The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Richard Sherman Podcast - Calvin Johnson on Lions offseason, Raiders passing on him, NFL cannabis policy

Episode Date: March 22, 2023

Richard Sherman interviews Calvin Johnson (a.k.a. Megatron) once again and the two NFL legends share some amazing stories from their careers. Megatron discusses his NFL Draft experience, the NFL Combine urban legend about him running the 40-yard dash in someone else's shoes, and why he thought the Oakland Raiders would draft him instead of Jamarcus Russell before the Detroit Lions got their chance. Richard and Calvin also break down current NFL topics like Aaron Rodgers, Lamar Jackson, and the Detroit Lions' offseason, and have a comprehensive discussion about the NFL's stance on cannabis use. #volume #herd This episode is sponsored by Gametime. Get $20 off your first purchase with promo code SHERMAN at http://gametime.coSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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back to the Richard Sherman podcast and a friend of the program Megatron, Calvin Johnson. Welcome back. How you been? Doing good. Staying busy, man. Game play. Can't play. I ain't mad at that. I ain't mad at that.

Your lion's having a busy offseason, that's for sure. They signing some people, getting some discounts for a change. How are you feeling about them so far? I think that it's important for them to have a good offseason, man. Obviously, they need to have

a decent graph. But I think the free agency was even bigger for them. And I think they had a solid free agency and we're able to build upon how they finished the season last year. I still can't believe they got C.J. Gardner Johnson. I don't know. How do you got that going?

The safety market is just, it's just go bad every year. And now they're talking about A-Rod to the Jets. That's kind of insane. I mean, you being in the division with him as long as you were, what do you think about that? It's crazy. It's crazy just to visualize him somewhere else than Green Bay. But if anybody can do it, I feel like he's one of those kind of players that transcends and can do well in any situation.

No question. I agree. I mean, I think Green Bay is going to try to hold the Jets hostage for a while. Such a weird deal that they got going. I mean, you would think the parameters would be set already, but they're playing all kind of games. Like, hey, if y'all don't give us this, then we're just going to wait it out. And they're going to make A-Rod do some something else weird. I got a feeling.

They're going to make them going to go into another retreat. to go into another dark closet somewhere or something. I mean, it seems like, I mean, obviously, it don't seem like Green Bay wants to move forward with Aaron. So, you know, like you say, they're going to try to get all they can out of this deal. Right, right. I mean, I just don't see what you give them if you're the Jets.

You ain't giving them no multiple first round picks. I mean, y'all are already trying to get rid of him. We got to pay him $60 million. Like, look, just take a few picks and get up out of you. And then, man, they pissing me off with this Lamar Jackson situation. I just, like, because soon it's, when Burroughs come up and he asks for the exact same thing and the same people that's mad about Lamar ain't mad, I'm going to be mad. The same thing, man, when he came out, it was like, this dude should be a receiver.

You know, it's unfortunate that, you know, he has to go through that just because of the color of the skin, it seems like, because, like you say, anybody else really just get the dame. The bank's going to get thrown out, you know. And for his caliber, the caliber of player that he is, I honestly thought, you know, the Ravens would have wrapped this up on the jump. They wouldn't even went this far. But, I mean, here we are now. You know, he's negotiating for his own contract.

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And it's, what pissed me off is when Kirk Cousins got this fully guaranteed deal a couple years ago, I thought all the quarterbacks from then on were going to be like, hey, you know, if it ain't guaranteed, I ain't taking it. Then my hones took that BS deal just 10 years and wanted to look like half a million. But if you get a half of that, fully guaranteed, everybody's happier. Everybody goes, that says president. But when he didn't set it, then John Shallon didn't set it. Now Lamar is trying to set it after Deshawn's already said it. and they're like, nah, we ain't letting that go. Yeah, I know, you know, the ownership,

they have their conversations, and they don't want to, you know, allow certain things to happen because it sets a trend going forward, you know, but, I mean, they should have thought about that when the Kirk Cousins deal came up. I mean, they should have thought about the bad boys that are coming after them,

the big dogs coming after him. You know, they didn't think about that. I mean, this is the situation, this is the bed that they made. Right. It's the bed that you made, not laying it. Like, it ain't, like, for them, for them to say nobody's interested in him. Nobody's interested in trading two first round picks. I mean, they trade in two first round picks for D-Lyman, for safeties, for everything.

And you're talking about the former MVP of the league. A lot of these teams don't got nobody at the quarterback's spot. So y'all would rather, some of them trading two first round picks to draft a kid that you don't know what are you going to be. Do you think it's because of, you know, the whole Asian situation? or do you think that has anything to do with it? I don't think so. I think they're going to use that. They're going to say that just to add more, you know what I mean?

Because they want to put that fire out. They want to stop having players represent themselves and keep, you know, solidifying the agent industry. But I don't think it has anything to do with it. I think it more has to do with these owners have gotten together, had a conversation, and said, hey, we're not giving any more guaranteed contracts. Everybody agree. We agree.

Okay, cool. So we're not even going. But the fact, no, they're not even having conversations talking about it. We're not having conversations because we just know the Baltimore Ravens are going to match it. So you're not willing to spend 15 minutes drawing it up and say, hey, oh, Baltimore, what if they don't? You've got a franchise quarterback. It's absurd. I mean, this guy, is this the guy that done everything?

You say he's kept his image clean and he just, he's bawled the hell out ever from the beginning. So it just, you know, it's just sad to see that, you know, he can't give it. what he deserved. Yeah, I don't know. It's just frustrating, but the draft's coming up. You had a crazy draft story, you know, at the Combine. I remember hearing, they said you ran in somebody else's shoes. Was that really true or was that just, you know, it's Urban Legend now? It's Urban Legend now. Actually, I let the guy use my shoes because he apparently didn't come to Cleats to the Combine. What? Yeah, right, I know, right? I'm like, I guess he wasn't planning on working out at all, But, I mean, from what I understand, most everybody, you know, got that workout at the combine.

But the guy, it's a quarterback. He wore sides 15. I happened to have a 15. And I wasn't going to do anything that whole trip. I didn't have to do anything. But the guys, I came in, wearing 240. And they was like, oh, you can't run. You can't do this.

I'm like, shoot, man. I've been putting up good times. My whole training session. So I'm about to go show these foods. I called my agent. I ain't bus, man. I need some cleats. I ain't bring nothing with me.

He sent me some cleats. And I brought him. I brought them things out there on the field, and then my man didn't have any cleats. He was about to run his tennis shoes. Just so happened, I was there, just timing-wise, and he was able to use my cleats because he wore a 15. What everybody saw was him giving me back my own cleats.

And he was the last one to run, so the guys was, like, getting all ready to run, and I'm sitting home here waiting for my cleats, so they're yelling at me to get over there. And that's what everybody saw, that transaction there. Who is this quarterback? That's what I need to know. Who is this?

I forget his name, but I think he was out of Eastern Carolina, I believe. I think he was a quarterback to Eastern Carolina. Well, I'm going out of guys. Y'all got to go back and look and find out who that is. Eastern Carolina. I'm going out of those names, so I don't put him on blast like that. Well, I mean, hopefully he did something in the league, but he wasn't no Megatron. That's for sure.

But what was the draft process like? Because like you said, you weren't planning on working out there. You know, my draft process, I had to do a jump through every hoop. They put in front of me. Hey, jump how high, brother? It was crazy. I came out after my junior year. So I went straight to Orlando, like right after, once I made the decision, you know,

packed my things, went to Orlando, trained with Tom Shaw. You know, I went there because they had a great strength and speed training program as well as, I guess, you know, I had a professional experience from coaches that played in the league. You know, you were competing against guys in the league, cornerbacks. You know, that's another thing that I saw. There's cornerbacks that I don't hear of professional and guys that are going to the league,

so I'll be able to get some good reps in. So that summed up my couple months leading up into the draft. And from that point on, went to the, I guess, the combine. And like I said, I didn't plan on doing anything. Just I was, my agent said, I don't have to do anything. You know, you're going to be a top pick. And, you know, so I would just, you know, went and did my little biometrics,

got my weight and all that stuff done. And I weighed in at 240. But I was still, I was like 5%, 6% body fat, you know, so there's like, yeah, there's no way that you can, you can move and whatnot being 240 and I went out and I ran a pretty good time. I had the combine and, you know, the rest of history. They're going to study your DNA when you do it. They're going to study your DNA. It's a couple dudes in the industry, yours, Aaron Donald's. I mean, Ray might get a look. Charles Woodson. It's going to be something. They just study. Because my goodness.

I mean, when did you know, at what point did you know you're going to Detroit? Did you ever think The Raiders will give you a shot? Honestly, I thought I was going to go to the Raiders. I had a good rapport with Coach Kifflin at the time when he was out there. I really liked Kifflin. But I think, you know, Davis, you know, RIP, he won his quarterback. You know, he wanted to throw that thing deep. He saw Marcus Russell as that.

And, you know, so I was actually, you know, I was literally getting my mind around living on the West Coast. I'm like, dang, I could be up in Oakland. I had no idea I'd be in the Midwest. I thought I was going to be on the West Coast or I was going to be in Tampa. or Atlanta. I thought those were like my three places I was that were going to end up. Detroit. Detroit.

They got you. I bet I bet the Raider fans are sitting there wishing they had gone different too. That would have been, I mean, I ain't going to lie. I don't know about the Oakland facilities that, you know, I don't remember having a good time at that stadium when we went to go playing them. But I love David's family. Man, it was garbage. It was so small, man.

Locker room was like a thousand square feet. bro, I remember seeing roaches the one time we went in there I was like, hey, bro, just keep my bags on the bus. I'm not bringing no roaches back to the house. Not doing that. I thought this was National Football League.

College lockers is better than this. Hey, man, I went by Alabama recently, man. That's the best locker room and facility I've seen college in the NFL. Right, right. Bro, they, now these kids making money. There ain't no reason to lead college. These kids are going to be doing five, six, seven years.

Can I get that seven COVID year? was going to be like, yeah, let me get that burgundy shirt. You know, I had a burgundy shirt, you know, because I was playing, but I wasn't playing playing the way out. You know what I mean? My own excuses get that new. Right. Man, I can't imagine how much you would have been making in NILs

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I mean, obviously, you're still doing primitive. Is that going good? Is that, you know, thriving? Yeah, I mean, the flower industry, you know, cannabis industry, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, It's shaky in Michigan, but we're still standing strong. Our brand and what we build out with a vertical company is still, we've been running four years. It's like a non-it's a locomotive that it doesn't stop.

But what we've done recently is, you know, we drop primitive performance, which is very exciting, man. We're just bringing those products that we use when we're professional athletes, adding plant medicine, so adding cannabinoids in it. We have T.C. and CBD versions. And just doing that to affect people's everyday inflammation. You know, everybody deals with pain. Everybody deals with inflammation, which is a pre-rearital.

precursor two pain. So I think it's a product that, you know, the everyday athlete, you know, if you're a active individual, you know, it'll definitely come in handy, you know, because we're affecting the rehydration and, and just, you know, your wellness and recovery. So, and I say I always talk about it. It's about quality of life and we're just building products surrounding that. So do you think the NFL will ever embrace it? You know, obviously they're starting to embrace alternative medicine a lot more these days.

and athletes in general are accepting and more. They're trying to find ways to get away from the opioids and things of that nature. Do you think this is the next, you know, likely impossible transition? 100%. I think you see the current climate. You know, everybody wants to put natural things in their body. You know, I think as professional athletes,

we have to, you know, think, you know, with that same kind of mind frame, you know, natural-derived things going to our body and things that are synthetic dump because we never want to get popular. You know, it's so easy. There's so many different things out here that so many different supplements out here on the market, you know.

So I think it was different about us. Obviously, we're coming with nanotechnology, so we're changing up how we're delivering the product. But we're coming from a cannabis industry, one of the most highly regulated industries in the world. And, you know, we kind of went the opposite way that you see a lot of companies go. So a lot of companies will start with CBD

because it's really low-hanging fruit. As we've been in this industry, our eyes have been open. You know, we're focused on innovation and education and continue to push the ball forward and we're able to do that with these new kind of products that we're bringing up. Economically, is it affected by the climate, the political climate, the stock market,

you know, the prices that you're able to, you know, how your business does, because there's very few industries that are insulated from, you know, the landscape and the environment of the world. Is the cannabis industry one of them? I guess in some ways it is, For outdoor growers, obviously, you have to worry about climate.

For just the industry as a whole, politics, bureaucracy, I guess more bureaucracy than anything. Politics, you know, it's kind of a snowball now. It's built up too much momentum. It's not going backwards. Cities, states are realizing the new revenue stream that's there that really wasn't there for, four, five, six years ago, you know, bringing in millions of dollars.

So there's no way that that's going backwards. really being indoor roles, you can really control what happens. But through bureaucracy, through politics, you know, depending on the supply and demand, how many operations are allowed to be open, you know, I don't really see the industry taking the hit, just more so to operators depending on how you're built. And back to the NFL, because, you know, a lot of people don't even understand about TUE's and things like that that NFL gives to certain people. if you got ADHD, you can get a TUE for Adderall or whatever prescription medication you're on.

Do you think they'll ever transition to that for marijuana or just throw? I mean, they're barely testing as is right now. So I think it's right on the edge. You know, this is an interesting thing because the NFL carries so much weight. You know, I feel like the NFL can make a move and society kind of would kind of almost follow. But yeah, they would kind of follow. But at the same time, you know, cannabis is still. schedule one. So it's still federally illegal. So I'm not sure if they're willing to move against,

you know, the federal guidelines or, you know, what the federal government is doing currently. I mean, if they were to make a statement and just to say that cannabis is make a statement of cannabis, you know, we believe in cannabis, the healing powers of the plant and we want to do more research and we're not going to test our players for it because we don't see it as a, you know, this and that, a negative thing. You know, I think like I said, that carry a lot of weight and it will push those that see it that make the decision the policymakers. They'll see that. And I think that would help push this thing over the edge.

But I go back to my beginning statement, they're not going to do anything against what the federal government does, I believe. Yeah, they're not going to risk their antitrust and all that good stuff. Their political ties, because, you know, every owner is a part of some kind of political affiliation and has friends in high places until they all see it eye to eye. I don't, or see your way for it to turn into green. You know, green always is the magic for everybody. If they start making enough money, things change. But you got any questions for me? No, man, how are you liking, how's life at the football for you?

I know you got a family and all, your podcast. How's all that going, man? I was thinking, you know, I've always had, you know, thoughts about doing podcasts, even if it's just surrounding, you know, what we're doing here in cannabis, you know, talking about sports and stuff. But, you know, how is it? It's really fun. It's really fun. It keeps you around the game.

It keeps you doing what you love, seeing it studying the game, seeing new techniques, guys evolve, guys get better, guys get worse. You know, it gives me time to spend time with my kids to hang out. I coach his basketball team. We went undefeated. That was fun. Now we're going into track. And so it's fun.

I enjoy it. I enjoy the game still. I enjoy being around it, you know, having conversations with the next generation. Speaking of that. have you ever thought about doing like a receivers like retreat like the because the D-line does the you know pass rush summit um we tried to do one but dbs are so finicky um and i'm sure receivers are just as finicky and i mean we only had like we invited like 15 and like four showed up five showed up but i think you know something like that would be really cool with that if that ever

came together and and you know guys you know the best players playing right now so they're the best to ever play and just sitting there giving guys the game because I don't think enough of that happens these days. I mean, guys are getting better. Guys are improving, but the Delta, you know, the gap between the really good guys and the next guy is really, you know, it's great. And I think, you know, you're always looking to close that and information, knowledge, technique can always help that. Have you ever thought about starting something like that? Obviously, you're busy with primitive, but got a lot to offer. Definitely, you know, other than what I do with my foundation, camp-wise and that, you know, that's all.

But I do want to just, I mean, because you mentioned, I've been always wanting to, you know, get with, you know, I know Champ Bailey's in Atlanta and guys like that, really receivers and DBs and get together and do something exactly what you're talking about, you know, likes of yourself, you know. I think, like you said, there's so much to be that we can pour into to the younger generation and we can do it on a large scale as well,

especially with the names tied to us. So I'm not sure if that's something you're talking about, but definitely that's up of interest. Just like I said, I just lack the time to get all that stuff coordinated. I need to hire me a new assistant. Look at you. Thinking in real time. I did have another question for you.

Talking about sports and kids, man. What, like, I hate the climate right now. I hate to use the hate. But I dislike a climate where, TAS are playing like AAU or playing certain sports just year round now

you know they might be playing football it's crazy I heard they're playing football year around now don't make no sense but I don't and my thought

my process my thinking is like I play all sports you know I was able to gain tools from all different sports baseball I gained a lot from

you know I mean basketball what have you and I just feel like you know it just helps build a rail more well-rounded athlete

So when that time comes when you are in high school, if you do want to go to college, you do want to play a sport, it will make it easier to kind of define your niche. You know, if you're well-rounded, kind of growing up versus just this kid just plays baseball all year-round and baseball don't work out. You know, there's nothing else to fall back on

because you don't have any other experiences. Right. I'm just not saying that everybody got to be an athlete, but I definitely, I mean, my kids can play team sports. I definitely see the value in that. And if they want to make a career out of it, so it would be it. Yeah. I'm totally in agreement with you.

I don't play that. I don't like that. I actually dislike it fully. You know, if it's in association with other sports, like, hey, you practice for basketball on Monday,

Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, and you can go to a practice for football on Thursday. Cool. Good job. You know, but this basketball season,

you know what I mean, you can still go work out with your buddies, if that's what you want to do. But saying one sport, year around, we're going to put all our eggs in one basket in general,

just don't make sense to me. You know, it don't make sense. in life. It don't make sense in business. It don't make sense in how I'm raising my kids. I mean, my son plays piano. He plays sports, plays football, basketball, soccer, runs track. Like, we're going to try at all. And if you fall in love with something, we'll specialize in that a little bit. Right, right. No, 100. 100. That's good. What else I have? What else

I want to ask you? This is your first year? Was this your second year doing the commentator. This was my first. This is my first year. I think you did real good at that. I appreciate that. Yeah, I think that's always was, that was what I wanted to do if I didn't, you know,

if I didn't play in the league and didn't, you know, get no time in the league. I was going to pursue that angle and hopefully get a nice gig and work my way up. And thankfully, it played the game long enough at a high enough level that they gave me a chance to do it after. And like I said, it's fun. You get to go into stadiums.

The only weird part is when you, you leave, you didn't win or lose. You know, that's the weird part of leaving the stadium. You're like, you're getting the bus. You're like, all right, that was cool. I'm not going to do right now. Right, right. What am I supposed to do with myself?

And getting ready for the games, like, you so used to being locked in on game day. Like, man, we got, we got a game at 830, like, I'm locked in, get my breakfast, got my routine. When you don't got to play, it's just like, all right, so y'all want to go get coffee or something? I guess we can chill to the game. You know, it's just different, but we got a good team with Fitz and Witt and Tony and Carissa and Michael and Taylor and, you know, all the people we got. So if they want to continue it long term, I think I got a three-year deal right now, but if they want to continue a long term, I'd love to. Hey, yeah. No, I remember, you know, I played with Nate Burleson, and I always like, when we're playing, I'm just like, man, well, let's do it.

But he's going to go do something on TV. I'm just saying, I'm looking, I'm like, he's just too, he's just too good with Pete. He just speaks well. He kind of, you're the same way. So, I mean, just keep it up, man. Because I say, I just remember him taking all these different, doing all these different things. And he just built so many connections, man.

It's great to see him doing this thing. I appreciate that. It means a lot coming from you. What's next? What's outside of primitive that you got going that you're excited about? Let's see. Right now, we're trying to, we got some of new company

in the works, you know, thinking about, you know, going into the insurance arena. Before I was a player, before I came into some wealth, didn't know life insurance was accessible for those without it. You know, what I'm learning is that, you know, there are all these companies, all these providers. You know, life insurance is attainable for everybody. And I think it's so important just to be able to, you know,

maybe, you know, put a little bit away here for on the back end, you know, if you pass away, you don't leave that burden on your family. And then you can do it as an investment as well. So there's a lot of different ways to look at it. That's something new that that's on the horizon for us. But more near term, just getting inside of this foundation. The events are starting about to come up in the spring and summertime. Got my first annual golf out in this year, right?

Michigan. So I don't know if you're golfing yet, but if you want to come up, I'll shoot your invite out. I appreciate the invite. I'm pretty terrible right now. But if I have a growth spurt in my game, I'll be right out there to show. It just starts with a lesson. Believe me, I played for like, you know, five, six years with some clubs before I actually got an actual lesson, bro.

And then when I actually got a lesson, everything I taught myself and learned and throw it out the window. All that bad muscle memory, man, out the window. Oh, man. Well, I might have to start that way because right now I didn't swung it a few times. We got a little, one of my ex-teammates, he built a golf facility, you know, and they got the simulators and every. I swung it a few times, and that ball, like it got some magic to it. I said, okay, that ain't right, so I got to work on that.

Yeah, yes, sir. It's a game that we love, just because it's so hard to, it's so hard to perfect, so hard to get right with that. A couple shots you hit around, we're like, all right, that's what keep me coming back right there. Right, right, right. Just do that one more. And they say you don't got to swing it that hard.

You just got to find that perfect, like, little gruel. Find your momentum, find your swing, get you cadence right, and it's just contact. Everything is contact. You see an old man out hit you. His swing is probably like 70 miles an hour, and you ever swing in like 100 plus, and he hit it just as far but straighter. And I'm like, man, I'm like, dude, all this long is just the contact. He hit it on a sweet spot.

Right. Oh, what wisdom? Yeah, man. Yes, sir. But I appreciate you always, brother, joining me, and I look forward to having many more conversations in a future, hopefully primitive continues to evolve, and the NFL accepts it,

and the players start to find other ways to deal with the inflammation and pain that you deal with throughout the season because that's a guarantee in our game. You know that. 100%, man. I don't know if we got you a sample boss out. We'll get you a sample boss out, man.

I think you enjoyed it. Primitive Performance.com, man. It's a solid, very solid product. We're getting some good reviews on people that have tried it out so far. Sounds good. Sounds good. I'll be looking for that in the mail. Yes, sir.

Yes, sir. You'd be well. You too. You too. Talk to you next time. I appreciate it. The volume. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite.

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