt Ryan next year because of the cap hit. It's like, you know, it's just a huge cap hit. But, you know, Kevin, I sit, I've been watching this league for a long time, and it's changing. And your quarterback, Philip Rivers looks washed completely.
Starting point is 00:09:00 And it really undoes. It undermines all the smart things the Colts have done. That doesn't matter. You can't have that quarterback. In Atlanta, would it be reasonable the next coach? You play Maddie, but you start looking for his replacement. Does that sound outrageous for a guy that was an MVP, or am I on to something? It's not outrageous at all.
Starting point is 00:09:22 He's 35. That team is going to be about $35 million over the cap next year. And that's just, that's conservative because we don't know what the cap is going to be next year. But this team has a lot of talent. And I'm intrigued to see how Arthur Blank views this job. Does he see it as a tear down or is he want a kind of a mid-career coach, almost like what Dallas did with Mike McCarthy, you can come in and try to maximize this talent. Because I think you could go either way.
Starting point is 00:09:46 Calvin Ridley is very good. We know about Julio Jones. Matt Ryan, there's pieces on the defense. So I think it is an intriguing job. I think they can win. They're not a Super Bowl team by any means in 2021 or 2022. But I think that you come into that job, almost like Matt Lafleur was in Green Bay, where you try to maximize what you have, but you're keeping one eye on the future.
Starting point is 00:10:07 I think that's the most important thing. You need that cap flexibility, but you also have talent right now that you can win with. So I think it's a job. It's not Houston because there's no Deshaun Watson. but if I'm a sought after off of the coordinator right now, I'm looking at Atlanta as potentially a very good job. Yeah, that's interesting. All right, we've got to talk about Dax injury.
Starting point is 00:10:27 It's gutting, it's heartbreaking. Andy Dalton actually is a very, you know, it's funny. He's like, I guess in the NBA, he'd be a Mike Conley. You can get 14 points. He's a good distributor. He'll play defense. He's a good leader. You know, I'm not going to get Kyrie Irving, but there are, you know, this team's got
Starting point is 00:10:43 weapons, and he's a good distributor. I don't think he's Dak Prescott, but I don't think the Gap is the Grand Canyon. It's more the Laurel Canyon. It's a canyon, but it's not the same. And I look at Dak and I think to myself, okay, he's going to get paid. He'll be back. He'll be fine. But Izzy, do you worry that if they don't win this year and, I mean, are we sure in one year? Mike McCarthy's the coach and Dak's the quarterback. I guess that's my question. I guess it comes down to the timetable on the injury, which according to Jane Slater is four to six months at this point. But I think that the tragedy of this injury is that this was the year that if you didn't appreciate
Starting point is 00:11:24 DAC, you were going to start appreciating Dak because he was going to put up otherworldly numbers on a team where there was no defense, where the coaching was letting him down again, a second coaching staff doing that. And so I think this is going to be a special year as far as just appreciating DAC, and that's not going to happen now. Hopefully Cowboys fans appreciated what he did in the first four weeks and that we understand coming into negotiations next year. They probably franchise tag him again. Jerry and Stephen Jones have both said they want to keep them as the future in the last 24 hours. I believe them. So yes, if I had to bet right now, they would run it back with McCarthy and Dak.
Starting point is 00:11:59 I don't think they're going to sign them to a long-term deal any time before we see what that angle looks like going forward. But I think that they understand, as weird as this negotiation has been, they understand their best chance to win is getting Dak healthy instead of going into the lottery and trying to draft a quarter- back in the second round or something like that and trying to find the next Andy Dalton. I didn't think this team was going to win the Super Bowl with DAC or without DAC. Their expectations for me have not changed. They're an NFC East favorite, and that means nothing to me because this team is not complete. This team had no chance to go going into any NFC contender and beating them. So this was just about DAC personally.
Starting point is 00:12:40 Obviously, this guy pulls at 100% throughout the league. Everybody loves him. You saw that yesterday with Jason Garrett and all the giant. rushing over to give their condolences on the injury. But I think that for me, nothing's changed. This is just a different look for this team this year. It is a tragedy for DAC personally. The league is better when guys can bet on themselves like Dak Prescott.
Starting point is 00:13:01 It would have been better for players if Dak Prescott played this year, balled out and got $200 million dollars in Dallas and elsewhere. And so from a player's perspective, I think this really hurts. I'm saddened for DAC and for the future of quarterback negotiations because he had a real chance to reset the market. I think this sets them back a year. I think that gets franchise tagged and then eventually he gets that big deal.
Starting point is 00:13:23 It just comes a year later than we thought. By the way, I still think Kansas City is the best team in the league, I think, or Green Bay. You know, I had this thought yesterday. So I'm watching McCarthy in this team and there's just so many defensive lapses and I thought to myself, you know what?
Starting point is 00:13:44 I know Aaron Rogers can be a little prickly, but Aaron looks so good and Dallas looks so dysfunctional. And I'm sitting there watching this with Aaron and I'm like, maybe Green Bay is the best football team in this league. And we just,
Starting point is 00:14:00 Aaron was right, but in this sort of passive-aggressive way, you know, the throwaways, the eye rolling. And as I watched Dallas yesterday, I kept thinking of Green Bay and I'm like, maybe Green Bay and Aaron Rogers, maybe I'm nuts on this. Maybe
Starting point is 00:14:16 they're the best team in the league this morning Kansas City, Baltimore, Green Bay. I can't watch the Cowboys in McCarthy and not think about Aaron in the last two years together when they underachieve and he's 17 and 3 since then. I can't stop thinking about it.
Starting point is 00:14:32 Have we undervalued for the first time ever Aaron Rogers is my question. Yes, and the Packers undervalued him by taking Jordan Love in the first round. And so you can say it was the media and hot take culture or whatever it was, but it was also the Packers who made evaluation and said that we need to start drafting a first round quarterback to start the
Starting point is 00:14:49 succession plan. Okay. So this is not just a media creation. Okay, his own GM made that decision. So I think, yes, they really have the capability to win the Super Bowl, quite frankly. I think that they have the pieces. And I think that it tracks with everything we heard coming into this season from GMs, coaches, scouts, assistants, which is that the guys who know what they're doing, the veteran quarterbacks who have continuity with their receivers, will have an advantage and can take a little advantage, which normally exists from year to year by being a veteran, and it becomes a huge one because nobody has training camp,
Starting point is 00:15:25 nobody has OTAs, nobody has padded practice like they normally do. And so Aaron Rogers' ability to make something out of nothing, to make these incredible passes, it's becoming a huge, huge deal against flat-footed defense who don't know what they're doing. You know, defenses are just falling down? When I'm asking guys, like, what are defenses doing? Are they running simplified schemes?
Starting point is 00:15:43 The answer is, no, defenses are just confused, right now. They don't know what's going on. And who takes advantage of confusion better than Aaron Rogers? Who takes advantage of those free plays better than Aaron Rogers? When something bad is happening on the field to a defense, Aaron Rogers is smart enough to take advantage. And that's why he's having this incredible year. That's why he's an MVP candidate. And that's why I would not be surprised on February 8th or whenever the Super Bowl is played if he's a hoisted Lombardi. Yeah. It's weird. I watch McCarthy and I can not, I can't stop thinking about Aaron is 17 and 3 without him and looks better than he's looked in six years.
Starting point is 00:16:17 Kevin Clark, the ringer. Great stuff, bud. Appreciate you coming. I really like the pocket score. You brought your A game today for the show, and I really appreciate that. Hey, I got a bringer for you, Colin. Very nice. Look at that.
Starting point is 00:16:27 Very, very swab. It's European looking and add some sophistication to our show, much needed. Thank you, Kev. Kevin Clark. Anytime, Colin. Slow Newsday pod, video cast is well over at the ringer. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.
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Starting point is 00:20:06 Open your free, our heart radio app, Search Learn the Hard Way and listen now. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Jimmy Garoppolo's return was short-lived against the dolphins. He was benched for C.J. Bethard after a disastrous first half.
Starting point is 00:20:27 He completed 7 of 17 passes for 77 yards and threw two interceptions. But Kyle Shanahan said that after the game, Garapolo was only taken out because he didn't look 100% coming back from the ankle injury. just the way the whole game was going. I mean, just kind of watching how we were playing as a whole, how he was playing. You can tell he was affected by his ankle. I mean, you can ask him more when he gets in, but I know he doesn't normally throw the ball that way. And I think he was struggling a little bit because of it. And the way the game was going, that I was going to keep putting him in those positions
Starting point is 00:20:57 and knowing we were going to have to throw it a lot to come back. That's what Trent Dillfer said. Trent thinks it was Kyle Shanahan who said, he's just not right. I got to get him out of there. It's funny because when I watch the, game. They had referenced it a couple times. And as I looked at some of the video, he's throwing flat-footed. He's not driving the ball. Watch. He's like front-legging it, meaning it there's some pain potentially. His feet don't look right. And he had a bad game. CJ Bethel didn't do much
Starting point is 00:21:23 better, 9 of 18 for 94 yards and one touchdown. I think also the Dolphins' defense was just kind of doing whatever they wanted to, and the momentum was heading that way anyway. I think we probably shouldn't overreact too much to this game. He is coming off an ankle injury. I'm going to give Jimmy Garapolo a couple more of these situations, but I just
Starting point is 00:21:46 think after the Super Bowl, there was a ridiculous overreaction to what Jimmy Garapolo is. Probably before the Super Bowl, there was too much of a reaction to what he was as far as as as good as he is as well. Like, there is a, you're not your best, you're not your worst. So what
Starting point is 00:22:02 is Jimmy Garapolo? And he does rely on Kyle Shanahan, and he is in a good situation. They're not as good as they were last year. They have major injuries. I just think, you know, we just need to come back down to the level with San Francisco, particularly for this season. And Jimmy Garapolo is injured. Like, that was a terrible showing, obviously, and maybe he took him out because his ankle wasn't right, or maybe he's just not right altogether. Right. I'm going to lean towards it was probably had to do with his ankle. Ryan Fitzpatrick 22, 22, 28, 350 yards. He looked great. And three touchdowns. The Browns took on the Colts number one defense and came out with a 32, 23 victory.
Starting point is 00:22:40 I thought the Brown's first half, they were flawless. I thought Baker was great in the first half. I'm not going to overreact, but I like what Browns are doing. And I thought that this game was a, you know, everyone was kind of dismissing the Cowboys win because everyone feels like the Cowboys are not that good. This was the game to win to me. Like the Colts defense is not a game. Now, I understand Philip Rivers is not what he was,
Starting point is 00:23:05 and that shouldn't be shocking to anybody. You know what's funny about this game? The Colts didn't have their left tackle or Darius Leonard, and I went up and saw a stat Saturday morning. The Colts without their left tackle are not the same football team. I would not have bet it because I got a bunch of people saying, do you know, Darius Leonard's out, and Anthony Costanzo, the left tackles out,
Starting point is 00:23:26 and I'm like, no, I didn't know that. I don't know. I just, and I'm not taking anything away from Cleveland. I thought they played a great, Great first half of football. But I thought Cleveland got a tad injury break in that game. Just a little injury break. Am I being unfair?
Starting point is 00:23:42 Am I being too? It just seemed like. I'm also hesitant with the Browns because what in the past 20 years of Browns football would make us not hesitant. But I love what they did in the off season. And it is clearly paying off. And you can only beat the teams that are on your schedule. Yes. And the Colts defense is not a game.
Starting point is 00:24:01 So the offense put up the most points in the Colts so far. this season. Cleveland defense was obviously able to pick up Phillip Rivers twice and keep them out of the end zone. And with this win, the Browns moved to four and one for the first time since 1994. That year Bill Belichick was the head coach, and Nick Saban was a defensive coordinator and the team won a playoff game. So I think it's a playoff team the way that they're playing right now. Baker Mayfield went for x-rays on his ribs after the win, but they came back negative. So he was asked if he was going to play next weekend and he said, oh yeah, Mama didn't raise no wuss. Castanzo for the Colt, who by the way, I was in a restaurant a year ago and he walked in.
Starting point is 00:24:39 He's a large man. He's the one. The Colts struggle without him. I thought, you know, it's funny about Baker. I got the best of Baker in the first half and more Baker issues in the second where he started living a little bit in the second half and moving around. But his first half of football, I was like, all right, this is the Baker that everybody tells me is going to happen every week. I mean, you don't have to play perfect. Just got to get the win. That's right. And I thought this was a significant win for the Browns. Finally, LeBron won his fourth NBA title and fourth NBA Finals MVP last night at the age of 35. Amazing.
Starting point is 00:25:12 And another old guy, Tom Brady, congratulated him on the accomplishment. LeBron's not really old. I'm joking. He's taking a little jab at himself, too. So he has the edit from obviously this last Thursday night game where he thought it was fourth down and he's holding up the four. He posted a picture of LeBron's face, photoshopped onto his body, holding up the four fingers with the caption. Congrats to my brother, King James, on winning his fourth championship, not bad for a washed-up old guy. Still to understand how LeBron James is polarizing. I don't get that.
Starting point is 00:25:41 You know, I don't think he was polarizing until he had the decision and went to Miami. Then why do we love Kevin Durant? Everybody loves Kevin Durant. He went and chose a better team. Well, LeBron is a trailblazer in that sense, in that he kind of started the mobility wave. Why do we love Kauai Leonard moves around and went to a, I mean, everybody else is moving. round. Okay.
Starting point is 00:26:03 LeBron James is the best player in the NBA. Easily. When you're the best, you get criticized more. It's ridiculous. And that's just the way it goes. That's the price you have to pay. I don't think that the criticism he got when he went to Miami was fair. Granted, I benefited from that decision.
Starting point is 00:26:19 So maybe I'm a little bit biased. I thought the overreaction to the decision was ridiculous. And, of course, the press conference with the Miami heat, not one, not two, not three, made him even more polarizing. Since then, I don't know what you can say to be critical. to be critical of what LeBron has done unless you just frankly don't like LeBron. And listen, my heat
Starting point is 00:26:37 just lost to LeBron. I can respect the fact that he's the greatest player in the NBA and they had an incredible run. And what he's done is incredible. How about J.R. Smith? Nobody parties like J.R. Smith. He had his shirt off before the game was over. I mean, even LeBron just laughing. Somebody told me J.R. Smith
Starting point is 00:26:53 loves golf. Every time he goes on the road, he takes his sticks. I was talking to somebody. I probably got a lot of golfing done then. Somebody told me, they're like J.R. Smith lives for golf. He plays it every day during the season. Are you still golfing? Yeah. Not as much because I'm very busy. We've worked in labor-intensive fall. Joey with the news.
Starting point is 00:27:14 Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie news. The three-word game on a Monday, every NFL game described in three succinct words. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHard Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.
Starting point is 00:27:39 Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win.
Starting point is 00:28:04 A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.
Starting point is 00:28:33 One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Cliverts Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Starting point is 00:29:00 And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast.
Starting point is 00:29:19 I'm Sam Jette. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line.
Starting point is 00:29:45 We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:30:05 Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of mental health awareness month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it. And we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses.
Starting point is 00:30:39 Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth. Are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. person. Join me, Keir Gaines, as we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, Learn the Hardway. Open your free iHeartRadio app,
Starting point is 00:31:03 search Learn the Hardway, and listen now. If you're not ready to give up, check out mdriveformen.com. More lean muscle. Good to have you in. Best for last on Mondays throughout the NFL season. We call it the three-word game that it forces you to describe every game in three words, more succinct, and here we go. Panthers at Falcons. Finally cleaning house. Atlanta fired their coach and their general manager. Finally cleaning house.
Starting point is 00:31:34 Their defense with a defensive coach is ranked tied for 30th and 31st in yards allowed. So when you've got a defensive coach and you're 14 and 23, their defense is bad and they have Matt Ryan, who people think the top 12 quarterback. So they're just, and by the way, Dimitrofts is smart. guy, but in the end, they don't have enough dynamic personnel, finally cleaning house. Jaguars at Texans. Will clean house. The Jaguars are abysmal.
Starting point is 00:32:04 Doug Marone should go. I understand what they're doing. Gardner Minshue now feels like he's regressing. Again, they're 28th and point differential. They made an egregiously bad fourth down call deep in Texans territory and snapped the ball directly to their running back who was going to throw but fumbled. It was so bad, it was so rinky dink high school. Let's clean it up and start over.
Starting point is 00:32:30 Raiders at Chiefs. Derek threw deep. Henry Ruggs, 118 yards. Derek Carr, the knock on him is, he can dink and dunk. He doesn't like to throw deep. And John Gruden loves explosion plays. Well, Carr threw two passes, 50 plus yards, season high in passing yards and passer rating and give Gruden credit he and Mike Mayock have drafted lots of speed.
Starting point is 00:32:58 Cardinals at Jets. Can't blame Darnold. The Jets now are 0 for 7 since Sam Darnold arrived in games in which Sam Darnold doesn't play. It is not Sam Darnold. This is systematic, institutional, coaching front office. This is an egregiously bad team who, by the way, they've allowed 30 plus points in their last four games. So they're bad on both sides. Eagles at Steelers. Still doubting Steelers.
Starting point is 00:33:33 They're 24th in yards per play. And that's just weird to me, considering you have Big Ben, Claypool, and some big play offensive players. I think they should be. favored over Cleveland, but I think the Browns have a real shot in that game. They're still too off. They're still too inconsistent for me. They're elements I like for the Steelers, but they let, by the way, they let the Eagles hang around in this puppy for three and a half hours, and they have much better, healthier personnel right now than Philadelphia. Bengals at Ravens.
Starting point is 00:34:08 Burrough getting bludgeoned. He's taken the most sacks, hits, pressures in the NFL this year. He is on pace to get sacked 70 times this year. Like Andrew Luck in a bad year got sacked like 45 to 50. And he's not getting sacked by the average defenses. You're talking about Miles Garrett, T.J. Watt, some of the biggest dudes in the league playing the AFC North. Rams at Washington. Welcome back, Alex.
Starting point is 00:34:41 Right, Tibia? He had 17 surgeries. on his leg, and I think I speak for almost all of America. We were a nervous wreck watching him play yesterday. Dolphins at 49ers. A new Garoppelow. It's not getting easier, folks. They take on the Rams, the Patriots at the Seahawks,
Starting point is 00:35:05 Packers at the Saints, at the Rams Bills. It kind of feels like the season is over. They have the single toughest stretch in the NFL and whether it's inefficiency, incompetence, or an injury, they are offensively, and this is hard to do with Kyle Shanahan, completely out of sync. Giants had Cowboys. A bad win.
Starting point is 00:35:30 The Giants had scored 47 total points in the first month. They scored 34 yesterday. I mean, it's, and it's not like Daniel Jones always had a lot of time. Daniel Jones was running and still wildly productive. they're really bad on the back end. I guess Dax hurt, the defense is atrocious, the schedule's lightning up in the next three weeks.
Starting point is 00:35:54 I guess the good news is Andy Dalton is a very good distributor and they have a lot of good wide receiver weapons. Rivers dried up. God, he was awful. Four TDs and five picks this year. I know he's a trash talker.
Starting point is 00:36:12 I know everybody loves him, but they have done so many things right. The coach, Frank Wright, the assistants. They stole Dallas's best young defensive assistant. They built a great offensive line to Forrest Buckner. They've drafted well. Jonathan Taylor's terrific. Philip Rivers can't make the throws.
Starting point is 00:36:29 He can't make the throws down the sidelines. 60 passer rating yesterday. And that's not a great Cleveland defense. It's very average on the back end. But he's undermining now everything else they've done in the organization at a high level. Vikings at Seahawks. Zimmer's dangerous decision. Still don't like going for it, leading 2621,
Starting point is 00:36:53 kick the field goal up 2921, forced Russell Wilson, who hadn't played well in a driving rainstorm to not only drive the field for a touchdown, but then secure a two-point conversion, and that would still give you overtime, where the Vikings had out played Seattle, had 450 total yards and eight almost 40 minutes of the clock on Sunday night. Didn't love it at all.
Starting point is 00:37:20 Trent Dilford didn't like it. And he's a coach right now. Didn't like it at all. Analytics, man analytics, blah, blah, blah. All right, good stuff. So tonight I get old man Drew Brees and I get Justin Herbert for the Chargers. I'm not sure with the lines like three and a half on that, three and a half four. What is it?
Starting point is 00:37:41 Is it seven? Oh, I'll take the charge. I got to make back some of my earnings, which I lost yesterday. Falcons. Oh, it's terrible. Well, I've stopped betting the Jets. Now I'm off the Falcons. I'm going to take the Chargers plus seven tonight.
Starting point is 00:37:54 That's a good number. I'm going to take that. All right. Speak for Yourself is right around the corner for Goulet and Joy. It's great to have you in a Monday in L.A. It's the herd. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite.
Starting point is 00:38:07 Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman, help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform?
Starting point is 00:38:23 We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.
Starting point is 00:38:41 Others say it's unleashing huge. human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Look Back at it podcast. In 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 was big to me. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a hear. unpack what went down and try to make sense of how we survived it with our friends fellow comedians and favorite authors like mark lamont hill on the 80s
Starting point is 00:39:21 84 was a wild I don't think there's a more important year for black people listen to look back at it on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts a win is a win a win a win I don't care what you're saying yep that's me cliver taylor the fourth you might have seen the skits my basketball in college football journey or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw unfills of conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.
Starting point is 00:39:57 So let's get to it. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. This is an IHeart podcast, guaranteed human. Thank you.

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