The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Lakers, Sean McVay, The Patriots and Kevin Durant

Episode Date: February 6, 2019

Colin says that the Lakers need to plug the leaks because it makes everyone look bad. Colin defends Los Angeles Rams head coach Sean McVay for praising Bill Belichick when they met before the Super Bowl. Colin says that of the three current dynasties, the Patriots are the team that will outlast the Warriors and Alabama. Colin explains how there are two versions of LeBron and the second version of Lebron is not committed to the Lakers. Plus, Colin thinks Kevin Durant going to the Knicks is reckless mobility..Guests include: Nick Wright, Don Yee, Chris Broussard and Greg Cosell Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And it was very obvious by the middle of the second quarter. The Lakers were uninspired, flat. Pacer's are missing their best player. Pacer's are not a great team without Victor Oladipo, and they ran them off the floor. And the gap in talent, frankly, was not 42 points. But this, of course happened because for the last nine days, these Anthony Davis and Laker rumors have been demoralizing to the team. If you were told as Kyle Kuzma, Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart, Brandon Ingram, your whole life, AAU, high school, college, you were really good. And you got to the NBA and people said, you have a chance to be really special. And then you found out in the paper and on blogs and on the internet, you're basically an end table in the world of furniture.

you're a throw pillow. You don't matter. You're a pawn. You're irrelevant. Yeah, I'm guessing you wouldn't be motivated to play either. This has been embarrassing. It's embarrassing for the Lakers who are obviously leaking stuff to protect their brand, to prove to their fans, we're trying, we're trying, we're trying, we're trying to prove to LeBron,

we're trying, we're trying to get you a star. And obviously clutch sports, LeBron's camp is leaking stuff because they want to make sure their guy knows. and everybody knows they're trying to get this, they're putting pressure on the Lakers. I've got to get this puppy done. I want to get Anthony Davis out of New Orleans. I mean, some ugliness is inevitable if you want to get Anthony Davis out of New Orleans. I mean, it was bound to get a little ugly,

but this is Titanic-level stuff. It's awful. Welcome, I guess, to the new LeBron business. There's literally competing factions within the Lakers now. There are pictures on the Internet, people at the game last night, taking a picture of the Laker bench. LeBron to the corner, other players over here. Rondo apparently's daughter was in town.

He's sitting with the fans. It is a mess. And oh, by the way, the Clippers traded a very good player last night. Tobias Harris to the Sixers. He's a very nice player. But you know what's interesting about that? You didn't hear a word about it. And you didn't hear a word when Star Chris Paul went to the Rockets either.

And you didn't hear a word when Blake Griffin. went to the Pistons either because Jerry West is a professional. Jerry West is quiet. Jerry West is a pro's pro. You didn't hear a peep when Chris Paul, a star got traded. Blake Griffin, a star got traded. Last night, Tobias Harris hits a game winning shot last night for the Clippers, wakes up, he's been traded. It's like a bank robbery.

You wake up and go to the bank, where's the money? I mean, because the Clippers now are the well-run organization. That's not leaking stuff. I mean, Magic Johnson, stay off Jimmy Kimmel. Last night's 42-point loss is a direct result of the mayhem and the chaos and the dysfunction right now. Stay off late night shows. Stop calling up blogs and NBA guys to protect your brand. For the record, when the New England Patriots acquired Randy Moss,

nobody knew it the second until it happened. When the New England Patriots traded Jimmy Garoppolo, we were all shocked. There was no tip-off to the media. Okay, the reality is it doesn't matter if it's the White House or an NBA team. If there's leaks, it's not well-run, and it's not a very good sign. Of course, LeBron afterwards, this is the LeBron slight of hand. LeBron's saying, hey, I know it's tough on a lot of our guys, especially our young guys.

They're hearing it every single day. You know, you got to stay off social media. You know, young guys love social media. So, you know, I definitely, they got to stay off social media. LeBron acting as if, yes, I mean, I have no part of this. I'm just watching this unfold. I have nothing to do with this, of course. And like LeBron's not on social media all day as well.

Keep your business private. Don't go on late-night talk shows. Don't leak stuff. Don't try to protect your brand. You know what your brand is, Lakers? Really ugly, the last several years, and really bad if you don't land Anthony Davis. And for the next three months, you're going to have Luke Walton trying to coach a team where every single player believes that LeBron James and his guys see them as just,

pawns. Luke Walton's done if this thing doesn't get made. LeBron's going to be unhappy. Young players are going to be disengaged. Now the Lakers are completely trapped. I mean, this is not how anybody does their business. I'm not saying Anthony Davis to the Lakers or trading a big star from a small market to L.A. is going to be perfect. I get it. You know, I get it. This had the potential because Anthony Davis is going to have to come out and say, I got to leave. Yeah, I want to go. I'm not saying it was going to be perfect harmony. But this thing's a mess.

The Clippers, Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, Tobias Harris, Jerry West running the show. Not a peep. Previous White House to the one now, not a peep. I can tell a well-run business by what gets out. Everything on this trade has gotten out. Let me shift gears to this. I've been very tough on Sean McVey coach of the Rams. I said during the season, I like him, but let's wait to coronate him, you know, Vince

Lombardi. Let's wait to coronate him Bill Belichick. Let's just, he was in a playoffs last year. He lost. Let's slow down on the Sean McVeigh. I think he's really talented kid. In my business, I see talented 30-year-olds all the time. Let's not turn him into, you know, Rachel Maddow, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh.

Let's slow down a little bit here. And then when Sean McVeigh lost this past weekend, I said I thought he got out-coached. And I think he has a certain system. He doesn't adapt necessarily well. He will over time. He's a smart guy. He's a good listener. He's a good coach.

But there's a piece of film out this morning that people are just dissecting and making way too much of. So let me defend him. Here's the piece of film. And people think Sean McVeigh is just too fawning before the game to Bill Belichick. So much respect for you. He's done a great job. Yeah, so, hey, you always do, though. And doing it, you know, you're the best, man.

The way that you guys are able to shift your identity and really still be able to figure it out. I mean, week in and week out, it's unbelievable, man. Really, so much respect for you and the way you do it, man. You're what's right about coaching. Thank you. Appreciate you, coach. Now was 12 seconds.

What did you want him to do? Trash talk to Belichick? Not talk to Belichick? By the way, that's how a young announcer treats Vin Scully when he meets him. That's how young NBA players treat Kobe Bryant for 12. seconds when they meet him. That's how many young quarterbacks when they are on the field for the first time and they see Tom, they go over like, hey man, I've been watching you forever. You're awesome, dude. Totally respect your game. That's what I've done going up to a young Bob Costas years ago,

30 years ago. What did you want him to do? Trash talk him? Bill Belichick's the greatest football coach of our lives. One of the reason Sean McVeigh is an amazing young football coach is because he's watched. He's watched Belichick and he's watched Bill Walsh and he's watched Jimmy Johnson and he's taking stuff from him. So when he sees

him before the big of his game of his career and walks up to him for 10 to 12 seconds, what do you want him to do? I mean, in the World Series, don't tell me this is you don't want to do this before big games. I see in the World Series, guys around the batting cage,

laughing and joking. And 15 minutes later, you know, that pitcher's facing that batter. In the NBA, I see guys all have the same agents. Over here at UCLA, Westbrook works out with KD, works out with LeBron, works out, all off-season. I see this stuff all the time. I see all the time in sports people going up and saying, hey, man, you don't think young quarterbacks before they face Peyton Manning

and on the football field didn't walk up and say, hey, man. So much respect for you. You're the best there's ever been, man. I love you. You think that decided the football game. Sean McVan Bill Belichick looked at tape, and I'm guessing here, for 35 to 45 hours. But you think that 12 seconds determine the game. That's what Ray Lewis, love him, but here's what he said on showtime last night.

Games are the loss. Games already lost. I mean, hold on, guys. This is not preseason. You get into a championship game, your mentality of your leader dictates what you're troops do. Even if I think it, I'm not sharing it right there. I can't share it right here.

Even if I think it, I'm going to let him, because I got to let my guys know. They're human and they believe. Stop, Ray, stop. Football games are not decided by 12 seconds before the game. Ram players didn't even know about that. Now, Ray is a defensive player.

Defensive players are very emotional. Their job in a football game is to blow stuff up, knock people over. So defensive players are very much about high emotion. Your arrival. I'm knocking you out. I'm making you hurt. I'm making you wins.

I'm blowing up your plays. That's Ray Lewis. That's how defensive players see games. Offensive players don't. Offensive coaches steal stuff from one another. Offense is about unity. Choreography. Being unified.

Being under control. taking the emotion out of it. Tom Brady doesn't want to be too jacked up, so he's sailing throws. Ray Lewis wants to run through a wall. Defense and offensive guys have a different mentality. I've heard this from GMs for years. Defensive guys, it's almost like you like them having a little screw loose. Lawrence Taylor, sometimes you're like, is that guy all there?

You want your quarterback to have it all there. This is not why the Rams. lost. This is how people who are young and talented and driven and who have had posters on walls and they've had these huge dreams and then they face Kobe and then they face Muhammad Ali and then they face Tony Larusa and they face Bill Belichick and they meet Vin Scully or Al Michaels or Jim Nance and they come up and they're like hey man this is this is weird man I'm going to watch and you're the very best at you do. Do you want him to trash talk him? Ignore him. Yo, sup. Sean McVeigh did.

What I do, you do, and players and coaches and executives have been doing forever. Good to have you. Good stuff today. Laker stuff is a mess. It really is a mess. Another Kevin Durant rumor. I mean, it never ends. A three concurrent. dynasties. I'm looking at my stories today. Buy seller hold. Let me just say this. What is happening right now to the Rams is very predictable.

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Don Yee. Tom Brady's agent next hour. Nick right around the corner. Greg Broussard. Chris Broussard, excuse me. I got a lot of names rifling through my head today, Chris Broussard. Again, I'll say this. I'm a really big believer in this.

well-run businesses from the White House to NBA teams to NFL teams to Silicon Valley companies. Well-run businesses don't leak. When Boogie Cousins ended up with the Warriors, nobody knew about it. Garoppolo to the Niners, nobody knew about it. Randy Moss to the Patriots,

nobody knew about it. Chris Paul Blake Griffin. Chris Paul went to Houston. Darry didn't leak it. Jerry West didn't leak it. Nobody knew it. Not a lot of leaks in well-run companies. And, you know, I will say this now.

I think the Lakers are trapped. Rob Parker came on our show yesterday and said something. I thought it was his best point yesterday. He was kind of getting hysterical about how Tom Brady's awful. But he made this point, and I thought it was a good point. What happens to the teammates that he's a, already put out there that he doesn't want. LeBron came in.

Magic has no choice. Magic has no choice. He's stuck with LeBron and now how do you welcome those guys back to finish out this season? You know, just ask yourself in my job today, if there were rumors the last seven days, I was trying to move everybody here, not to compare myself to LeBron, but I was trying to move everybody. Don't you think that everybody would be like talking behind my back going, you know, like us anymore. There'd be a little tension

I'd believe. I think. This is bad for everybody if the Lakers don't make the move. Think about this. It's bad for the NBA because LeBron and Anthony Davis are more interesting. So it's bad for the NBA. It's a disaster for Luke Walton. It's an impossible team to coach. I mean, you're going to have massive

tension in the building. So Luke Walton's done if this deal doesn't get done. It feels like it's a lost year for LeBron James and Anthony Davis. LeBron's kind of going through the motions with young guys he's not eventually going to be with and Anthony Davis. you know, he's got this franchise that's mad at him. So two great players, and it's a wasted year.

I don't think it's great for clutch sports. It looks like, oh, you guys couldn't pull off the deal. I think the season as a whole is a mess. I don't think, I think the Lakers are trapped. I think if you don't make this deal, you might as well just start writing up your Luke Walden's done. You can't coach this team. You just can't coach this team.

And, I mean, again, every player, I don't blame Lanzo ball. This is also going to open up the door for Lovar Ball to start talking. Because Lovar, if this deal doesn't get done, LeVar is going to say, I told you this organization doesn't know what they're doing, and he's going to look like he's right. He already took a shot at Luke Walton. If this deal doesn't get done, then Lovar Ball gets empowered.

He can literally go on shows like this or other shows and go, I told you, they don't know what they're doing. And we're all sitting there going, he's got a point. They don't know exactly what they're doing. So this situation now, one of the reasons I don't like to make guarantees. Like the only guarantee that's ever worked in help business was Domino's, years ago, guaranteeing they'd get you the pizza there in 30 minutes or less.

That worked. That was good for their business. But even they eventually moved off it. They eventually said, we've got to stop guaranteeing stuff because now, you know, we show it one minute late. We look like jerks. And if we show up two minutes early, everybody's like, well, so what? You already guaranteed it.

I don't like guarantees. and I don't like leaking stuff. Okay, and one of the reasons is it puts pressure on you. With the Lakers leaking all this stuff, it's now put incredible pressure on them to get it done. And now if you don't get it, that's like Rex Ryan, we're going to win the Super Bowl. Well, now if you don't, you're a schmuck.

When you guarantee something, it not only puts pressure on you, but whatever you accomplish, you don't get as much credit for. Well, you guaranteed it, so you must have known. So I think the Lakers are in a bad situation. If I was Luke Walton, I mean, I was, would be praying this gets done. Because Luke Walton can save his job if he gets Anthony Davis. Even if they don't win the championship, it's fun.

People are optimistic. The place is sold out. The games are energized. The young players are out of the building. Now he's got to be a psychologist. He's got to be half Dr. Phil, half Oprah, half basketball coach, half agent. I mean, half parent. This is going to be just, this is the most unenviable coaching job.

in the world if this deal doesn't get done. And I rarely agree with Rob Parker, but I did there. Here's Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So the Nick Foals era is one step closer to ending in Philadelphia. The Eagles notified Poles, they would be picking up his option of his $20 million contract for next season.

And Adam Schefter reported that Folls would be opting out of the deal. Foals opting out of his $20 million deal leaves the Eagles with two options, letting Foles walk into free agency or placing the franchise tag on him. And as things stand, the Eagles using the franchise tag seems unlikely. It's the only way they can ensure they get something back. Well, it seems the most likely, actually, because it's the only way they could ensure they get something back for Foles. Yeah, listen, let him go. Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered.

Nick Foles for a year and a half has been the world's greatest backup quarterback. Okay, you're not, this is the high end of the stock. And you can argue the best starting quarterback for him. the Eagles as well. Well, I'm not going there. Everybody I trust that watches film doesn't believe that. So, listen, Philadelphia this year, with massive injuries, almost got to the NFC championship. This is a well-run team, owner-GM coach. This is as much as you're going to get out of Nick Foles. Let us sucker Jacksonville overpay for them. This league is built on the smart teams manipulating the dumb team.

teams and the desperate teams. Philadelphia, you're not desperate. By the way, you can draft, you've got plenty of draft picks. If you're not all in on Carson Wentz, you plan this next year, not like anybody's going to get fired, Philadelphia is so well run, they'll be fine, and then you just draft a quarterback every year if you have some concerns about Carson Wentz, but you don't pay Nick Foll's $20 million. I don't know.

Yeah, if you franchise him, it's the trade. him. That part I get. That part is to trade him. But I just, I feel like Carson Wentz's injuries make me so nervous, though. Well, I'm nervous every day. I'm nervous every day. I mean, life's about nerves. I mean, there's a lot of things I'm nervous about. This is just one of these classic sell high. You bought him low, sell him high. I know that the dolphins are probably trying to look to throw in the draft, but I would take fulls in Miami. So even though the Lakers suffered their worst defeat of the season. There was still something to celebrate for LeBron. It became the fifth player in NBA history to reach 32,000 career points.

Brom was proud of his strive for greatness and posted on Instagram with the caption. Still can't believe when I'm listed with any of the greatest of greats to ever play this beautiful game. The Man Above, thank you so much for picking me up and out of where I came from, making me see my path out of it and taking full advantage of it. This is crazy to me. Don't even have anything else to say because so much is going through my mind right now. Guess all I can say is thank you basketball. ball. That's nice. Hashtagstrive for greatness. Hashtag James Ging. That's very nice. A little bit of a humble brag, but that's okay. Well, you know, it's a great accomplishment. It's just kind of unfortunate that happened on the worst loss, night of the worst loss of your career.

It's a stray drama and all that, but it is a huge accomplishment. And finally, LeBron has proclaimed himself the greatest of all time for defeating the Warriors in 2016, the team that won 73 games. But Kevin Durant thought that beating LeBron in the 2017 finals would put him in the conversation to overtake LeBron. According to Ethan Shouse with the Athletic, teammates said that Durant believed his best thing of LeBron's 2017 finals would get him hailed as the game's top player. A mantle he's craved for some time.

Durham was superior defensively and hit the series' biggest shot right in the king's face. Instead, there was no grand reordering of rankings. KD. was tired of being second way back in 2013, was still stuck there reputationalally, even in ultimate victory. He's still behind LeBron and the eyes of pundance, basketball, Twitter, and perhaps most importantly, Nike. who's employed Durant longer than any team.

Well, Kevin Durant isn't LeBron. So that's what he's the second best. He's the Peyton Manning to Tom Brady. He's an all-timer, but Peyton Manning is second to Tom Brady in their rivalry. Phil Mickelson is second to Tiger Woods, and that's the way it should be. And Kevin Durant is second to LeBron, and that's the way it should be. Well, okay. So let's assume that Durant wins another title this year, right?

Yeah, okay. Yeah. So that means that LeBron would not be playing him in the finals. Yeah. And then let's say LeBron doesn't win, I know this is blasphemy, but doesn't win a championship with the Lakers. Very possible. Which is possible.

And Durant wins, I don't know, two more. He's still not LeBron. When does he get in the conversation? Well, you're just not going to be LeBron. Listen, it doesn't matter how much you like strawberry ice cream. It's not as good as chocolate. Well, I think it's a matter of preference. I love strawberry ice cream.

But more people like chocolate ice cream. Sure. Kevin Durant is never going to be as good as LeBron. By the way, that's not a criticism. Aaron Rogers is never going to be Peyton Manning or Brady. Doesn't mean he's not a top 10 guy ever. Okay, but... You can't just keep throwing titles in.

If Aaron Rogers goes on a run and wins four more rings... Well, that's not going to happen. Okay, but let's say it did happen. He's not going to win four more NFC nor titles. I tend to agree with you, but let's say it did happen. Would you start having that conversation? Stop throwing hypotheticals. I still have been that unrealistic.

Yeah, if there's an ice age tomorrow, I literally have to ski to work. It's not going to happen. It's not that unrealistic. If Phil Migglesson wins 32. It's not only that he won two championships directly against LeBron. Kevin Durant's never going to be LeBron. I'm just saying he should be in the conversation, especially if he wins at least two more rings. And LeBron doesn't.

I think he's in the conversation of second best player for 15 years. That's Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. I want to go to my buy. And I'll tell you this. There's another story out today that Kevin Durant's going to the Knicks.

I think it would be a classic mistake. I'm for mobility, but I'm not for reckless mobility. I think the Warriors are the perfect fit. I think they've got a cool head coach. I think Steph Curry is one of the all-time, classiest, greatest superstars in league history. It's a cool city full of tech, and Durant loves tech. It's good ownership. I mean, he doesn't have to be the tough guy.

He doesn't have to be the best offender. It doesn't have to be the best offender. He can shoot, score, and win MVP's. It's the best place in the world. Let's go to Nick Wright via the Cower Global Satellite Network. First thing's first. Let's just start with a Durant thing. Joy throws up these Ice Age hypotheticals

if he wins nine more trophies. I have no problem. I said two. Two more. I contend he's the Peyton Manning to Brady. And there's nothing wrong with that. Or disagree? Listen, he's never going to pass LeBron in the all-time pantheon.

In order to do that, not only would he need more rings, he'd need a bunch more league MVPs. He would need to play longer than anyone expects him to. But what was reported by, as you said, the athletic, right? Yeah. That was exactly what I have heard is pushing him to New York. is he got pushed to Golden State by people around him saying, you're better than LeBron, man, the guy he's always looked up to. The only reason people won't acknowledge it is you don't have the rings.

Go somewhere, you're guaranteed a ring. Everyone will acknowledge it. And it kills him that that is not what happened. Going to New York, a franchise that hasn't won a title in 45 years, and winning a title similar to the LeBron, Cleveland title, while that wouldn't push Kevin Durant above LeBron in the Pantheon, it could push him above LeBron in the right now. Duran is in that same boat Kobe's in, which is one of the greatest players ever to never

be the best player in the league at any given moment, because as we know it went from Jordan to Shaq to Duncan to LeBron, someone's going to take it after LeBron. Yannis is in the poll position right now. a title for Durant in New York would have him snatch it. I think that's one of the reasons he likes that idea. By the way, you and I both like LeBron, but I will say this, 15 years three titles. There is some carnage when you do business. It's the great duality of life.

You know, on a rainy day, there's the good news about rainy days. Kids stay inside and read more, and that's good. On the days that we see clouds, there's sunshine beneath it. LeBron leaves carnage. You win some games. you get it, but Cleveland twice has been a mess. Miami was a mess when he left. This situation with the Lakers, if it doesn't happen by Thursday,

you can just might as well push Luke Walton into the unemployment line. Could we not acknowledge at least, Nick? This situation in the last nine days, it's a mess. There's leaks everywhere. Sure, listen, I disagree with you on the carnage point, and if you want to revisit it, we can. But let me talk about the last nine days. Like, there's this guy on Twitter.

he's invaluable. Everyone should follow him. His name's Kevin Cruz, and he's a historian. And so politicians say certain things, and he just well-actualies everyone with, well, this is actually what happened in the Civil War, and he goes through it. I feel like I'm having to become that for the NBA Twitter world. But the history is just 12 months ago. What was going on in Cleveland one year ago this week? Oh, there were a a lot of rumors about guys going to be traded. Oh, they got beat by 32 at home. This was all one year ago this week. The next night, they got beat by 34 in the second half to Orlando. They then traded half the team. And oh, they ended up in the NBA finals. Of course, the team's dysfunctional right now.

These kids don't are understandably put off by the fact that they are movable. They are tradable. They are not part of the future. they're going to have to move their families or their lives or whatever. That's tough. But that's the cost of doing business trying to win championships right now. And the idea that other franchises have been left in disarray, I just, I reject. Cleveland was left to be Cleveland, to be what Cleveland has always been without LeBron.

It's not like Cleveland was this amazing organization. LeBron came in like Godzilla's smashing buildings. No, Cleveland was a hellhole organization, and then LeBron carried it for seven years. left, they went right back to being Cleveland, carried it for four years, left, and then went right back to being Cleveland. Miami did the smart thing in investing in three superstar veterans. LeBron left, Bosch's health failed him tragically. D. Wade got old, so of course they're going to fall off. And of course you trade the future to make four consecutive finals and win two rings or go to four consecutive finals in Cleveland win one ring. Like, you, those

teams did the right thing, just like it would be the right thing for the Lakers to trade the quote future for a 25-year-old superstar Anthony Davis. I want to go shift to NFL. I got one topic here that I want to talk about. Yeah. Is that Belichick and McVeigh film has come out, NFL films. And before the game, McVeigh goes up to Belichick and acts like any young announcer would do to Vin Scully or what any player would do meeting, you know, I mean, if you're a young politician and you met Barack Obama or in his prime Ronald Reagan, and you would show ultimate respect for about 15 seconds. Deference.

Right, right. That would, people are crushing McVeigh. Ray Lewis said it cost him the game. I don't buy it. How does it land for you? Okay. Like, I'm not surprised. that that would happen. I thought

Coach Eric Manjini made an interesting point on our show this morning, which is you remember the story that came out for the Super Bowl, how Belichick and McVeigh would text. Belichick would text McVeigh after Rams games. Yeah. Coach Manjini made the point that Bill Belichick's not in the business of helping other coaches. So he's doing that

for his own purposes, even if he thinks, even if you think it's helping you. I don't mind McVeigh hugging Belichick or having a moment Belichick before the game. What cost them the game was the inability to make adjustments. Where in the world is Todd Gurley? I feel like we had a damn national emergency about Malcolm Butler for six weeks last year. You got the offensive player of the year, MIA, nobody knows why.

And then Jared Goff quietly, Jared, like, this is, everyone's like, was the Super Bowl too big for Jared Gough? The Rams better hope that was the problem because that's fixable. Here's what's not fixable or not as easily fixable. Up until the Chiefs game, the Rams are 10 and 1, Goff, 26 touchdown, 6 picks, a 114 rating. Over the next eight games, seven touchdowns, eight picks, a 74 rating, and they're 5 and 3. That wasn't the moment.

Something happened to Jared Goff the last two and a half months of the year. All those things matter a lot more than Jared Goff walking up to Belichick looking like, if I'm being honest, me the first time I met you. Like there is a moment where you're like, wow, that's the guy. And you're like, man, forget that guy. We're in that phase of our relationship now. Bill and Nick Bay's got to get there at some point.

My buddy. Nick Wright, co-host, first thing's first. Good talking to you. You as always. Talk to you later. Okay. Don Yee, Tom Brady's agent, Jimmy Garoppolo's agent, Julian Edelman's agent next hour. You know, it is, and by the way, Nick poses a very interesting question, what happened to Jared Gough?

I'll tell you what happened to him. He lost his favorite target, Cooper Cup, and then Todd Gurley had an injury, and they didn't, you cannot take away for a young quarterback. Carson Wentz, Deshawn Watson, it doesn't matter who, Baker Mayfield. You can't take away their favorite receiver. Cooper Cup is his guy. And then your Zeke level, Todd Gurley level, Superstar running back, we're going to give him half the carries. That's what happened. You can do that to a Matt Ryan, a breeze, Russell Wilson.

They've been in the pocket long enough. They can overcome stuff. These young quarterbacks, you can't take away their teddy bear. You can't take away their binkie. You can't take away their comforter. It's just like young kids. They get into these habits. They have, they need this, they need that.

Then as you age, you're able to adapt to the problems and the roadblocks and the obstacles of life. You can't take Cooper Cup and Todd Gurley away from Jared Gough and go, he's not the same. Guess what? As good as Patrick Mahomes was, I don't think he was ever quite as good when he lost Kareem Hunt. He was still good.

And by the way, when the Patriots took out Tyreek Hill, and they didn't have Kareem Hunt, the offense wasn't the same. And he's the MVP. And I don't think Gough is as talented as Patrick Mahomes. So that's just the reality of it. Coming up next, five straight Super Bowl losers.

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go to 1-800flowers.com slash herd H-E-R-D order today. The offer expires Wednesday. Tom Brady's agent, the great Don Yees, Edelman's agent, Jimmy Garoppolo's agent. It's an interesting day because we're talking about agents and AD and the Lakers and all the leaks and just what a circus it's become. Chris Broussard, Greg Cosell also stopped by on a Wednesday. It's great to have you in. The Rams appear to be unraveling a bit as they lose the Super Bowl.

There's a little bit of negativity circling the franchise. And it should be duly noted. This is what happens. I'm going to give you the last five Super Bowl losers. The Seahawks five years ago didn't give the ball to Marshawn Lynch. That was the tipping point. They were never the same franchise. Panthers lost. Cam Newton following year imploded, losing record.

Falcons acknowledged that losing and choking away a giant lead affected them the following year. The Patriots, the best-run franchise perhaps in American professional sports, swam in controversy for five months. And the Rams now are getting heat for not explaining Todd Gurley, for not adapting for not looking prepared. The Super Bowl is so far and away the biggest sporting event in our country. The only thing I can compare it to globally is the World Cup for Brazil, Argentina, Belgium, Germany.

When you lose it, it is an automatic dissension and dysfunction creator. The Super Bowl now with the amplification of social media and the media in general is just bigger and louder and coming from more directions than ever. You lose the Super Bowl, you take a beating, and you better have a damn strong locker room to overcome it, and I think the Rams have it. And like the Patriots, they will be fine. And it looks like the Seahawks now will be fine. I don't think Carolina has ever been the same, nor do I think that with Atlanta yet.

The big knock is that they didn't run the football. It should be noted the first five drives the Rams had. They ran the ball on first down in five straight drives, and they punted it in five straight drives. They tried to run it. Now, I would have preferred more than 18 carries. I would have preferred 25 to 28, but it became very clear, very early,

and Sean McVeigh talked about this. It was not a lot of room. gets into a little bit of a rhythm or it seemed like when we'd have a good positive run, then something would inevitably occur to set us back. And then when you're not efficient on third downs, we just didn't get a lot of attempts off. I think when you go five-yard run, we were having efficient runs, but then you have a couple penalties to set yourself back where now you're at second and ten and you're not converting on some third down in shorts.

So we didn't get the amount of plays off and didn't really have any drive continuity where we're punting more than we did. And that's a big result of why those opportunities were limited for him. You'll lose a World Cup, if you're a soccer country, and you lose the Super Bowl, you have to understand you are now in the managing crisis business. The Seahawks are a well-run franchise. They've been able to reboot. Took them about a year, two years. The Patriot to the best run franchise, it took them about six months.

I think the Rams are very well-run, owner, GM, Les Need, head coach Sean McVan, Gawain, the right kind of quarterback. But this is part and partial. This is now what you deal with losing this game. This is it. We put the microscope on you. We crush you. I did not think it was a great game for Sean McVeigh, but he's 33.

I thought Anthony Lynn had a terrible afternoon for the Chargers. He's older. I did not think it was a great day for Bob Sutton, the 60-year-old defensive coordinator or Andy Reed. They're 50-60-year-old guys. So this is just the reality of the situation. Losing Super Bowls, you're going to get clubbed. You're going to get clubbed by every talk show, every newspaper, every blog,

and it's how you handle it. And I think the Rams are really smart and they'll handle it fine. It is interesting. I was, Steve Kerr had a funny bite. We have three dynasties going on here. It's crazy. The Warriors dynasty, the Alabama dynasty, and the New England dynasty. And usually it doesn't work that way.

But we have, in the three most popular sports, arguably in America, NFL, NBA, and college football, we have three dynasties. And Steve Kerr joked about it the other day. It just gets old watching the same team win the whole thing. You're after year. That was really arrogant, wasn't it? It was kind of fun to say that, then. You know, I actually think of the three dynasties.

I think most people think the Patriots will be the first because of Brady's age to evaporate. I think the opposite. I think the Alabama dynasty is already fraying because of three factors. Number one, Clemson has emerged as every bit as good or better than Alabama. Secondly, the SEC football powers like Florida, Texas A&M, Georgia now have really, really good coaches, so they're going to lose more conference games. And I think Golden State, after they win this year again and win easily, egos and

recklessness. They just happen. They happen to Kobe Shaq. Michael Jordan retired. This is just the way the NBA works. I think New England's here to last. Belichick's still the best coach. Brady was just the best quarterback in a Super Bowl, and they have 12 draft picks.

I think New England's is going to last for at least three more years. Hour two next. Ah, this is the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening hour two live in los angeles we're on iheart radio fox sports radio and fs one chris broussard in 40 minutes updates on the lebron stories don yee in 15 minutes is tom brady's

agent he'll be stopping by greg cole last hour joy taylor is uh joining me here in hour number two on a wednesday this is uh for the next four to five weeks football takes a deep breath NBA trade deadline to Thursday. I would just keep watching the show here today and here tomorrow. I don't suspect LeBron and the Lakers is going to happen now. Although I think of I'm the Lakers, I think they're trapped. You know, it's really interesting. Lakers got blown out by 40 last night. It was LeBron's worst loss, 42. And, you know, LeBron is acknowledging the trade rumors, but he is sort of distancing himself from the trade rumors. He said this after the loss last night. We have a lot of guys that's been in trade talks the last couple weeks. It has never been in that position before. I know it has to be tough on a lot of our guys, especially for young guys. You know, right now, they've just never been a part of it. And, you know, they're hearing it every single day.

And I know that the worst thing that you can do right now is be on social media. And I know all young guys love social media. So, you know, that definitely can't help. LeBron is distancing himself from it, which I understand he has to do. But nobody really buys that. What I have noticed here, and I'm just going to be as honest as I can, this will probably offend the LeBron camp. And they watch the show.

Okay. There's two fractions working. There's the Laker fraction where they release a press release about LeBron's health. And then Rich Paul, part of Clutch Sports and LeBron's group, come out in hysterics. nobody's going to tell us nothing about him, just totally overreacted. And similarly, in this situation, we got the clutch sports leaking stuff to build their brand. You got the Lakers leaking stuff to protect their brand. I feel like there's been two LeBron's.

And by the way, everybody grows and evolves as human beings. We all grow. And hopefully I'm much different than I was in my 20s. But I always feel like there's two LeBron's, and I'm just going to lay this out. The first LeBron was the LeBron in Cleveland and the first three years in Miami. LeBron was all in on his team. All in. He was all in on Cleveland.

He left, but he loved that city and he loved that team. And it was not an easy decision. And then he went to Miami and he had to get some championships. And for three years, he was all into that roster. Mario Chalmers drove him crazy, but he was all in on Riley. all in on Mickey, all in. And then there's the second LeBron. The final year in Miami, all the years back in Cleveland,

and this year for the Lakers, that there's the team, and then there's sort of LeBron and his guys. And they're never glued. LeBron's got his mission, his legacy, his ideas, his worldview, and then there's the team. And I feel like that's the,

LeBron. And again, people adapt. But I really feel like the first LeBron, the seven years in Cleveland, and the three years in Miami, I kind of feel like LeBron was all in as a unit. The last year in Miami, I kind of felt LeBron and then in Cleveland and L.A. It's like there's the team, and LeBron's part of the team, and LeBron can say nice stuff and high five, but he's got like a separate mission and a separate business and a separate empire and a separate group. And right now, I don't think the Lakers are won. LeBron doesn't feel like he's totally committed to the franchise. I heard early that LeBron would refuse to sign basketballs. You know, they'd pass the basketball around the locker room and Kyle Kuzma-Lonzo ball. And initially, LeBronzo was like,

whoa, whoa, whoa. It's like, dude, Tom Brady's a legend. He still signs the footballs. Peyton Manning was a legend in Indianapolis. He still signed the locker room footballs. Like at some point, LeBron, are you in? Kobe Bryant was a Laker. Magic was a Laker. I never felt Shaq was all Laker. Shaq was, love the Lakers because it's in L.A.,

but if the Lakers were in Boisey, Cleveland, and wouldn't like him as much. He moved to L.A. He had a movie, and he was popular, and he had side businesses, and even today he's got 100 commercials. Is that at some point, no matter how big you get in life, you're part of a team or you're not. You're either part of a unit or you're not. And somebody's got to hold your feet to the ground. I don't feel like LeBron's all in on the Lakers.

I know he signed for four years. Papers, one thing. Emotions are different. I mean, I feel like the last year in Miami, the last several in Cleveland, and this year with the Lakers, he's part of a team. He's not of the team. You know, there's an old saying about Austin, Texas. It's in Texas.

It's not of Texas. Park City, Utah. Oh, they party there. It's in Utah. It's not of Utah. LeBron James is a Laker, but he's not really, really all in of the Lakers. You got to make a decision, got to make a choice, got to commit.

Can't be about your empire, can't be about clutch sports, can't be about your guys. But it always felt that way, though. It didn't to me. It didn't in Cleveland to start. No, no, no. I'm saying the move to Los Angeles always felt that way. It's kind of just continuing that narrative. And at some point, you've got to be one of the guys.

Tom Brady goes out of his way to learn new music and new technology to be one of the guys. He goes down, puts his arms around. What do all the young guys say? What's amazing about Brady is that he goes out of his way to connect every day with teammates. He's not worried about his empire. He's not worried. his family, but when he leaves his family, he is, Tom Brady is of the Patriots. Well, this is going to be the great struggle for the Lakers because the Lakers are a storied franchise

with years and years of success and many, many championships and superstars. And LeBron is the type of star that needs control. Okay, let me shift to this. Kevin Durant plans to leave the Warriors this season. Here is a story. Is this from the athletic? It says here, it's about. carving out his own legacy. This is

Kevin Durant. Steph Curry is of the Warriors, Clay's of the Warriors, Draymons of the Warriors, Steve Kerr's all in. Kevin Durant is about, he's a warrior but if he's considering leaving this

city and this coach and this roster for the New York Knicks and I got nothing against New York, then he's not really part of the Warriors. I'm for mobility. Listen, I like ice cream, not for breakfast. I like wine, not for breakfast. I'm for a lot of things, but I'm not reckless. Kevin Durant leaving the Warriors is dumb. It's reckless. It's insecurity. It's ego. It's worried about

stuff that shouldn't matter. You don't leave cool coach, cool city, tech center, great teammates. You don't have to be the tough guy. You don't have to be the best defender. You don't have to be the leader. Just go score and win final MVP's. I mean, that's reckless, mobility. And I am pro mobility. I've been pro-Lebron, pro-K-D. I'm pro-moving around. I've done it. I'm always for NBA players. But again, are you committed to a team? Not just because you have a contract. Are you emotionally committed Kevin Durant to the Warriors? LeBron, are you emotionally connected? You got $500 million. Don't worry about money. Both you guys have nothing but money. Not about money. Tom Brady's not worried about money.

He takes pay cuts every year. Don't worry about your empire. Your empire's fine. You know what's going to hurt your empire? If this locker room doesn't like you, LeBron and Kevin Durant, and you teeter off to a bad team or you don't get to the playoffs, LeBron, that hurts your empire. Stop worrying about every dollar bill.

Stop worrying about legacy. Are you part of a family or you're not? I mean, it's got to be more. I mean, I love the NBA, and I'm pro player, but you can't be consumed with legacy. Win games, win titles. I mean, if you leave the Warriors, is there any organization, any organization in any sport in America that is more pro player and pro star player than the Warriors? You're going to leave to go to the Knicks?

That's a dumpster fire. What are you doing? All right. Don Ye, Tom Brady's agent, Chris Broussard. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hi, it's the herd. Nobody should feel unsafe at home. home, period. Fear has no place in a place like home. That's been SimpliSafe's mission from day one.

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Yes. You only go after the big dogs. Very, very lucky, Colin. Very lucky. Well, I want to talk about something because Brady is. unique. And I want you to take my audience to how you evaluate this. Tom and Tim Duncan are legends that during the process took pay cuts. Now, as an agent, you would generally think your job is to get the most money and assets for the player. But Tom Brady has restructured his contract with New England

several times. Sure. How does it work with Tom? Does he address it with you? Is this just his DNA? Explain that. You know, it's a very collaborative process, Colin. And, you know, every player that we've had the privilege of working with, every player has their own personal ambitions and desires. And you have to respect whatever they feel about that, right? And so it's our job to try to get them to whatever, you know, try to help them achieve whatever their vision is. And I don't make any judgment on any of the players.

They're playing a very violent game, an incredibly difficult sport in which generally for most players, there's no longevity to it. And so, you know, what we try to do is collaborate on what their vision is, try to achieve that vision for them, provide guidance where necessary. But there's also a respect thing. When Tom's only the 15th highest paid quarterback, and people always say this. They say, well, his wife's a supermodel. And I say, yes, and NBA stars make $100 million on their shoes,

there is still the alpha male in I want to be respected, right? That's a delicate balance. Sure. I mean, for every player, obviously, when you're playing a sport like football, obviously, right, you're going to want to have a certain level of financial security for yourself. Right. Okay. And then virtually every player additionally wants to win. I can't say that all players want to win.

I don't know them all, obviously. But the ones I encounter, they generally want to win. So you have these two concentric circles of trying to achieve financial security. and then the desire of wanting to win. And when you're in a sport with a hard salary cap, where you've got a head coach, an organization that also has to make other decisions, and you're playing the most important position,

you know, there are certain considerations, other considerations that sometimes are out of your control come into play. And then you have to decide, for those two concentric circles, how much do you want them to intersect? And, you know, and that's a puzzle. That's a puzzle. So you've had to deal with, Mickey Loomis and GM in New Orleans and Bill Belichick.

You deal with Belichick or Kraft? I've dealt with both. You know, and it's been a, just a complete privilege to work with them. No yelling and screaming. No, no, no. I've known, you know, bills, you know, for a long time, you know, Robert for a long time now, and just complete professionals. But incredibly intelligent people, very, very, very.

intelligent people that you're working with. And even when you disagree on something, their position always has merit. And, you know, I've learned a lot. And I've been very lucky to be around them, but, you know, also other intelligent general managers as well. Jimmy Garoppolo, meanwhile, goes to San Francisco. And as an agent, he had a little dust up where he was TMZ night. And, you know, that stuff comes in.

Sure. Do you ever offer social advice or are you strictly financial? Do they ever lean on you and say, Don, I got into a situation here? Yeah, every player is different and some lean on you more than others. They know that we're always there to give advice. But, you know, it's also an interesting dynamic working with athletes, particularly when they're young men and they're evolving into slightly older men.

Jimmy Garoppolo could be your son. I mean, his age. Absolutely. So I have to always keep a very open mind as well as take a non-judgmental position about their evolution, not only as athletes, but as people. Because I was there once too, right? And as were you probably. Yeah, I was always mature, Don, from day one. Take me from Tom when you first represented him to now.

Has his worldview changed? Kids getting into sports. Life. How has Tom evolved? Well, I would say, I mean, first of all, he comes from a terrific family. His mother and father are just incredibly grounded, outstanding people. And so he's got an incredibly firm foundation from a values standpoint. So the values have always been there.

And his evolution really is just continuing to strive to be better every day. No, whatever it is that he does. It sounds very Tony Robbins, but that's what he does. does. Yeah, that's exactly what he does. He doesn't put limits on himself. And as far as being a father or a husband or a quarterback, a teammate, whatever it is, he really does strive to be better every day. Is Julian Edelman as funny as he is? He seems so quirky. Yeah, Julian, you know, he's a ball of energy. And he's an absolute fun guy to be around. Very fun. Like, for instance, Edelman's got a big personality, Brady, Sean Payton. I've seen these guys in commercials.

So you'll get like a pizza hut, a Geico calls you. And so you're the intermediary here. Yes. They call you and say, Don, we have got a pizza deal for Tom Brady. Now, Edelman is quirky and funny. Yes. Brady is a legend. Are there stuff you've ever turned down and just say?

Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, they're actually they turn down more than you would ever. except. And one reason, the function of that is the fact that, you know, their team and organization, they play deep into the postseason every year. Good point. Right. And so the offseason conditioning program will begin typically around the end of March. And so you really don't have much downtime. It's a very good point. Frankly. When you're in the World Series, spring training is right around the corner. Right. And, you know, and so, you know, they really don't have that much time to do anything else, frankly. Right. How much power in the NBA, I've watched the, and I'm not going to put you in the

crosshairs of talking about other agents, but in the NBA, it is remarkable, Dawn, how often stuff leaks. It's like the current White House. There's a leak every 15 minutes on, you know, Fox News or MSNBC. I'm not a fan of leaks. I think it puts people, I think Magic Johnson now semi-trapped. You kept the Garoppolo story completely under wraps. Randy Moss to the Patriots, not a chirp. By the way, the Clippers similarly, Chris Paul left, didn't hear a thing about it. How much power, is publicity ever good for trades? Is there ever time the media helps you? Well, you know, I don't want to make a judgment how anybody else does their job, but for me personally, and I come from a different generation. Obviously, I'm much older now. And, you know, I grew up with sports in the 60s

and 70s and 80s. And for me, at least, you know, I think that there are many of these kinds of issues that are probably best handled behind closed doors. Right. And, you know, and frankly, that's been a challenge actually in the NFL because of all the attention now and social media. But for me, philosophically, that would be, you know, the appropriate approach. Private.

Yes. Jerry West, by the way, very private. Yes. Jerry's older, different generation. The new generation's got, you know, they get their stuff out and they're leaking this and leaking that. By the way, what's your toughest negotiation? Has there ever been one even with your client? And by the way, that doesn't mean it was inappropriate, but has there been a toughest negotiation?

Oh, boy. I would say, you remember the docu series, Tom versus Time? Yes, I loved it. Yeah, that was me. We did that. Yeah, we did that with Facebook. Yes. And, you know, we had never done anything like that before. It was exciting. And working with Facebook was great. But the business part was difficult. It was tough. And they're very smart people. You're dealing with incredibly smart people with a tremendous amount of data, reams and reams of data. So they have positions that have merit. But that was arduous, yes. It was. Yeah, I thought, by the way, Tom versus Time, I thought, really worked for.

Tom. I thought it played to his brand. I really thought it was smartly done. Did you talk him into it? Was it Tom's idea? Because that was very new for Tom, letting us in. Yes, it was very new. It was new for all of us. But fortunately, we were working with a terrific director in Gotham Chopra. Oh, yeah, smart dude. Yes, who did Kobe's documentary. I loved it. I thought it was fascinating. Yeah, he did a terrific job. And Tom, you know, I think Tom just on his own, he was very willing, you know, to do that. And I think it just shows more evolution from him as well, you know, because to just try something new,

what I thought was courageous, frankly, for him. Yeah. Now, God, I love those documentaries. He really did a good job. By the way, you have a new football league. Yes. It's a very unique league. It's a Pacific Pro League.

Yes. And it's the first of its kind for high schoolers who want to play in a professional league. Yes. And is it West Coast based? Yes. We will start on the West Coast initially with a four-team pod, and it will be the first professional football league for players not yet eligible for the NFL. So that would mean that any player that's three years or less years removed from their high school graduation date would be eligible to play in our league.

And so this league will be designed for those players who have an NFL future. and what we want to do is develop those players and shorten the learning curve for them so that their transition into the NFL will be smooth. Maybe you could represent some of them. Actually, I will recuse. I will completely recuse because, you know, I want to make sure that the players get developed properly, but make sure that there are, you know, people from an appearance standpoint, that there wouldn't be any appearance of an ulterior motive on my behalf.

But really, when you're looking at college football, that's been the only pathway to the NFL. There hasn't been any innovation in many, many years in terms of the gateway. And in every other major professional sport in the world, there is an early professional path. The NFL is the only major sports leading world that does not have this. Pacific pro football. Yes. Our commissioner is Ed McCaffrey. You know, you know Ed.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, smart dude. Yes. His son, Christian McCaffrey. Yes. So his whole family's lived the process of. development and trying to get to the NFL. And we feel that we can fit into the football universe and help a lot of players as well as the

NFL. Yeah. The McAfree family is rock solid. Those are rock solid people. Yes. For the record, when is your next big negotiation? You have Sean Peyton. Garoppolo's done.

Sean Payton coming up here? He will come up soon. Yes. How about Tom? Tom will come up soon, yes. We have a restructuring coming. Is that it? Whatever terminology you want to use, Colin, I'm good with that. All right, get it okayed by Tom.

Don Yee, it's a pleasure to see you again. Oh, good to see you again as well, Colin. All right, Don Yee. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So, as the Patriots held their championship parade in Boston yesterday, The Rams spent the day cleaning out their lockers.

But Aaron Donald and Sean McVeigh both talks about the fuel that losing to the Patriots provides for next season. You know, you got a taste of it. You know, it's motivation. If anything, it just motivates you more that you fell short. I think, if anything, when you look at people like we've talked about that are successful in life, it's people that have the ability to overcome adversity. And if you can't handle getting gut punched and responding, you know, this business probably isn't for you. The Rams are great at the microphone.

They are so good. I got to tell you something. Aaron Donald is on a short list of one of my favorite American pro athletes. Everybody that I know that knows Aaron Donald, they're like he is just. One of the things the Rams have done really well, Andrew Whitworth, Aaron Donald. I know they've taken some quote unquote, you know, diva guys. The reason it works with them. It's because they have solid pieces like Ruth and Donald.

They have some of the... Aaron Donald was in the MVP conversation this year. And he's a great guy. And Jared Gough and Andrew Whitworth and John Sullivan and Robert Woods. You can roll the dice on some of these guys when you have these rock sound solid, foundational, emotionally solid guys. Donald's a home run. And Sean McVeigh sets the tone for the entire team.

Not so much, you know, telling being I said to Belichick before the game. I don't think that necessarily matters. But, you know, he is great at the microphone. calm, very poised, and I think everyone kind of follows his leadership style in that regard. But I know everyone is talking about the Eagles and Super Bowl hangover. And I do think the Rams obviously have to make some adjustments. I still would very much like an answer on what happened with Todd Gurley. While we aren't going to fake outrage, we would like to know.

We're waiting because it's a very confusing situation there. And it would explain what happened in the Super Bowl. Well, McVeck kind of explained it. He said we ran him early and we didn't have any rhythm. That's kind of their explanation. It's not a great one. I know. It's not.

I still go back to what I said before the Super Bowl. And I told you this. I said, if Todd Gurley is not a huge part, they can't be the Patriots. I said, you cannot give a young quarterback. You can't take Cooper Cup out and Todd Gurley out. Jared Gott's not going to be the Patriots too. We already assume they're going to take away whatever your best available piece is. So you can't eliminate your own.

Yes. And so once Gurley didn't play early and not wasn't impactful. I remember watching the. the game in the first quarter and I'm like, this is ugly and choppy, but this is absolutely playing right into the Patriots. I mean, look, like the Patriots, it's not like the Patriot Stevens wasn't playing incredible. They were. So it's not taking anything away from the Patriots' defense being great, but it's just a

confusing situation. I think they're going to be fine next year, which is my overall point. So the Sixers pulled off a major trade last night. They sent three players and four draft picks, including two first rounders to the Clippers in exchange for Tobias Harris, Bobon, and Mike Scott. and now Philly is primed to make a major playoff run this summer. Vegas seems to agree. Their title odds have increased greatly because of this trade.

Tobias Harris is a good player. It's a good move for them. Now, this is actually a win-win. Tobias Harris is a really nice player. He's not M-Bed. I don't think he's Jimmy Butler. He should be your fourth best player or third best on a good team or fourth best on a great team like the Warriors.

He would be your fourth best. On a good team like Houston, he would be your third best. like Philly, he would be your third best. But the Clippers, he was their best. And they were going to have to max him. And the Clippers were like... They were going to have to max him. And that doesn't work for their free agent.

It doesn't. Or what they're aspiring to do in free agency this summer. So if they were going to try and make any play for a big free agent, they had to move Tobias Harris. Because he is that good that they were going to have to give him. And he's a good kid. He works hard. Philadelphia got their third to fourth best player. That makes them a...

I think Tobias Harris, I really believe this. Philadelphia, as Tobias Harris. as your fourth best player, this could be the difference them winning the East. I really believe it. I think so as well. I do, I do too.

If they can get things rolling, yeah. If he's the fourth best player on your team, he is, he is, the only team that has a better fourth best player is the Warriors where the fourth best player is Draymond. No, no, Durant,

Steph, Clay, Boogie. That's the only team. Boogie's better than Tobias Harris. So Golden State is the only team in the league where your fourth best player is better than Tobias Harris as your fourth best player. Now, I love that move for them. Finally, the Lakers did make a trade yesterday, just not one involving Anthony Davis. Yeah, when you hear about this one.

They acquired Reggie Bullock from the Pistons. Yeah. And Svi, Mika Luke. Yeah, they traded. Reggie's a shooter. Well, the ripple effect from the trade rumors have been felt throughout the roster. We talked about this earlier. It's kind of creating a little tension around the Lakers.

and Kyle Kuzma has a very unique idea on how to block them out. Obviously, it's everywhere. You know, you can't really, you know, not see it yet. You know, whether you're on your phone, whatever. But, you know, at the end of the day, we got to, you know, figure out a way to block it out and still perform and play. Obviously, it's tough in this generation and society where, you know, you can't even, you know, use your phone

without seeing something or seeing the text. but maybe I should burbox on my hill that's where I had a f*** in and something I don't do that I mean

at least he has a good sense of humor about it it's really a bad situation for the Lakers and I'm sure you saw this last night this is getting a heavy circulation

on social media the pictures at the end of the bench I realize LeBron always sits on his special seat it's just it's not a good look

It's not a good luck have to have some awareness in this spot. It's, with everything that's going on around the Lakers and with all the leaks, and like you said, it's put them in an impossible situation. Oh, God. I can't even imagine, Luke Walton aside, because obviously it's a horrible situation. It's a disaster for Luke. It's a disaster for Luke Walton.

The rest of your team, like you said, like you just have to be in it. It's like this is who you're with right now. I understand that the Lakers need another player, but this is your team. And these are young guys. And you need to be the leader of this team. This is your team. I just feel like that was really not. It wasn't a good look.

And I can't even imagine the energy that's around all those guys right now. Like it's hard enough to hear your name circulated rarely in a trade situation. But the situation of the Lakers every day where all of you are being sent away. To the Pacers without Victor Oladipo by 42. That's not just. I mean, that shows the energy that's around the team right now. Zero. Yeah.

Exactly. Joy Taylor. The news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herde. I have a great buy-seller hold. I don't have time for it, though, because I want to get to Chris Broussard.

That's coming up next. Chris Broussard joining us. Okay, first of all, you know, the Patriots can make a trade. It doesn't make the wires. Chris Paul got traded from the Clippers. I didn't know about it. Isn't there? I mean, LeBron, I got clutch sports.

I got magic on Kimmel. I got drama. Why do we have to have all this? It's tearing the Lakers apart. Well, in fairness, this is probably the Pelicans leaking stuff. You think so? Yeah. Yeah.

And for instance, when the story broke that Anthony Davis had told him he wasn't going to resign and he wanted to trade. Right. That was the Pelicans leaked it to Adrian Wosznarowski. He called Clutch, Rich Paul, and Rich just confirmed it. So I think the pel. And look, the Pelicans have every reason to sabotage us and not play ball along with this. So I think, I'm not saying there aren't some leaks coming out of the Lakers. I don't think it's Magic Johnson talking to reporters tell them stuff.

But I do think mainly a lot of this is coming from the Pelicans camp. How come the Clippers can trade Blake and Chris Paul and Tobias Harris? And I don't hear anything. And why with the Lakers, I hear everything. Well, one, they may make stipulations. Like, look, if this gets out, you can forget it. So why wouldn't it? They may do stuff like that.

But two, there were different situations. This situation had to get ugly. like Anthony Davis has another year on his deal. It's not like he's a free agent this summer. Good point. So the only way for him to get to the Lakers was to cause a stir. He doesn't want to be the bad guy, but there was no other way to get out of there.

So this had to happen. But Joey and I have talked about this. Let's say it doesn't happen. So let me ask you this. It's not by tomorrow. It may happen this summer, but not by tomorrow. Okay. There's no way.

I mean, first of all, Dale Demps, you know how the league works. You've got advisors, guys, you came up under guys, you trust, you talk to in other teams. I'm told all executives around the league are telling him, you'd be crazy to do this by the deadline. And why would I, when Boston may be able to offer a better package, let's see what those picks are that they can offer me. When New York, I don't know that they would necessarily give up the number one or two pick if they get it.

But let's wait and see. Why do I have to do it now? get this Lakers package minus some of the veterans who are on one year deals in the summer. They will be just this desperate. All this notion that, oh, they'll have all the leverage in the summer. No, they won't.

LeBron James is not coming back for his 17th year, playing with a mediocre supporting cast that he knows cannot win a championship. So he will tell them in August, just like he's telling them now, get AD. Whatever it takes, get him. So I can get this in the summer.

Okay. But you're not I want a championship with AD. Okay, so LeBron and... You mean... AD and LeBron and everybody else has been traded every draft pick, every player, not winning a title in Reggie Bullock. So at some point, you need a third guy. Right.

Well, they would... First of all, those two are a heck of a foundation. And I don't think you necessarily need three, necessarily. If you got two stars and then good pieces that form around them, well, you're giving them all away. I think that's good. Now, I also think, and I'm going to throw this out there, just... Jimmy Butler, he's a guy that the Lakers should look at.

Because one, the Philadelphia getting Tobias Harris, that gives them insurance that if they don't want Jimmy Butler, I can still have a big three. Tobias is a better fit. Butler's a better player, but Tobias is a better shooter. Yeah. And he will spread the floor better with Ben Simmons. No drama. No drama. No drama.

Great kid, you know, and he'll accept being the third guy. and Jimmy's not going to have the market he thinks he is. Trust me. Like Chicago, Minnesota, Philadelphia. It's the same story that he's wreaking havoc in the locker room. And so he's not going to have that market. You look at the common thread in where he's been, Chicago, Minnesota, Philadelphia. All of them had, some of them had better players than him, but they were young.

They were much younger than him. They were guys he didn't have to come in and defer to. If he goes to the Lakers, he will. defer to LeBron James, both in the locker room and on the court. And I think it could work. LeBron's never shot away from tough personalities. J.R. Smith, Ray John Rondo, got Michael Beasley. So if I'm in the Lakers, they're not getting KD.

They're not getting Kyrie. They're not getting Clay. They're not getting Kauai. So if you can trade for Anthony Davis and then also get Jimmy Butler, there's a heck of a big thing. Okay. So you don't think the deal's happening on Thursday. No. So you tell me. So from February, March, and April,

Luke Walton has a team where the young guys feel like throw pillows, irrelevant pawns. LeBron, is LeBron going to give me 99%? No, I'm a waist of my legs. Luke Walton's done, right? Like, this is over. We all knew he'd be the scapegoat, and now it's setting up for him to be that.

I said a few weeks on here, remember, LeBron James is a gangster. Gangster. And what's one of his favorite movies? Godfather. So I'm sure he likes Michael Corleone and all that. We don't think of LeBron as a gangster because he's polished. He's not a killer like Kobe and Jordan. You know, he'll pass the ball on the court and all that.

But remember Michael Corleone, he had other, he was the brains behind it, but other guys were doing the dirty work. That's how LeBron is. And he knows because that's what it takes to win. Now, you can criticize him like most gangsters. He wreaks havoc. There's chaos. Everything is left in ruins when he's done, right?

But at the end of the day, he got two titles for Miami. He got one in Cleveland for the first time in 52 years in any sport. And he didn't used to be like this. I was around him a lot when he first was in Cleveland. And if it was Delante West, Sasha Vujic, Flip Murray, Anderson, Verjez, I'm going, these are my guys, we go into war. But he saw what that got him. 60-something wins in the regular season.

and out in the second or third round. I said this earlier to Joy. There's two LeBron's. There's the LeBron in Cleveland in the first three years in Miami. He was all in on teams. And then the last year in Miami, all of Cleveland and the Lakers, LeBron's part of a team. Right.

But he's not all in. He's got his empire. He's got his mission. He's got his worldview. He's got his businesses. I don't love that. Tom Brady is all in. Could I not criticize LeBron for Duke?

the first nine years of this career, win or lose, you were one of the guys. It doesn't feel like that. In the last year, Miami, Cleveland, L.A., LeBron has an agenda. Now, you're saying the agenda is titles. Well, he's obviously got many agendas. And you can see, I mean, he's been here.

Rob Parker, my partner on Eye Cup, always says he came here to be Merrill Streep, you know. And he's got a new TV show like every two weeks coming out. It is unbelievable. So that's an agenda, but also he does want to win championships. He's not playing for any other reason at this point. It's to win titles. And you're right. The one thing you said that I think is very strong is what's LeBron going to be like after the deadline if they don't get anybody else?

Like the other guys, and I do think this is in the back of LeBron's mind, because he knows it's human nature that it's tough for these young kids. he even said so last night. Yeah. But he's in the back of his mind, I'm sure he's thinking, look, this may not be the only time you're going to be in trade rumors. This, you may get traded several times in your career. Welcome to the world of business in basketball. The NBA basketball world is business.

And if you're not mentally tough enough to come back a week or two after the deadline, it may take a few games, okay, but if you're not mentally tough enough to come back a week or two after the deadline, and give your A game and play well and play despite feeling like I wanted a superstar who we know is better than you, then we're wasting our time anyway. You're not cut out to be a championship player. You're not cut out to be a star in this league because everybody has to play through drama and feeling unwanted and things like that in this league, all but maybe the top tier superstars.

You know, so players around Kobe Bryant had to do it. Players around Michael Jordan had to do it. So I think that that's what LeBron's thinking. We're going to see what these kids are made of. I know it's ugly. I know it's tough. But they got to have the heart and the toughness to play through it after the deadline. That was very well said.

Thank you. You almost swayed me on that. That was very well said. That was kind of a refere. You don't agree, though. No, I do. I think I do agree. I think it was very well said.

Let me think about that. Let me. All right. I gave you a lead for tomorrow. Oh, great third hour live. This is The Hurt, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. I'm an IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. I have coming up, Greg CoSell is going to wrap a bow on the Super Bowl, so he's got a couple of plays to look at.

I have got an amazing, let me work on this during the commercial break. I just made a call. I have got an amazing NBA trade to make. Like that you created? Well, I think it's very realistic. I think something, you know the NBA player I like that I keep saying is the most underrated player. Bradley Beal. Bradley Beal.

What do, John Wall just got hurt. What do the Wizards need? Point guard. Lonzo Ball. KCP. First round pick. Josh Hart. You want to make a deal?

Get Bradley Beal here? I mean, listen. Bottom line is, you can still get Anthony. If you don't get anything, second, or whatever. You gave up on it already. I was just so excited. You just hug yourself out of it. All right.

Plus, coming up later, there's only one thing that can keep the Warriors from winning a title, and I'll tell you what that is in best for last. But first, the Lakers got obliterated last night. They got embarrassed last night in Indiana, missing Victor Oladipo. And frankly, I understand why. If you were told as Kyle Kuzma, Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart, Brandon Ingram, your whole life, AAU, high school, college, you were really good. And you got to the NBA and people said, you have a chance to be really special. And then you found out in the paper and on blogs and on the internet, you're basically an end table in the world of furniture.

You're a throw pillow. You don't matter. You're a pawn. You're irrelevant. Yeah, I'm guessing you wouldn't be motivated to play either. this has been embarrassing. It's embarrassing for the Lakers who are obviously leaking stuff to protect their brand to prove to their fans, we're trying, we're trying, we're trying to prove to LeBron,

we're trying, we're trying to get you a star. And obviously clutch sports, LeBron's camp is leaking stuff because they want to make sure their guy knows and everybody knows they're trying to get this, they're putting pressure on the Lakers, I've got to get this puppy done, I want to get Anthony Davis out of New Orleans. I mean, some ugliness is inevitable if you want to get Anthony Davis out of New Orleans. I mean, it was bound to get a little ugly, but this is Titanic-level stuff. It's awful. Welcome, I guess, to the new LeBron business.

There's literally competing factions within the Lakers now. There are pictures on the Internet. People at the game last night taking a picture of the Laker bench. LeBron to the corner, other players over here. Rondo apparently's daughter was in town. He's sitting with the fans. it is a mess. And oh, by the way,

the Clippers traded a very good player last night. Tobias Harris to the Sixers. He's a very nice player. But you know what's interesting about that? You didn't hear a word about it. And he didn't hear a word when Star Chris Paul went to the Rockets either. And you didn't hear a word when Blake Griffin went to the Pistons either. Because Jerry West is a professional.

Jerry West is quiet. Jerry West is a pro's pro. You didn't hear a peep when Chris Paul, a star got traded. Blake Griffin, a star got traded. Last night, Tobias Harris hits a game-winning shot last night for the Clippers, wakes up, he's been traded. It's like a bank robbery. You wake up, you go to the bank, where's the money?

I mean, because the Clippers now are the well-run organization. That's not leaking stuff. I mean, Magic Johnson, stay off Jimmy Kim. last night's 42 point loss is a direct result of the mayhem and the chaos and the dysfunction right now. Stay off late night shows. Stop calling up blogs and NBA guys to protect your brand. For the record, when the New England Patriots acquired Randy Moss, nobody knew it the second until it happened. When the New England Patriots traded Jimmy Garapolo, We were all shocked.

There was no tip-off to the media. Okay? The reality is it doesn't matter if it's the White House or an NBA team. If there's leaks, it's not well run. And it's not a very good sign. Of course, LeBron afterwards, this is the LeBron slight of hand. LeBron's saying, hey, I know it's tough on a lot of our guys, especially our young guys.

They're hearing it every single day. you got to stay off social media. You know, young guys love social media. So, you know, I definitely, they got to stay off social media. LeBron acting as if, yes, I mean, I have no part of this. I'm just watching this unfold. I have nothing to do with this, of course. And like LeBron's not on social media all day as well.

Keep your business private. I can tell a well-run business by what gets out. Everything on this trade has gotten out. Let me shift gears to this. I've been very tough on Sean McVey coach of the Rams. I said during the season, I like him, but let's wait to coronate him, you know, Vince Lombardi. Let's wait to coronate him, Bill Belichick.

Let's just, he was in a playoffs last year. He lost. Let's slow down on the Sean McVeigh. I think he's really talented kid. In my business, I see talented 30-year-olds all the time. Let's not turn him into, you know, Rachel Maddow, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh. Let's slow down a little bit here. And then when Sean McVeigh lost this past weekend, I said I thought he got out-coached.

And I think he has a certain system. He doesn't adapt necessarily well. He will over time. He's a smart guy. He's a good listener. He's a good coach. But there's a piece of film out this morning that people are just dissecting and making way too much of. So let me defend him.

Here's the piece of film. And people think Sean McVeigh is just too fawning before the game to Bill Ballicheck. So much respect for you. He's done a great job. You always do, though. You're the best, man. The way that you guys are able to shift your identity and really still be able to figure it out.

I mean, week in and week out, it's unbelievable, man. Really, so much respect for you and the way you do it, man. You're what's right about coaching. Thank you. Appreciate you, coach. Now was 12 seconds. What did you want him to do? Trash talk to Belichick?

Not talk to Belichick? By the way, that's how a young announcer treats Vin Scully when he meets him. That's how young NBA players treat Kobe Bryant for 12. seconds when they meet him. That's how many young quarterbacks when they are on the field for the first time and they see Tom, they go over like, hey man, I've been watching you forever. You're awesome, dude. Totally respect your game. That's what I've done going up to a young Bob Costas years ago, 30 years ago. What did you want him to do? Trash talk him? Bill Belichick's the greatest football coach of our lives. One of the reason Sean McVeigh is an amazing young football coach is because he's watched.

he's watched Belichick and he's watched Bill Walsh and he's watched Jimmy Johnson and he's taken stuff from him so when he sees him before the big of his game of his career and walks up to him for 10 to 12 seconds what do you want him to do?

In the NBA, I see the guys all have the same agents over here at UCLA. Westbrook works out with KD, works out with LeBron, works out all off season. I see this stuff all the time. I see all the time in sports

people going up and saying, hey man, you don't think young quarterbacks before they face Peyton Manning and on the football field didn't walk up and say, hey man, so much respect for you. You're the best there's ever been, man. I love you. You think that decided the football game.

Sean McVan, Bill Belichick, looked at tape, and I'm guessing here for 35 to 45 hours. But you think that 12 seconds determine the game. That's what Ray Lewis, love him, but here's what he said on showtime last night. Games already lost. Games are the loss. I mean, Hold on, guys.

This is not preseason. You get into a championship game. Your mentality of your leader dictates what your troops do. Even if I think it, I'm not sharing it right there. I can't share it right here. Even if I think it, I'm going to let him, because I got to let my guys know. They hear what he and they believe. Stop, Ray, stop.

Football games are not decided by 12 seconds before the game. Ram players didn't even know about that. Now, Ray is a defensive player. Defensive players are very emotional. Their job in a football game is to blow stuff up, knock people over. So defensive players are very much about high emotion. Your arrival. I'm knocking you out.

I'm making you hurt. I'm making you wins. I'm blowing up your plays. That's Ray Lewis. That's how defensive players see games. Offensive players don't. Offensive coaches steal stuff from one another. Offense is about unity.

choreography, being unified, being under control, taking the emotion out of it. Tom Brady doesn't want to be too jacked up, so he's sailing throws. Ray Lewis wants to run through a wall. Defense and offensive guys have a different mentality. I've heard this from GMs for years. Defensive guys, it's almost like you like them having a little screw loose. Lawrence Taylor, sometimes you're like, is that guy? all there? You want your quarterback to have it all there.

This is not why the Rams lost. This is how people who are young and talented and driven and who have had posters on walls, and they've had these huge dreams, and then they face Kobe, and then they face Muhammad Ali, and then they face Tony Larusa, and they face Bill Belichick, and they meet Vin Scully or Al-Micha or Jim and they come up and they're like,

hey man, this is weird, man. I'm going to watch and you're the very best at what you do. Do you want him to trash talk him, ignore him? Yo, sup. Sean McVeigh did. What I do, you do, and players and coaches and executives have been doing forever. Greg Kosell, film guy, NFL films, wraps a bowl in the Super Bowl. A couple of things that really jumped out to him.

can't wait for this. Plus, buy, seller, hold, and my crazy trade idea, I'm going to get further into that, Joy. I'm very excited. You know, I love Bradley Beal. You do. You've been pushing for this for a while. And the Wizards are done as a franchise, so let's start over. John Wall's not going to be available for a year and a half. Go get Lonzo ball. Go get Lonzo ball. You need a shooter, and the Lakers have Lonzo, and they also have KCP, so you get a back court, and Lonzo, by the way, can play, and you need a point guard in this league, and then throw in Josh Hart, a first round. I'd give you a couple picks.

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We've had a real winter out here. Rain and Christ. Snow in the West is just incredible. Mammoth, Utah, Colorado. We're getting snow everywhere, New Mexico. Well, we're in Southern California. We're not getting snow. Well, I'm going to it pretty quick.

I'll tell you that. You're going for leisure. John had frost on his car this morning. It was very cold this morning. Very cold. My car temperature said 40 degrees. That's legit cold. That's our problems.

Most of America's got bigger problems. For sure. NFL filmed some 35 years, a guy I lean on to give me the truth about football. Now the NFL season is over. He's our friend Greg Kosell and he's joining us. So, you know, there is this. there's this kind of, you know, criticism, Greg, of McVeigh. They never ran the football, only 17, 18 times.

Then there's the argument he said, which is, you know, first five series. We ran it on first down. There was nothing there. When you looked at it, should they have pounded the ball more? Was there anything open? What do you make of the Rams' lack of running game? I think you have to look at it from the other side of the ball, Colin, because to me, watching the tape, this was about the Patriots defense and what they did.

and what they did on early downs, down and normal down and distance approach, and they had a long yardage and third down, down in distance. They played essentially a six-one front. They had six across the line of scrimmage with one stacked backer. The point of that was to take away the Rams foundational staple outside zone run game. So they did that. And then in the secondary, they played what we call cover four or quarter because it gets the safeties involved in the run game, if need be,

but they're also obviously past defenders in perfect position to take away the play-action pass game and all the in-breaking routes that are another staple of the first-down play-action pass game of the Rams. So what Belichick did was absolutely brilliant in terms of taking away the two-rely-down, first-down big play concepts, which is the outside zone run game and the play-action pass game within breaking routes. You know, I never thought Jared Goff was quite as comfortable without Cooper Cop. Then you alleviate Todd Gurley, and he's a young quarterback that didn't have enough weapons. He looked like his ball. He just wasn't quite tight.

When you looked at the films, was Goff awful? What is he okay? What do you make of him? Well, I think Jared Goff, and we've talked about this a number of times over the last seven, eight, nine weeks. He's a very programmed quarterback. The reeds and the throws need to be presented for him. That worked exceptionally well in 2017. It worked very well through much of this season.

One could argue that Cup was losing things changing. But over the last part of the season, even through the playoffs, it was not presented as clearly to him. Defense has probably started to get a better read on McVeigh's offense. And at this point, his career had become better as a late-in-the-down-pocket player where he can go through reads and progressions when the primary is not defined clearly. I thought one of the things the Rams did a good job of,

a real staple for New England is throwing to running backs. James White was a non-factor. They made it very difficult. Now, conversely, Edelman was not only open. He was often wide open. Why did Edelman have so much success? It appeared, Greg, he was uncoverable. I mean, opened by three, four, five yards often.

And zone, and again, zone, you can, man, He ran some great, great routes, both from the outside and from inside, and he has such tremendous body control. I mean, I don't think anybody is as good. What they do with him is so often in what we call tight motion. It gives him a free release, and then he uses his versionally well to create separation, and he's just a master at that. Yeah, no, we're watching some highlights here.

Was it as big a coaching mismatch, as everybody said? it looked like one team adapted late, one team did not. Did it feel like to you, if I would not have told you who was in the game and who the coaches were? Would you have said, yeah, the team wearing white really adapted well and appeared well, coach, and the team in the blue did not? Belichick did was absolutely, what he did was brilliant. Yet you can look at individual plays that if they were made, we might be looking at a different conversation. I mean, that play wide open in the end zone was actually a really interesting play

because that was what happened in the game, because the Patriots disguised their coverage. They started out in what was cover three, and it was play action, and Goff turned his back, and then they rotated to, and Goff was late to recognize the change and what his read was, and therefore he was late throwing the ball to Cooks

because the Patriots actually busted the coverage. And the other thing that struck me on that throw, and it was something I spoke about when he came out of Cal, is I thought that ball hung. That ball lost a lot of energy on the back end, and he was clean in the pocket. Jason McCordy obviously made a great play, but he should never have been a factor in the play.

I want to go to your big play. This is Brady to Gronk and lay it out for our audience. Well, this was that touchdown drive, and what they did really, really well on that drive was they went with what we call 22 personnel, something they had not done very much in the game, two backs, two tight ends, and they went empty. And they did that on three consecutive plays,

and the Grankowski play was the third of the three points. plays. So we're going to start with that play. Everybody remembers this. It was arguably the biggest play in the game, getting them down in scoring position. Kowski on the seam route down inside the five-yard line. This play started with Edelman in motion across the formation, something they do a lot, a lot of motion with Edelman. But they ran basically, and what they did is they took Edelman from inside, and he ran kind of a juke route or a jerk route. So he was the inside route here, Trout on the outside. And then they took Grancowski just inside of Burkhead, and he ran a seam route.

So they did this three plays in a row, and actually Brady hit Edelman on the first play, Burkhead on the second play, and now Granc. But here, the Rams got a little confused. Littleton was late to get to his assignment of Grankowski, and Brady was able to make a great throw. But this was an adjustment they clearly made in the fourth quarter for this drive, where they went to 22 personnel, two backs, two tight ends, out of empty, and they went three consecutive plays with the same route concept. By the way, most people thought the game was boring.

When you looked at film, were you fascinated by elements of it? Fascinated by the defense on both sides. I thought Wade Phillips did announce. Brady was not really pressured, but Brady struggled at times to quickly decipher what he was seeing, and that got him stuck in the pocket. So I thought Wade Phillips did an outstanding job as well. For someone like me, Colin, watching the tape of this game, and I spent about eight hours yesterday watching both sides of the ball,

I thought this was fascinating. You know, see, Greg Cole and I liked the game. I thought it was really enjoyable. You and I both did. Greg, it's great talking to you again. Colin, I appreciate it. Thank you. 1-800 Flowers.com, Valentine's a no-brainer,

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So the Nick Foles era is one step closer to ending in Philadelphia. The Eagles notified Nick Foles that they would be picking up the option of his $20 million contract for next season. Adam Schaefter reported Foles would be opting out of the deal. Foles opting out of the $20 million deal leaves the Eagles with two options. Let him walk in free agency

place the franchise tag on him. They will likely place the franchise tag on him as it's the only way they will ensure that they get something back for his departure. And there are a couple bidders, the Jags, the Dolphins, the Giants, Redskins, Broncos are at all, at least vaguely in the quarterback market. I don't think that the dolphins will do something like this

because I think that Prime Flores probably wants to draft someone. Although, who knows? And I think that Nick Foles would be great in Washington they have a bad situation with Alex Smith. Yeah, he knows that that's not bad. Washington's good. He knows the Philly personnel gives them a little insider info. I like that.

Broncos as well. Who knows what the Broncos are going to end up doing? And I don't know that the Jags can do much with Blake Bordell's contract. But Nick Fultz is going to end up being successful for someone somewhere. And I really, I don't know. If I'm an Eagles fan, I just don't know how to feel about this situation. You just buy a low, sell high. It's time to sell.

full stock. You have to do this to your portfolio all the time. You're just selling the stock. It's never going to get higher. So let it go. He's not a superstar. I mean, do you sell the stock if your other, like, main stock drops off the face of the planet? Once a year. You gave up a bunch of picks to get Carson Wentch. You better not bail on him now. And he was an MVP candidate. You can't bail on him, but do you feel comfortable? Yes, I do. I feel very comfortable with him. I do. You and I are different. Maybe I'm just more loyal. I mean, I'm not saying bail on Carson wins. I'm just saying you better draft a quarterback. Well, that's fine. I'm fine with the loyalty. You're already out on him. I don't know. I'm just saying

one more injury. And what is he? Well, one more injury. What's LeBron? This is his first major injury. A few more gray's hair. What am I? I mean, we're all aging. I mean, you're just a bailer. Oh, man. I mean, I just think it's very, you're cute. He was an MVP a year ago. You can at least admit that it's strange what's going on with Nick Foles and Carson Wendt. There's some uniqueness to it, but he's still a great talent. Wentz is a great talent. Well, you will get the opportunity to prove that to us more than you. Even though the Lakers suffered their worst defeat of the season, there was still something to celebrate for LeBron.

He became the fifth player in NBA history to reach 32,000 career points. And he was very proud. He posted on Instagram. Still can't believe when I'm listed with the greatest of the greats to ever play this beautiful game. the man above, thank you so much for picking me up and out of where I came from, making me see what was my path out of it and taking full advantage of it. This is crazy to me. Don't even have anything else to say because so much is going through my mind right now,

guess all I can say is thank you basketball. Hashtag strived for greatness because that makes it official. I would have liked that probably more if it wasn't on the same day. They got belted by 42 points. And the worst. Yeah. Like I would not do the individual thing right now. I don't think it was the time for it.

It could probably be paid. is a little tone deaf considering the situations surrounding the Lakers. If there was a rumor out there that seven people on this staff were going to be traded, and because I won some internet award, I went to Instagram and said, congratulations to me, I had quite a day on the internet. It probably wouldn't be the right day to do it. It's not the most self-aware posts. Thank you.

I'll give you that. Not that Instagram is really created for anything except for self-promotion. But it is a great accomplishment. It just kind of feels like it's... You can't really celebrate it because of the situation surrounding the Lakers. Finally, LeBron proclaimed himself the greatest of all time after beating the 2016 Warriors team that won 73 games. And Kevin Durant thought that beating LeBron in the 2017 finals

would put him in the conversation to overtake LeBron, according to Ethan Schoss with the athletic. Teammates have said Durant believed that his best thing of LeBron in 2017 finals will get him hailed as the game's top player, a mantle he has craved for seven. some time. Now, you and I had a little disagreement about this earlier. I just feel like when, what does Durant have to do to get in the conversation? If Kobe Bryant had won six, not five, would he be better than LeBron? No.

LeBron is the best player of his generation. Durant will never be LeBron ever. Doesn't matter if he wins three more titles. He's never going to. Three more? And he was any time out. Bill Russell's got 11. Do we think he's better than MJ? It can all be titles. No, but I mean, at some point, you're playing alongside. Like, LeBron is, you're going against him. You beat him into two finals. But it's not like it's Tom Brady's got six and Brett Farv's got one. If LeBron's got three and Kevin Durant now has two, right?

So let's say he wins two more and he's got four to LeBron's three. Let's say he wins one this year, which we're assuming he will. So he and LeBron have three. Okay, but I would agree LeBron is still the best. Now let's say he goes to New York and wins two more. Oh, God. Slow down. That is crazy talk.

You've got him winning two titles with a Knicks. I mean, who's going to stop him? And then Jimmy Butler. If he goes to New York with Kyrie? Goes to Phoenix and they win a bunch of titles. I'm just saying, is there anything that Durant can do? No. Nothing.

Nothing. Even if he just went on some crazy streak and beat all of the records that LeBron has. Nope. LeBron's better. All stats, influence, impact. more skills, not as, just more dominant. Durant's a better pure score. All right.

That's something. By the way, I have Durant second. It's not like I've got him as an old Oldsmobile. I've got him number two. Yeah, I don't think that that's what he wants. I think he feels like if you're not first or the last. Yeah, he's still a Maserati. He's just not a Lamborghini.

Well, that's a matter of preference. I'm just, Durant's got to get over this whole thing. You're not, listen, when Allie was in his prime, Joe Frazier was close. He was never going to be Ali. Peyton Manning was pretty close. Never going to be Tom. That's fine.

I don't know with that. A lot of poor radio guy is never going to be me. It's so sad for him. I'm such a jerk. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news.

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I'm your stockbroker. Buy, sell or hold the stock. Time to buy. Colin will decide if he'll buy it. Sell. Or hold. All right, John. Buy sell or hold.

The Rams will be back in the Super Bowl next season. Well, not since 1974. Minnesota Vikings, actually. I remember that team. has an NFC team lost in the Super Bowl and gotten back. Now, just think about that. And that was the Purple People Leaders, Fran Tarkington. Those were the great Minnesota Viking teams.

It's been since the mid-70s, since an NFC team, lost it and got back. And the other thing is, six of the last 12 final four teams missed the playoffs the last season. Their offensive lines getting old. Their division with Garoppolo getting healthy now. And San Francisco emerging is a very well. well-coached team with some nice strengths. John, sell, sell, sell. Yeah, the Rams will be good next year.

I do not see in the highly competitive NFC them returning to the Super Bowl. Bicelyer Holt, the Patriots, will draft Tom Brady's replacement in the first round. The highest they've ever drafted a quarterback, Belichick anyway, was Jimmy Garapolo, and he was the 62nd overall. Now, Belichick has drafted a lot of quarterback. but I don't think there's a quarterback worthy of drafting for their 12 picks in the first or second round. I do believe they got a kid named Danny Etling is a seventh rounder from LSU will be their third guy as a scout team guy. I think they're going to go get somebody.

They think they can develop. I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't go back and get a Jacoby Brissette. But I do not, John. Sell, sell, sell. I don't think it's a first round pick. Kyler Murray, to go from Brady to Kyler Murray is just a different style completely. You'd have to rebuild things differently, and I don't think that's Belichick's M.O. By seller hold, Aaron Rogers will not play in another Super Bowl.

Now, first of all, Green Bay has missed the playoffs the last two years. The Chicago Bears are good young, have an elite coach and a great young general manager in Ryan Pace. And the Packers were a 6-9-1 team last year. I just think it comes down to this. Matt Lafleur is his new coach. I don't think they have as good a coach as the Bears. I know they're not even close defensively. And frankly, defense and coaching, as we just watched in the Super Bowl, just won the Super Bowl.

Defense and Belichick. So, John... Buy, bye, bye! I think Aaron can win a division, but I don't think... I think he's going to struggle in division the next several years. By Seller-hold, Baker Mayfield will lead the brink. Browns to the playoffs in 2019. Well, they haven't made the playoffs in 16 years, and we should acknowledge that Baker had a

nice year, but he was six and seven. And I know a lot of people are very, very excited for the Browns. But remember now, Ravens get a camp and a year with Lamar Jackson starting. The Steelers are going to move off, my guess, you know, Antonio Brown. They'll get picks for that or players. This is still a division that's been dominated by the two best run organizations, Baltimore and Pittsburgh, and this league is about top down. I like Baker, but nobody would have offered Freddie Kitchens a head coaching job.

This organization's got a lot of egos from owner to GM. John, sell, sell, sell. They're not a playoff team. I think they're better. I think they're around 500. I think they're fun. I think they're a good team to watch. I don't see a playoff in that division.

I think they've got too many losses in that division. By seller hold, Russell Westbrook will win a playoff series without Kevin Durant for the first time. Well, if you've noticed since we hammered him, Westbrook has become much more willing to share. He was averaging 21 and a half shots a game. Ever since we crushed him nine games ago, he's gone down to 13 shots a game. He is relinquishing the big shot to Paul George, who is clearly the better player right now. And the Thunder are also playing real defense. Paul George is an excellent defensive player.

he's a two-way guy. They're number one in defensive efficiency in the West. So John... Bye, bye, bye! No, I think Russell Westbrook and Paul George and Steve Adams, I think they win a playoff series this year. I absolutely do. I like the way they play defense. I think they're much better with Paul George on the defensive end.

Last one, buy seller hold. The Warriors will be the first team to go undefeated in a postseason. No team has ever gone 16 and no, including the Shaq and Kobe Lakers. And I think it's not that the West is loaded. I think apathy is a real thing, and I think there's a stat here that bears it out.

The Golden State Warriors, offense is what they do. Defense for them is a hobby. They just do it occasionally. They are 20th in the NBA and points allowed. And that's not just because of their offensive pace. That's because they treat defense. It's kind of a half-to-half basis, whether they're interested or not. So, John, sell, sell.

They'll be a night after they take a two-oh, least. leading a series where they just mail it in defensively. They also don't have a great bench. They're the best offensive team I've ever seen. It's a so-so bench. And defensively, they give you a great effort occasionally, not continually. And so I think that'll catch them in a game or two. Coming up next.

Oh, pop quiz time. Colin the Herds pop quiz time. Play along. You know who's on our show tomorrow, Lovar Ball? his son has been the big discussion in terms of trade rumors. And I told you this earlier. I think a fascinating one. The Washington Wizards just lost John Wall for a year and a half.

And they have Bradley Beale. And you've got to rebuild. I mean, this franchise is going nowhere. It's done. Get some picks. Get some new players. If I'm Washington, I need a point guard for the next year and a half. Get Lonzo Ball.

He can sell some tickets. In a franchise that doesn't frankly sell tickets, Lonzo is a great passer and then Bradley Beal to the Lakers adds the only thing that makes sense to me and then bring KCP to be the fill in for Bradley Beal get picks you know if you had to throw in somebody like a Kyle Kuzma

then do it Lanzo ball Kyle Kuzma What are you going to use to get Anthony Davis? Well at the end of the year you're not going to the bidding war for Anthony Davis when the season's over and Anthony Davis said I'm only playing for one team who's going to go out and get him who's going to sign Anthony Davis?

David when he said, I'm just going to be a Laker. If I'm the Lakers, I get the third guy, then I go after Anthony Davis, because Anthony Davis didn't go anywhere but Los Angeles. They can keep leaking it that he has a bunch of teams that he's interested in. He's already told he's not going to Boston. And by the way, do you think he wants to go, you know, you start looking around the league. You think he wants to go to Milwaukee? He wants to go to Los Angeles.

I've been told he likes Los Angeles. It's not just LeBron. He likes L.A. He likes being out here. All right. Staff's going to put me on the spot with the pop quiz. Good news is I get to choose the correct answers. So let's play pop quiz.

All right, Colin, here's your first question. Okay. The Super Bowl MVP should have been A, Julian Edelman, B, a member of the Patriots defense, or C, anyone who managed to sit through the entire game. Now, again, the game, if you love football was fun. Edelman had 141 receiving yards. That's the third most this century. Listen, the defenses were both great.

I mean, the Rams defense was great. There was one offensive player who shined in an offensive league. Edelman had almost 150 yards, and it wasn't that he was just open. He was wide open. I thought he was the deciding factor, not Brady. Even the Patriots pass rush. It's not like Jared Gough didn't have open Brandon Cooks in the Ed Zone. The pass rush was good.

It wasn't that dominant. So Edelman's the answer. I guess correct because you made up this game. Yeah. Next question. The Rams lost the Super Bowl because, A, they were the less experienced team. B, they didn't give the ball to Gurley, or C, they were emotionally scarred by Adam Levine's shirtless halftime show. Yeah, that was weird, wasn't it?

Taking his shirt off and stuff? Where do those rock stars get their T-shirts? I've never seen any store that has any of the stuff they ever wear. You ever know? I go looking for it. I never find it. Oh, you wanted that tank up? You go looking for Adam Levine's T-shirts?

And a California tad across my stomach. By the way, this was Sean McVey. The answer, of course, is A. They were the least experienced team. This was Sean McVeigh's fourth playoff game. This was Bill Belichick's 42nd playoff game. I thought it was a clear case between Brady and Belichick, Gough and McVeigh, of people who had been there before just having the savvy and experience on that big fourth quarter drive

when the Patriots blew up their game plan, when Brady went in, had he not practiced it, the answer's A. The more experienced team won. The only thing that can stop the warriors from winning the title is A, the Oklahoma City Thunder,

B, the Houston Rockets, or C, an asteroid plummeting to Earth and destroying life as we know it. It is B, the Houston Rockets, who are currently fifth in the West, which is pretty remarkable, considering they haven't had Chris Paul and Clint Capella and even Eric Gordon's missed some time.

Listen, they are, I don't think, perfectly built to beat the Warriors. But I don't think anybody is. But they are built to beat the Warriors. Since New Year's Day, the NBA's top three scoring teams are the Warriors Rockets and the Thunder. But I think they have better matchups than OKC does. They've got two offensive players in Chris Paul James Harden. Clint Capella is a gamer. Gordon can play as well.

and Dantoni's system last year gave the Warriors trouble. So the answer is the rockets are the one thing. Don't think it'll happen, but they are the one thing that can stop the Warriors from winning a title. I also would have accepted C because an asteroid would also in theory stop the Warriors. That would end it. I mean like overnight, yeah. Okay, last question. LeBron's first season with the Lakers has been A, less than ideal, B, a total disaster, or C, really great content for our show, so please keep it up.

This could be A and C, but I'll go with A. It's been less than ideal. Now, I will say, so far, it's been less than ideal. Before LeBron got hurt, they were on their way to winning 48 games, and I still think they have tradable assets. KCP's contract, tradable, Lonzo Kyle Ingram. They are assets, though Lonzo's injuries, I think, have hurt him on the market. In the end, they're not Memphis.

Let's not go crazy. They're not the wizards. They're not stuck with John Wall's contract for the next four years, and he's not even going to play. It has been less than ideal, and I still think eventually they land over time, Anthony Davis. Over time, it's going to happen. That's what I think.

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