The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd Saturday Special Podcast: 08/25/2018

Episode Date: August 25, 2018

Colin talks with CBS College Football Analyst and former FSU QB Danny Kanell about the Urban Meyer situation, the South being too dominant and is USC Head Coach Clay Helton is on the hot seat in this exclusive podcast. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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1-3 Eastern Daily. I love him. I've worked with him. Danny Cannell, former Florida State quarterback, NFL quarterback, joining us. First thoughts, you know, I always sort of thought Coach Kay was the big dog in basketball. Then about five, six years ago,

Calipari comes in, and he challenges him. But it feels like, once again, coach Kay is a little more refined. has pulled away. I always thought Nick was the big dog and Urban Meyer goes to Ohio State and I'm like, oh, he's catching up to him. Oh, he's catching up to him. This last couple of weeks with Urban Meyer, it feels like Sabin has extended the gap. I don't even see Urban Meyer the same way, Danny, between Florida and Ohio State. I don't know. Maybe I'm being hyperbolic here, but this thing for Urban Meyer combined with the Florida mess, I see them differently. Do you?

I do. There's no doubt about it that Urban Meyer's legacy has been tarnished, but I will give that a quick aside. We can forget things really fast if he wins another national championship, right? Like it can be turned around. People will forget things. But I think overall, like people still talk about the mess that he had at Florida. Like people still talk about the arrest records, the amount of players that he had on there. So it'll always be something where you look at some coaches, hey, they did it the right way. everybody's going to have that opinion on Urban Meyer, hey, well, how really was he doing it? One of those guys that put football above anything else, and every indication that you've seen from his career, the answer to that question is, yes, football has been bottom line most important

thing. Sometimes that's okay. Like I can be, you know, some fans can live with that, others can't, but there's definitely a tarnish on Urban Meyer's name after all this. Well, Zach Smith is the first coach he's ever fired in his career, Bowling Green, Utah, Florida, Ohio State. The knock I heard on Urban 10 years ago is that it's not all coaches give good guys a second chance, but Urban is given bad guys a third chance.

And I think it hurt him at Florida, and I think it heard him at Ohio State. My takeaway on this whole mess was, why did you give a marginal wide receiver coach multiple chances? That to me is the thing that sticks out. If he was like Chip Kelly as an offensive coordinator, part of me says, okay, I get being seduced by great. But boy, being seduced and loyal to mediocre, it just doesn't make any sense to me. Well, you don't have to look much further in his own coaching staff either, Colin, to look at some of the second chances given to Greg Chiano, to Kevin Wilson, who was run out of Indiana. Like, those are ones that you can kind of live with. And I am totally with you.

When you look at it, the most perplexing thing is that this is a marginal. coach. And like the wide receivers coach, they're oftentimes and a lot of staffs. They're kind of at the bottom, you know, of the total fault. Like they're, they're not that important by as far as input on the game plan, those sorts of things. I think a lot of it has to do with our old Bruce connection. Like, it really does. And you coaches are loyal to a fault. And this might be one of the most surprising acts of loyalty that you've seen. And maybe you could, you know, maybe we're describing it the wrong way, a vicious act of stupidity for Urban Meyer to be completely blind to what was really going on and to just make a logical choice and get rid of this guy much earlier

than he did. And it's why we're sitting here talking about his legacy because he was loyal to a fault. You know, somebody called, or Nick Saving a cheater, an anonymous football coach. And, you know, it's easy to win when you have all the great players. Listen, Ole Miss got tagged. We've seen Oklahoma USC get tagged Auburn. Generally, if you cheat, you get caught. Or am I being naive that, you know, Alabama's going west.

getting players and going to Texas getting guys. You know, is there this kind of unspoken thing that it's not all on the up and up? I think if Nick was cheating, we'd hear about it. I think we're all naive to the fact of what's going on in college football. I think there's a seedy underbelly of back men and cash payments. But here's the thing. I don't think the coaches even know about it. And I think they can try to police it as best they can, and they just can't do anything about it.

You can't control what crazy boosters are willing to do at the length they'll go to to get the latest four and five star guy. And you are right. If Nick Saban was aware of it had any kind of hand in it, he would have been busted by now, especially when you have the success that he has. Like when you're the successful team, the successful coach, people want to find something to bring you down. And are you like the Auburn's faithful? They would do anything they could to try to get down Nick Sabin. If they had any hints of impropriety, they would have been reporting it. They would have had somewhere out there.

So I think there is. I think we often, I think there is. And I think, you know, like we just found out with college basketball, the magnitude of that that was going on. And that was more corporate. It was a little bit more surprising because of the companies that were involved. But I think we'd all be surprised if everything was just uncovered. You started saying, oh, my gosh, that's how much cash it took to get that kid to sign with this school over that one. But that being said, I don't think it's the.

coaches. And I don't think there's a lot they can actually do about it because of the way it's operating. It's just so much behind the scenes in the dark that they can't do anything about it. But the whole comment of the, you know, Nick Saban being overrated or, or any of that, it's just, it's laughable when you look at what he's done. And if you wanted to have a conversation with me about, all right, well, who's the best X's and O's coach and the game day guy or developer of talent? Then maybe you go, all right, David Shaw, Pat Fitzgerald at Northwestern, David Cut Cliff at Duke because their hands are tied. They have less talent that they have to maximize.

But Nick Saban is the best recruiter in the country, and that's what college football is a talent acquisition business. So he gets the best talent, but the thing that makes him truly special that makes him one of the greatest of all time is he actually develops that talent and gets the most out of them. It's remarkable when you look at the run that he's had. And I've always been one to defend Bobby Bowden. You know, we had a 14-year run, never finished outside the top five.

And I'm starting to get nervous that that run is in jeopardy the way Nick Saban keeps rolling this program. I only think there's one truly overrated coach in college football, and you're going to hate me, but I think it's Jimbo Fisher. Yeah. You don't leave Florida State. You leave Florida State when you feel like they're going to run you out, and I think Jimbo Fisher is overrated.

I think there's a lot of underrated guys. I think Paul Chris at Wisconsin's underrated. I think that's staff. I mean, Wisconsin is a state that has no football players in high school to give you. So let me, here's something. I love college football. But when sports become regional, guys like me don't talk about them. They can still be big in a city or a region.

You can talk about it in Atlanta, but baseballs become too regional. The reason I don't talk baseball is outside the Yankees. Nobody in Boston watches the Padres and nobody in Houston watches, you know, just a team, Philadelphia. Is that Bama Clemson, again, favor to make the national champion. I have felt in the last five or six years that, and I don't think Clemson and Bama have coaches who are going anywhere. Is it possible? Bama Clemson are now bad for college football? Yeah, I've thought about that a lot, Colin, because we've had the same question when it was the Calf's Warriors with the NBA. It was like, oh, but you are right. The NBA, they have nationally known

superstars. Yes, yes. And with college football, just by the sheer fact of turnover, you're not going to see the same players. You're going to see the same coaches. And I did not love the fact that it was Georgia versus Sama. And it wasn't anything to do with a hatred for the SEC or anything. It was just, I thought it was bad for college football. I think you did need to pull in from other parts of the country. But you know what? Those ratings were still off the chart. I think college football is in a really good place right now. I think it's because the NFL is taking such a PR hit. Like it really has. Some of it's their own doing. Like with the NFL owners, the anthem stuff, you have the Mexican mileage.

issues. You have all these things going on that have hurt the NFL. I'm worried because you're starting to see more of that with what's happening to Ohio State, with Urban Meyer, with what happened to Maryland, and what you're talking about with Bama Clemson, even more importantly, I think fans will get tired of seeing the same teams. And here's the scary part. If you can tell me more than seven or eight teams every single year in college football that can legitimately win the title, you know, I'll give you 100 bucks. You just can't find them. There's only seven or eight teams that have enough talent. Again, it's talent acquisition. business, they're just aren't enough teams that can pair with Clemson and Bama.

You're going to see Ohio State. You're going to see Oklahoma. You're going to see USC, you know, Michigan and Florida State. And then once you get outside of that, it's like, there aren't any teams that can contend there. So I think college football does need to be careful. That was one of the reasons that bothered me so bad, why Bama got the free pass. You know, they didn't win their division. They didn't win the SAC because I thought they should, I think that's when you lose college football fans. When they're saying, oh, everybody's just want to do Bama again. Let's just put them in. I don't think there's any crooked thing. And then, you know, there's nothing nefarious going on. I just think it's a flaw in the system.

If anything, I think we should be making it harder on Bama because they have all this talent. It certainly made it easier. And you had an opportunity to kind of spread the wealth and give somebody else an opportunity. And you didn't. And I think that was a missed opportunity for college football. Yeah, I mean, I will say this right now. The Big Ten, Ohio State is really good this year. Auburn, or, excuse me, Penn State is really good this year. Wisconsin's offensive lines are probably the best in the sport. They may have the best running back in college football. Washington's coming back.

So there are northern teams. And I think the Big Ten right now, it doesn't have the SEC's players, but I think the coaching at the Big Ten, they've started spending money on assistance and recruiters. And so I do think we are getting the Big Ten reemerging, which I love. I'll get back to Danny Connell in one moment.

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I mean, if, let's be honest, if Purdue was having dysfunction, they'd be one in 11. Yep. When Florida has dysfunction, they go, you know, five and seven or whatever. USC's been largely dysfunctional for about eight years, and they still won the Pac-10 championship last year. But they were rolled by Ohio State, rolled by Notre Dame, last couple of years rolled by Alabama. If Clay Helton gets rolled by Texas, even if he beats Stanford and UNLV, if he gets rolled by Texas, which is seen as a national program, he doesn't have much of a, he's not a big, pop guy. The staff is kind of average, it many believe. If they get rolled on TV by Texas, do you think by game three, Lynn Swan is thinking, I'm over this? We can't compete with Ohio

State, Notre Dame, Alabama, Texas in two years got the right coach and blows us out. What is your take on Clay Hilton and the future going forward? All right, there's a huge game that you left out before Texas, but I need to know how they did because they go on the road to Stanford in week two. Like if they win that game, and they lose to Texas, I think he'll be fine. Because, you know, you're kind of in a good spot. I think if you look at Clayhought, I think you're on to something, because of what you said about does he have that pop that U.S. fans in L.A.

and all that Southern California brings with it, he doesn't have that. And that's unfair, but it's kind of a fact of the matter. When you look at every coaching search they've ever had, you know, listen to Kishon Johnson or anybody else that goes out there and talks about U.S. football, they're saying, we're different. We're Hollywood. We need that flashy figure. He is definitely not that.

But if you look at the numbers, Colin, like he's the first coach in USC history to have 10 games in his first two years. Like it's first time in the history of the school to 10 years, 10 game winning seasons those first two. He's got nine top 25 wins in the last couple years. Three of those against top five teams. Like he has signature wins. I was looking for that. He's got the Pac-12 championship. But there is, and there is a, but it is a program that falls right in line with Ohio State, with Bama, with Florida, with Florida State.

their expectations are every few years. And I think USC fans are pretty reasonable. I think they've had seen some of the ups and the down. Yeah. They feel every few years, we should contend for a national championship. And that's what he's missing. And if he doesn't get that soon, and whether that, you know, that's Texas game, if he gets blown out there, look, if they lose the Stanford and Texas back to back

and they're one and two, those cries are going to be really loud. But they've got to, Clayhouton does have to elevate USC on a national scale to where they're contending for a national championship. And whether that's just getting into the playoffs. Like just get to the playoffs. And I think that's the end up. But if they fall short of that in Washington, it also hurts that Washington is the flag bearer for the Pac-12.

Because I'm sure U.S. defense look at the program and say, they are not the same caliber as we are. We need to be better than them without question. And if you're not, then it starts putting heat on Clayholt. Danny Connell, CBS Sports, college football studio analyst. He's on Sirius X-XM, the Mad Dogs Sports Radio Channel, 1 to 3 Eastern on a daily basis, co-host of Off the Bench podcast with

Raja Bell. Finally, Jim Harbaugh. I argue that he is a bad spot in year two against Ohio State from going into his fourth year with already a playoff berth and a 10-win season, and that would have been if they got that marking against Ohio State, an 11-win season. I think he's on track. Once again, their defense is really good, but he has an end. NFL level quarterback, I believe.

But a lot of people are like, a lot of noise, not good enough, only, you know, like 12th to 14th in this poll. Where do you fall on Harbaugh on his Michigan high, you know, run? All right. So here's the way I look at Tim Harbaugh, Colin. So the first year he's hired, I think everybody in college football love to hire. Michigan man, return into his roots, great for college football. The second year, I thought the rest of the college football landscape was kind of over him a little bit. You know, SEC fans are saying, hey, wait a second.

This guy's coming in our backyard. He's stealing recruits. You know, other coaches are like, hey, wait a second. He's throwing a lot of us under the bus. The third year, I thought even Michigan fans to some extent were kind of over Jim Harbaugh, the hype. And they want to start seeing results. And I think that's a fair assessment because I think they do want to say,

hey, he's worth his salary. He talks a big game. Now it's time to back it up. And I'm with you. I think he's close. They're heading the right direction. But much like we talk about with Clay Hilton and USC, Michigan's fans. expect to win and they expect to beat Ohio State. They expect to beat Michigan State. And if you don't,

they're going to be some rumbling. That week one game against Notre Dame is going to be so big for Michigan and for Notre Dame, who I think people are sleeping on. But for Jim Harbaugh and that Michigan team, they need to come out and kind of set the tone for the season because they do have the talent to compete. They do have an incredible defense. But I'm looking at Jim Harbaugh, and I say, he's supposed to be the quarterback guru. When is he going to develop a quarterback that has a top 10, top 15 offense in the country where they can actually perform. Finally, you feel like it's there with Shea Patterson, but he's got to actually do it on the field until everybody falls in line with Jim Harbaugh says, all right, it's worth it.

Let's all move forward. He's the right guy. Yeah, I'm a fan. I think that criticism's a fair one. And even Shea Patterson, he hadn't played much. But I do think he's the most talented thrower of the football he's had. And general- That's because look how bad.

He's got a list of transfer quarterback. Yes. John O'Corn, Jake Rudok. You know, Wilton State was his homegrown guy, and he was just, you know, like, it's not been pretty at the quarterback position. So he's running out of excuse. He's got to develop one of them. And I do think Shay Patterson is athletic.

I do think he has that ability. He played great as a freshman at Ole Miss, but then had a little bit of a regression. And I don't know if he knows pressure like he's going to see there at Michigan. It's a completely different ball game, and you never know how a guy's going to react. when he's put under that kind of spotlight. Danny, congrats on the new gig on CBS.

It's great talking to you, my friend. You're the best, Colin. Thanks for having me on. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. And nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo.

In every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the biggest moments in sports and giving you the real story behind the headline. And we're going straight to the source, the athletes themselves. their locker room stories, their reactions in the moment, and the stuff nobody gets to hear. Listen to SportsSlice on the IHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Sliced Life 12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. Life is full of hurdles, so how do you keep going? On Hurtle with Emily Abadi, we're talking with the most inspiring women in sports and wellness from professional athletes, coaches, and Olympic champions, about the challenges that shape them and the mindset that keeps them moving forward. At our level, at this scale, being able to fail in front of the entire world.

Like, I can do anything. I can do anything. Listen to Hurtle with Emily Abadi on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHart Women's Sports. Hey, what's good, y'all? You're listening to Learn the Hardway with your favorite therapist and host, Kear Games. This space is about black men's experiences, having honest conversations that's really not safe to have anywhere, but you're having them with a license. professional who knows what he's doing.

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