The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd Saturday Special Podcast: 02/23/2019

Episode Date: February 23, 2019

 Colin talks with TCM Host and film expert Ben Mankiewicz about the Oscars including a snub for best picture even before they announce a winner.  Ben also talks about the lack of host for the awards and the impact streaming services have had on the film industry  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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where his father, Frank Mancoitz. A former NPR president, political advisor, and journalist. His grandfather was Herman Mankowitz, the screenwriter for Citizen Kane, which is just, can you imagine having a grandfather of folks in your family who wrote Citizen Kane? The great nephew of Joe Mancoitz, the director's screenwriter, all about Eve. So obviously, in your family and Ben's family, it's a history of cinema. And would you classify this year as a good, I've seen four or five of the top ones. Would you classify it as a good?

year for movies? Yeah, I would classify it as a good year for movies. You know, there's some, you know, questionable choices, but there always are this year. And I think the conversations about it have been good. So, yeah, I would say this was a good year for movies. I certainly enjoyed most of the movies nominated for Best Pictures. I think the lock of the year, every year there's a category, and I feel like, oh, that's an easy one. Is Christian Bale, lead actor, and vice? Do you feel the same way? I think he is as much a lock as you can get. I think Alfonso Corone winning Best Director is a bigger lock.

But yes, I think Christian Bayo is a good lock. You've got to lay like – no, sorry. By the way, Christian Bayo is not a lock. Rami Malik is the lock. I'm sorry. Really? Yeah, Rami Malik, you've got to lay 600 to win 100 on Rami Malice. Now, he obviously was in Bohemian Rhapsody.

Yeah. First of all, I thought he was very good. and in both cases, Christian Bail and Rami, you had a physical component where Bail looked like Dick Cheney. That's right. And I think that in some ways that hurt you with some voters because they see it as a caricature. I am with you, but there is a split on vice. I mean, a lot of my – I love vice, and a lot of good friends of mine did not. So – but I thought Christian Bail was amazing. And I thought the entire cast was fantastic, you know. So I was, Sam Rockwell, I thought, played the best George W. Bush that anybody has played. And Amy Adams does have some chance to win also.

She's one of the few, that's one of the few competitive categories, Amy Adams's. Let's go back to Vice. Some could say, you know, they made Bush look sometimes a little silly, and you could argue it was a little heavy-handed politically. Does that hurt a bail? Does that hurt best picture? Does that hurt Vice? Yeah, I think it probably overall hurts it. But, I mean, and I think of Adam McKay, who I admire enormously, I think if you were talking to Adam McKay right now, you go, yeah, yeah, it was. It was heavily political.

Yeah, that was the point. I was trying to skewer these guys effectively. I thought why Rockwell was so good is that, you know, everybody who does Bush sort of place him as a bonehead, and sometimes very effectively, sometimes very funny. I thought Josh Rowland was good in W. I thought Will Ferrell did it masterfully on Saturday Night Live. I thought Rockwell gave him sort of humanity that he still, you still got the feeling that this was somehow a frat bro who somehow became president. But just that scene where he's like, you know, eating the barbecue and throwing it over his shoulder. And he's like, I want you to be my, I want you to be my vice. You know, and I thought Rockwell was, but I think he's a master and I, and bail too.

I thought they were both just so good. But it looks like Robbie Malik is going to win easily again. Wow. The books don't get it wrong that much. So lead actor is going to go to Ravi Malik, Bohemian Rhapsody. I thought it was a good movie. I just, as a kid, loved Queen. So I classified the movie as a really good movie.

I don't consider Bohemian Rhapsody a great movie. I did think Star is Born was the most emotional two hours I spent in a theater. I would give Star is Born best picture, but it's been remade several times. Does that hurt it? That this has been done. It's not original. I don't know that it hurts it. I mean, this is in this, you know, the average Oscar voter is in his 60s, and, you know, this is a group of people, you know, look, I work for Turner Classic movies. I love the earlier versions of stars more, some more than others. No, look, it hadn't been remade in nearly 50 years, you know, over 40 anyway. And I agree with you. I thought it was outstanding. When I saw it, I thought this is a good bet to win best picture. But now, if you really think it's going to win best picture, then you should put some money on it. it's 66 to 1.

My wife said that Bradley Cooper was too close to Chris Christofferson. Do you buy that as a lead actor? I mean, no, I don't. I thought he was, I think he's, I like Chris Christopherson. I think he's underrated as an actor, but I think Cooper is better. I just think that movie is better. It works better than the 76 version. The 1937 version, the first one is my favorite.

All of them have merit. Most TCM fans would, you know, they celebrate the 1954 version, Judy Garland, that's their favorite. But I think this is a real quick. This is a reminder that it's okay to make a remake a classic movie. All this has done is get people more interested in the original movies, and I think this version of Starsborn certainly stands on its own. All right. Best picture, I'd go Star is Born. You would go? Well, I mean, are you asking me what my favorite was? Yeah, what's your favorite? What would you pick as your favorite movie?

I mean, you know, my favorite movie was eighth grade and it's not nominated. So I think that's a limited chance. Yes. I thought eighth grade was unbelievable. Yeah, I have a young daughter. By the way, good call on that. Why didn't it get nominated? I don't know. I think it's crazy, and I think she should have been nominated Elsie Fisher. I thought she was unbuilt.

I don't think how you could be a better actor than she was. Of the movies that they're nominated, I mean, I thought Roma was pretty great, and I got no problem with Roma winning, and I think it is going to win, although Green Book is competitive, and that's going to call it. If Green Book wins, there is going to be a tremendous amount of hand-wringing and articles about how the Academy still doesn't get it on Monday morning. Yeah. By the way, let me insert this.

Regardless of what I think politically about Kevin Hart, he made some inappropriate comments, apologized. They're going to go hostless this year. The ratings through the years have been dipping. What do we do with the Oscars? I saw Barry Diller had a quote this week that Netflix has killed a theater experience. People stay home. what is Hollywood he said it was irrelevant i don't agree with that but i do think it's a different

world now in netflix and the amazon primes and subscription services tvs made a huge comeback in that term um what do you make of where Hollywood is now with the oxkers well i mean you you you know first of all you and i as professional hosts we don't like to see shows without hosts right i'd like there to be and i think they add value frankly i think that yeah when it's done right That said, you know, producing this show, would he give out 24 awards and all the other things that this show has to do, it's incredibly difficult to produce. Time is an issue. I am enormously sympathetic to the president of the academy, John Bailey, for everything that he's getting pulled at.

And you know the network is in his ear like three hours, three hours, three hours, we've got to get it down to three hours. And then they work with the governors, and they come up with an answer, and then the entire academy revolts against him. You know, so the Academy should probably figure out a way to get the show down in length. You and I both know. I mean, I'm the biggest baseball fan in the world, but I'll concede that, you know, watching the Mariners beat the Rangers 6 to 3 in August in a nine-ending game that takes three hours and 49 minutes is sort of a problem. Yes. You know, right?

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He was doing commercial fare. But there is a sense, I have it, that what Hollywood likes is, at times now disconnected from what middle America likes. What do you make of that criticism? I think that that has always been true. I don't think, I mean, I respect Barry Diller enormously. He gave me my big break in this business. I just think that that's not really true. I mean, first of all, you know, that said, where he, his point is buttressed by the fact that the highest rated Oscar ceremony ever was when Titanic was nominated. That said, 1998, I think, I might be off 97, I think, but 20 years ago, you know, we were talking about Netflix and Prime and Hulu and now Apple getting into them.

It was a different world. You know, you know that TV ratings are dropping across. This is the lowest rated Super Bowl ever. The Emmys were the lowest rated Emmys ever. The Grammys had the lowest rating 18 to 49 ever. We are live television is not what it was 10 years ago, 20 years ago, certainly 50 years ago. That said, one of the most, if not the most popular movie of the year, Black Panther is nominated. So I don't know that that's Bohemian Rhapsody.

nominated. Those were enormously popular movies. So, you know, and they may not win, but that's not going to keep people from watching. People think they have a chance to win, even though they don't either, neither of them have a chance to win. By Ben Mancoitz is joining us. If you said eighth grade was, you were shocked it wasn't nominated. Is there a movie that was that if you had to replace it, you would? Oh, you mean of the most pictures? Yeah, I mean, first of all, you can give 10, so you wouldn't have to replace anyone. Bohemia Rhapsody, I like, I like, Queen, too. I think we had to wait a long time until we actually heard Queen. The movie took two hours to get the Queen playing some songs there at Live Ate.

Bohemian Rhapsody, like Walk Hard, that seemed to meet every touchstone of what a musical biopic is supposed to be. Like, it just felt so safe and so careful that, I mean, it's fine. But as one of the best pictures of the year, if you have to take one out and stick eighth grade in, I'd take out Bohemia. By the way, I've seen both, and I totally agree. And again, as I finished the movie, I watched it with friends, and I said, was that a great movie, or was the last 20 minutes great because we all love Queen? That's largely what I. And there's so many silly things that were changed about Friday Mercury's life. I get it.

Hollywood does that. They just didn't need to be changed. I felt sort of oddly about Bohemian Rhapsody, the same way I did about Pearl Harbor, where after Pearl Harbor, you're like, I thought it, I didn't realize Pearl Harbor was a love story. I thought it was, was it not dramatic enough that the Japanese? He's attacked Pearl Harbor and launches into World War II. That wasn't enough for you. Ben Menkowitz joining us. Lead actress, Glenn Close, in The Wife.

You can make certainly a compelling argument. She's as good an actress. I mean, Meryl Streep, Glenn Close, as we've had in a long time. Yeah, I got, I mean, you watch, first of all, there's a movie that not a lot of people have seen. But I love the wife. I love her performance and, you know, damages the show she did for five years on FX. Yes. And on Direc TV, she was just, you know, that was like a five, it was like a course in how to be a lead actor. So she's win. You got to lay $1,000 to win 100. So I think she's a really good bet to walk away with the Oscar. By the way, Lady Gaga on a Star is born, also up lead actress. I thought she surpassed expectations. I don't have enough. I'm out of my depth talking about whether or not it was a great performance. I thought it was a very surprisingly good performance.

that didn't rival Glenn Close and the wife, is that fair? I mean, I think it does rival Glenn Close. Oh, you do? I think Glenn Close is, you know, she's been doing this much longer. So I guess she's probably a little better at it right now. But I am never surprised when a singer who puts on a real performance on stage, right? Somebody like Lady Gaga. She's a performer.

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Well, Cher transition. She was in Moonstruck, I think it was. Yeah, share was great. But if you also, if you watch some of the early movies, you know, a Werner Herzog cast, you know, know, a Mick Jagger, and he's in some really interesting movies early in his career before he sort of completely devoted himself. If Mick Jagger wanted to be an actor, he'd have been a good actor. Bruce Springsteen wanted to be an actor, he'd be a good actor. So none of this. In general, I think if these performers who really put on a show, I think they're performers and acting is performance.

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Recent years, Ben, we've seen Best Actor go to often portrayals of historical figures. A Lincoln. A Stephen Hawking. God, that was great. A Churchill, a Capote, a Ray Charles. You know, when talking about Rami and Christian Bale, is that there are certain. certain roles which seem to be built for best actor. What do you make of that? Yeah, I think that's right. I think there are certain roles that, you know, I mean, again, if you, you know, movies feel real. The best movies, to me, feel authentic. And so if you start with a person who people know about or want to learn more about, then, you know, you're already part of the way there.

I don't think it keeps a totally fictional character from winning. As we well know, it hasn't. I mean, you know, there was no Don Corleone, but it didn't keep wins from, it didn't keep wins for the Godfather away. So I think it helps certainly with the Academy to play a historical figure, but you don't have to. But obviously it does help, and it has certainly helped in recent years. But those are, you know, we're looking at small sample sizes there. The supporting actress, Amy Adams for Vice, I don't have the Vegas odds, Emma Stone and the favorite. Regina King is the favorite.

If Beal Street could talk, which, by the way, I've not seen, it is not Memphis. I said the other day, Beale Street's in Memphis, and somebody said that's not what it's about. No, it's not. Okay, okay. Although I admit when, you know, about 10 minutes into the movie, I'm like, when are they going to Memphis? But by the way, Bill Street, which is not nominated for Best Picture, I would also include in Best Picture. Barry Jenkins is a brilliant director. There's one scene in Beal Street, which you'll know it as soon as you see it, there's a scene where the two families

involve meat and they share some good news, but it doesn't end good. And it is just, it is as good wrenching family dynamic scene as you can put in a movie. And I think that's largely what got what has Regina King, who's a brilliant, brilliant actress and is, I so hope she is enjoying her day in the sun because it has been a long time coming. But I think she's going to win. But that one's a little competitive. She's like one to three, and Amy Adams is three to one. Yeah, I love Amy Adams. I think she's really, I believe Amy Adams is making a movie now, woman in the window. I could be wrong. Is that the wrong? Do I have the wrong? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I work for TCM. I only pay, I only pay attention to what's already happened. I go to my IBM, DM page or whatever that's called. They always have a list of what you're doing, what you've done, what's being produced. Upcoming project. Yes. Ben Mancowitz is joining us. I think it is, you know, it's the ying and the yang to push the pull, obviously movies, you know, the Marvel comics. If you don't pitch something that can be,

you know, a trilogy, a lot of studios aren't interested. I work at, you know, Fox, where Rupert Murdoch has sold his movie division. Yeah. But I also think televisions as good as it's ever been. You know, Roma is a Netflix movie, Amazon Prime. What do you make about the emergence of Netflix, Netflix movies being nominated? There certainly have much greater budgets than television shows. do at NBC or an ABC. How is that playing in Hollywood where Netflix now can win Oscars? Well, first of all, they haven't, and they're putting a lot of money into Roma, and they spent much more time having Roma in a theater to sort of get some of these older. Look, you're not going to talk to anybody on your show, Colin, who spends more time with octogenarian members of

the Academy than I do. They've become a lot of my really good friends, but there is definitely some pushback that, hey, man, that's not a movie. I don't watch a movie on my television. I mean, I might watch a screener on television. But isn't it, Ben, isn't it, if a TV show is costing $100 million, I mean, I think it's, I think, when I look at Netflix, it's not TV. It's a combo. It's a hybrid. That's right. I think it's just harder to get the older Academy voters to accept that.

But Roma, I think it's going to win the odds favorite winning best picture. And, you know, once they get one, then that sort of they'll push down that wall and that house will crumble. and I think that we'll see many more movies that premiere on Netflix or Prime or Apple, and you know when Apple comes, they're going to come hard with real quality. I mean, I think you're right. There's a lot of talk in this town, bemoaning that there's no mid-range picture. You either spend $100 million or $250,000 or you can spend $800,000, but there's nothing. Where's the $12 million to $20 million picture?

And those stories are on television. They're getting written for television, as you just said. I mean, it's beyond calling this the golden age of television. This is a whole new plane to television. I mean, you can, there are now 30 shows that I know are excellent that I can't even get to. And that's where the best writing is, is on television. There's some good writing in movies, but the best writing out here, which is what writing drives these stories. The best writing is happening on television, on Netflix, on Prime, and, you know, Better Call Saul and the Americans and all these great, great shows on basic.

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By the way, when you do Turner Classic Movies, the host and the film critic, can you move in as a critic now and say, I want to talk about this Netflix show on Amazon Prime. Are you given that latitude? I am. I do a show. I did a show called What the Flick for a long. time and do a podcast now called Breakfast All Day with some other critics. They don't mind. I think they like the fact that the intros on TCM. I know I do, sort of that those are free from,

they might, you know, I can add a little snark, but I don't think they want a professional critic, especially telling you not to watch a movie that they're about to air. So, and also, you know, look, we show a lot of movies that are great, and we show some movies that aren't so great, but are still fun. So, you know, we sort of keep those hats separate. That's some mixing metaphors, but you know what I mean. Yeah. Mani Machado, $300 million. He'll last about four years there. I said yesterday, you're a baseball fan.

He won't affect the standings. He'll affect the stands because they're going to get 3,500 more people in night. So the $30 million your contract will be about $22 or $20 after the commerce. They've got a bunch of good prospects, Will Myers, Eric Hosmer. What did you make of that move, which sounds absurd, but as a baseball fan, what do you make of that? I think it's great. I love, you know, I live here in Southern California. I mean, I'm an Oklahoma fan, but I've been here nearly 20 years, so I've got some affinity for the Dodgers now. But I love competition. I love going down to San Diego. It's a beautiful ballpark.

Great ballpark. I think they're bringing back the brown uniforms finally next year. Are they? 20-20, yeah, it's about time. I mean, they may have been horrible, but at least you knew you were watching the Padres. You know, now, who Padres wearing blue? Come on. So I like it. I also think there'll be tremendous value in it. You know, it's like, it's like $7 to $8 million per win, you know, and he's like a five or six win player.

He's probably worth $35 to $40 million. And he's only 26. I mean, you know, he can opt out at $31, but I don't know that there'll be a five-year-a-old $150 million contract waiting for a 31-year-old the way things are going. So I'm a fan of it. I think they got a pretty good, I think they got a pretty good deal. I mean, it's a crazy amount.

I remember, I told you I'm an A fan. I think it was 1990, and Ricky Henderson signed with the A's for, for four years at $12 million, he was the first player to make $3 million a year. And then within like an hour and a half, four guys had passed him and he wanted to redo his contract. Yes. But that was just, I mean, that was 1990. That wasn't 1960. I mean, it's only been, you know, 29 years and guys were making $3 million a year.

Now we've got a guy at 30. Yeah, I mean, what's happened, Ben, really, even in hockey, the new TV deals, you can validate this stuff. Totally. Through just basic TV deals. I mean, the Padres are a small market, but it's not Fenway or, you know, Chicago where the Cubs and the Red Sox simply don't have, you can't create 7,000 more seats. He could have easily, if they signed Bryce Harper, you would sell 6,000 season tickets in 24 hours. I live in Santa Monica.

If they signed Bryce Harper, I might buy Padre season tickets. I don't know how I get that, you know. Well, continued success, Ben. Baseball season's coming up, so are the Oscars. Thank you so much for stop by our Saturday podcast. Anytime, Colin. Great to talk to. Last night, a blown call changed a game.

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