The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Jboy Show - Would you rather have Jimbo or Lane?

Episode Date: November 12, 2021

Jboy discusses the latest news on the college football playoff, plus debates whether he would want Jimbo Fisher or Lane Kiffin to lead his program. Make sure to check us out LIVE on Youtube every day at 3pm EST, plus follow us @thejboyshow on all social media platforms. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Big Georgia Bulldog fan, big fan of the show as well as going to join us. Got a great show. I want to start out talking about Jim Boer Lane. If you had to give a program to one of those two coaches for the next five years, a program that you love, one that you've been in love with, that you consider close and. near and dear to your heart, would you rather give it to Jimbo Fisher or Lane Kiffin? I've got a theory on one of these guys. I'm going to tell it to you. Then I want to talk about, you know, Ross Dellinger, a guy from sports legislature we had on here the other day, talking about playoff formats.

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and whatever else you got from the booster club. So make sure you hop in, keep spreading the word. growing like a weed, keep the miracle grow away from us. All right, I want to start here with Jimbo and Lane. If I had to pick somebody to take over a program that I loved that I cared about for the next five years, for the next half decade, you can give me Jimbo Fisher. And here's why. You can choose between Lane Kiffin, who I have a ton of respect for. If you watch the show, you already know that.

A ton of flash, social media monster, part of the new wave, innovative offensive mind. Not a ton of substance past that. as opposed to Jimbo Fisher, who's not as flashy, even though he has made some statements that he followed up on when you look at what he said about Alabama and Nick Saban. But Jimbo, to me, is a program builder. I talked about this with Kevin Sumlin, and I am not comparing Lane Kiffin and Kevin Sumblin. Lane Kiffin will build you an unbelievable offense. He'll get you a ton of publicity. You never have to worry about offense.

But Jimbo gives you sustaining life. What does that mean? You know you'll be solid on offense. not that Lane doesn't understand the importance, but Jimbo Fisher knows the blueprint deep down inside. The game is one up front, and you better be just as good on defense as you are on offense. Plus, being a defensive coordinator in Jimbo Fisher system

is a lot easier than being a defensive coordinator in Lane Kiffin's system, which lends you to give up less points. Not that you won't score as much. You may score a little bit less, but you won't give up as much, and it's not as big of a liability, and defensively you can't play good and still give up 30 points. but Jimbo to me when it comes down to all of it

recruiting he loves it he's in every one of them Lane while he enjoys recruiting he's not nearly as in deep recruiting when you get down into the nitty gritty as some of these other guys and that's just the truth people don't realize how good of a recruiter Jeff Leby really is a guy that I think would take over for Lane Kiffin and Ole Miss but when you look at Jimbo already won a national championship say what you want about that and how it ended at Fort Estate but he knows what it takes to get there and he builds it from the ground up

and it's everything it's the whole of approach. It's not just let's be good on offense and have a great quarterback. It's let's be good on offense. I've put quarterbacks in the league. Hell, he got E.J. Manuel drafted, which may be the best trick pulled since Houdini got out of the barrel in Niagara Falls. But when I'm looking at a program builder, when I'm looking at a guy that understands that all different wings, all different cogs of the machine need to be operating at one point. It's not just how many points you score. It's how many points you score and they don't score. It's being in love with recruiting. and also understanding how to be cool, I guess, in the new era.

Jimbo's got that, but Jimbo's also got something else. He coaches those guys extremely hard. Not that Lane and his staff don't, but they go about it a different way. Jimbo is an old school with some new school mentality offensively. You look at him formationally. You look how he's evolved. You look how smart he is knowing his personnel. And you cannot tell me and look at me that Texas A&M isn't a buy over the next five years.

Look at the way they're recruiting. Jimbo Fisher to me, and it's not by a ton. It's not by an oceanic-sized margin. But if I had to pick a guy to take over my program, not offense, program, give me Jimbo Fisher. Because a lot more goes into it than just scoring points. And I've been a big champion of Lane Kiffin and people blowing up over stuff off the field that really doesn't happen anymore or happened a ton in the past. Lane's really cleaned that up. Lane would be a great program leader.

I think he'd be great at LSU. But again, when it comes down to it, Jimbo to me is like a father. Lane is like a cool uncle. If I want somebody to run my business, I want the fatherly type that understands an aggregate. Everything has to come together and move it once. We just don't have to be flashy and risky and do that.

Now, people will say, oh, well, he's at Ole Miss. He has to. I can understand that argument a little bit. But if you put Jimbo at Ole Miss, I think they have a ton of success too. He just goes about it in a little bit of a different way. But looking at the scales, if I had to weigh Lane Kiffin and Jimbo Fisher, and I looked at them and said,

one of you will have to take over my program from the ground up for the next five years. Give me Jimbo Fisher. What say, you, Cohn? Well, you know, I have a lot more fun when I disagree with you. But on this one, I have to concur, doctor. You know, I just, I would take Jimbo Fisher. And like I said before, he's won the big one, you know, in an era where Nick Sabin and Davo Sweeney and all these guys have really just been

allocating all these championships. He got him won, right? I have a ton of respect for Lane Kiffin and what he's able to do on the offensive side of the ball. But I would take Jimbo Fisher as my head coach. Having said all that, I think you're still hot on the rebels this weekend, right? I am. I think there's a good chance that Ole Miss beats A&M. I think it's just a bad matchup for A&M.

It's kind of, I know they've got the Egg Bowl, and we're going to get Nick Fitzgerald former Mississippi State quarterback on during that week. I know that's a huge game. But this is a massive game. This is really the most massive one that Oleis has left, because they're still fighting to get into a. a great goal. You know, you look at Mississippi State at the end. That's great. You win this one. Matt Corral balls. Do we start hearing a little more of Matt Corral sneaking back up in the

highs? I wanted to ask you that. Yeah, I mean, again, it's about what come? It's about opportunities. I know. And you got game day. It's at night. It's at home. And these are the games where Lane pulls the wand out. And how beat up is Calzada? Because a great equalizer with a defense that we know is not personneled like a Georgia or Alabama or even in Auburn. And we know the struggles that Ole Miss has had defensively. It's a lot better this year than it was last year, but it's still not where it needs to be. The great equalizer is if Calzada's, you know, really not close to 80% healthy. He's had a shoulder. He's had an ankle. I don't know what type of, you know, Wonka juice they got underneath that tent, but whatever it is, it works. I mean,

we had Jaylon Wademeyer on. We're going to play that tomorrow. He talks about how Calzada is just as tough in practice as he is during the game, but being able to extend plays in the pocket. Guys extend plays different ways. There's a different way that Kylo Murray extends a play than Mack Jones. Calzada does a good job, in my opinion, of moving in the pocket and being able to extend the play, to get Deemis, to get Spiller, to get A-Chane out of the backfield, to get Wademeyer on the dig across the middle. He can extend it within the pocket. But if you can't move and you are literally having to throw from a point, which you know as a quarterback cone, you played the position. You are a sitting duck.

And if I'm Ole Miss, why would I not load the box and pressure Calzada the whole game? why would I not do it? You've got nothing to lose. And we saw how LSU played with nothing to lose. They threw a ton at Alabama. I talked to Bryce Young Monday night. They threw a ton of Alabama that Alabama hadn't seen. Don't think for a second that Lane Kiffin doesn't have a few toys left in the treasure chest that he's going to pull out this Saturday, like when you got done at the dentist as a kid. So, you know, Blaine, I know you may be on the other side here. You know, I'm leaning a little bit Lane Kiffin. I want to see Lane, you know, the new wave that's coming in football. Mostly football is flashy these days. in NIL, social media, and you see Lane dominate that corner.

And I want to see Lane at a job, like an LSU, where he has that chance, that can pull you in, the pull you in. Like, Timbo, Texas A&M is elite college from recruiting. I mean, it's giant, the money they have it. But Lane, as a coach, because the only thing you have to do realistically is make one get higher, make a good defensive coordinator higher, right? That's what the Texas A&M have is a great defensive quarter to hire. I remember Texas A&M team that struggled on defense.

That was their biggest problem with Johnny Mansell and all them. They couldn't score. They couldn't stop anybody. You put Lane in a system like LSU as a coach and they hit on a defensive coordinator and you want to talk about points and recruiting because at the end of the day, Jimbo can do the same thing when it comes to quarterback. But you want a big quarterback name. Big quarterback names follow Lane Kiffin where he goes. I agree.

You never have to worry about offense. Here's what I'm saying. And again, this is, you can be right arguing both sides of this. This is why I love this debate because there's logical and rational thoughts on both sides. both sides. You're talking about the new wave and social media and all this? Yeah, Lane is almost in a space by himself with it. And you know who else is close to him, in my opinion, is Mike Leach in the same state. They go about it in a different way. I think obviously Lane going to, and I love Ole Miss, and you can win an Ole Miss, but a more upper echelon, better resource place, which I know our

Ole Miss audience will agree. Those do exist. We don't live in the North Pole. Like this really does exist. And when I look at Lane going to a place like LSU, you can get elite defenders. You elite defenders, but the system that he runs and the pace that it operates, it's not robbing Peter to pay Paul per se, but you do have to understand as a DC. While they don't go Tennessee fast, they go really fast. And if you can have a great starting 11, but if you don't have depth, you start to fall off the cliff in the second half. We do see that a little bit with Tennessee. And people will be like, oh, well, they just beat Kentucky. That's great. I agree. I've been gassing up Josh Heiple, like I'm literally in a NASCAR race, but they still gave up 42 points.

Yeah. And at some point, you are going to get into a game, and we see this all the time. We just saw it with Alabama and LSU. And the thing that worries me about Lane is you are going to get into a game where the offense is not clicking. Bama first quarter. Are you good enough on defense? And is your defense not tired enough to be able to go out there and win a game 20 to 40? It's college basketball.

You can play running gun and shoot threes and all that. But if they're not falling, you better have another way to win the game. For sure. And an office system like that, you don't need a phenomenal defense, right? You need a mediocre defense. And the thing about LSU, what can you realistically create an LSU that's hard to create an Ole Miss on defense?

Yeah. Depth. Yeah. Well, yes. LSU recruits itself. You can have depth. You can have an offense like this that runs this fast-of-paced and score points and has a defense that's mediocre and win a lot of your games.

Because I think Georgia this year has a defense is anomaly. And you jump into here. But in an era where we see these new high-flying offenses and everybody wants to go fast and we see the RPO and we see coaches engaging on Twitter with what Kirby Smart is doing at Georgia with how special that system is that he has created right now. And I think they're headed for some special things this season. Does that disprove the need to have this sort of high-flying offense and be engaged on Twitter? Or does it show us that football is still an old-school game that you can win in old-school ways? Yeah, well, again, to me, and we say this on the show all the time, it revolves around how good you are up front. The beauty about college football is there's way more than one way to skin a cat.

I've seen guys win a national championship going up tempo, going empty a lot. We watched Alabama and Nick Sabin just play pro style and beat everybody and beat teams 24 to 3 and 24 to 7. Georgia, to me, and you hear this term in baseball in major leagues pitching backwards. What does that mean? Well, in baseball, you get 2-0 in the major leagues. In college, you're probably getting to fastball. in high school, you're definitely most likely getting a fastball. In major leagues, they can throw a change up to O for a strike.

So you're always on your heels. And what Georgia has done is said, okay, and they've been forced to do this with the injuries up front. J.T. Daniels's not being there because all we talked about during the offseason was how more exotic we thought this Georgia team was going to be. But just like everything, circumstance dictates outcomes and what you have to do. And when you get beat up like that, they went to the old school way. And let's not beat around the bush.

Georgia has the best roster in college football. All of this, the system you run, that's fantastic. But it's how you recruit, how you recruit, how you develop, and how that culture is. So to me, there's a lot more than one way to skin a cat. We can look on one end of the spectrum and we've seen it when. We can look on the other end of the spectrum and we've seen it when. And you realize that football is cyclical. It's all high flying and everything now, 30 years from now.

Everybody would probably be running the triple option and then it'll just redo again. I love when you say that. That's how it works. It's the matrix, right? But again, when I look at it to me, it's not, I will always look at recruiting first. When it comes down to making coaching hires, I will always look at recruiting first. You want to know what got Jeff Trailer, the guy we had on from UTSA, other than being just a good ball coach, what really elevated him from Texas when you won Big 12 recruiter of the year?

You started to see, because people start saying, all right, well, if you can bring in the players, we know you can coach ball. It doesn't matter. I'll say it all the time on the show. You can be an average play caller with elite players. and look like the smartest man alive. You can be an elite play caller with average players and look like you don't even know

how many people should be on the field at the same time. Like that's just how it goes. It's a players game that coaches oversee, and that's how it will always be. Well, I get it for sure that it's easier to have the best defense in the country when you have the best defensive players. Yep. But you can tell that Kirby Smart has assembled those specific guys

because of the mentality that he wants to have. The DNA of that team is strong. defense first, right? Because he's that guy. And that's the way Nick Saban has been for so long. And Nick Saban has had to sort of outsource the offensive guru mentality and bringing Sarkeesian and bringing Kiffin and bringing these guys. He's going to have to bring in a new O.C. every single year because they do well and leave, right? On the other side of that, when Blaine's talking about taking Kiffin, he's going to have to do the opposite of that. He's going to have to outsource the defensive problem to solve every single season because that guy's going to have success

and leave. Whereas you look at Kirby Smart in Georgia, it's like that side of the ball is going to always be solved for him, even if he doesn't get the best players. And he's learning as he goes, but there's an old saying in recruiting that I always lean back to. And it's not tricking people. It's not lying to people. When I recruit you, I take on your personality. When you get here, you take on our team's personality. And that to me is what Kirby Smart has done. It's one thing to recruit at an elite level. Only a handful maybe of schools do it. You can look at LSU's roster right now you want the guys out and they have pretty good players it's another thing to be able to take elite level talent and put them in an elite level structure and get them to believe in what you're

doing that's the difference the difference in my opinion in tennessee right now is a great example the reason that they're having success right now and it's not just an average year isn't because they have better players than everybody it's because they have good enough players that believe and Josh heipel has made them believe that they're better than what they are and they are taking on the head coach's personality. And it's amazing when you see teams have success, 99% of the time, that team operates like that head coach does. Preach, brother. And that's when you know you have something great. Speaking about something great, it's Veterans Day. Let's get Joey Jones in here. Fox Nation host. Always love getting our veterans on. Joey, I appreciate you hopping on, man. There he is. There he is

right there. Yeah, thank you guys for having me. Yeah, definitely. I'm loving the Georgia shirt, too. And I want to get into your dogs. I want to get into your dogs, Joey, because they're having a pretty good year. But I want to start out, obviously, this is a very special day. And you made the decision to, you know, make sacrifices for us. Number one, thank you. I appreciate that. Everybody here, I know our audience does as well really appreciates it. What does Veterans Day mean to you, a guy that's been in it? What does this day mean to you? Yeah, you know, it means something different every year because my life's in a different place, but ultimately I'm a veteran. And it means something to me they got to serve this country. I think what I would like Veterans Day to mean to people

out there is it should be a reminder at how small this big country can be. Because we have these veterans celebrations in every community at VFWs and American Legions. We have an opportunity as a community to say thank you to the men and women that left home, went and served and came back. And I love how Veterans Day is one of those last holidays that can remind us. It's okay to be a big fish and a small pond in our little town or community. No doubt. And you know, too, when I, when I I think about this day and I've had people. My grandfather served in the Navy and, you know, we've, we've had people in my family in the Army. Joey, your story is one that's very interesting. If you don't mind, just kind of give us a summary of what you did in your service and how it's

affected you now because obviously you're having a ton of success. And I'm happy for you. Well, I appreciate it. Yeah, absolutely. It's so for me, I joined out of Dalton, Georgia. That's where I'm at right now. I'm going to come home today. And I'm actually sitting in a, in a public service building right now. That's how much this community really just love. loves me and they invited me in to do a little Skype here today. But I joined out at Dalton, Georgia. My dad was a brick and block mason. I was like, you know what?

I need to get away from that kind of hard work and at least wear a pretty uniform if I'm going to work that hard. Went to the Marine Corps. And in 2010, on my second deployment, I was working as a bond tech and if you could see my legs right now, I'd make the joke. Obviously, it wasn't that good at it because I stepped on one and it took my legs away. you know, and so I ended up losing my legs above the knee on both sides. And to use the worst pun in the world, after that I hit the ground running.

There you go. You wrapped their arms around me. They took care of me. And it's been fun to become someone in media ever since. For sure. And I'm going to get to the sports. We're going to get to Georgia because I know you're an avid follower of me and you have talked on social media, keeping up with the dogs.

And I'm going to ask you if you're Team Stets and our Team JT, Joey. So get ready. We got like a twilight, you know, well, situation going on over here. But to me, to me, when I look at sports in general, I think it's one of the few things, especially in society today, it doesn't matter what you believe, either side of the aisle, whatever, it brings us together. You know, if I'm in a stadium watching my team play and they score a touchdown and there's a random person or random family next to me, I don't know who they voted for. I don't care. But we're hugging, we're laughing, we're high-fiving,

we're enjoying that together. And I feel like sports is one of the last arenas that we have that pulls us all in the same direction. Would you agree? No, absolutely. Listen, I say this all the time. America is the greatest country in the world, but it's not because of our military or our economy or even our system of government. It's great because everybody looks different and sounds different. We eat different food. We pray different prayers. But on Saturday and Sunday or on playoff week, we have these little things in our communities and culture that bring us together and say, you know what, man, let's do this together. And it may be taking care of somebody that got hurt,

It may be helping a family rebuild their home. It may be building these amazing, you know, public works we've done like the Hoover Dam. But we come together and we built this country together and then we take a weekend and we go have fun and we enjoy our team. When you join the military, you're a Georgia bulldog because you're the one guy in that platoon that talks the way I do. And so like it all becomes a part of it. And your college football team if you're from the south or your professional football team or your baseball team if you're from the rest of the country that has those things going as big as the college football is down here. And it's really neat to kind of beat that guy in your platoon in the military that where's the Georgia surger, has the Georgia tag.

And I think in our country, you know, what we have to do, not to get into politics, what we have to do is understand that team sports is where you make excuses for your quarterback. Politics isn't. Team sports is where you get so passionate that even though you know it's a bad idea you've supported. politics isn't. We have to take the team sports out of politics and keep it with our college football and our baseball and our NFL and keep our passion on things that we believe in, no matter what, needs to stay. We have a place for that and that sports and we love it. That's exactly right. And I just think it's a great culmination of everybody coming together.

You know, it doesn't matter what you look like, white, black, blue, green, red, yellow. If your team scores, man, we're hype. Let's go. The ball goes in the basket. Football goes in the end zone. We're hype. And we all are on the same team. We really are. But Joey, speaking of teams, you know, me and your Braves won the World Series, you know, chop on forever. Sorry about that, Dodgers. Sorry about that Houston. Yes, you do have a problem. But Joey, looking at Georgia right now, how are you feeling overall? How are you feeling overall? I know as a Georgia fans, a lot of Georgia fans don't want to get and talk about championships right now. They just want to kind of get through the regular season, get there. What is Joey Jones overall feeling of the 2021 Georgia Bulldogs? Well, first of all, I had to submit a new VA claim because my elbow is really hurting from all that chopping I got to do. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. Yeah, I need to VA to pony you up on some tennis elbow from chopping.

Listen, you know, we've done what we've done so far with absolutely dominant and elite defense, but with an offense that, you know, Ladd McConkey's from this town I'm sitting in right now. And we all thought he was going to be a walk on, much less the star receiver in this offense. And so I think it's culture. really do. And that's the part we were probably missing in 2017, because Kirby hadn't been there long enough to develop every player in the style and manner and personality you wanted. And when you see some of these game day interviews that they do, and they've got three of our defensive stars, and they're all talking about how much they want the other two to succeed, that's that missing link. That's that one

little element in the soup that makes it fantastic on top of, you know, five-star athletes and good coordinators. It just comes down to individual effort. And I think that's the part they have. So I don't get too up in arms about this, this player's out, that player's out. I think Aaron Smith had injury today that took him out. Yeah, I hate it for him. Those things are going to happen. And I don't care who the quarterback is either. Am I, in my team J.T. or team Stetson? I'm team Georgia, man. I love that answer. I feel like that team is going to get it done. That's exactly. I love that answer. But it is cool, Joe, you speak about Ladd-McConkey, kind of an underdog.

You know, Bennett McConkey, I would have told you was a law firm in Athens. It wasn't going to be the best connection that they had offensively. But it is a cool story watching a guy like Stetson Bennett that was running with the threes. That isn't your prototypical 6-4-200-pound guy that runs 4-5-4-6. It's funny watching him. I can only imagine in practice watching Jordan Davis and Carter and all those guys. They can't hit them, but just how much bigger they are than he is in practice. And Stetson, I'll probably tell you, you know, you go against the best defense every day in practice and make Saturday easy. But it's got to be a cool story, Joey. We always love an underdog story. Yeah, you know, it's really great that his family, both his parents with the Georgia,

but he wasn't the, you know, he wasn't the anointed alumni coming in from his parents. He's just a guy that had a chance to walk on. And Kirby brought him back after he felt, you know, the cool story about Stetson is he's really, he's in the form of Jake Fromm, but more mobile. And so if we didn't have Jake Fromm, would Stetson even have an opportunity? Or would, or do we compare the two enough to say, hey, Stetson's putting up, a J-Prom effort, and that pretty much was enough to win a national championship. A few other weaklings, not adjusting at halftime for a different quarterback that probably

is long we didn't win it in 2017. So I think people are a little bit too, I mean, if you're sitting here worried about your super senior quarterback who's got great numbers, like that's your problem, then I think you're all right. So I think if Stets and Bennett ends up being the guy, that's not a concern for me. I'm just excited that JT might bring something different to the table and have an opportunity to do it, but I'm not worried if Stets and Bennett takes this team on the way through.

Definitely, and it's going to be fun to watch them, and it's fun to watch those guys play. They play connected, they play together, and they got elite players, and that's the recipe for success. Speaking of recipe for success, Joey, we've got to get you back on. Brother, I do want to tell you, thank you again so much for your service. For me, Cohn, Blaine, the booster club, everybody. Couldn't say thank you enough.

Let's get you back on again. If the Bulldogs go to the Natty, we've got to get you back on Natty Week, man. Hey, I'd love to do it. And, you know, to everybody out there, regardless if you're a Bulldogs, man or not, this is a fun college football year. Enjoy it, and it's a part of what makes this country great. Definitely. Well, Joey, I appreciate it, buddy.

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That was one of my most fun. What a cool day. list of greatest. Do you know how much guts you have to be a, be a bomb tech? What? Wow. I always watch the movies, you know, when they're like diffusing the bomb at the end and they're like, find out which wire to cut. It makes me nervous.

Like, I can't even watch the movies. Yeah. No, I'd be like, send the robot in. Yeah. Like, give me the remote control. We'll send the robot in. We'll figure this out. But no, just great stuff there from Joey. And you can see, though, and that's something we talked about during the summer.

Sports should bring us together. You know, sports is something that brings us together and you can kind of put away what side this, that, and the other, in Veterans Day, you know, to me, I just hope everybody, if you get a chance to thank a veteran out there, because again, you know, being able to do this and me being able to come up here and drive to this beautiful College Football Hall of Fame and do this show and then go back home and be able to go eat and stuff like that, that's something we can't take for granted and we're very lucky. And it's because of those people that decided to come together and people before them that decided to come together to give us this opportunity. Whatever side of the

aisle you're on, there is no argument when it comes to thanking our veterans and they deserve our very best. For sure. And we thank Joey Jones a lot. What's the Booster Club saying? Well, we do have a $4.99 donation. Hit that button. Oh, yeah. Josh Corbett says hashtag ASJ, boy, what's your take on the Auburn versus Mississippi State game? Well, we're going to dive into Keys to Victory tomorrow. But when I look at this game and I've gone back and forth on how I see it kind of going,

Mississippi State's defense is a little underrated to me. I don't think you're going to see Auburn run through Mississippi State's defense like they did Ole Misses early. I think Auburn's going to have to go to the past game a little bit more than what they did against Ole Miss, even though we saw Ole Miss kind of crunch after halftime and make Auburn have to find different ways. The question to me is Auburn defensively because here's the problem you run into with Mike Leach and that air raid. Mike Leach, when he knows he's overmanned up front and Lane Kiffin can do the same thing at Ole Miss. There's multiple coaches and multiple systems where this works is they start just spitting the quick game at you. So if you pressure, it's not just throwing the hot, but they're going to throw the quick game and get their five yards and make you tackling space.

To me, it's how is Derek Mason going to play for? first down. Are you going to say that's fine? Get in second six and we'll play it out. Because Mike Leach with the air raid and he makes changes and they evolve a little bit over time, but it's a lot of the same base stuff. You're going to get high, low op, which is where you get the drag. Think about it like three by one. That's what we called high low op. You get your dragger. Number three is dragging. Number two runs that dig. Number one runs the post because you're trying to get that safety to bite down and hit the post over the top. Your throwaway is underneath on the drag and Mike Leach does a really good job of motioning to find out if you're in man or

you're in zone. Here's the thing. We watched Mississippi State torch LSU two years ago when they stayed in man. To me, you've got to mix it up. You know what the base plays are for Mississippi State, but they build off of that. The option routes are built off of that. You have got to do a good job if you're Derek Mason or any DC that's playing Mississippi State mixing up coverage enough to where they're not able to go to the modified runs in the quick game all the time. Will Rogers doesn't always have an out. You have to take Will Rogers outs away to short underneath throws, and he's good enough to beat you deep, but Will Rogers is also a gunslinger. We saw it against Bama, we've seen it multiple times. He is not afraid to put the ball in harm's way, intermediate,

and down the field, and that's where you got to catch him. Would not be surprised to see Auburn get a couple turnovers, but be paying attention. How much does Derek Mason pressure, how much zone are you seeing, and how much man are you seeing? And I think you're going to see a blend of all three, maybe in a little more diverse than what we've even seen. Or do you play the three down and umbrella everything. It's when you're playing an air raid style or this style, there's a lot of different answers, but you have to be able to react to what you're getting

because Mike Leach teams go like this. You never know what you're going to get. Is it going to be the Mississippi State team that lost to Memphis or the Mississippi State team that beat Texas A&M? You just don't know, and that's scarier than anything. Yeah, I got a question here from Hunter. Worley, could you see Josh Hypole maybe for one of these openings coming up for a big job? No, Josh Hyple is, look, it's a great fit at Tennessee.

I know he's enjoying it. I know the staff's enjoying it. There's a great feel between the fan base and that coaching staff. To me, Tennessee seems more connected as a fan base administration and coaching staff right now than I've seen them in a long time. Jeremy Pruitt recruited well and that was great, but they always looked uptight. It always looked like everybody at Tennessee wasn't jiving in the same direction or vibing in the same direction, whatever, you know, verb adjective, whatever you want to use to describe it. They seem together now. Tennessee seems together.

And when that happens, Josh Heipel, don't be shocked if you see a little more money come his way at the end of this season. Because they have hope. What did I say in my monologue the other day about Tennessee? Josh Heipel has given Tennessee fans something that they haven't had that Nebraska fans are searching for. Genuine hope. Not just hope because I love this team. Hope because I'm watching it and I'm seeing you get better. I'm not seeing off-to-field problems, which was a problem when Hypo got there.

If you look at the Dylan Brooks recruitment, all this other stuff that went on, they look to me like they have given Tennessee's fan base actual hope and an actual sense of genuine pride. Not that they weren't proud of Tennessee, but they're proud of the way Tennessee is right now. And that is what we call a perfect marriage. And those don't really exist anymore. So you've got to grab onto them and hold them when you get them. And honestly, Tennessee's the type of place where if you do it right, there shouldn't be a whole lot of other places that would be a move up. Tennessee hat look, right?

Like you could build something special there. And Tennessee's geography and Nebraska's geography is a big deal when you're comparing. both of those teams. Because you can say, oh, well, Tennessee is, you know, a brand and flavor of the past. Well, I think there's a whole heck of a lot of a chance for Tennessee to get better, which means getting better players quicker than Nebraska can with Retherette. It's just what it is. It's geography.

I didn't make the map. I didn't make the water. That's just how it worked. And the growth from head and hookers has been absolutely. Oh, well, that's got Josh Heiple written all over it, written all over it. Because in-season growth, in-season growth isn't easy. Yeah. It's not easy to go look totally different than you did earlier against high-level competition.

You are learning on the fly. You are building the parachute on the way down, even with a redshirt senior in Hendon Hooker, who's seen a lot. He looks 10 times better than he ever looked at Virginia Tech and 20 times better than he looked when they had to put him in for Joe Milton earlier. And that is coaching. That's coaching 100%. I got a question from Grant Brown.

You knew at some point you were going to get asked this. He said, all right, hashtag Ash J boy. rumor has this. Lincoln Riley's flirting with LSU. What do you think? I, you know, I'm not shocked a lot of times in this profession or looking at the landscape of college football. I would genuinely be shocked if it was Lincoln Riley for multiple reasons. He's got it rolling it at Oklahoma. He's almost got a monopoly right now at Oklahoma. Look at the way that Texas is right now. You can say Texas A&M and this and another, and they're moving to the SEC. I don't understand that move.

It's not like Oklahoma isn't a bluebud or hasn't gotten to the playoffs. They just haven't done anything when they've gotten there, their own five. So when I'm looking at saying, oh, Lincoln Riley would go to LSU, the question is, why? Why? Why go to a place where the last three head coaches have already won national championships when you're trying to break through something at your place that hasn't happened since Josh Heipel? So to me, well, I think it's fun and we can look at where planes are flying and, oh, they're in Norman and this, that, and the other. If Lincoln Riley went to LSU, I would genuinely be shocked.

But in today's college football world, with Jimmy Sexton and the boys running it, you never know. Could this just be a leverage play from Lincoln Riley? I would guess it would be. You know, Nick Saban was out. Because again, remember, Lincoln Riley still almost having to apologize for the way Oklahoma is playing, and there are 8-0. So to me, this is Lincoln Riley going, hey, you remember when y'all were, you know, saying that, you know, maybe we're not that good. And I don't believe they're that good. But he just like, we're 8-0 now, and LSU just called.

It's kind of like, you know, well, you know, my ex-girl just called. or something like that. You know, to me, it's him looking back and saying, they still want me as bad as they ever have. Well, if you ever wanted to segue to punt and go, based off what I've set up, now would be that time. Let's go. Okay.

Or punt. You tell me the question. Baylor will end Oklahoma's playoff hopes this weekend. Please continue on with what you were saying. This is a go-for cone. Look, my spotty senses are tingling on this one. Baylor coming off a loss. Baylor has the players that can run with Oklahoma for,

four quarters. If bow-handed at quarterback's hot, they can score a lot of points. But I think Dave A Randa, who is brilliant defensively, a brilliant defensive mind, will have a great plan for Caleb Williams, a young quarterback that is going on the road with a ton of expectations. And this is a team in Oklahoma that has played up or down to their competition. We saw him struggle with Kansas. Then we saw the barrage in the second half against Texas. I mean, to me, Oklahoma is about as Jekyll and Hyde as it gets, which Oklahoma team is going to show up. Is a serious Oklahoma team going to show up? Are they going to say, well, it's still Baylor and we're still Oklahoma?

And if they do that, Baylor will win. So in my opinion, go, go, go. He's going for it. Wow. Okay. All right, next one. Jim Mora, okay, will make Yukon relevant again. I think we have to define relevant.

I would say go because Jim Moore, the cachet that he brings, the knowledge that he brings, the staff he will be able to hire, and the way that he should be able to recruit with his resume and experience. But again, I mean, they can't be able to. any worse. I mean, it can't be any worse than what they've been. To me, relevancy is UCon going to a bowl game now. That's the way I look at it. If we're going to say that's relevancy, then hell yeah, go, go, go. But it's not going to be as bad as what we've seen because they are at the lowest of lows. And I do want to give a shout out to Dave Benedict, the AD at

Yukon, who's one of the best athletic directors in the country for going out and getting Jim Mora. And some people that will complain about this hire say, oh, well, you know, this and the other, you had two ways to go on this hire. Jim Mora, to me, is probably the only big name splash that you could have made. You had that line of thinking with the more traditional offensive style, knowing the staff he's going to bring it, or you say, listen, we've got to go to the other end of the spectrum. Triple option?

You know, do you go up-tempo, not crazy offense, but warp speed like Tennessee? You had two ends of the spectrum to choose from, and I do think they made the right choice. Okay. Because the thing about it is, and I'll always go back to this, it's about players. And I think Jim Mora can get good enough players to Yukon to get them to a bowl. Yeah, so I'll go on that.

All right, getting back to the Tennessee talk here. Tennessee will cover the spread against Georgia this weekend. Go, I had it at 20 and a half. What is it now, Blaine? It's still 20. It's still 20. I think they do. Now, I don't think they win this game, but I think Tennessee will be able to take advantage a tad of Georgia's defense, especially now.

You know, Tykees Smith's out. Adam Anderson is out. And that offense is tough. You can play really good against that offense and give up 21, 28 points. It's just how it is. My question for Tennessee is not. even the offense to defense matchup, and I love it, and it's cool, and it's different ideologies clashing at once. To me is, can Tennessee's defense stop the run? Can Tennessee say, all right,

Stetson Bennett's, beat us? If Stets and Bennett's going to beat us, now Ania Smith is out, your speedster, then so be it. And what you'll see in this game is Tennessee will come out and throw punches. I don't think you see Georgia come out and jump up 14 to nothing. I wouldn't be shocked if Tennessee got up 7 to nothing. If they took the ball, bang, bang, bang, bang, and Georgia, because you've got to get used to it. Even though you work on it, you scheme for it, you know what's coming. The coaches are talking about, don't celebrate after the play. You've got to get lined up.

We can't just stay in base the whole game. And I know Dan Lannning, the D.C. at Georgia knows that. But the question is, how long can Tennessee hold up against the run with James Cook and Kendall Milton and McIntosh and Zeus White? How long can that defense hold up and will they let gravity take over once you get from the second or third quarter? But a huge question, a huge question. a huge question that has to be asked

is how will Georgia respond if Tennessee gets up? What if Tennessee's up halfway through the second quarter? What if it's 2114 or 1714? What if it gets to a point in the second half where you got some game pressure on Georgia? Because think about it. Georgia hasn't had true game pressure since Clemson. What second half is Georgia had to hold on to?

Or you said, oh man, they may lose this one. not one of them not one of them they were only going to be up three to nothing against Florida going in the halftime before Florida post Malone didn't fell apart so to me when you you got to put game pressure on them and we're going to see and you know what for Georgia it's probably the best thing that could happen to them if they get some game pressure put on and this game is at Tennessee yeah this game is I'm telling you like I'm more interested in this game than a lot of games I'm going to see Stetson Bennett under pressure and I'm going to see what kind of team Georgia is if they do have to come back in a football game. That's a big question. So I'm going to go on that.

All right. Here's what the people want to know. Okay. The Purdue spoiler makers will show up again at Ohio State this weekend. Hey, punt alert, pun alert, punt alert. Let's get punt ready. I think Ohio State may beat him by 30. I think this is the, hey, Purdue's beat two top 10 teams at home. Iowa, when they were number two, kind of looking, you know, coming back down to earth a little bit, but it's a win. Then the way they played against me, Michigan State. But there's a key to those wins. They were at home. Going on the road, going to Columbus at a place where Ohio State's already lost at home once. Was the Iowa game at the Iowa game was at home? It was at home, wasn't it? Check that again. Double check me, though. But I know the second one was it. To me, I think Purdue is a different team on the road.

I think Ohio State knows what Purdue has done to top 10 teams. Ryan Day is bashing that in their head all week. Purdue is a ranked team. And this is finally a chance. for Ohio State against a team that is ranked, that is relevant, that has shown their worth their salt, to literally defend your home turf to make a statement. And we're talking about Ohio State or Michigan State or Michigan and who's going to be in the playoff and this, that and the other. Well, you know one good way to silence the committee?

Start beating the hell out of folks. Not only that, start beating the hell out of folks that got numbers in front of their team names like Purdue that are ranked. So they beat Iowa at Iowa. That was at Iowa. That was at Iowa. But still to me, Iowa, to me, The Iowa win is not nearly as good as the Michigan State win.

I don't think it's in the same realm. But going to Iowa, I know it's a good atmosphere, and playing the roster that they had is a lot different than going to Columbus and playing the roster that Ohio State has out wide. Because Ohio State has one thing that a lot of teams in the Big Ten don't have, and that's elite speed. Elite speed. And I still think Purdue was Ohio State's last regular season of Big Ten lost.

With Ron Dale Moore, I swear. Years ago. Ron Del Moore iced Ohio State up. Yeah. Like I think I remember. He didn't get enough credit. He was doing witchy thing. They'll get up for it, man.

He was the team. All right. He was the team. Last one here. All right. I grew up not far from Tallahassee. This was one of the biggest college football games all season. The Miami Florida State rivalry still matters, Jake.

Punter go. See, hold on. Hey, let's punt. Pun, pun. Red red red red. Right now it doesn't. Yeah. It doesn't matter.

It does outside of Miami fans of 40. And you know what? It is sad. It's sad for college football. So is Ohio State. dominating Michigan. So are some of these other rivalries we have that are so lopsided, because I'm a college football purist.

We talk about this all the time. I want every big rivalry to be good. I want there to be parity in big robberies. I want FSU and Miami to matter for the ACC. That hasn't mattered in a while. The only thing we've talked about in the ACC that mattered is, all right, is how bad is is Clemson going to beat everybody? Or when is Clemson going to lose to pit, like they typically do?

So when I look at FSU and Miami, not that the game isn't important to the people. people there. Not that there's not great tradition in that game, but in the grand scheme of college football right now, who the hell cares? Who? I mean, Mandy Diaz is having to fight for his life. FSU lost to Jacksonville State. They're not relevant right now, and it's not good for college football, but I'm not going to sit here and sniff the thone of the Miami-FSU rivalry like it's up there with any of the other rivalries right now. It's not, and it's bad for college football, and I hope they get it together. I hope Manny Diaz turns it around. Norville still needs more time.

Yeah. Still needs more time. And I think he's going to get FSU right before it's said and done. But right now, no, it doesn't. It's irrelevant. Hey, facts, I don't care about your feelings. That's exactly right. They don't, man.

All right, so we can do one or two things here, man. We can go to, we can get to the Wickel's Pickle of the Week. Let's do that. Let's do that. Wickers pickle of the week. First off, shut out Wickel's Pickles. If you've never eaten a Wickel, Wickel's pickle, what planet are you from and how long have you been here?

And please stop lying to us that you're a human being. But, but, but, if you've, you do fall in that category. Like Blaine said yesterday, go into your parents' room, lift up the mattress, grab $20, and you go to the grocery store, and you get a can of Wickel's Pickles or you get a can of Wickels Okra. The Okra to me, and they sent us the care package last night. Look at the shirt Blaine's wearing.

Dude, the box, I could barely bring in the house. They gave us pickled garlic. They gave us pickled garlic. I didn't even know that existed. The garlic is, like, they keep coming out with better stuff, and I don't think it's going to all. Y'all don't hoard that, though. I love, I love.

Well, you know, we can share it around. We'll bring some. We'll put that out over this weekend. Check it out. But the great part that I love about the care package they gave me gave us, we got the Wickels Pickles. We got the Wickels, Okra. They have Dill Okra too. I mean, they're just starting to roll out things like left and right.

I'm wondering if there's a secret menu. But I really appreciate them giving us great pickled garlic, but it also protects us from vampires. So not only does Wickels give you a great food product. No longer do I have to go to sleep at night wondering if vampires coming through that front door. Because every night before I go to sleep, I pray. that no vampires show up at the house. And then you wake up thinking about the pickle of that week. That's exactly right.

Which is what this week. We just keep a jar of garlic wickled garlic in everywhere. We keep candles and jars of wickles garlic surrounding me in a circle. And it's worked ever since. So I'm really excited about that. But anyway, here's the wickles pickle the week. So we always go over a situation, you know, really football junkie situation where you got to make a decision.

And boy, we got a good one for you. Backed up punning. let's just talk about it for a second. Say guys are backed up. We have to understand what backed up is. We saw it last night. We saw it last night. The question for a special teams coach,

if you are backed up when you're punting, do you go after it or do you set up the return? And here's my play on it because it's going back and forth. Defined backed up too. All right, so there's two different types of backed up. There is backed up enough where you have to tighten everybody because you don't have enough depth for the punter to go back without being out of the back in the end zone.

We used to call it tight, tight, tight. So we called tight punt. Nobody's wide. anything like that, we're going to bring everybody in, we're going to gap it out, punter's going to one-step it. All right, now you worry about coverage because you don't have guys that are wide. It's obviously a lot easier to block somebody when they're in tight than they are wide. The other type of backed up is when you're still backed up, but you're not backed up enough to a point where you have to bring everybody in because the punter still has room.

All right, whether you're running the shield punt, where the heels are at 15, whether you're running a pro style, where you're hitting the ball at 12 yards typically pass where it was snapped. We have different depths for punters, but they're all within the same three yard to four yard, maybe even five yard in some instances realm. I'm not talking about the backed up where you don't have to bring them in. That's not what I'm talking about because you have to handle that the way you handle a punt where it's not technically backed up. But when you're backed up enough where they have to change their formation, regardless of what scheme they run and bring all the punt team in tight, to me, to me, I love setting up the return. A lot of people like, why, go block it. It's a shorter distance.

Here's the problem. It may be a shorter distance, but the punter's taking one step and punting it. He's not going through his normal two-step and hit punt. He's not doing that. So you're negating the time, all right, from the shorter distance because he's taking shorter steps and getting the ball off quicker. I wanted to set up the return because if he's going to one-step it, they're not going to boom it 70 yards off a one-step.

And typically, they're lower and their line drives, which is perfect, which is perfect for a returner. So I wanted to squish everybody down because it's a lot easier. and set up the return and get great field position. Now, now, here's what you have to do, though, as a special teams coach. Even though they go tight, I don't want them to know that I'm setting up the return. Because if they're looking at me and here's how the reed works, if I'm on the punt team and I'm trying to decipher whether my man is coming or going,

there's two things you look at. First thing I look at is feet. Are your feet even or are they staggered? If your feet are even, you're not coming after it. And that's kind of the secondary thing you look at. main thing that will tell you is eyes. Think about it. If I'm on the punt team and I'm ready to block somebody and I'm looking at the guy that I'm supposed to block or looking at the man that's in the zone or the gap that I'm supposed to block. And he is looking at me, he's coming to block

me. Because if he's going to block the punt, he's not looking at the ball so he doesn't care about his jump. But on the other hand, if he's periffing the ball and I'm looking at his feet and his feet are staggered, he's coming. You're telling me what you're doing. The trick is, as the special teams coach, you've got to make the return look like the block. You have to have your guys trained up enough where you can have your eyes inside and you always want their feet staggered. You never want their feet even. The only time you really see that is out wide on gunners.

I've seen some people do it when blocking for tight punt, but I never recommend it because my feet are always the same. You never know what I'm doing. It's the eyes. That's the thing. You got to have your guys be able to look in and be able to get off the ball and block their guy. Because if I know that I'm having to block you because you're coming to rush the punt, I'm not

worried about getting out in coverage. We teach our guy. We taught our guys all the time. If I'm on the punt team and I'm protecting and I'm looking at the guy that's coming and he's looking at the ball or he's looking at me, change it. If he's looking at me, why would I protect? Just go. Like when we ran spread punt, shield punt.

I'm telling my guy's guard, tackle end. Listen, if the guy you're supposed to block, you can tell he's going to hold you up, just go. Just take off. So let me ask you a question here, right? And far be it for me to argue with a special teams coach. People literally paid you money to do this. But I think last night we saw in the Toledo Bowling Green game maybe.

I think Bowling Green was down. Toledo was punting from their one-yard line. So the punters, you know, just his heels are on the end line. One step, can step back. So my thing is, like you're saying, if it's going to be a one-step punt anyway, and he's not going to boom at 70 yards, you're likely going to get good field position even if you don't get the block, right? So why not take that opportunity to really go after one

and see if you can get the block when you have. your shortest distance to the punter that you might see all game and if you miss you'll most likely still end up with good field position well and and too again i'm not saying either way is wrong what what i'm saying because every circumstance is different i mean you may have because again as a special team's guy when i'm scouting you i'm not just looking at kick return i'm not just looking at what punt returns you have i'm going to know how long it takes that punter to get that ball off How long that snap is and how long it takes for that punter to get the ball off. Not just normal punts, but backed up because most likely you are going to have to show me your backed up formation.

In our scouting report, I would put all the formations on the main page. Then we'd have the alternate ones and the fakes drawn up with who did what underneath that so they know. So if I felt like the punter or the snap was a little bit longer than normal, your normal ops time, then yes, I would probably go after. If I thought something was structurally wrong or the way that you talk. it I could take advantage of, that's a different story. But if I'm saying everything is even in you're well-coached and your punters well-coached and your snappers well-coached and you guys are well-coached, I would rather take the chance of us returning it inside the 25 than going after the block, not blocking it, letting them release

three guys into coverage. Because most of the time when you call a block, you know what you tell that returning to do? You fair catch it. Yeah. Why would you ever return? Because you have half-block, half returns. whenever we'd face a pro-style team with the guard, tackle, wing, P, P, two gunners wide, we'd have return, half go after it almost every time, a decent amount,

because a lot of times in that, when you're going after it, they're having to ride the lightning, which takes them out of coverage. That's how people started going spreadpunt. But to me, in aggregate, totally, if everything's even and you're doing something structurally right and you're able to get the ball off at the right time, I want that return to give the offensive ball closer, and I don't have to worry about roughing the punter. And I want everybody to understand this. We talk about winning the water cooler, right?

The difference between roughing and running into the kicker. Running into the kicker is a five-yard penalty. Ruffing the kicker is a 15-yard penalty in automatic first down. You say, okay, what's the difference? Right-footed punter. Here's the difference. For really, both foot, it doesn't matter. For a roughing the kicker, you would have to blast him or you take out his plant leg

because that plant leg is what you can ruin if you hit it. Because, again, it's planted in the ground. You don't have to be Dr. Oz to figure out. out if I hit something planning in the ground, there's going to be bad stuff. It's like bracing for a car wreck. But if you hit the leg that's swinging, you see it all the time and you make contact with that, that is a five-yard penalty. There is a massive difference to that.

There is a massive difference to that. I just want everybody to understand the difference between running into the kicker and roughing the kicker. But again, there's two different ways to look at it. I would just set up the return if everything structurally sound. And that, my friends, that, hold on. Oh, yeah, is the wickles. pickle the week.

I don't know of another show where you can find a segment like that, buddy. I don't either. That's top match football. They need to pass it better. How did it feel to win the game? Yeah. We're talking about feed on special teams. How excited are you for Saturday?

It's like, no, I'm really not excited. Actually, I'm kind of pissed about it, honestly. You elitist. But anyways, all right. We kid them. Yep, let's get to Jordan Battle. Great interview with the Alabama D.B. excited to get him in here.

Jordan? All right, we have Alabama Starting Safety. DB Extraordinary. Jordan Battle joins us as he does every week coming off a 2014 win over the LSU fighting Tigers. Jordan, what's up, man?

What's up, man? How's up, man? I'm doing good. How you feeling coming off the dub? Defense showed up, man, gave up 14. I saw you running around doing your thing and you played a pretty damn good game, my friend. Yeah, I'm feeling pretty good.

I'm happy we came along. We got the stop. that we needed and crucial times and we stepped up big time and I'm just proud of the defense and the effort we gave and the whole team really you know I watched that play first play to the last play and I know you guys playing some physical games already but that game to me look a little extra physical it seems when Alabama and LSU meet up it's not it's not a hold hands and let's kumbaya it's more like a back room brawl yeah for sure you know we remember what we're doing November.

And LSU is one of our toughest rivals. And that game goes down in history. And that's the game we talk about forever. So we know we just got to come out throwing every punch we got. Was there maybe a little revenge factor from 2019? I mean, again, you always, you always remember, you know, Jordan. You always remember. And, you know, LSU with that 2019 team, it seemed to me like while it was a close game,

and I know you guys are all about faceless opponent in the process and this, that, and the other. But you're a competitor, man. I know. Was there a little bit some in the back of y'all's minds about that? Maybe just a little bit, just a little inkling? Oh, yeah, of course, just a little bit because, you know, the last time we played on the field, what happened after and what happened during the game.

So, of course, that was something, you know, to recover from and obviously come out and get the dub on our home field this time instead of there. So obviously, yeah, it was in the back of our minds during the game. It seemed to me, too, and it's funny, know, I do that podcast with Bryce every week, and I was talking with him, and he was talking about how LSU basically did something totally different defensively to them, to you guys offensively than I had the whole year. I watched LSU offensively. It didn't seem like it was too much new, but they had a couple wrinkles in there that I haven't seen them run all season.

Am I correct in saying that? Yeah, for sure. They didn't show Romeo formation. Explain to our audience what a Romeo formation is. Tell them what that means. know what you're saying. You know what you're saying. They don't know. They think that's Romeo and Juliet. What's Romeo formation?

Yeah, basically Romeo is when the receiver and the running back changed positions. So the running back goes out wide or lines up close. Lines up close as a close split receiver and the ride receiver goes to the backfield. And basically we had to match up. We were supposed to match up and we didn't match up. So that was just something. And that was just a new, a new punch that they threw at us. Was that on the touchdown?

Was that the touchdown play they ran? Yeah, okay. Yeah, the first touchdown play. Yeah. That was the first thing we didn't prepare for it. But that's something, you know, we could have did better on the R&M. But that was good on their part as well. What you learn from?

And you know as well as I do, Jordan, it's a lot better to learn from it after a win than after a loss. It's amazing how much more fun it is watching film after a win than a lot. loss. But, you know, Jordan, I want to talk about something, too, because I know you guys are really close on that team, but especially on the defensive side. Your boy, Will Anderson, is absolutely eating right now. Can you talk about how much help that is for you guys in the back end? Because the better they are up front, the better chances for not only you guys to keep people

off the board, but to get turnovers and turnovers for scores, which you've done. Yeah, he's developed very well. Ever since he came in, he was a dog. We all knew he was a dog. That's how he developed the name Terminator. Ooh. Yeah, he's been leading very well. He's been keeping the defense together, having player-only meeting.

And getting on us and us as a leadership group, we're behind him fully. He's going to be a great player, probably the number one pick next year in the draft. So, yeah, he's a great talent for us. Yeah, and a great dude I heard too. Great dude I heard as well. Alt the field. Hamis' business. But you know, too, Jordan, looking at the rest of the season, you guys are, you know, you control your own destiny.

And that's all you can ask at this point. You know, looking at the rest of the season, I know as a team you can always play better. What's been the messaging from the coaching staff this week coming off that close one against LSU as you make this push into the final run of the season? You know, as well as I do. You said it yourself. They remember November, especially the end of November. Yeah, man, the message is just, you know, stay ahead, you know, come in, stay focused. We know every game in November is going to be tough.

Just to stay on our P's and Q's, get in the film room, stay in the film room. So when we do see things that we don't see on film, we can just quick in the game. So just the main thing is focusing and, you know, buying into the process and, you know, finishing out the season on a positive note. definitely man well Jordan it's always good to have you on my friend congrats on the success good luck this weekend stay healthy and let's do it again next week what do you say yes sir my guy all right Jordan be good man keep balling out there I see you all right thank you love Jordan man that's fam right there I feel like we've interviewed these guys so much now like we could like you know them I know them like I know them like we talk more off

fair we do my god my guy that's becoming a thing I want everybody know I started then yeah you definitely started you definitely started you definitely They started the jerk my guy. Jordan, they got a big one this weekend. Hey, we got some donations. Yeah, we do. We have a $5 dono from Drew Disnukes, David Cohn. Double D in the house.

He says, let's say Bama, Oklahoma, Michigan are Michigan State, and Sinci wins out. With Georgia in the playoff with this scenario, who's the top four in this scenario? So I'm saying if Bama wins out, obviously they have to beat Georgia in the SEC championship. Look, look, if Georgia, once Georgia finishes out the regular season undefeated, in my opinion, they're automatically in. They can lose the SEC championship game and still be in. So they're in. They're in.

Bama, if they lose to Georgia, that is lost number two. Well, he's saying if they win out, so they'd have to win out. So if Bama wins out. And Georgia back-to-back weeks. So you're saying if Michigan and Michigan State and Censee went out. No, he's saying if Michigan or Michigan State. Michigan or Michigan State went out. And then all the rest of them, Sensee, Oklahoma, and Bama.

One thing that's not mentioned in there, there was Oregon. You know, what would happen with Oregon? Yeah, see, there's so many other moving parts. I look down four comments. He says, sorry, also add Oregon in that question. Well, now it gets complicated. See, this is, okay. I mean, that's, yeah.

If we're saying that Michigan or Michigan, let's just use Michigan State for an example, just so I don't want to dilute this argument. Michigan State wins out. Bama wins out. Since he wins out, Oregon wins out. And Oklahoma. And Oklahoma. Georgia's in.

Bama's in. That's two. They're putting George in. Bama in. They're going in. They're going in. They're not going to take Georgia out. So now it's a race for two.

Now it's a race for two. To me, this is almost a nightmare scenario for Cincinnati. Yeah. Because if we're debating a bunch of one loss teams, they're not getting in. We have to be debating two lost teams and then be undefeated for them to get in. So take Cincinnati out. I think what you'd end up seeing, if Michigan State wins out, and you can sub-Michigan in there if you're a Michigan fan, whatever.

You'd see Georgia. You'd see Bama. you would see, let's just say, Michigan State in this scenario, in my opinion, because that means they beat who cone. That means that they would beat Ohio State and they'd win the Big Ten Championship. That's exactly right. So now you'd have to last spot pick between Oklahoma and Oregon. Is that what you're saying? Yes, and if they have an undefeated Oklahoma and a one-loss Oregon, at least what the committee has shown us right now.

But we also have to take into account Oklahoma's strength of schedule is getting better as the season goes on. So I think their strength of schedule would overtake, Oregon. They would not leave an undefeated Oklahoma team out. You would have Bama, Georgia, Michigan State, Oklahoma, Cincinnati on the outside, Oregon on the outside, and whichever one of the two Michigan, Michigan State that didn't finish undefeated. I completely agree with you that an undefeated Oklahoma would overtake Oregon, but why are you saying a one-loss Oregon team would not make it instead of a one loss either Michigan State or Michigan? Because number one, neither one of them are Ohio State, so the head-to-head argument is out. And then you look at one loss and you look at

strength of schedule. And I think if you look at Michigan State or Michigan, if they both went out and win the Big Ten, to me, that carries a lot more weight than winning the PAC 12 when you're having to measure everything in aggregate. Now, the problem is you have Oregon at three. So if Oregon wins out, it's hard justifying moving them out of it. That's why, and I know we say these rankings are irrelevant, that's the one part of it that's really not. Which is why I'm saying that what I said yesterday is if they just came out with it afterwards, they wouldn't have this problem of thinking, well, We'll put them here now. Exactly.

But we think that they're going to do this. That's exactly right. One more question on that for the follow-up, because it is interesting, is if that were to happen, right, and Alabama goes and beats Georgia in the SEC championship, you'd almost certainly not have one of those teams be a one-seed and one of those teams be a four-seat, right? Because that would be a rematch automatically. They would put Bama 1 in Georgia 2. That's what they do.

I see. Okay. They put, you know, again. Or 3, yeah. It would matter at that point. But again, they got Bama at 2. So if Bama's at two and they beat number one, and that's number one, who just lost the number two, they're just going to flip-flop them because nobody else is undefeated outside of an Oklahoma, I guess, per se,

the question then becomes, if you really want to start asking questions, if Bama beats George in the SEC championship and they both have one loss and Oklahoma goes undefeated with the rest of their schedule, they may put Oklahoma one. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be shocked. But, okay, so in that scenario then, you'd have to have one of them be the two and one of them be the four. That's the problem.

you can't put Georgia Obama at four. You'd have to put Georgia Obama at three. That's why they won't do it. Because there's no way you'd see the rematch until the national championship. Look, either way, if Bama gets, if Bama beats Georgia and S.C. Championship, it's going to be one and two either way for Georgia Obama. I would lean Bama won Georgia 2 because of head-to-head. We've made that argument the whole time.

But there's no way in hell that they're going to have George and Bama play back-to-back. And I can almost guarantee you that scenario is not going to come to be. All of them going on. While we're on, while we're on, we have another $4.99 donation from Lawrence Higgins. Everybody run. What's up, Lauren? Lawrence, he says A&M wins out since we're on the target, and Bama drops one. A&M then beats Georgia in the conference championship.

I think this guy might be an A&M thing. And A&M has now beaten two number one teams and two other top 20 teams. Does A&M make the playoffs? You have to put them in. We made the same argument for Auburn. If Auburn ran the table and somehow Dr. Seuss their way around Georgia in the SCE championship game, you got to put them in. If A&M runs the table, look, if all this stuff happens for A&M, and you know what, I would almost feel happy for A&M because I think, and I know there was a good argument for Notre Dame last year, I think they got screwed last year. I think A&M was part of it. That was a big argument I had last year. I think if A&M played Notre Dame, they would have just shoved them in the locker and ran out of the high school. But no, I mean, look, A&M, it's all about opportunities late, right? If you're looking at A&M right now, they're playing an Ole Miss team that's ranked on the road, big opportunity. You're playing an LSU team.

team that's not ranked, which won't be an easy game. And then if Bama drops one, they lose to Auburn in the Iron Bowl, and you go beat number one Georgia, they've got to put you in. Right? I mean, they've got to put you in. How funny would it be if they're the first two-loss team to make it in? They would have beaten Bama and Georgia. Yeah.

They would have beaten Bama and Georgia. And you know what? That A&M matchup for Georgia, that's an interesting match. Those are the two best front sevens in college football. Now, it's Georgia one. Yeah. And it's A&M two. But I don't know what you're taking.

but I'm taking something that rhymes with the under. Yeah, I don't know how A&M scores points in that game. No, if you're not scoring against Auburn's defense, you may just give Georgia points. Yeah. Georgia just showed whether defense that probably win that game. We got a question here from Adam Swindell, hashtag you asked Jaybo. I like this. You were talking about, I believe, Tennessee who messes with a wide receiver splits and fine success.

What do your thoughts of messing with O-line splits? The little D3 hunting in college in the gum, does it? Well, look, there's a lot of changing in splits. the problem we don't want to get into is changing stuff enough where there's a huge tendency for it. Because the analytics and the scouting reports are so in depth. They're so in depth that the tendencies can be glaring if you don't know how to protect yourself. Now, you'll see people change splits even a little bit. The biggest thing that you see people do, and this is a bad tendency, and for you college football junkies out there, watch this.

We used to watch the tackles. And you would be, and really the offense line in general, outside of the center because his hand's got to be down every time. You would be amazed at how many times that teams, when tackles, especially as the game goes on when you get tired, get in a two-point stance when it's a pass as opposed to a three-point stance when it's a run. You would be shocked if I told you some of the splits, even at the highest level. I mean, I've seen offensive line coaches go nuts after the self-scout, week three and four.

Like 75, 80%. Anything over 70% might as well be 100%. But you will see teams change splits some, but you don't want to get in the habit of every time you changing a split, you're going to something. Because if you're changing the split, the defense knows you're changing the splits. Because if you're going to be multiple like that, you better be multiple across the board. We talked about running the same plays out of different formations, right? That's a way it being multiple. It's the same thing with splits.

And that's a great question. I got a question here from Razorback and Rockets Highlight Hill. He says, Jay Boy, love the show. He says Arkansas, LSU. Arkansas run game was great last week with Dominic Johnson. LSU kept it close with Bama. I'm not touching this game, but I think this is a huge one for Sam Pittman. I wonder, too, how LSU responds after getting up huge for Bama with not a lot of personnel and still losing.

Was that the backbreaker where LSU just says, all right, that's it, we give up, we say uncle. I say yes. Arkansas just became bowl eligible. You're seeing a little life get back into that program, not that it left, but they had lost a couple in a row. that was a huge win for Sam Pittman and them, and this is huge for recruiting. I know that Orgeron's not at LSU anymore, but if Arkansas can go into that recruits house, go into that living room and look at that mom and dad and grandma and grandpa, auntie, uncle, whatever, and say, hey, guess what?

Not only did we beat A&M, we beat LSU too, because they battle a lot. Arkansas, and you're going to start to see Arkansas get into these big recruiting battles. You're already seeing it a little bit, and Pittman's won a couple of them. But you're going to start seeing Arkansas creep up for some of these high high-high-level players just because Sam Pittman is that good at recruiting, and he's that genuine a person. And when that happens, all they need is that momentum just to keep rolling over because he's trying to turn it into what he saw at Georgia and what he's been around and seen when it worked,

and that's a machine. And at Arkansas, you can build a damn good machine. Yeah, I agree. We've got a question here from Mike. Hashtag Asked J-Boy. He says, for us, the stomping cits from coaches where attention getters in a great source of laughs. laughs when they discover who leaked the video of the Texas D.C. Bo Davis and they will,

does that player stay or go? If it's me, you're gone. There's some stuff. And listen, you can believe in using, you know, not cussing and stuff like that. And that's fine. You're entitled to that. But stuff like that happens. It happens.

That's not even close to the worst thing that was said that day, I promise you. Was the language colorful? Yes. But the situation called for it. And if you're a player that's going to leak that, I'll give you a hint. You're part of the problem. You're part of the problem.

This isn't a game for the week mentally. And I look on Twitter and I see, you know, the click baiters and the pillow criers like Dan woke in. Like all I heard was a bunch of F words. Man, I'd love to see you survive in a locker room for a week. You have no idea. You have no idea. There's stuff that gets said that stays within the team. Fights at practice?

fights at practice happened but you don't see people oh man you don't see players going oh we got in a fight today and i got hit and it was hurt this is part of the game and it's part of learning especially for the young guys and think about this these guys spend a ton of time getting ready for the games the coaches do too the coaches never see their families they're recruiting 24-7 for these moments you're at a place like texas and you're getting embarrassed not only for one game you've lost four games in a row four in a row and you're not playing up to the standard, and you're going to put a coach on blast for telling you what you needed to hear, that's half y'all's problem.

Maybe y'all need to be a little bit tougher. Maybe y'all need to be a little bit more about it. That to me, that to me was a microcosm of what Texas is right now. That's what Sark's got to change. Why do you think Bo Davis went off like that? You guys are playing like that, and I get on the bus, and I've got to go talk to all these recruits and explain to them why we suck. And you're laughing?

You're laughing? At some point, you got to get upset. He didn't put his hands on him. He didn't call anybody out individually. What he was saying was, if you think it's funny to lose with all the time we put it in a place like Texas, get in the portal. And you know what? You should. You should.

Because obviously it's not important enough to you. Because losing, it ought to hurt. It ought to hurt in places that you don't even want to talk about. about. This is what you chose. This is what you spend most of your time to do. And you want to laugh. You want to laugh? Get out. We'll go find another one that cares. Another guy that wants to be here that wants to live to the standard. Losing hurts more than winning feels good to the real ones. And if you don't like that, you can call your mom, you can call your dad, your stuff will be out in front the facility, you can come pick it up.

It's in high school. Sitting high school. And for the people out there that want to cry about it, man, I'm glad I don't have to depend on you to make a tackle or make a play. Soft. Because you won't. Man, that was gold. Soft, soft, soft.

That stuff upsets me. Yeah, it should. I know. It should. And if you're an older guy in that locker room, you got some business to handle. Yeah, and we're not talking about physically doing anything. It's you better get the young guys right. Or if it's an older guy, you better get him gone.

Because guess what? Culture is contagious. Culture is contagious. And seems to me there's a lot of selfish people on that Texas team, at least from what I'm seeing. Because just imagine, guys, just for a second, you signing are playing for the University of Texas. You are representing the University of Texas and you are embarrassing, getting embarrassed. Iowa State embarrassed you in front of everybody. Again, you blew it against Oklahoma in the second half.

you've blown multiple leads in the second half we've seen against Oklahoma State you don't have the guts to hang on to the wind but you want to laugh about it but it's funny to you you know who losing is funny to losers that's who losing is funny to yeah love we got a question here from CJ Franklin he says what's the difference between the shoot and run running gun the true air raid and the air raid variation like Lincoln Riley type Well, you know, Lincoln, Riley, and a lot of people like to use that air rate analogy, he's kind of gotten away. If you've watched Lincoln's progression, it's gotten more ground game based. I mean, Lincoln does a ton in gap scheme.

So if we're talking about, and we have to understand while these are words and these are terms, you know, we use spread offense. You know, triple option, that's a piece. That's self-delegating. We know what that means. But everybody's always evolving. But you always have base principles in what you do. You know, we hear West Coast, going under center, the boot, the waggle, stuff like that. like Albor just ran at Auburn in 2004.

Mike Leach runs true air raid principles. Yes. But he has add-ons to it. You know, now you add things like the back shoulder. Because we've got to understand the air raid was invented before people started throwing back shoulders and doing stuff like this. To me, what the air raid is is we are taking advantage of space in the short, intermediate, and quit game. And then over the top, in place of us running power and counter and this stuff all the time. So we hear run and shoot.

Well, what two words do you hear in that? Run and shoot. If you watch what Lane Kiffin does, to me, to me, it's a ton of run and shoot stuff, but they have unbelievable combinations, and they're not elementary in the passing game at all. So while you hear these terms, don't think that it locks a coach into something. It is a term that is talking about base principles and their philosophies that they build off of. So we can't call Lincoln Riley an air raid guy. You can't.

And what Lincoln Riley does up front on the offensive line? Oh, it's great stuff. The way their bang pulls is crazy. The influencing, they do an unbelievable job. And if you say, okay, Jake, what's influencing? Linebackers are taught, and a lot of defenders are taught. When somebody pulls, the play's going that way. Power, you know, I got one puller coming up to seal.

Counter, I got the two pullers. Trucks, you know, you got GT. You got trucks with the tight end pulling around and stuff like that. Lincoln Riley does an unbelievable job of influencing backers. That's why it always seems like everybody's always open over the middle when Oklahoma plays. Because those backers are flying. And it's kind of an in-between. It's almost like an RPO for the offensive line, if that makes sense.

Because you're pulling, like the power pass, you're pulling to influence the backers, but he's holding up in pass protection. You're just trying to get the flow here and you throw against the flow. That's how that works. That's why the power pass will always be a great play, especially if you can run the power effectively. That's what it's huge.

Great question, great football question there. Give me a couple more. We're going to wrap up. Okay, we got a question here from, yeah, we got picks as well. So we'll take this one to do picks. We got a question here from John Addison, hashtag I S. Jay Boy. How does Arkansas match up with Bama?

You know, offensively, we know what Arkansas is going to do. KJ. Jefferson, the runner, could give Bama some problems, but, you know, Will Anderson, that group up front, we know how talented they are. The matchup I want to see is Alabama's offense for set three down in Bariota. Is Bariotam going to say,

you're not beating us deep with Jamo? You're not beating us deep with METI. That's fine. Run the ball because Alabama, guess what? Their center is still hurt. If he is still hurt by the time it gets to Arkansas, Ridgeway and some of those guys up front can help control the line of scrimmage.

And if they do that with the umbrella coverage that Bryce Young hasn't seen a ton of, they haven't seen a ton of three down. And Barry's going to mix coverages and he'll give you, you know, there's just a lot of movement and he does a really good job at disguising everything.

Arkansas doesn't do a ton defensively. They didn't last year and they don't this year. Now they've added on, they've got a little more depth. People don't realize how depleted Arkansas was on that side of the ball last year and what Barry Odom did was borderline magic. I mean, borderline allusions, father, illusions. But when I look at Arkansas defensively,

will Bryce Young be patient enough to take what they're giving them underneath? That's what it comes down to. Because I think Arkansas can hold up against the run. And I think that three down and moving gaps will create some problems. You saw LSU create some problems on the interior because, guys, I'm telling you, losing your center, it's detrimental. That's huge. That is a specialized position.

that is an absolute specialized position and you don't have four centers walking around that can play great. Snapping and stepping is the most underrated thing in the sport of football. It is so much harder than anybody thinks. Snapping in the gun, stepping, blocking, getting your hat on the other shoulder,

it's so hard to do. That's why the ones that do it, it's just fun football to watch. It's just fun to watch. If I'm Arkansas and any one-on-one matchup I have with Berks against Alabama, I'm taking it. I'm taking him. You got to.

And Traylon Burks, can be a difference maker. Now, we know Job and the rest of the group out of there, Jordan Battle, a guy we just had on, they're really good. But we've seen, we've seen some chinks in the armor. We've seen it. We've seen some holes in the cheese. And if it happens against Arkansas, Arkansas's confident enough,

and they're good enough up front, in my opinion, to have a chance. And if they let Arkansas hang around, the way they let LSU hang around, KJ Jefferson can hurt you with his feet. Yeah, where's that game at? And that could be the difference. I want to say it's in Tuscalo.

It's in Tuscalo. Yeah, it's in Tuscaloosa. But LSU played him in Tuscaloosa. Now, Bama, I think that was a wake-up call last week. I think you're going to see a little bit of a different Bama team moving forward from a focus standpoint, at least offensively. But if they don't get the offensive line short up with the center round, it's not going to matter. They're going to be in dog fights. And if you think it's a problem now, if the center's out against Jordan Davis, you may have to call the police.

It's going to get that physical. Yeah, I agree. You want to go straight at the picks? Yeah, let's go to picks and wrap it up. All right. So we talked about the Mac declared war on this yesterday. And we declared it right back. And guess what?

You may have won the battle, but we won the war. What do you say in the office? But we won the other battle. Oh, we won the other battle. Turn tables, tables have turned. Yeah. So, you know, I was two and one last night. Bowling Green, your former coach, Scott Leffler.

Thanks for letting me down. Maybe you should get thrown out again so y'all can score some points. Oh, why do you do that to my voice? I'm sorry. You got thrown out last week. You're the play caller and they scored four touchdowns. starting to smell like, what's that? Is that cinnamon? No, you're the problem. That's what I'm smelling. Oh my goodness. You told me of a psychological warfare. I'm giving it right back to

him. So everybody at the Mac, you come at the Kings, you best not miss. Here's what I got tonight. North Carolina and Pittsburgh, they're shaping this up as a big highfalutin, you know, Barnum and Bailey Circus Globetrotter Festival. Yeah. Of points. And you know what I say? Give me the first half under. 37 and a half. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. lot of points. Kenny Pickett, we know he's a witch. Sam Howell starting to figure it out with the weapons he has around him. We know Josh Downs is a really good player. But I think both teams are going to come out, feeling out each other a little bit in the beginning. And I got a great piece of advice as a young guy from a guy that's won a lot of bets. When you have two explosive offenses,

take the under. Well, I did that yesterday. How did that go, Connie? Not well. They scored 84 days. This isn't the Mac. Eventually, I went to sleep. There's always 14 garbage, points in the Mac. Like somebody snaps it over their head or blocks a plan. There's no small mistakes in the Mac. You know, there's not one Mac game I've watched where I'm like, man, nothing crazy happened. Wow, that was just a, that was just a clean football game. Oh, man, 84 points. Yeah, I'm going North Carolina pit under first half. Oh, okay. 37 and a half. Flying under the radar, gonna try and pick up another dub. Uh, Coney, let's, you want to go to Cone? You want to go to blind? Blaine? Yeah, come on. All right. Come on. All right. Come on, Blaine.

Come on. Come on in. Told you. Come on in. Try to go to war with the dark forces. What happened? Do you want a little, hold on. Yeah, get it to him.

You lose. Do it. You lose. Do it. Told you. Told you. I know how to put in a call. You know?

How to put in a call. He answered it. And he wanted to happen early. Guess what? It did happen early. I almost hit over in the first half. 49 and a half. It was 38 at halftime.

49 and a half over under for a mat game? Come here. stealing please it's free so you know what i'm going to do i'm going to switch it up a little bit you know how i'm going to switch it up how no carliana pittsburg 71 and a half give me the over what are we talking about here north carolina playing against wake force sam how's starting to figure it out right he's getting better better and better and kenny picket you know heisman hopeful and that offense is getting it's Pittsburgh defense better in wake force yeah a little bit they've had more less they've had more busts than a than a than a

Room full of fruit gushers, man. If Duke can score 30 against you in football, you best believe. You're taking the full game over. You're taking the half under. So y'all shouldn't be together tonight at all. There's going to be conflict. No, well, there's not. I'm going to actually be out of the house.

But, guys, I do want to say something I think we're all forgetting. You can't spell November without over. Y'all write that down. Quilt that one in your memory blanket. This game might be over 100. just not at half. Well, you know what, hey, first of all, nucks to you for breaking out of the rut, okay?

I need to get on the same page here, and I think maybe we have a pick in here. By the way, baby Cohn just texted me his pick. He's got one tonight? He's got one tonight. I love to hear it, okay? I tell him don't step on my toes here because I'm going to take that. He's your son.

He's your son, Cohn. Why don't you tell him? Clearly, you have a direct text message line to him. I'm not co-parenting his picks with him. Am I paying that phone? Bill? I think I'll pay that for us. Yeah, you're actually paying mine, too, but I want you to find out. I want you to find out. I want pit minus six and a half, okay?

Just give it to me. I don't care what Sam Powell looked like a superhero last week against Wake. I don't care. Don't care. Yeah, they are. Give me pit. So you're getting pit minus six and a half. At home.

You got to have some home teams. All right. So we're going to get to baby cones pick here in a second. But here's my question to you guys. Over under, can he picket interceptions? Two. Under. I'll go under.

You'll go under? Under. For sure. Under. Here's what baby Cone just texted me. He said, and remember, how old is Adam Elton now? He is 11 weeks this week. He's 11 weeks old.

He texts me, hey, he's a giant. Love in the show. Can you tell my dad that I would love to take Pittsburgh minus two and a half for the first quarter? Wow. Your son is a quarter picker. I love that. What a smart, intelligent pick. I know.

It's in line with what I'm picking so we can hang out tonight. Good. Bet, bud. So you're going to hang out. with your 11 week old son tonight. Good for you, Cohn. Bet, buds. Is he on iPhone or Android? Or an iPhone? Listen, it matters not. It doesn't. It matters not. It matters not. If he's on an Android, we need to talk. Yeah. You know he's on the iPhone. You know he's got the blue text message. Okay, good. Good. All right.

Good show, boys. Great show. Shout out to the booster club. You're always the best. I'm going to tweet out the picks tonight. It's been another phenomenal show. Another phenomenal week. Everything just phenomenal. The pickles are phenomenal. The picks are phenomenal. The picks are phenomenal. nominal. Hey, went to war yesterday and one, boys. Went to war yesterday and one. I was going to bring a sword in today. But I didn't have one. You have a sword? No, I don't. I was going to bring one in and then realize I didn't have a sword. And then I don't really know, like, where the sword store is, like where you would go to get a sword. I'd have a better chance of getting a sword fish than a sword. I'll get you a sword. I'll get you a sword. I was about it. Is it signed by Randy Jackson? With nail polish. Is it signed by Randy Jackson? If you've had a sword this whole time and I haven't known about it. I'm hiding a sword from you. I'm really Jack Sparrow. Tom Cruise? Surprise. you'll remember this day. Anyways, like Oklahoma's undefeated record after this weekend

when they play Baylor and the Kung Fu or the fighting Kung Fu or And is wrong. Wrong? You think that's wrong? Sooners. Okay, well, let me give you a hint. We're going, going. God.

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