The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - Tyler Dunne Stops By

Episode Date: September 8, 2025

More one week 1 of the NFL and Colin previews Vikings-Bears tonight!NFL reporter Tyler Dunne stops by The Herd to talk about the Bears and the chaos between Caleb Williams and former HC Matt Eberflus.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Jeff Hathley, the defensive coordinator in year two. I mean, they just kind of plugged in Micah Parsons. But, you know, these young receivers now have been there two and three years. Crafts, I think the tight ends on his second year. So, I mean, like, there's a lot of continuity in Green Bay. That was an advantage over Detroit, traveling new coordinators, breaking in new interior offensive linemen. So there was a lot of movement by the Lions.

But I think Micah Parsons only played 40% of the snaps. But I don't think there's any denying the energy and the bravado and the confidence he brought to the Packers. And here's Micah after. This last six months was super draining, super toxic for everyone. I mean, it's something that, you know, I don't think no players should have to go through. I could have been with these guys getting better and better,

and we could have had probably even more dominant start, you know, if that was the decision we was going to make so. I'm just happy that's behind. These guys embrace me. They believe in my talents. They believed in me, and I'm just going to get these guys everything I have because I know what's at stake.

And the other thing is, because of Micah is sort of see the quarterback, go get the quarterback, it does force you. He'll be double-teamed a lot. That is clear. and he'll open up Rishon Gary. He's going to open up lanes and space for other Packer defenders. And this is an organization that does offense staggeringly well. But outside of the Charles Woodson acquisition or Reggie White,

you know, you always feel like they're missing the big star. And Micah is that. Here's Matt Hasselbeck earlier on what he provides. The unknown for an offense, when you're going up against a great pass rusher and you don't know where he's going to line up you don't know what down he's going to play on you you don't know like our whole you know before you drop any pass plays you drop your protection schemes and a lot of times you'll say okay we're going to slide the line to him well what if he's not even on the field now what it's like having a great

closer in baseball like you we got a closer you know like if it's third and long we got it you know we're going to have a game changing play we're going to close the door we're going to we're going to do it Yeah, it was just pretty impressive to watch. He had his first sack. You could feel the energy from the crowd, the anticipation. And it's not like this roster had a big hole, but in a division, Kevin O'Connell offensive coach, Ben Johnson offensive coach. You start looking around the division, Dan Campbell offensive coach, they need to get offenses off the field. they needed an edge playmaker.

And it looks, again, he's not in perfect shape. He only played 45% of the snaps. So they had a top five scoring defense last year. Or excuse me, they had a top five scoring defense one time during Aaron Rogers Prime, and they got to the Super Bowl. So they've never, you know, it's not like they don't draft well. They've spent a lot of first round picks on defensive players, but they've never had a lot of swagger.

They've never played defensively with a lot of. of attitude. And it felt like you saw a little bit. Now, again, Detroit rebuild O-line, new offensive coordinator, some of that, and nobody plays starters, a lot of snaps in the preseason. So some of it is it looked like Detroit did not have its footing, but it was still impressive. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So we can't get to every game, but we haven't really touched on Atlanta, Tampa. It was a thriller. And the young fella at Ohio State, Emeka Igbuka, had an unbelievable game.

I have him on my fantasy team. Four catches, 67 yards, two tuddies, including the game winner late and the fourth. Here's Baker Mayfield on his budding rookie star. I think the way he carries himself. I've told you guys that it wasn't a front. You guys saw it live today in person. He's the real deal. True professional, doesn't play like a rookie, doesn't act like a rookie.

his head's never spinning, so he made some unbelievable catches in place today for us, and obviously you're going to continue to lean on him. You know, did you notice what he said? Adult doesn't play like a rookie, doesn't act like a rookie. Baker acted like a rookie. Now he doesn't. Like, Baker's now a leader. Baker's now an adult.

So there is so, this is what I had predicted before the season. I talked to a couple general managers, and they were like, This kid is ready to be a 75-catch 10-touchdown guy with Baker Mayfield this year. And if you watch the replay, Baker did an amazing job looking off the safety. Perfect placement. I was on the foul because my one loss on Friday's headline. What was a go-either-way game? It was, but, you know, Pennix put up some good numbers.

That's a great route, by the way, by Emeka. I mean, that's just awesome everything. And by the way, when Godwin comes back and Tristan Wirfs comes back, maybe Tampa's a little frisky, I didn't see a great run game out of them yesterday. I'm going to still say Atlanta is slightly better. Who did you come away like thinking's a better team here? Well, I think Baker has found a star receiver, and I guess I wasn't looking for better.

Okay. As I watched this game, I was looking for validation that they made the right pick. Remember when they brought in Kirk Cousins and Michael Pennix, and my take was, I think it's great that Pennix doesn't have, to start and he's probably not as good as Kirk Cousins, but he's going to get great value sitting and watching. And I thought Pennix, I mean, that's a intense division rival opener. And I thought Pennix was unfazed by it. I don't think we have video, but on the final drive, Drake London was out, did not play. And Pennix threw a dime to a wide receiver who

like lost it in the lights of the dome. I don't know what happened, but he just didn't make the play. Anyways, nice win. By the way, the kicker on Atlanta. I'm not going to savage a guy right now, but good news. Usually makes those kids. You're in a dome. Make a 44-yard field goal. Next up, college football, Colin, the AP top 25 was released.

Here we go. Florida is the biggest loser. Oh, my gosh. They lost a USF. They're done. However, the SEC, are you ready? 11 teams in the top 25? What?

11. You see Auburn and Missouri kicked in there at the bottom as we get it on the screen. Ohio State, number one, Penn State, number two, LSU 3, Oregon, Oregon, 4, the Hurricanes 5. Any deep thoughts here? Texas did not look great early, but they rebounded. USC's nowhere. Should they be?

I was there. They're pretty interesting. Offensively, they're pretty good. Who are you booting here? Are they better than Indiana? I told you. I'm not blown away by Michigan. replacing Jim Harbaugh, go look at the coaches that have tried.

Yeah. By the way, what is Clemson doing at 12? They were trailing Troy for most of the game. Wasn't it like 16 to 3? Yeah, they were getting, and I sure they came back, but Clemson should not be a top. I think Oklahoma is probably a little better than 13th. We had said on this show, I liked Oklahoma to win that game comfortably.

I think they found their quarterback. Okay. But here's a really good player. I think Florida State is probably a little better than 10. Yeah, they'd, scored like 77 points or something like that? I mean, FSU is making some early statements here, Colin. All right, let's get to the final story.

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No, no, it looks good. Thank you. You got the silver fox thing going on? Okay, yeah, whatever. No, it's been amazing. It is a gratitude. across the board is I've been doing this for a long time. Easily the best crew, best partner I've ever had. We have total support for management. We never see them. We'll see our management

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So I was thinking, do we have week two, because tonight caps off week one. And I always have a rule is that in the NFL, unlike college, if a team gets blown out in college, they may just be bad. But if a team gets blown out and humiliated in the NFL, take them the following week. Like I think Detroit, and I have some misgivings about the Lions, I would probably lean Detroit.

I think the Giants lost, but they weren't humiliated. I would, here's my issue. Generally, I would bet Miami because they were so humiliated. But I don't know if there's anything left in the tank. I really don't. If you didn't watch Miami and Colts, there was no effort defensively. Like, this is not a shot at Daniel Jones, but, you know, we don't look at Daniel Jones as kind of, you know, elite or even top second tier. He did whatever he wanted to. I guess the three biggest storyline starting on Thursday.

Three biggest storylines, we have the schedule here. Number one, Dallas and Dak looked way better than people thought. I thought they had a lottery field to them. Dallas on Thursday looked better. Friday, the story is the regression is beginning for Kansas City. You're not going to win all these one-score games. And then in the early window yesterday, I think the story is Justin Fields played his best game as a pro into the Jets have a quarterback.

And Miami is cooked and looked like defensively they quit. in the late window I think the story is Green Bay looked like the most complete team I saw all weekend starting on Thursday and I think Bill's Ravens was what we thought two heavy weights exchanging blows

yeah so I would say my story Thursday Cowboys in a loss looked excellent Friday story Chiefs regression started early window have the Jets found a quarterback, and the dolphins are toast. And then late window, I would say, uh, Brock pretty, pretty impressive, but more than that, Green Bay housed Detroit. Those feel like the stories.

Again, Buffalo came back to beat Baltimore. Heavyweight, they're going to be around in January. I don't know what to take. Matt Hasselbeck talked about this, about Justin Fields, who I always saw as a guy that people liked. He could move, he had a big arm, but seeing the field, going through progressions, he just kind of felt like when he went to the Jets, he's going to become kind of a bounce around the league guy. Here was Hasselbeck on what he saw with Justin Fields.

It was like a high school reunion. You're trying to impress your old flame kind of a game. Like the both quarterbacks were like, man, I got to be my best. I got to show out my best for, you know, I'm the one that got away. I thought Justin Fields was, I think he was good, not great. but like I think he can be great. I really do. And, you know, obviously he's a great runner, but it's not about that.

It's about it's about being a passer first and then being a threat as a runner. Which he has always been. Yeah, he didn't statistically have one off target throw. And that was always his issue. Didn't see the field particularly well and would miss open guys. So if you don't think coaching matters, the Jets hired, Aaron Glenn hired the lion's passing coordinator. Goff struggled, and Justin Fields looked pretty damn good.

So that was impressive. All right, the story if you're a Bears fan that is almost traumatizing, Tyler Dunn, who won the first ever Big J. Journalism Award and the last ever on this show, broke a story that painted dysfunction and discord within the Bears who are hosting the Vikings tonight in one of the most anticipated Bears games in a decade. I mean, honestly, the city on pins and needles. Tyler Dunn joins us. Next, we're live in L.A. It's the Hurd.

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in the organization, Tyler Dunn, an NFL writer, the founder of go longtd.com. It's long-form journalism. If you've got 30 or 40 minutes, I read it yesterday. I had two friends in Chicago, just journalists in that city saying, man, what do you make of this? So let's start with Caleb Williams. He was the first NIL star. USC in LA is a flashy high full profile program. It was fairly obvious, and you can talk in some detail here,

that once he got on, once Iber fluses out, now he's on his second head coach and his third head coach. He didn't either respect his third coach. Is that it? Or was it just he came with attitude day one? Well, thanks for having me, Colin. you nailed it. I think that roles were really reversed in this case.

The Chicago Bears were not interviewing Caleb Williams to be their quarterback, to be their selection number one overall. After talking to coaches and scouts and personnel men and GMs across the NFL, they paid a picture in our series where really, the Bears

were in full-flage recruiting mode. They're trying to convince the first NIL superstar to play for them. And look, justifiably so as we get into the dysfunction there in Chicago, It was very deep rooted, like you said. But I think that it really did sift onto the football fields early. OTAs, training camp.

You've got a guy like John Jackson, the third, who I was told really has no business speed in the NFL by GMs, but that's Caleb Williams' best friend. So he's on the practice squad. He wants to change the cadence, so they go to a basic ready set go. They eliminate checks. They eliminate audibles. They kind of try to make this thing as Caleb-friendly as possible. And it's a tough middle ground because you got to tailor an offense to your talent

a quarterback, but at the same time, there has to be some type of coaching, some type of authority. And I talked to several coaches who basically said, like, the moment that we were around Caleb Williams, there was an entitlement, there was a disrespect, there was, you know, you try to tell him something, coach him up, offer some constructive criticism, he would turn around and walk the other direction. It happened early, and it continued right on through that Seattle Thursday night game that we lead the entire series with. So it was bad. You know, they'd be in meetings. I had a coach tell me that he'd ask Caleb Williams a question in a meeting, and he would just look at him and not say anything.

Like, why are you asking me a question? Many, many specific examples cited. And you know what? The Bears' coaches are not completely innocent in this regard, and they'd be the first to tell you. They really did twist and contort and try to change everything they were offensively for Caleb Williams. So by the time they wanted to get tough with him, by the time they wanted to hold him accountable.

And, yes, there were players that wanted Tyson Bayesian to be their starter. last year. And Ryan Poles said absolutely not. By that time, and when Thomas Brown becomes the interim head coach, and he's being old school, he's being hard nose, it was too late. So maybe Ben Johnson with the full off season is exactly what Cabo Williams needs. So Ryan Poles does not come off well. Essentially, according to Tyler Dunn's story, a three-part series House of Dysfunction, Ryan Poles decided, for reasons you describe, we're taking Caleb, whereas it's well documented. Adam Peters, the new Washington GM,

invited all the quarterbacks to Washington. He wanted to see all the alphas and all the relationships when he took him to top golf. From your story, it sounds like Chicago made no serious overtures to any other of the rookie quarterbacks, right? Oh, I mean, I had scouts in the room tell me, It was unlike anything they've seen in their entire lives, just a total farce, a quote-unquote rigged trial, a rigged process.

There was no process. It was Caleb Williams all the way. I mean, and look, if Caleb Williams is a Hall of Famer, then that conviction for Ryan Poles will win the day, right? Then he gets the last laugh here. But we're talking as early as Caleb Williams winning that Heisman trophy. When he's ineligible to even be drafted, I was told that Ryan Poles would have taken him then with that first pick.

if he could have. So, yeah, they make the trade. They have the ammo. They get the first pick. And December of 23, really as early as they had draft meetings, by the time all the scouts got in the room together, it wasn't a serious conversation. There were no negatives discussed when it came to Caleb Williams.

Remember the Notre Dame game? It was discussed, but kind of through rose-colored glasses. Like, look, he might, he struggled in this game, but this is stuff that Mahomes saw in the NFL. Caleb already saw it. He was, he was compared to Mahomes, often by Ryan Poles. So, yeah, they put Drake May's footage up on the screen, and it's some of his worst moments to make that the first impression. And you've got the GM and others in the room openly laughing at Drake May. Jane Daniels, never a serious consideration. I do think that they wanted to have Jane Daniels in

on a visit, a top 30 visit. And I talked to somebody in Jane Daniels's camp about this. it was so insincere by that point that James said, no thanks, absolutely not. Caleb is your guy. And it's, look, this is maybe the most consequential decision in the history of the Chicago Bears a century plus. To not seriously discuss and debate the other quarterbacks is, it's malpractice.

And some very, very real red flags slipped right through the cracks. Now, of course, Ben Johnson has power. I also think Caleb is smart enough to look at him and realize this is the real deal, and I cannot struggle with this coach. Iber Fluths was on a hot seat the minute Caleb showed up, and he probably had more power. Like you said, they were recruiting him to be interested in the Bears. But what about Caleb's personality among players? You know, we often talk about Alpha, and is he the guy?

Is he authentic? From your article details that that may still be an issue. I think the fact that there were several players that wanted Tyson Bayesian to be the starter, last year is that tells you a lot. I know on the outside looking in, it would have shocked all of us if all of a sudden Tyson Bages to quarterback when you've got number one overall pick Caleb Williams. But yeah, I heard that his leadership style is he's introverted, right?

There's an introverted nature to Caleb Williams where he would break down the team after practice and didn't really know what to say, didn't really know how to say it, so they kind of stopped doing it. He was named a captain. The coaches themselves told me that, yeah, we named him a captain, but he really wasn't voted to be. a captain. You know, there weren't really much, there wasn't much route running after practice. Little, little things like that. They set up these meetings to get together with the linemen,

go over some pass protection stuff. A meeting like that was optional. It matters most to Caleb Williams. He didn't show up to, show up to those. I think by the time, like some of these veterans heard about the video games, being played at night instead of maybe looking at film, that did eventually irritate players in that locker. Look, he's not just hated by everyone. A locker room is full of different players, different personalities, and there are players in there, I'm sure, that would go to war for Caleb Williams. But there's also players in there that say his leadership style is something very, very different than they've ever seen. So is that something that you just kind of turn on?

Maybe, right, maybe with experience, maybe with being around these guys he can develop. But I think number one, Colin, this is what the coaches say, the scouts, people in Caleb Williams has passed. He's got to kind of look in the mirror and realize it's on me. I've got to take accountability here because football, frankly, it's always coming easy to Caleb Williams. There's a GM who kind of broke down this scene at USC pregame. Caleb Williams is out there pre-game early, and it's the most dynamite workout this GM had seen. Lasers, daggers, he's all into it. But by the time the whole team was there for a pre-game routine, he's screwing around, he's throwing it left-handed, he's not taking it serious.

I mean, that's kind of cable him's in a nutshell. He's got all the talent in the world. And all the talent in the world has led to Heisman trophies, being the first overall pick, being annoyed at the Chicago Bears Savior. But being a successful starting quarterback, this is a theme. It takes more than talent. It takes more than talent. It takes all of these little things that go on behind the scenes.

Finally, is his relationship with Ben Johnson, what does your intel tell you on? Because I would think we've all had an average boss. Then we get a great boss. and it doesn't take long to figure out as an employee, I got to get my stuff in order with this boss. I mean, what's the Ben Johnson-Kalb dynamic now? Matt, everybody that I talk to is fascinated by this relationship

between Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams. Because think back to last year when Thomas Brown, an old school head coach, is trying to tell Caleb Williams something during that Seattle game, and Caleb Williams just walks away, right? Okay. Ben Johnson is old school too. Ben Johnson has an offense that he wants to run.

He's not going to bend and twist and contort and change everything. This is an opportunity that he has worked his entire life for. You know, one of his former colleagues said, Ben is the kind of guy that will lock himself into an office and search for every answer to every question that his team could possibly face on game day. So he's going to give Caleb Williams the perfect scenario starting tonight against the Minnesota Vikings.

I've got no doubt about it that Ben Johnson has the answers. I mean, you saw it there with Detroit. But also it takes to the tango. When that play clock hits 15 seconds, that headset shut up. It's all on the quarterback to maybe check to a different play, to see that safety coming down and know, all right,

I got to send the run the other direction, or I got to send some protection and do all of those little things that go into being a successful quarterback. Maybe Caleb Williams is there, right? Like maybe everything that happened last year, he knows the truth. He knows he has to evolve.

Last year, I mean, coaches described the worst Friday walkthroughs they've ever seen in their lives. Yeah, I heard that twice. I heard that by two sources that were at Bears games on Friday, that the walkthroughs on Friday were horrible. Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, Ben Johnson will, he's not going to dumb down the offense and tailor it to

Caleb. He's going to run his stuff. He has set himself at a podium. They loaded his plate up with everything. So now we see if he can handle it. Maybe he can. Tyler Dunn, it is go longtid. dot com. Last year, the Bears

allowed the most sacks, worst total offense, fewest yards per play, it all. They reboot it tonight, and Tyler is always great work, and thank you. Thanks so much for Adam McAllen. You bet. It just makes it fast. We don't know J.J. McCarthy either, and there's been

reports about J.J. McCarthy's a little bit unsettled. We'll find out. We're not going to get Bill's Ravens offensively tonight. I think that's realistic. I think the story of the game is Caleb Williams against Brian Flores, the defensive coordinator for the Vikings. That to me feels like the story of the game.

So, you know, you watch football and, you know, you think, oh, this guy played well, this guy did not play well. So PFF graded, they take every pass, every decision by quarterbacks, every single one, this is what they do. PFF graded the top 10 passers starting Thursday night, Cowboys, E, Eagles. Do we have the order? First one's a little bit of a surprise. Matt Stafford, although he played

really, really well. He didn't score a lot of points, but it shows you it's not just about throwing touchdowns. You're talking about high-grade throws, not missing open targets, and reads. So Matt Stafford won. I am not surprised Justin Fields was two. Dak Prescott 3, the great Sammy Darnold, number four. Josh Allen only falls to five. I know it's funny. I know. It's there should be there should be like a Josh Allen grade. You could just the PFF should come up with another grade. Could anybody in the world make this throw that Josh just made? Six Justin Herbert. Seven Gino Smith. Gino played

well against New England. Jaden Daniels eight, Joe Burrow nine, who was under attack. Jordan Love 10. So I think we were, I would have guessed Josh Allen was like two or three. One, two, or three. One data point, Colin. That's all this is for the audience. Come on. Josh Allen only number five? Well, well.

I mean, Justin Herbert's six. First of all. Justin Herbert was eight for eight on the go-ahead drive to get the touchdown against the Chiefs. Like, come on, against Spagnolo. Like, Herbert was amazing. Don't tell me that Dak Prescott, by the way, throwing some awesome passes. Don't tell me Dak and Darnold were better than Herbert and Allen. Come on.

Yeah, the PFF. How was Joe Burrow 90 through for 114 yards? Well, they had like no offense. Yeah, I understand. They're grading every drop-back decisions. Like Justin Fields, by the way, one of his things is he had no off-target throws, meaning if a guy was open, Justin Fields hit him every time. By the way, I don't see Lamar Jackson on there.

They hung a 40-Burger on the bills. Well, that goes back to what you, you know, you're a fan, you see something, you think, how are they graded? So I'm looking on PFF right now and there's this thing called big time throws. Now, I don't know who's grading those, but Matt Stafford had five led the league. Dak Prescott had four, as did Josh Allen. So that is, you know, something that goes into the approach. That's quite a show.

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