The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Richard Sherman Podcast - 49ers' George Kittle on Jimmy Garoppolo's return, NFL's top tight ends & his goals for Tight End U

Episode Date: September 4, 2022

49ers tight end George Kittle joins The Richard Sherman Podcast to talk with Richard about Jimmy Garoppolo's return to San Francisco as the backup quarterback to Trey Lance, his ranking on the most recent NFL Top 100 list, how he ranks other top NFL tight ends like the Kansas City Chiefs' Travis Kelce, Las Vegas Raiders' Darren Waller, and Baltimore Ravens' Mark Andrews, what makes his teammate Trent Williams such a transcendent offensive tackle, what it's like going up against 2x Pro Bowler and Defensive Player of the Year candidate Nick Bosa in practice, and his plans for Tight End U – a joint venture between himself, Kelce, and Greg Olsen to train the next generation of tight ends. #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome, welcome back. We just had my guy Mitch Eisenstein on last episode. But this week, we got one of my favorite teammates, George Kitto, one of the best tight ends in the National Football League, in my opinion, the best. And Tony Gonzalez's opinion, best. Here he is. George Kittle. Appreciate you joining me, brother. Goodness. Wow, Richard Sherman everybody. And he has the goat shirt on because he's the goat. This is a very soft shirt.

Actually, I wore this because it's you and I like you a lot. I love you too. So Jorge, you got out of another camp. I did. How you feeling? I'm great. Well, first, Rich, I just want to say, it is Joe Stanley's birthday today. What? Yeah. So I got to text him. I know, another goat. One of one, Joe Staley, happy birthday. Got out of training camp, healthy, feel phenomenal, running around, feeling fast, feeling strong. You know, it's nice when you get to go against a defense like ours every single day because if you don't try to get a little bit better, they're just going to fucking make you look like not really good. Sorry, right, the words it's in the morning.

But so going against that every single day has been awesome. Definitely challenging, but I think that's really good for us because it's not going to get any easier. No, what's not? But it's not going to get any harder. either. It's not going to get harder than that. That's the point. Yeah. The only thing that's going to be harder is getting actually tackled. But Fred does that sometimes anyway. Right, right, right. And I would guess Greenlaw, you know, and the guys he taught Greenlaw and Z's, they don't seem to have governors on them either.

No, that's our lineback in court. Everybody loves them. Right, right, right. And by love them, you know, I mean they hate them with every bit of their fiber because they've got to go against them. And I would too. They're going to be, it's going to be hard pressed to keep all them together. This probably the last year where that's going to happen. So we got to take advantage of that, don't we? Got to take advantage. And the way you take advantage of it is keeping Jimmy G. Like they did. Bob. Right. Sure. I love it. You know, that's what I'm working on it. Like you know what you're doing or something, man. Almost. So how are you feeling about that? Because I know how I feel and I know the stupidity that I hear on the outside and how much sense it makes on

the inside. And I'm like, for the guys in the locker room and the guys that know I'm in love them, This is awesome. How are you feeling about it? Oh, I mean, I'm happy. I think Jimmy G just, like you said, everybody loves him in the locker. There's no bad blood anywhere. We all respect Jimmy. We all respect him as a leader.

We respect him as a quarterback. Him being in that room with, you know, Trey Lance and Coach Shanahan, our office coordinator, like I think that's going to be very beneficial for Trey. And while Trey's in the driver's scene, and Trey gets to play quarterback, he is Jimmy G who knows how to win games and he can learn a lot from him. So, you know, I hope that that's how Trey takes us. And like, he just continues to play his game. because Trey's a really good quarterback.

He just needs a lot of reps, and those reps are coming, and he's going to get a lot better, and he's going to continue to get better. And I think with a guy like Jimmy behind him, I think that will continue to push Trey to want to be better as well. So I think it's really good for our team in grand scheme of things. You're having a QB like that that you can plug in if some worst-case scenario happens. Hey, you know what you're going to get with Jimmy,

and like you said, the whole of Ockerman-Dexam. It couldn't be a better situation for the 49ers. You know, obviously they made the decision last year when they drafted Trey, everybody knew this was an inevitability, and I think even Jimmy does. And it just speaks to who he is as a person. And, you know, his team, teammate self. And he has not complained one bit. He has not said a bad word about anybody.

He has not done anything but go about his business like a pro like he always has. And I think you're right. I think it's going to be freaking amazing to just have that leadership, that experience. And people are like, oh, it's going to put so much pressure on trade. Like, no, it's not. Kyle already named him the starter. There's no confusion. everybody on a championship team understands their role and they play it well.

And I think that's the same with this situation. Like he's going to know his role. He's going to know what he's got to do. And he gets to stay in the locker room with his boys and likely win a dang Super Bowl. And he deserves the dang ring. You know, it would be weird. You don't want a Super Bowl and Jimmy G. didn't get a ring.

That be true. That is true. No, I agree with you. Like there's a lot of positives to come out of this. Like I said, like Jimmy, he's a non-winner. I'm like, that's what he's best. He wins games. Like that's what he does.

And so, and he has that, I don't know, you're not in the huddle with him, but he kind of sense, like, he's got this intensity to him. And so, like, there's just aspects of football that aren't just X's and O's and they're not just throwing the football that Trey's going to learn from Jimmy, like just how to carry yourself, how to do certain things. And Trey does a good job with that. Just Jimmy's been doing it longer, so you're just going to learn a lot of things from. So I like, I like, I look forward.

It gives you more peace. At least you sleep better at night as a team, just knowing that you continue to have that. If you're not one disaster away from the season being over, you know, And every other team is one disaster away from the season. One quarterback injury away from their season being like wrap it up. Like it's not going to happen this year for you. And that's an anxiety that you guys don't have to deal with. That's like to stress.

Oh, dude. Isn't it crazy that no one really realizes that? Because you're just one thing away from just like, well, there goes, that was six months of working out in OTAs that I'm really glad I put into. Right. Like I put in all this work and we got all these guys, You got the most talented roster. You got freaking top five at all these positions.

And one injury can send all that home. Like, yep, good job, guys. Isn't football the best? It is the best and the worst at the same time. Oh, my goodness. So I miss you. I miss you as a teammate. I miss you as a friend.

You know, I miss being in the locker room, but I learned so much from the kid alert, you know. Okay, okay, that's cheating. You put it into the camera. You can't do that. You got to keep it low. It's below my waist, dude. I know, man. Sure. There's nothing like you in the locker, man.

Seeing you on Thursday night football was an absolute blast. Yeah, I had so much fun seeing you guys at K&I. Oh, my gosh. It wasn't our best game, but the good news is we still had fun out there and I got to see you. Dude, you have quite the group that you could talk with every single week. Right, right, right. I got one of the goats that tied in, you know, and fits magic. Holy cow, dude, you've got a squad out there. Yeah, man. Not like you guys is a squad, but, you know. Speaking of tight ends, like who right now is top three outside of Jorge Kiddle?

Oh, wow. At the tight-in spot. Let's see. I'll give you my favorite that I love to watch on film. I mean, I think Kelsey, Mark Andrews, and Waller are doing things incredible. They have been. I think one of my most underrated guys, Dallas Goddard with Philly. I don't think he gets any credit.

He's phenomenal. He's really good in the run game. And I think he's really, really good in the past. He's got a great feel for it. And I know that his QB really likes him, so he's going to get a lot of passes, especially now that they have two wide receivers on the outside that can really ball. He's going to eat in that middle. Him, Hawkinson's going to have a great year with Detroit.

My guy Bobby Tunyon's back with Green Bay, and after scoring 12 touchdowns and not getting a lot of love. So somehow Mr. Proble with 10 touchdowns, but, you know, I'm over it. I'm not upset about it anymore. I'm upset. I'm upset. But it is what it is. No, but I think those are guys like just on my. that I see right now that are just, you're going to see him.

You're going to get here about them in fantasy and all that stuff. But I mean, Goddard's one of, he's got a chance. Oh, then you can't. Hey, Kyle Pitts is going to have a great year of guard. They're going to throw him the heck out of the ball to him. He'll probably have like 80 plus catches and over 1,000 yards. So I'm looking forward to watching it. No question.

I felt, you know what I felt awful for at the tight end spot who's a pretty good player? It's just techie. I felt awful for him. He got imbo. He got imbo, but he don't block. And you're not blocking and having an embo. it's conflict. It's going to be conflict to interest.

Like, you got to block, you got to be involved in a run game. If you're not, then you go here to train rumors. That is that's Invo's number of thing. You're going to hit sled before practice and you're going to hit. You're going to hit Nick Bowles during practice. And you're just going to keep blocking until you can't anymore. Right. I don't.

Dude, Giuseki, I mean, you can see all the stuff he does like in routes. Like he's literally, he's a massive wide receiver. He's got great hands. He gets separation. He catches the ball. Good routes. Is blocking his strong suit? No.

So I really hope that they find a way to utilize his talents because they did franchise tag him. They're paying him money. And he is a good player. Right. Is he going to be the tip of the spear and run outside zone every single play? No. It is what it is. There's guys that there's plenty of guys in the league that don't do that because they're successful.

So like they hopefully it's tough, especially with my guy John Embry down there. He wants to see Block Apps team and he wants to see Block Outside Zone. You know what? It's okay. Like I hope they find a way to use just a second. They don't just keep throwing them out. in front because it is like certain people do certain things really well. Right. And he does it really well. He's a problem in the past game. No question. It's just crazy, man. It's crazy league we're in right now.

But how did you feel about your spot on top 100? That's the important stuff because you didn't get the damn pro ball. But the top 100, you got some respect. But was it, you know, I felt like it could have been higher, but who in my eye? Just always some hating going on. You know, for me, I just appreciate being on the list because I do feel like I'm definitely in the top 100 at football players in the felt. I think my film, you know, shows that. The ones I'm upset about, I don't know how Tripp Williams isn't one, two, or maybe three. Like that, you just watch his tape. He physically dominates people every single play. He mentally outsmarts people every single play. He gets his hands on you. You're going to get blocked. He doesn't get penalties. He's efficient. He gets put in motion.

Like, he does all these things that no one else can even dream of doing because of his talent level. Right. He's a 14th best player. And like, look, you're in the, top 10, like all those guys deserve to be in the top. They're all fantastic football players. Right. But like you got, like this is Aaron Donald and Tripp Williams are like one, two. Right. And then I think that's it. And then you got Tom Brady, you got Aaron Rogers, you got Mahomes, you got Josh down, you got those quarterbacks are really special. Cooper Cup was incredible. DeMonte Adams was incredible. But like no one does what Trent Williams does. Every single play. And you're next to him, a lot of those plays.

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Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. How crazy is? What is some of the craziest stuff you've seen? Because you see different than, you know, a lot of people don't see the dirty work that goes on down there. I mean, they see you pancakeing people as a tight end who's not over 270 pounds, which is crazy in itself. But tell me about it. Well, like, this is, when we first got Trent, teams went

straight to six down fronts against us. So me and Trent could not double team people. It wasn't crazy. We got our third preseason game last year, two years ago. I think we played, but not 20, but like one of our first games we played together. We had an outside zone together. And we are, the defensive end was outside the numbers and like the linebackers on its back 10 yards down the field. And as soon as that happened, every team after that, every time that me and Trent lined up on the same field, they put like a detackle, a D&N and an outside linebacker on a scrimmage.

So every single blocks. And like, hey, kudos to them. Like that is definitely a way to get rid of the double team. But like every time I get a line up next to Trent Williams because I believe I'm the best in the world at run blocking. Of course, that is especially my offense. and when I get a line up next to Trent Williams, who's the best in the world at his position,

hey, it makes my life a whole bunch easier. And then you also got McGlensry on the right side, who is also a top five, top 10 run blocking office of linemen. Put us together like, hey, you can run in either direction, you can dominate people. So like, especially in our office. Like when you line up next to Trent Williams, I am 99.9% competent.

All I have to do is not get stepped on and I'm going to succeed in my play. Well, first off, Tony Gonzalez feels that same way. He feels like you're the best tight-hitting football and he loves you. I love that. Well, that's just, we have that John Embry. We have that John Embry.

Right, right. It's different for top. But the John Embry is a little different for that. Whatever, I digress. I got to ask Tony how Embo coached him. Like, was he in the sleep before practice? Because I don't think so. I don't think so.

I could ask him and I'll text you. Yeah, but I would say no. He was not. Oh, my goodness. So about the Joker tattoo. Yeah. I need to hear all about it because I've seen it and I love it. And I know you.

and I want them to know you too. Which ones? I just got Hobbs from Calvin and Hobbs. I just got that one done this summer. Yes. Yes. Tell me the meaning. You got to have meaning behind these things.

I do. I have each one is like a special party. Like I'm a child. You know that. Sure. I like to play. I like to enjoy myself. Calvin Hobbs is actually,

that's like I kind of taught myself I had to read reading these comics growing up. Like I read the son. I read the funnies every single day growing up basically until I went to college. But Hobbs is always like, I'm Calvin. I always like that. I'm Calvin and Hobbs is my imaginary friend that I keep around with me. Just to keep the energy light,

to have fun, and just remember to enjoy myself every single day. So that was Hobbs. And I know, I got the quote from the, I have a quote on it too from that Hobbs says from the comics. It says, I suppose we couldn't laugh at things that don't make sense.

We couldn't react to a lot of life. And that's kind of how I live most of my life is laughing at things that I don't really understand because I don't know how else to react. Right, right, right. Talking about really great players who are children, talk to me about Nicholas John Bosa, please. He is a massive amount.

He's just a massive humanity. His quasi-size of my poor. He is a child. He has this like this own manner routine that he does every single day. He's incredibly, he does all the things to a T. Everything he does is his routine. He does it his way.

He does at the highest level. But as soon as he's outside of that, He's just like a kid that just wants to hang out. He wants to watch cartoons. He wants to listen to EDM music. And he just wants to hang out the boys. Or he just locks himself away in his dungeon and just you don't hear from him for a couple of days. Right.

There's this whole offseason hybriding like a grizzly bear down in his elite weight room with Joey Bosa down in Florida. And they can sit down there and hybridate and they come back looking like bigger beasts than they were before. Which is horrifying. I just cannot imagine it. Like they were showing clips of what he was doing in Minnesota. and I was like, bro, this is just unfair for y'all to have to practice against this dude because y'all don't understand him. At least you guys have an elite talent to deal with his elite talent.

Like when you don't have that and you're blocking them with tight ends, I'm sure those tight ends were coming up to you after and being like, bro, what the? Yeah, what do you do? I mean, like, Nick does this thing that no one else has ever done. And like, one of my first times ever going to say when he was a rookie, I passed it on. And Nick doesn't bore rush a lot in practice because it's awesome. And he was like, why would I have bullwreck?

It's a waste of a rep. Like, I can bulrush every rep. That's a waste. Like, I'm going to try something new every single time. Right. Like, awesome. I appreciate because in my head, I'm like, okay, if I'm not going to get bullrust and I can be a little bit louder on my feet and I don't have to anchor and punch, right?

And I go to punch one time. And he just grabbed both my wrists and just pulled me to the side. And then went past me and I just turned around. I was like, oh, whoa. This guy's a rush or a rush for a rush. Yeah, I was like, no one's ever grabbed my wrist and pulled before. And I said, that was new. there goes my whole plan.

I'm going to figure something else out now. So, yeah, no, I mean, I love going against Nick. He definitely, like, if you're not 100% on, he wins, no matter what. And so, like, there's not very many people in league like that. Also, like, he's a guy, like, if Trent Williams isn't practicing, nothing against our backup left tackle, whoever it is. Like, our offense is in for a world of hurt that day if Nick decides to practice or. Like, Nick's a guy that literally could not practice and still show up on Sundays and be one of the best players in the NFL. I'll also say this shirt.

I think Nick Bolsa is, I want to say, he's probably going to be a defensive player of the year. I think he's going to have a shot at being an MVP as long as people give him the flowers when he's out there and he sets a new sack record and stuff. That man, like, I know he's going to get double teams. He's going to get chipped every single play, but he's so good that.

How can they? With Javon Kinlaw, Eric Armstrongstead, the kid Drake, Jacks, like, how are they going to be able to double it? Like, if you don't double them, Kenlaw and Armstead, your guards are in your left. No, that's, and I think all you have to do is put Nick away from Armstead so they can't slide to both of them. You're going to give Kenlaw, whether it's Kenla, Armstead's going to get

to Nick might get a chip, but your other defensive end and your other tackler each going to have one-on-ones, and there's not a lot of guys that are sturdy enough to handle Kenla. And our other end, whether it's Drake, whether it's Samson, whether it's Kerry Heider, those guys know how to rush the quarterback. Kerry Hider had 10-and-half sax course in 20. 20. Right. I was there. Yeah, you were there. Like, we got guys that know how to rush the pass. We got guys that know how to stop the run. And guess what? We have three of, some of the best linebacks in football right behind them. And I think our secondary looks pretty

decent too. Come on down to it. It's almost like you guys are a pretty good team. Some would say, sure. Some would say, the tidy in you, is it done now? Is that it? Like, is it over over? No, I mean, we have next year coming up, Sherman. I love it. How, like, is that going to be an every year thing or do you want it to outlast you? Like, what do you want from that? What do I want from it? I would love for it to outlast me. I'd love to be a part of it as long as I can be. I think it's fantastic. We grew from 49 to 85 tight ends this year. Hopefully we can continue to grow it to get more and more guys. I want to have it open to everybody. I want to what's really cool with the new NIL stuff, we could have college guys. We had three college

guys this year. We had an Alabama, Michigan and a Notre Dame guy up this year. All guys who are going to be good NFL football players. So just to have them, you know, hang out with us, learn a little bit, have Greg Olson yell at them. That was pretty fun. You know, like my goal is too, like something that we kind of had an idea. I want to get some college and high school coaching down and learn how to coach a tight end position correctly because in high school, like, I think the tight end is just like an assistant

coach who's never played tight end or done anything this entire life. Right. And nothing against them. They're trying their best. But like, why not bring in coaches like college coaches from smaller, from smaller colleges or even like big colleges, like learn how. the guys that are in the NFL are playing the game today. Because, like, hear me out, Scher.

Like, you know how, like, straight coaches are, like, kind of in control of your life when you're in college? Like, this is your body weight. This is what you're going to do. This is what we're going to do. One of my tight ends showed up, the college guys, and he was touring almost 270 pounds, six foot three and a half, six foot four, two hundred seventy pounds. And I was like, dude, are you trying to play left guard?

Or are you trying to be a tight in league? Because look at you, because he's in this room with all these tight ends, all these NFL tight ends. And he's the heaviest guy by 10 pounds. I'm like, I'm like, dude, I weigh 245. Travis Kelsey's 250, 25, 260 max, but he's also 6 foot 6. So that's pretty skinny stuff for his size. Right.

You're 6'4. You need to be 255 at the most, man. Like, it's speed in the NFL, speed and strength. That's all. It's not how big you are, really. So I like, just like, so guys haven't understood like, oh, wow. Like, I thought it had to be, because like when I was in college, you told me, you're not 265, you won't play in the NFL.

Wrong. Like, speed kills. Right. Speed kills, sure. So, like, I mean, like, so I want to get. more guys around. I built in his brotherhood. And, you know, the cool, my favorite thing is, like, at every single game, every tight-end in the field is going to know each other. Yes. And I think that's really cool stuff.

That is really cool. And that's the most impression. We tried to do something like that. When I first got to San Francisco in 2018, we tried to do a DVU, and DBs aren't tight-ins. And there's a little bit more something else there. I don't want to say what it is, but there's something there that just wouldn't come together in the way that we needed it to come together. but whatever. How do you not have a Stanford tight end there? How do you not tidy in?

You is in Palo Alto and we don't have... It's down the street. No. Sherman's wrong? Yeah, I know. He's wrong. Sorry.

Sorry, I got a phone call from everybody else in the world and they agreed with me that you're not. What? No, I did have Stanford tight ends there and they just won college cell. Like I had Kobe Parkinson.

Zach Hertz was there last year. He couldn't be there this year because his wife was having a kid. No, I respect my tight ends from Stanford. I do. It's not my fault that most Stanford guys are a little out there. We are 100% out. You're out there.

I know, but like, you know what you're going to get from an Iowa guy. Stanford guys are just, you don't know where they're going. Exactly. They're just different. Like, there's nothing similar between you, McCaffrey, Zach Hertz and Colby, Salman Thomas. There's no similarities other than the fact, they're all just weird. That's what I love to.

That's what I want to hear. I know Stanford's sitting there like, yeah, that's what we want it. That's what we want. Academics. Oh, my God. Well, I appreciate you, brother. I don't want to hold you off. I know you got practice to get to and cold tubs and hot tubs.

That I do, sure. Hey, sure not. I got a favorite house of you. You've got anything you need. Anything? Sick. Any chance for I'm on my family's podcast at some point this year? Yes.

Yes. Thank you. Of course. Let me know when. Let me know where. You got my number still. I know. Yeah.

Let me know when and where. And I'll be there just like this. And for all the Kiddler questions. That's perfect. I can't work for my dad interview. He's going to have an absolute blast. I love that. I know.

Sure. Thanks for having me on, and you're a king. I appreciate you. You're the king, brother. I can't wait to see you. I won't see you guys until like week 15 in December, but it'll be right around pro-bo time for me to hype everybody up and make sure we don't get snubs this year like Kettle was last year with 10-touch.

And we're here, dog. We hear. Thanks, we're here. See, dude. Appreciate you, brother. Love you. Yeah, love you, too. from some SNL late-night comedy guy,

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Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media.

Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifers Show. This is a place for raw, unfills of conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to The Cliverd Show

on the IHeard Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. This is an IHeart podcast, Guaranteed Human.