The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 3 - Will the Ravens trade Lamar Jackson?

Episode Date: January 18, 2023

Thoughts on Niners QB Brock Purdy so far The Cowboys stayed positive when Dak Prescott got injured  Lamar Jackson might be on the market for the right price   Guest: Jimmy JohnsonSee omnystudio.com/...listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:05 three-mile daily walks. I just found out he bets the ponies occasionally. Four bucks a bet, he told me. Very disciplined, just like his football teams. The Hall of Famer, one of the smartest guys. One of the top five coaches of all time, Jimmy Johnson. So, you know, I was talking to Sean Payton about the interview process, and Jimmy, you had a fascinating career where you went from a small college,
Starting point is 00:02:27 Oklahoma State, to a... powerhouse and then you went to Jerry so you had quite an ego and you know as an owner then you went to Miami was it Huzinga if I recall was that the owner at the time yeah Wayne Hizenga yeah great owner a great person you no longer with us but really he was good so you had a lot of different I mean Miami's a unique coaching job NFL and college and then Jerry and when I was talking to Sean I was asking about what matters and it it's you know Jerry these owners now are all billionaires and they're all a little eccentric. And when you look at some of these job openings, if you were on the market and
Starting point is 00:03:07 interviewing, what's more important, owner or quarterback in today's NFL? Well, Colleen, I think it probably depends on how long you're going to be at the job. If you plan on being there a long time, not only ownership, but I think front office structure. Yeah. because for instance, it was very important for me to be in charge of personnel. In fact, in my book, Swagger, I had total control of personnel. And because that was my strength, you know, I want to be able to go out and look at the players, evaluate the players, in the talent, et cetera.
Starting point is 00:03:47 Now, that's an all-consuming job. That's 12 months out of the year. And so you don't never have a break. So a lot of pro coaches, they don't want to do that. I've met plenty of them, head coaches. is that they said, hey, let's turn it over to the personnel department, and I'll just dabble in it a little bit. That way you've got a life outside of football.
Starting point is 00:04:07 Yes. So your front office structure is one thing, and in the strength of the ownership, I think is important. Yeah. By the way, Sean mentioned you in Parcells as guys that really new personnel, you could build your own teams. And for the record, folks, that's very rare. A lot of these coaches, you want a mile from personnel.
Starting point is 00:04:28 So I look at this weekend, and Jimmy, I've had this discussion with friends, is that it's easy to say, you know, Brock Purdy, it's lightning in a bottle. But Tony Romo was undrafted. Kurt Warner was undrafted. Hell, Mark Brunel, Brady was sixth round. Is it possible when you watch Purdy that he was undervalued? That, you know, he was a three, four-year starter in college, Jimmy, for a second-tier pro? I mean, what do you see with him?
Starting point is 00:04:55 Is he special or is it just a lightning in a bottle? He's a tremendous competitor. Terry and I watched him many Saturdays when we were watching Iowa State. Yeah. He's a physical quarterback. When he came out of college, he really worked with the baseball people to work on his throwing motion. And I think it helped him a lot. The other thing is he's part of a great football team.
Starting point is 00:05:22 And that's helping him develop and helping him win. Right. So that's a big part of it. you mentioned Tony Romo. Tony Romo, you know, worked on the scout team. And, you know, he was, he would make a lot of great plays, but he also made some poor plays. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:40 And if you look at his track record, he had a higher interception percentage than Matt Ryan. You look at him and you say, well, you know, he won a lot of games. Yeah, he did win a lot of games because they had some great players. But he also lost some key games as well. Yeah. So it just really depends on some of these players coming out of college. They develop, and if they're with a really outstanding supporting cast, they can win a lot of games.
Starting point is 00:06:07 Yeah. You know, I said this. A lot of times a coach will get a reputation or a player. And it's hard, even if you're a great player. For years, they said Brady was a system quarterback. And you're like, well, hell, he's got five rings. How much of a? And then when he leaves and he wins, we all go, okay, he is.
Starting point is 00:06:26 the system. But for a long time, he really was labeled as, well, this is Belichick. And, you know, I look at Mike McCarthy and the Aaron divorce didn't do him very good because everybody blamed Mike and Aaron. But this morning, he now is in the playoffs again, has a playoff win. Their number one red zone offense in the league with a rebuilt O line, Green Bay is 24th Red Zone offense with Aaron Rogers. And I don't think he's you. I don't think he's, I don't think he's Bill, but what does McCarthy do as a Hall of Fame coach that you do see and you do like? Because he's doing something right, Jimmy. I think, you know, Mike, Mike was down here this all season. We spent some time on both talking about stuff. And he's very even killed. He's a smart football coach.
Starting point is 00:07:21 he really doesn't get too high or too low. He was able to keep that team positive, you know, when Prescott was injured, you know, those three or four weeks and was able to win three ball games. And that's the key. And they want not one of those three ball games. They might have gone into a tailspin. So Mike has done an excellent job of overseeing, you know,
Starting point is 00:07:47 Kellen Moore on offense and Dan Quinn on defense and the special teams. with fossil you know you really don't know how good Mike McCarthy is and people don't talk about him because he doesn't have a chance they ever grab the microphone somebody else's that's funny that's quick there on jimmie you're working on your material I like that hey I've had plenty of time to work on it so when you face a team like and I think you face Philadelphia for years and you knew going into that thing a lot of borderline hits, it was going to be physical. And San Francisco, to me, looks like a
Starting point is 00:08:26 1985 NFL team on their safety's hit. They're running backs. How do you prepare knowing going into a game? We may not, you know, they're coming after us. This is going to be a physical game. Did it change your game planner, how you view the game? I'm with that question, I'll try to make this story quick. But when we were playing against Buddy Ryan,
Starting point is 00:08:50 I think Troy got sacked nine times in nine or 11 times in one ball game. And they just killed us. And so we had a tough time with Philadelphia. And so we were going to go up there to play. And we had a pretty good team. This is about my third year. And Troy Aitman was injured. And I went into the meeting.
Starting point is 00:09:11 I said, guys, I said, now Tony Wise, my offensive line coach is going to be upset. But you offensive linemen, I said, we've studied them. They're not real good on offense, but they are. great on defense and they get a lot of turnovers and a lot of sacks. So offensive alignment, I don't care if you hold them. I don't care if you kick them. I don't care what you do. Don't let them hit
Starting point is 00:09:30 our quarterback. You just do not let them hit our quarterback. And then, you know, you looked at Burline with my quarterback. I said, Steve, you protect the football. I don't want you to get hit. I don't want you to throw an interception. You get rid of the
Starting point is 00:09:49 football. And so the first half, he would take three or four quick steps, and that ball was out. He was like one for 12. He completed like one pass in five percent. He wasn't going to get hit. He wasn't going to throw an intersection. But we had the lead because Kevin Martin returned a punt for a touchdown. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:07 We ended up beating Philadelphia because we didn't beat ourselves. Yeah. And so the big thing and the story is with going against the 49ers, just don't let that defense beat you. don't take the negative plays. If you eliminate the negative plays, you'll have a chance, you know, to score enough points to win. I want to talk AFC, although Fox does NFC games, about Josh Allen. He's such a unique town. I compare him to Mike Tyson where his knockout punch is amazing, but he doesn't jab particularly effective, right?
Starting point is 00:10:40 He's a big swing. He's a home run hitter. He's a 1980s home run hitter. You get some strikeouts, but man, it's majestic. but I where's the line Jimmy between eliminating those and letting him be great
Starting point is 00:10:56 like Troy was great Troy would throw some picks you tell me what is your line on a kid like Josh on coaching him and letting him make some mistakes I think you've got to look at your entire football team every game we went into I would try to evaluate
Starting point is 00:11:15 the matchup on special team teams, the match up with our defense, the match up with our offense. You know, like when we were in Dallas, we were number one in the league defensively. We led the league. So we knew they weren't going to score a whole lot of points as long as the offense didn't put us in bad field position. You know, and so we might go into that game, you know, running Emmett Smith, being satisfied to punt the football, you know, take our chances when we could. You go up in a different game and you're going to have to be more wide open because you know, you're about to score a bunch more points.
Starting point is 00:11:49 You can't stop them. You know, for instance, with Mahones at Kansas City, you know, he'll throw some turnover. He'll throw some picks. But he is so good, and they are so good offensively, he can overcome them. At times, Buffalo can't overcome some of those turnovers.
Starting point is 00:12:06 Yeah. And so you've got to be careful with Josh Allen. The, you know, I was saying this about Aaron Rogers is both far of an Aaron Rogers, they don't have an owner in Green Bay, and it's different. An owner can go up to you and say, hey, are you committed or you're not committed? You get an answer. Stan Cronkey could go to Matt Stafford and say, you know what or get off the pot. Are you going to play or not?
Starting point is 00:12:32 But far of an errand don't have an owner. And I always feel like they know it, and they sort of use that as a lever. Yeah, maybe I'll retire. Maybe I won't. And I think it puts the coach in a really tough spot. You're going to be there with our young receipts. receivers in the off season or you're not. If you coached Darren because he said it yesterday,
Starting point is 00:12:52 well, I don't know what I'm going to do. And I think, oh, brother, do you have, I mean, would you just sit down at some point and get an answer?
Starting point is 00:13:01 Yeah, I would sit down and try to encourage him to make a commitment. But by the same token, he's got you behind the eight ball. Right. I mean, you may push him a little bit, but you don't want to push him out the door.
Starting point is 00:13:17 And so, you know, please give me a commitment. Please give me a commitment. Okay, you're not going to give me a commitment? Okay, well, tell me when you will. You know, just let me know. Because you don't want to push me out the door. He's too good. And I'm not too sure they got anybody behind him.
Starting point is 00:13:33 Yeah, I think that's the big question. All right. Jimmy Johnson, Fox Sports Hall of Famer, that room you're in right now, that's what a Hall of Fame coach. That's the kind of room a Hall of Fame coach should have. Jay Mack and I don't have rooms like that in our house. looks very, very well appointed. It's always great seeing you.
Starting point is 00:13:52 All right. Good seeing you, Colin. All right. Jimmy Johnson, the Hall of Famer. Yeah, it is. I mean, I do think Farr of an errand, they know they've got this lever and they can kind of just use it. And I'm just going to do what I want to do.
Starting point is 00:14:04 And it's a little bit of a power play. But, you know, I, maybe I don't like waiting. I'm impatient. I don't like being held up. I'd rather somebody just say, hey, I can't come to dinner. I can't do it. Give me the bad news. I can't take you to the.
Starting point is 00:14:17 airport. I can't pick. Just give me the bad news. I'm good with it. So I can, but I don't like being kind of held up and sitting around not knowing definitively where I'm going or what I'm doing. Can I just chime in on the Jimmy Johnson room? Sure. It looks like it has many leather bound books and smells of rich mahogany. It does. Shout out to Anchorman. A legendary movie, yes. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble
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Starting point is 00:17:16 J-MAC with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Oh, got some more quarterback drama, Colin. Trey Lance, you know, he's been out since week two. Yeah. And he's got to be worried about Brock Purdy's success, Brock Pertie crushing it.
Starting point is 00:17:33 Well, former's 49er director of player personnel, Ran Carthon, was just hired to be the Titans' new GM. And Trey Lance made an interesting post to Instagram following the news. He posted a picture of Carthon with three fingers crossed emojis. Interesting. We don't truly know what this post means, but many are speculating that he's now hinting he'd like to follow Carthon and get traded to the Titans. Now, it's just speculation.
Starting point is 00:18:02 But Colin, any thoughts on Traylor? I mean, Phelan has to be seeing what Brock Purdy's doing in his nose like, damn. I'm going to be in for a dog fight. Well, I think my opinion that Trey fits what Tennessee wants. Tennessee is a power football team that would like their quarterback to move. I mean, Tana Hill's not, Tanao can move no longer like he did. There's an out in his contract, so he's likely gone. And the GM who took Malik Willis got dusted like two months ago.
Starting point is 00:18:28 So I think Trey fits Tennessee's offensive identity better than San Francisco's, which is not asking for power and a power arm. They're asking for accuracy. And I know this to be true, that San Francisco. Francisco last year in the preseason or right before it literally reached out to a well-known quarterback coach, they had a real concern about accuracy. This offense asks, so can Tray go somewhere where his power arm and his athletic ability is coveted? And I think Tennessee's an interesting fit. When you think of Tennessee, you think D-Line Derek Henry Power Football Toughness.
Starting point is 00:19:08 Yeah. Trey's big. Trey's a big guy. Tray's strong. He's a smart kid. He's a hard worker. but he's not a beautiful thrower the football. Aesthetically, it's rough. Delivery motion is rough. Now, you can correct that, but I don't think, I don't think from what I've heard, from people I trust, he's a great fit with this office. I throw a monkey wrench in your Aaron Rogers to Tennessee.
Starting point is 00:19:31 Well, that would probably be your first choice. Yeah, I'd lean Aaron Rogers over Traylans. Slightly. But that also, if Lance leaves Sanfran, that opens the door for the Jets to send Zach Wilson to be Brock Purdy's backup. Jets pick up an extra pick. Oh, Zach Wilson could crush it with Kyle Shinnahan.
Starting point is 00:19:48 Yeah. No? Okay, okay. I get that. Doug Peterson, completely turned the jacks around, Colin. He's your guy. League Wars 13 and 3 last year under another coach. Now they're 9 and 8.
Starting point is 00:20:00 Win the AFC South. They did need a crazy comeback last week, but no matter what happens, Peterson is seeing this season as a massive success. Whether we win, whether we lose, You know, our season was a huge success, you know, from that standpoint, first year together, overcome a lot of adversity from last year to this year and pushing these guys through and just go play and have fun.
Starting point is 00:20:24 Whether it's our money or house money, we're here. And it's a credit to those players in the locker room and the coaching staff for, you know, believing in each other, obviously working hard. What we've done down the stretch, you know, regardless of the mishaps, we're here. They're a year ahead of schedule. How does this team go from nine wins to say 12? Well, I still think they're O-lines in a bit of a rebuild. I think they need another receiver.
Starting point is 00:20:52 They need another corner. Do they have a number one receiver? Is Christian Kirk a number one? I think he's a great. He's a very productive two to me. He's a very productive two. That's not a knock. So DeAndre Hopkins allegedly wants out of Arizona.
Starting point is 00:21:05 Do you make a lot at him? Absolutely, because I'm not paying Trevor. So DeAndre Hopkins with Christian Kirk. And again, that way you wouldn't have to draft a receiver. So with them, the key is they got a couple holes to fill. I'm saying this off the top. I think they could use another corner and clean up their own line. Defensively, they're a little shaky.
Starting point is 00:21:25 Yeah, a little shaky. But they got a pass rusher too. But I don't think the other thing, and I was talking with Sean Payton about this, the AFC South and the NFC South, between those two, you've got one of eight teams, one great quarterback. So there is value in if you go to a Carolina or a Jacksonville and you start winning early because it's very a weak division. It's easier to sell your belief system to your players. I mean, you could go to Denver. Sean Payton could go to Denver and lose twice to Herbert and Mahomes next year.
Starting point is 00:22:06 And there's always a handful of players They move off, they get selfish You go to Carolina If you go to Carolina And you start winning your division Even if you're not a great team It's easier to sell your system To a locker room
Starting point is 00:22:22 When you win nine Even if you're not a good team You win a division And so with Jacksonville Is I don't know how good they are But there's not a single guy in that room That doubts Doug Peterson They're not going to win any other division
Starting point is 00:22:35 except maybe, I mean, seriously, that's the division they're going to win. Colts are very bad. Houston is atrocious. And Tennessee has a quarterback issue. They got a massive quarterback question. They've got some offensive skill issues too. I mean, I like the young receiver out of Arkansas. That's one.
Starting point is 00:22:51 Derek Henry's getting up there in age. A lot of innings pitch there, man. A lot of carries. All right. Final story, we rarely talk about this team anymore. They're not that good. The Patriots. Boy, they've had offensive issues all season.
Starting point is 00:23:02 making it a priority to figure out their offensive coordinator situation. The latest from my guy Rapsheet over at NFL Network, the team has requested permission to interview. Wait for it. Wide receivers coach Kenan McArdle? I know him. I covered, he doesn't remember me. I was a young sportscaster.
Starting point is 00:23:20 But when I was a sportscaster in Las Vegas, Keenan McArdle played for UNLV. Oh, yeah. And you knew instantly. He was a total adult. Like, go look up. He played in Jacksonville, I think, in the NFL, right? Kenan McArdle?
Starting point is 00:23:35 Did I cover him at... Yeah, Keenan was U and LV. It wasn't Oregon, was it? Other guys in the mix. He was a total grown-up. When you covered, it was U-N-L-V. Yeah, I was like 21 years old. It was like over 30 years ago.
Starting point is 00:23:50 And he was a really good college player. But it was like one of those guys, he took his craft. Totals... I mean, he was like a professional wide receiver in a bad football program. Like the work ethic. It wasn't like he was. was a blazer. He was going to be a great NFL player, but I remember him vividly being, like, strangely mature for 19 years old. So it doesn't shock me that he's been a very, you know,
Starting point is 00:24:13 somebody said that about me. I was like 29 and someone like, you're strangely mature for 29. Or boring. One of the two. Oh, damn. I mean, I'm boring. So my mom used to say I was eight going on 48 and it was like, because I didn't like, you know, I was a boring kid. I'm not a partier. Got to get you drinking more tequila. I know. That's nice. Anyways, Bill O'Brien. Ryan's also in the mix. Cliff Kingsbury, not because he's apparently in Thailand. I guess that's all they got, like Bill O'Brien, Keenan McCardo. It's weird because Belichick could do what Sabin's doing.
Starting point is 00:24:45 I don't understand modern offense. Let me bring in an offensive guy. That's what Sabin did at Alabama. They're great. Can't Belichick, doesn't he have the hubris to say, you know what? I just don't get this newfangled offense. Let's bring in a guy. It's your show.
Starting point is 00:24:58 It doesn't sound like he's going to be doing that. I think that's, I don't think the best candidates necessarily view this as a place you can go and have ultimate freedom. Is that fair? Yeah. That's not a great job. That's well. That was one of the big selling points for me to come on the show. You told me, Jake, do your thing. I don't care if you have many buttons open on your shirt. I got a lot of comments about chest hair yesterday. A couple more ladies were watching a show here. Sure, yeah. I'm sure your wife appreciates that. Yes, she does. All right, Jay Mack with The news.
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Starting point is 00:29:14 We've had three star quarterbacks in three years leave. I do not think it's a hot take to suggest he is privately on the market for the right trade package. It's tough because he's such a unique player. You have to structure your offense around him. A lot of teams don't have that infrastructure. That's why we're doing this game. Where does he fit?
Starting point is 00:29:35 Okay, so this could go, some of these will go quick. Let's start with the New Orleans Saints. Now, I think it's a good fit because of Taysam Hill, they have experience with running quarterbacks. So this offensive line is good. The defense is top five. And again, they've got young players, Chris Lave, that he can grow. with. So I think they are used to a quarterback that moves. I think it's a good fit in that division
Starting point is 00:29:59 again. Remember, he's from Pompano Beach, Florida. It's closer to home. I think he'd work in the culture down there. Damn, that's not bad. An on-turf, Lamar Jackson? Damn it. Okay, next up, Tampa Bay Bucks. Okay, bad fit. It's kind of an old team. There's limited cap space. They had an awful rushing offense now for two years. So he would kind of be a one-man, rushing crew. I think what I don't think with this, they just went from the ultimate
Starting point is 00:30:31 pocket quarterback to the ultimate running quarterback. I don't think their personnel's built for Lamar. We don't even know if their OC is going to be back. A lot of questions in Tampa. We think Leftwich isn't. Yeah. That's the story yesterday. And New York Giants.
Starting point is 00:30:43 Not a fit. You know, they've got a pass blocking left tackle. Poor offensive line interior. A lot of what he does. Got to be good guard, center guard. Don't they call Daniel Jones the vanilla Vic because he's kind of a running quarterback? Ask yourself this. If your quarterback's a pretty good runner, would you need to elevate running?
Starting point is 00:31:10 Don't you want a pure passer? I think you elevate passing. Lamar's an accurate passer. But it's not his strength. You've already got a quarterback who moves. That's not your weakness. He ran for 700 yards. I don't need a quarterback who runs better.
Starting point is 00:31:23 I've already got the mobile quarterback thing down. I thought this would just be like an upgrade, Daniel Jones on steroids with Lamar Jackson. Okay, Chicago Bears. I think it's a great fit. So they've already got a quarterback who moves. I mean, they really do, if you look at it, they have the most cap space so they can get him help immediately. They have a couple of good running backs. So you'd have two decent running backs, Lamar Jackson.
Starting point is 00:31:46 And by the way, they're the number one rushing offense in the league. So they're built to run. This is what they do. They've also got a defensive coach. He loves ball control. He would not ask Lamar to throw it 35 times. They want to wear you down and keep Aaron Rogers off the field and golf off the field and cousins off the field. They're going to build a defense in a running culture.
Starting point is 00:32:04 He's perfect. You think Lamar looks at those receivers and says, I had this kind of setup in Baltimore. Same with the Giants. And won. He won in Baltimore without great receivers. So the bears have had what? Eight of the last nine years have been losing seasons, I think. Indeed.
Starting point is 00:32:18 Let's move to the AFC. The Raiders. Terrible. Josh McDaniel's system is Brady and Mac Jones. It is a total pocket quarterback system. Also, he's a Florida kid. You're far from home. I don't like to fit there at all.
Starting point is 00:32:31 Patriots staying in the Northeast. I don't think it's a fit at all. Also, not a lot of dynamic. I mean, there's just the coaching instability. Belichick could retire. You don't know who the OC is. I mean, he wants to go somewhere where he feels like this is a physical, offensive fit.
Starting point is 00:32:49 What is New England offensively? What are they? We saved the best two for last. Are the Miami Dolphins? I think it's a great fit. I'll tell you why. It's a speed team. He would be more of, he would be more, they would be the fastest team in the league.
Starting point is 00:33:04 Maybe in league history. Yeah. And so to me, a clever offensive coach with a lot of weapons, you can't just spy Lamar Jackson, a lot of bubble screens on the outside, open it up for Lamar. I love that fit. And then finally, my New York Jets good fit for Mr. Jackson. I think it is because I think outside of left tackle, the O line is solid. I think Sala and the GM are on the hot seat, so you're going to get urgency.
Starting point is 00:33:29 They're not going to mess around. They got a lot of cap space. They want to win. They want to get a left tackle. And you've got some interesting pieces here. Imagine if this is two straight summers that the Jets lose out on a big time star. Tyreek Hill, the Jets were in the mix. He ends up in Miami.
Starting point is 00:33:44 Lamar Jackson and he ends up in Miami, Jets would be pretty ticked off. By the way, they're not spending money on offense. so they got room to spend on Lamar. Who are they paying offensively? Nobody. They're not paying anybody. So you can bring them in and pay them a lot of money. Consumercellular.com slash the herd slash your cell phone bill in half.
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