The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Richard Sherman Podcast - Pete Carroll out in Seattle + Tashaun Gipson on 49ers' "Monstars" roster

Episode Date: January 12, 2024

Richard Sherman interviews San Francisco 49ers safety Tashaun Gipson Sr. and they chat about Gipson's journey, from playing with his brother at the University of Wyoming to becoming a 12-year NFL veteran. Tashaun compares Kyle Shanahan as 49ers head coach to his memories of Kyle as the Cleveland Browns OC, describes going against Brock Purdy, Christian McCaffrey, and the rest of the 49ers offense in practice, and talks about becoming a more vocal leader on the Niners defense after Talanoa Hufanga's injury. #volume #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Championship. That should always be the expectation. All right. Man, X. Go on here. Welcome back to the Richard Sherman podcast. And Pete Carroll being relieved of his head coaching duties in Seattle. It's been a long time.

He's been there 14 years, winning his coach in Seahawks history. Obviously, it's a decision that seems like it was made by ownership to move in a different direction. It looks like he'll still be a part of the organization in an advisory role. But I'm very surprised by this decision. Again, another winning season. They didn't make the playoffs. So I think that was the expectations. There was disappointment there.

But they've been consistent. They've been consistently a winning team. They've been consistently in these ball games. I think they took some really tough losses at the end of last season. But I did not see this coming. I did not see them letting Pete go. He's one of the only coaches in the history of football in general to win a national championship in college and win a Super Bowl. I think he's the greatest Seahawks coach of all time.

And that's not to be debated. At this point, he won them their only Super Bowl. I was on this team that one of the first. Super Bowl with Seattle. But it was a situation where I expected them to let Pete coach as long as he wanted to and be around as long as he wanted to. He instilled an incredible culture in Seattle. He's done a ton for the city of Seattle, for the city of L.A.

He's done a ton for football in general. You know, we're talking about the always compete mentality. It's going to be interesting to see what Seattle does from here. Obviously, they see the number of coaches coming on to the market, and it was something that they couldn't pass up. up similar to what the Tennessee Titans owner did, and they said there were things that they couldn't pass up. I don't know how you follow this up. You know, I think people are expecting grass being greener on the other side and something new and new is always better, but new isn't

always better. And I think Pete won a lot of games, took them to a lot of playoffs. We did a lot of special things in my time there. But, you know, if you're talking about hiring a guy like Dan Quinn, I can see that. I can see that being the reason you make a move like this. Give Dan an opportunity to come back to Seattle and still a similar culture, similar defensive game plan. Obviously, he coaches from the front to the back, bring a young, innovative offensive

coordinator in. And I think he's somebody that could do well in this environment. But outside of that, I think if they, you know, this decision can send this franchise one or two ways. I mean, I guess it's always a fork in the road kind of deal when you change head coaches after, you know, this guy being as special as he was to this city. 137 wins over his time here. I don't know. This is a head scratcher for this organization, but I guess you can appreciate him doing it now.

I would have guessed there's going to be a lot of changes on this staff. I don't expect them to retain very many people. So I'm interested to see what happens going forward, what the plan is, because I don't know. I don't know where they go from here. Obviously, they wanted to get in this quarter, I mean, this coach market. Are there more trades in place? Are there more changes afoot? I don't know.

I don't know. I don't think they go internal with the candidate. But I think this is a moment for the Seahawks to really make a tribute to everything he's done for this city, everything he's done for this organization. I'm sure John Snyder will stay on board, but maybe not. Maybe this is a situation where they cut ties and start anew. But I highly doubt that. I don't think that's the way you go in this situation. I don't think that would lead to a great future for Seattle to just, you know, fire everybody and start with a new front office, new head coach, new staff, new everything and think you're going to have a successful season next year.

But, I mean, this eventually had to happen. I just didn't expect it right now after the season they had. I thought maybe they'd let Pete go out on his own and make that decision similar to what I'm thinking. Patriots will do with Bill Belichick, but good for Pete. You know, maybe he, you know, he needed this break. You know, there's a lot more to life. I'm sure he'll still be around the organization and very involved in every decision making. Maybe he'll go into front office and he and John will help create another team and help guide the next head coach to success.

But you talk about the NFC championship games, you talk about all the all pros that have come through this organization from myself, Bobby Wagner, who's still with the organization on off another Pro Bowl season, Cam Chance, or Old Thomas III, great players like Michael Bennett, Cliff Avril, Doug Baldwin, Jermaine Curse, you know, Russell O'Kuhn played well, Marshawn, obviously Russell Wilson, you know, Brandon Browner got a Pro Bowl during his time here. Byron Maxwell was a great player, Jeremy Lane. And then you got KJ. Wright, you know, who was a captain on this team, a Pro Bowl player, an all-pro caliber player, Brandon Meebane, a guy, Red Brian, Chris Clemens, a number of guys that have come through, and this is just, you know, during my time,

then you got D.K. Medcaf, Tyler Lockett, Ricardo Lockett. I can go on and on and on about the special players that have played for this organization that he's brought in and he's changed the lives of both here and in Southern California. We can talk about it's philanthropy, but this is a shocking decision from Seattle. and I just don't know what they're going to do going forward. And that's my concern is it's big shoes to feel in a hard, and a hard spot to feel when a guy has had this success with an organization, and he's this beloved.

I know a few years ago there were conversations where guys might have wanted a new head coach and there were fans clamoring. Either it's going to be Russ or it's going to be Pete. And clearly, they've made the decision that it has to be Pete this time. And I'm not sure I agree with it. I am definitely not sure. I'm not sure the direction they're going to go. But I'm sure he's proud of his legacy,

proud of everything he's done, proud of what he's done for the city of Seattle. But my goodness, offensive philosophy is going to change. Defense of philosophy is going to change. personnel is likely to change. They have some foundational pieces. I think Leonard Williams will be there. I think Charles Cross and Abe Lucas tackles will be there.

Kenneth Walker III, J.S.N. D.K., obviously, Gno, I think, will be there. Bobby, I think, comes back. And he's coming off a Pro Bowl year. It'd be weird for them to get rid of him and have all this transition. But the safeties were both on contract years and Cawandre Diggs and Julian Love. You got to figure out what they're going to do with Jamal Adams. There's so many decisions to make. Jaron Reed is another guy that they're going to have to make a decision on

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Terms for eligibility and deposit restrictions, terms and responsible gaming resources. Welcome back to the Richard Sherman podcast. We got a great guest on, Tashon Gibson, Safety for the San Francisco 49ers, a really kingpin, lynchpin of this defense. How you doing, brother? Brother, I appreciate you for having me, man. I'm blessed, man.

You know, getting ready for this first round, by I'm happy about it. So, you know, that means a lot to me, man, for sure. Yeah, yeah. Y'all played well. This defense really changed when you kind of gotten to the, lineup. Talk about being entered into the lineup at the time you were last year and, you know, how you reacted because I know there was a time you thought maybe this is it. And then you got on this defense and boy, they have been a lot different with you in the middle of the field.

You have looked the same because you're still a ball hawk and getting to sideline to sideline, but you changed the complexion of this defense. Man, you know, Sherman, I appreciate it. It's just kind of one of them things where I got to that point in my career where last summer, man, I'm sitting at the house in this third week in August. And now you kind of tell yourself, each day that time get pushed back. Say, if I ain't signed by training camp, I'm hanging it up, man, full time, dad, full time. All right, middle of training camp, man, by that third preseason game, it's like, man, this might be it. Get a phone call.

Me and Jimmy Ward got the same agent. They tell us like, hey, man, we got bad news, good news. Bad news, Jimmy might be down. Good news. We won't get to come in and work out for us. And, you know, it's the first time ever happened to work out for a team before. So it was humbling, Sherm. Like, you know, it was humbling.

So I come Minnesota, I go work out. And, you know, everybody out there, all eyes on me. And it's just kind of like a cool thing, man. It just kind of made me go back to ground zero kind of, you know, all pride and everything aside. Man, you want to play in a national football league. You got to go out here and do it. And from there, it just was a whirlwind. I'd never forget Mr. Lynch set me down.

And he was honest with him. He said, hey, you know, right now, Jimmy, we love Jimmy. Jimmy, a great player. He just come off top 100. And he, like, you know, these first four games, going to be huge for you. My goal is for you to be here. You play well enough. We'll figure out how to work you in when Jimmy get back, but you control everything from here on now. And that's just kind of one of the things I respected about Mr. Lynch. I knew, I understood who Jimmy was. It never was a

situation where it's like, hey, this is what it is. It's like, hey, you stay here long enough to be on this roster. Stay here long enough. You do well enough. You play. And I guess the rest is history. I just kind of put my head down, man. I was like, that old dude didn't really talk to nobody. I just went out there, man, and I tried to work, man. And Huff, Huff was a huge, huge, huge, huge part in that, man. And I gave that, man, so much credit, that's my brother for life. No question. When you and Huff, and I said this after Jimmy went down,

I said, your chemistry on the field was something you could see immediately. I mean, people don't talk about it unless you're a defensive player and you see how the rotations go and how the guys adjust to each other. But you and Huff had such a good rapport. I said it before Jimmy even came back. I said, they're going to put Jimmy at nickel. And they're not separating them two right now, man. I'm sorry.

I love Jimmy to death, but they're not about to sit. They're not about to sit Gip on the bench and they're not about to sit huff on the bitch. Jim, you're going to have to come back here to play the nickel spot. They're going to put all you on the field, but them two ain't coming off. Best 11 got to play, Sherry, man. You know how that go. No question, no question.

And the way you were playing made it easy. Talk about like your mindset because you came in as an undrafted free agent. So your mindset is always got to go get it. But you came into one of the first. of the best defenses in the National Football League and elevated it, which is crazy. Sure. You know, it's kind of one of those things where, you know, I always walk around with that chip on my shoulder, man.

People have called me the former undrafted player before they call me the former pro bowler. That's just life. That undrafted title will always follow me no matter where I go, man. And I wear it with a chip on my shoulder. So I think that's been a huge blessing for me in a sense of, man, it just made me just stay humble and keep my head down and work, honestly. And, you know, when I came here, same thing. Just like, man, I just wanted to be the guy who didn't.

This defense was so good, man, and you been here just like, I didn't want to be that guy that stuck out in a bad way. And I think that that's the thing just kept me motivated, man. And having somebody like Huff, man, that dude has so much energy, man. And it's a big, it's huge not having a guy like that, man. And I know it's not just because of the relationship that we got. He's a heck of a player, man. And it's just this energy that he brings to a team.

It's just something different that you just can't replace. So having him, I tell people all the time, besides Fred, Huff is a guy you want to go and ask questions about this defense, man. This dude knows. Sometimes he had correct coaches. He'd be like, hey, is this supposed to be that? Like, he's just so studious to the game. So having him just telling me, like, you might see a mic'd up with Huff is just,

I didn't have to do nothing, Shirm. I ain't go out my first five games. Huff would be like, go right, go to the post, go down, go left, go right. So, you know, he took me back to elementary football where it's just like line up, play, play fast, go do your thing. Coach Miko, Coach D.B, they did a good job, but just slowing things down and let me get back used to. this system because you played in it. Seattle version, a little different than, you know,

solid when he came here, Amico. I played in it with Gus Jacksonville in Jacksonville. So the terminology was different. So I took a little time to get used to it. But once they let the rains go, man, it was just a match made in heaven in this defense. Man, I'm so fortunate that they gave me that opportunity. Bro, it's a match made in heaven. But it also speaks to your preparation and your mindset because you came in. And like I said, you elevate, you weren't just a tug in this defense. You weren't just a piece of this defense. You were getting picked after pick. I mean, you, you solidify in the middle of the field. There was no seams, no post. I know DB is still preaching it. There ain't no seams, no posing. It didn't sure it wasn't with

you back there. And, and then it was the open field tackling. It was open field tackling, preventing these big plays. People don't know how difficult that is to be in the middle of the field when something busts open and somebody got to get them down. And you did such a great job last year and doing it again this year. But it's not something I hear people giving you a lot of praise for it, which is, which is kind of frustrating to me because I'd be like, man, are y'all not watching this dude? Like, this dude has been killing. You had them, I would argue between this year and last year, I mean,

these are some of the best years of your career, I would say, you play really high level football. I agree with you. I agree with you, man. And I appreciate that. It just, I was saying, talk to my brother about it, man. And, you know, you always get to that age where people say, how long you want to play. You're just like, man, I just want to win this Super Bowl, man.

You know, that's why I tell people. But it's like what San Francisco, what the city, what this scheme, what the team did for for just my career. And I'm forever in debt. I'm so thankful because, like, you know, year 10 coming out of Chicago, things wasn't going the way that we wanted. Obviously, it's a lot of variables in a team game, but I didn't personally do what I needed to do.

I ain't go lie to you. So just rejuvenating myself, man, just a love for the game that I had last year. I mean, I'm forever thankful, man. The faithful, they brought me in, man, and they welcome me, man, and the coaches, they respect what I bring to the table. And you know how it is. You know, when you respect it and when you appreciate it, when you appreciate it, man, it just, it goes a long way.

No matter the accolades, no matter how much money you've made, anything, man. When you appreciate it, it goes a long way, man, just to be here and appreciate it. Not just by the coach, but the guys in the locker room. It just makes you just want to go harder. Man, I can't let my guys neck down, you know. And that's just one of the things for me, Sharn, where it just kept me going, man. Just like, man, I can't let these guys down. And that's just been my biggest thing since I stepped in here.

It's just like, make sure I do my 11th. Like, you know, I can't let a guy like Fred down. Right. Fred make you run through a brick wall for him, man. Love that dude, man. Like, you know, I can't let Huff down or Mooney me down or Dre. Man, these guys who put the, so I tell these guys all the time, man. I'm here for y'all, man.

I just want y'all to help me get to that big dance, man. And, you know, I'm going to do my OG part in this thing. But it's just been a blessing. Like I said, it's been really a blessing to be here for sure. As a dude who was an OG in that locker room when some of these dudes was young pups. Yeah. I feel you. Now they chiseled veterans.

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but I'm about to take you all the way back. Way back. I'm going to take you back to Kimball High School, and then I'm going to take you back to Laramie and playing with your brother. at Wyoming. You did just research. I see this.

Come on now. You could have been at me on this podcast, man. Come on, talk to me. Yeah. So tell me about it. You did everything in Lamarie. You played quarterback. You was a returner.

You was a, you was all district. You ran track. What took you to Wyoming? I mean, they gave Marcel a chance. So, you know, that was a cool app. And I'm a brother. I'm a little brother, too. Yeah, yeah.

So he got three years on me. And if somebody gave me the op to play with it, I'm taking it. Come on, man. Like, so, you know, so, so, so, to be honest, I wasn't heavily recruited. I think I had Fresno State of Idaho, like, you know, and those are my only office in Wyoming. So when it came down to it, my mom's really just, she's from California, so she really just didn't want me going to Fresno. Idaho.

I mean, you say, what's the difference between Idaho and Wyoming? Wyoming sound like Vegas compared to Idaho to me. You know what I'm saying? So at that point, no shade to Idaho, man. But, you know, I love my post, 307 now. Right. But, you know, when it came down to it, man, my brother being there, he was three years older to me, I never got to. chance to play one. Always looked up to him, idolized him. So he actually gray shirted. And then he

redshirted. So he was only going to his red shirt sophomore year. So as I'm coming in, the moment that they said, hey, you have an opportunity to start at cornerback next to your brother, man. That just, I didn't need to go on no visits. It was like, where do I sign up? You mean to tell me I get to play with the dude I've been idolized since little league was no brainer. And, you know, you get to layer me, man. And it's just been, it was a, it's one of those weird situations where you just fall in love with a place that's so unconventional, so different than what I'm used to. Man, I'm a city boy, man, from Dallas, Texas.

And going to Laramiel just was so different. You talk about it's green. The summers are different. The winters are different. And, man, you know, having my brother there, man, it made Arbonne even that much more tighter. And it's just, it just was something that. Man, I wouldn't never trade that, man. I would say I do that all over again.

I take my talents to 307 any day, man, if it meant that I got to play with my brother. Because those are memories. Sherman, I ain't go out to you. I'll never be able to, nobody can ever take. Just lining up next to your brother, man, saying like, man, you got my back. You're on that side. I'm on this side, man. It's so cool, man.

The memories that I take forever with me, man. So, you know, it was just, it was a cool situation for me to go up there and play with my brother. We started three years together. Best three years of my life, man, honestly, truly. No question. Bro, that's how I would imagine it be a player with your brother. Oh, man, it was smooth. Workouts together, practices together.

No, don't. Did y'all live together? We live together, everything. Man, it used to be we going games. I never forget we played Boise, man. They had a receiver, tight as young. Dude had wheels. My brother was like a four or three guy, man.

First quarter, man, dude run a big post. And it's just like my brother like, hey, I'm going to guard him for the rest of the game. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, you have these, the big brother instinct kick in. Like, you know, and it's just like them things, man, you think about little things like that.

I tell people all the time, I wasn't the best athlete in my family. I really feel like my brother had he stuck it out, man. brother, man, he probably the best football player that I've ever played when I know people say, like, I genuinely think to this day, man, he was a better, he was a better defensive back than me. And people say, ah, how that? Nah, I mean that, man. And you know probably you can, you can attest to it, man.

Some of the best ones, man, just didn't have that opportunity. Made it. I was fortunate enough to have that opportunity that he didn't, man. So, you know, without him, I wouldn't be here, man. And I shout out to my brother, man. Nothing but love, man. That's my dog, for sure. Man, no question.

I mean, I got a big brother that I tell people all the time. I wouldn't be half the player I was without him paving away. Without question. It's easier to go second. It's easier to be the second person in Lambie. Go down. Your brother was there. He was probably looking around like, I don't know.

He had to crawl for me to walk, sir. Man, I tell him all the time, and I appreciate you more than you ever know, man. Truly, man, that's some real stuff, though. And didn't you meet your old lady out there? Yeah, man. Like, you know, my, like, you know, got three kids, man. man, and, you know, so Laramie is, Laramie was, Laramie did, way, way more good than I probably could have ever imagined, man.

Truly, that's the truth. If I ever end up in Wyoming, I'm going to think of you. I don't know how. I know. I know all the places now. You know, I'm still connected, man. You just let me know where you're going through the 307, man, for sure. No question.

No question. I'm going to let you know. Now we're going to get back to these coaches and this game. Tell me what you've thought of Kyle Shanahan. Because I don't know if y'all crossed past when you was in Cleveland, or how that was, but how have you seen him as a head coach? Because his approach was totally different than I had with Pete Carroll. That boy, Kyle getting them team meetings, and boy, he is a professor.

Say, man, you know the funny part about it is it was so new to me when I first got here. And I got here after they played their first preseason game. I mean, the Vikings preseason game, and he coming at a Monday meeting, and he's going over every single play. We must have been in there for probably about an hour. hour, right? And I'm just sitting here and I'm like, man, I've never been a part of that. But when you get here and you get used to it and you realize like, man, this man is obsessed with ball. And it's hard for you not to want to play for a guy like that term because it's like,

man, this dude just love ball. Like, man, if I can't do nothing for these next six, seven months, these six, seven hours a day for this man, not just for him, but like, he loved it so much, man, it's just like, man, it's six hours of your day. Like, you know, he just was so different. And you could tell, like, football is always on his mind, man. These team mean sometimes you think they go for 10 minutes and they go for 50 minutes. And he just, he's going, man. And just my approach, I was with Kyle in Cleveland, 2014, man, the year I went to the Pro Bowl. So me and Kyle, we, I was young, man.

So me and Kyle, we really didn't kind of, you know, just kind of like pleasantries, man. I speak to him when I see him in the hallways on the field. Nothing too personal. But when I got here, man, I seen a different side of them, being able to talk to him a little more in a personal light, man. And it's just like, I could tell you this, man, Kyle. I was probably my favorite coach I played with it. I'm not just saying that because I'm here, but man, just the way that he take care of the players

that open door policy, man, like, he's a straight shooter. And you got to, you got to respect that. You've been around long enough, man. There's some guys that tell you one thing, and it's just like, it's always somebody else. It's like, hey, well, it's not my decision, but this cow is a straight shooter. What do he say he mean?

John, been nothing but a straight shooter to me, man. And the older you get, the more you can respect that. I can respect that, man. Like, yeah, man, tell me what it is. And besides that, it's just like, He take care as players, and that's why you see so many guys that got nothing but love and respect for Coach Kyle, man. And is everything perfect? No, coach he is.

Everybody going to have some complaints. You've been in a locker room before. Complaints is always heard in every locker room, man. But I tell you what, man, it's a locker room full of guys, man, that run through a brick wall for Cal, man. He's just that type of guy, man. He command that type of respect. And, man, the guys rally behind him, man, and I'm proud to be a part of this for sure. No question.

No question. That open door policy, especially for vets, it's totally different because you almost appear with him. You know what I mean? Kyle, Kyle, only what, 41? So the conversations aren't like, you know, I used to be talking to Pete Carroll. Right, right, right. 68 years old, 70 years old.

And it's like, okay, there's a certain regard. But when you're talking to Kyle, and he's 4, 5 years older than me. He's like, he kind of like your peer. You're right. That's the truth. That's the truth. And I appreciate how he always took care of the vets.

He's asking you questions. Like, hey, you good? You need a day? Like, how are your legs? Like, all the time. Every coach isn't like that. No doubt. And then you translate it to his football knowledge and his schematic knowledge.

You're going to games, like, be excited to get on the sideline and watch the offense. Like, let me see if they're going to run that play. I don't sit down, Sharn. Man, like, them boys, it's so crazy what he doing on that offensive side, man. It's like I've never seen nothing like it. Like, it's wild, man. I remember him and Jimmy G that year that they were six and ten before they turned, but I think the year before you may have got here, like sliced and dice.

The Jimmy G may have had his best game. Man, our defense that year in Jacksonville was, I mean, nice, man, everywhere. Oh, Saxonville. Saxonville, man. They, Jimmy G. strut us for three. Man, that man may have perfect passer rating on us, man. We had a number of pro bowlers back there. Kyle, like, we was just all over the place, man.

I said, man, this offense is different right here, man. So, Kyle know what are you doing on the offensive side? Did you ever during training camp or anything get to the point? Because we used to duel in training camp, and he used to be drawing up some nonsense. He'd be like, bro, you, you cheat, you know what he running. I said, he know that, he knows, he know the weaknesses, man, Kyle to run some stuff, man, to have your head spinning, and you just like, ain't no way you thought we could have defend this play.

Like, no, man, like, you give him something like that, man, no, plenty times in training camp like that. That's what made it fun, man. That's what made us, that's what made us compete. That's what made it in a training camp practices. One thing about it, you're going to get your due out of them training camp practices, man, to the point where the games are either. And that's one thing.

You don't respect why you in it. Yeah, man, you 33. This year 12. Man, them training camps was hard, sir. But when you get to the game, you say, this is what those practices was for. This is easy now. So, you know, man, I have so much respect for Coach in the hand for sure. Well, can we talk about how talented this team is?

Because I know you played on good teams. You played on great teams. You were a reason the teams were great in Cleveland. You played on that Saxonville team with Calais and y'all had Jaylin and you and, you know, y'all had a really good team. but let's talk about because it's you look up and down the roster you talk about you you talk about Nicholas John Bosa Eric don't get enough credit and now you got Chase Young you got Trent on the other side Debo Brandon Christian Brock Fred Greenlock I mean we go on and

on it has to feel good going into a game when you're watching and you're going to practice with these guys and do you ever catch yourself like man it's some of these some of them boys right now You know the crazy part about it is I think I want to say Philadelphia game. And you sit back and I looked and I think the game had kind of started getting away. And I think one of our last series is like these boys can't move the ball. And you just look around you. And I mean, like we're missing an all-pro safety. So we ain't even talking about our first team all-pro safety that we're missing.

So to look around and see this, I can't help but just thank God, man, that I was putting this right situation because like, You see a Nick Bosa, man. Selfless, dog. Like, man, best defensive player in the league, no matter what the stats look like, the impact that man make is different. Fred, truly a top five defensive player in the league, man. Like, I mean, I don't think people know exactly what Fred do. People know, but you look around, you got these.

It's like the month stars, man. Like, how can you decide? I'm on space, man. I'm living a dream. You got all these dudes back here. I just got to do my job, man. I just got to be in the right place, man. So you sometimes you look at that,

and not even talking about the guys on offense, man, the way Purdy is operating. You got guys like B. I.U. Who just, we've seen it during training camp, but what he's done this year, man, it's different. We know what Debo do. Debo is Debo, man.

Best player with the ball in his hand and kill him. Best tight end in the National Football League. So you look at this, man. How can you not just walk in here and be like, you don't like to look ahead, but it's like, man, this is a Super Bowl caliber team just from talent alone. We ain't talking about the schematics or anything like that.

We're talking about talent alone. And I'd be remiss, man, if this wasn't the year. And I don't like to talk too far ahead. You know how I go. But, man, this is the most talented team I've ever been a part of. And when I say it's not close, it's remotely not close. Yeah, I would agree. It's hard to argue that with who you got.

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So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on this. table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history.

Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And then you talk about yourself who's having a great season, lowest passerating among safeties. You talk about Charverius Ward, who got five interceptions, and over the last Last 18 games. You're my dude, Mooney his dude, man. Come on, sir. Strapping.

What? Demo, too. Don't forget about Demo, man. Demo, man. Demo, my favorite player, man. Bro, come on. All they do is ask Demo, hey, play on the outside.

Hey, Charvarius, when he injured. Go follow the best receiver. Play safety if you got to. Play safety. All right. Now, play nickel because we need you to play nickel now. Man, talk about versatility. But Mooney is on some other stuff right now.

And I don't think he's giving enough credit. I agree. with you. I told him yesterday in the team meeting. You know, you have you, we had a real talking, man. That's one of the things I told them. And I hope that you get everything that you deserve a pro bowl just ain't enough for the way that you've been playing. Mooney deserved more than just

a pro bowl bid, man. I think, I just can't see four cornerbacks being on an all protein that's been playing better than him when you talk about when you turn on a tape, not name by name basis, obviously, man, I got love for those guys. Jay Ram is my dude, man. And obviously he's the top tier. But when you

look at these guys and you say, Like, man, it's hard to say that Mooney don't belong up there, man. So, you know, I'm happy he on my team, for sure. All he needs to do is just catch him. He catching him now. And he catching him. And he's catching him. He's catching him.

He puts him one. I said, okay. Yeah, he's catching him. Couldn't be more proud of my dude, young moon, man, for sure, for sure. Yeah, I would guess he's going to be on somebody's all pro team. You know, I think, I think obviously it's tough to argue the names, but he's on one of the best teams in the league. He's playing these big games. He's playing well in him. He's going to play well in these playoffs.

No doubt. And, you know, now that he ain't wearing 35 in Kansas City, you know, he's getting a lot more respected. For sure. That 35 in KC was a little. I say, Mooney, you can't expect him to love you with the 3-5 on, man. I ain't going to lie. The seven looks. The seven makes me want, you got to be all pro at seven.

35. I don't know if we could sneak 35 in a pro bowl or nothing like that. It's tough. But the seven, we can get the seven. Yeah, you look. You look like something out there, for sure. For sure, it looked like something. Now I want to talk about Steve Wilkes

because, you know, y'all was playing good football and lost a few games, lost the three games in a row. They had that BS penalty in Cleveland. We ain't even going to go there. You know, I was ready to break. I said, y'all, goddamn league. But they brought him out the boot

and he was on the sideline. Has that really made the difference that people are making it out to be because now you see in the energy, You see them interact with players. It does seem like it's bringing a different energy to this defense. You know, one thing that you can appreciate is one thing. I appreciate guys doing what works for them.

And I don't think that it was as a bigger deal as it was initially made, but I will say having him on the sideline, being able to heal things off of his, he comes to you say, hey, what you like, what you don't like. You don't get that type of interaction when he's upstairs. Like nobody's getting on the phone. When you sit there, he'd tell you like, hey, what do you like? And me, multiple players he'll tell you, come talk to him, hey, we don't like this, coach. He filled a game and he said, like, hey, you know what, we ain't going to run this no more.

And just that energy, just that, that timing of him being on the sideline, feeling it. Like, hey, I know that this is not working. I could feel your energy. Let me switch it up. Let me call something else. You don't feel that in a boot. You know what I'm saying? Well, you call Anahon 15 times in a row.

Like, you know, you're not feeling that. You call him too much links, man. Like, you got to feel. But no, man, I think that it's been a huge thing because, like, he listened to his players. And a lot of defensive coaches, some of them do, some of them don't. He's not stuck in his ways. His adjustments, man, his top tier. And that's the biggest thing, the energy that you get.

Do passionate. He really like a cat, like he a cool old. He like that cool, man. Like, you can just talk to about anything. But, man, he's so passionate about the game. And he passionate about what he do. You can just feel that. And when you feel that with him.

him, it's just kind of one of those things where it's like, man, I'm happy that you down here with us, you're down here and it's fire with us and you feel it. No question, no question. It looked like it. It looked like it's made a different. It looked like it's where he should have been. I'm sure there was something in his career that was like, I might be able to see it better from the booth.

Right, right, right. I think it's been great on all, you know, on all fronts. And then you got DB. I love DB. Come on. DB, one of the best coaches and he never get no credit. So I try to give him love at every turn I can. He work hardest, anybody in the building.

He's always prepped. He's working with the safeties usually. And so tell me about your relationship with him. Man, you know, funny thing, man, me and D.B. go way back. DB was, when I signed with Jacksonville, about seven years ago, signed my first deal, DB was the first time. That was his first time in the league. And, man, when I tell you, Sherman, like, man, I was a young dude.

So, you know, I have this deal, man. And, you know, I'm just supposed to be this vet guy, I'm 25 years old. Me and D.B., we always had a great relationship. I just wasn't the most mature guy back then. Like, you know, that comes with time. Oh, man, but one thing about DB, man, he was the same way when I first got in the league. And he's now at this point, without him, the success that we have on the back end, man, DB gets so much credit, man, because he's so detailed in his work.

You come in there, man, whether it's having us coming in extra, he's giving us nuggets. Well, when this stuff's showing up in a game, it's really translating. It's like, hey, man, and I don't think DB get enough credit. He's another guy who's, he's a coach Calh, Calh, that type of guy. He loved sleep, eat drink, think football. You can't have a normal conversation with DB without him bringing up some football stuff, man. Like, you know, that's just a testament to how much he love his craft. And he loved being here.

He love coaching the guys, man. And the guys riding around him. Now he got the room. I know he was the assistant when you was here. Now he got the room, man. And it's just like his vibe is a little different, man. And you respect the way he move. And, man, I got so much love for DB, man.

We connected for life, for sure, man. No question. Yeah, I feel the same way. We still text to this day. All day, man, good dude. He deserve a D.C. job, and I'm sure he's going to start to get some calls. You know, now that more guys are starting to get, at slow, get an O.C. job.

I mean, the head coach job. He deserved whatever going to come D.B. Way. No doubt about it. No question. Well, I know it's, I know it's time for you to get some rest. I mean, I've been enjoying this conversation. You know, we don't talk to you all day, man. You know I can talk to you all day.

You played with Sip too, huh? Bandsip, my guy. Yeah, I played with Sip, man. Yeah. You know Sip came through for a set? I got many funny stories about Sip, man. Got love for Sip, though. Me and Sip go way bad.

That's my dude for sure, though. Boy, Sip, Sip a ball hope, but Sip be trying to stang people, boy, every chance he gets... Sip would give you 140, 140 tackles, man. You put him in that box. Hokey rules, man, he down there. You're going to get active, for sure.

Good old Hokey rules. Look, Kham would be proud. Cair would be proud. They put him in for him for him. Them Hokie rules, they took him to Jacksonville. Took him to Jacksonville, man. Good old Hokie rules. Man, Sip love it, man.

man, Sip got paid, man. Sip got paid them poker rules, man. No doubt about it. Sharmam, I appreciate you, dog. I appreciate you finally having me, man. No doubt about it, man. Hey, y'all, y'all get to, you know what I mean? Knock on this, will.

Y'all get to February and Vegas. We're going to have this conversation. Run it back. Run it back. You know I got you. Hey, Sharon. I appreciate you, G. Appreciate you.

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