The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - Tom Brady joins The Herd

Episode Date: December 11, 2025

7-time Super Bowl champion Tom Brady joins the show to preview Lions vs. Rams, evaluate Caleb Williams’ development in Year 2, and discuss whether the Kansas City Chiefs dynasty is nearing its endSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So it's interesting. When I watched the, and I asked this all the time, the other night I had a dinner with a jam in the NFL, and I love this question. I said, you know, is it scheme or is it? Is it players? When you watch the Rams, do you see brilliant schemes? Do you, is it talent? Because, man, when they need 11 yards, they get it. What are you seeing when you watch the film? Yeah, first of all, it's good to be on the show. Why have you not invited me at all this season?

I thought we were in a good rhythm last year. We go to the Super Bowl and all of a sudden, I'm like, X out from the show. But I'm glad we could at least come on here before the end of the regular season. And yeah, it's pretty, it's been pretty awesome. I've covered them a few times this year. I think what Stafford and McVeigh have going between the two of them, they're just totally in sync. And you throw in these receivers they've got, you know, obviously Puka and Devonte, the mix of tight ends.

They had four pretty good tight ends. I know Higbee's on IR right now, but they're really using a lot of different personnel groupings. And then Corum last week was ridiculous against the card. I think as a team over 250 yards rush in. So you got Kyran, you got Blake Corum, you got these tight ends. And one of the most underrated aspects of this team is offensive line. These guys are playing ridiculous up front.

There's not allowing penetration in the run game, allow I think the least amount of negative plays than any team in the league. So it's just, it's pretty awesome to watch. I'm fired up because it's lions, one of my favorite offenses to watch with Jared Gough and the Rams with Stafford. two kind of classic pocket passers. They play the game from their neck up. They obviously have great ability to pass the football, and they're throwing it to guys that are extremely talented at receiver. They got great run games, great coaches, aggressive coaches.

So this is a perfect game for America's Game of the Week on Fox on Sunday at 425 Eastern. So you were an outlier in terms of playing and being in incredible shape late. Stafford, you know, he didn't, you had some really, Dante Scornacchio, you had good protection most of your career. You know, he got the, you know what kicked out of him for years in Detroit until he inherited, you know, Whitworth and McVeigh and the schemes. But when you did get older, let's take 39, for you maybe 43, for Stafford 37, were there things you had to do as an older quarterback that you didn't at 27?

Oh, man. I think you're, the processes just get better as you, get older because you understand really what's important for you over the course of the season. So you don't waste any time being inefficient in the offseason with your training or in training camp. You don't waste throws. You don't waste workouts. Everything is like with the real intention to it. So I was very fortunate in 23 seasons. I mean, I still think I could play now. But it's just the thought of doing it in the commitment that it takes from someone like Matt or Aaron Rogers, like they're committing year round for that. And that's that's a big commitment. It's like running a marathon.

Yeah, everyone wants to run the last three miles like Philip Rivers is doing. But it's, it's hard to run all 26. And it's not just the running of the 26 miles. It's all the preparation for the running. And I think when you get older and you've got the life full of responsibilities, it gets just a little bit more challenged. But Matt's making it look awesome. He's just had an incredible season, an MVP caliber season. And again, just to cover him again, I think for me to watch him play and to watch his style of play and the kind of innovation on offense with McVeigh and how they each week find different little weaknesses to exploit on the opposing defense, that's an awesome thing to watch

from the booth. So obviously you can improve as any athlete, but somebody once told me this. A real smart GM said, you can't take a B plus. guy and make him an A plus guy. You can take people up like a half a grade. You can take a B minus to a B plus. Right? Like there's this sense that, so, I mean, you were drafted in Major League Baseball, you had

perfect size, you were under represented in terms of your skill. You didn't go from deed at the greatest of all time. So you were undervalued in the skill department. Your size, your arm strength was always top of the league near the top. So when I look

at Caleb Williams, I've argued he's never going to be Drew Breeze. I don't need him to be Drew Breeze because I got a horsepower and movement. Is there a line for you with a Josh Allen or a Caleb? That they can do so many things with their horsepower that, but is there a line with him? You're like, okay, you've got to get at least to 62

or do you not necessarily care about his accuracy right now? Well, I always care about accuracy from a quarterback standpoint because when you get to the bigger games and the playoffs and the defenses are better and the margin of error is less, you have to be an incredibly accurate passer. And the passing game is so important when you're behind in games. Because if you're playing with a lead and you're running the ball and play action and pass, a lot of times with play action pass, you can get guys open by, you know, three, four yards of separation, so therefore you don't need to be as accurate.

When you are down 28 to 3, you better be extremely accurate because the windows, are very tight. You're going to have to throw, you know, 30, 40 passes in the second half and overtime of the game against a myriad of different coverages. So you're going to have to understand the strengths and weaknesses of all the coverage. I think there's a lot of ways to get the job done at quarterback. You know, he's a lot of guys in the NFL have different skill sets. I do believe it's a passing league. It always has been. It always will be. You can benefit from a great running game. But when the rubber meets the road and you're in big time moments and you're in games where it's very contested, you're going against a team that's at the similar

pedigree, you better be an elite passer, an elite processor, you better have great intangibles and resilience built up in you to be the leader of that team. And when I watch different guys play, I see that in them. Patrick Mahomes has that. Josh Allen has that. Jared Gough has that. Matthew Stafford has that. Lamar Jackson has that. There's a lot of guys that I love their style of play, the inaccurate guys, they have to work really hard at their craft to be better. There were certain things I was not good at. I was always a pretty good passer. I was really weak, kind of my physical strength was weak. I had to build up the durability in the pocket. I had to continue to learn the offense because I knew that when the ball was in my hands, nothing good

was going to happen with our offense. So the faster I could get it out of my hands into the hands of Edelman or Welker or Moss or Mike Evans or Godwin, or gronk, well, then our offense was going to move. So I had to kind of decipher the coverage pre-snap, go, okay, this is the best place to go with the ball before the ball was snapped. If I didn't know where the ball was going before the snap, I didn't snap the ball. I would just get us into a better play. And that's why guys are wide open.

Like, oh, my God, he's what, well, yeah, we got him open because I was able to develop a toolkit in a skill set to change plays of the line of scrimmage, to audible, to change protection, to change route combinations. I watched Peyton Manning do that for years. We just exploited the weak parts of defense. And the problem in the NFL today is guys aren't doing that. Guys aren't being developed through college. And then when they get to the pro, they're so far behind that the coach feels like,

okay, I need to control this game from the sideline. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to make all these past plays progression reads. We're going to start on the right side of the field with the first receiver, second receiver, and we're just going to sweep the board and come across. And the problem is you can't, you never develop real autonomy at quarterback to get your team in the best play. You essentially become a robot for the coach. So the teams that I think have a great advantage going forward are the ones with the older quarterbacks who the coaches do give them the autonomy to say, okay, whatever you see out there, you can change the play. You can get us in the right play.

We trust you. And therefore, in big moments, we're going to put the ball in your hands. And I think that's the best style of play for sustained success in the NFL. So this week, and, you know, I was never going to be 250 pounds and ripped. I have a genetic limitation, and I know that. Although I once dunked to basketball, Tom, no video surface, but I once did. But the point is... I'll take your word for it.

Everybody has to. So I put up a screen. I said, I want everybody to look at these quarterbacks who are either leading in the MVP race, lead their division or their name is Joe Burrow. And here's the graphic. 6-6-6-6-5, 6-4, 6-4, 6-3, 6-3. I like Jalen Hertz. I like Tua.

But Tom, you can't tell me. I've stood next to you. I'm tall. I look up at you. It's six and a half. Tom Brady, I'm just saying I don't think you're hoist in as many trophies. So when people say, what's wrong with Jalen Hertz is, folks, he can't see as much. That's not a criticism, right? Yeah, it's a great point. And it's,

if you just look at the history of quarterbacks in the NFL, how many below six foot two and under have had, you know, sustained success or up there in passing yardage? It's just hard because you've got to see over at least the center, who is typically the shortest guy on the field, because he's standing right in front of you. And he opens up the entire middle part of the field. So it's easy if you're not as tall to throw to the perimeter of the field because there's more vision out there. You're only probably working through a tackle.

But when you're looking over the middle of the field, let's say between the hashes, you're looking between the right guard, the center, and the left guard. You've got to have the height to see over the top of people. And then the delivery has to be over the top of the offensive linemen and the defensive linemen. And those guys are big guys. Those guys aren't 5 foot 10. Those guys are 6 foot 2, 6 foot 3.

So you've got to have the arm angle to get the ball over them. And that opens up the middle part of the field. So what I see with a lot of guys who aren't as tall, they throw the ball more to the perimeter of the field. It's harder to throw the ball to the perimeter of the field because the ball has a longer distance to go and you don't get as much run after catch. If you're running across the field and a short, shallow route over the middle,

if you catch it, you've got 25 yards from the point you catch it in the middle to turn the ball up the sideline where you can gain a lot of yards after catch. So I just, I think there's, I'm not saying you can't be successful if you're under six foot two. It's just the chance of being successful is less. And yes, there are anomalies. I think Drew Breeze is one of them. Drew Breeze played very tall.

He was standing up in the pocket. A lot of times he was up on the balls of his feet. He had a very high release. The ball came out very quickly. So he found a way to, but he also worked at it extremely hard for a long time in order to make those improvements as well. And I don't think you can discount the fact that if you want to be successful in the NFL. You better have the drive and determination every day of your life

in season and off season to try to go out and be the best in the world. You got to be brushing your teeth in the morning thinking about your throwing mechanics, thinking about the calls your coach is going to make on third down, the anticipation you need to throw in a particular game. This has to be your life. It has to be so important that you're thinking about it all day, every day, certainly during the season. So I had picked before the season. Sometimes I get lucky. I said the team that's going to double their win total and make the playoffs that you think is bad as New England. I did not think Drake May would be this good this early. What was the first thing you saw with Drake? First thing you saw. You played the position and you went, oh, okay, that's beyond franchise.

That's, that's net. Because I think the NFL historically gives you franchise quarterback every year through the draft. About every five years, you get a you. You get a Montana. That's rare. I mean, I'm just a TV viewer. What did you see that I couldn't spot early with this ascension? Well, some of it is, you know, Josh McDaniel is still one of my great friends. I mean, I've known it for 25 years. And he just talks about his work ethic, his willingness to get better and improve week in and week out. He's a sponge for information. And that's more important. than what I see on the film because when I hear that I know that he's doing the thing that takes during the week that are going to show up consistently on the field

other people other coaches with other teams will say their quarterback a he's the last you know he's the first one out of the building you know he's he's he doesn't study does never opens his iPad I hear that from time to time and I go okay well I could see why on the film well that guy's not being successful so with Drake he has the physical ability he has the size but I think in terms of physical skill set his down field passing ability is awesome. So, you know, Josh McDaniels has done incredible job this year for the Patriots.

Drake is running the same system that I was in. I know how good that system is for quarterbacks, how Josh does teach these young quarterbacks all the different reasons why he's doing what he's doing, why we're trying to beat this coverage or how we're going to protect to give you the best chance to be successful. So he's in a great system to be successful. Braybill is focusing on the defense as he should be. Josh focused on the offense. That offense, just like in the early 2000s, the offense is carrying the defense.

Just like in Brable's defense of the days when I was a young second year quarterback in New England, that's the way it goes. So we've had this argument this week. Everybody is telling me, they say, well, the chiefs are just a little retool. I mean, they've got Mahomes and they've got Andy Reed. And I said, time out. name their 10 best players. I said, if you name the Seahawks, you get down to 8, and you're like, damn, that guy's, that guy's the third best guy in the league of his position.

You do the Rams, 10 best players. I'm like, man, Jared versus 3? You get to the Chiefs 10 best. I'm not talking legacy and resume. And I'm saying, I think it's better than Buffalo's roster that I don't love. I think it's a little bit more of a rebuild. You know, once you pay. you took pay cuts for a lot of this stuff.

You start paying 55, 58 for a quarterback. I think it's a bit more of a rebuild in Kansas City. Am I wrong? It'll be interesting to see what happens. We'll see how the season plays out. But they have Andy Reed, they have Patrick Mahomes,

they have Steve Spagnolo, Brett Veach, Clark Hunt. They got the foundations for success in Kansas City. So I know it's been not a typical cool year for them. I'm never counting them out until they're mathematically eliminated. I think when you have Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid and you're competing against them, you should worry about them. They're battle tested. They have proven that they're as competitive as anybody in the league. So there's always chances for every team. They're going to have to fix things at the end of

every season. Every team's going to have to fix things at the end of every season. But when you have those two pieces in place, Reed and Mahomes, I think everything is a little. tinkering. I don't think anything's a true rebuild when you have those two guys at the top. Okay, so Philip Rivers is going to play this week, and he's one of my favorite people that's ever played in the league. He is so genuine and authentic and funny. In fact, he was the first quarterback that ever told me. He goes, I've got to be honest, I like the process better than the game. He goes, I love the week of practice. And he was a trash talker. Like, he's the all-time southern trash talker. If I, I guess his high school is running the same offense,

the idea, and by the way, he moved like a batting cage when he was playing. So the idea, if I said to you tomorrow, ring, ring, Tom, can you play Sunday? If you kind of knew the offense, could you generate drives? Yeah, I certainly could. But first of all, who retires and then unretires, and then is ultimately going to retire? Who does that? Is that even? That's ridiculous.

Philip to do that. But good for him. I'm happy he's doing it. I think the answer for me would be yes. I'm not allowed to anymore because I'm an owner of a minority owner in the Raiders, so I can't unretire. But I'm very excited to watch Philip play because if he's out there, I think it's just very cool.

You know, he's, it speaks to, you know, how much he loves the game and really what he's able to do still. And this game is about for the quarterback from the neck up. And we used to have a saying at Michigan, the mental is to the physical. as four is to one at the quarterback position. And that doesn't really go away. That's still up there. Do you have the physical ability to still do it?

Take the hits, make the throws, the drops, you know, buy a little time in the pocket. And if Philip has been practicing those things, then we're all going to see it on full display in Seattle on Sunday afternoon. So I want to go back to Detroit Rams. It's the game you have. And I think it's interesting. Earlier this year, I thought Green Bay was a little broken. offensively, but Matt Lefleur solved it. And I've said this for years, Tom. I would rather have an offensive coach than a defensive coach. That said, I think DeMico Ryan's Vrable, Mike

McDonald are studs. They're great. I look at Detroit, and I kind of, I'm not sure week to week. They're not as good on third down. They're not as good in fourth down. But I want to go to a macro picture here because not every game for Tom Brady was great. Over the course of the season, you lose their left guard, and then your slot receiver shows up pregame and can't make cuts. How did you fix? Because the Rams haven't been broken this year. They've made changes. The Lions have felt there are weeks that are broken. How do you solve that? What is the first thing you would do if you're like, guys, the tape shows were just not right. There's no rhythm. What do you do to solve that? So I think the most important thing, and we use the term a lot,

certainly on broadcasting, is we'll say, complementary football. So when I was, for example, with the Patriots, and those were, you know,

20 of the best years the NFL has ever seen in terms of a standard of excellence that was put out there on the field, is we tried to win all three phases of the game every week.

It wasn't just these three parts of our team, offense, defense, special teams will all operate independently. And you'd be very surprised that a lot of teams see them as three individual teams within the same team.

But I knew we were going to win special teams every week because the emphasis that Bill Belichick put on special teams, not just from a meeting standpoint, but the types of players that he brought on the team to execute our special teams units, like Larry Izzo, like Matt Slater, like Nate Ebner, like Lonnie Paxton. We kept them as foundational pieces. So there was a standard of performance from special teams. So if we won special teams and we won offense, well, we've won two of the three phases of the game. Not to mention, we usually had one of the top defenses in the league.

So if we had, let's say, the best special teams unit and we won on defense and offensively we were injured, we would have to play maybe a little bit less aggressively. We'd punt a little bit more. We'd throw the ball a little less. We'd run the ball a little more. We would do different things within our offensive scheme to try to complement the other people. pieces because all we were trying to do was win that week. And I think what a lot of people miss out on is, okay, you're down this particular receiver.

Well, what do we do? Well, we're playing the Colts and they have a tremendous offense. The first thought on our offense was, let's run the ball a lot to try to minimize the amount of possessions we'll give the ball to the Colts. Let's run the ball. Let's control the clock. Let's try to win time of possession 35 minutes to 25 minutes because if they're not on the field, they're not scoring.

That's the best defense we can play. And every week there was a different formula. The urgency was there every week by our coaching staff, and that was communicated to our players about this is how we're going to win this week. That's the most important thing. What are we going to do two weeks from now when other guys are healthier, other guys are injured, or we don't know the strengths and weakness of that opponent, but we're going to evaluate the opponent we're going to play,

we're going to see their strengths, we're going to see their weaknesses, we're going to try to attack their weaknesses, and we're going to try to mitigate their strengths in all three phases of the game. That is an urgency that is probably missing a lot in the NFL. There's probably three or four teams that really do that, but most of them don't do that. And that's why when you get some injuries to a team,

to one of those lesser teams, well, they are screwed because if their slot receivers down or their tight ends down or their quarterbacks, they're not going to score points. And if they don't score points, they're not going to win. I'll wrap it with this. Last week was one of the first weeks, maybe the week before, that I watched football and I thought, good God, this looks miserable.

It looks so cold. It's snowing. It's awful. I have this sinking suspicion that you actually liked cruddy weather because you viewed it as an advantage because you were a great lousy weather, your ball, your hip movement.

You were a great crappy. I've told her that Chicago game in Soldier Field, left sideline. I remember watching it. thinking that is a perfect cold weather throw. So when the game looks miserable, were you sitting there on Wednesday thinking, oh, Peyton is going to be cold. He plays in the dome.

I can't wait. Did you like it? Absolutely. I looked at the weather more than anybody in the history of the NFL. My weather app was on overdrive during the football season, constantly looking at the conditions. We were playing in the conditions that our other teams, our conference were playing in. And because we were in New England, and we really, never practiced inside. We got so used to all the elements. We got used to the wind. I had to

really work hard to throw a very tight spiral. I worked on my mechanics incessantly so that I could drive the ball through the wind and the tighter the spiral was, the more it could penetrate the wind. So I knew I had to throw a tight spiral. I knew I had to keep my body warm and how was I going to keep my body warm? How many layers was I going to wear? You know, how many did I wear the scuba suit if it was below 20 degrees? When did I put it on? You just get so good because you practice in it all year round. In the springtime, we'd go back in April. We'd have 45 degree days in the rain. We'd be outside working out. So you just get accustomed to that environment. And now this time of year in the NFL, in the Northeast, in the Midwest, you know, these outdoor

games, they come down to weather 80% of the time. So you better be good in it. And you better embrace it rather than see it as a big disadvantage. And that's what we did. We always saw as an advantage, the shittier the weather, the better we are going to go out there and play. By the way, the broadcasting thing, you're having fun. Listen, I told you the, I said this off the air to you. You asked me before your first game, I said something like, listen, you're going to be nervous. I should have really said something nice. I was like, Tommy, you're going to be nervous for the first five minutes, and you're like,

oh, thanks. That really helped a lot, Colin. But I think broadcasting is similar to football. It's just reps. It's like work. reps. And I will just say this. Are you enjoying it as much as it appears you're enjoying it? Yeah, I could not have imagined the transition being any more fun and enjoyable than it's been. I have the greatest team in the world, the greatest partner in Kevin Burkart, Aaron and Tom,

Dean Blandino up there with me in the booth. The people that work with us, our whole crew, our director, Rich and Richie, our producer, our whole crew, our graphic, team, everybody in the truck, our cameramen. We have so much fun. It is such a team environment. We give each other shit all day. We laugh all day. And we get to cover football. And the only thing you want as a broadcaster is a good game. I'm rooting for good game for good football. I want to see guys perform very well. I want to see quarterbacks play well. I want to see them read the defense. I want to see good blocks. I want to see hard hits. I want the viewer to to really understand why this game is so fun to watch and then teach them a little bit along

the way about different things that may come up. But it's such an entertaining medium and I think I've really enjoyed it and it's gone on. You know you continue to gain more confidence about what your role is and I just know our best is yet to come. Good seeing you, you're always welcome. You know, I don't, they ask me they'll, I always tell management, I say, don't bother him, he's busy he's always welcome but you know you're always welcome so we just love having you on

i appreciate that thanks colin yeah you do such a great job you keep up the great work you're always on top of everything and it's uh it's amazing what you do every day so keep up the great work yourself all right thanks tom yeah it's thanks pal appreciate it you about broadcasting's fun it is got good cruise here and uh i'll watch the cold well i always said there was always a piece of video It was live. I was watching, it was on another network. And it was, I lived on the other coast. And I was watching, it was New England. It was Brady against Peyton Manning. And it was like aFC championship or something.

And it was snowing in Foxborough. Therefore, you know, I was an hour and a half away. It was snowing at my house. And it was just one of those things. It was a big sandwich game. Big sandwich. I'm sitting watching TV for four hours. And Jim Nance is getting ready. You know, he's, oh, boy, I got this, the kick coming up next. And they show a picture of Peyton Manning snowing. And he looks so cold. And I'm sitting with a friend, I'm like, game's over.

New England's winning the game. I said, look at Manning. And it just looked like he was playing the dome. And it was Foxborough cold. And I'm like, that's bad body language. Like he's cold now. And the Patriots did win that game, by the way. We'll take a break.

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Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis, and I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on Clay.

Jen she went. I mean, she went down to three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lina Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now, and I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open.

Listen to the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of I Heart Women's Sports. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened.

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Is somebody coming after me? Jacob told Levan, you're ruining my life. Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Tom Brady just stopped by for about 25-minute interview. One of the things I asked him about is, you know, Bo Nix and Caleb Williams, I've comped them. They have great offensive coaches. They're very athletic. They can make big plays.

They're excellent, late in games. But both have struggled with accuracy, specifically Caleb Williams. And Tom Brady said that will eventually be a problem. When you get to the bigger games and the playoffs and the defenses are better and the margin of error is less, you have to. to be an incredibly accurate passer. And the passing game is so important when you're behind in games. When you are down 28 to 3, you better be extremely accurate because the windows are very tight.

You're going to have to throw 30, 40 passes in the second half and overtime of the game against a myriad of different coverages. So you're going to have to understand the strengths and weaknesses of all the coverage. Yeah, it's, and you could argue, well, see, Colin, Green Bay, an elite team and an elite defense. And he threw a big interception. Fair argument. He also made two or three throws that I'm not sure

three guys in the league can make. But Chicago in a rare spot this weekend, they're a big favorite over Cleveland in that defense. So we'll keep our eye on that. And we'll have herd line news next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers.

And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created. our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it.

We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And, well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was.

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.

Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The French Open is one of the toughest tests. in tennis. And I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on Clay. Jenchian went. I mean, she went down to three to

Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lina Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Last night, a blown call changed a game.

This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athletes themselves. Their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games,

from buzzer beaters, to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports slice brings you closer to the action, with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slicalife-Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Jacob Kingston grew up in an isolated polygamous sect. We were God's chosen kingdom on earth. He felt destined for greatness.

So when a swaggering Armenian businessman catapults Jacob into an extraordinary world, he doesn't look back. Ferraris and Lamborghinis, private jets, meeting the president of Turkey. I'm Michelle McPhee, and this is one of the most shocking criminal conspiracies I've ever come across. When Jacob met Levant this plant to a billion dollar fraud. But with two kings from entirely different worlds, just how long can their empire survive? The largest tax investigation in American history. You need to tell me what you know. Is somebody coming after me? Jacob told Levan, you're ruining my life.

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All right, we got to go back to the Eagles, Colin. It is looking bleak. Three straight losses in a row. The vibes bunny thing is over. Jalen Hertz, listen, let's be real. He's had a rough stretch here. Yeah. He only had two picks coming into Monday Night Football.

He had four, five turnovers overall. He's confident in a bounceback against the hapless Raiders. Success or greatness? Those things aren't linear. You have your ups, you have your downs, but it's about how you respond to it. And I think about that. I mean, it's nothing new that I haven't faced before. It's a matter of responding to it.

And I got a lot of confidence how we respond. I got a lot of confidence how it would go. Really struggled reading that Jesse Minter's own defense. Just confused. Throws off. Raiders play a lot of zone. Fortunately, Raiders aren't many good players on their defense. But you believe in a bounce back here, right?

I do. I don't like these big spreads. Well, then just do like a moneyline parlay, the five big favorites. Put them all together. Which one of the, are the Jags losing to the Jets? I like my favorites, the Texans. Texans are beating the Cardinals. I don't see the Eagles losing to the Raiders. Well, they're not.

If they do, then we can talk about DefCon 1 and maybe. What's your favorite big number of the week? It might be the Eagles. I don't know. What? A good buy-lo's spot. I don't know how Minnesota is going to score on us. You're a value in that.

I don't know how the Colts are going to score on the Seahawks. They won't. Probably like 28-0-0. Maybe John Taylor breaks off a big run or something. But I think the Eagles bounce back. Listen, if they struggle against the Raiders, we really have problems. Otherwise, I think they're fine, and they coast. After this, they have Washington.

Could be Daniels or Marietta. Buffalo, good game. And then Washington again. They're making the playoffs, right? Siriani cannot possibly butcher this. I'm not so sure What? Really? Buffalo beats them and Washington beats them once.

Which Washington team shows up? I mean, come on. I don't know. I mean, I guess, yeah, minimum they win 10. They're going to host a playoff game. I think that Seahawks at Eagles would be really interesting. Oh, that will get. But wait, Sam Darnold, January outdoors against the Eagles defense.

That's going to be a low-scoring game. I don't know. Weirdly, I like the Eagles. I mean, it helps because they crushed the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, so I love them. But anyways, let's move on to the Pittsburgh Steelers. There was some Mike Tomlin drama recently, Colin. Fans were chanting fire Tomlin.

But there was a report that talked about Tomlin entering the final years of his deal. Well, according to a Steelers insider, get this, the leak of Tomlin's contract, came from his agent. And the insider for the Steelers believes they're setting things up for a parting of ways with the Steelers and Tomlin after the season. So Tomlin's people leaked it? Tomlin's people leaked it to show that Pittsburgh has a March 1st deadline to pick up his 2027 option.

So by March 1st, if they don't pick up the option, he's a lame duck coach. Nobody wants to be lame duck, right? I just still don't agree with this. I know a lot of Steelers fans are like, we had a good run, it's over. you're moving on from Tomlin? I feel like every Steeler season is the same. It's like Groundhog Day. When you watch this team, what is the only redeemable?

Or give me things that you know you're going to get every week. Mike Tomlin showing up on the sideline, good quotes. I don't know about TJ White. I don't know if you saw. We'll see what the health issue. I think Aaron Rogers has been one of the more. Come on. He couldn't move in the pocket against the bills, okay?

And then a week later, we look good against the Ravens. I don't think he's consistent. D.K. Metcalfe has been up and down. You're right. They don't have any great players anymore. Who's your best player on the Pittsburgh Steelers? Don't say Rogers. They're center from West Virginia.

Frazier. If you say so. I mean, I just don't know that they have a lot of high-end talent. Shail and Warren, they're running back? I think T.J. Watt is one or two. And then the center from West Virginia. What, I believe, has a career low in pressures this season. Well, yeah.

When I suggested last year, and you did, it's time to move him. That was met with outrage. Yeah. You got to get ahead of that stuff. Steelers hosting the Dolphins Monday Night Football. I see a three. As with all Miami games, check the weather.

If it's in the 30s, consider fading the dolphins, although that did now work against the Jets last week. Final story, Shadur Sanders. We have not talked about him yet today. Obviously, he's battled to move up the depth chart, and he's now starting the final three games of the season. They are difficult games. But even Greg Kosell acknowledged, he was good on tape.

He was good on tape against Tennessee. Okay. Anyway, here's what Shador said about the audition that he has to be the starter of the rest of the season. I just go here and enjoy my day, you know, work hard, do everything I can. And if I'm here, I'm not. Like, it's nothing in my control. So I try to control what I can't control.

It's going out there making the right reason, going out there, doing the right things, being the person I am. And things will fall how they're supposed to. Yeah, good quote. Is that Chodor flexing his own merch there at the... Was it? I mean, I saw a money sign to the second power. I've never seen that before.

Yeah, I think he's played well. I think there's a percentage of people in America that think there are those of us rooting against him. I thought he was going to be a first round pick. So I looked like a dope because he goes in the fifth round. So I liked him out of college. I didn't think he had A traits, but I thought he was a good B. Look at that dart right there to Jerry Judy. No, he's playing well.

It's a clean window. I don't think people are rooting against him. I think there's people absolutely rooting for him somewhat bizarrely. But this idea that there's this group of people on the Browns and outside of the Browns rooting against him. A cabal, if you will. Yeah, it's like, folks, I don't like watching bad quarterback play. I like why. I mean, Shadur's games are fun to watch.

He's going to throw a really bad pick every week. That's what young quarterbacks do. I mean, the guys had two starts at home. Okay, Dylan Gabriel was like, hey, go international game. Go play over there. He's better than Dylan. Come back and play the Steelers. I don't know.

He's got much higher season. We should have Sifansky on the show and ask him what he thinks. Well, he's not going to give him. Obviously. I mean, if he thinks Shadur is better, he would have started Shadur. Well, Shadur wasn't ready because. Dylan had so many college starts. He was more prepared.

I agree. I mean, you could say Shedur has the higher ceiling. Yes. Dylan, Gabriel, has the higher floor? Yes. I mean, if that, yeah. Yeah. Neither of them is starting week one next year.

You have kids. They mature at different paces. Incredibly so. Yeah, like it's bizarre. Who's a starting quarterback for Brown's week one next year? Probably should have her Sanders. Oh, stop. They're too good to get the number one or number two pick. They're going to win games.

Too good. What? No. Really? Can we get this Brown schedule for the rest of the season? I mean, I mean, I don't think they're winning this game. Here we go. Okay, so they're losing the Bears.

They ain't beating the bills. Let me tell you something. They're going to give that bills. They can run the ball. They just lost to the Titans, the one-win Titans. How are they beating any of these teams? Cleveland's absolutely winning one of those games. Absolutely Cleveland's winning one of those games.

Look that off social media team. Home, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati could protect Burrough. Winless. more Chador on tape, they're going to just eat him up. I mean, that resurgent Bengals, Steve. I'm telling you, they can't say it with a straight face. You can say what you want. They beat Green Bay.

That's with the less talented quarterback. Well, that was Flacco, actually. Less talented. So just remember, Fernando Mendoza could go one or two. If the Titans get one, they're not taking it. And then I don't think there's a big trade-up. So if the Brownsland, too... Oh, there's going to be a huge trade-up for Fernando Mendoza.

Massive. Three ones. Three one. I'm not joking. If the Jets do that, I will renounce on this show my Jets fandom. 30 years as a Jets fan, it's over. I'm not trading up three ones. That's insanity.

Stop. Okay. I didn't say you didn't get stuff back. A couple five round, fifth round, fixed back. I love those. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Hurd-Lie News. Yeah, Tom Brady. he was on earlier, and everybody knows how aspirational he's been, but he started talking about, you know, the things that he looks for in quarterbacks, and a lot of it's just the drive, the want to be great. If you want to be successful in the NFL, you better have the drive and determination every day of your life in season and off season to try to go out and be the best in the world. You've got to be brushing your teeth in the morning, thinking about your throwing mechanics, thinking about the calls your coach is going to make on third down, the anticipation

you need to throw in a particular game. This has to be your life. It has to be so important that you're thinking about it all day, every day, certainly during the season. Yeah, I think that's very true about almost everything, is that, you know, one or two things are true. You have to outwork people to move up the chain. faster and you also have to take

some big swings in your life or are you going to be in the middle of the pack? And I, you know, I mean, Tom took a big swing going to Tampa and you say, well, what kind of big swing it was? When he was in New England, the regular commentary was, well, Bella Checks about 70-30.

Belichick won 11 games with Matt Castle. I mean, this is way, but Tom changed the entire narrative. He goes to Tampa, wins the Super Bowl. New England circles the ring. That was a risk. Not a lot of people predicted Tom's going to the wacky buccaneers. That's not what people thought. When that came out, people went, whoa. Then they looked at it and

went Bruce Ariens, good receivers. He's going to bring gronk down. But it is you got to take swings. That's why I don't beat up people too much when they take swings and miss. You got to take them. And the hit rate, the bigger the swing, the uglier the miss, and the more often you miss. First Things First is coming up now. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas.

We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We get to ask other people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick.

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Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app, podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Winning on Clay is an art. The rallies are relentless. And at the French Open, only the toughest survive. I'd know. I competed there for decades.

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