The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Richard Sherman Podcast - NFL Week 18 Reaction: Lions-Packers, Rams-Seahawks, Cardinals-49ers, Patriots-Bills

Episode Date: January 9, 2023

Richard Sherman reacts to NFL's Week 18 regular season finale. Richard's former teams, the San Francisco 49ers and the Seattle Seahawks, both made the playoffs and will face each other in the Wild Car...d round, but what did he make of their performances to close out the regular season? What's Richard's take on the Detroit Lions playing spoiler to Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers? And in Buffalo, the Bills kept the Patriots out of the NFL playoffs thanks to a storybook opening kickoff return for a TD on the first play since Damar Hamlin's injury. #volume #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:05 The volume. Welcome back to the Richard Sherman podcast. It's that time of the year. It's not Christmas. It's the playoffs. It certainly is, Rich. We got a playoff atmosphere across a few games. I mean, week 18, we kind of expected a lot of games to be meaningless,
Starting point is 00:02:27 but there were certainly some with some meaning. Let's start in Seattle, Rich. That game came right. down to the wire and OT. What are your thoughts on the Seattle Seahawks coming away with the victory? Well, it was a had to have a game and they got it by the skin of their chins. They had to have it. Gino performed well, really emotional after the game. Their futures were still up in the air. Who knows it's the season's over if the season's not over. Gino broke a number of Seattle Seahawks records, completions, attempts, yards, completion percentage, 70% all franchise records for
Starting point is 00:03:01 Gino Smith in his first year as a full-time starter. Huge for him. Huge for the Seattle Seahawks because the Detroit Lions showed up, even though they got eliminated. That was just the weirdest dynamic of I've ever seen in playoff football. Why do you think the NFL did it like that? I mean, in theory, it would have made more sense to have all teams playing at the same time, but they had the Ram Seahawks kick first and then the Lions Packers go in the evening.
Starting point is 00:03:28 Why would you do it like that? Because there was no other way to put a relevant playoff game after that. You know, there would have been no other relevant playoff games with implications after that outside of that. You would have put what Brown Steelers or something after that. People would have just been watching two teams with no chance to go to the playoffs. And the ratings would have been bottom dweller. At least people watched this game all the way through because it had implications.
Starting point is 00:03:51 If Green Bay won, if Detroit and it was a competitive game, it was a smart decision about a league. Yeah, certainly was. I mean, I certainly did not expect the race. Rams put up that big of a fight, but you know better than I do, these division rivalries, people get up for games that are so meaningless. Why was this game competitive in the first place, Rich? It was competitive because, I mean, it's NFL, any given Sunday. You know how that goes.
Starting point is 00:04:18 Any given Sunday, every team is going to compete. Every team is going to give their best, and that's what happened. In Green Bay, I mean, Detroit's playing with a lot of pride for a lot of pride. You know, Dan Campbell got those boys fired up. You know, and it's a division opponent. I think that was another smart move by the NFL is making the last games, the last two games of the season, always division games. Because you know those opponents the best, you know those teams the best,
Starting point is 00:04:41 and you know you're going to fight like hell regardless of if you're in the playoffs or not. I mean, the Rams were out of it beyond elimination. Don't even have a draft pick. But they gave Seattle all they could handle just because it's a division opponent. You know them well. Jalen Ramsey played a heck of a game in that ball game. It was crazy. he saw a little bit of a homecoming with Bobby Wagner coming back to Seattle and Jalen Ramsey
Starting point is 00:05:04 had a hell of a game. And then once Seattle pulls it off an OT, all eyes are on Detroit and the Packers. I mean, everyone up in Seattle is hashtag in one pride rooting for the Lions more than than any other city outside of Detroit. And Detroit goes on the road into a hostile environment and a need to have a game for Aaron Rogers and Detroit wins it. I mean, this Dan Campbell to me is a Detroit or has changed the identity of this organization tenfold. I don't think the vibes are just different here in Detroit, Rich. They had absolutely nothing to play for, and they came out and got the dub. I mean, talk to me a little bit about the Lions.
Starting point is 00:05:41 Talk to me a little bit about Aaron Rogers, what may be going through his head right now. I mean, it's really cool for the Lions. I mean, they're establishing winning culture. They're establishing how to win, how to show up and expect to win, how to go to Lambo, which they, you know, they hadn't won in Lambo in a long time. I think that's only the second loss in December for Green Bay since LaFleur has been the coach. So that's insane right there. They came in there.
Starting point is 00:06:06 And that's big for going into next year. I would expect them to be favored to win that division going into next year with how they've played. And hopefully they're able to get a few free agents and retool, get a few draft picks. But they look really good. It's really impressive because people were calling for Darren Campbell's job at one point. You know, they were, I think they were one in seven. and they go, what, seven and one down the stretch? That's insane.
Starting point is 00:06:30 Seven and one down the stretch. I mean, only coach ever got fired after seven and one was Flores, and he's still in the league now. So it's something to be proud of. Well, Rich, I mean, you obviously played in this league a long time, and a lot of these games have zero meaning into fans like myself and to people that play fantasy football, and the fans down in Houston and Indianapolis that are watching for draft picks. And we saw a game, a relatively meaningless game where Houston plays himself out of the number one overall pick. Any given Sunday, I know you guys are competitors, you're paid professional athletes, but why?
Starting point is 00:07:04 Like, why is there this itching desire to win when literally it only hurts your team's draft capital? Well, you know what? I respect Levi-Smith because he was going to go out there and give it all he got. But the Houston Texans are a joke of a franchise. I mean, McNair should be ashamed of itself. It's just been, it's tiring to see, you know, them. You didn't give him anything to work with. You know, that's like, that's like somebody going into the, the, the Indy 500 with the Prius and be like, oh, you didn't win it?
Starting point is 00:07:32 Huh, I wonder why. Oh, my God. It's your fault. It's not, it's not the car's fault. It's the driver's fault. Like, one of the worst rosters in the league, you traded away all his best players. There's not a ton of talent on that roster. You couldn't expect it any success.
Starting point is 00:07:48 It's almost like you set him up for failure. He's a fall guy. And they got a fall guy, and now they'll hire the coach they want to hire, who'll get a quarterback with the number two pick, a young quarterback, a young up-and-coming, they'll pay some free agents, they got a lot of kept space. But it's just, it's just dumb, you know, and it's dumb to even hire Lovie for what reason, you know, other than to just fire him a year later. There was nothing he could have done.
Starting point is 00:08:11 I mean, they were competitive in just about every ball game. They were in games. They shouldn't have been. They were almost beat teams. They shouldn't have had any reason to be in the game with the entire time. wanted a high draft pick. So it wasn't like they wanted to win those games necessarily. They did what they needed to do to rebuild this franchise. And then you fired the coach. It's like, but that's why teams like that stay at the bottom. And I hope they, I hope they never win a Super Bowl
Starting point is 00:08:33 and never do anything well. I mean, because they don't deserve it. Well, let's stay in the AFC South, Rich. I mean, we saw actually a pretty competitive game on Saturday night. And for a long moment there, thought the Tennessee Titans were going to come away with the dub. Jacksonville Jaguars come out with the win. This team looks, team looks like a team on the rise. Do you think that they have what it takes to make any sort of noise in this postseason? No, no, because they have to play the juggernauts. You know, they have to play the Buffalo Bills and they're playing some of their best football. But it is a cool story, you know, for Doug Peterson, you know, with all the turmoil that the Jacksonville
Starting point is 00:09:09 Jaguars were in, you know, Trevor Lawrence, people were, you know, questioning whether, you know, he was going to be a bust, you know, obviously it's the modern age where you don't play well in 15 games, 16 games, it's over for. And he continued to fight. Doug Peterson deserves a ton of credit for the staff he put together. They did a great job defensively down the stretch. So that's something that's been really cool to see. The last three games, they've been really stout defensively.
Starting point is 00:09:36 And, I mean, it's a cool story because, I mean, you weren't expecting this. You weren't expecting Jacksonville Jaguars to win the AFC South. It's a cool story. I don't think they can go to Buffalo and do any kind of damage, but crazier things have happened. I want to stick with the Jags real quick here because this was a team that spent a lot of money in the offseason. One of which was on their wide receiving core. I mean, they invested a ton of money into Christian Kirk and to Zay Jones. And a lot of people were laughing when they did so.
Starting point is 00:10:02 And now it's starting to really all make sense. You know, Rich, but one of the things I think that gets lost at the tail end of the season is these player incentive bonuses. And Christian Kirk received, I think it was a million bucks this last week and getting a couple catches in a, you know, close to 100 yards. What is that like going into the final week being on a team where you have a player that is that close to player incentive bonuses? Is that something that's on everyone's mind? I don't know if it's on everyone's mind,
Starting point is 00:10:32 but I think a lot of times a good coach it's on his mind, especially in a game that you can get it done for him. I think they want to get it done, and it's really cool when they do get it done. You know, obviously they're not going to compromise the well-being of the team and the overall product, you know, to get something like that done. but if they can get it done, they will. I remember the Seattle Seahawks.
Starting point is 00:10:51 There was a receiver that was like a catch-away from a bonus, and they were winning a game, and it was a time where they should just be running the clock, and they did like a little one of them forward pitch passes, you know, no risk pass. That's really like a run, but it counts as a reception, and got him his bonus. And, you know, it's really cool when two teams get,
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Starting point is 00:13:51 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's go up to Buffalo. We saw the NFL community and the world in general, I think kind of at a standstill last Monday night when DeMar Hamlin went down. And the whole NFL community, whole sports community rallied around him. And then Buffalo opening kickoff to the house.
Starting point is 00:14:14 Buffalo kind of looked a little lethargic at times this game, but they ended up taken to the Pats. Your thoughts on the Buffalo Bills and what they were able to accomplish in this very, very difficult week for their city and organization. Oh, it was outstanding. I mean, it was storybook, Hollywood, start to that game. I mean, there's no way you, I don't know, I don't think Belichick has ever had the opening kickoff of any game run back on his team.
Starting point is 00:14:38 You know, they're too well coached. They're too disciplined. And for that to happen, for the Buffalo Bills, after a tough week like it's been, was outstanding. I mean, it lifted a lot of spirits. I think all eyes were on that game for obvious reasons. It was a beautiful moment. And then they went out and played well. You know, Josh Allen, it's still still concerning with those red zone interceptions. That's where he threw one to Devin McCordy, another red zone interception. And I want to say that's like nine on the year. And that's, that's been his Achilles heel all season long. He didn't play the greatest game. You know,
Starting point is 00:15:09 he obviously threw some incredible, you know, highlight real passes. But those reds, Red zone interceptions, when you get to the playoffs, every, every possession, every drive is worth something. And you can't have those plays. You can't force them in. You can't, and you can't play scared. So it's not like he can just change the way he's playing now. So that's just something to look out for later on down the line.
Starting point is 00:15:29 But it's really cool, man. I think we saw the best parts of humanity when everything happened. The injury happened. When DeMarre went down and, you know, it's really cool, you know, because in this day and age, with social media. I mean, you see the ugliest sides. You know, you see so much division, so much separation, so much, so much angst and anger and arguing. And I think for a moment in time, you know, you know, fans of different teams, people of different races, religions, everything, for one moment came together and said, hey, this young man, this young man needs our prayers,
Starting point is 00:16:04 he needs our thoughts, he needs our help. He needs our spirit to be with him and lift him up. This game needs us. These kids that played in the game need us. And the world needs us. And it was really cool to see. I think, I mean, to be early in the year, you know, it's been a long time since we saw a beautiful moment, that unifying for that many people. And we needed it. We needed it. And thank goodness, he's okay. And he's up and about. He has all his neurological function. He's breathing good. His lungs are healing. And they raised a ton of money for him. That was also cool. It is unbelievable. I mean, we know the Bill's Mafia, but my goodness, man. I mean, 10 million bucks almost to his charity that is unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:16:45 And like you said, Rich, to show the unity throughout, you know, throughout entire country, across sports, across all sports for DeMarne, is absolutely exceptional. It did leave the NFL with a tricky, you know, scheduling proposition going into the end of the final, you know, couple weeks and into the playoffs. You think they handled it properly in terms of having the neutral site if the Bills and Chiefs, a reached EFC championship game? Like everybody else said, there's no perfect dancer for it. I mean, they did the best they could.
Starting point is 00:17:15 It's fine. You know, it's fine. It hopefully won't come down to anything like that. And I don't think it'll have an effect on the game. You know, I think they did what they had to do in a really unique situation to make all parties happy and not to not to ruffle too many feathers. You know, people, you know, you saw suggestions about an eighth game or eighth team being in the playoffs. And that's, no, now that would have been insane. That would have been insane.
Starting point is 00:17:41 That would have changed the whole dynamic. You mess around and get a scenario like that and your Detroit Lions get in. And they somehow beat the Philadelphia Eagles. People would be in an uproar. People would be ready to flip the league. And they do it too, Rich. Come on. They would have done it, Mitchell.
Starting point is 00:17:58 They would have done it. They could have. The Philadelphia Eagles look very vulnerable. They were in a dog fight with some third string, you know, New York Giants players. You know, they didn't even play Daniel Jones. They didn't play their starters. And Philadelphia pulled out. the game, but they won it by less than a touchdown.
Starting point is 00:18:13 And that's a bit concerning. Now, obviously, Jalen Hertz's first game back, but if you would have got a hungry Detroit team with no Jalen Hertz rest, not a week of extra rest, nothing, no Lane Johnson, I mean, crazier things have happened, but, so I'm glad they didn't do that scenario
Starting point is 00:18:28 because that would have been chaotic and crazy. But I think they did the best under, under, with all things considered, they did a pretty good job. Well, there was some other teams watching scoreboards, at the same time, we had the Steelers vying for a potential playoff bid, needing a loss with the Patriots and the Miami Dolphins. And then the Miami Dolphins simply needing a loss of the Patriots. Miami snuck in.
Starting point is 00:18:54 Sneaking in is an understatement. They won 11 to 6. I don't even know how you score 11 points in a professional football game, but they did it. Your thoughts on Miami. I know you love the JETs, Jets, Jets, Jets, but your thoughts on the dolphins, Rich. I don't think Toole will see the field again this season, so I don't think there's much to talk about in this situation. I think their defense played well. I think the Jets have a lot of questions to answer.
Starting point is 00:19:19 People are calling for Mike LaFleur's job. I don't think that's the problem. I think they're too banged up on the offensive line. They'll get Metcom back or Beckton back, and they'll get healthier. They'll get some more free agents. They're up-and-comit team. They'll figure the quarterback situation out, and they'll be a better team next year. Breeze Hall will be back.
Starting point is 00:19:37 they'll be a very dangerous team in that division. But the Miami Dolphins are, you know, a really cool story. Mike McDaniel in his first year, taking them to the playoffs is really cool. It's kind of similar to the Jacksonville situation, you know, being able to take them to the playoffs and guide them. And it's been a really cool story, but I think they're going home. You know, I don't think they have a chance to win without Tua. Now, if Tua could somehow come back, which I highly, highly, highly, highly doubt,
Starting point is 00:20:04 maybe there be something there. but without him, I just don't see it happen. No, no question. I mean, at the beginning of the season, did you really think Mike McDaniel had a shot at taking this team to the playoffs, Rich? Well, I didn't believe in Tua, you know, and he, you know, I got to give him all credit in the world.
Starting point is 00:20:22 He's played outstanding. I mean, he ended up leading the league and pass a rating. I want to say he was up there in completion percentage, and I knew Mike McDaniel was very creative offense to mine. I knew he could get it done. I knew he could draw it up. I knew if he got a run game they'd be really special
Starting point is 00:20:37 I knew defensively Miami is running at zero scheme so you know in any giving game is feast or famine so they could go blow some plays up and create a lot of turnovers or they can go
Starting point is 00:20:47 be 30 second in the league you know because they're just giving up a lot of explosives but they had the personnel to do it they traded for Bradley Chub to help him out
Starting point is 00:20:57 in the future so they did they did everything they needed to do but I couldn't have foresaw him doing exactly what he did well Richard the one team that was unfortunately on the wrong side of this was the Pittsburgh Steelers. And with this win by the Miami Dolphins, they were knocked out of a playoff contention.
Starting point is 00:21:16 But the Steelers are an interesting team in the standpoint that we wrote them off. And I mean, once T.J. Watt went down. Once they were having their issues with the quarterback, we wrote them off. And Rich, they, they, I don't know what happened, but they just started winning games, winning games. How does this happen? Mike Tomlin may still get Coach of the Year without being in the playoffs. I mean, because for 16 straight years now, I mean, this one, this one, this one is the one that he deserves playing at Coach of the Year for because there's no way in it.
Starting point is 00:21:47 There's no way they should have ever been in contention for any kind of winning record. I mean, they were three and seven at one point, I think. And like, and you're telling me they made it all the way back to a winning record from that. I think they went six in one down the stretch. Like, not with Ben Rothensberger, because every time they're like, oh, well, he's had Ben Rothesberger, no. It was Kenny Pickett, you know, it was Mitch Trubisky, Najee Harris, you know, pickings, like very inconsistent.
Starting point is 00:22:17 T.J. Watt was injured the majority of the year. Like, it was a great coaching job, managing men, leader of men. I don't think their defense gave up 20 points over the last seven games. Like, he's a Hall of Famer. He's a Hall of Fame coach, you know. I mean, just to not have a losing record over 16 years, Belichick gets a lot of credit. He had Brady.
Starting point is 00:22:38 Tomlin had, had, I mean, he had Rothensburg. Rothensburg is by no means Brady, and he has never had a losing record. Like, that's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. I think the one factor in this, though, is once T.J. Watt went out to start the season, they were slow.
Starting point is 00:22:54 And I know you love you some Nicholas John Bosa, Rich. But when this guy comes back in T.J. Watt, and they go on a run like they did and all of a sudden this defense is looking like a top tier defense in this league and they're winning game after game after game how was he not in that conversation as well? What conversation?
Starting point is 00:23:14 For defensive player of the year. TJ what? I mean, as a game changer, Rich. How is this guy like... Medro, you don't... He played five games, six games. That's why. You don't get just getting a conversation.
Starting point is 00:23:28 That's like putting Purdy in the rookie of the year conversation. You don't get in there six games. Like, I mean, I couldn't believe he got, I think he got the Pro Bowl. Like, that's kind of a slap in the face, you know, I mean, for the guys who've played the whole season, like, impact player, all that, congratulations. But six games, no. Like, there's dudes out there that's been grinding every week, week eight and week out. And for you, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:23:52 That's a story for a different day. Fair, fair enough, you know. But let's keep it in the family a little bit. His brother, JJ Watt, and we'll talk about your Niners because we'll. have to. His brother, J.J. Watt, is retiring now, and the Cardinals, unfortunately, had to go out and give him his farewell tour against your 49ers. Brock Purdy, Rich. Brock Purdy and the Niners look very, very, very much so for real. This is no, you know, new event that is occurring. But when you go and slap 38 points on the board, you're just super nonchalant and win, what,
Starting point is 00:24:25 is it a fifth game in a row for Brock now? What's going to stop the 49ers? That's a great question. I don't know. They need to show up that run game. I mean, run defense, though. That's one thing. Diomador Lenore is going to have to grow up really fast in these playoffs, you know, because he's had a rough couple goals at it. You know, Devonte, anybody would have had a rough go at it. But this week, the big play to AJ Green early in the game is to play, you know, people are going to take shots. and Tashon Gibson, Gip is playing some of his best football, man. He's played well for a long time, and I know he's a little older now, but he got a lot of picks under his belt.
Starting point is 00:25:05 And it's just he's in rhythm right now. I knew I called it when Jimmy Ward came back. I said they would keep him in Tala Noah Hufanga together, and I knew that they would keep working well, and Jimmy would be on a nickel. They'd get their best 11 out there. And two interceptions in this game were huge. But it was really cool.
Starting point is 00:25:24 cool to see JJ, you know, two sacks in his final game. He's calling it to quits. He's about to be a dad, class of 2011, another class of 2011 alumni. And it's really cool to see. He's a hall of famer. He'll get his gold jacket in five years. And hopefully I'll be at the ceremony. Well, Richard, in this game, and this is a rare stat, but we're going to call it, Brock Purdy is the second highest pass rating through five career at QB starts behind only Kurt Warner. I don't frankly know how that's even possible. But God bless him. Some people are just ready for the moment, and he was ready. I mean, they've averaged 30 points a game since Christian McCaffrey was acquired.
Starting point is 00:26:00 I mean, excluding the Kansas City game because he was off of two days. So outside of that game, they're 10 and 0 since then, averaging 30 points a game. Like, he's made a huge difference. And they gave Debo a few reps. He was on a pitch count this week, but gave him some reps, got him in there, got him contact, you know, because you need that going into the playoffs. But the way they were using Elijah Mitchell, Christian McCaffrey, Jordan Mason, and Joanne Jennings, Brandon Ayyuk went for 1,000 yards.
Starting point is 00:26:25 You know, you heard everything coming into camp. Brandon Ayuk is going to be go off this year. Brandon Ayuk, Brandon Ayuk, and he was really very steady the entire year. Stayed healthy, was consistent through all three quarterbacks. You know, he ate with all three quarterbacks. Obviously, Trey Lance only played two games, but he was a steady part of the ship and Nicholas John Bosa. Now, they won't let you bet on it no more. Mitchell, they won't let you bet.
Starting point is 00:26:50 Like, I'd put my life savings on it. Well, you would have been right from week one, Rich. You would have been right from week one of the preseason because that's how long you've been tooting it. You know, that's, you've been, you've been spot on with a lot. And that's, we got to do a recap session of some of our callouts because I don't want to brag, but I called Tony Pollard. You did.
Starting point is 00:27:11 You called Nicholas John Bosa. We had some other good callouts throughout the year. And I'm sure the rest of this postseason, we're going to have ample opportunity to make some predictions. But Rich, I'm going to ask. you one more difficult question, and then we'll sign this thing off. But if you were still a member of the San Francisco 49ers going into the wildcar weekend, which of the three teams would you have most wanted to see as your opponent? The Seattle Seahawks, the Detroit Lions, or the Green Bay Packers?
Starting point is 00:27:42 Probably Seattle. Just because you know him so well, a division opponent, you know what you're going to get. I feel like Kyle has a plan for them. You know, I just feel like it'd be a good game. You know, those Green Bay would have been fine because Green Bay just doesn't deal with San Francisco well in the playoffs, regardless of where the game is. I mean, you're going all the way back to Kaepernick, going to Green Bay, going to Lambo and running for 200 or something crazy and taking a win when he took to San Francisco 49ers to the Super Bowl that year to last year when they went to Lambo and got the win on their way to the NFC championship game. 2019, we took them behind the woodshed.
Starting point is 00:28:16 So, you know, it's just not, it's just not, Green Bay doesn't have a good track record playing the 49ers in the playoffs. So that would have been fine. But Detroit, Detroit is just nasty, gritty, grimy, and they're going to get it done. Their offensive line is way better than you think. Their defensive line is way better than you think. They're young and a secondary. They're too young to know any better. They got a good running.
Starting point is 00:28:38 They got two good backs. Swift is back. They got a good receiving core. And the more they get James involved, like, the more healthy he gets, they're going to be even more dangerous. Jared Golf is an above average starting quarterback. And he showed that this year. He showed it.
Starting point is 00:28:53 I think he's top five in yards now. And it was, I mean, it was a good year for him. I never thought I'd see that or hear that, Rich. Well, we're going to have an active week here on this podcast. I know we've got a couple big time guests,
Starting point is 00:29:05 and then we're going to do a little playoff preview. But Rich, I'll let you sign us off as we conclude the regular season. Well, thank you very much this year for rocking with us, for hanging with us, for being here. I know we're not always right.
Starting point is 00:29:17 We are a good amount of times. And we appreciate your time. your diligence. You could be anywhere in the world, but you're here with me and Mitch Eisenstein, and we appreciate it. If this is your first time,
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