The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Raiders Should Cut Antonio Brown

Episode Date: September 5, 2019

Colin responds to the Oakland Raiders possibly getting ready to suspended Antonio Brown, Brett Farve recent comments on the Packers offense, and what he sees wrong in Kyler Murray. Guests include Greg... Jennings, Greg Cosell, T. J. Houshmandzadeh, and Brady Poppinga.   Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:36 You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. NFL season tonight. Packers in Chicago, this is the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, live in LA, Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1.
Starting point is 00:02:58 One hour from now, Greg Kosell stops by. NFL meat sandwich. Hope you're hungry. cannot wait for tonight. Joy Taylor is joining me. Here we go. Football's back. I looked at the schedule this morning. There's no dog games. I mean, even like San Francisco Tampa at the end of last year was a dog, I can't wait to watch Jimmy Garoppel.
Starting point is 00:03:20 It's a great game. It's a great game. You've got to see James Winston under Bruce Ariens. There's a lot going on. Jets bills. Can't wait to watch that one. So tonight we have the opener. I have a theory on Life Joy, and I'm going to throw this out there for everybody. Being prepared in life is way better than just making crap up. I like to be prepared. When I go out to dinner with my wife, if I do a show, if I have a meeting, I like to be kind of game plan, be prepared. That's how I roll. Brett Farve is talking about Aaron Rogers and Aaron Rogers' new coach, Matt LaFleur. Now, I think Matt and Aaron are going to work because I think they're both smart and they both have something to lose.
Starting point is 00:04:09 They're both all in on it. So I think it'll work. I pick the Packers to win tonight and win their division. So I'm not some hater here. I think it's going to work because I think Aaron's smart. Matt Lufluer is smart. They both have something to lose here. So it's going to work.
Starting point is 00:04:26 But Brett Farr was talking yesterday about that relationship, the Aaron Matt won. And it's fascinating the word he uses here. Let's listen to it. I'm very curious to see how Lafleur and Aaron get along as the season progresses. I would hope that LaFleur wouldn't handcuff Aaron too much. I know he said he's changing the offense, but you know, you got to let him play and let him do his thing. And a lot of those things that he does are not in the playbook. And you do not want to take that away from him.
Starting point is 00:05:04 Brett Favve sees coaching as handcuffed. Tom Brady does not. Peyton Manning does not. Joe Montana did not. They have a lot more Super Bowls than Brett Farr. Brett Farrf is harder to coach, often didn't listen. That's an interesting word. Brett Favre sees coaching as handcuffed.
Starting point is 00:05:25 I do not. The great ones do not. I'll give you an example. I'm going to give you people on the left quarterbacks who I would say ad lib more, off the playbook more. This is not an indictment of them as people, but they tend to be ad livers, strong-willed, do it my way. And then on the right side for our television viewers,
Starting point is 00:05:49 and I'll mention this for our radio viewers, I'll give you people that were with how to strong coach, we're in a system, we're mostly occasional audibles, but more restrained. So on the left is Dan Marino, FAR, Big Ben, Aaron, Steve Young, and John Elway. Ad libers. Not to say they were all uncoachable,
Starting point is 00:06:11 but less, less restraint. On the right is the more coachable, stronger personalities as coach, more willing to play within the system. Montana, Peyton, Aikman, Bradshaw, Brady, and Drew Brees. They have three times the Super Bowls. Yeah. Being prepared is better than making crap.
Starting point is 00:06:31 up. You can win both ways. You will win more on the coachable. Listen to Bill Walsh. Chuck I mean, Terry Bradshaw was a wild child out of the South. And he tells great stories. Like Chuck Knoll was just not tolerant of Terry Bradshaw. This is what we're going to do. We're going to power run and play defense. And Terry says, I wanted to win. I wanted to win Super Bowls. So I listed my coach. And Terry's a big. personality. I listen to my coach. Troy Aikman. I'll listen to my coach. That's not to say Troy and Terry don't add lib.
Starting point is 00:07:07 Don't audible. But this idea that coaching is handcuffing, and this is where Aaron Rogers falls into the I'm going to make it up. Can I argue that Aaron Rogers has the most talent of any quarterback in 15 years? Then why is he only been to the Super Bowl one time? It's not like he's had bad offensive lines.
Starting point is 00:07:27 It's not like he's had like horrible general managers. Mike McCart was not a bad coach. So Bucky Brooks talked about this yesterday on the show that sometimes there's the gift and the burden of talent. And the burden of talent is that when you are gifted, you are harder to coach. Those guys can skip steps that other guys can't.
Starting point is 00:07:52 And so it's hard for them to rein it back in because they've always been able to just play on their God-given talents. Yes. And so what you hope is that, You play long enough where your athleticism carries you the first couple years, then your knowledge and your fundamentals allows you to build a long career. So you are right. Coachability comes easier for those who aren't A-level talents.
Starting point is 00:08:15 Maybe when you're a lesser talent, you have a more willing ear to listen to what coaches are telling you. And never forget this. Football's got a playbook. It's very disruptive to be part of an offense where you don't know what your quarterback's doing. Montana was easier to play with than Steve Young. Brady and Manning are easier to play with than the early Big Ben. By the way, Big Ben's first Super Bowl, he was a system quarterback. It was defense special teams, run game.
Starting point is 00:08:47 Big Ben won a Super Bowl early as coachable Big Ben. Since then, when he's been more ad lib, Big Ben, 15 years, won. Like, coaching's not handcuffing. Now, in the NBA, it's more player-driven. In baseball, it's more GM and pitcher-driven. But in football, listen to the coach. You have a playbook. It's hard to play with somebody making crap up.
Starting point is 00:09:15 By the way, people tend to think a lot of stuff is made up. Robin Williams, the comedian, makes you think he's just making up that thing, the late Robin Williams. He knew what he was doing. Curb Your enthusiasm is not ad-lived. There's a show in Hollywood called Whose Line Is It Anyway? You ever seen that show? They have writers.
Starting point is 00:09:32 You think they're just all brilliant. They've got teams of writers. Jimmy Fallon's got writers. Stephen Colbert's got writers. Letterman had writers. Leno had writers. Nobody's just making it up. They're making you think they're making it up.
Starting point is 00:09:48 All right. So yesterday, Zeke, Ezekiel Elliott, signed a massive contract. And Zeke talked yesterday. He wants to be the highest paid. I've always felt with athletes, and I think they deserve this respect. If you are the best at something, then Michael Jordan for a long time was not the highest paid player in the NBA. And even though he was the richest NBA player and had the shoe deal, out of respect, Michael Jordan wanted to be the highest paid player.
Starting point is 00:10:13 I get it. I totally get it. Zeke wants to be the highest paid running back. I get it. Deserves it. Here's what he said yesterday. I was definitely really anxious, you know, because I definitely wanted to be here for the start of the season. But, you know, I'm happy it got done.
Starting point is 00:10:28 did and I'm glad I was able to rejoin my teammates and, you know, start the season with him. Was it important for you to be the highest paid runnerback in football? It was. Why? Because I believe I'm the best. I don't have a problem with Zeke wanting to be the highest paid. I don't. I get it.
Starting point is 00:10:46 LeBron should want to be the highest paid player. Mike Trout should want to be the highest paid baseball player. I don't have a problem with it. My problem here isn't the running back. It's the organization. we have in the NFL a guidebook on how to win the most games. And it's New England. And Dallas is actually now doing a lot of the things that New England are the opposite.
Starting point is 00:11:12 By the way, Philadelphia shares a lot of New England's philosophies. Trade picks, get better, O line, D line. Dallas is now the opposite of how Philadelphia is doing stuff. The opposite of how New England's doing stuff. In Dallas, it's pale of our stars. In Dallas, Jerry gets emotionally loyal to players. In Dallas, the owner runs the football operation. In Dallas, we're going to go public with our big contracts all the time because it helps brand.
Starting point is 00:11:47 And I think this is the downside to an owner Jerry Jones I like. I love Jerry the businessman. I really do. but too often with Dallas, they let their branding stuff and their football stuff converge and mush together. New England and Philadelphia don't. The Rams don't. Kansas City does not.
Starting point is 00:12:06 The Colts are well run. The chargers. They don't. They don't. They do in Dallas. They've become a little bit like the Lakers where they're making decisions for basketball, but I think in those same rooms, they're really worried about how it lands for the brand. Every contract negotiation is discussed publicly.
Starting point is 00:12:28 It's not the way you really do it. Let's pay all our stars. That's not the way you do it. Let's get emotionally loyal. That's not really the way you do it. Let's pay one star running back. That's not the way the good teams are doing it. So I don't blame Zeke for wanting to get paid.
Starting point is 00:12:46 But Dallas, there are examples of how to win more in this league. This would be like being a stockbroker and having Warren Buffett and saying, I'm just going to know the opposite way. I don't believe in that. I've taken a lot of my business beliefs from Oprah and Howard Stern. I've looked at Oprah and Howard Stern. I've made calls to people who work with Oprah. And I'm like, oh, yeah, she's pretty smart about that.
Starting point is 00:13:12 And then she went into that. And then Howard did this. And Howard went into that. Why wouldn't I use them? Like, they're the two richest people in the history of my business. Why wouldn't I, why wouldn't you follow Warren Buffett? why wouldn't you watch what New England does? Like, is it arrogance? Is it vanity?
Starting point is 00:13:28 To me, there's a guidebook on how to do this. And I think Dallas sometimes now is just doing the opposite. Don't blame the player. In this instance, the owner, I think he needs to recalibrate. I think Jerry needs to stop living in the 90s. You know, the Cowboys had the Akeman, the Emmett, the Irvin, and they keep trying to duplicate it. Okay, we're going to go Romo to Marco Murray and Des. and now we're going to go
Starting point is 00:13:53 Dak and Zeke and Amari and no no no Aikman Emmett and Irvin that's a once in a franchise way to do it you're never going to get another Troy Aikman with Emmett and with
Starting point is 00:14:08 Michael Irvin Mari Cooper's good he's not Michael Irvin Dak is good not Troy Akeman and Zeke he may be as good at Emmett but like you can't look in the 90s and go, well, we did it in the 90s. Those are three Hall of Famers.
Starting point is 00:14:27 Here, I think you have one if he can Zeke stay out of trouble. Otherwise, you're going to have no Hall of Famers. Got an example of how to do it. It's New England. I'd start copying more often than not. Coming up next, something that I think is absolutely alarming. And it changes the way I see a football team. There's a young quarterback, not Baker Mayfield.
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Starting point is 00:19:51 So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. One of the things you find out as a parent is that your kids' personalities are formed by about eight, nine years old. And they become different variations of the same personality as they age. I am now basically the exact same person I was at nine years old. I'm verbal. I'm a talker. I'm goofy. I'm flaky at eight. I was flaky at eight at eight. So when I get older, I'm not losing my mind. I was crazy at seven, eight years old.
Starting point is 00:20:20 You know, my mom used to joke. She used to say, my late mother used to say all the time. She said, at nine years old, you were 42. She's like, you knew exactly where you were going, what you were doing, your world point of view. You were flaky at nine. You were verbal at nine. You don't change. You think you do. You don't. Eight year old is a 48 year old. Now, obviously, you get more educated. You more life experiences, but you don't have massive transformations of personality. The funny, goofy kid at 8, at 28's the funny guy, and at 38's the funny, same with women. I didn't know Joy at 8 years old, but if you did a deep dive on you, Joy, when you were 8 to 12, you're a lot's changed.
Starting point is 00:21:00 You're a smarter version. You may be a little more cynical with this, a little more optimistic with this, but you will become a version of who you are. And I was doing news broadcast with the hairbrush, so. So was I in stadiums. So when I hear something about somebody who is like 21, now it's really formed, this is not great. It is of my opinion that the most verbal position in American sports,
Starting point is 00:21:28 and there is no second place, is quarterback. You have to be verbal. You have to be verbal. You don't have to be big. You don't have to be athletic. You don't have to have a huge arm. You don't have to be relatable. You've got to talk.
Starting point is 00:21:45 Baker Mayfield's too cocky for my taste, but he's verbal. Aaron Rogers, too arrogant for my taste. But he's verbal. Marcus Mariotta is a non-verbal person, and it's been a huge issue in Tennessee. Jay Cutler, big arms, smart, very moody, struggled to communicate with coaches. It was his downfall.
Starting point is 00:22:08 He's probably the most talented quarterback that didn't win in a decade. Jay Cutler had a big brain and a huge arm. It was not a great communicator. Have you seen his reality show? He mumbles a lot. This story out of Arizona, Cliff Kingsbury, is verbal. He did quarterback. Says Kyler Murray doesn't really talk.
Starting point is 00:22:28 These are, do we have sound on this? That we have actual sound on this. This is not a little thing. This is a big issue. Here's Cliff. It's like picking, you know, pulling teeth with him, trying to tell him that I don't like a play because he wants to make them all work and that's his attitude.
Starting point is 00:22:47 But yeah, there's good conversations. And, you know, after today, walking out with the practice field, I'll try to get, hey, what don't you like? And he'll say I love it all and we'll move forward. But, you know, that's how he is. He's competitive and he wants to make it all work. It's not a little thing. This is not a little thing.
Starting point is 00:23:04 It has been the struggle with Cutler and Mariotta. They don't communicate well. By the way, sometimes I don't even love all the communication with Aaron Rogers or Big Ben, but they talk a lot. Condescending. Start fires. But they're verbal. Remember the Dan Patrick interview with Kyler Murray?
Starting point is 00:23:25 Like, Dan Patrick's a good interviewer. That's what Dan does. He couldn't get Kyler Murray to talk as an NFL fledgling quarterback. Are you going to the combine? I don't know. Dad, is he going to the combine? Dad had no comment there. Pro day?
Starting point is 00:23:52 I mean, that's after the combine. Yeah, you're going to do a pro day? Yeah? Yeah. I guess if you would say, yeah, yeah. This is not like just like it's a real problem. I don't even like what Aaron Rogers always says, but he's verbal. Aikman, verbal, Brady, verbal, breeze.
Starting point is 00:24:17 You know what Tom Brady and Breeze do their entire off seasons? Off seasons on the phone with their coordinators. Russell Wilson, verbal, talker, speaker, lots. Like, this is not like a, you know, I mean, it's just young. No, no, no. Your personalities don't make massive alterations at 21, 22 years old. They don't. They just, you don't become verbose guy at 24, shuts down at 40 and never talks again.
Starting point is 00:24:48 It doesn't work that way. The talker at 20s, the talker at 40s, a talker at 60. He's talking on his deathbed. I'm downgrading Arizona. By the way, I didn't love him this year anyway, but this stuff, Cliff Kingsbury is like, it doesn't really communicate. By the way, Mike Trout doesn't matter. He's 100 yards from anywhere in the outfield.
Starting point is 00:25:10 Kauai Leonard doesn't matter. matter. He's an NBA wing. I don't need my wing to be, you know, a talk show host. My quarterback has to talk. I don't even need my wide receiver to talk. I don't need my safety to talk. I don't need my weak side linebacker to talk. I don't need my guard to talk. But quarterback, defensive captain, center, communicate is big. Who, worrisome. Joy with the news.
Starting point is 00:25:38 No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. is the herd line news. Speaking of communicating, Jerry Jones was very vocal during Ezekiel Elliott's holdout. Zeke, not so much. Jerry was hinting at frustrations with the running back's absence, and Zeke was asked if he has any problems with Jerry now after those comments that he made about Zeke, who, but Zeke has yet to even speak to Jerry.
Starting point is 00:26:05 Honestly, I didn't talk to Jerry at all. You still happen? No. It's just negotiations, and, I mean, You got to get through it, and now we're good. You didn't take anything personally. No. Are you anxious to talk to him, Zee?
Starting point is 00:26:19 I'm happy to talk to him. Is that strange? I don't think it is strange. I don't think it's strange that didn't speak. I do think that they haven't spoken yet is kind of interesting, and it's kind of how he answered that question. Like, I'm happy to talk to him. I do think Zeeke was bothered by the Zeku comment.
Starting point is 00:26:37 I think the fact that his agent responded pretty quickly with, yeah, that was disrespectful. It came from Zeke. He didn't appreciate that. And look, Zeke's the big winner here. I mean, he got the contract that he wanted. He's the highest paid money back in the NFL, which, to be honest with you, I didn't think was going to happen.
Starting point is 00:26:54 So Zeke won this situation 100%. However long the contract is, is irrelevant. He got his money. But, look, Zeke and Jerry are going to sort it out. He's going to be the next six years, and Jerry's not going anywhere. So that relationship is going to be solved. But this does kind of lend to the whole him being in Cabo thing and being away from Jerry.
Starting point is 00:27:17 Because, you know, we've talked about before there are stories. And Jerry even said he likes to negotiate directly with players. He likes to be in the room and you just have an advantage when you're Jerry Jones negotiating. He's one of the best negotiators ever, like in history of Earth. That's what he does. He's the best at it. So you don't want your guy in a room with Jerry. He's going to smooth talk you into whatever he wants.
Starting point is 00:27:38 So being in Cabo away from everything, was strategic. Now, I still don't love it. I still think there's other places you could have gone to be away from Jerry while still holding out and being around training facilities and other players to, you know, get ready. But I do think that that was part of the strategy that's say as far away from Jerry as possible, no communication with him whatsoever and get the deal done, which is hard to do because that's Jerry. It's not only your boss. That's Jerry Jones. Well, one of the great tricks of management, and you and I have been doing this long enough where I think I've had 12, different negotiations. The reason you and I have agents is because we don't want to be schmozed
Starting point is 00:28:18 and we don't want to be worked by management who does this a thousand times a year and we do it once every four years. Like I don't have an agent because it sounds cool. No. There's value there because I don't have to be in the room with very good negotiators called CEOs. That's what they do their entire life. Yes. I have negotiated one contract on my own. I will not do that again. It stinks. You're just at a disadvantage. It's what they're trained professionals at the highest level to get you for the cheapest price.
Starting point is 00:28:53 And they're going to throw all these words around and eventually you're going to feel overwhelmed. And you don't want to argue with them because you don't want to ruin that relationship. That's right. So, yes, he's right. It's all negotiating. All is fair in that situation. And Jerry's been through a lot of these. I don't think that Jerry's holding any grudges either.
Starting point is 00:29:08 And they go out there and win. All is going to be forgotten. So Antonio Brown has finally chosen a helmet to wear this season. He signed an endorsement deal with Zenith to wear their Zenith shadow helmet. He posted a picture holding his new gear on Instagram and had a very interesting caption. Most calculated move by far. I choose Zenith. Hashtag stockpile.
Starting point is 00:29:33 I don't know what that means. And it says helmet drama overt. Basically he's saying we all got God and we promote. I voted Antonio Brown and his helmet all preseason because he had a grievance over the change, which, as we all know, was inevitable and he was going to lose. But now he has an endorsement deal with a helmet company, which he otherwise probably wouldn't have had. Because why would we ever be talking about Antonio Brown's helmet endorsement if we hadn't talked about Antonio Brown's helmet for four weeks straight? I guess, but that feels like such a short-term fist pump. My long-term strategy in life is don't try to trump your bosses and trump corporations.
Starting point is 00:30:15 I mean, it's not the way that I would have gone about it, but again, he's the winner. Like, he's the one that got the endorsement. But when they're 5 and 11 and Pittsburgh's winning, is he the winner? Or do we all just think of them as a cartoon from this point forward? I think it depends on what you consider winning. Yeah, if money is everything to you, like the Kardashians. Like if money is the end game, but I think the real. reason owners own and players play.
Starting point is 00:30:40 Players are just, we're all retail. We're all jeans in a big store. I'd rather own the store. So like his whole thing is, I won. I don't think you ever want to flaunt in a contract negotiation flaunt to your bosses, to the corporation, to the, by the way, they can still, they'll
Starting point is 00:30:56 be fine. I mean, it's like his drama's not over. This helmet drama's over. Yeah, I love that helmet drama over is in the picture. To me, it's, if your end game is to get the quick payment in life. You can win a lot.
Starting point is 00:31:12 I don't think that's my strategy in life. I think it's funny. I'm going to over-analize it because it's Antonio Brown. Like at this point, if you are shocked by something outlandish or out of the ordinary that Antonio Brown does, you're just not paying attention. This is Antonio Brown. Finally, one of Antonio's former teammates, Leveon Bell has not played football since January of 2018.
Starting point is 00:31:35 And his coach, Adam Gase, says that Leveon has expressed how. anxious he is to get back on the field. I mean, we'll see how the game goes. I mean, I can't predict how many plays we're going to have. But, I mean, I will say this. When I spoke to him yesterday, he said, don't hold back. So he feels like he's ready to go. And I think he's pretty excited to get out there.
Starting point is 00:31:59 Levion is kind of a, it shouldn't seem like a sleeper story of this NFL season, but it kind of is because we're not really talking about it because Leveon's been out of sight, out of mind for a long time. But I think he's going to have a monster year. And he's going to be a huge part of the Jets taking significant steps up in the next few years to becoming a contender. My thing with the Jets is they're so bad at corner. I don't think they can be a playoff team. Like they have a huge hole on this football team.
Starting point is 00:32:31 Yeah, I don't think they're a complete team yet. No, they're not. And I don't think that I think Adam Gays needs a couple more years to get everything rolling. They don't have a field goal kicker. Yeah. Like they're... That's a problem. But offensively, I think they'll make a massive leap.
Starting point is 00:32:43 Yes. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And Levyon is huge for Sam Darnold. I mean, we forget that he had the third most rushing yards in 2017. He was behind Kareem Hunt and Todd Gurley. 321 carries well over 1,200 yards, nine touchdowns. Like, he's going to come right back and be full speed ahead. And that's why he's saying, like, don't hold back.
Starting point is 00:33:03 I want to go out there. And I understand he hasn't played in a while. You don't want to risk injury or anything like that. But it's just time to go. Like, it's time for Levyon to get back out there. He's rested, he's got fresh legs. I'm excited to see what he does this season. Yeah, me too.
Starting point is 00:33:15 Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Greg Jennings was not high maintenance, but there is a receiving core in the league that could become that. Let's bring on Greg Jennings, who is in studio now. Fox NFL analyst over a decade in the league,
Starting point is 00:33:33 Super Bowl, two-time Pro Bowler. So it is interesting. that we'll get to the Matt LaFleur stuff because you're a Packer background, but I don't like to just talk Packers with you. I think the two teams in the league that are really interesting to me. And I think they'll both be good. I think one could be really good. Green Bay and Cleveland.
Starting point is 00:33:49 So I'll get to Green Bay in a second. Cleveland. A lot of mouse to feed. Rookie head coach. Really young emotional roster. Baker's talented. But you've got the best young tied end maybe. Two.
Starting point is 00:34:01 I mean, Jarvis Landry is a volume receiver. You're not given 27 of those catches to open. BJ. Nick Chubbs the real deal. And their offensive line, I don't like. There's a lot of stuff going on. Now, you tell me, Jarvis Landry, 90 catches, four straight years, rock solid. Is he going to be happy with 68? If they're winning, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:34:24 If they're winning, he will take the 68. But is he going to be ecstatic? No. This is something, again, this is why you have a guy like Baker Mayfield. running the show. And this is why I like a guy like Baker Mayfield for this situation. Let's forget Freddie Kitchens.
Starting point is 00:34:46 Freddie Kitchens can't resolve this on the football field. He can coach this team and they can have success. But on the football field, the guy that makes this work is that guy wearing that number six jersey, Baker Mayfield. And how do you make this work? Well, I have guys that I know I have to get the ball in their hands. Odell Beckham, a tight end in Joku,
Starting point is 00:35:07 I got Jarvis Landry, as you mentioned, Nick Chubb. Everybody's going to want the ball. What do I need to do? I need to make sure I keep them involved and engaged at all times. There are going to be times where it's Jarvis's show, and there's going to be times where it's all about Odell. There's going to be time where it's Nick's Chub game. But he has to be mentally savvy enough to know,
Starting point is 00:35:30 I need all these guys to be locked in and engaged at all times. And the one thing that brings this all together, for him, fortunately, is the relationship between O'Dell Beckham and Jarvis Landry. So you have two elite guys who understand that, you know what, he's a great player, he's a great player, but we can be something special if we give a little bit. No receiver in this National Football League wants to give. I don't care how much they say it. No one wants to give. There's two types of emotions that you'll see on the sideline. You'll see a guy that's very quiet and solemn because he's not getting the ball and he's kind of almost disengaged.
Starting point is 00:36:15 That's yes. Or you'll see the guy ranting back and forth on the sideline because he's upset. You'll see a guy when he's involved being chattery, excited because he's been involved. But one thing that I will say with my experience is with Aaron Rogers, when I wasn't involved, and I've talked about his leadership and what it has been and what it hasn't been. One thing I will say he was good at is when I wasn't involved or when Jordy Nelson wasn't involved,
Starting point is 00:36:43 he would come to us after the game and he would make sure we knew that he was fully aware. And he would say something like, Greg, man, I know I didn't get you enough passes today. I got to do better. Next week, I'm going to get you the ball. He would communicate. He would communicate.
Starting point is 00:36:57 And that went so far. because in your mind you want to be upset, but we may have won, but you can't be because he is at least acknowledging that he didn't do something or that something didn't get done. This is what I just said about kind of Merck. Communications key in this business. There's a lot of egos, a lot of people. Got to talk.
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Starting point is 00:41:08 Well, what do you know? taunting the Raider organization is not a good idea. According to Adam Schaefter, Antonio Brown and general manager Mike Mayock got into it yesterday and the team is going to suspend Antonio Brown. Okay. He did a help. We just did this 10 minutes ago. He came out this morning and taunted the team.
Starting point is 00:41:32 You know that helmet deal I got? It's just a big joke. So what you're telling me is you disrupted all. of camp so you could make a deal. I think Mayak called him on it. And so what do you make of this story, first of all? This is just selfish. And I've defended Antonio Brown because understanding the helmet and the importance of it and all of that.
Starting point is 00:41:59 But to do this, this is just flat out, I'm being, this is about me and forget the team, forget the National Football League. I'm in business for myself. Business is booming. All he's thinking about is himself right now. And this is going to hurt him. When you have a coach who's endorsed you, who supported you all through the contract, you're getting there, you missing time, he said nothing but positive things. Mike Mayock and Hard Knocks, he's the only one that has been a little bit on the other opposite side of this. Well, he's in management.
Starting point is 00:42:37 Yes. He understands like, look, there has to be a line that's drawn. And if he crosses it, we're trying to create a culture. And we're going to create that culture with or without you. Regardless if we've paid you, if we, and what I love about what Mike Mayock is doing is he's saying, this may have been a mistake. But so what? I'm going to own it. We're going to move forward with or without him.
Starting point is 00:43:01 When he gets on board, if he gets on board, it's going to be our way, not his way. And that's the way it has to be when you. You're running a team. I go back to something I've been saying now for months. NFL players look at NBA players and think, our league's more popular. No, no, no. The NBA is a star players league.
Starting point is 00:43:19 Players are worth, LeBron is worth 30 wins. Antonio Brown is worth half a point. Outside, you know, Aaron's worth a lot. Andrew Lux worth three wins. NFL players, this is a shield system league. Greg, you were a pro bowl player, but you knew quarterback coach run the franchise. Yes.
Starting point is 00:43:36 Everybody knows this. It's a given. The data's in. Antonio Brown is thinking, well, I'm the most talented. You're not the most valuable. Derek Carr is the most valuable Raider. And the biggest problem that I have with this is he's destroying relationships that we haven't even seen really fully develop on the football field. One being your quarterback.
Starting point is 00:44:02 You are letting so many guys down that are going to be. bat for you that are waiting for you to get within the fold so that we can then have some sort of success whatever that looks like we're counting on you and this is what you're doing by the way yesterday this was another thing ab did he tweeted out a letter that the organization sent him yeah can you imagine if i as a uh a tv camera facing employee like Antonio Brown. Like NFL players and radio TV people, you can see our job, right? We don't see secretaries at work, lawyers at work. If I'd release this, a Fox sent me a note, suspending me or finding me, and I put it on my social media. You're taunting management. What are you doing?
Starting point is 00:44:53 You are. You're pretty much slapping them in the face and trying to get the outside public on your side. And it just, you can't do that because the outside public is, looking like, look, you're on our team. We want them, we want all of you to win. We want everyone to be successful. Do we want you to thrive? Yes, because we brought you on and you've been this great player and consistent. You know, Greg, Joy and I have talked about this, I think, on air. Never let Twitter produce your show. Twitter's not real life. If Twitter was real life, Trump would never get a vote. I mean, you can't do Twitter. What is happening, and it doesn't happen very often because I think most athletes get it, but you get the occasional
Starting point is 00:45:36 athlete, Kevin Durant's a little bit like this, he thinks Twitter's real life. Antonio Brown thinks Twitter is his ally. In my career, I've seen Twitter get 50 people fired. I've never seen it make anybody rich. He has fallen into a social media tunnel now. He thinks social media is his friend. It's become his enemy. It's really what I feel like it's become, it's become his marketing brand.
Starting point is 00:46:06 tactic and strategy to where whatever goes on, I'm going to post it, I'm going to get likes, I'm going to get follows, I'm going to get all these eyeballs on it, and they're going to find out who I really am and what I'm about and how I go about my business. But eventually what it's going to do, it's going to show who you really are. That's what it does.
Starting point is 00:46:30 That's all it's doing. Twitter unveils your insecurities, your vulnerabilities, your strength, your emotional, I just talked to somebody the other day about this, a big shot, right? And he said, the emotional discipline, Twitter completely unveils the media's lack of emotional discipline. You don't have to respond to every criticism. No. Just, just, just like, be a grown-up.
Starting point is 00:46:51 This is so disappointing. By the way, you know who is laughing so hard this morning? The Pittsburgh Steelers are howling laughing at this. By the way, Raiders have the second worst record in the league last 15 years. I think the Steelers have the second or third best. Good organization, let A.B. Go. Bad organization? Trying to make a quick fix.
Starting point is 00:47:13 This is what bad organizations do. They overpay for people, like when Buffalo overpaid back in the day for T.O. Quick fix. We'll go get this star and that star. Pittsburgh's laughing their arse off this morning. And it would be foolish for me to sit here and say that Antonio Brown would not make the Oakland Raiders a better team. He does, but does he make the... them a Super Bowl contender? No, when you look at Pittsburgh with or without Antonio Brown or
Starting point is 00:47:41 Le Vion Bell, their pedigree is winning. It was prior to them. It will be post-Levian Bell and Antonio Brown. And so when you look at it from those, that lens, yes, they're going to be laughing because they knew what they had as a player, but more so as a teammate. One of my better friends that had played in the NFL for over a decade. I called him. He works at the other place. And this is, I think I said this on the air. I'm not going to give the player out. He called Mike Tomlin about two months ago when AB started acting out. And Mike Tomlin told my friend, who is now a television personality, but is a former player, he told my friend, he said, oh, you have no idea how much we covered up. And we covered it up because we have great owners and a great front office
Starting point is 00:48:32 and a great culture and we have great guys. It was a complete circus in Pittsburgh. The reason why you cover up something like that, and I mentioned this about like Ezekiela and Amari Kup, because he was birthed into that organization. So that's like literally being your kid and then you adopting a kid. There's just, it's not anything wrong with the adopted kid. No.
Starting point is 00:48:54 But it's not your biological kid. It's not your blood. When you buy a used car, the odometer can say 80,000 miles, people mess with used cars. When you buy the car off the factory line, you know all the... It's like in baseball. You draft a kiddie.
Starting point is 00:49:08 He goes to your minor league system. You know his temperament. You know, is he a good teammate? You make a lot of trades in baseball. You can end up with guys who you're like, wow, he's awful in the locker room. How do you know that? He's not yours.
Starting point is 00:49:22 But there's another factor to Antonio Brown going to the Raiders. They're moving to Las Vegas. They needed some star power. No, no, I get that from... Regardless of how all of this stuff and all this baggage and all this trouble, they didn't have Kalil Mack. What other star do they have in this team?
Starting point is 00:49:38 They can't move a team like that. You need star power. Not to Las Vegas. You need star power. But even beyond the star power, if you create a winning culture. You win games. That alleviates all that star power stuff. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:49 Like the NFL largely, I think that in the NBA is more true. In the NFL, find me the winning organization. The winning product. Yes. Put a winning product on the field. Yeah. And by the way, there are stadiums. not like 80,000. It's a smaller
Starting point is 00:50:03 stadium. I mean, I didn't like the Grudenhire. Because to me, the Grudenhire was about tickets, and I don't think it's working. And I think he's a television. And that's, I like John. And John would now not speak to me, because I say this. But when they hired him, I'm like, this feels like you're selling tickets in
Starting point is 00:50:19 Vegas. And you don't need to. Vegas is dying. It's only eight home games. Vegas is going to sell the stadium out. Oh, boy. All right, Packers tonight on the road. I'm taking them to beat Chicago. We've only got a minute left. I think they'll win. I think Matt and Aaron works.
Starting point is 00:50:33 Do you? I think they work tonight. Yes, you don't handcuff him. You let him showcase his strength. Oh, handcuffing. It's called coaching. No, you can coach, but as a player, the worst thing you can do is allow a coach to turn you into a robotic player. You will never thrive.
Starting point is 00:50:51 The reason why we think Ann Rogers is what he is is because what he provides as a strength. Yeah, I'll tell you what he is. It's unscripted. One Super Bowl. Brady's been a nine. Oh, stop it. you didn't have a Super Bowl, you would be saying, when is he going to win a Super Bowl? One.
Starting point is 00:51:04 He has one. He has one. If he did not have one, then you would be harbying on the fact that he didn't have one. You say he has one. I say he has one. I like coachability. See, but you're one of those guys out there. You just don't want to be coached.
Starting point is 00:51:25 I like to be coached. No, I love to be coached. I love to be coached. But when you have a player that can do what he's, does. You let him do what he does. By the way, and you make sure he's... Wrap it up five seconds left. Did you like that coaching?
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Starting point is 00:52:05 In three minutes, Greg Kosell will stop by. Let's give you the breaking news. It is not good for Antonio Brown. Vic Tafer of the athletic covers the Raiders. Joy Taylor is joining me as well. Antonio Brown was unhappy about being fined. Had an exchange with Mike Mayock yesterday. That's the GM of the Raiders.
Starting point is 00:52:24 He was held back by a couple of teammates, now facing a team's suspension. Cuckoo! Albert Breer. who's always out in front of everything, says if the Raiders suspend Antonio Brown for contract detrimental, which is pretty easy to prove now, they can default on all his guarantees.
Starting point is 00:52:42 Doesn't get any of it. I said this during her line, 30 minutes, you don't flaunt, you don't taunt management, even if you do win. Even if I signed a great contract, I don't flaunt it and taunt my management. I'm an employee.
Starting point is 00:52:56 I'm a highly compensated one. Antonio Brown. You don't flaunt it. This is Antonio Brown's issue. He thought he was a big shot in Pittsburgh. They moved him to the most dysfunctional franchise, not named Cleveland in the NFL for 15 years. The bosses control the employees in every business,
Starting point is 00:53:16 especially this one. And Antonio Brown, once these receivers go into the weeds, Ocho, T.O., it's hard to get them back. They've been empowered. They've been enriched. It's hard to get people who have gone in the weeds to have an intervention, bring them back to the course, bring them back to society. I would cut him.
Starting point is 00:53:35 I'd get out of the Antonio Brown business. Now, but I've said this for years. My personality is not built for interventions. It's not built for needy people. It's not built for high-maintenance people. I'm not telling you how I think. I'm just telling you how I think I'm not built for that. I could not be a producer in Hollywood and have 19 needy actors on the set.
Starting point is 00:53:55 I'd be much happier being a general partner for accounting. firm where I know what I get. There's some ceilings on stuff, but I know what I get personality-wise from people every day. That's how I, I don't want chaos in my life. I got a good life. I don't want to wake up in the morning have to worry about another man who can't control himself. Like, you're
Starting point is 00:54:14 a grown-up. Stop it. I'm not into that stuff. I'm not a babysitter. And so I would get rid of Antonio Brown. Is he a very good player? Yes. He's a very good player. Nobody's disputing he's a very good player. But the Raiders also went out and got Terrell Williams in the offseason. they've addressed a lot of their offensive line issues.
Starting point is 00:54:32 They've drafted defense. You know, Derek Carr is now healthy. John Gruden, you say what you want about Gruden. They played pretty well last year. You know, everybody was predicting they would bail on Gruden and quit. And they didn't quit. They played good. So, wow.
Starting point is 00:54:46 Raiders could now get out of this thing and not have to pay Andonio Brown the guarantees. It's up to me. I'm not interested in this. Not my cup of tea. I think he's worth half a point to a point of game. I'd rather have a better culture, better communication. I also think it's disrespectful. If I ran a football team and I had 55 guys on my football team,
Starting point is 00:55:05 if I am constantly having to babysit one of them, I think it's incredibly disrespectful to the other 54 men in that locker room. I think it's disrespectful. My job is, as a general manager, is to create an environment where everybody feels loved, everybody feels valuable. And once you start babysitting one guy, you're not paying attention to the other 54.
Starting point is 00:55:27 I would get Antonio Brown out with that Greg CoSell. 40 years at NFL films, quite a development. You know, it's interesting. I want to start with Antonio Brown. Now, we know he's a big play receiver, and we know going to the Raiders, he and Derek Carr would have had some success. How would you describe Antonio Brown as a game changer?
Starting point is 00:55:50 Big Ben also, Greg, had 10 of his 16 interceptions, throwing to Antonio Brown. How would you describe him as a player? through your receiver in the league, and then you have to decide the value of that to your given team and to the NFL game in general, because he's definitely that guy on Sundays. And I'm sure that's the way he thinks. He probably thinks he can do whatever he wants because he shows up on Sundays and plays ball. So it's your classic talent versus temperament issue, Colin, and every team deals with that differently.
Starting point is 00:56:20 Yeah, some won't, some will. Right, exactly. I mean, it's, you know, he's a great, great receiver. And, you know, what is the value? you know, we've had this conversation about running backs in the NFL for the last number of years. Now, what's the value of a wide receiver of a top three wide receiver in the NFL? Is that someone that is absolutely essential to you winning games, or do you believe that you can line up? And I'm not saying it's the difference between Antonio Brown and the 80th best receiver in the league.
Starting point is 00:56:48 But, you know, what's the difference between Antonio Brown and the 15th best receiver in the league when it comes to winning games on Sunday? Yeah. So Antonio Brown is going to be suspended by the right of the league. Well, speaking to that, Giadavian Clowny goes to Seattle. Yep. And Jadabian Clowny can be a disruptive player, can be a dynamic play guy.
Starting point is 00:57:09 I don't get the consistency I love. There's been some injuries. So, you know, the assumption by fans is Jadavian Clowny goes to Seattle. Man, that's going to be great. Let me ask you, does Jadian Clowney fit Seattle's system? I think you do some of the same kinds of things moving that player around that the Texans did.
Starting point is 00:57:30 Clowny not only will be at defensive end, he'll be what we call a Joker and move around. He's not as good a pass rusher as Frank Clark. He's not as laterally explosive as Frank Clark. Clowny is powerful. He's powerful straight line, but he's not laterally explosive. You know, it's interesting the way they chose to use him in Houston, and they chose to use him that way because they understood his skill set, and they understood that he's not a pure four-three-edge rusher.
Starting point is 00:57:57 You can't just line him up at D.N. and say go get the quarterback. He hasn't shown that up to this point. That's what the tape shows, Colin. He's not that guy right now. So he's a good player, but he may not have the Frank Clark impact, is what you're saying? He may not. No, Clark was a more, you know, laterally explosive play.
Starting point is 00:58:19 Let's go to Deshawn Watson and the Texans. They get rid of Clowny. They bring in Laramie Tunzel. Now, he's a good tackle. He's not a top five tackle, I don't think, when I watch him. Will he make a big difference this year for he? Houston. Will it help Deshaun? Well, he's not a top five tackle yet in terms of his play, but he's a top five tackle in terms of his physical trait. So they're hoping that with different
Starting point is 00:58:41 coaching, maybe he responds, that he matures because he certainly has traits. And what they're hoping is that he can match up to edge rushers on his side one-on-one, and then they can do other things to help with their O-Line. But it's definitely an upgrade for them because he's very, very talented. You know, they're a better team. This is just the argument of short-term versus long-term, and it just depends on where you fall on that argument. The Texans are a far better team now than they were when the season ended. Now, for those GM-types, they'll say, you know, that doesn't matter because now they've mortgaged their future. So it's simply a short-term, long-term argument. Yeah, I like having the best quarterback defensive lineman, left tackle, and wide receiver,
Starting point is 00:59:22 arguably in a division to start the season. That's why I like the move. I think those are big positions to me. I would agree. I mean, although it's interesting, I think the game's changed a little bit. You know, you talk about pass rushers. I think the game's changed a little where interior pass rushers, I think, have far more value now in the game than they did years and years ago where everybody just said that edge rusher was an absolute premium position. Not that you don't want a good edge pass rusher, but I think with quicker passing games, quarterback's not taking as deep drops as they used to, I think that interior pass rushers have become increasingly important in today's game.
Starting point is 00:59:58 I was shocked yesterday. I like Jared Goff. I watched them a lot at Cal because I stay up late on Saturday nights and watch Pack 12 football. And he got the you know what beat out of him. And he took a bad program and made it pretty darn interesting by the end. I like his traits, his personality traits. I've said before I think he's a more talented Matt Ryan in terms of armed talent. But yesterday when that contract came out, I was shocked.
Starting point is 01:00:20 75% of people are like system guy overrated. I mean, I watched them against Patrick Mahomes. I watched them against Minnesota's defense. I think he's really talented, and I think he's still growing and getting better. What say you on Jared Goff, his deal and his style? Well, first of all, I will say this, and I know what people mean by system guy, but every quarterback's a system guy because every team runs a system. What that I think means in people's minds is that he can only run the system when everything works.
Starting point is 01:00:49 Now, he runs a very good system with Sean McVeigh. He's an easy thrower of the football. He was the next man up at some point they were going to have to pay. Jared Gough. They weren't going to let him walk. So the numbers, to me, don't mean anything. You know, he's the next guy, and now, Dak Prescott, I'll probably get more, and we'll have the same conversation about what Dak Prescott is or isn't. So the numbers don't really matter. It's just the next man up, and they're not going to let him walk, and he's a very programmed player. He's a very mechanical player, and I don't mean either one of those two words in a negative
Starting point is 01:01:18 fashion, because that's what he's asked to do within a really well-designed and well-schemed system. Speaking to L.A., the Chargers host the Colts this weekend. I think their infrastructure is really good. It would not shock me if the Colts upset the Chargers. Derwin James is out. Russell O'Coon, offensive line issues. No Melvin Gordon. I think the Chargers are still a good team,
Starting point is 01:01:41 although I think the special is gone. What do you expect from them? I think the issue is their all line. It had issues last year. O'Coon is out. I think they're starting a free agent and left tackle. So the O-line is a concern. Philip Rivers, obviously, is a master at understanding what's going on before the snap,
Starting point is 01:02:01 but still he's a relative statue. I don't think the loss of Gordon is that extreme. I think the O-line is the far bigger issue. And I think Derwin James is a big issue, and will have an impact on how Gus Bradley structures his defense from a personnel standpoint. Yeah, I actually, I'll say this now. I like the Colts this weekend. I like their own line.
Starting point is 01:02:21 I like their infrastructure. sure. Well, and they've gotten a lot better on defense, too. You know, obviously people know they got Justin Houston, but DeNico Autry had a very good year last year playing both defensive tackle and defensive end. Good stuff. All right, let's shift to the Cowboys, obviously, Zeeks in, signed a big contract. I think they're going to be a bubble playoff team just because I think the NFC's loaded, and I think the Eagles are a better franchise right now. I like the Eagles top to bottom. In terms of overall talent, if you just look at film, what you do, NFC's. NFL films 40 years. And you look at all these players. It does feel like to me Dallas is a top
Starting point is 01:02:58 7-18 talent-wise. Is that a reach? No, I think you're probably correct about that. They've got a good all line. Obviously, they've got Zieg. I think, you know, they've got a fairly good receiving core now that they have Cooper. I have no idea what Jason Witten will be at this point in his career. You know, defensively, they're pretty solid. They're a good defensive team. So I think they're a solid football team. You know, the question is, the question ultimately will be Dak Prescott, because there will be games where he's going to have to be the driving force in order for them to win. Because teams, there will be games where teams do take away. Zik, maybe not 100%, but where Zee can't dominate and control the pace and tempo of the game.
Starting point is 01:03:43 All right. Now, your big play, Greg Kosell joins us every Thursday now for the next four and a half months. Your big play involves the Packers, who open the season on the road tonight at Chicago. I think LeFleur, Aaron, I think it's going to work. I think they're both verbal. I think they have something to lose. I think they'll be committed, even if they have an imperfect relationship. Not only discuss that, but then take me into the play of the week. Well, you make a really interesting point because even though Aaron Rogers is a great player and is considered great by most, you know, I think he's got a vested interest in this working because, you know, I think, you know, he lost a little luster with the whole thing with McCarthy right or wrong, and he's got a vested interest in LaFleur
Starting point is 01:04:28 being really successful and therefore him being really successful. You know, they opened last year against the Bears. They're going to open this year against the Bears. And the play I want to show is from that first game last year when he came back after the injury. And you'll get this because every team plays man-to-man coverage. So let's start with the play first and foremost. And this was a touchdown throw he made to Geronimo Allison, who's still one of the receivers that's there, and it's a ridiculous throw. But what happened here was pretty basic stuff. The Packers were in a three-by-one set, three receivers to the field to the bottom of the screen. And what the Bears played here is what we call cover one. It's man-to-man with a single
Starting point is 01:05:08 high safety. Why that safety is cheated to the single receiver side? I don't know. Maybe it's Devante Adams, who's the single receiver. But this is the matchup you're looking at. Geronimo, Kyle Fuller. Now, what Rogers does here is really, really good, because what he does when he drops back is he's going to look to his left. And he's looking at Devante Adams, his number one guy. But the reason this is so critical is it gets that safety moving in that direction. Now, he's on that hash anyway, but he moves in that direction. So what that does is it just gives you a one-on-one on the outside with Allison versus Fuller, and this game is about matchups. And this is just a ridiculous throw. These are the kinds of Aaron Rogers
Starting point is 01:05:50 throws that just get people excited every single week. And you can just see it again here where the safety is and how he'll move and you get the one-on-one matchup. You could even argue Rogers is a tad late with this throw, but he's such a great, great throw over the football that it's just a big play touchdown. And by the way, it's classic manipulation of eyes and hips. That's what safeties read. All I need you as a safety is just to make a move, as you noted, a step or two. Then I know you can't move your hips and catch up to the right side of the field.
Starting point is 01:06:22 Greg CoSell, NFL films, 40 years doing it. Can't wait for tonight. Great talking to you, Greg. Thanks, Colin. Appreciate it. By the way, Antonio Brown, it looks like we'll be suspended by the Raiders. He's gone off into the weeds. The Pittsburgh Steelers are laughing there.
Starting point is 01:06:37 You know what off. And the Raiders are right now this morning a disruptive, distracted mess heading into the season. Not hard to predict. I do have an amendment. I am allowed amendments before the season starts to my NFL standing predictions. So I'm going to make my amendments next. I'm going to tell you, my official NFL predictions, I'm going to have a couple amendments. Four.
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Starting point is 01:08:20 Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear.
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Starting point is 01:10:22 This is Clivert Taylor the 4th. And on my podcast, The Cliverts show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me. He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What?
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Starting point is 01:11:00 What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defining the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows.
Starting point is 01:11:17 without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall.
Starting point is 01:11:34 And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. man, he running up the court, licking his fingers
Starting point is 01:11:49 while he got the ball, like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, welcome back.
Starting point is 01:12:05 The breaking news today, Antonio Brown and the Raiders, they got issues. Antonio Brown basically came out today, taunting the organization and saying, you know, that helmet thing? I made a bunch of money on it. Yesterday, he basically on Instagram put out a letter the Raiders sent to him about a fine. And the Raiders, like any organization, don't want to be taunted by an employee.
Starting point is 01:12:28 That stuff's discreet and confidential. You know what those letters go in public? So Mike Mayock and Antonio Brown got into an ugly situation. Today it says it looks like he's going to be suspended. Now, it should be noted. The Adam Schaefter tweet said, looks like he could be suspended. Maybe John Gruden doesn't want him suspended. So now you could have Mike Mayock and John Gruby.
Starting point is 01:12:47 and battling. I wouldn't have gotten A.B. I'm not into needy people. I'm not into needy wide receivers. Odell Beckham and Cleveland. I've said it before. I think Jarvis Landry will still be there in five years. I don't think O'Dell Beckham would be. I'm not a T.O. guy. I'm not an Antonio Brown guy. I'll take Juju Smith-Schuster and Pittsburgh. He's not as good, but he's 90% of A.B. Without the nonsense. So this is the very latest on this stuff. As more happens, we'll discuss it. Now, now, I want to say this. So I make my NFL predictions. NFL season opens tonight, right? Green Bay in Chicago. I get a couple of amendments every year. Information comes out right before the season. So what I'm about to tell you, this is it.
Starting point is 01:13:28 These are my amendments. This is final. So I've got two amendments in the AFC, both in this division. AFC East. I got New England winning. Jets battling for a wild card spot, although I don't think they make it. And then I'm going to give Buffalo one more win and Miami one less win. Here's why.
Starting point is 01:13:46 I think Buffalo's actually got a great coaching staff, and I like their defensive personnel a lot. I had them splitting with Miami. Miami's basically tanking. So I'm going to take a win from Miami and give it to Buffalo. So Buffalo, like the Jets, is going to be battling for wild card stuff. New England wins the division. That's my amendment. A win given to the bills taken away from Miami.
Starting point is 01:14:07 I have in the AFC West the Chiefs winning it. The Chargers, a wild card team in second place. No changes there. In the AFC North, I have Pittsburgh winning it. Cleveland getting close, battling for a wild card to the final weekend. But I think Cleveland, I'll keep them at 9 and 7, do not win the division, and Cleveland does not make the playoffs. So the AFC North, I'm not changing.
Starting point is 01:14:30 Pittsburgh wins it. The AFC South, all the records stay the same. Houston wins it. But Tennessee, Tennessee makes the playoffs at 9 and 7. So my AFC looks like this. New England, Kansas City, Pittsburgh, and Houston, win their divisions, and I have the Chargers and Tennessee in the AFC making it as wildcard teams. The Jets and the Browns get really, really close.
Starting point is 01:14:57 I think the Browns late in the year will look like a playoff team. I think the Jets early in the year could look like a playoff team. Let's go over to the NFC. I've got two amendments there. My division winners in the NFC are real simple. Philadelphia, Rams, Packers, and Atlanta win the divisions in the NFC. I have Chicago and Dallas, both at 9 and 7, are going to be the wild card team. So the Cowboys and the Bears get in, skin of their teeth as wildcard teams.
Starting point is 01:15:27 My amendments in the NFC, I'm going to give Carolina another win. I'm going to get them to 8 and 8. I like what I've heard and read over the last week. Carolina could go 11 and 5. I wouldn't be shocked. I don't think they will. I'm going to give Carolina another win, 8 and 8. I'm going to take a win away from Arizona.
Starting point is 01:15:46 I had Arizona at 5 and 11. I'm going to go down to 4 and 12. That story on Kyler Murray, not communicating, verbally challenged, doesn't like to talk. I don't like it. I'm not into that. So those are my amendments. My AFC, New England, Kansas City, Chargers, Pittsburgh, Houston, Tennessee make the playoffs in the NFC, Philadelphia, Dallas, Rams.
Starting point is 01:16:10 Yeah, Philadelphia, Dallas, Rams, Green Bay, Chicago, Atlanta make the playoffs. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So Clemson started the season as the number one team in the country. The reigning champs proved their greatness with a huge 52 to 14 win over Georgia Tech last weekend. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:32 But head coach Jabbo Swinney still does not think his team deserves the top ranking yet. He said they've got us ranked number one and who knows what we are. We haven't earned that. That's just what people have nominated us. So he's taking the Patriots route there. We're not really the best. Everyone is coming for us. But even though we won the Super Bowl last year, we still have a lot to overcome.
Starting point is 01:16:56 Can I defend dab on this, though? I don't think they're special on defense. I don't think you can lose three NFL defensive linemen in college and say, yeah, we just got a bunch of guys that are just as good. I think they're going to win the national title. Last year, I thought they won it mostly with their defense. This year, I think they're going to win it. with their offense, but I don't think, like that game against Georgia Tech, they were sloppy
Starting point is 01:17:18 on offense and they had some holes on defense. So I don't, I think Bama today, I have no problem if somebody voted them number one. Right, but they are number one. Like, they're the best team in the country. I get what he's trying to do. Like even if, even with those changes, they still are clearly the best team in the country. So that is what it is. But I get what he's trying to do.
Starting point is 01:17:40 He's trying to, you know, instill a little bit of an underdog mentality, you know, we're not the team to beat, we have to beat other teams, and I get it. But they're 17-point favorites against Texas A&M at home, who's 12th in the country. But Jared Hawker did, their offensive linemen did guarantee an upset over Clemson, so I'm predicting it goes the other way in an extreme way for that. All right, so the Browns receiving court got a big upgrade this offseason in Odell. Even though O'Dell missed all for preseason games, Baker isn't worried about their chemistry in week one. I didn't take a snap with driver saw last year in the preseason, so yeah, it's probably pretty overgrown.
Starting point is 01:18:18 I think that he's excited to get back to football. You know, he's feeling healthy. He's ready to go. I mean, that's kind of a security blanket of if I do make a mistake or it's not on target as much as I would like to. He's going to make it right. And just knowing what he can do to affect the defense, it helps us as an offense as a whole. But it also, just knowing that I have that threat at all times is great. Now he missed preseason and Team Joe's at Camp with a hip injury.
Starting point is 01:18:43 still did individual drills, but I don't really have, I haven't even given any thought that Baker and O'Dell are not going to be in sync right away. I mean, again, O'Dell is still one of the top receivers in the league, and Baker is extremely accurate. So even, and I don't give a lot of credit to the preseason. Like in training, him not being in the team drills in training camp is a bit worrisome, but I don't think they're going to, he and O'Dell are not going to have a rough start. Well, if you look at analytics, O'Dell and Bates, O'Dell and Bates. are going to work great because one guy runs the best slant in the league. One guy throws one of the best slants. My question with Odell's always been the same thing. Is he healthy? Right. Like I can deal with a lot of the drama. I really can't. It's like, I don't think his drama,
Starting point is 01:19:25 like Antonio Brown, is disruptive to the team. I think Odell stuff is brand building, whatever, but he has an injury issue. Like you can't miss half of your last 32 games. So if Odell's healthy, they're going to be so much fun. But, you know, that's why when he got injured in camp, my thing is, Okay, here we go again. Like, this is like a thing with him. So, but the idea, if you're a fantasy football, I don't play fantasy football, but if you do, Baker and Odell, that's going to be a big home run. Like, the data tells you those guys are going to get a lot of points and a lot of yards.
Starting point is 01:19:55 And be very exciting. Yes. So finally, the cold stream of a Super Bowl this season seemed to disappear with Andrew Luck's sudden retirement. But Y Receiver, T.Y. Hilton still feels like the team can compete without their star quarterback. He said, this is the best team I've ever been a part of. We take nothing away from luck. but this team is good. I think the roster is as good as any roster.
Starting point is 01:20:17 I think he's confusing roster with win-loss record. Well, yeah, team is a very specific thing. It is a good roster. It is. Yeah, and look, I get what he's doing. He's speaking it up and being positive and suiting confidence, and that's important. But you can't go from luck to Berset and expect the same results.
Starting point is 01:20:36 And that's not any disrespect to Jukobi Berset, but he's the backup quarterback to Andrew Luck. So it is what it is. I don't think I'm glad that they're not going overboard and going over the ledge with, you know, the season's awash. And, you know, they're trying to overcome the emotional loss of Andrew Luck suddenly retiring. But it doesn't mean they're going to be the dolphins this year. But I don't like when teams rebuild that way anyway. Like be a good team and then put the pieces in place.
Starting point is 01:21:04 They won't be chaotic. They won't be terrible. They're just, they're too well run. Coach, GM, O-line. but the special is out. Right. So it's just a step down in talent at the key position. By the way, I like Atlanta's roster.
Starting point is 01:21:17 If Matt Ryan got hurt and they put in the backup, Atlanta would win games. They wouldn't be man overboard, but Matt Ryan is special. Matt can get you to Super Bowls. Matt can bring you back from 14 down in the fourth quarter again. People think I don't like Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan's the top quarterback in this league. There's a special to Matt Ryan that you can't duplicate. There's just some guys you can't.
Starting point is 01:21:37 There's no other, there's no answer in the building for, drew luck. Right. Exactly. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. By the way, this is Ian Rappaport. He's a reporter. More on the Raiders,
Starting point is 01:21:53 Antonio Brown. This is breaking news. It did not get physical with the GM, Mike Mayock. Sources say, but after a screaming match, Brown told the general manager he would hit him in the face and then punted the ball and said, fine me for that. Oh, boy. And then
Starting point is 01:22:09 Shephty, Adam Shepter says, there are those around the league who now believe the Raiders could suspend Antonio with the idea of avoiding the $30 million of guaranteed money in his contract, which obviously would end his time in Oakland. I'm the Raiders, I'm out. Terrell Williams is a good receiver. They've upgraded their offensive line. They went and drafted a running back. Derek Carr is healthy. They've made upgrades to their defense. This is not a playoff team anyway.
Starting point is 01:22:35 So, yeah, I mean, they didn't give up much to get him. So my take, the third rounder, so my take away on this, it's almost like anything else in life. You have to be able to own sometimes. Wow, I made a big mistake. I'm out of that. I've done it in my life before. And it's hard sometimes to go, you know, this is like if you're a stock broker, you're like, all right, didn't see that coming.
Starting point is 01:22:57 Let's sell the stock. So right now, do you sell the stock to just limit the cartilage and just say, we made a bad decision? Because I don't believe when wide receivers who are dramatic. and expressive. Once they go into the weeds, it's impossible to get him back into the fairway. He's going to have resentment, bitterness, that's not going to go away. You have to remember about pro athletes. Let me defend pro athletes here. They're 25-year-old kids. These are not 55-year-old people. These are kids. When I was 25 years old, I was more dramatic. So you have the employees in professional sports. They're kids. And kids as a parent, the older they get, the less dramatic they
Starting point is 01:23:38 get. They're, you know, they're having fits at seven. They're pouting at 11. They're having tantrums at 14. Antonio Brown now is going to have bitterness and resentment this point going forward with this organization. I think you make calls, you figure it out, you got to move him, and you start over. But I think Antonio has made a big mistake here, flaunting his Instagram page, mocking his organization. I've said it to start the show today. You do not do that. I don't care who you are, how talented you are.
Starting point is 01:24:14 We've seen this happen before between artists, singers, and musicians, and their label, the label wins. You don't want to get into this situation and I think if I'm the Raiders now, I just, I move off him. I'm like, we made a mistake. By the way,
Starting point is 01:24:29 Bill Belichick has made a lot of mistakes. Just own them and get out of it. I made a mistake. I'm out. This league is not a perfection league. It's not what this league is. What you're trying to build in the NFL is what you know because of a salary cap, you're not going to be great at everything. You're just not, you can't be great at everything.
Starting point is 01:24:49 This is not the 75 Steelers. You can't resign everybody. What you're hoping to do is just not be horrible at anything because coaching is so good in this league, if I get to watch your film and go, oh, they don't have a number two corner. That's why the New York Jets, I don't think will make the playoffs. They're so bad at corner after Tramaine Johnson, there's too many good coaches in this league. You're just going to pick on the Jets number two and number three corners over and over and over. Now, they'll win some shootouts, but they'll lose a bunch of shootouts.
Starting point is 01:25:16 New England is rarely awful at everything, but they don't always have, you know, great dynamic over-the-top wide receivers. Kansas City this year is trying to get out of, they were really bad defensively in spots last year. They were either great here or defensively. So they get Frank Clark. Now they're defensive line, more consistent. So I think with the Raiders, they're already fine at wide receiver. They're not going to be terrible. They've got Terrell William.
Starting point is 01:25:44 They'll be fine. I'd move out of the mistake. T.J. Hushmanzada is going to join us next. I'm interested in his opinion on, by the way, he played with Ocho in college and in the pros. And we'll talk about big personalities and how disruptive or not disrupting. They are to locker rooms. Antonio Brown could be suspended. It is a not difficult to predict tire fire right now.
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Starting point is 01:30:36 By the way, according to Vic Tafer of the athletic, one of the players holding back Antonio Brown was Bontes Burfect. That's ironic. This is a very predictable mess. Antonio Brown, very needy, very high maintenance, really talented. I've said before, it's not my cup of tea. I'm not an intervention guy. I expect you once you're in your 20s to be a grown-up.
Starting point is 01:30:58 Most pro athletes, I think, are. Some aren't. I'm not interested in the guys who aren't. I don't babysit. So this has become predictable. My prediction was Pittsburgh is going to get better without him. Oakland's going to be a mess with him or without him. It has totally unraveled today.
Starting point is 01:31:12 Multiple stories. I think Antonio Brown made a massive short-term decision. This is what dramatic people do. He put a letter by the Raiders to him confidentially. He put it on Instagram. Big mistake for any employee in any business. And then he yesterday or today comes out on Instagram and said, You know, that helmet thing?
Starting point is 01:31:33 I want a bunch of money. Not acceptable. You don't do that to your bosses. Bosses always win. You know, NBA players don't want to call them owners. Call them what you want. They sign the checks. Okay.
Starting point is 01:31:43 You get into an argument with the capital, the executives, the peeps. You're going to lose as an employee. I'm just an employee. Antonio Brown is not mature enough right now to handle all this stuff. It's gone sideways. Now Gruden and Mayok may have disagreements. Not overly predictable. So the breaking news is you've got a tire fire going
Starting point is 01:32:02 on in Oakland. There you go. Now, I will say this. I think Antonio is very, very difficult to trade at this point. So I think the Raiders may have to just say, you know what, we're just out of the building. Let's not worry about compensation. We gave up a third rounder. It happens. I think sometimes I'll speak for men. It's hard for men to acknowledge. I just made a huge mistake, especially when the mistake is public. One thing of an accountant made a mistake on taxes. And you're not. One thing of an accountant made a mistake on taxes. you and the accountant know. But when you're a guy and the mistake is national, it's hard to go, whiffed on that one. I think it's time for the Raiders to just put their egos, suppress their egos, and go,
Starting point is 01:32:42 we just, this is not, the bottom line, this is not a Super Bowl team. This player's not changing five wins to 13. This player now is disrupting culture. I got to, I'm out on that. You know, again, if, you know, in Pittsburgh, the feeling was they kept him for a while because they thought it was the difference between winning and losing a playoff game. Like I get convincing yourself that, you know, we're good. He can make us good enough to beat New England.
Starting point is 01:33:08 But this is a bad team anyway. Nobody, I mean, they're not beating Kansas City in this division. I don't think they can beat Denver. They're not beating the Chargers. So to me now, it's about culture. Now this is all about culture. I'm not blowing my culture up over Antonio Brown. He's worth a point of game.
Starting point is 01:33:23 This is about Derek Carr. By the way, didn't this organization, correct me if I'm wrong, Didn't they preach over and over in the NFL draft? We drafted guys with character. Wasn't that the whole like mantra? Okay, so that's what you're telling me. Okay, then stick to what you're telling. Because that's the message you set in the draft.
Starting point is 01:33:41 We want character guys. This is not character. This is not what you want. And Antonio Brown, I think you're making big mistakes. You're taking on management. You know, some artists do that. Maybe that's why I'm not an artist, you know? Play a mean guitar, but that's why I'm not an artist.
Starting point is 01:33:56 Okay. So speaking of high maintenance-wide receivers, O'Dell Beckham can be a little high maintenance. I don't think personally O'Dell's maintenance hurts the quality of the team. So Cleveland goes and gets him, and I do think opposite Jarvis Landry, he's really talented.
Starting point is 01:34:16 And he's going to force teams to do things defensively. They're going to have to make choices. And Cleveland's going to score a lot of points this year. But it's funny, I'm often called a hater about Cleveland. and I laugh at this all the time. I don't understand how people can look at Cleveland the last three years and then put them in the Super Bowl this year. I don't understand it.
Starting point is 01:34:35 So yesterday a list came out of the most salary cap money allocated for every position in every team. Cleveland has the most salary cap money of any team in the league. They're basically spending the most money on players. I'm not disputing. They have an interesting mix of talented players. But this is a team. in the last three years that's gone 8, 39, and 1.
Starting point is 01:35:00 And in the last three years, I want you to remember this number against playoff teams, and you'd have to beat them to win your division and win playoff games, Super Bowl. In the last three years against playoff teams, they're 1 in 16. And I'm supposed to believe by adding Odell Beckham Jr., who has missed half of his last 32 games, Kareem Hunt, who doesn't show up until after Thanksgiving, Olivier Vernon, who hasn't had double-digit sack since he played in Miami, and Sheldon Richardson, four teams, four years. That gets them to the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 01:35:43 One in 16 against playoff teams, that gets them to the Super Bowl. They also hired a rookie head coach. They also have a significantly harder schedule. They also traded their second best offensive lineman, Kevin Zee. Zietler to the Giants. Pittsburgh and Baltimore, I believe, are better in division. I'm not a hater. I'll give you an example.
Starting point is 01:36:08 I'm going to give you a list of things I have been called a hater. And I don't believe you're a hater if you're accurate. Here's a list of five things where I have been called a hater. And I think in all of them, it's been borne out proven that I was accurate, not hating. The first one, Westbrook, calling you hate Westbrook. Because for years I said, Westbrook doesn't make teammates better. everybody gets better when they leave him. Okay, so James Harden left him MVP.
Starting point is 01:36:32 Kevin Durant left him two titles. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Oladipo left him All-Star, and Sabonis left him, and his numbers went up. I was never a hater with Westbrook. I've been accurate. There's a difference. The other one is Carmelo Anthony's overrated. I've said that for 10 years. Okay, Jerry Calangelo wouldn't even put him on as a reserve to the Fiba basketball team.
Starting point is 01:36:53 As much as everybody said they loved him, nobody ever wanted to play with him. Houston, after 10 games, just got out of the contract. I think I've been proven right that he's overrated and not a great team player. The other one is Aaron Rogers is difficult. Anybody reading the stories, family members, teammates? Like I'm one of 38 people now that's acknowledging it. I was never a hater on Aaron Rogers. I said sometimes I think he's arrogant, condescending.
Starting point is 01:37:21 I don't love his body language. I think he's difficult to coach. All of those have been proven to be true. All of them. I was also called a hater because I say 10-year contracts in baseball are stupid. The Washington Nationals now are now six games better than the Phillies who went and got him. I think they hurt locker rooms. I think you become lobsided.
Starting point is 01:37:44 I think you'll have to make financial choices to your pitching staff when you pay somebody that much money. I think baseball is the ultimate kind of team game where you've got to have good staff but a good bullpen. You have to have a good middle infield, power hitters, but also situation. hitters. You can't pay one guy $35 million a year in baseball. By the way, Manny Machado Padres, Mike Trout Angels. Angels are now just bad and uninteresting. And I was called a hater with all of those. I've been proven true in all of them. Here's the other one. The Browns won't be a Super Bowl team. How can you look at a football team that is 1 and 16 against playoff teams the last three years, added a receiver that can be healthy, a defensive lineman
Starting point is 01:38:29 nobody wants to keep, another guy that's highly paid, can't get the double-digit sacks, let go of their second best offensive lineman, hired a rookie head coach nobody else would offer a coordinator job to, and I'm a hater. No, I think Cleveland will be interesting. They're not going to be, I don't see great. I think they'll have games. Maybe it's the opener against Tennessee where they look great. I'm not denying they're not capable of great halves and great games.
Starting point is 01:38:55 But who did they beat last year and who did they add? Olivier Vernon? There's a reason the Giants let him go. Sheldon Richardson? Nobody wants to play with him. Freddie Kitchens? How do I know if he's a head coach? He'd never been hired as a coordinator.
Starting point is 01:39:13 Well, what about Baker Mayfield? What about him? He's talented. He's 5.11 and a half. behind the weakness of the teams the offensive line. Don't confuse Hater with Accurate. There is a gap. Now, Cleveland, as that list is, they've spent the most money on players in the NFL.
Starting point is 01:39:33 They brought in a bunch of disparate parts. I don't think you can just bring a bunch of parts in a rookie head coach and say, stir the soup five minutes. It's good. I do think, and I'll say it again with Cleveland, I think they're going to finish second, and I think they're going to be in a playoff chase, because I think at the end of the year, their last eight games,
Starting point is 01:39:51 they may go on a seven and one or a six and two run. So they're going to be talked about, but their schedule got significantly tougher. Last year, they faced Cincinnati twice. Cincinnati was the worst past defense in league history. They faced Atlanta, which had cluster injuries in the secondary. Go look at the Brown schedule. It is significantly tougher than last year.
Starting point is 01:40:17 All right, breaking news. We'll keep talking about it. T.J. Hushmanzada is going to stop by and talk about the mess that officially is the Oakland Raiders. There was a shouting match between Mike Mayock today and Antonio Brown. There are varying reports. They're going to suspend him. There are other reports. They could literally release him and get out of the contract.
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Starting point is 01:41:17 promo code Colin. this just came down from Vic Tafer. I don't think I've ever met Vic. He works for the athletic. That's a subscription sports site very good. He covers the Raiders. He said Raiders GM Mike Mayock said Antonio Brown is not in the building. And that's all Mayock has to say right now.
Starting point is 01:41:34 This has become a mess. It's disruptive. We're right before the season. This is why the Steelers were willing to roll the dice and get him out of the building. This is why. This is what we predicted. Listen, that football is hard. Football, I played all sports right as a kid.
Starting point is 01:41:54 I hated football practice, and it was my favorite sport. Football practice is hard. You can't have distractions. It's just, it's, games mean too much. People are sacrificing their bodies to play football. So, like, come in, be a pro, get it done, go home, get paid, hang with your family. This is for grownups. Okay, it's not like baseball with 162 games.
Starting point is 01:42:18 have a bad month. It's not the NBA. You can mail in Tuesday in Denver. Every week counts. You're sacrificing your body. Your careers are short. People have no tolerance for nonsense. They just don't in this league. I've been covering football for 30 years. People just don't have time for this nonsense. It's not, you know, soccer's got friendlies. So you play people and it doesn't even count. Like even in the preseason now, it's like you can get hurt. Your career can end. Nobody's willing to deal with this nonsense. I would get. get rid of Antonio Brown. I think you can get your guaranteed money back.
Starting point is 01:42:51 You gave up a third round pick. Who cares? Just move on. The other thing is, I just had a source recently on the Raiders who says they don't believe Antonio Brown will play three to four games this year. It is as bad or worse than you think. It is toxic right now. Joy Taylor with the news.
Starting point is 01:43:18 No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, let's continue with Antonio Brown. So this pretty much started with him posting the letter that we talked about yesterday. Yeah. Outlining the fines that they were going to be giving him. And he announced that he will be wearing the Zenith Shadow Helmet this season.
Starting point is 01:43:40 Well, if he plays. He posted on Instagram a picture of him holding the helmet, and it says helmet drama over, which is kind of ironic now. With the caption, Most Calculated Move by far, I choose Zenith. Hashtag Stockpile. Well, obviously, now we know everything you just said.
Starting point is 01:43:59 Their reports are planning on suspending him. They got in a shouting match yesterday. And him and GM, Mike Mayock, he had to be held back. He reportedly told Mayok, I will hit you in the face and then took a football and punted it and said, find me for that.
Starting point is 01:44:12 He was held back by Burfict. And they could suspend him in void the $30 million. and guarantees for his contract. The posting on the Instagram was very ill-advised at best. I think that the fines are the bigger deal. The posting of the picture and the helmets, we already knew that he was in talks about getting an endorsement
Starting point is 01:44:35 with the helmet company a few weeks back. So that shouldn't really come as a surprise to anyone, and I'm sure the Raiders obviously had to sign off on that as well as the NFL. So to me, that's not the bigger part of this. The bigger part of this is him posting the letter about the fines and complaining about the fines. And you remember what he said about it? It's like basically it's me versus everybody. Like everyone's going to have to pay.
Starting point is 01:44:56 The team's against me. And like you said, this is just turned into a completely toxic situation. I don't think this was ever a good spot for Antonio Brown to begin with. And I don't think that anyone should be surprised. Again, Antonio Brown is Antonio Brown. I will never understand why organizations try to change people. Like, this is who he is. This is not new.
Starting point is 01:45:17 There's a reason why. If the Steelers organization, a Steelers organization that is story in the NFL, consistent, winners, six championships, can't deal with Antonio Brown. What makes you think the Raiders are going to be able to? Yeah. It's, uh, look, Randy Moss went to New England,
Starting point is 01:45:41 and for two years was really part of the unit. But in the end, that Monday night football game in Miami, when they didn't target him, you're like, oh, it's gone sideways. And I would say overall, that was a success. You get two years of high-level production from Randy Moss. That's a success. Yeah, they never want to ring, but he was very, very good for them. Sure. But, I mean, my point being, you know, Dennis Rodman in San Antonio, was Dennis in Chicago, was Dennis in Detroit.
Starting point is 01:46:10 I told you my therapist always says this. Change is hard for people that want to change. Right. Once you give a guy $100 million, they don't want to change. They're not going to change. What's the incentive to change? And this is my thing. Like, I'm not, people can get mad at Antonio Brown.
Starting point is 01:46:27 And obviously, at this point, it's warranted. Like, you're putting yourself over the team completely. You're trying to fight your GM. I don't know what version of life you're allowed to fight your boss or have a verbal altercation like that with your boss. obviously there wasn't anything physical because he was being held back. But that's not an interaction you can have with the GM of a team in any sport. Like it's just what?
Starting point is 01:46:48 Who? Where? Where does that even happen? It's completely illogical. But in the end, like, this is Antonio Brown. Well, but this is why I criticize dramatic athletes. And this is why. So my thing is, you're right. But this is why I won't.
Starting point is 01:47:04 Whenever there's a crazy athlete goes to a team, I always say, I always take the side of, I wouldn't do this. And that's fair. That's my takeaway is I just, I wouldn't get in this relationship. Now, there are people, Andy Reid has worked with some difficult players through his career, and he's dealt with him pretty well. Like Andy's personality, Belichick's got no interest in it. Andy Reid has been able to deal with those.
Starting point is 01:47:25 There are coaches, there are coaches that can deal with it better than other coaches. Reed deals with it very well. Belichick's not interested in it. But I would push back on Belichick, because Belichick has had a lot of different characters. but it's something to what Gronks said the other day. Nobody in that organization is treated like a superstar. That's not necessarily the case with the Raiders. So when you have an unbalanced culture
Starting point is 01:47:46 where this person gets treated this way and now the whole team is watching how you handle Antonio Brown because, well, if he can get away with that, why can't I get away with it? It's just they have to move on. Like it just, it didn't work. It blew up. Just move on.
Starting point is 01:47:58 So Jerry Jones was very vocal during Zeke's holdout. He was hinting at being a little frustrated. And obviously there was the Zeke Who comments. And Zeke was asked if he has any problems with Jerry now after those comments, and Zieg said he has yet to speak to him. Honestly, I didn't talk to Jerry at all. You still have us.
Starting point is 01:48:15 No. It's just negotiations, and, I mean, you gotta get through it, and now we're good. You didn't take anything personally? No. Are you anxious to talk to him, Zee? I'm happy to talk to him. Zeke and Jerry are going to be fine.
Starting point is 01:48:31 Neither one of them is going anywhere now at this point, and Zieg won the situation. But I do think it's kind of interesting that they hadn't talked. And that was probably strategic by Zieg's people and part of the reason why he was in Cabo. Because Jerry has said, he likes to get in the room and talk directly to the player.
Starting point is 01:48:46 And why wouldn't he? He's Jerry Jones. He's the ultimate negotiator. It's the best in the world at that. Have you ever heard the Michael Irvin, Jerry Jones story? I'll tell you off the air sometime. I don't remember it perfectly. Michael Irvin got in the room of Jerry Jones.
Starting point is 01:49:01 I don't remember the story. Jerry started telling Michael about his father, who was an oil caterer in Texas and he lived in El Paso and he says Michael I appreciate what you want to get paid but I'm going to El Paso on that and Michael tells the story
Starting point is 01:49:16 and can't stop laughing and that's what Jerry wants he wants to get you in the room tell a story soften you up and then okay give me the paper I want to be a cowboy outside for nothing Exactly and Jerry knows that and that's why he wanted to do it
Starting point is 01:49:28 Now again I don't love Zique being in Cabo I think there was some other places he probably could have been But in the end, Zeke won, and, like, I'm happy he got paid, and it's great, and the Cowboys are going to be fine. And they had to if they wanted to try and make a championship run this year. But Jerry and Zeke will have a great conversation once everything settles down, and they'll be fine. Finally, Levion hasn't played since January of 2018. Right.
Starting point is 01:49:52 And his coach, Adam Gaye says that he's expressed how anxious he is to get back on the field. I mean, we'll see how the game goes. I mean, I can't predict how many plays we're going to have. But, I mean, I will say this. when I spoke to him yesterday. He said don't hold back. So he feels like he's ready to go. I think he's pretty excited to get out there.
Starting point is 01:50:15 Well, Buffalo's defense is good, and they don't have a number one receiver, and they don't have their tight end the Jets don't this week. They're starting tight end, so Lavian's going to get touches. Like, they don't have... As he should. I mean, I think you just get Lévion out there. Levion was one of the top running backs in the league. Obviously, we haven't seen him for a while,
Starting point is 01:50:33 so everyone's kind of forgetting how dynamic and incredible Leveon Bell is as a running back. I mean, there's a reason he got paid what he was paid, and there's a reason why he sat out. Like, he knew what he was worth. And I think this year is going to be an incredible year for Levyon. And it's a huge piece for the Jets to have because they needed a dynamic piece on the offense and to have it at running back. And Leveon is one of the best receiving running backs in the league, if not the best. I think he is the best. I mean, him and Zeeke are right there.
Starting point is 01:51:01 So I'm excited to see what they're. do, especially with Sam Donald, having a weapon like Levyon Bell. And there's no reason why they should take it slow with him. Like he's healthy and fresh and ready to go. I understand he hasn't played in a while, but he didn't just preseason. But I don't have any fear with that with Leveon. I think he should have a huge year. Jets and Bills is going to be really interesting. It's the Jets offense against the Bills defense. That could be a very low-scoring tight game. That could be a really interesting game because Buffalo is limited offensively, but they got great defensive coaches and really good secondary.
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Starting point is 01:51:48 primarily with the Green Bay Packers, who debuted tonight. Let's bring Brady on the show. Super Bowl champ, 2010 Green Bay Packers. Brady, how are you? Hey, by the way. Hey, how are you? From BYU.
Starting point is 01:52:00 That's right. I go to Utah. regularly. I'm going to Provo in two weeks to watch the Huskies in BYU play. How about that? When you go there, do you go, well, I guess now there's no snow, but when there is snow, do you go skiing? Oh, I'm a big skier. That's joy. Oh, nice. Okay. Every Friday. The entire winter. Nice.
Starting point is 01:52:15 Okay. I think Matt Lafleur and Aaron are going to work. I think they have both. They're invested. I think they're both verbal. I think they're both smart. I think it works. I think their schedules brutal early, so if it doesn't, we'll know. What do you make of Matt and Aaron? I think it's a phenomenal union you could say in the sense that because the deal with Mike McCarthy and Aaron was it was more like a father to son relationship that evolved to the point to where it's like you know when your your kids I don't know if you have kids that have gone on college eventually they got to go to college no longer could they be in your house because you're micromanaging everything they do they got to stand on their own two
Starting point is 01:52:48 feet and that's where it got with Aaron where Aaron's like hey man I'm capable to run the offense and he looks around at the NFL he sees Sean McVeigh he sees a guy like the floor and he's like man I can run off fences just as good as these guys right so why not let me and McCarthy's like no, man, I want to run my office. I want to call the plays. I want to have some fun when I'm here. I just don't want to be that CEO coach just letting everybody do their thing. And I'm kind of distant and
Starting point is 01:53:11 not involved in everything. And so, you know, they both had their, you can say, their preference. And it just came to the point to where we're there. And he just needed a guy to come in to where they could be equal. They could be to where they could see eye to eye. It could be more like a brotherly relationship to where now the coach is looking at him like, yeah, I trust
Starting point is 01:53:27 you. I, you know, I can see myself in you a little bit. You can go out there. I trust you to run the offense within the parameters that we're going to talk about and plan for and things of that nature and be good with it. And there's not going to be any kind of friction between the two. And so that's why when Murphy, the CEO made the move, Mark Murphy, I get him and Mike mixed up sometimes. But when Mark Murphy made that choice to go with Mount Fleur, that had to have been one of the reasons why is, hey, these guys can now work together instead of it being that kind of father-to-the-son relationship to where Mike's always wanted to say, man, I saw you break your teeth in the NFL. I changed your diapers in the NFL. And now, of a sudden, you want the full keys to the car.
Starting point is 01:54:06 And so this is going to be good. Aaron's going to play phenomenally. And it's going to help, too, that Lefleur loves to run the ball. Because I don't care what quarterback you have. I don't care how unbelievably historically he has played. A running game is a quarterback's best friend. Yeah, Aaron Jones is a really nice running back. So is Jamal Williams.
Starting point is 01:54:23 People forget about Jamal Williams. He's BYU guy, by the way. Back up for the Packers. You hesitated on that one. Well. Well, why is that? The last time Aaron had what I considered was a really elite defense was the one you were on, which was in 2010. I think it's always been fair.
Starting point is 01:54:42 I know Aaron has said this to people privately because I know those people that he has at times looked at Tom Brady's defenses. And he's been like, I need a defense. I think the Packers have done a really good job knowing Aaron's contract was coming up. The last two years, Brady, they have gone heavy in a defensive. drafting defense. They've got into free agency. Preston Smith, I thought, was a great mid-level free agent pickup. I look at this personnel with Green Bay. I like him tonight to win. I think it's a real defense. It's young, but I think it, take me into what you think this defense will be for Green Bay. Well, the key is Petten. Petton came in last year in his first year.
Starting point is 01:55:19 And so everybody's like, you know, when you come in your first year and you come from a Dom Kaper scheme, in any scheme, from one scheme to the next, there's new terminology, there's introduce philosophies. A great example, that was the usage of Clay Matthews. Clay Matthews, under Dom Capers, was a key rushing figure on passing downs. All of a sudden, he's now dropping into coverage. And so because of that, there's all these adjustments that have to take place, and it does take about a year for the players to kind of get a feel for, okay, what's this
Starting point is 01:55:43 guy's philosophy going to be, how he's going to implement us, what does he want to get done? And with Petton, he's all about deceptive blitzes. I mean, this guy wants to show one thing on one side, where, oh, I'm going to overload blitz on the left, and then boom, he'll drop. Every guy in the left and overblow blitz on the right. So he likes more of a deception game, and he doesn't want to basically, you know, pigeonel any one of his guys is saying, okay, you're the rusher, you're the guy in coverage, you know, and he wants all the guys to be versatile to where there is that level of deception.
Starting point is 01:56:10 And so it takes time to understand what a defensive coordinator wants to achieve and ultimately align your game with that. And so that to me is going to be the biggest jump is now you've got guys in there that have been under Petten going into their second year. And Petton, his better. degree is phenomenal. He's always had excellent defenses. So I'm with you. I think the defense has to be better. They have to be elite. They have to be in the position of where Aaron, he's not a robot. I mean, and that's half of the problem with what has got, because everybody always asks,
Starting point is 01:56:41 why hasn't Aaron run more Super Bow, blah, blah, blah. Well, after we won the Super Bowl, I had the fortune to sit down with the guy who designed the team at Ted Thompson, and I got cut, by the way. That's why I was in the meeting with him. And basically, he said, you know what? The reason why we're cutting you is because, and we're cutting a lot of defensive guys. They cut Nick Barnett, they cut Brandon Chiller. They moved on from Jenkins, Colin Jenkins, went to the field of the Eagles, another key player of ours. And it's like, the reason why we're doing that is because we just feel with Aaron, we're not going to stop teams on defense. We're just going to look down score teams.
Starting point is 01:57:13 And I'm sitting there and I'm like, Ted, you're a former linebacker. What are you talking about? I mean, defense always set you up because your quarter, yeah, I mean, in 2010, we won the Super Bowl. Aaron was like out of his mind. He had like eyes behind the back of his head. Yeah, he was great. But the defense didn't get the love, but that was a real defense that year. It was legit.
Starting point is 01:57:31 No question about it. But they oversaw that and then put it all in Aaron like, hey, man, whether you have a good defense or not, we think that you're going to be able to overcome that. And obviously we weren't able to do that. He wasn't able to do that. And that was the biggest problem is they just didn't give him enough support because they just say, hey, you're going to go out and win his games. But he's not a robot.
Starting point is 01:57:50 I mean, there's going to be games where he's off and he's going to need the running game or the defense to step in and help him out. Do you worry he's 35. He's had two collarbone surgeries. It's really weird. I got kids. Some get sick all the time. My son never get sick.
Starting point is 01:58:05 Hypochondriac. I don't know what it is. I've covered athletes my whole life. John Lynch, remember John Lynch? One of the biggest hitters in the league. Never had a concussion. John. That we know about.
Starting point is 01:58:16 I've seen him get up from some of those hits sort of dizzy and looking at stars and them shaking it off. I get what you're saying. I guess you're saying. Like Aaron has been dinged. Do you worry about in a division with a lot of good pass rushes, do you worry about Aaron's health at all? Well, you do because if he goes down pretty much your seasons,
Starting point is 01:58:37 it's a rebuilding year. You know, we saw that a couple years ago when he broke his collarbone. They went from being a contending team to not even make it into the playoffs. And part of that was coaching for kind of out loud. You have Brett Hunley in there and you're trying to use him as an Aaron Rogers type quarterback, but he's more of a runner. Right. You know, that was part of the deal.
Starting point is 01:58:52 But you see it. You see his value to the organization is one to where how he goes, the organization goes, and protecting him is of the essence. And the running game is going to play a big part of that. Because if people don't realize about the running game, you talk about a pass rush, is if you're able to force these guys like Khalil Mack to have to set the edge, to have to bang up against a 320-pound backtiari, who's left tackle.
Starting point is 01:59:15 He's very good. And he's phenomenal. And have to constantly do that. All of a sudden, when you get to those predictable passing situations, your legs aren't as fresh. You're not as explosive. You've been worn down by a guy who's 70 pounds heavier than you are because you're able to run the ball.
Starting point is 01:59:30 And that's going to protect your quarterback. So protecting him is going to be of the essence, and that's why with LaFlorre, he's got that run-centric offense, that zone-blocking scheme offense, that should be able to accomplish that. But keeping Aaron healthy is priority number one. Because if he's not healthy,
Starting point is 01:59:43 your chances to make the playoffs are pretty much out the window. Do you ever talk to Aaron? All the time. Aaron's a good buddy about it. Okay, good. Because James Jones is a good buddy of his, too. Yeah, I love James Jones, too. By the way, Aaron, to me, sometimes his body language I don't love.
Starting point is 01:59:57 But I've always acknowledged, I'd vote him in Hall of Fame first time. It's one of the greatest players of others. Is there even a question about that, though? Yeah, no, no, no, no. But I mean, years ago, I criticized him and people said you're outrageous. And then stuff's come out, and people are like, well, he can be a little. I just think he's a strong point of view person. And I think people with strong points of view alienate some people who have.
Starting point is 02:00:16 Absolutely. Because they're polarizing. Because if you're a strong point of view person, as you know, Mr. Colling. Sometimes occasionally. have people that like what you say and then you have people that absolutely hate what you say. Yeah. You know, and see, the funny thing about Brett. See, Brett, I remember there was a reporter out of Milwaukee.
Starting point is 02:00:30 She came up and asked me some political question. And she's like, I know you're going to give me a straight answer. She's like, I can't ask Brett anything. He's like, he won't give me a straight answer. He won't take aside on political elements or anything. And he was for that reason. He wanted to have kind of everybody like him. Yes.
Starting point is 02:00:45 Aaron is not like that person. At all. He doesn't care. I mean, if you like him, great. If you don't like him, stame. I mean, but he's going to have his stance, and he's going to dig in his hills. And if you like it, great. If you don't, then so be it.
Starting point is 02:00:57 Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan. You know, Republicans buy shoes. They don't want to get into the political frame. LeBron wants to get into the political frame. Muhammad Ali was great. Aaron's great. It's different personalities. Okay, Brady, we got to go.
Starting point is 02:01:07 Brady Pippenga. Good stuff. Love to have you on again. Oh, and time to have you on. Where do you reside now? I'm here in Los Angeles. Are you really? Malibu.
Starting point is 02:01:13 Yeah, I live to hit those waves, you know. Are you? When winter hits, I go to the mountains. And I go skiing, just like you do. Oh, I've been up to, like, literally Big Bear does not get the credit it deserves. If you time it right, it's phenomenal, but my favorite place is Mammoth. All right. I like skiers.
Starting point is 02:01:29 Yeah. Servers and skiers. All right, we take a break. We come back with our marquee three, my college picks of the weekend. Those are coming up. Every car comes with its share of stories. We all know this, right? I've had some beaters.
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Starting point is 02:06:35 We give you an opportunity. I make my college football, my three picks. I call it my marquee three. And I give you an opportunity and enjoy you an opportunity as well. To listen to Uncle Colin and win. money and it's fun for me and I'm going to try to take as often as I can the games you're going to watch. There's a million college football games, but I feel very strongly about my picks this week. So here we go with our marquee three. Ready to make some sweet cash?
Starting point is 02:07:07 Colin's going to give you his three sure bets for the college football weekend. It's time for the Fox Bet Marquis three. LSU at Texas. Number six LSU at number nine Texas. Now Texas is getting six and a half points. I like the Texas side. I like the points. I think LSU wins. But Tom Herman is a remarkable coach as an underdog, 13, 2 and 1 in his last 15. Last season, three of Texas's four losses were by five points or fewer. They were 2 and 0 against the SEC and outplayed Georgia. They become very good at home and they have a quarterback that reminds me of Tim Tebow, a better thrower Sam Ellinger. LSU's got better personnel than Texas right now. I think Texas is a year away from winning a national championship. But Texas at home, six and a half points is way
Starting point is 02:08:00 too much. I'm going to take LSU to win the game, 2724 LSU wins, but I'm going to take the points with Texas. Way too much to give Tom Herman as an underdog. San Diego State at UCLA. UCLA minus 8. I'm going to take the Bruins and swallow the points here. First of all, San Diego State does not beat Pac-12 teams. Historically, they don't. These are almost always mismatches.
Starting point is 02:08:29 In fact, 22 times these teams have played, UCLA's never lost, ever. Remember, UCLA played Cincinnati last week without four offensive starters. They were all hurt. Demetrick Felton had 174 all-purpose yards. This is going from a tough road opener to being comfortable at home. San Diego State has lost four straight games to FBS opponents. And again, all time this series has been a mismatch. UCLA is playing a lot of young players.
Starting point is 02:09:02 So even their wins are going to be bumpy and mistake-filled, but I'll take the Bruins to win, 30-20 to win and cover. Take the Bruins. Texas A&M at Clemson. These two teams met last year, and it's really interesting. Now, Texas A&M is getting 17 and a half points. I like Clemson to win, but I'm going to take the 17.5 points. Again, these teams played last year.
Starting point is 02:09:29 Texas A&A have more yards, almost double the first downs, more passing yards, and dominated time of possession. Texas A&M's won five straight games dating back to last year with Jimbo Fisher. Each of the last two meetings between these teams decided by three or less. Clemson has the superstar quarterback and better overall offensive talent. But I've told you before, you give me these SEC teams in these big out-of-conference matchups. And I predicted this last week with Oregon.
Starting point is 02:10:01 They can get outplayed. Auburn got outplayed. But in the end, who was the deeper, fresher team? Auburn. And Auburn made the plays late that Oregon could not. This is going to be a very competitive football game. Clemson's offense will eventually mark the day. Clemson will win this, 3731.
Starting point is 02:10:24 But do not expect Texas A&M and Jimbo Fisher to roll over. I don't think Clemson's defense this year is special. I think in the first game, Trevor Lawrence struggled. College doesn't get a preseason. A lot of mistakes by Clemson. It's a good game. It's the toughest game on their schedule at Clemson, and A&M punches back, and it's really fun to watch.
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