The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - Tom Brady Talks Eagles vs. Chiefs, JJ McCarthy, and Coaching QBs

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

7-time Super Bowl champion Tom Brady joins the show to preview the Super Bowl rematch between the Eagles and the Chiefs on Fox.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Mahomes was terrible, rotten, awful in the Super Bowl, got roughed up. Philly blew him out. Mahomes is now discussing how the Eagles were able to slow him down back in February. To progress and to be better next time, you have to watch and learn from it. And so I don't know the exact amount of times, but you watch it, and then you watch it in the offseason with the team and with the coaches, and then you watch it obviously this week as well. And so they had a great game plan.

They played hard and did a great job of disrupting my timing. And so I have to learn from that, find ways to get the ball out of my hand. And then when the opportunities are there, I think that's something I did miss early in the game, is there was opportunities to make plays. And you've got to make those plays, because if you don't, they're not going to allow those opportunities again. Yeah.

I think this could get ugly. I think Philadelphia rolls. Well, you remember one of us called the Super Bowl accurately. And oh, by the way, in case you're curious audience, pro football focus graded out the tackles of the Chiefs. And this is just from week one against the Chargers, who had Khalil Mack and mediocre pass rush. Josh Simmons, the rookie, 56th out of 65 tackles.

And Joanne Taylor, who's terrible, graded out as 57th. Both not very good. That was the problem in the Super Bowl. I think the Eagles get after him again and I'm with you. I like Philadelphia to go into Arrowhead, send the chiefs, your chiefs. Ah, sorry, Nick's Chiefs to O.N. 2. Next story, Colin is JJ McCarthy. Boy, what a comeback on Monday night football.

Went off in the fourth quarter. Three touchdowns. Big comeback. During his press conference yesterday, McCarthy talked about how his persona changes when he steps on the field. Paraharhole role. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it is real when, you know, I'm ready to go to war on Sundays, Mondays, and Thursdays, and, you know, sometimes Saturdays and Thursdays and Wednesdays, yeah. But, yeah, it's really just like a flip that's switched and, you know, the rest take care of itself from there.

Yeah, pretty impressive. Kind of like us, when we walk into the studio, it's like a different J-Mac. It's like, oh, he's locked in. He's ready to go. I like what I saw from McCarthy-Collins. Final story, Travis Hunter. He made his NFL D. debut in week one, didn't have a huge impact, did catch six passes for 33 yards, and

defensively Hunter made a tackle. He ended up playing 42 offensive snaps, just six on defense, but head coach Liam Cohen said, he's got to be playing a little more defense this weekend against the Bungles. Going into week one, it was okay, we're probably, we know that it's not going to be a ton on defense. The goal is to increase and continue to increase. It just so happens that we're playing Cincinnati with two good wide us this week. Yeah, I like Cincinnati. Definitely. I get the better quarterback at home.

Yeah. Bit of a cop out. Give me the over in this one. I think we're going to see points and offense. The Bengals defense. I mean, Joe Flacco moved the ball at will. Yeah. Yeah, I agree.

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Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio

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I mean, I had a lot of big stars in that game. Unfortunately, right now, if you listen to the top 10 to 12 players, I think it would be eight. I mean, obviously, Chris Jones and Patrick Mahomes would be in there, but I just think there's a preponderance and a dominance, the Philadelphia's roster. I mean, do top of your head, 10 best players in that game. I mean, you could take three offensive line with the Eagles alone. Jalen Carter would be in there. Sequin Barclay's in there.

Jalen Hertz is probably in there. I mean, it's, it's right now. Now, Philadelphia's roster, there's not a lot of holes. Jalen Carter returned. So the Cowboys had some success running the ball. I doubt they have as much success as the Cowboys had with Jalen Carter returning. And I also think this week we've had really good standalone games in the NFL. So the Bears and the Vikings, the more it gets examined by people I respect,

the more disheartening it is for Chicago. and Tom Brady's talked about this before. So much of being a quarterback in the NFL is pre-snap, so much as operations. So, I mean, it really is. It's the foundation of the house. Forget about the snazy kitchen. You've got to get the foundation right. And Greg Kosel earlier today did not mince words on what the film said about Caleb's week one performance.

He's got things that need to be clearly working. worked on. I'm sure they're working on them. There's too many what we call turn downs, throws that are there that he does not make. And in any given week, Colin, and you know this, can he make special plays because he has a great arm and throws a beautiful ball, although he missed a lot of throws with poor accuracy in this game, but he has a beautiful arm and he's obviously very mobile and can make plays outside of structure. But that's not the way you can live in the NFL, as you know, week to week. yeah, if you take off the first 10 passes, he was 10 for 10, that's on script.

And that's impressive, right, against Brian Flores. But if you take away the first 10 passes, and offensive coaches love the script those, first 10, 12, 15 plays, it was pretty meager. It was pretty bad. And then the issues for Caleb seem harder to correct. footwork, pre-snap penalties, leads the league last 18 games by 48% on balls overthrown. J.J. McCarthy's issues were in-game much easier to correct, which were kind of lack confidence. It was a pretty protective game plan.

And so when Greg Kossel looked at J.J. McCarthy on his performance, here's what he saw. When a coordinator calls a play and the primary receiver is open and the play breaks down the defense the way you anticipate when you make the play call and the quarterback executes it, which is what you want, by the way, that's what every coordinator wants. Where do we give the credit? J.J. McCarthy will reap the benefits of Kevin O'Connell being one of the best in the league at being able to do this. And I think my general takeaway is Caleb Williams was at his best. On script. J.J. McCarthy was at his best, the last three drives, mostly off script. Right? So, like, the further you get away from leaning on coaching, it being a little bit of a crotch.

Because I don't know what the percentages are, but I wouldn't be surprised if the highest percentage of scoring in the NFL is on first drives. I mean, that's the stuff because 65% of winners in the NFL, the first team to score. So, you know, your coaches, you want to take an early. early lead. On average, 60, 65% of winners in the NFL lead a game. So that first drive is, you know, it's really important to trail going into a fourth quarter as a road team and then to win convincingly just doesn't happen a lot. And it usually takes a pretty special level of quarterback play. And I was talking to Jake Butt, former Michigan tight end before the show started today he works with the Big Ten network, and I just bumped into him in the hallway here,

and he said, you know, that is the thing with J.J. McCarthy, because Jake went to Michigan, McCarthy, a Wolverine, is that he always sort of had that confidence, is that he was just always a guy that believed it himself, and Harbaugh believed that him, and his reputation was he was a gamer. Like, he played his best when he had to play his best. And that's what he did. So so much of quarterback play is how do you play on the road? How do you play? Now, he did have the advantage of a pretty substantial run effort of Vikings. So that's some of it.

But I mean, listen, it is not how you start in this league. It is how you finish. That's what we remember. And so my gut feeling is J.J. McCarthy will look much more like the fourth quarter, JJ, than the first quarter. I mean, that's what I'm going to go off of. Any good quarterback can go on script, but the special guys are good off script.

And so that's what's disturbing about Caleb Williams. He leads the NFL, the last 18 games and overthrows. The operations are a problem pre-snap. He completed 65% of his throws are slightly less on the layups, on the stuff six yards and under. So you're like, what is he good at? The layups, overthrows. So he's got, you know, he's got a ton of horsepower.

But, I mean, there's, listen, the more you start breaking down the stats on Caleb Williams, the more discouraging it is. It is not a lot. It really reminded me of a less refined Cam Newton. Cam had his, I never felt like, I never, I didn't love Cam's mechanics, and he was always a bit distracted. But Cam could get on heaters with accuracy. Cam could have, you know, he could have a four-game stretch where, cam was really humming, really feeling it. I would just like to see, you know, I would like to see a half off script of Caleb Williams performing at a high level. That's what I'd like. That's what

I'd like to see. And so, listen, it is, like, I'll give an example. Like Bryce Young last year, at the end of the year, Bryce Young played pretty well. Now, it doesn't mean he was winning. In week one, Bryce Young got beat by Jacksonville. But if you went to the PFF rankings, Bryce Youngs were pretty decent. PFF's like, no, he grades higher than the result. The problem is off script, Caleb grades worse than your gut feeling your hunch. When you go look at all the, it's worse. So there's not a lot there.

You know, this league, if you go look at the greatest plays by Brady and Peyton Manning and Breeze, They are not highlight plays. They're really not. They're mostly timing routes. I mean, now, Tom had a couple over-the-top throws, one against the jets, the Randy Moss. But most of Tom, Manning and Breeze, most of their great moments were timing stuff. A perfectly thrown ball in the seam to beat the safety by a half step.

That's where the highlights are. So now, now Mahomes is a little bit of the same. He's got some of that and he's got some great plays. but there's not a lot to wrap your arms around. Usually as a coach, you're looking for stuff to wrap your arm around. It's say, okay, here's what we do well. There's not a lot. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down?

Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Steve Nash will get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that, I said, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Keith Giananka seemed like a mild-mannered suburban dad. But secretly, he became someone else, a master of disguise who went on a crime spree.

At the time, did it seem like a crazy idea? It seemed very crazy. But I felt so desperate that I felt it was the quickest, easiest way out. Did you allow yourself to think about how it could go wrong and what that might look like? No. I didn't want to manifest that. I was trying to manifest success. Every family has its secrets. But what happens when you discover that your dad has been living a double life?

That is not the look of an innocent man. This is going to change my life and my family dynamic forever, because everything that had existed prior in my reality is now untrue. Listen to Deep Cover the Family Man on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. with that 23 years seven-time super bowl champ tom brady is now joining us live tom as always it's great to see how are things let's up calling nslc season week two let's go let you know i was saying about j j mccarthy let's start you're a michigan guy is that he's got a little baker mayfield

i i thought you were a guy like when i think emotional players baker's a guy that when baker gets into a run his chest puffs out, his velocity increases, his accuracy increases. He wears his emotions on his sleeve. I don't feel that with you. I didn't feel that. I don't think Michael Pennix says that. But when I watched JJ, fourth quarter hits Justin Jefferson on the sideline, Tom, it was like I gave him a B12 shot.

He puffed out three. Take me through that about how emotion affected you positively or negative. because I think JJ is an emotional player. I absolutely love it when I see that type of emotion. I think it brings you to kind of higher level of focus. Stands in there, takes a hit, makes a great throw. And that game is all about emotional, being at kind of a feverish pitch, but also controlled. And I could get there emotionally in a way that probably didn't look like it on my face.

I think JJ just expresses that a little bit more. I always think like, I watch golf a lot. And I see these golfers hit these holding ones and they like tip their cap and they're like, and I'm like, man, I'd be going crazy. And I love Ryder Cup style golf where guys are fist pumping. And I just think that emotion, when you're electrified as a player, you play with the most focused, the most anticipation. Everything ends up being at the highest sense of kind of the alertness. So I love that aspect of his game. He's just got to keep that going for a long time.

That, I believe, is part of your conditioning and that ability to elevate your teammates as well in those big moments. And I love seeing that from a Michigan man. So we all know during your dynasty, there were some things we could bank on. Belichick's defensive coaching, your efficiency, you guys always had a better than average run game. Lost in a lot of your success, the two winning his teams, the last 25 years, have been Green Bay and your teams. Why? Why is that?

And I would argue this, offensive line play. The Packers almost never have a bad O-line, and because of Dante Scarnicchio, you didn't. So, Mahomes now is in a different situation. He has now been blown out twice in Super Bowls, once by you, because of deterioration of O-line play. So their tackles, Tom, in week one, graded incredibly poorly. So you didn't have a lot of that deterioration. But go to games in which I remember that giant Super Bowl, the first play of the game, I was with a friend, and the Giants rushed through and I said,

I said, Tom's in trouble. They lost all four battles up front. When the offensive line is deteriorating, go to your career. What does it do for a great quarterback? Well, I always say you control the line of scrimmage, you control the game. So when you control both sides of the line of scrimmage, you have a huge opportunity for success. And it takes someone like Patrick Mahomes to kind of have that Mahomes magic and pull the rabbit out of his hat in order to keep his team in the game. And he's had a lot of unique offensive line combinations Patrick has.

they've been trying to find a left tackle at that position for a long time in that offense. And it's a challenge because it affects the way the quarterback feels like, can I really sit back there and do I trust my teammates up front to be able to protect me long enough so that I could see down the field to read the coverage and then make a very decisive, of accurate throw. So he's got to find a way to overcome that. And he has in so many ways. I'm like Patrick had,

even though despite his stats being down a little bit last year, I still think he had an incredible season. They won 15 games. And, you know, you see that throw on the run right there. There's only a few guys that could make that throw. Patrick's one of them. And he is so poised back there. And I think they're actually with, you know,

thinking about that offensive line with the rookie Simmons, with Sue Mataya, who's in there as a second round pit from last year, Creed Humphrey and Trey Smith at right guard. They're set up to have a pretty good offensive line as they gel and grow together. So that will be great for Patrick to feel like he has some confidence to stand back there because the Super Bowl, look, so much of that game ended up being, can we block the Eagles defensive front? And that Eagles defensive front played their tail off that game.

And really the chiefs had no chance when they were rushing that well. I remember years ago, I've referenced this several times. You were talking to Jay Glazer, and it was, I think it was after a practice, because everybody else was clear. And you said, it was, you were still in New England, you said, you know, Jay, I've seen every coverage. You can beat me, but you're not going to fool me. I've seen everyone. And you've been very vocal about the pre-snap operational side has deteriorated. Is there a quarterback, though?

right now in the league, that you look at pre-snap and you're like, yeah, you can see it. I can see he's operating at a different level. Is there one or two guys? And I would imagine they're older that you look and you can tell from head movement, you can tell from the directions that you can tell pre-snap are elite. Well, Matt Stafford just jumps to the top of my mind. I'll tell you why. When you see someone do there's no look passes like he did last week,

he knows where the defense is going to be aligned. So he knows, okay, he sees a certain coverage. He knows the high, low combination that's going to work against that coverage. So he stares at the low defender, draws the coverage to the low defender, stares at the low defender, and then throws it to the higher receiver in the combination. So that is an elite level of play and his ability to recognize defenses and then make those type of throw. So he's the one, and again, he's a veteran quarterback. He's played a lot of football.

I think Patrick really understands the games and combinations like that as well. But you're right. There's just not a lot. There's a lot more, I would say, physical development happening at a younger age, but less, I would say, mental, emotional development from quarterbacks. And, you know, I had a chance to talk to Andy Reid about that, had a chance to talk to Patrick Mahomes about that this week. No, one of the, they said, look, Patrick flat out said,

I can't thank Alex Smith enough for everything that he did for me. All as I did was ask him questions in the meeting room my first year. And I look at my first year. That's all I did with Drew Bledsoe. Aaron Rogers had three years to sit behind Brett Farrv. Eli Manning sat behind Kurt Warner. There's a lot of guys, and I would say a lot of successful players that weren't kind of thrown into the fire

because what happens is you can lose your confidence so fast because when the real games are happening and the blitzes are coming and you don't understand protection and you don't understand coverage and you start taking hits and you start throwing interceptions, you begin to lose confidence that, hey, I don't even know how to play football. I don't know how to go down and lead our team to score points. I can't even make and complete a pass. So if you're sitting in the meeting room and learning, I actually think that's the best way to learn because you can understand it on the board.

You can understand it on the video screen. You can go out to a walkthrough. And then you can learn and practice by making a lot of, you know, good decisions, bad decisions, without necessarily being critiqued from the outside world and losing, you know, look, you got PFF graded in you every week like you were just referencing there before I came on. They're grading you. And now you go as a first year quarterback. You barely know, and now everyone's telling you you suck.

And it takes a while to regain your confidence. You lose your whole fan base. And it's really unfortunate, but that's very much the state of the league. And I think we've dumbed down the game in so many ways to allow for a lesser caliber developed player to get in there and lead an organization. So, you know, I always had this theory that quarterbacking should be easier now. You have personal coaching, seven-on-seven camps. I mean, guys like you and Drew Bledsoe and Troy Aikman have told me, like, I literally had like, you know, eight high school games a year.

You know, you're like, I had 40 starts, including high school. Well, guys now have 10,000 snaps by the time they're 14 years old. So I've always said as a sports commentator, I used to give guys three years. My argument now is Thanksgiving year two. The GM, the coach, the coordinator, need to go upstairs in a room, privately, raise their hands. Yes or no. And I don't care where you drafted him.

I would give Caleb 11 more weeks, Caleb Williams, let's go upstairs. Is that fair? I know it sounds kind of harsh, but Thanksgiving year two, I believe quarterbacks, if the operations aren't there, he's not the guy. Is that too soon? Yeah, but I would argue this. You're assuming that everybody knows how to develop a quarterback. You're assuming that you're going into a program.

I mean, I'm telling you, this is not, there's a lot of people who have no idea what they're doing when they're tasked with coaching a quarterback or calling an offense. So are you saying, I mean, just like we rank quarterbacks one to 32, do you rank offensive coordinators one to 32? Do you rank quarterback coaches one to 32? Well, what if you had the 32nd ranked coordinator in someone's mind? The 32nd ranked quarterback coach. How is he getting a level of development that the guy who's, first is getting when i got to the patriots i sat behind drew who was a franchise quarterback right in my second year it's training camp and we had a very good quarterback coach named dick

rabine and god rest his soul unfortunately he passed away in training camp and of a heart attack and it was a very difficult loss for our team and the way that we found a way to continue on that season is Bill Belichick became more of a quarterback coach than we ever imagine him being a quarterback coach. He was a defensive, he was obviously a head coach, very involved in defensive game planning, but he decided to come in every week and talk to the quarterbacks about coverage. All right guys. And he would do these big write-ups and they still have them all because I kept everything. Tom, this is cover one. This is how they play it. This is who are responsible for who? Okay, if we line up in a bunch formation, this is how they're going to

handle the bunch formation. This is why they do that. This is the weakness of that, why they do that. You shouldn't do this if that's just how they cover this. Okay, this is cover two. This is how they cover two. This is they play two variations that cover two. When they're in this variation, this is what they're trying to stop. When they're in this varies, this is what they're trying to stop. Okay, this is cover four. This is how this team uniquely plays couple four. We shouldn't line up in this formation to try to run this concept. For a one year, I had for actually more years beyond that. That's how I developed and learned,

oh, defense calls a certain play. This is how we can put them in this formation and they can back the coverage off and I'll have a short throw underneath. Oh, great, I love that. Let's do that. Nobody's getting that type of development. So I learned from an offensive standpoint

watching Drew and having very good offensive coaches. Then I had a defensive coach, the best one of all time, teach me how to read defenses. Then I would go out and meet with, player personnel people, you know, who are very talented. Okay, we go through the entire defensive lineup. Okay, these are all the things that this defense does.

This is what this player does well. This player does well. That's development. You're giving people knowledge and information that you could take to the field so that you could play with confidence and anticipation, and that would free you up to play a very aggressive style of football. So I'm saying, what if you're a quarterback, you go to a system and they don't teach you coverage.

They don't teach you cover one. They don't teach you cover two. They don't teach you cover four. They don't have personnel meetings. They give you an offensive game plan and they go, all right, buddy, here you go, figure it out. And after Thanksgiving year, they're going, man, this guy just can't play anymore. He stinks. He can't recover.

It's like, dude, what, what, did you teach him anything? Did you groom him? Did you spend time after practice? Did you work on the physical parts of his game? Did you work on his throwing mechanics? Did you work on his drops? Did you work on the mental parts of the game? Did you understand how to help him study film better?

So all of these aspects, physical part about football, the physical part is one aspect. I got was a 199 pick in the draft because so many people were focused on a physical skill. Tom Brady, too weak, couldn't stand in the pocket. You know, if he gets hit, he's going to go down. You know, laughs are really strong arm. That was kind of bull-h. But what I really understood the mental emotional part, I could bring a consistent, competitive winning attitude to the game every day or to practice and the games every single week. Mentally, I could absorb information.

You could give me, just like Belichick did, pages of notes, and I could process those things and then take them to the field and play with the anticipation. So what I lacked for, maybe in a bit of physical development, I far exceeded a lot of other people in mental emotional development. And that's a hard thing to evaluate. But I'd also say there's not many people who even know what to do. You know, it's not like they're CEOs of businesses. A lot of times they're football coaches with all due respect. They're not running large corporations. You know, as Bill Parcell said, you know, they're PE coaches a lot of times.

They get elevated to, you know, coaching positions. You know, it's funny. I said, I thought Jaden Daniels last year. Not because he can move or he has a nice arm. It was the best rookie quarterback I'd ever seen in terms of poise, two-minute drill that had to play. Now, Mahomes was great, but he got to sit behind, you know, Alex Smith, who's the great teacher. But I mean, drafted play, now go. And I was thinking about this, and the thing that blew me away with him, and Kingsbury was saying this in camp.

And I remember being on there saying, Cliff, slow down. You're raising the bite. Cliff's like, I can't believe this kid. And I'm like, guys, he's a rookie. Bring it down. His poise, and you know what I think about this is crazy? You had this at a very early age, your first year starting, right, replacing Drew. Is it parenting?

Like, I think it's innate that some kids have, right? And I watched Jaden Daniels, I'm going to look his parents up. What did his parents do? He was so cool and calm. I don't think you can teach that. I'm watching him in week three. There's a buck 20 on the clock. no facial expression

I'm like okay that's not that's from home that's from something I believe the one thing you can't teach nobody can teach it is you are either calm in crisis or you're not that if you're anxious in a teeth clencher it never goes away no matter how good

you can you can get explain that you had it jaden had it did you learn it or did you have it when you were 12 Yeah, there's poise and composure in big moments that I do think separates kind of elite performers. And I would say it's probably a high sense of self-confidence in big situations. You see that with Patrick Mahomes. I think he's probably one of my favorite ones in the NFL right.

For a lot of reasons, but you see his face in big moments. And it just doesn't seem, it's a big moment for everybody else except him. And the difference is he actually looks more focused and more. urgent and more ready to go and you know you you you know you just he's just so laser focus and there's some guys that play like that and there's others that look a little bit frenetic I mean Tiger Woods like Tiger Woods look like that in golf the bigger the moment you know the more determined he look that's probably the right word yeah and there's certain people who have I would say no

fear of failure and that allows you that frees you up to go out and be your best because people that fear of failure will then that means they're trying to control it. And when you feel that lack of control or lack of confidence, well, people can see it on your face. A lot of times you could see it in the eyes of the quarterback. So, you know, Jaden is very impressive in everything that he's done. Certainly his last year was one of the great rookie seasons of any young quarterback.

And again, you know, we had them last week. We had commanders giant. It's like, I'm always looking for, okay, that's great. What's the next step in development? And then the next step and the next step and the next step and the next step. And, you know, from the time that you start to the time you finish, there just continues, there needs to be an upward trajectory every single year based on all the things that you experience. And so a lot of things that happen physically, mentally, emotionally,

over the course of a career, life on the field, off the field that you need to be able to grow with as you get a little bit older and you continue to develop. All right, big game this weekend. Ratings are up. Tom, you sounded great. You sounded comfortable. and congratulations and all that stuff. Hey, good start for everybody. You know what it is?

I got the best team in the world. I got the best partner, Kevin Burkart, next to me, Aaron and Tom on the field, Z and Roos down in the truck along with everybody else. And I love my team at Fox. I know we're just going to keep getting better. We're going to stay humble. We're going to stay hungry.

We're just going to keep working as hard as we can to show up for one another and try to provide the viewer with the best possible experience. and this week, America's game of the week, 425 Sunday. Eagles at Chief couldn't get a better game, Super Bowl rematch. I am fired up, and it's Thursday afternoon. Let's go. Tom Brady, LFG, let's go. I'll leave the F out, the LG, let's go.

All right, thanks, buddy. That's right. All right, Tom Brady. He's all fired up. That was Tom Brady. You got a little Tom Brady as if he was in the huddle. I love that. Chiefs are a home dog for the second time ever with Patrick Mahomes as a starting quarterback.

What would be the first? Was it when Brady went there and beat him in the... Possibly. Or Buffalo, maybe? The Buffalo, was it when Buffalo, they beat Buffalo the 13-second game? Was Buffalo favored in that one? So, Colin, I think I've been here. Is this year three?

I don't know, whatever it is, three or four on this show. I think that may be the single greatest interview. I'm like taking notes. Like, he said some unbelievable stuff specifically about quarterback. that you and I should be talking about out there. I love that. Tom, that was amazing. That was incredible stuff.

The only other instance, it was, oh, okay, it was week six in 2022. It was not the playoff game. It was weeks. Bill's had success against Kansas City, just not in January. So it was week six, they beat him. And over the last four seasons, the Eagles and the Chiefs are tied for the best record in the NFL. I like Philadelphia by a touchdown or more. I think Philadelphia, if you lined up 12 best player in the game, I think nine are Eagles.

Now, I get Andy Reed, I get Arrowhead, and I also get a Chief's team off a loss, so they're going to be salty. So it's going to be somewhat close, but boy, in terms of roster composition, if Xavier Worthy can play, that helps. There's a report now that Worthy may be at practice today with his teammates. Okay, that's good. It's literally just emerging right now. But I can't expect him to play. Come on. It's a long game.

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