The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 3 - Urban Meyer joins The Herd

Episode Date: December 8, 2025

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By the way, he's at the Belagio. He's getting voted into the College Football Hall of Fame tomorrow. I've been to Blasio. It was nice, by the way. And I got some pretty swanky restaurants in there. Make sure you don't have to pick up the bill. And you won't. So I said, all things said,

Miami getting in, Notre Dame not, I thought was the right call. I don't care about Tulane, James Madison. They'd never make it in my playoff. But Texas, Alabama, you can argue both sides, but Alabama did get into

the SEC championship and Texas couldn't. So there's your argument. You can't punish Alabama for getting into the conference championship. Did you have one big problem with the 12 teams? No, I'd actually think that Alabama going in was the right thing.

I took some heat on that just from friends of mine that how can you pick a three lost team? And I said, they're number two on the SEC and this year the toughest conference in college football or that's always one of the top too. And same with the Big Ten. I am such on a, you know, on a, I'm passionate that the committees,

and I love the committee. Mark Dantoneo is on the committee, I think, and he's one of my dear friends. They are faced with an impossible situation. You know, Colin, if you join me, Ingram, Mark Engram, Matt Liner, Brady, Quinn, myself, and the bear. And we're all really studying this game.

But we would have completely different top 12. You know, you just, you'd have differences. They are forced with an untenatable situation. So my, and I'm going to keep swinging as hard as I can on this thing, you have to have play-ins. It'll be the most lucrative weekend in the history of college football. You have a championship weekend, the Big Ten, the SEC, the ACC, the Big 12, Mountain West, all of them.

And then you have playing games. And the playing games, are there's no more committee. It's just seating. Yeah. It's not, it's not people making decisions doing because someone asked me this question. It was Notre Dame better than Miami at the end of the year?

And I, I, maybe, I don't know. I mean, how do you, I thought Indiana, I thought Ohio State was better than Indiana. Right. There's only one way to decide that. They played. And I'm a Notre Dame nut. I love Notre Dame. I love Marcus.

So quit stopping with always anti-notter. No, I'm not. They played. So it's over. It's done. That move on from that conversation. Well, they played early. It doesn't matter.

They played. When you have people making decisions, and I made this comment because my friend Jared in Arnold said it's the only multi-billion dollar industry in the history of the United States where volunteers are making decisions. You can't do that. Yeah. Listen, like you, I tend to in big games go with the roster with a lot of NFL bodies if I like both coaches. The pass rush.

the pass rush that Indiana got on Ohio State. Just, and I mean, this wasn't like schemy. It was bulldozer. It was bullying. Were you surprised by the defensive front of Indiana pushing Ohio State backwards for about three and a half hours in many instances? I was to a degree. I have, I've seen Indiana up close and personal.

I've made the comment. It's as well-coached team as there is in my lifetime. but Todd McShay also pointed out to me it's also those talented roster in the history of IU football by far, eight projected NFL draft picks that's a combined, that's more than the last eight years combined. Wow.

So it is a very talented team. I stood on the field, Indiana's big, athletic, and well-coached. I use the term, they are an FCC front-looking team and they look like it in Indianapolis, no doubt. Listen, Fernando Mendoza, Urban. I mean, that's my take. I love after the game, he was like, you know, he was so fired up.

I don't know. That's about his go to college quarterback, size, brains, competitiveness. What do you make of him? Well, he was on our podcast and he was, he reminded me at J.T. Barrett, a Tebow, those guys that are smarter actually way smarter than the coaches. He talked us through the two-minute drill against Penn State like a coach would, like a coordinator. or would. I've gotten to know the guy. I think, here's what I think about him as an NFL prospect. I changed. I made a comment before this game, he should come back. I don't think so now. I saw, I saw what against a team that had better talent than Indiana, and he won that freaking

game. He made a couple ball placements, his accuracy, the ball out quick. You know, he ran when he had to. He got hit right square in the face at the second, first play of the game, and toughed his way through it. So I think he's NFL ready. I didn't say that before this game. Yeah. So Oklahoma and Alabama are going to play. I

think I like Alabama, but I don't feel good about it. I think Miami can beat Texas A&M. I do. Because I think Miami's D-line is like totally legit. Do you see if I, as I put this up

to the college football playoff, I don't think Miami beating Texas A&M is an upset. I think they got the four seeds right. If you had to guess based on this, who plays in the Natty Urban? What would be your guest today? I'm saying Georgia against Ohio State in the semi, and then I'm saying Oregon and IU in the semi, and then those are the final four.

And then I don't know. I think it's going to be incredible football at the end of the season. I like the bracket. I like the way they did it. You know, I'm going to say two words about Miami. Carson Beck. Yeah. If he takes care of the ball, they can win if he doesn't have to lose.

That's time tested. That's at Georgia. That's now at Miami. If he takes care of the ball, you're right. That's the only concern I have in that one. You're getting inducted into the Florida Ring of Honor. You're getting inducted tomorrow into the college football Hall of Fame. And you didn't get a coach during NIL.

or you didn't get a coach during, you know, the playoff. I said this about Kurt Signetti. I said it used to be, I always felt college football was a young man's game for a coach because you're on the road 200 days a year. But the NIL, you can sit in your office and write, you know, you can just be a GM. You don't have to get in a plane. You don't have to do all that recruiting. Marcus Freeman's a young guy.

Good looking young. He's built for college football. He's going to get an NFL offer. with all the movement and the weirdness of college football, a sport we love. If you were Marcus Freeman, you just got told you're not in, which I think was a right move by the committee, would you stay in college football or would you take a New York Giants-level job? What do you do if you're Marcus Freeman? Because that is going to be a story the second the NFL season ends.

Marcus is my friend. He's not asked me, but I would say you stay in college 100%. you have controllables in college as a head coach and the NFL I found you just there's so many uncontrollables that you you don't have you know whether it's the GM the you know just so you have an owner you have all kinds of things in college it's you and at Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame it now has great support from the AD and the president etc etc but Marcus Freeman as I found out you give up so much when you take that next step and so much that's out of your control and plus you're going to lose in the NFL. It's built, and I'm not sure Marcus, the markers I know, he can't take losing like I can't take losing. You're going to win at Notre Dame. Now, are you going to win the national title? I don't know, but look at their schedule.

He's going to play a season every year where he's favored in at least nine or ten of those games, maybe more. That doesn't happen at the next level. What did you make with USC being number one in recruiting? In fact, number one was SC. A lot of people thought Oregon was two. Marcus Freeman, a great recruiters up there, so was Bama. But what did you make a USC? Did you feel like it means something?

Absolutely. And Lake and Riley should be a great recruiter. I've always said this. You've heard me say there's many, many. The one team I do not understand in college sports is University of Southern California. Why are they not Ohio State? Why are they not Alabama? I don't, I've always looked at that program as the top three job.

You have everything right there. I look in on the TV right now those beautiful uniforms, the history, the Coliseum, I mean, and more importantly, you get in a car and drive for three hours and you can fill a recruiting class. And plus you drive up,

you walk into every high school wearing that Trojan or wearing those colors, everybody knows who you are. So congratulations. I'm glad they stuck with Lincoln Raleigh. I'm a Lincoln. I like the guy. I think he's an excellent coach.

I think he just had to get real serious about recruiting. And maybe he did, maybe it wasn't him. Maybe it's USC that says enough of this stuff. Let's get going. And I almost cussed, so I'm glad I did it. But enough is enough. It's time for USC to be in the final. For sure, we're talking about them not in the playoffs, Colin.

I don't, USC, it's time to get going. And this is a good step. Let's go one more question. I want to go back to Ohio State, Indiana. Now, I thought it was the biggest game in the history of Indiana football. and they crushed and they deserve all of it. I said before the game, I said, I think Ohio State will be fired up,

but I mean, we just beat Michigan, we got the playoff, we're national champions. I may hide a little of my playbook. I thought it was a harder game for Ohio State to coach than Indiana. Does that make any sense? Oh, it makes a lot of sense. And I think just looking, there's nothing like battle scars. I used to tell my team this all the time.

going on the road to Austin Stadium, that's a scar. Win or lose, you were scarred, which means you've been matured. You've been having to go to Penn State, a team that had better players than you. Not by much now, but they did. And you have to go drive it 80, was it 83 yards after that sack to go win with zero timeouts.

You're scarred. Ohio State went into that game without any scars. And they went on the road to Washington. They beat a Texas team that wasn't a very good when they played them. Now, they did what they had to do, but keep this in mind, the quarterback, Julian's saying through 25 passes in the fourth quarter all year. That means there's no scars. Yeah.

Now he's got a couple scars on his face or a couple scars that team does. They'll be better because of it. You just wish they didn't lose a ring because of it. Yeah. I still have the Buckeyes winning the Natty. As though, congratulations. By the way, I've been to Belagio before. They got a place called Spagos that has an unbelievable

locks caviar pizza. I didn't buy it. Somebody bought it for me. I'm just telling if you're wandering by, you might just want to sneak in there and order it. Congratulations to you, Coach. You know how much I think he had, congrats again. Well, you're a friend, Colin.

I'm going to name drop you today at that plate at that spot. That'll get you a glass of lemonade for free. It won't get you the pizza I talked about. You're the best call. Thank you. All right, Urban Meyer. Yeah, I like Ohio State to win it. I think, you know, we'll, I'm telling you, Georgia, Indiana, Ohio State. That's what it looks like to me.

It's so great. Remember when I came out and I said, if you're USC, you have all the leverage. Notre Dame needs you a lot more than you need them. By the way, the L.A. Times, Bill Plashke finally came out today and said, yeah, that Notre Dame game kept us out of the playoffs. Notre Dame is in a half. They have one foot in the pool on their schedule. So go look at Notre Dame schedule next year. It's not any good.

USC next year has to play Indiana, Ohio State, Oregon, Washington, I think of Penn State. You don't need another game. I'll say it again. I'll triple it. I'll quadruple it. USC needs to go to Notre Dame and go. We'll play you every other year. The game has to be done by a game.

October 15th, every year we play. We're not playing in the cold every other year. And in fact, if I was USC, I'd say not only every other year, but two or three games in L.A. Okay, we don't need it. Okay, good luck to you getting bounced out of the playoff again because you're playing Panera bread. Well, which one has been to the playoff more recently? USC hasn't been in years. It doesn't matter.

What do you mean? This morning on, Notre Dame needs USC. I don't know. I mean, they just got job by the committee. the good old boys network, hooked up Alabama. It's weird. We keep talking about the Miami-Noderm opener, right? We don't talk about the Alabama opener,

losing his double-digit favorites to Mighty FSU. That's not mentioned at all. Because they came back and beat Georgia in Georgia. Okay, and then they lost another one to Oklahoma. They lost three games. Did you see the stat in the last three years? 16 teams have lost their conference championship game. 15 of them dropped in the rankings afterward.

The only one that didn't is Alabama. Because the committee's stocked full of SEC homers. Or the world's changed, and we have a playoff now. We had a playoff the last three years. My point is, you gave me 15, 16 numbers. College football is pro football now on campuses. It's a whole different market. Bowls don't matter.

Totally. The playoffs are going to 16. You can pay high schoolers. Go to 24. Whatever the number needs to be. Think about this. The thing that is, the thing that is, it used to be a death penalty in college sports paying a player, you now market it.

You now leak it. Yeah. Hey, we paid a high school or a million. The industry is flipped. And it thinks stuff that was illegal in a death penalty. You are trying to market and promote that to the market. By the way, did you see that like a lot of, it's not just Notre Dame saying no thanks to a bull game. A lot of folks are saying, ah, I don't need it.

You know why? if your third string wide receiver pops, he's going to go get offers in the portal. There's going to be like, you know, other teams are going to be like, hey, we want this guy, we'll go give you money. And now you lost a player because you showcased him in a bowl game.

Does it mean anything? An exhibition game? Just end the exhibition games. They're pointless. Yeah. Philadelphia Eagles will be discussed. I'm reading this. Staff just sent this.

Alabama lost to a higher-ranked Georgia team in the SEC championship game. Yeah, I'm not losing sleep on Bama in Texas out. I mean, Texas. Is anybody arguing for Texas? Well, Texas beat Oklahoma, A&M and Vandie. I mean, at three games. Well, I mean, Bama lost three games.

I'm saying Texas had, they hammered Oklahoma, they hammered Vandy, and they dominated A&M. Forget Notre Dame. Forget Notre Dame. Forget, no, no, no. Yeah. Forget Notre Dame. Yeah.

Texas, to me, has three wildly impressive wins. What about their losses? I'm more into, I can say this, if you're good on the air, I don't care if you have a bad day occasionally, but when you're great, are you great? Texas has days, they've been great. Oh, it took Hammer Oklahoma. Hammer Vandy. On their best days, Texas was a top five team. Everybody has bad days.

That Oklahoma game's interesting. I remember it. Meteer was hurt, kind of rushed back from the injury. I don't know how much that mattered. You watch the second half of that A&M Longhorn game? Texas looked good in that one. Good. They look really good.

They were fighting for their lives. Yeah. Look, summer, bottom line in life, I'm going to judge most people on your highs. Can you deliver at a level that is above significantly good? Texas had really substantial Saturdays. I'm not going to punish my kids, my friends, my coworkers for calling in sick or having a bad day. I don't know what's going on. It's college kids.

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What a poor performance from Lamar Jackson, Colin. And the Ravens played their way basically out of the playoffs with an awful defensive showing. They were just not crisp offensively, and it's been a minute since the Ravens have really looked great. Here's Lamar Jackson talking about some frustration after the game. How would you just kind of describe your level of frustration at this point? Through the roof.

We shouldn't, I feel like Thanksgiving game, we should have lost that game. turn it was, turned over it was unfortunately, man. But this one is, like, so I don't know what happened. Not good. Aaron Rogers outplayed him. 42-year-old Aaron Rogers outplayed him.

So I don't want to hear that Lamar's a two-time MVP, or in the first couple weeks he was awesome. Right now, he's not a good quarterback. Colin, since week 10, 55% completions? Yeah. What? I don't know. I mean, I asked you during the break,

is this the, is this, have we already seen the best Lamar Jackson? Well, I don't. Is it all downhill from here? I tend to believe he's not 100% healthy. You know, listen, there's a lot of reasons quarterbacks they can lose a coordinator or like Herbert this year. You lose your tackles.

You play tougher teams. I mean, it's not totally linear. But the drop, the one thing, the eye test is he doesn't have the juice or the burst he had last year. He just doesn't. So did he get slow? Has he taken too many shots? He's not a huge guy, like a big Ben or a Cam or a Josh Allen.

But it doesn't look like he's the same. Now, he and Zay Flowers, he and Mark Andrews, have good relationship. I think they should have won the game yesterday. I still don't quite understand the touchdown negated in the end zone, although I read the ruling today. The actual rule book. Yeah. But, I mean, I just tend to trust the Ravens to figure it out.

So just like college football, let's let the season play out. Everybody's bailed on the Eagles. What if they come out tonight and win by two touchdowns? They probably will. Are you ready for an NFL playoffs without just? Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, or Lamar Jackson. Because I was told they are, they're sticking around for the next decade. They're going to rule the roost.

Well, that showed you how great Brady is. Like Brady. I mean, I think there's a stat out there that I think, I think this is it. Brady never played a football game as a professional football player, not one where his team was mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Whole career. So, I mean, again, what separates Brady from everybody isn't just the trophies. Tom was in a playoff race

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Next up, Colin, listen, I got to defend my guy, J.J. McCarthy. He's been awful this season. But, woo-wee, he was cooking yesterday. Three touchdowns, completed 70% of his passes. You know, I get that, you know, Washington has a CFL-caliber defense. but the Vikings snapped a three-game losing streak. And you always know, if a team gets shut out, bet on them the next week.

Vikings an easy win and cover. This was a game that I, it was one of my favorite bets of the week. You talked me into it, did my homework, until Jaden Daniels was going to play for the record. Do you see him get dinged up again? That's a great question. I was like sparring with some Washington Beat reporter. Like, what are you doing? Why is he playing?

I don't get it. You're eliminated from the playoffs. He's hurt. He's not 100%. You want a third injury this year for? He got hurt again? Dan Quinn, like, what do you do? Just play Marriota.

Now the argument is he's young and needs a snaps. Oh, really? Well, he didn't look like he needed snaps last year when he was going to the NFC championship game. All right. JMAQ with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lide News.

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So, you know, I've always felt Siriani is a motivator, kind of a CEO, a little bit coordinator-dependent, McVeigh, Andy Reed, Shanahan, maybe D'Amico Ryan's, maybe not as coordinator-dependent in terms of D'Amico runs the defense. I mean, you know that. You were, you know. But I do think, Nick, there is something, what's it like to cover, Nick? that there is something that works in that locker room, even though I feel like he is sort of dependent on who's calling plays.

Yeah, he does have offensive principles. He is an offensive mind coach covering him the last couple of years. I mean, there are things that he really believes in. And to see the coordinators over the last three years, I started covering him where Brian Johnson was there, then Kellyn Moore to this, the things that he really operates on, things that I notice that the organization likes about him,

is that he's able to manage things from the top down, make sure the process is working, whether that's how things are scheduled, how coaches are using their time, what they need to devote their time to, and his principles that he's had from the offense in his career, he comes in and make sure that these things are being addressed. And the play callers, which are interesting last year,

Kellyn Moore, if you look at the way the offense was run, that was very different from what Kellyn Moore was used to, too. They were running the ball more than the Eagles had since the 70s. So like that was different than what Kelmore does. I would say that's also to Nick Siriani's credit there, making sure that they're all operating and looking at what they need to do with the players that they have. This year, what's different is that as soon as Kelmour left, you were looking at a coach who was looking for another situation.

Kelmour had had experience as a play caller. Yeah. And Kevin Petulow did not. So they were late into the process. There was a lot of scrutiny around that decision. But he trusted him because all the time that they had shared. He'd been around for all those things. And it hasn't worked out quite yet.

So right now, that's a lot of the question about Nick Siriani is how dependable is his process, how dependable is his offensive choices of who he decides to let run those means, call those plays, all of that. He's sticking to all of that right now. And right now it's on pace to be the least efficient offense that he's had since he's been there. And sticking with the process for the rest of the year with Kevin Till making plays, we'll see if they're able to get out of that rut. Brooks Cabina for the radio audience, Eagles Beat Rider for the Athletic, formerly covered the Texans and LSU football.

So, you know, in baseball, there's these, you go to the postseason, you come back in spring, there's arm fatigue. I've said with Saquan Barkley, is it O-line injuries? Is it all the carries fatigue? It's hard for these running backs. It's the last position in football. You can hit it anytime, anywhere from any position. Or is it play calling? Everybody wants to know what happened to Saquan.

What is it? It's a lot of things. You look at the offensive line. and they've been banged up sometimes. And that's not just being out of games. Cam Jergens, Landon, Dickerson, both of those guys have dealt with some injuries that they've played through.

But Lane Johnson being out at right tackle, that's a big thing for the offense line. But even whenever he was there, they were struggling running the ball. And you look at the yards before contact for Sequin Barkley, those are down this year. And you look at this time with the Giants, that was a lot of things that he had to manage,

like making plays out of what you've got. And they've tried a lot of different things throughout the year, whether that's trying to run inside, outside different concepts using fullbacks they lost their fullback on the first snap of the year this year and they've tried to use tight ends you see concepts where 12 personnel multiple tight ends and the tight ends aren't blocking really well a lot of things that they try just aren't working right one of the number one

things that you see is Jalen Hertz is less involved in the run game it's the least he's wrong design it seems to be and it seems to be you think about and I it's Jalen's been asked about this several times I've asked them about it every year going into the playoffs, he's managed some sort of injury. And that comes out of a lot of the contact that he gets as a runner. But he has said multiple times that he's open to whatever they have to do. And you look at a game like the Chicago Bears where they were struggling offensively and all of a sudden he'd get a design quarterback run and that leads immediately to the touchdown past AJ Brown. I'm expecting to see more of that at the end of the, as the year progresses,

because last year, the reason why Saquembourg-Barkley, well not the reason, but one of the reasons is Jaylen Hurts was playing off him so much. Seiquan said that himself a lot, using the zone read concepts, using the quarterback runs, making sure the defense is spread out and doesn't know what's there. It's not that Jaylen Hertz hasn't run, I think he's up to about 80 rushes outside of push pushes. But that's one of the reasons out of many that they've tried to figure out to get this run game going. And without that, the penalties are involved too. The most fall starts they've had in the Sirianni era, the most penalties overall as an offense.

And that's set them back. So you see these second and third downs that you're going to be. where running the ball doesn't make quite much sense. But they're not putting themselves in good positions. Some of the concepts they're using aren't working. It's a wholesale thing at this point. You've heard McSyrona addressed it as such. Season's over, win a Super Bowl or not.

Is A.J. Brown coming back, in your opinion? I mean, it feels a little noisy for, you know, listen, Philadelphia is the one team in the league that can win a Super Bowl with noise. The talk radio is loud. Dom, Siri, it's a loud, passionate fan. It's the most unique fan base, the harshest in the league. It's the hardest place to coach. Bill Parcell said there's Philly and everybody else.

A.J. Brown seems a tad noisy. Do you think long-term? I mean, your gut feeling on back next year or not? My gut feeling is, I hesitate to reach on it because I just don't know. It could go either way. It seems to be a situation where AJ Brown. I talked to him at the very beginning of the year. I wanted to get to know because over the off season, after the Super Bowl, he was talking a lot about fulfillment and what that meant for him and how the Super Bowl didn't, you know, do that for him, justify a lot of his work.

And I found him all athletes to a certain extent are like this, but he really does justify himself through his work. Yeah. Through the on field, there's a lot of reasons for that in his life. I wrote a story on that. You can find that easily on Google and such. But the way that this offense is set up here this year, he has not been getting the ball in a lot of situations that he normally did. and some of the things that defenses are doing to them. They're struggling against zone.

Some of the things that AJ Brown does well, you have a one-on-one guy that can kill men-on-man matchups. That's not happening as often. And the frustration that comes out of that, he's dealt with that in his own way. He's seen that managed throughout the locker room. My impression is a lot of guys understand what he's going through. And it's kind of like you hear your friends say it over and over,

and over, and then an over. Yeah. A lot of people just start talking. I remember talking to Devante Smith at his locker, which is right next to him. And the social media post that he's put out, he's just like, I mind my own business. I don't even look at that. So the rest of the players, they're letting AJ work through AJ things. And I think that's to Nick Seriani's credit, too, as he's managing all this,

you start seeing a lot of this smoke and fire that comes out of the social media world. Honestly, for Philly, that's not that much. And if you have a star player who's tweeting or going on Twitch and talking to his friends about how his emotions are going, you could get a lot worse. But to go into the offseason to your question, it's really about how he feels where things are going, where they clearly do not want to trade him this year, and I can't see a situation we're going forward.

You have this GM and Howard Roseman who moved heaven and earth to get wide receivers into his building. He's not going to part with that easily, so they have to have a plan beyond that. And I just don't see a plan right now to replace a guy that has done so much for them. and they could fix things as the offense goes, and whether that's with Kevin Dutuel or not going forward.

So a lot of questions have to get to that point where you decide whether AJ Brown's going to be in Philly next year. 30 seconds. Jalen Hertz, what's like to cover him? I'm from Houston. He's from Channel View. I've actually known him going back to my high school years. He's the same. He's just kind of a guy who put on the Knights armor and never took it off. He goes to bed with it, wakes up with it.

You know, you talk to him, he's stoic and gives you all the serious answers. He's one of the things, I remember I did his story on him last year going into the playoffs. And I know just a guy that's always calling people, calling the head coach is off. He's, last week he dated back. He said he was looking back at film back to high school even. He's just relentless. He's committed and all of that.

And he's a little bit, you know, quiet and the walls up a lot of times. So it's hard to get that. Which when you're there, there is substance. Brooks Cabina, look it up. Eagles writer, The Athletic. Great stuff. Nice job. We'll see you tomorrow.

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