The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Richard Sherman Podcast - NFL Week 2: 49ers SHOCKED by Vikings, Seahawks 2-0, Chiefs escape Bengals

Episode Date: September 16, 2024

Richard Sherman reacts to Week 2 of the 2024 NFL season. Brock Purdy and the San Francisco 49ers were knocked down to 1-1 after a shocking upset loss to the Minnesota Vikings. Will the Niners be able ...to right the ship with Jordan Mason filling in for Christian McCaffrey, who was put on IR and expected to miss at least 4 games? The Seattle Seahawks took control of the NFC West with an overtime victory over the New England Patriots, as Geno Smith fed DK Metcalf and the emerging Jaxon Smith-Njigba to lead the Seahawks to a 2-0 start. Richard also reacts to Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs narrowly edging out Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals, the Detroit Lions dropping to 1-1 with a loss to Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens starting the season 0-2 with a surprising defeat to the Las Vegas Raiders, and Dak Prescott's Dallas Cowboys getting blown out by the New Orleans Saints. #volume #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:04:39 All right, man. That's going on here. Welcome back to the Richard Sherman podcast. Another week. Another chaotic week in the NFL, especially with our early games. Mitchell, some upsets. Oh, Dolly. Richard, this week was one of those weeks that proved the NFL is the NFL.
Starting point is 00:05:03 You can look at the slate. you think, hey, this is an easy win, this is an easy win, this is an easy win, this is an easy win, that's not the case. Richard, let's start with Seattle. They're going on the road against New England, an easy win, right? There's no such thing as an easy win in National Football League, a very tough environment, a 10 a.m. start, which is always tough for West Coast teams, but they talked about it in the pregame. Pete Carroll started this.
Starting point is 00:05:34 hey, if it's the 10 a.m. start, we're getting there Friday. We're getting there late Friday. We're staying there all day Saturday, getting adjusted, doing a walkthrough, and then we're playing on Sunday. And they're continuing that tradition with Mike McDonald. And it seemed to have helped this team. That defensive line, Boye-Mafé is a player. Thank goodness he came out of this game, relatively unscathed. I think he said, a knee contusion or a thigh contusion, which is fine. but the story of this game is again, Gino! Gino Smith goes out there and puts on a clinic passing a football.
Starting point is 00:06:10 If it wasn't for about five or six drops in this game, Mitchell, he might have had 400 yards. And this game might not have been as close as it was at the end, but it was a nail-biter at the end, thanks to a Julian Love block field goal, a 48-yard field goal, which could have pretty much iced the game for the New England Patriots.
Starting point is 00:06:32 and won him the game. He blocked that huge play in the game. The offense goes down, drives the length of the field, gets the field goal, takes it into O.T. The defense does their thing, and then, Gino, takes them right down the field, into field goal range, and the rest is history, as they say. Zach Charbonnet had a solid game on the ground.
Starting point is 00:06:53 Wasn't great, but had some very key receptions throughout the game. But the story, there were, I mean, D.K. Met have 10 for 129 and a touchdown. But JSN, 12 catches for 117, no TDs, but Gino was out there distributing. Dissing the ball out. The defense played solid in spurts. They got to Jacoby Brissette a lot more than the stat book would show. They could not get him to the ground, a very strong quarterback, very poised in the pocket,
Starting point is 00:07:25 very patient. And he really made the defense pay when they missed him. And they had him a couple of times, Mitchell. They had him, had him dead to rights. And you got to give Mike McDonnell a lot of credit for drawing up these blitzes, but these guys got to get home. But it turned out that it did not matter because Gino was better on this day than Jacobi Brissette and the New England Patriots.
Starting point is 00:07:47 He really played well, especially down a stretch, another game winning drive for Gino Smith and a Seattle Seahawks. And Mitchell, right now, they're alone atop the NFC West standings with the San Francisco 49ers losing. this week to the Minnesota Vikings, and we'll get to that game in a second. But it's going to be a cool little deal right now because the Miami Dolphins come limping into Seattle, into Lumen Field with Schuyler Thompson at quarterback to a tongue of I low, obviously out with a concussion.
Starting point is 00:08:18 We all sat there Thursday night praying for him and his family. Seems to be okay. We don't know what the outcome of that whole situation is going to be. Likely they're going to, I think they likely put him on IR. But we have no idea, but it looks like Scholar Thompson will be coming to Seattle to play against the Seattle Sea Hawks. Obviously, they still got Tyree Kiel. They still got Jalen Wattle. They still got playmakers all over the field.
Starting point is 00:08:41 But that's a devastating blow for that team coming into a very hostile environment. The 12s are going to be even more hype. They see hope in their team. New coach, rookie coach starting 2 and O, has their team playing inspired football. The quarterback is playing really, really good football. they're sitting atop their division. I mean, you couldn't feel better about to start to this season for the Seattle Seahawks have already gone through some adversity.
Starting point is 00:09:06 Mitchell, they're feeling good. Richard, Richard, I'll say this. Going to the season, the next level up for Seattle was adding another offensive component. We knew Mike McDonald was going to bring a new look to that defense, but JSN, Richard, J. JSM was this untapped potential with the team. We saw it today.
Starting point is 00:09:33 12 receptions of 117 yards. It doesn't get much better than that. This team, if they can level up offensively, Richard, they're going to win next week, right? Mitchell, I don't guarantee any wins, Mitchell. I understand that. They're going to win next week. I don't know what you want to bet on that.
Starting point is 00:09:53 They are going to win next week, and they're going to look at Detroit Lions in the eyes at 3 and O on Monday night football. Richard, this team right here, we already talked about it. The hype is real with this team. If they can get JSN involved, look out. The Seattle Seahawks, 3 and O next week. I'm calling it already, Richard.
Starting point is 00:10:15 Well, Mitchell, I hope so. Obviously, Tyler Lockett was also involved in this game, had a crucial pass interference call on him late in the game during a game time drive, had another critical reception in overtime, still making an impact, had a huge game last week to help them get the win. This team is going to be fun to watch for a long time. It looks like they have the pieces in place, even when the defense doesn't play as well as they want to.
Starting point is 00:10:42 But you got to give a lot of credit to Leonard Williams because he had a sack and a half, but the stat sheet does not do justice to the impact that he had on this ball game. he was creating causing havoc on the D-line all day. Byron Murphy as well, it had impact. He only had a sack and a half, I mean a half a sack, but he was also creating chaos, trying to limit Ramandre Stevenson all day. He still had a solid game,
Starting point is 00:11:13 but those were tough yards that they forced him to get the Patriots to go to the Jets. This Thursday on Prime Video at 7 p.m. We'll be there in New York. Mitchell, I'm getting my freaking flyer mouths. That's for sure. I know you are. I know you are. Thursday night football is on, and it's only on prime video.
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Starting point is 00:12:03 on Thursday night football, and it's on fine video. Restrictions apply. See amazon.com for slash Amazon Prime for details. Let's stick with the NFC West. I know you got one side of the fence that you're happy with, the other side of the fence, not so much.
Starting point is 00:12:22 This is the life you live, being a 49er and a Seahawk fan, if you will. Richard, the San Francisco 49ers, go to the Vikings and lose. Take the L, 23 to 17. Let's switch the cap. Richard, the Sam Darnold Revenge game. Here we are. Your thoughts on this game. Great game.
Starting point is 00:12:46 It's been 30 years. Mitchell, over 30 years since the San Francisco 49ers have won in Minnesota. I don't know what it is about the water in Minnesota or the food. It's weird, man. They cannot seem to put together a great game. And if you look at the stats sheet, Brock Purdy, 28 to 36, 319, a touchdown, a very costly interception. I kind of saw that coming earlier in the game.
Starting point is 00:13:11 He was able to fit one in and very tight coverage to Kyle Hughes check. And it just looked like, hey, if he does that again, it's going to be tough because he's going through his reads. He's saying, bang, bang, bang, this is my last read. I got to get the ball out. He's hitting his back foot. And the defense is anticipating. The windows are tight. They're starting to understand where he's looking, where he's expecting to go with the ball, where his last read is. And they made a play, tipped the ball up in the air and made an interception. Debo Samuel had a really good game. Caught some really tough passes over the middle. Eight catches from 110. George Kittl, seven for 76. Had to go out to get an IV midway through the game.
Starting point is 00:13:49 Nick Bosa had a really good game, two sacks, but they did not generate enough pressure on Sam Darnold. They allowed him to throw a 97-yard touchdown pass to Justin Jefferson. Unacceptable, no matter what part of the game you're in, no matter what situation, no matter if it's backed up, whatever the situation is. You got two safeties guard in Justin Jefferson. He split the defense. You should never put those guys in that situation. He should be doubled at all times. He's the best player on their football team.
Starting point is 00:14:18 he's not a guy that you should let loose or not have an eye on or say, oh, they're going to run the ball. Let them run the ball. Let them run the ball in that situation. Too deep. We stopped Justin Jefferson. They ran a play like that in week one, had some success. It was a post corner to Justin Jefferson had some success.
Starting point is 00:14:35 This week, it was a corner post. And he was able to get behind the defense. Sam Darnold threw a beautiful football for the 97-yard touchdown. Justin Jefferson ends up going out with an injury in the ball game. Fred Warner, all pro. Fred Warner, deserved the MVP, the game ball, everything in this game because he freaking put the team on his back. There are numerous situations where it appeared the Minnesota Vikings were about to really,
Starting point is 00:15:01 really break this game wide open. Aaron Williams, I mean, Aaron Jones was on his way to another touchdown and to a touchdown in this ball game. And again, Fred Warner's peanut punch bang, coming through again. He had one against Breece Hall last week. He had another one this week, along with an interception. along with the sack. I mean, you're talking about defensive player to year.
Starting point is 00:15:21 Kind of statistics, Mitchell. They're doing what they can defensively. They need more from this offense. You can't be that inconsistent. Obviously, it's tough going against Flores and that very aggressive zero pressure defense the Minnesota Vikings bring, but you have to figure it out.
Starting point is 00:15:38 You cannot have a game like this. You cannot have the turnover that Brock Purdy had. You got to make some plays when it counts. They had a chance. Jason had another very good game. 20 carries for 100 yards was really imposing his wheel throughout the game. But just too many mistakes, you know, two lots of days ago offensively and defensively. They made enough plays, but a lot of it was Fred Warner making crucial plays in very critical
Starting point is 00:16:06 situations as the Minnesota Vikings are driving down to score another touchdown. Both of those plays happened in a red zone area, which is incredible. But it's also concerning because why are they in the red zone area? many times and him having to play Superman in this way. There needs to be more pressure up front. We got to get to the quarterback. But give credit to Kevin O'Connell in this Minnesota Vikings offense and their defense.
Starting point is 00:16:31 Brian Flores, the plan that he drew up for Kyle Shanahan, it's tough to replicate. Kevin O'Connell drew up a beautiful game plan, running the ball, throwing the football. So he deserves a lot of credit. Sam Donald, of course, 17 to 26, 268, two touchdowns, through an intercept. in his revenge game, got his revenge.
Starting point is 00:16:51 Ty Chandler had 10 receptions for 82 yards. Justin Jefferson, four receptions, 133, and a touchdown. Pat Jones, two sacked. Oh, Mitchell, it's going to be tough. I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this. The 49ers took a loss. And this is a huge loss.
Starting point is 00:17:12 I mean, you expected them to win this game. The Vikings are not the same team as they were last. year with Kirk Cousins. Everyone expected a creep down with Sam Darnold at the helm. Richard, Brandon Ayuk just signs a huge extension. He, what, he catches four passes for 43 yards? I mean, this guy's been non-existent the last two games. I know he missed all a training camp.
Starting point is 00:17:38 How big of a distraction was this offseason? Is it lingering into the regular season now? I don't think it's lingering. But I do think if you miss training camp, you don't develop the same report with the quarterback. Brock Purdy's not looking for him in a way that he looked for him last year. That's why you see Debo, Samuels, taking a brunt of the receptions. I think if Ricky Purcell was out there, he would be getting a lot of attention because they just developed that kind of chemistry, that kind of rapport with the time that Brandon Ayyuk was missing with this hold in during his contract dispute.
Starting point is 00:18:15 So I think there's just a bit of a disconnect there that will slowly but surely get reconnected as the season progresses. But you can see it right now. There's just not the same rhythm between the same chemistry between Brock Purdy and Brandon Ayup right now. That'll change as the season goes on. But CMC going to IR with Achilles tendonitis. I got a lot of history with Achilles tendonitis. He's going through necessary steps. to get it taken care of. He's, you know, you got to get, you got to get certain procedures,
Starting point is 00:18:50 you got to get certain things to get the pain, mitigate it. You know, they always say there's not a concern of rupturing and you never want to believe there is, but it is a really, really painful and debilitating injury that makes it very difficult to be effective as a player, and especially in a game where you're making split-second decisions, you're anticipating your body doing what you expected to do with injury like that. Your body's not going to. It's not going to be able, you're not going to be able to push off that foot. You're not going to be able to trust your steps. You're not going to be able to trust your instincts
Starting point is 00:19:18 because you're going to be wholly mentally concerned about where your placement of is of that foot, is the pain there, in the back of your mind, concerned about maybe it's going to rupture on each step. That's not a way you could play at a high level in the National Football League. So he's trying to get to a place where he can play more pain-free and really be able to showcase the talents that he's got given talent and ability. I think he's going to be fine, but he does need a couple weeks to get that thing healthy and to get to that place. The 49ers go down to L.A. to play the Rams who are coming off a devastating loss to the Arizona Cardinals where they just got beat up and down the football field.
Starting point is 00:19:59 They did not look good. That offensive line took a beating. I think Arizona had five sacks in the ball game, and we're going to get to that game a little bit later. But it's Levi South. I know the faithful are going to be there and they're going to show up in a big way. They need to, but the San Francisco 49ers need this win. They need to get back on the winning track. Brock Purdy needs to get his confidence back, to get back to where he believes in himself
Starting point is 00:20:23 and this offense. Again, they need to get Brandon IUC involved. You paid the man. You got to draw some stuff up to him and get him in rhythm early on, even if it's simple stuff, one-on-one, backside, three-by-one, old-school football. Just get the man some touches. one-on-one go balls. I mean, they were doing that last year
Starting point is 00:20:43 against Pittsburgh to open a season. I mean, it's old school. They're playing one. They're playing quarters. You can find one-on-ones if you want them. You got to take those shots and give them opportunities. We can't play conservative. And I think, I don't know if it's the offensive line
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Starting point is 00:25:33 Let's move on. We're going to the Kansas City Chiefs, Cincinnati Bengals. And Richard, the NFL scriptwriters have got it right for the Kansas City Chiefs the last two years. It looks like they're getting it right for the third year in a row. The Kansas City Chiefs escaped this game with a huge win. And I don't know what the bigger story is here. Kansas City escapes the win or the fact that the Cincinnati Bengals with Joe Burrough Healthy O.N2. Richard, your thoughts on this game.
Starting point is 00:26:07 Cincinnati looked like they had it in the bag and they just could not get it done. Metro, it did again look like fourth and 16. You say, oh, man, there's no way. There's no way Patrick Mahones gets out of this one. They had just converted a fourth down the play before to Rashi Rice, and they got it called back for a holding call on number 64.
Starting point is 00:26:35 And you say, okay, all right, obviously. This is over fourth and 16. There's no way he's going to get this off. And then, of course, you see him scramble around. You see him find space along the left side. You see him move up in the pocket. You say, no, no. We've seen this nightmare before.
Starting point is 00:26:55 He puts the ball up throwing across his body. He finds a receiver incomplete. But you could see the DB got there. It may be a hair early. But it's a bang, bang play. They call it every time they don't. They call it for Patrick Mahon. They're going to call it for Patrick Mahon.
Starting point is 00:27:14 And it's hard to play DB in this league, Mitchell. It is hard to play defensive back in a national football league. When you're mad at your DB, like, oh, man, he couldn't have done that. He shouldn't have donated. Understand every single rule in the rule book in terms of passing game is against the defensive back. We don't have any benefits. They rarely call offensive pass interference.
Starting point is 00:27:36 They called it a few times this week on a couple games, but only when it's freaking ridiculously obvious. But you look up and you're saying, hey, what else do you expect a defender to do? Like you expect them to say run full speed, stop for a second, real quick while the ball's in the air, and then say, okay, time it. Ready, one, two, okay, now jump and bat it.
Starting point is 00:27:56 No, you're going to drive on the football. You're going to go to the receiver. You're going to go up when he goes up, and you're going to try to get around him and make a play. And that's what the defense is back did. unfortunately, they called it this time. But Mahomes, again, he's thrown three touchdowns this year, throwing three interceptions, and again,
Starting point is 00:28:16 they're finding ways to win. That is crazy concerning. Very, very concerning. It's scary because he's not playing particularly. He didn't play particularly well in this game. He threw two really costly interceptions that you really don't know how to explain. Isaiah Pacheco had a very solid game, but kind of limped off at the end. Roshie Rice had some really good catches.
Starting point is 00:28:41 Again, we talked about that clutch catch on fourth down that got called back. That would have probably put him over 100 yards or at least to 90 yards receiving. Travis Kelsey didn't have a very impactful game, one catch for five yards. But again, he had an illegal contact called on him late in the game that was on a play where Patrick Mahones got intercepted. And without that, I don't know if they win this game. You know, without that play where the interception gets called back, I don't know if they win this game.
Starting point is 00:29:17 And Jamari Connor, give him a lot of credit. Because when Joe Burrow, who played, okay, you know, he had 258, two touchdowns, the team ran the ball for 74 yards. Giuseki had a really good game, seven catches for 91 yards. Jamar Chase was held relatively. in check had a really question. I mean, I just didn't understand what he was mad about on a play, a short game where he was tackled by McDuffie.
Starting point is 00:29:45 And I don't know if he thought McDuffie tried to try to hip drop tackle him or something, but McDuffie was still standing after the play and even kind of splitting his legs to make sure he didn't land on Jamar Chase's legs. And Jamar Chase gets so angry, he gets a 15-yard penalty that was very, very costly late in that ball game. They did not need it. Joe Burrow tried to step in, tried to stop him, try to calm him down. The head coach tried to calm him down.
Starting point is 00:30:11 Nobody could calm him down. Trey Hendersson looked like a man on fire caused a lot of freaking chaos. And he was the one who caused the holding call to get that fourth down conversion taken away late in the game. But again, they end up getting a penalty late in the game. But Joe Burroughs fumble, that one fumble that he had, that wouldn't. be that bad was a touchdown. It was a defensive touchdown and end up being one of the most pivotal plays in the game. So you have to put that on Joe Burrow. You got to hold on to the ball. You got to protect the ball at all cost. You can't give a team like the Kansas City Chiefs a free
Starting point is 00:30:51 touchdown that they didn't, that Patch Mahon's didn't have to drive down the field and earn. You got to do better than that for your defense. He could have been the first quarterback to beat Mahon's four times, but it wasn't in the cards. But it does not. look like the Cincinnati Bengals were in any way scared of the Kansas City Chiefs. And I look forward to them playing again, hopefully in the playoffs. But if Kansas, I mean, if Cincinnati doesn't get it together, this is their, I think they said their fourth time starting O-N-2, like, I just don't get that, you know, you got an elite quarterback, you got elite receivers, your defense plays really hard.
Starting point is 00:31:26 You got good rushers in Hendrickson and Hubbard. And you keep starting O'N-2, O'N-2, then you had a, I mean, I can't say you had a hard start. I mean, Kansas City was going to be a tough matchup, but you had New England first. And you played better against Kansas City than you did against New England, but you still come out a loser. You're going to have to win this game against the Washington commanders, or there's going to be some very, some seats in Cincinnati that get really, really warm and uncomfortable, Mitchell. Richard, and they haven't paid Jamar Chase, this guy has four catches for 35 yards. I mean, if I were to tell you, Patrick Mahomes were to pass for 151 yards and two
Starting point is 00:32:10 interceptions and Travis Kelsey were to catch one ball for five yards, I'm sure you would say, Mitchell, the Cincinnati Bengals winning a freaking blowout. And Richard, they lost. That's where we're at right now with the Cincinnati Bengals. And you're right, Monday night football next week is a huge game for them because if they lose, of the lowly commanders with Jaden Daniels, who has a lot to prove, where do you look? I mean, you've got to look at ownership at this point. And you have to look at ownership, Richard. They've got two of the best players in the league in Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase.
Starting point is 00:32:50 And this team has not found an ability to win in the clutch moments. I get it. They made it as a Super Bowl. I understand it. But how do you keep that longevity going? Richard, we shall see. We shall see. I got to take you to a low point in my day.
Starting point is 00:33:07 This was a low point in my day. My weekend, I was in Detroit today, and Richard pick me up here, my friend, because I don't know where to go. I don't know where to go. And my friend, before we get into the game, we got to acknowledge our friends and partners with Brightling. We love you guys. I mean, you guys already know we showcased in the last two podcasts. They got the new exclusive edition.
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Starting point is 00:33:59 There you go. Richard, for those of you watching, that's a beautiful, beautiful, 49ers. There you go. Beauty, beauty. Aiden Hutchinson ends up with four and a half sacks for the Detroit Lions against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. One shy of the franchise record here in Detroit, Richard, he was all over the field. I mean, frankly, he looked like T.J. Watt out there. I mean, the guy, like, I don't know how many had in the first sack.
Starting point is 00:34:30 at first half, but my goodness, Aidan Hutchinson was absolutely everywhere, and he was, quite frankly, the only bright spot of today's game for the Detroit Lions. Detroit looked terrible. I was at the game, watching the game, waiting for that climatic moment offensively.
Starting point is 00:34:52 Jared Goff threw for over 300 yards, Richard, I can say this, like, I don't remember much of it. of them. Two interceptions, pivotal interceptions, and even down the stretch when we needed that big play, it was checked down Charlie. I don't get it. You have no timeouts and you're throwing it short in the end zone, even when you need a touchdown in prime moments. Richard, this is not the Jared Gough we've known to love here in Detroit. I was confused watching this game. The Tampa Bay Bucks looked really good defensively. I will say offensively, basically,
Starting point is 00:35:30 Baker Mayfield scrambled himself out of situations. He looked really, really freaking good. And I will give the Tampa Bay Buccaneers a lot of credit. They look a lot better than they did last year. And I know they were beat up today. Detroit is a team I think will grow throughout the year. But Richard, right now I'm worried. Talk me through this situation because I don't want to be too worried going
Starting point is 00:35:55 in the next week as the Lions take on the up-and-coming Arizona Cardinals. should I be worried, my friend. Well, Mitchell, I don't want to, I don't want to lie to you, Mitchell. What Arizona put on tape this week? Be afraid. Be very afraid because it is concerning.
Starting point is 00:36:17 This week, I tried to warn you, Mitchell. You were like, hey, I guarantee this win. And I want to go back to this, to the Cincinnati game because I need you all to pull the clip of me saying, Mike Brown is not going to want to pay Jamar Chase and Joe Burrell. Please. I said it like three years ago.
Starting point is 00:36:36 Please put that clip out because I said it. And now we're living the reality. He does not want to pay guys. He wants the production and a benefit of elite players, but he doesn't want to pay him. Elite player money. That's just who he is. I don't know why.
Starting point is 00:36:51 It's not my fault. Don't shoot the messenger. Now back to the Detroit Lions. Really good team. The. Todd Bowles is a very tough defensive coordinator to go against when you don't play him consistently. And I know you guys played him in the playoffs, but he also played you in the playoffs. He played Ben Johnson.
Starting point is 00:37:12 So just like Ben Johnson's going to be making adjustments, Todd Bowles made adjustments. And they got Jordan Whitehead back. They got a little bit better pass rush. You know, they got consistency from their defense. Your offensive line is really good, but they also have Vita Veya. Mitchell, they have people eaters too. So you're not just going to be able to bully them throughout the ball game like you want to. Jamir Gibbs had a solid game, 13 rushes for 84 yards, seven receptions, 22 yards.
Starting point is 00:37:38 But you didn't see the same dominance as you did last week and just bully football through down the stretch. Baker Mayfield. I mean, he looked, he looked Frank Tarkingtonish out there. Mitchell, he looked very dynamic, very Houdini. You know, where'd he go, George? Kind of ordeal. And he did that throughout the game in situations where really your pass rush got home.
Starting point is 00:38:06 And he did this in a game where, like you said, Aidan Hutchinson had four and a half sacks. I think he had three in the first quarter, had the best game of his career, showed why he was such a high pick in the draft, really starting to live up to the potential and everything, all the positive things that have been said about him. but Baker Mayfield is starting to build a rapport with Chris Godwin in a way that Tom Brady had built. And Chris Godwin is the most underrated receiver in the National Football League not named Tyler Lockett.
Starting point is 00:38:37 You know, he's like Tampa Bay's version of Tyler Lockett. No matter how much he does, I think he and Mike Evans have had 4,000-yard seasons where both those guys went over 1,000 yards, and nobody really even bats an eyelash at it. He's been an all pro in this league, and nobody really talks about it that much. He's a really great player in this national football league, and that was able to shine today. You can double team Mike Evans, but if you forget about Chris Godwin in the intermediate, he will burn you.
Starting point is 00:39:08 And he did that consistently. Baker Mayfield was finding him every single time. That defense, Zion McCullen, Christian Eezion, they made some huge interceptions, made it really tough on Jared Golf. He got his yards, but that happens sometimes in his Todd Bowles defense. Like they give up a few yards here and there, but they're not going to give up very many touchdowns. And they did not.
Starting point is 00:39:33 They did not allow them into the end zone. They caused chaos. They caused Jared Gough to turn the ball over. They stopped them from scoring in the red zone. And there were a few just really uncharacteristic things that I think, I don't think will happen in the future, like 12 men on the field, like right before the half, that kind of took points off the board. It was just kind of a bonehead play where I'm sure they're not, you know, I mean, they do a lot of updowns, Mitchell. I'm sure they're going to be doing up downs this week
Starting point is 00:40:01 for that play because. Richard, after last week against the Rams, I told you, the Lions played C-plus football. And a lot of that C-plus was geared more towards the offense. They looked rusty. And Richard, this is a second straight game. The offense looked very rusty. And in particular, Jared Goff looked very rusty. They just paid this guy a lot of money in the offseason. And I get it. You had no preseason moments. Dan Campbell doesn't like to expose any injury risk to this team in the preseason.
Starting point is 00:40:37 I understand that. But we expect more. I mean, when you're getting paid $50 plus million a year, Richard, these interceptions he threw today, they weren't in the contested variety. they were, hey, I misread this throw or I'm getting hit and I'm just going to loft it to the safety. Richard, they were a big place when Detroit was driving, trying to make, even put points on the board
Starting point is 00:41:03 because that's all we were looking at the end. If they were to kick the field goal as opposed to throwing that interception that he threw over the middle to literally no one but the safety of Tampa Bay, Detroit wouldn't won this game. These are big moments. Jared Goff, I'm hoping this is just a, a one-hit wonder game for him, but Detroit needs to get off of Coast mode and get back into the playoff mode that they were last year because otherwise, I don't want to say, Richard,
Starting point is 00:41:31 the Cardinals at Arizona is no cakewalk by any means. This team could be staring one and two in the face when everyone thought they would be three and oh, including myself. Detroit needs to write this path immediately. Yeah, Mitchell, I understand what you're saying. Again, I think it's just a situation where Todd Bowles is a tough. A tough guy to go against, but Jonathan Gannon and that defense is playing at a really high level. They don't have the huge names outside of Buda Baker.
Starting point is 00:42:02 Buda Baker is a bigger, probably the biggest name on that defense, but they played really good football against the Buffalo Bills. They played really good football this week and the blowout win against the Rams five sacks, sack Matthew Stafford five times. So, I mean, they can't go into that game underestimating them. I think they're going to come in, motivated. Both teams is going to be a really good game. But there's other $50 million quarterbacks that played worse than Jared Goss today, Mitchell. And we're going to get to that later in the show.
Starting point is 00:42:30 But don't, Mitchell, don't think all is lost. Calm me down, Rich. It's calm down. Chill out. You're still doing well. You still got a chance to win this division, even though Green Bay got a big win, somehow with Malik Willis, who played a really solid game. You got to give LaFleur a lot of.
Starting point is 00:42:50 credit for finding a way to win that game. Coach his butt all. But don't let this early loss concern you, Mitchell. It's still a really good team, a great culture. They're going to be fine. We'll stop. Imagine an Olympics
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Starting point is 00:48:15 I get to give credit to the Tennessee Titans and their staff, Callahan. They did a really good job. I mean, outside of one incredibly bonehead play by Will Levis, he played solid. He battled. Try to give his team a chance. Their defense made big plays trying to corral this jet rushing and passing attack. Breeze Hall, he's always one step away from breaking a big one. Had 14 rushes for 62 yards, seven receptions for 52 yards,
Starting point is 00:48:48 and a huge touchdown from Aaron Rogers. Braylon Allen is the youngest player in the NFL to score a touchdown since 1930. It was a really cool connection between the oldest player and Aaron Rogers and the youngest player in Braylon Allen for his second touchdown. He had two touchdowns in the game. Jared Wilson had a solid game, four catch, 57 yards. Will McDonald had three sacks in the ball game, and they were all very, very critical.
Starting point is 00:49:18 Brandon Eccles had an interception to kind of, I guess, Brandon Eccles had an interception in a ball game as well. Tony Pollard had a solid game, 17 rush for 62 yards, five reception for 40 yards. Calvin Ridley had one of the best catches that I think you'll see, Mitchell, in the end zone. I still don't understand how it didn't, how it wasn't an interception and it was a reception for a touchdown
Starting point is 00:49:45 because in real time, I was like, oh, it's interception. And then the rest putting his hands up. And I'm like, wait, what? To slow that down. I usually catch things pretty quickly and can recognize. But I was one of those ones that I don't know how he got up under that ball, the concentration, the focus, to be able to bring that ball in was incredible. Yeah, Tennessee, Tennessee did a solid job, but they're on to right now,
Starting point is 00:50:12 new head coach, still got some things to work out. You still need to figure out if Will Levis is a quarterback of the future with those two bonehead plays, the weird tossback fumble in the red zone that took points off the board is definitely not going to get it done. You can see the head coach asking him like, what the F are you doing? I don't even understand how to explain this or coach this because I would have never thought you would do something so ridiculous. And he did. And he did. They can't have those kind of plays going forward. They got another tough game against the Green Bay Packers next week. The Jets head to New England to Gillette Stadium to face a very, very scrappy New England Patriots team
Starting point is 00:50:53 coming off a tough loss to Seattle Sea Hawks. Mitchell, that New England Patriots team is they're battling, man. Now, they're battling defensively. They got the DBS to play man coverage all day and all night. They have a good scheme up front. They're not letting people run the ball very effectively. They're very stout offensively. Jacoby Brissette, even when you got guys coming scot-free and calls.
Starting point is 00:51:16 Guys, guys, get into the quarterback. he's able to stand strong in the pocket and avoid these hits and avoid a lot of the sacks of unblocked rushers consistently. I mean, I think he was the highest-pressured quarterback week one and likely to be week two. And he wasn't the most sacked because he's simply avoiding these sacks, getting the ball to where it's supposed to be. He's a big reason that they're even having a chance in these ball games.
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Starting point is 00:52:23 delivery partner of the NFL order now. Mitchell, I don't think Tyler Murray can play better. I'm about to order some food right now after you just said that, honestly. I mean, first and foremost, the Arizona Cardinals, right? I mean, last week, we saw them going to Buffalo and give the bills a very difficult time. I mean, at halftime, the Cardinals were for all intents of purposes in control of that game. And we kind of shushed it aside and said, eh, whatever, you know, the bills are just bad. They don't have any receivers.
Starting point is 00:52:58 Not so fast. And Richard, they got a healthy Kyler Murray. They got a new stud wide receiver in Marvin Harrison. You know, this Cardinal team has always been good. I know they gave you hell when you were the San Francisco. Francisco 49 is in hell when you were with the Seattle Seahawks. What's the difference now? I mean, this team is still scrappy as all get out and they beat up on the division
Starting point is 00:53:24 rival, the L.A. Rams. Richard, are you more enthusiastic about the Cardinals or more down on the Rams? What's your thought after coming out of this game? Well, a little bit of both, a little bit of both, Mitchell, because with the Rams, they've been beat up on the offensive line. And usually Sean McVey is able to coach around that. And you're not noticing like, hey, they're just terrible. And they're, you know, guys are running through.
Starting point is 00:53:55 Matt Stafford's getting sacked a lot. Things like that. You're not really dealing with that right now because Jonathan Gannon and this defense have been so effective, was so effective at exploiting those weaknesses, getting to the quarterback, putting pressure, hitting them. Tyrone Williams had no room to run all day. And then if you look at the flip side of that, James Connor ran all over this Rams defense.
Starting point is 00:54:22 They bullied them. They were more physical. You're starting to see how different this defense is without Aaron Donald at the force, the All-Pro, the Hall of Famer in the middle to create those huge plays or create those tackles for losses in the middle of games where things are falling apart. He stabilizes the ship.
Starting point is 00:54:39 He writes the defense. They don't have that anymore. Kyle Murray with his most efficient game as a professional, 17 of 21, 266 yards, and three touchdowns, only sacked once, also ran the ball five times for 59 yards with a 26-yard scamper in the ball game. You have to give them credit. Marvin Harrison, Jr., earlier in the week, I don't know why he said it because it was ridiculous when he said it. And Kyle and Murray said something like to the tune of, it's not my job to get Marvin Harris in the ball. Like that, I was very concerned when he said that.
Starting point is 00:55:16 Because I was like, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. They literally just draft this guy with the second pick of the draft for you to get him to ball to make your life easier. So why would you make your life harder by not getting them the ball? But maybe Kyler was playing some Jedi mind trick on all of us, some reverse psychology because he found Marvin Harrison, Jr., early and often in the first quarter, Mitchell, he had three catches for over 100 yards. He had two touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:55:47 One of those touchdowns was a really, really athletic play where it looked like he extended his body almost five yards to stretch the ball over the goal line for his second touchdown of the first quarter. And he got this team started in a big way. And I think that really softened up the Rams defense because they had to start doubling him, had to start playing too high shale and take some of the pressure off these dbs, and they're not able to pack the box and stop James Connor. And then if you look on the flip side defensively, they were bringing some very unique
Starting point is 00:56:18 pressures. Jonathan Gannon, you remember his time out in Philadelphia. And, you know, when they were with the Eagles and how great that defense was, he's brought that philosophy down to Arizona, and you're starting to see the results. You know, you're starting to see the fruits of his labor with this production, this defense is given. And if they can continue that, Mitchell, like I said, they go play your Detroit Lions in Arizona next week, and it's going to be a dogfighter of a game. I cannot call this NFL right now because you think one team's good, then you walk up and watch and play
Starting point is 00:56:50 somebody else. You know, you watch the Miami Dolphins get drugged by the Buffalo Bills. Obviously, Tuatunga Vailoa got hurt late in that ballgame, but you just, it's, I'm having a hard time. The Baltimore Ravens just lost to the Las Vegas Raiders. In Baltimore, you know, I just don't, I don't know what you make of this. And that takes us to Trevor Lawrence and the Jacksonville Jaguars playing against Deshaun Watson and the Cleveland Browns. You would think, oh, okay, you know, Deshaun Watson has been off. He looked really bad last week.
Starting point is 00:57:23 You think, okay, Trevor Lawrence and those guys really came close to beating the Miami Dolphins, a walk-off field goal beats him. So you think they're coming in with some momentum. Trevor Lawrence plays a solid game, 14 to 30, 22. yards. He got sacked four times, so we got to talk about that offensive line and how concerned you are with that. But no, Mitchell, no Mitchell. The seven of the last eight ball games, the Jaguars have lost seven of the eight last eight ball games, Mitchell, and they won one. They won one. And I don't even know if Trevor Lawrence was here. Was Trevor Lawrence the quarterback when they
Starting point is 00:57:59 won that one, Mitchell? He was not. And here's the stat for you guys. Richard, Trevor Lawrence just got a payday this offseason, right? The payday, the size, you would expect Patrick Mahomes to get, Josh Allen to get, Joe Burrow to get, Matthew Stafford to get, guys that have brought their teams to prominence. The Jacksonville Jaguars have won one game in their last eight that they played, and Trevor Lawrence wasn't even the starter for that. it was C.J. Bethard, the last starting quarterback over the last eight games that has won a game for the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Starting point is 00:58:42 Richard, you called in the offseason when we talked about Trevor Lawrence getting paid the $55 million a year that he was getting paid. And here we are now. The Jacksonville Jaguars are 0 and 2. Richard, this was a team that was set up really well, right? And then they had to pay the quarterback. What are your thoughts on the Jags now because it doesn't look pretty this early in the season? Yeah, it doesn't look pretty at all. It doesn't look pretty at all.
Starting point is 00:59:11 And I was concerned when they first paid him because he's just not in that same stratosphere as the other quarterbacks making the kind of money that he's getting paid. And I don't care. You can argue with somebody else. I wish we could do quarterback rankings, but they paid him based off something I can't qualify. I can't quantify because he's not winning in the National Football League. Everybody talks about the one playoff game that he won against the Chargers. Like, I get it. Sure.
Starting point is 00:59:35 Cool. Daniel Jones has won one playoff game. But what do you do throughout most of the regular season? Mitchell, can you win games by yourself when your defense isn't playing well? When your offense is struggling, can you put the team on your back? Like Patrick Mahones kind of did late in this ball game. Like, hey, he didn't play well. Did they still get the win?
Starting point is 00:59:53 You know, Lamar Jackson did that a couple times last year. Brock Purdy was able to do that a few times. You know, some of these quarterback is Jared Gall, when your team isn't playing, that well last year, he was able to do that. Takes your team to the NFC championship game. That's how you get paid. But when they paid him coming off of all the losses that they were, that they were building up, Mitchell, you talk about they lost six of their last seven. And the one they won, he didn't even start a quarterback that day. And so when you're coming off of a finish to a season like that, to justify paying that guy $55 million is crazy to me because
Starting point is 01:00:25 he just hadn't earned it. And I know he has all the tools and all the potential. and the projections are all there, and he looks great, and he's prototypical, but it does not show on the football field. You talk about his turnovers. You talk about his poor second halves in a lot of these ball games. Over those eight games, Mitchell, he's had 10 turnovers. His defense is four, six. He's had alone.
Starting point is 01:00:50 He's had 10 turnovers. So you talk about a guy, you pay 55 million, has to be the reason you're winning these games regardless, and he's not. He's one in 20 now in games that his defense doesn't cause a turnover. So unless his defense is causing turnovers and causing chaos, it's probably not going to happen for the Jacksonville Jaguars. And if you're a fan or if you're on that staff, you're probably frustrated because you're like, man, we're paying your $55 million.
Starting point is 01:01:18 Like even when everybody else isn't on, we need you to be on. He threw for under 50% in this ball game. He threw for 220 yards. but like you don't get the excuses, and I'm sure they're going to make every excuse in the world. Oh, he doesn't have the receivers. Oh, the offensive line. But everybody, like, when you get paid that money,
Starting point is 01:01:38 you're the reason why you don't have the offensive line you want to have because you're making $55 million. So you don't get that excuse. Brian Thomas had a solid game, but he looks like a legit receiver. Had two catches for 94 yards. So they have some legit pieces. Travis ETA, again, has a solid game,
Starting point is 01:01:53 13 rush, 52 yards. He's a legit weapon. You have legit weapons around you. But when you go and get $52 million, when you know you're not giving your team $55 million worth of production, you're going to handicap your team in a big way and they're not going to be able to win games. And now they go to a Monday night matchup against another $50 plus million quarterback and Josh Allen, who actually plays like a $50 plus million quarterback. And he's likely going to take another L.
Starting point is 01:02:20 So that'd be eight losses in a row, Mitchell. And then you start to have really difficult conversations. And everybody's like, oh, you're hating on, you're hating on him. You're hating on Trevor Lawrence. He's a guy. When has he been a guy? Like every year when it was Urban, they blamed Urban. They said Urban Meyer wasn't the right guy.
Starting point is 01:02:37 He ruined Trevor Lawrence. Okay, this is Doug Peterson. Doug Peterson that has won a Super Bowl in this league that has coached his team. And it really coach Nick Foles. And Nick Foles took that team to the promised land against Tom Brady to go and won that game. So we talk about that Doug Peterson, right? Mitchell, you can't. So you can't start blaming the staff now.
Starting point is 01:02:56 You can't give Doug Peterson, oh, he's a Super Bowl winning coach, and now he's the problem. Like, it's somebody else is the problem, and people refuse to see it, but I'm not seeing it. Until Trevor Lawrence starts to prove it, he disappeared in the last game. In the second half against the Miami Dolphins, he was non-existent, non-effective,
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Starting point is 01:07:42 the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from Hypocrat as part of the Mycultura podcast network available on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcast. or wherever you get your podcasts. Richard, you called it from the moment he signed his contract. Why is this guy getting paid this amount of money? And you're right. I mean, at the end of the day, he completed 14 out of 30 passes. I mean, that's pedestrian.
Starting point is 01:08:08 Richard, that's sub 500. You're the starting quarterback. And you're right. They're going on the road to Bill's Mafia. They're probably going to be 0.3, right? How do you go up from here? We shall see Trevor Lawrence has got a rebound and rebound quick. Richard, you're looking like you were outstandingly correct in calling that he was overpaid from the get-go.
Starting point is 01:08:34 Let's talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers because this is a team. Doesn't matter what you put in front of them. They just seem to find a way to win a game. Richard, they beat up on the Denver Broncos. Whoopty-do. but Bo Necks, the rookie, Richard, the Pittsburgh Steelers, they've scored a whopping what, 28 points on the season and they're 2 and O? Like, what gives?
Starting point is 01:09:06 Well, when you have a Watt, Mitchell, a T.J. Watt in this case, you're going to be okay. T.J. Watt had another solid game, but a stats sheet, again, does not tell the story of how impactful he was in both. both the run game and the past game, the amount of tension they have to put to stopping T.J. Watt, Alex Highsmith, they both have a sack in the game. Demonte Cazee gets an interception to end the game. Corey Trice has an interception. Justin Fields plays a solid game,
Starting point is 01:09:37 made some really, really good passes on third down. Mitchell, he completed a third and 11 to George Pickens and really completed one of the best passes. I think I've ever seen him complete. early in the game to George Pickens. Unfortunately, got called back for a holding on his right tackle. I think it was the right tackle. Don't quote me on that, but I think it was his right tackle.
Starting point is 01:10:01 Got a holding call on that. But it was really a rope to George Pickens and would have been a highlight play, probably the highlight of the week for the Pittsburgh Steelers in that game. But they're doing enough that it's going to be really hard to take the keys away from this kid when Russell Wilson is healthy because they're winning games. And again, Mike Tomlin never, ever gets enough credit.
Starting point is 01:10:25 It does not matter who's at quarterback, who's at running back over his 17-year, illustrious career. You could, you know, mix and match all these pieces in and out, good defense, bad defense, good offense, bad offense, bad offense, good receivers, bad receivers, whatever you want, good running backs, bad running backs, offensive line, inconsistent. But no matter what, he's going to have a winning record. And to start 2-0 is big time. They're 2-0 in a very, very tough division that's kind of eating itself.
Starting point is 01:10:55 Baltimore starting off 0-and-2 with a tough loss to Kansas City and a very head-scratching loss to the Las Vegas Raiders. Mitchell, this could be a dream miracle season for the Pittsburgh Steelers, but they're going to have some controversy coming up when it starts to get to the point Russell Wilson comes back and he's healthier. Obviously, they've been being cautious with the calf. But what happens when they're not being cautious anymore? Do they sit Justin Fields on the bitch?
Starting point is 01:11:23 You definitely don't rotate quarterbacks. That's never been a recipe for success. But he has won two games, Mitchell, and he hasn't really turned the ball over. He's not really making a ton of mistakes. He's 13 for 20, so you're not leaning on him to do too much. He had 117 yards, 27 yards rushing. He does look a little hesitant at times running the football, which I think will shake out of him. I think he's just trying to do his best to prove to this staff.
Starting point is 01:11:48 that he can play from the pocket. Arthur Smith is doing a good job, drawing up a run rushing plan. Najee Harris, 17 carries for 69 yards. The defense is what's carrying this team, and it has for the last few years. And if they can keep this recipe, Mitchell, it's been the recipe for success in Pittsburgh for a long time. Run the ball, play special teams, don't turn the ball over, play some good defense, let those all pros.
Starting point is 01:12:15 Let that Hall of Famer, T. T.J. Watt, Cam Hayward, Alex Highsmith, do what they do. And then on the other side, Bo Nix, another concerning loss where you're sitting there saying, hey, we look good when he's checking the ball or it's mid-range, you know, intermediate passing game. But when he starts to push the ball downfield, he does not have the same consistent accuracy. He's thrown two interceptions in this game. Giovante Williams, who was a freaking monster, his rookie years,
Starting point is 01:12:44 just does not look the same since his knee injury. and they were 2 and 12 on third down, and that's a lot to do with Joey Porter and his secondary, Minka Fitzpatrick, and the guys back there, they do a really good job mixing it up with their fire zones
Starting point is 01:13:01 and their man-to-man coverage, but they're going to need more out of him when they go to play the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in Tampa, in that heat. Like I said, Todd Bowles is not a coordinator you want to see as a young quarterback. You do not want to see him. You do not want to deal with his exotic looks and everything that he's pushing, putting down there.
Starting point is 01:13:22 And then his defense with Patrick Sartan still, I think the best corner in football played a really solid game, but they're not getting a benefit. I mean, they held Pittsburgh to 13 points. Usually as defense, you feel like, hey, we should be the almost, almost perfect defense of the week. We held them to 13 points. But you're not because your offense is unable to score points. And that has to change. or this is going to be another unfortunate season for the Denver Broncos where they're going to be looking to draft top five again,
Starting point is 01:13:53 and hopefully it ain't a quarterback. You're not wrong, Rich. And before we move on from this game, there's two other points here. For one, it's not too late in this season, Rich. I mean, you can amend your defensive MVP pick. Do you want to make the change from Rokwon Smith to T.J. Watt, because he certainly looks deserving the MVP award
Starting point is 01:14:19 on the defensive side of the ball at this point in the season. Yeah, Mitchell, it's definitely hard to, because Roquan looks solid, but they're losing, and I'm definitely going to have to change it, but I'm definitely going to have to put all pro Fred Warner in that discussion as well with his nine tackles today, sack, forced fumble,
Starting point is 01:14:37 and critical force fumble, interception. What about my boy Hutchinson? Even hudson, four and a half sacks. I mean, you got to put him. minute right now. You can amend the pick. I will give you one week to amend that selection. Give me one week to study it.
Starting point is 01:14:55 But I'm going to be a biased, Mitchell. You see my hat. I'm going to be biased. And the second question I'm going to ask you is here with the Steelers. I mean, listen, their offense has not been top-notch by any means. They've scored 28 points collectively over the last two weeks. If they're able to find a way to win next week against the. the Chargers who've been out to a hot start this season.
Starting point is 01:15:18 Are you thinking when Russell Wilson comes back, if you are as Mike Tomlin, do you not make the change? Do you stick with Justin Fields? I don't know, Mitchell. I don't know because I don't know what Mike Tomlin's thinking. Mike Tomlin is one of the best coaches in the National Football League. I'm not one of the best coaches.
Starting point is 01:15:37 I get it. But if you're undefeated, how do you move off your starting quarterback? How do you explain that to the team? Mitchell, it's good. You say you're going with the, the winner. You're going with the proven veteran. You're going with the guy that you know it's going to be stable, Mitchell. And I hear it, but it's got, I'm with you.
Starting point is 01:15:56 I'm with you. How do you do it? How do you explain to the team? But how do you explain to Russell Wilson that, hey, we know you came. We know, you brought all this veteran leadership and all these accolades, et cetera, et et cetera, the pro balls and all. But this young kid has the hot hand and we're going with him right now. like Russell Wilson's in the twilight of his career.
Starting point is 01:16:15 Do you really sit him on the bench to be a coach? And how does he respond to that? You know, I think he's always, you know, done things the right way and said the right things in the media. But I cannot imagine that he would feel good about that personally, knowing that he came to make a decision and come to Pittsburgh to be the starter. You know, does he start asking for a trade or start to put rumblings out there and start to put some rumors out there to get himself, you know, on the trade block?
Starting point is 01:16:41 because there are some teams out there. I mean, Miami Dolphins right now with the uncertainty with Tua Tongue Vailoa at quarterback, you know, that would probably accept the calls to Russell Wilson and say, hey, you know, we'd hear it out and be looking to bring him in to kind of get us through, you know, get us through the rest of the season, especially if you're not going to use him, but I don't think if you're Pittsburgh, you make that move because you don't know what Justin Fields. And the way he plays and the way he's scrambling, you know, does he get banged up? So it's better to have both. But I don't know, Mitchell. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:17:15 This is going to be, again, it's going to be he's always made the right decisions. Mike Tomlin has. It's going to be another chance to show his acumen as a fantastic coach. Richard, let's stick in the AFC. The Baltimore Ravens coming off a opening day loss against the Kansas City Chief's heartbreaking fashion by an inch with a lively's foot. Richard, they lose another heartbreaker against the Raiders today and open the season 0-2. They fall to 0-2 for the first time in 10 years. If you're a fan of this Baltimore Ravens team, what is your panic meter rating right now?
Starting point is 01:18:02 Mitchell, it's probably like a 6.6.2 because you have to believe in John Harbour and his history and what these guys have done. obviously Lamar Jackson was the MVP last year. Didn't have an awful game, 21 of 34 for 247, a touchdown in the interception. Derek Henry was effective running the ball, 18 of 18 carries for 84 yards and touchdown. Defensively, I mean, they were getting to Garner-Mintu. You know, they got him O'Dafay Owe had two and a half sacks. Kyle Vanoi had two and a half sacks. Marlon Humphreys gets into interception.
Starting point is 01:18:39 So, you know, Zay Flowers has to get a second interception. is productive. So you feel good about all those things. Those numbers are there. But on the other side, Gardner Minchew, who's not a very heralded quarterback, we talk about all these $50 million guys. If I told you that, you know, Trevor Lawrence and Gardner Minchew was comparable. People would call me crazy. So I don't feel like arguing with people on the internet, but Gardner Minchew was 30 of 38, 276, a touchdown and throw an interception. He obviously has Devante Adams, who's one of the best receivers in the National Football League. He had nine catches for 1-10 and a TD, a very critical pass interference that he drew in the end zone to put them in scoring position.
Starting point is 01:19:16 He goes on to catch a touchdown pass next play. Max Crosby, Mad Max, is all over the place. He pretty much closed the curtains on this game late in the game when they needed to have it. He had two sacks, Roberts Valene. Their attitude, their energy in Las Vegas is just different right now, Mitchell. Their energy is just so different right now. They look like a team that's playing for their head coach. Clearly, they had a tough loss last week against the Chargers.
Starting point is 01:19:47 You know, the first week of the season, they lost to the Chargers, 22 to 10. But you could see it. Now, the Chargers are a really good ball club. Now, you know, you could say whatever you want about Jim Hardball, but he and Greg Roman, when he comes to running the football and drawing up a very, very formidable run game, they're doing a full. phenomenal job. They got Dobbins, who's been injured the last couple seasons,
Starting point is 01:20:13 could barely walk upstairs, playing some of the best football of his life. So you've got to give them credit, but the Raiders, the Raiders are just playing inspired. They play really inspired football. They play like a team that refused to lose, like they wanted to win this for their head coach, like they're playing for one another.
Starting point is 01:20:31 And that's got to be encouraging for Raiders fans, but Baltimore fans, you just don't, this doesn't look like the team you're used to. They had 11 penalties for 109 in the game, you know, just sloppy in some departments that they're usually very crisp. They're usually a very disciplined team. Usually control the clock, control their emotions, control everything. And it just doesn't look the same right now. Obviously, there was a tough game with Kansas City.
Starting point is 01:20:58 They're on two. But the game against the Cowboys next week in Jerry's world, that kind of, be a tough game. You know, they're coming off a tough loss where they, I mean, yeah, they got to be bad. Richard, I mean, this Baltimore team could be 0 and three next week. We have no idea, but like, let's touch on Gardner Minshu real quick because I think he is this, the next Ryan Fitzpatrick, if you will. This guy doesn't matter what team he's on. He just elevates the guys around him that should be elevated. I mean, we saw it all last year. DeVante for all intents of purpose of a down year.
Starting point is 01:21:37 And now as soon as Gardner Minshue gets behind the helm, he's Devante Adams again. And for all the fantasy football folks out there, they've got to be loving Gardner Minshue throwing Devante Adams as a football. This team gets a huge win on the road. But I think the bigger story here is like you touched on, the Ravens are going to go on the road against the Dallas Cowboys, fresh out of a home loss. They got demoralized by the Saints, Richard. I know you're probably happy to see it. Forty-four to nineteen, if I were to tell you that
Starting point is 01:22:11 yesterday, I mean, Richard, you probably think I was like spinning out on, you call it, the New Orleans Saints, who know, the Dallas Cowboys get drummed? Yeah, I mean, Mitchell, the Saints, the Saints, obviously you thought it's a mixed bag between Cowboys fans when they lost Dan Quinn. Some of them were like, man, what are we going to do without Dan Quinn? Rightfully so. And some were like good riddons. Ridiculous because I know he had Mike Zimmer in the box like it was Alvin and chip butts and their dad was screaming out, Alman! Because Mitchell, he was everywhere. He was everywhere. Four touchdowns on the day.
Starting point is 01:22:57 His balance, his contact balance is nothing like in the National Football League. and he's back, and the Saints haven't even paid him. He's on a contract year. They're not giving him an extension yet. He said he's not worried about it. But Mitchell, the price is going up and up and up. And I know people say, hey, the running back market, they're going to shortchange him.
Starting point is 01:23:16 You know, they're a diamond dozen. He's not a dime and doesn't. He's different. And he's different in New Orleans. 41 in New Orleans makes them a very formidable team. You can see his impact. You can see his value. And without him, they look like a whole different team.
Starting point is 01:23:29 And that has been the case for a number of years since he's been there. going back years. So hopefully they can figure that out and they can see this game and say, all right, all right, Alvin, we get it, we get it. Here's your money. Keep playing well. Derek Carr, his whole swagger was different.
Starting point is 01:23:46 I was like, who was this guy? He was in the end zone doing the, the Michael Jackson. I said, well, where are we at right now? You know, Rashin Shahid, they connected again on another long bomb, made this Dallas defense look like it didn't belong on the same field as them. They really blew them out, and the game wasn't even as close as it looked.
Starting point is 01:24:10 You don't see very often two competitive teams. The Cowboys were expected to be a contender. They were a playoff team last year, and not just a playoff team. They were a high-seated playoff team, and for them to get drug off the field like that at home by a team that not everybody, including myself, had as a legitimate contender, in the National Football League has us, you know, re-reading the script and re-looking at things like, hey, maybe the Saints.
Starting point is 01:24:39 The Saints are legitimate, you know, and them in Tampa are going to fight for this NFC South crown, and it's not going to be just for the last wild card spot, Mitchell, maybe for contention. That's what I'm saying, Richard. I mean, we talked about it going, we talked about it the last few years. this NFC South has just been the bottom dweller of the NFC. I mean, whoever they let come out of it was welcomed in the playoff and we had knocked out the first round. This year not so fast.
Starting point is 01:25:11 I mean, we see Tampa go on the road, beat my Detroit Lions, heartbroken by it. And then we see the Saints just absolutely wallop the Cowboys. Richard, I mean, heaven forbid the Falcons whoop on. the Eagles tomorrow, this NFC South might be looking like one of the better divisions in football. And it happens every year. It's just like the NFC East a few years ago. You just never know what you're going to get. And I want to introduce a little new segment. And we're going to expand on this as a week's go. But it's going to be a buy yourself, Richard. I'm going to proposition you on this. Buy yourself, New Orleans Saints winning the NFC South and winning a playoff game. That's a lot to buy, Mitchell.
Starting point is 01:26:02 You didn't just package it like a you put a lot of groceries in that cart. I like this defense. Obviously, the landlord Tyron Matthew had an interception in this ball game. My Stanford brother Paulson Adibo had a really cool interception in this game of Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott did not look good, probably one of the worst games he's had in the last few years. But Alvin Camero was the reason this offense looked as formidable. But I just, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:26:29 You know, when the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Saints play, you throw all the records, you throw all the, everything out of the window. It's going to be a dogfight, a backyard brawl. And that's how it's going to be for this division crown. But I got to give it to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, their experience, their scheme, their staff, Baker Mayfield, and the way he's been playing. Obviously, those two big-time receivers that defense with Antoine Winfield, Jr.,
Starting point is 01:26:58 Jordan Whitehead, Jamel Dean, Levanté David, Vita Vaya, you know, all the playmakers they have. I just think, you know, they've done it for a while. I have to put my money on who's done it before, who's been there. But this game definitely makes me question that, Mitchell, in a big way, because they made a huge statement versus the Cowboys, but I need to see more. They can change my mind, Mitchell, but it's not changed yet. Well, Richard, we will introduce more of those buy-sell segments as the weeks go on. This concludes we are done here Sunday night week two.
Starting point is 01:27:32 I know we got a huge game tomorrow. Richard, I will let you sign us off. Well, thank you guys for joining us again. Another Richard Sherman podcast. Congratulations to the Seattle Seahawks. And good luck next week. I think it's going to be a fun game. And good luck to the San Francisco 49ers.
Starting point is 01:27:50 Hopefully they get back on track and get this ship righted in Los Angeles or Levi's South as the faithful call. call it. It's going to be a fun week next week. Enjoy it. Enjoy your family and friends. Have a safe week weekend. Hit that subscribe button if you're new. Get you a clue. We'll see you next week. The volume. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.
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