The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Odell Show Gets Going

Episode Date: July 22, 2019

On today's episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, Colin explains why Bill Belichick is the biggest coaching advantage in all of sports, admits where he was right and wrong over the past weekend, and takes a look at what Brett Favre had to say about Baker Mayfield and Patrick Mahomes. GQ Writer Mark Anthony Green, who just did a feature on Odell Beckham Jr. comes in studio to talk about Odell's sensitivity, his happiness, and if he'll work with the Browns!  Colin is also joined by Doug Gottlieb, Reggie Bush, and TJ Houshmanzadeh for all the biggest news as NFL Training Camp kicks off! All this, and much more!  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is The Herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. We're live in Los Angeles on IHart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1, one hour from now on Monday, where Colin was right, where Colin is wrong. There is plenty of both, and Joy Taylor is joining me this morning, as always. Joy, how was your weekend, by the way? you went out east. I went to Pittsburgh, yes, went home to see the family. This is my nephew's 16th birthday yesterday.

Happy birthday, Sam. By the way, it's a heat wave out there. It was every bit of a northeast humid weekends. Like the unbearable, just walk outside and you're just immediately sweating. Like, it's so hot, you don't want to speak to each other. It was so humid, but it was nice to be home, though. Yeah, I think that's, I think our friends in the Northeast, I think that's breaking today. I don't think, I think the heat wave.

is the Midwest had it, then it moved to the Northeast. It is one of those. We get one or two a summer, just disgusting four or five days of unbearable heat. So the good news is for our friends out east, it is moving on, I think, in the next 24 hours. I was, it's football season, right? And I didn't grow up a Patriot fan. I did not. I grew up in the Pacific Northwest.

I bounced around the country. I lived in Florida. I've lived in Nevada. Then it was Connecticut. but one of the things I've said is I didn't grow up a Patriot fan, but I became a fan of the way they do business. It is football for smart people. And I've watched a lot of football in my life,

a lot of college and a lot of pro, and I'd never seen football that was as smart as the way New England does it. They've always got a purpose. Every, every play, every series, every game, every month. And they kind of keep rinsing and repeating. September is their experimental month. Thanksgiving is the kind of the, point of the season where they tighten up the screws and they play great football. They just

keep doing it over and over and over again. And they continue to have doubters. Belichick has just created a system. Brady's a system quarterback. But Tony Romo was talking about Bill Belichick this weekend. And Romo had his first year in the booth for CBS. Romo did a great job. And Romo was talking about Belichick and how, and this is something to say because Romo is a student of the game. Romo's a smart guy. Romo's a home run as an announcer. I think he's surprised. even the people that thought he would be good. He was great. And he talked about Belichick and how he's different than other people in football. When I'm around him, I learn. And that's really a joy when you can really learn something more about football with people around. We have people that can

teach you the game after you've been studying for 15, 20 years. That's a really, that's a joy. I mean, I honestly learn every time I'm around him. He's really, really special. I have a couple of friends who are very close with Belichick. One, in fact, vacations with Bill. And they always say the same thing. Bill's a very curious person. His mom spoke multiple languages. His dad sort of created scouting.

He had very academic, very cerebral parents. And they created a very cerebral little boy who is a studier and a reader and he's curious and he's always growing and he doesn't rest on his laurels. He's uniquely built to be a great coach. He's super creative and super curious. Credit his mother and credit his father and credit the household. They created that. I think what we have with Belichick, and we don't want to admit it because we love football and football is the sport of hope, right?

We all have a chance to win. Like 22 of the 32 teams can make an argument and they can win the Super Bowl. It doesn't work that way in the NBA, baseball, MLS, hockey. And I think we have the greatest gap in the history of any sport in coaching. Think about how great Coach Kay is, right? Now think about this at Duke. Coach K's great. He's so great in college, we let him coach our pros in the Olympics.

And in 15 years, with massive talent advantages at Duke, they've been to two final fours. We think Nick Saban's great. Nick Saban, because you can recruit 25 new first rounders every year in college, with massive talent advantages in his career, it's 14 and 10 in bowl games. And after they lose to Clemson this year, they'll be 14 and 11. in 25 bowl games. We saw Bill Belichick, the greatest football coach ever,

against the best young football coach in the Super Bowl. It was a clinic. It was embarrassing for Sean McVeigh. It was a clinic. Fans in the media get so enamored with talent. When has New England ever had the best talent? One time, 2007, they had the best personnel in the league on offense. They went 16 and 0 and broke every record.

You really think when Freddie Kitchens and Belichick meet in week eight this year, it's a fair fight? Really? When Belichick was winning his first Super Bowl, Freddie Kitchens was the running back coach at North Texas. It's not a fair fight. Even Hall of Fame coaches, and Mike Tomlin will be a Hall of Fame coach,

appear outmatched. Even young coaches, we think, are excellent, Anthony Lin of the Chargers, flummoxed. In 20 years, there are only two coaches that have truly given, Bill Belichick trouble. Number one, Andy Reed in the regular season and number two, Tom Coughlin in the postseason.

Outside of that, even when he went up against Pete Carroll in a Super Bowl, or Mike Tomlin, and those are first ballot Hall of Fame guys, Tony Dungies. It felt like he was sort of on a different level. Sean McBan, the Super Bowl, on a completely different level. So we look at these great coaches. in sports, as great as Shoshchowski is, with talent advantages, as great as Sabin is, with massive talent and money advantages from the SEC.

They don't dominate like Bill Belichick does. Who's going to win what? His 12th? That of the last 13 years he's going to win his division. Have a buy host a playoff game. I mean, there was a moment last year. Remember when the Rams played the chiefs in the Coliseum, a thousand yards. of that game. It's the craziest football game I've ever seen. There were 105 points,

and there were 8, over 1,000 yards. They were the two most explosive offenses all year. Bill Belichick, who's a defensive coach, his history is in defense, played the Chiefs and the Rams. Combined, they scored zero points in the first half. And that's the game plan, part of a football game. Second halfs, you can make adjustments, but who's got more depth? Who's got more power? Who's got better players? First half is a game plan. We're going to unveil it.

The Chiefs and the Rams in the Super Bowl combined. Those two played New England. Could not score a point. Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid, Tyree Kill, Travis Kelsey couldn't score a point. Robert Woods, Jared Gough, Sean McVeigh, Andrew Whitworth, Todd Gurley. couldn't score a point combined against Belichick's game plans in the first half. There's never been a gap in coaching in any sport, any level, like Belichick and the rest of the NFL. At 930, we're going to have a young man who wrote a piece on O'Dell Beckham for Gentleman Quarterly.

His name is Mark Anthony Green. It's a fascinating article, and I'd like to talk about it for a couple of minutes. It talks about a bunch of stuff. but I've said before, I think Odell Beckham and Cleveland is going to work initially. I have questions about how it works long term. And the reason being is Cleveland in the off season just added to their strengths and didn't solve their weaknesses. Their weakness was their offensive line.

Their strengths were running back and wide receiver. Well, they just added really great players in both of those. And I do have questions long term. After reading this article, Odell Beckham. has certain stats he wants to reach, like 23,000 yards. He has no chance to reach that if Jarvis Landry is on the other side of the field. Jarvis Landry is a 90-catch wide receiver. That's what he averages.

He's a four straight pro bowl, 90-catch a year receiver. Call in their friends. There's an old saying, friends don't let friends drive drunk. Friends also don't let friends have 45 of their catches. It just doesn't work that way. James Harden and Russell Westbrook could be friends. Friends don't give the ball and 17 points a night up to their friends. These are short careers.

So the interview is fascinating. Odell Beckham is very aware of certain statistical goals he wants to reach and he has no chance to reach them because the guy who's his friend, Jarvis Landry, is a 90-catch fledgling star, wide receiver and a volume catcher. He ain't given 40 catches up to O'Dell Beckham, and they've got the best young tight-in football, and they've got three legitimate running backs. So Cleveland, in baseball, the Dodgers need bullpen help.

They wouldn't go get another starter. In basketball, the Utah Jazz needed a point guard that could shoot and an outside guy that could shoot. That's what the Utah Jazz acquired. In basketball, you find pieces you don't have. In baseball, you fill up. up the bullpen if it's struggling. In football, the Browns had a great ride receiver and a great tight end and several backs,

and they've added to all of them. And what's interesting is Odell in this interview has real statistical global goals from his brand to his numbers he wants to achieve. They mean a lot to him, and I think that's great. He's not going to reach those. I mean, he's fully aware of his numbers. At one point, he talked about his Instagram page. He goes, I remember that great catch.

I went home and I added like 100,000 Instagram followers, then 200,000. If you would have asked me five years ago, I'd have 13 million followers on Instagram. I would have told you, no, no way. Numbers he likes to achieve. He's keeping track. And that's okay. I like goals and I like people who set them. But it will be fascinating after you read this article to see how it works in Cleveland.

because the Brown's general manager, they didn't need a wide receiver, and they didn't need running backs, and they added both. What they needed was a better offensive line and better tackles, and they added neither. And there are so many interesting parts of this interview. I'm going to have the guy who wrote it coming up in about 15 minutes. But the O'Dell Cleveland story, I think will work initially. But it's going to have some hardened Westbrook to it.

when you put two superstar gifted players, even when they're great friends together, guys don't let other guys have their catches. It just doesn't work that way. It's going to be a, I think it's going to work initially. But when you start reading this and you see Odell's goals and the Jerry Rice numbers he talks about and the Instagram followers, he's aware of this stuff.

And Jarvis Landry is as good as almost any. young wide receiver in the game and he's a 90 catch wide receiver. There's no room for another guy to make 80. They just don't have that many, they don't have that many plays. Chris Carter this morning talked about it. Like he had to work and play with Randy Moss at one point. Here's Chris Carter.

When Dennis Green started putting Randy Moss in my position in the offense and he started letting Randy know, listen, we can dictate the coverage. I'm going to show you the secret recipe to how we've been making this guy so good. didn't like that one so much. So Hardin, former MVP, Hardin is trying to get postseason success. He don't need Russ, all right, right now in his career. I didn't need Randy Moss.

It was up to the coaches to be able to find the system, and it worked for about three and a half years. Three and a half years, that's when they put Randy, start putting him in my spot, and I wasn't happy. Yeah, it's really going to be fascinating to watch. The Hardin-Westbrook thing is going to feel like Odell

and Jarvis. Friends will make it work for a while. But man, these athletes, these are short careers, and when they have global aspirations and lofty all-time aspirations, that friendship stuff goes out the door really quick. We'll have the writer Mark Anthony Green, 930 on the O'Dell piece in GQ. Some thoughts about what Brett Farve said this weekend about two quarterbacks in the NFL. I totally disagree with him. Joy's around the corner too. Live in Los Angeles, this is the hurt. summer is here and it's barbecue season, did some of grilling over the weekend. It's just fantastic time of the year. It's sunny out now.

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a really talented guy next to him, Jarvis Landry, who averages 90 catches a year, and he's not given his buddy 40 of those. So I don't think Odell's ever going to reach the football goals he has in Cleveland. It's not because of Baker. In fact, Baker will probably do as good a job as you can possibly

do getting him the football. But this team in Cleveland just added to their strengths. They had running backs. They added another. They had great receivers. They added another. That's not what Cleveland needed. Cleveland needed offensive line help. So It's a fascinating architecture, a fascinating build, and Odell will never reach his goals because he's simply around too many other mouths that need to be fed.

The other thing he said, he compared himself to Tom Brady, and this is a little troubling when, you know, everybody's got issues, and we all know we have issues. If I talk to Joy about her issues or I talk to me about my issues, I know my issues. I've gotten to therapy over my issues. The problem is when somebody doesn't see their issues and they don't think they're an issue, that's when problems arise. basically Odell sees himself. He just cares a lot about football, just like his friend Tom Brady.

He says, you know, Tom throws a cup, yells at refs, yells at his coach, is because he cares that bad. He wants to win. But because he's got six Super Bowls, they validate it and say, well, he's won six Super Bowls. You know, when I'm kicking a net or whatever, they're mad at me. Oh, no, that's not, that's not it, O'Dell. And I like you, but that's not it. You peed in the back of the end zone.

You proposed to a kicking net. Week before a playoff game, you make sure a picture gets, out with you and a bunch of guys with blunts on it. Odell, you're not Tom Brady. When Tom Brady shows brief emotion in a game, it is a brief productive argument or a snip with an offensive coordinator to get them to another level. It is not dragged on. It's an outlier.

In fact, there's a reason we always show Brady yelling at this Josh McDaniel, because it never happens. This is why we always show this one piece of tape in 19 years. Tom Brady yells at his coaches, and we always bring out the same piece of tape because it doesn't happen. Odell Beckham, we did something a year ago, or six months ago, we said,

what are his 10 most memorable moments? Seven of 10 were non-football. Tom Brady ripped up his hand before they played Jacksonville. It was a disturbing gash that was later a picture of it came out, it was disgusting. He kept it totally private. Nobody saw it until weeks and weeks later. Odell Beckham got hurt against, I believe, Cleveland, and the dramatic response to it, lying down in the tunnel, he was on the field, Odell Beckham, these are not outliers. This is the brand of Odell Beckham, which is he wears people out. He's highly emotional.

You don't know day to day, possession to possession, week to week, the Odell you get. But he sees himself as Tom. No, there's a reason that when, in 19 years, the first time we'd ever seen a little bit of a schism between Belichick and Brady, the first time we ever saw it, it wasn't even Tom talking about it. Do you remember that? So the only time in 19 years, we're like, ooh, Belichick and Brady are fighting. It was Tom's wife who brought it up in this five-second clip. This last two years have been very challenging for him in so many ways. And I think he just, you know, he tells me I love it so much,

and I just want to go to work and feel appreciated and have fun. A benign comment. We were like, whoa! we got ourselves a crazy fight. Because it's an outlier. And that piece of video is an outlier. That's why we only show one piece of video. With Odell Beckham, he's been in the NFL

70% less than Tom has. His career is not even now a third of Tom. And I've got 15 pieces of crazy video. But he sees himself as, I'm Tom. We're passionate. that would worry me. I do not think they're the same people. I think they're all-time talents,

but there is a difference between exceptions and outliers. It's why we always run the same two pieces of tape, yelling at Josh McDaniels for a second, and his wife going, he just wants to be respected. And that's all we have in 19 years. That's it. The coverage bear.

And that was the first time we went, you know, Brady and Belichick have a problem here. And then I went away and they won the Super Bowl. That's usually the end result for all the New England problems. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Why don't you mention these two earlier comparing Jarvis and Odell? We're all wondering if James Hardin and Russell Westbrook can co-exist. And they're the two most ball dominant isolation-heavy players in the NBA. Are they going to fit together? Well, Hardin says he isn't concerned. It's that trust factor. You know, I trust him, he trusts me. and, you know, obviously with the group that we already have

and, you know, the things that we've already accomplished, there should be an easy transition for him and just, you know, be incorporated right in. You communicate and you go out there and you compete and possession by possession, you figure things out. Throughout the course of the season, you figure things out, and that's just what it is, you know. But when you have talent, you have guys with IQ,

you've got guys that are willing to sacrifice, it always works itself out. So the talent isn't what I'm personally. personally concerned with. Yeah, that doesn't worry me either. The thing, the, the thing that I'm most concerned with is the coaching and the assigning of roles and then the piece that he mentioned there, guys who are willing to sacrifice. That's the big question.

When you get guys with a bunch of talent together, it's never a matter of whether they're going to be good. We know that they're going to be good. The rockets were already great. It's a matter of, are you going to take that tiny step over that hump that you can't get over every single year? and win a championship. We know they're going to be great.

They were already great. I was watching actually yesterday. I was looking at some coaching stuff. And your man Earl, I went to his Twitter account. And he had a really interesting, thoughtful rant. He was talking to a bunch of other coaches and players. And so your man Earl was that. I just called him Your Man Earl.

So Earl Watson played in the NBA. But he had a good point. He talked about winning basketball plays. And he was really, really, really into it. He's like this sport is about winning basketball plays. When Jordan learned to pass and be a good coachable teammate, that's when Michael won. Before that, he just scored points.

Winning basketball plays is my concern in Houston. It's exactly what your man Earl talked about, which is will Westbrook and Harden go, okay, an average seven points a game less. Let's do some winning basketball play. Yeah, you're going to make sacrifices. That's what I worry about. And ironically, he was talking to PJ Tucker in that.

Yeah, he was in the video. In that group as well. But I totally agree with it. Oral SETA's sometimes you got to bring you down and get we us. Well, because it's a team game. And we focus on the individual players so much, especially when we talk about basketball and the stars moving in free agency. You sometimes forget it's all the pieces coming together.

And are those stars going to, in the biggest moments, make those decisions that make winning plays? Yeah. So Jets have had a busy offseason. They also made some high profile signings, Levy on Bell, C.J. Mosley. but do they really think that they can dethrone the Patriots in the AFC East? Sam Darnal does.

He says they have a chance and told the New York Post. For us, it's about making the playoffs, winning the division. It's absolutely realistic. Talent-wise, everyone in the NFL is capable of winning. It's just about building that culture and really understanding that every single down, every single possession matters. These are the current AFC East odds.

The Patriots have won the AFC East 10 years in a row, 16 and the last 17, the Dolphins won in 2008. The Patriots are obviously favored and followed by the Jets, the Bills, and then the Dolphins. The Jets have some things good enough to win the division. I think their coach, their quarterback, their defensive front. I think the Jets' biggest issue, speaking of culture, is they don't know how to win. This is a cult. New England wins games where you're like they shouldn't have won that game.

Right. The Jets lose games. You're like last year they were in four games close. And I literally watched the game and I thought, they're the better team on this field this Sunday. And they lost all four of them. Well, because it kind of is going back to what Earl said. Like, you have to make winning plays. And the Patriots mantra is what?

Do your job. Do your job. And that's something that when you have a lot of talent together, it looks like, okay, they're great on paper. We always say that, oh, they look great on paper. The Browns look great on paper. But can it translate when you get out there in the biggest moments? That's what separates Tom Brady.

from everyone else. He's done it so many times. It's just a routine for him. He doesn't have to think about the little things. And that's kind of what Sam Donald is talking about also. I don't think that they're going to win they. No, I don't either. But, I mean, it would take something catastrophic for them to win the AFCs. Yeah.

And the bottom line, though, they do have some components capable. I think Gase and Sam Darnold and their defensive front. Like in the NFL, we got a good coach. We had a good quarterback. We have a good defensive front. They've got like seven stars on this football team. I still think they're a few years away. So do I.

They're not good in the secondary, which is bad when Tom Brady's in your division. Yeah, well, pretty much as long as Tom Brady's division is what I mean. So finally, big fight this weekend, Manny Pacquiao, speaking of 40-year-old guys dominating. Wow. He was only a number. One of his best performances in the last decade. He also added another notch to his belt by handing Keith Thurman, his first defeat, taking a split decision. Paciel took the WBA welterweight title, and he is now set up to potentially face the winner of Errol

and Sean Porter. Wow. But what everyone is talking about is did this kind of pave the way for a possible rematch with Floyd Mayweather? I don't want to watch that fight. I don't want to watch Floyd and Manny. I saw it. I will say this.

First of all, you are going to watch that fight. If that fight happens, we are going to watch it. We all said that about McGregor and Mayweather, and we all sat there and watched it because we're not going to miss that. Now, it's not going to be the fight that we wanted because we wanted them to fight in their prime. but Manny looked amazing. He looked so, you know, styles make fights.

Mani was so quick. He was just like a scientist out there. And I know Keith Thurman was bigger and younger and was undefeated. I just went with Pachial because I felt like this is too much of a setup to just end Pachial's career. And he's just so skilled. And I mean, they call it the sweet science. Like he was just. Look at, Manny looked outclass by Floyd.

He looked slow. yet against Thurman, he looked lightning quick. Stiles make fights. Thurman came into that fight. In the first two rounds, Thurman didn't move his feet. Thurman stalked him like, I don't respect you. I'm just going to hunt you down. And, man, he's flying around, getting angles.

And I think after Thurman knocked him down, or after Manny knocked down, Thurman, Thurman was like, God, I didn't prepare for this kind of fighter. I mean, you have to respect the experience that he has. That was the biggest thing. It also looked like there was nothing that Thurman was throwing at Pacio. that he was really hurting him. In the seventh round, he landed a couple of good rights.

Other than that. But there was no point where I felt like, yeah, this is this fight is starting to turn. No. But great fight. Fantastic. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Hurd-Ly News. Mark Anthony Green had previously interviewed LeBron James. He sat down with a guy that I think is fascinating, Odell Beckham, Jr. And let's bring him on the show now because I think the interview gives you all sorts of insight. to who Odell Beckham is. So Mark Anthony Green, it's nice to meet you. So about, it was in the winner. Six months ago,

Odell Beckham calls me on FaceTime. Oh, okay. We talked for 30 minutes. Okay, you guys are good friends. No, but we talked. Okay. I'll give you some background. So I had talked about something on the air.

And I had said, I don't remember Odell Beckham being a problem at LSU or his first year in New York. But I said it's quite possible that he is a person, because I can relate to this, that doesn't do well with chaos. And the giants have become increasingly chaotic, and that may be a poor environment for him,

like it is for me. I've gone to therapy on this. I don't like chaotic situations. Like stability. He called me and goes, man, you nailed it. He goes, the last three years, I don't know what I'm getting week to week.

So we had this fascinating guy. He did most of the talking, but he was fascinating. Yeah, yeah. Now, we've since fallen out. I said something he didn't like. But let's talk about Odell, the person before we go, Mark, to O'Dell the football player. Do you think he's happy?

In your conversation, you're dealing with a happy athlete? I mean, I asked him. I said, you know, are you happy? And he said, yeah. So, you know, I got to take his word on that. I think my observation of him is that in L.A., with his friends, with his family, with his dogs, he loves his dogs.

He's super happy. He was super happy because he's in his own environment. and, you know, there was some distance from so much scrutiny, and it was a little distance from, you know, playing the game. But he also, I think, really loves playing the game of football. And in an ideal world, he would play the game and be able to play the game his way with who he wants to play with. And I think that Cleveland is close to an ideal situation for him.

Okay. So you say, you think in his world he'd just like to play football. See, this is where I would push back. I think he also like the Instagram followers. And there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that comes with it. He likes, I said this.

Remember before Facebook, there was a company called MySpace. Okay. You're a little older than me. I know, I don't. But MySpace was a precursor to Facebook. Yeah. MySpace wasn't, we weren't quite ready for MySpace. Facebook took the best of it, tweaked it, and made a Titan.

Odell Beckham in my lifetime is the first NBA player in the NFL. And I'm not quite sure the league is pivoting. This is my takeaway. He's my space. That is O'Dell being the first NBA player in the NFL, that is what we

would call a bar. That is good sentence. It's great. I agree with you. 100%. The thing I would say is that if you love the NFL, it needs more NBA players. Or it's going to end up like the MLB. Which is old, stagnant.

You need personalities. This is entertainment. And I think people like O'Dell Beckham Jr., though they are rare, they're really special. He kind of, remember that movie, Wild Things? No, of course. I mean, not Wild Things, the character's name was Wild Things, the Major League. Yeah, of course. And by the way, Wild Things was also good with a young woman who I used to have a crush on, but that's another movie.

Yeah, again, you know, different generations. But, you know, I think that he really, he's kind of like that character. He's, you know, Charlie Sheen's character in the film. Even down to the haircut, I mean, this is a guy who he's super electrifying. He plays with passion for better and for worse. And I can't figure out what more you would want from a player for entertainment. This is true. Joy and I talk about this a lot.

What makes basketball work is labor runs the show and basketball. Labor runs the league. Why don't we call them stars? I don't want to call it labor. I understand what you're saying. Employees. Technically. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like an employee. It's in a company that employees have all the stock. Yes. Right. So employees or slash, I'll just use labor like that's an old term.

Ron, the NFL has really been. And by the way, it should be that way, Mark, because basketball players change commerce and points. 100%. Outside of quarterbacks, Vegas doesn't designate a single NFL player that's worth a point. J.J. Watt was not worth half a point. J. J. Jay Watt was not worth half a point.

So my pushback on that would be for entertainment, you are right. Yeah. But the NFL's like our Pro Bowl gets higher ratings than all of their games except the finals. We're not about the star. We're about the system. They got to evolve. I'm saying we're having this conversation now. And part of our job, everyone's job here is to try to see around the curve.

Right. And I'm saying on this show, they have to change that mindset. or the NFL will struggle in the future and it's going to get worse and worse. And people like O'Dell Beckham Jr., for your company is a great thing, and you should embrace that. Yeah, well, we do.

We talk about them all the time. And think, I mean, you guys embrace it. You know, and sometimes he likes what you say. Sometimes you don't. But you understand that. These kids, I mean, every kid is obsessed with sneakers now. Every kid is into fat. You see all these kids that try to dress like these NBA players.

Odell's one of the few NFL players that has embraced. style. Obviously, I'm coming from GQ, so it's the thing I pay attention to. But, I mean, that's a massive part of influence. And all these people that had Odell with Beckham Jr.'s I mean, imagine if you had five Odell's, your sport, the thing that you're selling, is now just that much more influential. Mark, do you worry? There are numbers, and I've heard him mention that Jerry Rice number several times. Yeah. 23,000 yards. It is not currently attainable unless he was the number one dominant receiver, getting about 80 catches a year and stayed injury-free. Jarvis Landry is a special player. He is a 90-catch a year pro bowler.

Friends don't give friends catches. I don't think his numbers are attainable. Do you think now, as we segue into a football part of it, does Cleveland work? And what if it doesn't initially, simply because Jarvis Landry's too darn special on the other side of the field? Right. You only have so many balls throw up. They also have the best young tight end in football. Right. And the best running back combination. Right. Well, let me start with the prediction. And, you know, sure. This is between us. Yeah.

Just, just. Nobody's listening. Yeah. I'm predicting the Cleveland Browns to win the Super Bowl. This year. This year. First year, I think it's going to work to answer your question. I, you know, I think that a lot of things in, you know, on Twitter and in previous segments, you know, people are like criticizing O'Dell for having this goal. Right. I think that's silly.

He should, on one hand, we're like, hey, you got to really want to be the best. You got to want to care about football. We're pushing him to have this passion and this preoccupation with the game of football. Then he has this big goal and he's serious about it. And we're like, yeah, but you're never going to get that. And it's crazy that you have that goal. In fact, it's selfish.

And it's not going to worry. Like, no, of course. You know, he should have that goal. Everyone should look in the mirror and try to go out and be the best. And if you're not the best, you should be trying to beat the best. And that's all he's trying to do in my perception of it. He talks about retirement at one point in his career. So obviously New York was not, at some point, this was not working at all.

Like how low do you think it went for him there? I think it got really bad. But I also think, from being very honest, I think Odell's sensitive. I'm sensitive. So I felt like I was speaking to another person who's sensitive. and I think that I always try to, no matter who I'm interviewing, be LeBron, James, O'Dell, whoever,

I try to put myself in their shoes, I try to apply what they're going through in their work and personal life to my work in personal life. And if things were, as you said, as chaotic at GQ, and the only way I could play the game is be at GQ, I probably would think about retirement as well because I'm sensitive. So I think that sensitive people make some of the best things.

And we look at that as a criticism. I personally think it's awesome. So, you know, I think he was really, really bad, but I also think he's sensitive. And I think the Browns are better equipped to deal with a sensitive superstar like Odell. When it was done, what was your big, obviously you think he's sensitive? When we got to, darn it, we're up against time. Stick around for a second.

I'm here with you. I'm here all day. You know, they got food. It's great. That's always my answer to. They got food. Three words, I'll be around. We'll return with Mark Anthony Green in a second, the herd.

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Previously interviewed LeBron James. We were talking about he's a sensitive person. You said, you're sensitive, Odell sensitive. What would worry you? What would be a troubling sign mark to you in Cleveland? Week five, week six, something happens. Where would you, with your insight now, go, oh, this is not the direction, not the pivot I want to see? You know, I think that if you start to see his body language, you know, Odell, for better and for worse, he's really transparent, right?

And I think that when he's upset, you can see he's upset. When he's really happy, you can see he's really happy. How long did you sit down with him, talk to him? We spent like a full day together and then we met at the shoot before. And I've obviously met him a few times at different events and mutual friends and stuff like that. But he was really hospitable. But I think that the thing about Odell is that, you know, he is really transparent. And so I think we'll see early if he's feeling this situation.

And Odell to me is one of those talents that he's only going to be happy if they're winning. winning. He's only going to be happy if he's playing well and contributing to them win. So his production and winning does alter his personality. Yes. I think if they're losing no matter what, if everyone's a nice to him, if he likes everybody he works with, I think that he's still going to be upset because I believe he wants to win. And when he says that, I think we should believe him. Historically, Cleveland has had people who become global icons and they all leave. LeBron left, Rockefeller, Steinbrenner, musicians.

Yeah. To New York, to L.A., Drew Carey, they move on. It's not a place where global icons move to. Yeah, it's not. So my initial thought was Cleveland wouldn't have been his first choice. I'm sure it wasn't. In fact, I know it wasn't. How do you think it'll work based on the fact that he is, when I think of O'Dell, I think of New York, Hollywood, Paris.

Yeah. I don't think Cleveland. And I do think cities matter. But you made a really good point earlier that I think answers this question. in, you know, a digital age where social media is king, how is O'Dell Beckham Jr. getting lost in Cleveland? What is he going to do that I would miss in Cleveland? Nothing.

So I don't think he loses anything, and I think that that idea of going to, I'm from Kansas City, I'm from a Midwest city. So, you know, I pull for all the Midwest cities. Sure. I want them all to win and get all the stars. But the idea that somebody's going to get lost in that, I just think is antiquated, and I don't think it's real.

And when you're as big as Odell, you bring your own following, the only thing that he's going to not have to deal with is like, you know, in New York City. Paparazzi. Well, that a little bit, but he'll still have to deal with some of that in some form of it. I mean, everyone with the phone is a paparazzi, you know, and he's learned that the hard way. So I don't think anything

I don't think he's going to lose anything In New York City We're tough And I love I wouldn't live anywhere on the planet It's my favorite city in the world But when you are an athlete in New York City You got to deal with the day

You got to deal with the post You got to deal with it Mark if there's a personality that works in New York Derek Jeter talked and never said anything Yeah Joe Tori talked and never said anything Eli Manning talks and never says anything Yeah

I mean there's almost a personality that works personality profile. Sam Darnold, by the way, New York. Sam Darnold doesn't say anything. Didn't drink on his birthday. Like New York adds the intensity. If you're intense going into that intensity, it can implode. Yeah. And so you think it's weird, it sounds like you like him actually out of New York City. I think it's good for him. Another thing that I think it'll do quickly is when there's less social distractions and things to do that are just fun, you know, who are you going to hang out with, your teammates? Or your dogs. You said he loves his dogs. He loves his dogs. Yeah. So I think that, you know, the best thing that the Browns could do is get that team to gel as quickly as possible. And from my prediction, selfishly, I want them to because I want this chip in the first year. Yeah. Mark Anthony Green, author of Odell. It's online right now. It's online right now. Yeah, go check it.

So you said you spent a day with Odell Beckham. When you're with him and he's ever out in public, I've been around a lot of pro athletes in public. NBA guys, Can't hide. Yeah. Six, nine and a half, can't hide. Yeah, yeah. Odell, mobbed, uncomfortable, comfortable. Is he comfortable with his stardom? I've seen him when we were together, obviously, in other scenarios,

extremely comfortable, really hospitable. The thing about Odell is he kind of gets, you know, he's a showman. He is a true, like, natural entertainer. If, you know, if he didn't have a single athletic bone in his body, I think he'd be doing something else in entertainment. And so I think he loves that. He wants to be a big star this we know. Some people, Jay Cutler,

legendarily hated being talked to, seen in public. Like, some people just don't like it. He likes it. I don't think you can say you hate to be seen in public and then you have curly locks as like a black dude. You know what I mean? Like, you're going out of your way to, like, be seen. And I, again, I think that that is the best thing.

if you care about the NFL, you care about any, you need people like that. Well, and you say he's comfortable with it. So I have no problem with somebody drawing attention to themselves and they're comfortable in that space. I think he loves it. Okay, Mark Anthony Green. It's gentlemen's quarterly for some of you guys. You need fashion.

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He's got a GQ magazine article on O'Dell Beckham, which, as I said, I think the fascinating thing about O'Dell Beckham in Cleveland is Jarvis Landry, who is a pro bowler, who is great, who is 90 catches a year. And if you read the article, there's a lot of aspiration. goals for O'Dell Beckham. I don't think he can reach him, at least the production standpoint, because he's got too great of a player next to him. If you have a Pro Bowl-Wide receiver who catches 90 balls a year next to you

and the best tight end and great running back, it's going to be hard to reach those production goals. I think that's going to be a challenge for Baker Mayfield. Maybe he can pull it off. He's an accurate throwover for the football. But anyway, I want to thank Mark Anthony Green, who wasn't scheduled, but said, yeah, I'll stay and stop by and talk, and it was great. So Joy Taylor joining me.

Every Monday we do something, you know what it's called, Joy. Where Colin was right. Where Colin was wrong. Plenty of both. So here we go to Monday. Plenty of both this week. Here we go. Where Colin was right.

Ezekiel Elliott is in the news again this morning, quote, making plans to leave the country amid his contract holdout. Listen, I like my running backs to be elusive. Not this elusive. He's out of the country. I'll say it again. I've always questioned judgment, not talent, not love for football. Why is this story getting out?

It's right before training camp. It looks like it was time to be right before training camp, to be very disrupted for a football team that is loaded with talent, but in a division with Philadelphia cannot be distracted. This is my question about Zeke, his judgment. Clearly, they wanted this story out there right before camp, holding out with two years left. And his contract said it last week, and I'll say it again,

despite his talent, I think you can get a haul of picks and some good players for him. I would move him. I know it sounds counterintuitive to move the best player at his position, but it happens all the time in football. This is not the NBA. You can win a lot of games with a B running back if you have the Cowboys line, if you have the Cowboys defense. That's where I'd go with it.

Where Colin was wrong. Mani Pacchio not only beat Keith Herman, he completely controlled the fight. If you would have told me Mani Pacquiao was going to knock. out Thurman in the first round, I would have bet a million dollars, and he did. Listen, Stiles make fights. Manny's style was a nightmare for Thurman, and you could tell about halfway through the first round. Thurman didn't move his feet, at least didn't plan on it for the first three rounds, as Manny dominated the first three to four rounds, scoring effectively, going right after him. Listen, Thurman had a good seventh round and did win a few rounds.

and as a fight wore on, he landed some punches to Pacquiao. But as old as Mani looked against Mayweather, he looked like the youngest 40-year-old boxer in the history of the sport. Thurman's sort of lethargic, plotting, hunting style worked perfectly for the volume puncher and scorer, Mani Pacquiao. Won the fight convincing.

I don't know how, I have no idea how one judge had Keith Thurman winning its split decision. I thought Manny won by four rounds. Where Colin was right? Amazon series, all or nothing, cameras around Cam Newton all last year in the Carolina Panthers. Oh, Lord.

He is the opposite of Tom Brady. Tom Brady is obsessed with football. In this series, I don't think I ever saw Cam talking about football. He's got a music guru. Tom's got a kale pajamas guru. Whereas Brady is totally consumed with football, and it's hard to even find frames of Tom versus Time that aren't about football.

It was hard to find moments when Cam wasn't talking about music, had a cigar in his mouth, eating junk food. As far as committed to the sport, Tom is and Cam, I mean, it's hard to get around it. Tom has kale ice cream. Cam had junk food, cigars. If you love Cam, you'll love him more. If you are a person like me who has always questioned his commitment to it, boy, you came out of that thing going, Lord. Cam is exactly what through the year sources have told me.

He's not a bad teammate. That's not the point. But he is a distracted quarterback in a world where it has become an 11.5 month sport. Where Colin was wrong. Miami Heat are not even now interested in Chris Paul. I thought that was the obvious one. They could put some jet fuel with draft picks, get Chris Paul for a couple years. In fact, a story broke this weekend that the Miami Heat were more interested in Westbrook's awful contract than Chris Paul.

Listen, in 2019, he's too much drama. He doesn't get along with other star players, and he's too damn expensive. He's still a 15 and 8 player, but his field goal numbers went down. His ability to dominate defensively is not as good. I thought Miami was a perfect landing spot for him, but the story is now breaking. They would have taken Westbrook over Chris Paul. Wrong on that.

Where Colin was right? But Tobias Harris of the Sixers admitted this weekend, talking to Marcus Hayes of the Philadelphia Inquirer, yeah, I felt underutilized last year. The pieces didn't really fit. This is what we said last year with Philadelphia. It was the second best roster in the NBA, but it didn't work. Simmons and MB don't play well together.

Butler's really talented, but if you put him with Tobias Harris, who's getting the shots at the end of games? Tobias Harris was honest. He said what we said all year. It just didn't work. That's why Reddick's not there. That's why Butler's not there. I'm not convinced Ben Simmons long term will be there. But I did appreciate what Tobias Harris said is, I was under your.

utilized. The coaching staff admits the pieces didn't fit, and I was underutilized. And this is what we thought the Sixers were all year. Really talented, but didn't have the chemistry to beat a Milwaukee, beat a Golden State, beat top teams in the NBA. Where Colin was wrong.

Pro football focus ranked all the NFL quarterbacks entering this year. And they had Brady won and Breeze 2 and Andrew Luck 5 and Russell Wilson 6. Those all my guys. And then Baker Mayfield 10. What? and Baker Mainfield in the top 10.

What, off his 1 in 5 record against winning teams, or off his 6 and 7 overall record, or off his 14 interceptions? Top 10 already? And I like pro football focus. They're almost never wrong. And they have all the guys I like up there. Maybe I'll have to unsubscribe.

Top 10 already off that year. All right. Where Colin was right. Remember I ain't always saying baseball. The really smart teams do not sign these players to 10-year contracts. It's just dumb business. Well, the Dodgers GM, Andrew Friedman's a smart guy. The Dodgers have won their division six straight years.

There are currently 16 games out in front. And Andrew Friedman, one of baseball's keenest intellects, came out this weekend. He says, yes, we always feel pressure to make a deal and improve our team. We have to balance that with not being stupid. That is a direct shot at the owner of the Phillies, John Middleton, the majority owner, who said last year in free agency, you've got to be a little stupid with your money in free agency. The Dodgers GM just took a not so thinly veiled shot at the Phillies majority owner saying, yeah, we need to get better in the bullpen, but we're not going to be stupid. Once again, Phillies aren't as well run. Dodgers are exceptionally well run.

These 10-year contracts are bad business. They don't work. The Phillies are in third place. Bryce Harper leads the league in strikeouts. Although he's still a good 255-260 hitter with power, I like Bryce Harper. But this deal has gone not nearly as well as they thought for the team or for Bryce.

Where Colin was wrong. Last week I protested coffee shops for their exorbitant fees. I said I would never go to one the rest of my life. I was. I'm spending $450, $500 a month. I can make this stuff at home. And I said, that's it, I'm done. I'm never buying

coffee at a coffee shop again. And then I started doing it in my head. I'm going to spend $30,000 if I live a normal life, drinking coffee I can make at home. That's a new car. What am I doing with my life? I'm no... You can hold me accountable. I'm never going to a

coffee shop again. Okay, I said that Monday, and by Thursday, Hey, Joyce came into the meeting and said, what's that Pete's coffee thing? I am so stuck in my habit that I bought another coffee. And by the way, I blame Skip Bayliss and Shannon because they took the week off. I'm pretty sure there was coffee in the break room where I make tea every morning. 30 steps away. It's forcing me to have to go to a coffee shop.

This is like doing a New Year's resolution. In January 4th, you blow it up. Yeah, well, I mean, that's why those generally don't work. You can't get anything past a woman, Colin. I know that by now. Oh, I do. Where Colin was right? Been saying for years, stop whining about NBA players getting together.

It's what they do at AAU. It's what they do at college basketball. Why always rip an NBA guy sport? All you Duke fans and Carolina fans, you love when all the stars join your team. Well, what do you know? A pair of five-star recruits are going to join Brony James Jr. At Sierra Canyon. D. Wade's son, rising senior BJ Boston, number two shooting guard in the country,

and a top 10 recruit Zaire Williams. Oh, wait. You mean in high school, stars join. So that makes high school, AAU, college basketball and NBA where good basketball players join forces with other really good basketball players. So don't tell me you love college basketball. You hate the NBA because the stars, they always gang up together. Well, time out.

They've been doing it in high school. Basketball's culture, great players want to play with other. great players. And it's not just the NBA. It's every level. Where Colin was right? A designer for Madden. You know the video game Madden.

So a designer for Madden, quote, Aaron Rogers has been kind of taken a bit of a downhill slope the past three years. His accuracy's gotten progressively worse over the past two years. And while he might have been playing hurt, he can't really project how much that impacted him because we don't know everything and everyone who was hurt and how much it impacted them in a week-to-week basis. We saw a different Aaron Rogers the past two years than we'd seen in years past,

so we downgraded him this year. This is what I've been saying. I don't hate Aaron Rogers. I watch the games. He is not the same quarterback today as several years ago. Now, you can blame Mike McCarthy for everything. Go for it. But I got news for you.

Belichick and Brady are rare. Generally, quarterbacks have a lot of coordinators and a lot of coaches, and they go through them. And, I mean, many of the great coaches, the Jimmy Johnson, the Bill Parcells, they moved around to teams. So this is not anti-Aaron Rogers. I don't put him in my top two or three in recent years

because I don't think he's as good. I think he has peaked. I think he's 35. I think the injuries are cumulative. And I do think he could have a bounce back year. But it's not me. Even the Madden people are like, yeah, we look at all the film to grade players.

He's not been as accurate. Sometimes. Need Madden 20 to step in and defend me. Crazy. Doug Gottlieb's around the corner. Gottele coming up today. Reggie Bush, too. Coming up.

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podcasts. Saturday, we've got a great MLB doubleheader for you. First, baseball's fiercest rivalry rages on as Aaron Judge powers the first place Yankees against Mokey Betts and the Red Sox. Then Jose Altuve and the Astros take on the Cardinals. It all starts at four Eastern, one Pacific on FS1 and the Fox Sports app. Between the Yankees who have a nine-game lead and the Dodgers have a 16-game lead, two best teams in baseball and Houston. They have a 25-game lead. And we've got late July. We've got two more months of the regular season. So the Yankees and the Dodgers are just running away with it. Doug Gottlieb is joining us,

the Dugger, Fox Sports Radio after our show. It's my favorite time of the year. The camps open. I love this time of the year. So let's start with the O'Dell Beckham piece and GQ. O'Dell, you know, he's not afraid. He's very honest about his opinion of how the giant situation worked.

Does anything bother you with how O'Dell sees his giant career? Well, he didn't feel like he got the respect he deserved. I always thought that athletes equated salary to respect. Right. And after three months of good behavior, after there's a video of him in a hotel room and with what looked like cocaine with a woman, he got the biggest contract in the history

of the sport for his position. If that's not respect, I don't know what is. So whatever happened from that point until the time they ultimately traded him, you know, reputations become earned. And he hadn't stayed healthy, you know. And I think a bigger thing is, you know, and I think a bigger thing is. is he keeps saying how he wants to win. And yet anyone can say they want to win.

Do you want to do the little things that it takes? Whether it's buying into your quarterback, no matter how much we all agree that Eli Manning has seen his better days, that doesn't mean what your public face should be, doing interviews with rappers about your quarterback or about your struggles. And then, you know, late in the season, onside kick, a chance for a big win. And he bails the kick. Don't tell me you want to win.

Go get that football. Yeah. That's a fair criticism. So he strikes me as remarkably talented and remarkably immature. And I'm going to disagree with you. I don't think he's the first NBA player. Like, he's not the biggest star to play wide receiver or we've always had the diva wide receivers. And if you want to get to guys that sold shoes, Dion Sanders sold shoes and was a better player.

He's the best shutdown cover corner in the history of the sport. He played two sports. He had his own shoe from Nike. He was a huge, huge megastar. And there were times in which he was an issue. but for the most part, his teams won, came out of retirement one with the Ravens. Mike Vic was a breakthrough superstar. He was.

Off the field, obviously derailed him. Some on the field derailed him. But people forget that he was the new face of the league. And he was cool. He was hip. He had a shoe. He was the cover of Madden. He was a video game.

So we have actually seen this before. And we've seen many guys who are truculent wide receivers derail teams before. And the irony to it is this, is the greatest season of wide receiver has ever had was by Calvin Johnson. His team won four games that year. The irony to a wide receiver is oftentimes the guys that put up the most numbers are on the worst teams. Yeah, no, this is something we've talked about before is there have been basketball teams where the guy that leads the league in scoring is on a really average team. and the team is built for him to score but not built to win. Kemba Walker.

Kenball Walker scores a ton of points. When I look at wide receivers. DeMarcus. Prime example. When Dak came into this league and he had Des, I thought Des hurt Dak because Dak was a young quarterback learning a system and felt, oh, I've got to throw the ball to Dak or he'll emotionally derail. Do you think...

That's Dante Culpever, by the way. Remember Dante Culpever used to force the ball to Randy Ma. and that and the fumbling really derailed Dante Culpeper's career. But do you think, does Cleveland work because Baker's accurate, Baker's a very good slant thrower, Odell runs the best slant in the league. I can make an argument, two arguments. One, Jarvis Landry needs 90 catches. There's just not 60 catches available.

Or I can make the argument, Baker and Odell is a perfect marriage. Oh, I think if it's going to work for O'Dell Beckham Jr., this is probably as good as it gets. It's probably better that he's out of the limelight of the baseball. big city so they can just concentrate on football. I think you have Baker's ego and persona who he defends his own. Right. Even to a fault, he defends his own, right?

That's, that's Baker's kind of M.O. He's all about his teammates. And I do think that Baker kind of understands guys' egos and how to fit in. He can go uptown and downtown mixed with linemen to wide receivers. It doesn't matter. And then Jarvis Landry's O'Dell Beckham Jr.'s best friend, you know, even before college, they've been lifelong friends. And so if there's somebody who can calm him down

when things aren't going well, you have an offensive, you have a guy who just started calling plays and now the head coach who seems to get along quite well with the offense. They have other weapons. They have a good running game. So he's not going to face a double team seemingly on every possession. Yeah, I think all of those things could be great. The problem is

there isn't really a culture of winning there. Right. They have a very difficult schedule. And though they have more on-paper talent than the Steelers probably have the Ravens lost their front seven. They were built on their defense. They've lost it.

They're going to try and figure out, can we play how we played with Lamar with a different defense? And then, you know, Cincinnati's coming off a season where they had the worst defense, maybe in the history of the league. Yeah. So, I mean, look, there's a lot of, I think if it's going to work,

it'll work in Cleveland. I'm much more bullish on it than you are. But, I mean, I think the article and the author who sat with you before me, he made a great point. If it doesn't go well, Odell Beckham Jr. is a front runner. When things don't go well,

he doesn't seem emotionally how to know how to handle it. And the other part, and this is kind of the immaturity part, is, you know, people who are adults, people who are mature, people who have been through some things, they point inward. They go, you know, I should have done this differently, I should have done that differently. Whereas children, it's his fault, it's his fault, it's the Giants fault, it's Eli's fault, it's Tom Coughlin's fault, it's the media's fault. And that's what Odell Beckham Jr. does. And until I hear out of his mouth, I should have done this, and things would have been better.

I will still not be sold that he'll ever live up to the prodigious talent that he actually has. Yeah, he does. By the way, I want to move to, so Tony Romo was talking about Bill Belichick, and I just happened to have two good friends in football who happen to be really, really tight with Belichick, like with vacation with him. And they just speak really highly about him. And they always say the same thing. They're like just he is, maybe it's his mother speaking seven languages, his dad who helped create scouting or whatever.

He's just cerebral. He's curious. He's always learning. he is really a different level. And my friends have had, I've got a friend that's had coached under Pete Carroll and Jim Harbaugh still says Belichick. It's like, boo. The gap between Belichick and the rest of the sport feels even greater.

I use Coach K with a talent edge, two final fours in 15 years, saving with a talent edge, 24 bowl games, 114 lost 10. I do feel like Belichick has largely separated himself from a large. large group of the league. I thought the Super Bowl with McVeigh was almost embarrassing for McVey. They had like an offense. There's also something gained from experience. Remember, I mean, the other thing is that he has been able, because they haven't had a

bad season, but he's also been able to sustain things for so long. I mean, look at when they played the L.A. Chargers. The Chargers have better talent. Now, they ran the benefit of the fact that the Chargers had to beat Baltimore on the road. And then go fly back. And fly back. And it beat him up a little bit. But just from the idea, they took the opening kick.

You know, normally you win the toss, you defer, you play defense, you're at home, take the opening kick, you march down the field, you play from ahead, and now the sudden you put the chargers on the defensive. In addition to the fact that they slowly but surely evolve every season, they take those first four games like the preseason, and they build themselves for postseason football. Now, it helps the fact that they're in the AFC East, which not only has it not been competitive in terms of comparing quarterbacks,

but also look at all the turnover at coaches. You have all these inexperienced coaches continue to get a shot and a guy who's been there done that. So they can build and build their football team simply for the postseason, much the way that Phil Jackson actually did this. Remember, Shaq, he wouldn't get on to Shaq about being in shape at the start of the season.

The easiest training camp anyone ever had in the history of the NBA was the Lakers. They would go to Hawaii. They would practice once a day and they would meditate. Right? They'd meditate. And a lot of the guys, they just fall asleep. But his thing was like, look, I can't beat on them now. I can't go to the whip now.

I need to wait until we get to, you know, April, May, and then June is when it's important to us. I think because of his experience, because he has Brady, he's been able to still have the same offense coordinator now for like a half a decade. And because of the division, I think he builds his team for December and January football. And it's like a different sport than the rest of the year. And I do think that he's separated himself. I also think that we need to take a breath and realize that Andy Reid has a similar

amount of experience. And if not for Deep Ward lining up all sides, we're not talking. about the greatness of the Patriots right now. By the way, there are two coaches that if you look at the history of Belichick, Coughlin and Andy Reid have given a matchup problems. Like in those Super Bowls. And they're also very, very experienced. And they've seen each other.

I'll point this one thing out is I said this Friday when I guest hosted for you because you were working furiously on your fly fishing wrist. So much fun. So much. So much. I love that they caught you buying coffee already. Already. Already.

I know. Is that here's a little nugget from a couple of NFL friends. If you look at the end of the season, Brady was not the same. If you look at the, I know he lit up the Jets last game of the year. I know he was great against the Chargers, but that was a mismatch because they were running over and through the Chargers and the Chargers. His arm strength was not the same. You look at the Chargers. They have an older quarterback in Phillip Rivers.

He struggled. Drew Brice struggled down the stretch. These great quarterbacks who are freaks about their preparation, and they want to take every rep in pre-season. There's a large amount of concern over whether or not they're going to have the arm in December in January. Now, that's one of the reasons that I think that and their lack of wide receivers, why the Patriots went to more of a power running game. And I think they knew that. That's why they drafted the way they did.

But it'll be interesting to see the Saints are the one team that have Teddy Bridgewater. They could throw him out in the middle of the season and give Breeze two weeks off. Yeah, I think it's really interesting. Because Breeze was not the same quarterback. No. Everyone talks in that game about the blown pass interference call. But they don't talk about the fact that Drew Breeze really, really struggled. Their last six games of the year, the Saints average 20 a game.

Their first 11, they average 37. They didn't throw the ball over the top the last month and a half of the season. They couldn't. They literally couldn't throw the ball down to you. Look, you get to be 40 years old. You're not the same guy. I mean, look, Manny Packia was great on seven. But that's one fight.

Well, it was also one fight, but also he got ahead early. and then he was able to take advantage of his quickness and play from ahead. And he was smart about when he rested. But Manny Pachial lost many of the final six rounds because he's old. And he's been doing this forever and used his brain as well as his athletic ability. But going into this NFL season, we're betting all of our money on these 39, 38, 41-year-old quarterbacks. And if you look at last year and it's going to get worse this year because you're older, there's a big concern will they be able to throw the football the same once you get to December and January.

The Tiger Fox Sports Radio, good to see you, buddy. You got to do fly fishing. You did some fishing your own. Deep sea fishing yesterday. That's great too. Scolping? Good, good fish tacos. Good fish tacos. But not fly fishing here.

A couple outdoorsmen. And you lived in Miami and you can't go out in a boat. I can go out on a boat, but deep sea fishing is, yeah, it's too much. The boat. It's not good. Joy of the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This. is the herd line news. So the Kauai Leonard's sweepstakes came down to the Lakers, Raptors, and the Clippers. And now that the dust has settled, and Kauai is officially a clipper. Some of the behind-the-scenes details are starting to surface of that off-season free agent.

Oh, boy. You know, pitch. And according to Brian Winhorse, the Lakers felt played. He said, I've heard complaints in the days after the signing. I heard complaints from the Lakers that they got played. I heard complaints from the Raptors that Kauai came in and asked for the sun,

the moon, the stars, and then left them at the altar. Guys, it's a little bit dramatic there, but, I mean, no, you're worth Kauai. You should go and ask for the sun, moon, and stars. And guess what? If he asks for the sun, moon and stars, and you say, no. You can just have the moon. Right.

Or, you know, A star. And he says, no, then that's on you. You chose not to give him the franchise. It's like what happened in Miami when LeBron left. I mean, angry LeBron left. but they didn't want to give him the franchise. And I'm okay with not giving him the franchise. And, you know, we're not as good as we were when LeBron was there.

But that's what you do. You make those decisions. This is one of the things I hate. When people lose in free agency, they blame the player. Anger is mostly based on expectations. The Lakers told everybody they were getting Kauai. When they didn't, that doesn't meet their expectations. So now they're mad at Kauai.

Bottom line here is he is a free. agent, heavy on the free. Right. It's his choice, and you didn't have, you didn't close. So don't blame the player. Right. And to say that they got played, like, how did you get played? The only way that you would have been played in my eyes is

if he told you he was coming and then he didn't come. Right. But if he never said, yeah, I'm coming. Then how did you get played? This is what you said. It's free agency. He's going to go around and meet with different people. He's going to make demands while he's doing that. I want to meet here. I want to do that. And you better do whatever he says, because

he is the prize. Like he's the star player. He's the free agent that's going to change the future of your franchise. You didn't get played unless he told you he was coming. And he didn't come. And even if he did that, he has a right to change his mind. He's a grown man and this is his future. By the way, you also did not put the pieces together that you needed to put together

to be in a winning position for free agency. Free agency anymore is not just about being in the sun and having a big brand and having the most amount of money or even having other stars. there. People want to know that you're going to take care of them while they're there, that they're not walking into a dysfunctional situation where they got to be stressed out when they go to work every day. That matters too. There's all kinds of different elements. That's why I'm glad that a lot of the teams who were tanking didn't get rewarded during this off season because that's not the kind of basketball that you want to play and then have a superstar go there and reward them for being in that situation. You want to be winning and that's what the Clippers did. They were competitive. They were in the playoffs. They just needed one piece. They were functional. They were not noisy. And that's what worked for Kauai.

I didn't play anybody. So, speaking of the Lakers, Anthony Davis spoke at Nike's Rise Camp at Kenwood Academy this weekend. And when talking about what being from Chicago means to him, it gave the city some very high praise. And that's getting a little traction. No matter of it's hot, you know, it's freezing cold in a gym, you know, outside, it's raining, whatever. You know, there's just any basketball player in Chicago, you know, it means a lot more. more to us because we are a basketball city. And we are the meka of basketball.

You can quote me on that. So obviously New Yorkers are going to have a little bit of a pushback on that. I always thought Chicago was a football city. No, I think it just depends on who you are, really. Or maybe it's a generational thing. Because when I think of Chicago, I obviously think of Michael Jordan. Right. And therefore Jordan.

Before Jordan got there. No, you can make that argument. For sure. It was just kind of a bad. Probably make an argument as a baseball city, too. It's just a great sports town. It's a great sports city. But, you know, the Mecca of basketball is wildly considered to be New York.

Right. I don't have a problem with him saying Chicago's in the Mecca of basketball. Obviously, they have a great basketball history and the Bulls are legendary. But I think New York is a lot of basketball. I think talent now comes from Houston and Atlanta and Philadelphia. L.A. could make a good argument for it. North Carolina, D&B. area. So finally, Ezekiel Elliott may hold out this summer for long-term contract extension,

but he reportedly hasn't made a decision yet. Ian Rappaport reports that Zique is keeping options open for right now. From what I'm told as recently as yesterday, all options were still on the table. Zeeke has still not yet firmly decided whether or not he was going to hold out. If he does not hold out, that means contract negotiations are going in the right direction, or at least he trusts the Cowboys to get a deal done. Now there's a report this morning that he is planning on leaving the country. I don't know how dramatic that is because, I mean, is he going

to Canada? Is he going to Mexico? Mexico, you go to Kabul for a weekend, that's leaving the country. Or is he going to Australia? Like, there's levels to leave in the country. Mexico's not really that far. You know, two-hour flight and he's in Cabo and he's just chilling on the beach. He's where he went during his suspension,

if you remember. Yes, it is where he went down there to train. Half the league goes to Mexico during the season during a buy week, so that's not really leaving. Right, because it's not far. I mean, yes, you are technically leaving the country. For Dallas, it's really not far. Right. So I don't know that that's that big of a deal. It sounds dramatic,

but it could be dramatic depending on where he's going obviously. I hope this holdout doesn't happen. I don't really like it being that he has two years left on his deal. I get it obviously, and I don't have a problem if they do want to pay him because he is incredibly valuable and I always want people to make their money.

But I just think that DAC is the more important contract to get done. And this kind of falls on the Cowboys because the Cowboys had an opportunity to get Dax contract done, and they waited. And now you are in this position where you have to figure out Dac, Zeeke, and Amari all pretty much at the same time, because you weren't really worrying about Zique up until he decided to put this out there and put the pressure on you. It's like the Philadelphia 76er fans said, Colin, you don't know anything.

We're going to keep all our guys. You couldn't afford to keep all your guys. Dallas can't afford to keep all their guys here, Cowboy fans. You can't. It's called a salary cap. Yeah, it just doesn't. It's not. Unless someone's going to take a massive deal.

cut, which they're not, because they shouldn't, especially Dak being that he's been playing on a fourth round rookie contract. Joy of the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The heard-by-news. Reggie Bush around the corner joining us, talk some OBJ. You've heard us talk about four hymns for a while.

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And on my podcast, The Clivert Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff, like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me, he goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out.

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But there's so much more to me than that. I'm an actor. I'm a comedian. And recently, I've become quite the helper myself. And on my new podcast, Hope from a Hypocrite, I'll be changing lives, helping people in need with my sage advice and thoughtful solutions. Sike, I'm a comedian. I'm not qualified to give good advice. Join me and my comedian friends as we riff, rant,

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or wherever you get your podcasts. 11 years in the NFL, Super Bowl chant with the Saints, 10 years ago. Reggie Bush, now a Fox football college football analyst. All right, so before I get to OBJ, Cam Newton, all or nothing, the Amazon series. It confirmed a lot of my criticisms. That's how I would view it is I've always seen him as talented, but distracted.

Yeah. This thing is about junk food, cigars, fashion. There's almost no football. None. I mean, none. At all. What do you make of it? Am I being too critical?

What do you make of it? I don't think it being too critical because if you're going to put yourself out there on one side as this is my brand, this is what I stand for, well, then you better go take care of the football field side because I think social media has driven the younger generation to be more focused on their brand first than the sports. than the sport that has afforded them to be able to do these things, right? It's brand then football where I'm not saying Cam Newton doesn't work hard, but you can work hard and still not be all in. You can work hard and still come up short, right? Because this game, the NFL level, it's extremely hard. It's a game of inches.

It's just like details or everything. and I look at Cam and I think talented, but good hell is he distracted. Yes. And to me, the play I always think about is in the Super Bowl. It's 16 to 10 and the ball's on the ground right in front of Cam Newton. He has an opportunity to go get that ball. That is not the time to get the alligator arms. It's you got to pull teeth, pull hair, eyelids, whatever you got to do to get that football back.

Cam didn't want to get hurt. He didn't want no part of that. And when a lot of the coaches, team, I played on, especially when we won championships, when that ball's on the ground, it's a dog pile. Everybody and their mom is on top of that ball trying to pull jerseys, hair, whatever they can to get that football back. Coach Carroll used to always preach that when the ball was on the ground, it has to be ours. It's not 50-50. It has to be our ball. And if you got a fight kick, crack, fight, kick, scratch, whatever you got to do to get that ball back, that's what you have to do.

And so to me, that's a play that's going to haunt him for a long time until he changed. changes the narrative. No, I think that there is a sense. People say they're committed. I remember one time Drew Brees. You know, Drew. I was at the other company I used to work at. It's midsummer.

And Drew Brees was there for a fly-in, fly-out, you know, the car wash. He did four shows. Middle of the day, he's like, I had 40 minutes. He's in the gym, sweating. And I'm like, aren't you on? He goes, yeah, I had 40 minutes. He raced to the gym. He's doing it.

He goes, my shoulder every day. I've got to do it. And I'm like, that is committed. In between a hit on. one show running to the gym to get a 40 and then basically put a dress shirt on and run back and I'm like that's why Drew breezes. Let me give you another story about Drew because I think I talked about this before when I was a rookie I would try to beat Drew into the facility.

So I would try to wake up as early as it could possibly wake up at 21 years old, right? So I would get there 6 a.m. There's no sunlight out. There's one car in a parking lot. It would be Drew's car. And he'd be already in the facility in the film room, studying film. So he's in there before the coaches. right and so that tells you all you need to know about drew now i'm not saying cam newton doesn't do

those kinds of things but whatever he's doing right now is not translating to victories you know for the team and he's been injured so then you have to factor in that on top of it because if you're going to i'm watching a clip from him from from that video talking about how he's the bear right he sets the tone he's the guy well if that's the case then um you got to be able to man up or do whatever you can to will your team the victory uh when you're injured, right? Because we've seen quarterbacks play through injury. And I'm not saying that, you know, his shoulder injury

he had, he could have played through, but I know that I've seen a lot of the great ones play through injury and make you think that, man, was he ever injured? Like, I wasn't sure. Like when Michael Jordan had that performance, when he had the flu, when he was sick, right? Like, you weren't sure after watching him, like,

did he really have the flu? You know what I mean? And so to me, the great ones do that. They're able to play through the injuries, play through adversity. even when they feel like crap. Yeah, it's Russell Wilson years ago. I lived on the East Coast, and I never forget this. I got up at 7 in the morning, and Russell Wilson was on his way off season to workout, his rookie year. It was 4.10 a.m. in Seattle.

And he is texting. He's like, headed to the workout. Let's do it, baby. It's 7 in the morning. It's 4. in Seattle. And I'm like, and I remember texting a buddy, I'm like, dude, this is, this is our Ciac quarterback.

Yeah. 4.10 a.m. Russell Wilson is driving to the facility in Seattle at 4.10. Right. Like when you turn on Cam, when you put a cam's brand next to Russell Wilson's brand, you know that everything Russell Wilson is selling you was probably exactly how he is when the cameras aren't on, right? Like you just said, he's working at a 4 a.m.

There's a portion of that that feels like that may not be Cam Newton, right? Like, I don't know if he's doing it if he's not, but it's the question of it, right? Like, is he getting up that early? For Russell, you know, oh, no, he's getting up that early. Like, he's working his butt off. Yeah, by the way, this is, it's one of these things that I've been critical to Cam. This series just kind of confirmed what I thought, which is he's big, he's powerful. He's not a terrible teammate, but he's a distracted quarterback.

And I think in a game of football that's inches not feet, it's very hard to be distracted. I mean, we talked about this. By the way, Odell, back him to Cleveland. Is it going to work? I think it'll work, yeah. I think it's definitely going to work. And I think he understands the opportunity that he has in front of him. Now, I understand a lot of the criticism that's coming out with the GQ magazine article that he just had.

But I think this is his first exposure to a great team, right? This is his first exposure to, oh, I don't have to go out and be Superman. Like, I got Jarvis on the other side. I got Injoku. I got Nick Chubb, right? I got Baker Mayfield, who is young, energetic, who's going to get me the football. But I think this is his first exposure to a championship caliber team. So I think that in itself is going to elevate his play.

I think we're going to see a much more free O'Dell Beckham this year because there's something to be said for when you can look to the other side of the ball and your teammate is making those one-handed catches too, right? He's making those contested catches too. Or Nick Chub is bursting down the football field for 30 yards. Or Injoku is making a leaping dive over a line. linebacker for a touchdown. There's something to be said for that where the culture now rubs off on everybody. And I think that's what's going to happen with O'Dell this year. Yeah, you know,

Jarvis Landry, because he played in Miami on a bad team, and last year he plays in Cleveland on a pretty average team. Jarvis Landry is a 90 catch a year pro ball. Like everybody every year. Like he's got the most catches in the history of the NFL for a receiver heading into his like fifth year. Yeah. Like that's my question on this is, Man, Baker Mayfield's got a lot of mouths to feed. A lot. A lot. A lot.

A lot of. You know how we talk about basketball players? Like their high volume scores. They're taking a lot of shots. Jarvis Landry is a high volume receiver. Without a doubt. And I think the smart thing for Baker to do. Quickly.

15 seconds. He's got to take Enjoku, Jarvis Landry, O'Dell, Nick Chubb. They all got to get in the room here and say, look, guys, I know we all want to be great, but I got one football. And the more unselfish we can be, the better shot we have at winning this thing. Yeah, create some clarity. because there are a... It has to be clarity. Oh, my God.

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Live in L.A., we're in hour number three on a Monday, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS-WON. I'm just a bunch of pile of stuff I have. haven't gotten to you today. Pat Fitzgerald had some comments about college football, why the attendance is going down. I've got my thoughts on that. Brett Farve says Baker Mayfield and Patrick Mahomes played just like him. I totally disagree. I think we've romanticized the term gunslinger when I actually think gunslinger is a negative now in football. So it's great to have you. Joy Taylor

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Serious XM, Herd Channel 83. T.J. Hushman Zata is going to join us. He'll talk about Odell Beckham, who's all over the GQ article today. And in best for last, the most surprising quotes from the article today on Odell Beckham Jr. It's go to GQ. It's got nice fashion. It'll tell you what tie to wear, what shoes to wear with those brown

slacks, and also all about Odell Beckham. Let me start with this, though. I have not, I've said this before. I have not been a Patriot fan my entire life. But when I moved to Connecticut, I've become a fan of the way they do business. It is football for smart people. And I've watched a lot of football in my life, a lot of college, and a lot of pro. And I'd never seen football that was as smart as the way New England does it. They've always got a purpose. Every, every play, every series, every game, every month. And they kind of keep rinsing and repeating. September is their experimental month. Thanksgiving is the kind of the point of the season where they tighten up the screws and they play great football. They just keep doing it over and over and over again. And they continue to have doubters.

Belichick has just created a system. Brady's a system quarterback. But Tony Romo was talking about Bill Belichick this weekend. and Romo had his first year in the booth for CBS. Romo did a great job. And Romo was talking about Belichick and how, and this is something to say, because Romo's a student of the game. Romo's a smart guy. Romo's a home run as an announcer.

I think he's surprised even the people that thought he would be good. He was great. And he talked about Belichick and how he's different than other people in football. When I'm around him, I learn. And that's really a joy when you can really learn something more about football with people around. you have people that can teach you the game after you've been studying for 15, 20 years,

that's a really, that's a joy. I mean, I honestly learn every time I'm around him. That's, that's, he's really, really special. Um, I have a couple of friends who are very close with Belichick. Uh, one, in fact, vacations with Bill. Um, and they always say the same thing. Bill's a very curious person. His mom spoke multiple languages.

His dad sort of created scouting. He had very academic, very cerebral parents. And they created a very. very cerebral little boy who is a studier and a reader and he's curious and he's always growing and he doesn't rest on his laurels. He's uniquely built to be a great coach. He's super creative and super curious. Credit his mother and credit his father and credit the household. They created that. I think what we have with Belichick, and we don't want to admit it because we love football and football is the sport of hope, right? We all have a chance to win. Like 22 of the 32 teams can make

an argument and they can win the Super Bowl. It doesn't work that way in the NBA, baseball, MLS, hockey. And I think we have the greatest gap in the history of any sport in coaching. Think about how great Coach K is, right? Now think about this at Duke. Coach K is great. He's so great in college, we let him coach our pros in the Olympics. And in 15 years, with massive talent advantages at Duke, they've been at two final fours. We think Nick Saban's great. Nick Saban, because you can recruit 25, new first rounders every year in college, with massive talent advantages in his career. It's 14 and 10 in bowl games.

And after they lose to Clemson this year, they'll be 14 and 11 in 25 bowl games. We saw Bill Belichick, the greatest football coach ever, against the best young football coach in the Super Bowl. It was a clinic. It was embarrassing for Sean McVeigh. It was a clinic. Fans in the media get so enamored with talent. When has New England ever had the best talent?

One time, 2007, they had the best personnel in the league on offense. They went 16 and 0 and broke every record. You really think when Freddie Kitchens and Belichick meet in week eight this year, it's a fair fight? Really? When Belichick was winning his first Super Bowl, Freddie Kitchens was the running back coach at North Texas. It's not a fair fight. Even Hall of Fame coaches, and Mike Tomlin will be a Hall of Fame coach

appear outmatched. Even young coaches, we think are excellent Anthony Lynn of the Chargers, flummoxed. In 20 years, there are only two coaches that have truly given Bill Belichick trouble. Number one, Andy Reid in the regular season and number two, Tom Coughlin in the postseason. Outside of that, even when he went up

against Pete Carroll in a Super Bowl, or Mike Tomlin, and those are first ballot Hall of Fame guys, Tony Dungeys. It felt like he was sort of on a different level. Sean McMahon, the Super Bowl, on a completely different level. So we look at these great coaches in sports, as great as Shoshchowski is, with talent advantages, as great as Saban is, with massive talent and money advantages from the SEC.

They don't dominate like Bill Belichick does, who's going to win what? His 12th? That of the last 13 years he's going to win his division. have a buy, host a playoff game. I mean, there was a moment last year. Remember when the Rams played the Chiefs in the Coliseum? A thousand yards. Remember that game?

It's the craziest football game I've ever seen. There were 105 points. And there were 8, over 1,000 yards. They were the two most explosive offenses all year. Bill Belichick, who's a defensive coach. His history is in defense. played the Chiefs and the Rams combined. They scored zero points in the first half.

And that's the game plan, part of a football game. Second halfs, you can make adjustments, but who's got more depth? Who's got more power? Who's got better players? First half is a game plan. We're going to unveil it. The Chiefs and the Rams in the Super Bowl combined. Those two played New England, could not score a point.

Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid, Tyree killed, Travis Kelsey couldn't score a point. Robert Woods, Jared Goff, Sean McVeigh, Andrew Whitworth, Todd Gurley, couldn't score a point combined against Belichick's game plans in the first half. There's never been a gap in coaching in any sport, any level, like Belichick and the rest of the NFL. A young man wrote a piece on Odell Beckham for Gentleman Quarterly. His name is Mark Anthony Green. it's a fascinating article, and I'd like to talk about it for a couple of minutes. It talks about a bunch of stuff.

But I've said before, I think Odell Beckham and Cleveland is going to work initially. I have questions about how it works long term. And the reason being is Cleveland in the offseason just added to their strengths and didn't solve their weaknesses. Their weakness was their offensive line. Their strengths were running back and wide receiver. Well, they just added really great players in both of those. And I do have questions long term.

After reading this article, Odell Beckham has certain stats he wants to reach, like 23,000 yards. He has no chance to reach that if Jarvis Landry is on the other side of the field. Jarvis Landry is a 90-catch wide receiver. That's what he averages. He's a four straight Pro Bowl, 90-catch-a-year receiver. Call in their friends. There's an old saying, friends don't let friends drive drunk. Friends also don't let friends have 45 of their catches.

It just doesn't work that way. James Hardin and Russell Westbrook could be friends. Friends don't give the ball and 17 points a night up to their friends. These are short careers. So the interview is fascinating. Odell Beckham is very aware of certain statistical goals he wants to reach and he has no chance to reach them because the guy who's his friend, Jarvis Landry,

is a 90-catch fledgling star, wide receiver, and a volume catcher. He ain't given 40 catches up to Odell Beckham, and they've got the best young tied-in in football, and they've got three legitimate running backs. So Cleveland, in baseball, the Dodgers need bullpen help. They wouldn't go get another starter. In basketball, the Utah Jazz needed a point guard that could shoot

and an outside guy that can shoot. That's what the Utah Jazz acquired. The Browns had a great ride receiver and a great tight-in and several backs, and they've added to all of them. And what's interesting is Odell in this interview has real statistical global goals from his brand to his numbers he wants to achieve. They mean a lot to him, and I think that's great. He's not going to reach those.

I mean, he's fully aware of his numbers. At one point, he talked about his Instagram page. He goes, I remember that great catch. I went home and I added like 100,000 Instagram followers, then 200,000. If you would have asked me five years ago, I'd have 13 million followers on Instagram. I would have told you, no, no way. Numbers he likes to achieve. He's keeping track.

And that's okay. I like goals and I like people who set them. But it will be fascinating after you read this article to see how it works in Cleveland. because the Brown's general manager, they didn't need a wide receiver. And they didn't need running backs. And they added both. What they needed was a better offensive line and better tackles. And they added neither.

I think it's going to work initially. But when you start reading this and you see Odell's goals and the Jerry Rice numbers he talks about and the Instagram followers, he's aware of this stuff. And Jarvis Landry is as good as almost any young wide receiver in the game. and he's a 90 catch wide receiver. There's no room for another guy to make 80. They just don't have that many, they don't have that many plays.

Chris Carter this morning talked about it. Like he had to work and play with Randy Moss at one point. Here's Chris Carter. When Dennis Green started putting Randy Moss in my position in the offense, and he started letting Randy know, listen, we can dictate the coverage. I'm going to show you the secret recipe to how we've been making this guy so good,

didn't like that one. much. I didn't need Randy Moss. It was up to the coaches to be able to find the system. And it worked for about three and a half years. Three and a half years, that's when they put Randy, start putting him in my spot and I wasn't happy. All right, good stuff today. T.J. Hushman Zada will be joining us to talk about how this thing is going to work. T.J. of course, has been in offenses with stars on the other side of the field. So he'll be joining us. Also, Brett Farve says Baker Mayfield and Patrick Mahomes played just like me. And I completely disagree with that. I think they actually play a brand of football where you can win

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in today's NFL. And Farrv said basically Baker Mayfield and Patrick Mahomes play the way I

play, which I totally disagree. Fav, really, his nickname was Gunslinger. I don't think

Gunslinger, I think it's romanticized more than the reality of it. I don't think gunslingers win in the

NFL as much as they should, although sometimes like Big Ben, who I would call a gunslinger, which means sometimes not as

precise, adlib's a little too much, It's a little backyard football. The two or three guys in this league that I think tend to have a little gunslinger are Aaron Rogers, Big Ben, and Cam Newton. Now, I will say, Aaron is precise, more precise than Cam or Big Ben. So it's not the precision part, but he's an ad libber. He ad libs out of place.

Gunslinger means it's backyard football. And I always thought Fav didn't win enough for his talent. I don't think Big Ben wins enough for his talent. I don't think Cam Newton wins enough for his talent. I don't think Aaron Rogers wins enough for his talent. I don't buy into gunslinger. I don't think Patrick Mohombs is a gunslinger. I don't think Baker Mayfield's a gunslinger.

Mahomes has a great arm, but 67% completion percentage, incredibly coachable. I don't think he makes that many risky throws. I don't think gunslingers work in today's NFL. I don't. I think they can win. They don't win championships. Philip Rivers has got a little bit of gunslinger. He throws too many picks.

Big Ben's got gunslinger. He throws too much. picks. Cam Newton's a gunslinger. He's not precise enough. Aaron Rogers, a little gunslinger. He ad-libs too much. It's gotten him hurt. So now, Farv is funny, and Farv always plays up the fact that, you know, he didn't make it up a lot. He wasn't overly academic the way he played. He had a sound bite this weekend about this. I said, Ty, I've got to answer your question. He says, what's that? I said, what's the nipple defense? He says, are you serious? I said, yeah, series. He says, well, they basically take out a linebacker and bring in a DB. I said, that's it.

I said, that's it. I said, who gives that? That resurfaced this weekend. It's about a three-year-old clip. And Farv has always sort of joked. He's a good old boy from the South. He was a gunslinger. He didn't need all the intricate knowledge of stuff, although it should be noted. It's not like Brett Farb didn't study and didn't go to practice. He just didn't love it. But I think the whole thing that Mahomes plays like, you know, Fav, and I don't think he does. I think Gunslinger is romanticized. I don't think it wins enough. I think the league has changed.

The league now is about 68% completions, get rid of the ball quickly, be super accurate, and by the way, be coachable. And I don't think Big Ben is always coachable. I don't think Cam is easy to coach. I think sometimes Aaron Rogers is tough to coach. And with all three, I'd say, you know, they just don't win enough for me, considering their talent. Second football story I want to get to before T.J. Hushman Zada. This weekend, Pat Fitzgerald is a very good football coaching college for Northwestern in the Big Ten.

It's a very, very stringent, private academic school. The fact they can win eight football games a year is pretty amazing. It is not a school. It's hard to get into, brutal academically, like tougher than Notre Dame academically, as tough as Stanford academically. And when those schools can win eight or nine games, your Stanford's, your Notre Dame's, your Northwestern, tip of the cap. This is a very good football coach.

He was talking about a real problem in college football, which is the TV numbers are good, but declining attendance, and here's what he said. It's just changed the way a lot of younger people and younger fans intake is all through technology. And, I mean, you watch a concert, and everybody's holding their phone up. Like, listen, watch, take it in, create a memory.

Because they don't go back and watch the videos. they just want to post it on their social media, which is pathetic because it creates a society of, look at me, isn't my life great? I think the next and younger generation of fans are more reliant on technology. They'd rather have 12 TVs set up in their TV watching cave than go to a game and experience the pageantry and the tailgating.

So I think it's definitely things that we need to look at as a brand college football on how we can maybe create that type of environment. and experience. I don't think he's wrong on technology. I do think younger people, you know, they go to concerts and hold up their phone. They don't watch the concert as much. But I will say this.

College football also has a problem. They could change very easily. Schedule better games. Week 1 of college football matchups. LSU against Georgia Southern, Texas against Louisiana Tech, USC and Fresno State, Bama and Duke. I mean, outside of Oregon, Auburn,

what would you pay to watch? These are garbage games. By the way, week one of the NFL, urgency, stars. Like, it's hard to find a bad game in week one of the NFL. The NFL knows they're building smaller stadiums. They're tweaking their schedule to put the best games on TV for you. The NFL's constantly worried about parity and good games and good matchups for you, the fans. Alabama's schedule.

College football coaches are all now avoiding losses because they all want to get bowl eligible. So you've got a bunch of garbage product out there. And I love college football, but you've got to wait to week four to get a weekend of like seven good games. And it should be front-loaded because the NFL really doesn't matter until October. So you could dominate September. I mean, look at Alabama's schedule. The four games Alabama could control because the SEC hands out the schedule. But they can control four games.

They scheduled Duke, New Mexico State, Southern Miss, and Western Carolina. I wouldn't walk across the street to watch those games. And Nick Saban controls that. Nick Saban doesn't control the other eight. He controls those four. And Saban complains, oh, the students aren't coming out. Yeah, because they have a life. There's options.

There's a bunch of stuff on TV or on their phones. Stop blaming the fans. I don't have a problem. Yes, ticket prices have been increased across all of our sports. but we're still going to NBA games because the product's good. We're still going to NFL games because the product's good. And I live in Los Angeles and Dodger Stadium's full a lot because the product's good. College football coaches, schedule better games.

Stop with the three and four layups. Nobody wants to watch 5514. It's a rip-off for fans. And I love college football. Yes, the technology doesn't help your case. But I see hockey arenas jammed. Those tickets are twice as expensive as yours. Hockey arenas are jammed.

Duke, you can't get a ticket to watch Zion play last year. I see all sorts of jammed arenas. What I see are empty seats in college football stadiums in these awful wasted Saturdays when you're scheduled Panera Bread and roast beef tech in Western Carolina. Get the directional schools off to schedule and people want to go to your games.

Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Also, those fancy high-tech phones, yeah, they're not going anywhere. So they want to, like, pick up the pace on trying to figure out how to get ahead of that. Those are here to stay. So Levy on Bell has gotten some criticism this offseason from fans who think he's too focused on non-football endeavors.

And he took the Instagram to respond to those critics at the airport. I'm tired of this one for me. I'm tired of everybody. I'm tired of everybody. Yeah. You're not focused. He only want to make music. He want to play basketball.

He do everything besides playing football. Let me tell you something. Everybody's talking that. I know y'all got a favorite person, a favorite athlete, your mom, your dad, whatever they all do. So if somebody work at Target, but you think when they work from day nine to five, they go home and all he do when they're worried about

putting f*** on the shelves, you think Juan is waking up? Oh, he ain't have no Taco Tuesdays? two days. Bro don't have a fucking Tuesday. Y'all think he's just hooping all day? Does he be honest, we're going to be singing all day? That's got funny.

I mean, he makes a very good point that you don't do what you do for a living all day. We do go home and, you know, do some research, check Twitter, see what's going on, check some scores, you know, and pay attention to what's going on. But I do not spend all of my day in front of a microphone

talking about sports. Obviously, you have other interests. This is just what comes with with the territory. When you post what you do outside of what you do on social media, people are going to have an opinion about it. Everyone in life has an opinion now. That's the new wave, just like those fancy phones that you see at college football games. Everyone has an opinion now too. So I fully agree with him and what he's saying. He has every right to be into music or play basketball or paint or do whatever it is, garden, whatever it is, he feels like he wants

to do with his free time. But also everyone's going to have an opinion about it. And he just can't pay attention to the opinion because who cares? Just go out there and ball and everyone will forget that you put a couple tracks out in the off season. It really doesn't matter as long as you're winning. Yeah. If he runs for 1,200 yards or 1,500 yards, he could do whatever he wants in the off season. But by the way, some of these running backs, remember we had C.J. Anderson on?

Like, some of these running backs, they'll tell you, like, for like six weeks after the season. Dude, they go eat fudge cake and they, they have to. Their body is so. You have to give your body a break. Yeah. They'll just literally just. I'm going to eat poorly. I've got to nourish my body and relax and just surf and yoga and hang out and have a beer.

And chill. And give your brain a break too. And in Levion's defense, he can't win. If guys go in the offseason or during the season and get in trouble with their free time, they hear it. And if they do something like go in the booth and I'm at a board of track they hear. They can't win. I'm really excited to see how he fits the Jets because they, they, Darnold needs help. Like Baker walked into this league with a bunch of good offensive guys around him.

Donald walked into this league with a bad old line, no backs, and one receiver. And by the way, Donald's losing his top tight end for the first four weeks because of a suspension, I believe. So like, Levian's going to be huge for the Jets. And Levion's in an interesting position because we haven't seen him in a while. So even though it wasn't from injury, he kind of has that Kauai Leonard KD effect now, where we've forgotten how great Levion really is. So we've talked a lot about if James Hart, Arden and Russell Westbrook can co-exist.

They're both very ball dominant and isolation-heavy players. Are they going to fit together? Well, Hardin says he's not concerned. It's that trust factor. You know, I trust him, he trusts me. And, you know, obviously with the group that we already have and, you know, the things that we've already accomplished, it should be an easy transition for him.

Just, you know, be incorporated right in. You communicate and you go out there and you compete and possession by possession, you figure things out. Throughout the course of the season, you figure things out. and that's just what it is, you know. But when you have talent, you have guys with IQ, you've got guys that are willing to sacrifice, it always works itself out.

The willing to sacrifice part of that saving is the biggest deal to me. The things that I'll watch for with the Rockets are obviously are Hardin and Westbrook willing to give up what they need to give up to coexist and to make that offense work. And is DeAntoony going to assign roles and keep this team mentally where they need to be

especially deep into the postings? season, which is where we expect them to be at the end of the year. I think this is a very interesting situation because the rockets were great before Westbrook got there. They just had, they couldn't get over the hump with the Warriors. Well, the Warriors are not assembled the same

way they were before, although I don't think that the Warriors are going to be bad this year by any stretch of the imagination. But they can't use that excuse anymore. The league has mostly been neutralized. It's all two guys and then the rest of the team and what those pieces around them are, are great.

they had a great assembled team. Now can they make that extra push? That'll be interesting to see. I think that the talent is obviously there, but the talent was there with Chris Paul. Like, it's not that Chris Paul's washed up. There's no easy Ws, man. If you don't get that thing figured out quick,

you end up being a seven seed in the West now fast. That's what will also be interesting because there's a little more added pressure now than there was last year because everyone just expected the Warriors to win. So when they start going through any type of growing pain so there's any kind of drama is that locker room going to stay together to be able to handle that we'll see so finally mani packeye out proved age is only a number is it safe to say we

should stop getting too dramatic about the 40 year old athletes well i think everybody's i understand they're outliers but if they're still out there performing we should not consider that well is 40 the new 35 based on nutrition i think it's safe to say that yeah not for everybody but i think if you are an athlete that's going to go out there and perform or fight or your tom brady you're going to play at that age. And you're really committed to your sport. Then you have to consider that they're taking care of their body and that they have a bit of a mental advantage.

Athletes eat better. Experience. They have full-time nutritionists. Rehab is better now. Everything. It's a whole different world. Like, Manny looked so much faster than Keith Thurman. Like, he looked like the young guy.

Yes. What, he just is so skilled. You could tell the experience and the skill level was just superior in that fight. Like obviously everyone was talking about the youth of Keith Thurman and he was undefeated up until this point. Mani wanted to split decision, but that's just what you were looking at. It's just his youth and that he was undefeated.

It's not, Thurman's a great fighter. It just wasn't the matchup for him. I mean, Pacio just looked like everything that Thurman threw at him was just, he just absorbed and came right back. There wasn't a moment in the fight where I felt like it was going to turn. Now, that that fight was as much about feet as it was hands. Mani's feet, like angles. And just light.

He was just moving. So now the conversation is our Mayweather, who is now 42 and Pachial going to have a rematch. And I'm okay with it. I'd watch that. I don't think it's going to happen, though. Listen, I pay for every big fight. So I'm going to watch it. Mayweather, Pacquio's no, I don't want to watch it again, but I'll buy it.

Listen, I'm a sucker for big fight. We're going to watch it. There's just no way we're not going to watch that. Saturday, I fly fish. And all day I thought about this fight. Like this is, I just, I love a big fight. And it delivered. It was a really exciting fight.

Tons of action. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. I want to bring T.J. Hushman's Auto and he has actually a very unique perspective. Odell Beckham is this week. He's in GQ magazine.

There's a lot of different questions about the article where, and we'll have that in a couple of minutes. But it's interesting because you and Ocho Cinco made it. work. But Chad was established and then you came on board. Yeah. So I would imagine initially, did you talk about it before the season?

No, you don't talk about stuff like that. You don't talk about, I'm going to need about 28 of your catches? No, it was Chad established himself before I did. Chad, I believe, became a starter. Our second year, I became a starter, our fourth

year. And I think he led the team and catches my first year as a starter, which was his fourth year, our third year. And then after that, I led the team and catches every year after that. Did it bother him? I don't believe it did because it was, now, I don't know if that's true or not. That's a great question. I have no idea. But he knew he was going to get his. Like, every passplate we drew up for the most part, I would say 85% of them, 90% were designed to go to my or Chad. And so the defense, whatever they gave, what look they gave, it would go to myself or Chad. And he knew I'm going to get mine eventually. Body language, you didn't sense any discomfort with having a great player next to him. No. And the only thing that when I'm asked this question

is it makes me think like, there's times when Chad would get upset and it was because he wasn't getting the ball. But that's every receiver. It has nothing to do with, because I'm getting the ball. But every receiver wants the ball. Number one, I don't want a receiver on my team that doesn't want the ball. Like, if you're happy with not getting the ball, I don't want you on my team. Jarvis Landry is a 90-catchy-year, high-volume catcher. Now, he's a slot guy, and he doesn't have the overall, I would say, home-run equivalency of Odell Beckham. But he's a great slot receiver. How do you have a lot? think it works. And by the way, they also have

a tremendous young tied end, David and Joku, and they have three great backs. I mean, and the second year guy, Calloway, he can play. They have good skilled players. The thing is, Jarvis' his targets and his catches,

they're probably going to drop unless they go no huddle, they play up tempo. They're going to drop. But he'll still get his because he is in a slot. Those third down play. second and short, they'll be designed to go to Jarvis. Now, if the defense takes it away,

it would either go to Injoku or OBJ or maybe a back on a checkdown. It just really depends. And that's why I say with Cleveland, I'm sold on the personnel. The head coaches who concerns me, can he navigate through this and handle this the right way? Okay, because when you are in Cincinnati, your coach, Marvin Lewis, a strong, kind of a Doc Rivers-ish,

strong, respected by players. Were there moments on that Cincinnati team with two high profile receivers that you look back and go, boy, I'm glad we had Marvin as the coach. You know, Marvin was tough. I'm not even going to lie. Marvin would get on us.

That's for sure. And it was just, but the thing I will say, Marvin knew me and Chad, we were going to work. Like, we were to start in receivers. And to the day I retired, I did scout team when my last year with the Raiders. Like we did scout team in Cincinnati every practice, every year we were there. Now explain what that means to the audience.

Okay. So when we're working offensive plays, the starters, which is us on offense, goes against the scout team defense that give us a look of the defense we think we're going to see that. And you wouldn't take it off. And then we would service. So now when our starting defense is working, the scout team offense would give them their look. So say we're playing the Packers, we would run the Packers offense. And I'm like, okay, I'm going to be Greg Jennings on his play.

And me and Chad took all those reps. So the young receivers, that should be their reps. We were taking them because we just wanted to practice. And I did that to the day I retired. And every coach that I've ever played for can attested it. I did scout team from the day I retired because I wanted to be the best. And so I wanted to get better and better and better. So I never took reps off.

When I was healthy, I'm taking all the reps. I think it's going to be fascinating in Cleveland. And I'm going to hold you over. I want to talk more about this and some things we got coming up in the NFL with T.J. Hushmanzada. But becoming a successful business owner does not happen. It takes really, really hard work. It takes resources.

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In Cincinnati, you and Ocho worked, but you guys had a blocking tight end. Yeah, Reggie Kelly was our tight end. He probably, I'm a guess. 25 catches max? Oh, max. Okay. 25 catches in two years. So the Browns have a great third receiver and David and Joku is the best.

second-best young receiver. So that's my point. Jarvis Landry is still going to catch his 75-80 balls. He'll come back. The tight end's going to catch 70 or 60. The tight-in needs to catch no more than 50 if OBJ and Jarvis is going to get the looks that they want. I think there's, this is a, listen, it's like having,

if Clay Thompson got healthy and he got Steph and Clay and DiAngelo, it would take some work to get all of them the shots because they're all, by the way, are playmakers and ball handlers. So I do think sometimes, you know, it's a hardened Westbrook thing. And you know what else? If they're winning the last five, six minutes of a game, we're running a ball. So those are less targets. If you're winning, you're not even passing a ball at the end of games.

You're running a clockout. Oh. That's less opportunity right there. Now, if you're in close games and you're losing, okay, my stats are going to be there. But if you're winning games, that's less opportunity. That's a really good point. Oh, Lord. And by the way, they'll be favored and at least have.

At the end of the year, Cleveland plays a lot of games against a lot of teams that may not be in a playoff race. They could have some laydown wins. They're not throwing the ball late. No, not at all. You got to get the win. And so statistically, you suffer. I'm going to give you some, I'm going to give you some, a couple of quotes from the Odell Beckham GQ interview. And you just say whatever you want.

He compares himself at one point to Tom Brady. Here's the one about Jerry Rice. He says, I want to. play for 10 more seasons, yeah, or until I pass Jerry. That's the goal, 23,000 yards. Did you ever think about yards and touchdowns? Was that part of your mindset as a player? Yeah, you, yes, you think about your stats and people, oh, that's selfish. If I'm doing well, the team's doing well. And so that's how you look at it. But you, you set goals for yourself. And I want to have X amount of catches, X amount of yards. If I can get these touchdowns, that,

that's tough. But yeah, of course you do. Okay, here's another quote. He compares himself to Tom Brady. He said, you know, Tom throws a cup. Tom yells, but he's won a bunch of Super Bowls. So people say, well, he's won a bunch of Super Bowls. That validates it. But, you know, I go out and I bang in a kicking net and they're like, hey, why are you mad?

He compares himself to Brady. Do you see similarities? No, I don't see the similarities. I mean, I get where he's coming from. He's just saying, why when I do something is such a big deal. But New England wins. when you win, you get away with more. That's just the way the world operates in sports.

When you win, you get more leeway. They give you more rope, meaning the media. And so he had one winning season in New York, his third season. Other than that, every season was a losing season. Yeah, it is a great antiseptic for controversy. If you're pulling Ws down, Randy Moss wasn't controversial for three years in New England. He was pulling down, touchdown. When you're winning, you get away with more.

Here's another thing. Odell Beckham says he considered retirement. at 24, which, you know, he was said, quote, I was just off it, to love something so much at a place where just to watch it be tainted, all kinds of things, like it hurt me to my soul. Have you ever thought about retiring early in your career? Never. I love football, man. Like, I think that was just talk.

He didn't really mean that. When you're that young in the prime of your career and everybody loves you, you're not thinking about retiring. I think that was just a quoteie threw out there and then probably thought afterwards like, why'd I say that? Just said something to... Yeah, I don't know what I was meaning when I said. No, no way he's thinking about retiring at 24.

He probably, he won't want to retire at 34, let alone 24. We had Mark Anthony Green interviewed him for this. How long is this sound bite go? Mark Anthony Green was talking about O'Dell Beckham. He talked about how sensitive he was. And I mean, the one thing Mark said, he said, listen, I'm a lot of, I'm a a sensitive writer. As a guy, I'm a sensitive guy. He said, O'Dell Beckham is kind of a sensitive athlete. I want you to talk about that. And there's nothing wrong with that. When you were in the

NFL, we always have this sense that you guys are all machismo, you're all alphas, you're all just, and in my experience covered NFL teams, they're shy guys, they're nonverbal guys, mostly good guys, a couple of bad guys, they're selfish guys, there's team guys. Did you ever play with people that were really sensitive, like the criticism from the media really got to them. There's not many people that like to be criticized. I don't care who you are, whether you're sensitive or not. You don't want to be criticized. You might fire back or you might just kind of go on a shell and be that shy person.

But nobody wants to be criticized. Everybody wants to be liked. Some people don't like it when they're not liked. And some people, oh, you don't like them is not a big deal. And so I believe everybody wants to be. wants to be liked by others, at least any same person. That's what my mom used to say. My mom used to say that.

Everybody wants to be liked. Now, whether you are or you aren't, now, if it affects you, then that becomes a problem. When other people can validate your feelings and how you feel because of how they feel about you, I believe that's a problem. Did you ever go to, you were a very mature player. I think I interviewed you while you were playing. You went to Oregon State, so I had followed you in college. Did you ever, when you were a very much?

a veteran player. Were there young guys in locker rooms that you'd put your arm around and be like, like, don't let it get to you? Like, because I think Odell is somebody that at least so far in his career, sometimes it takes him off. It sends him into kind of a spiral a little bit briefly. You would do that. It wouldn't have to be a young

player. It can be an older player that just didn't have that level of maturity. Of course you would. You, you see somebody being down for whatever reason and you would just go talk to him away from everybody else and just say, it's all right, man. Just let it go. Water off of Doug's back.

And so that happens all the time. Really? All the time. Yeah. I mean, just because we were athletes, we got feelings, too. Some guys are going to are softer than others. Yeah. Yeah. You weren't soft. No. You went junior college.

You had a tougher road. So it built, you had a lot of metal on that. I was working uphill. I've been working uphill my whole life. You're funny. All right. Good stuff. T.J. Hushman Zada. And speak for yourself as after our show did. It's great seeing you, bud. Thank you. Appreciate it.

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