The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Richard Sherman Podcast - Seahawks' Tyler Lockett on Geno Smith, Russell Wilson & Pete Carroll

Episode Date: December 29, 2022

Richard Sherman interviews Seattle Seahawks WR Tyler Lockett and the former teammates discuss the differences between Geno Smith and Russell Wilson, how Pete Carroll has changed his approach this season after trading Wilson to the Denver Broncos, and how rookies Tariq Woolen and Kenneth Walker III are providing a bright future for the Seahawks. Lockett gives an update on his injury status, his availability in Seattle's Week 17 matchup with the Jets, and why he had to hold himself back while live tweeting the Seahawks' loss to the Chiefs this past Sunday. Lockett clarifies his "credit" comments from earlier this year and gives his take on why he and DK Metcalf remain underrated. #volume #herd #colincowherdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My guy, Tyler Lockett. I call him noe. Nobody knows why because apparently I'm old now and there's not another. to lock it on the team. But I appreciate you joining me. How are you doing? Man, I'm doing good, man.

And if you old, then I mean, I'm still young because I came in way, way after you. Right. And you're the vet vet now. You're the super vet. Right. I didn't, I didn't been here so long, man. I didn't see draft classes come and go. That's when I knew it was.

I'm like, dang, man. Do you remember when you were all innocent, you thought the league was just a, you know, sunshine and rainbows? This is a cool place. I remember when I, the first day I got there, they said, shoot off. It's way different from K State. I might enjoy being here. I practice was like an hour and a half.

Right. That's it. Right. And you've been there ever since. You've been thriving. How's the hand doing? The hand is doing pretty good, man. Honestly, I think, you know, I'm kind of blessed in the situation that I'm in just because it wasn't like it was a broken hand to where I had to sit out.

know, for four or five months and that was the end of my season. I actually got a chance to be able to see how much work I could put in just to be able to come back out and try to be able to play and help the team. I don't understand, Noe, because you've been balling, you know, this is your umpteenth season of being consistent and you need a couple more yards for your thousand. But you and D.K., just like, they always just act like y'all not out there bowling, you're not killing. And that goes for a lot of people.

Why do you think that is? You know, I mean, you've been doing it for a long time. K came on the scene and he's been playing at a high level, but it's still no matter how many yards and touchdowns, you're second all time in touchdowns in Seahawks history, but people still don't give you that love. Yeah, you know, I really don't know why, bro. It's one of those things where ever since I got here,

I mean, even when you were here, like Doug didn't get any love too, you know, and Doug was phenomenal with everything that he did, the releases, being able to catch the ball. I don't know if it's just kind of a Puget sound thing out here that a lot of people don't get the chance just to be able to watch us. But I mean, I've kind of come to a place, man, where I've accepted the fact that the best I might ever be

in a people's minds is underrated. And, I mean, that's okay because it seems like underrated is the most consistent thing they could say because they can't say he's top 10 or top 15 because then that means he's better than underrated. And so underrated is a way to just say he's good,

but we're not going to acknowledge him as a player that we probably should stats-wise. so we're just going to continue to keep it underrated. Right, but it's frustrating because it was frustrating for me when Doug was there. That's why I was thankful Doug at least made the Pro Bowl and got people to see it at least one time. You know what I mean? They should have saw his old career, but they at least got to acknowledge his greatness for that year. But I don't know, man.

Are you excited to come back this week because they needed you last week? Obviously, you wouldn't have been out there with your shirt off. No, yeah. I'm not going to say, I'm not going to say, you know, build like everybody else, but it would have just been a different kind of shirt off. you know, experience. I told the receivers either I wasn't going to go out there until it was time to catch punts or I would have been out there no shirt compressions.

Just like T.O. Oh, man. But no, man, I'm not going to lie, man. It's hard just being able to watch the game. Like, you know, when I knew I wasn't going to be able to play, I was just like, man, it's going to be tough just watching the game. Especially I went to K-State. It would have been like a home game for me.

You know what I mean? All the K-State fans was there. My dad played with the Chiefs. It was a game that I was really looking forward to. And then, you know, for something like that to happen, I was like super frustrated. But at the same time, like I said, man, it was one of those blessings in disguise to where I felt like I get a week off. I get my mindset right. And, you know, when we talk about this underrated and stuff too, it's like I get a chance to go to another place in my career because I never had surgery and had to come back and play.

So now it's like I get the tap into that new mindset, that new hunger, that new, you know, motivation, especially with these two games left. And then there's no telling what can happen. It's like, all right, like, remember why you grind it. Remember, you know, what it was like when you were training for camping in the offseason just to be able to get right. It was like, that's what that week was for me. It was super frustrating. I couldn't rest mentally out going through it just because I was like, it's now or never. Right.

Hey, hey, you gave me chills. Like, you got me motivated. No, he's like, let's go get, because anything can happen these last two weeks. You've got to happen, though. You got to have the last two. No, you're right. And you, you as a leader, you know, I mean,

they missed you more than your production, your leadership. I mean, I remember when you didn't say nothing. Well, you always had your spoken word and your great advice, but, you know, you weren't speaking as much. But now you're obviously a leader and a captain of this team. You were live tweeting during the game. You know, that had to be totally different for you. I had to watch what I said because I didn't want to get fine.

I told myself, I might have to retire and then say what I want to say, and they come back next week. It was so bad, man. Like, you know, but it's like we see that as players, too. Even when we're done playing, we see the stuff that fans could say are just people in general. And they could get frustrating. But at the same time, it's just like, man, if they was in that position, they probably do the same thing or probably couldn't even do it at all.

Right. People get mad at me for catching the ball and I get what I could get and fall. And it's like, they think that's all that I do. And it's like, all right, well, why don't you have people like Fred Warner and Bobby Wagner punching the ball out 24-7 to see what you do? No, no way. You ain't all your own people, no explanation. Like, that's why I'm sitting there listening to people talk.

And it's like, there's no winning with y'all. The man is got 150 yards. and you don't want him to get an extra yard. But then if he get injured and he out for two games, then y'all are like, oh, why didn't you just get down? Like, you never going to please him. No way. You stay up and get injured, they're mad.

You get down and get what you can get. They're mad. You know what? Your pockets is filled. Your teammates is happy. How all you can worry about? Man, I heard this pastor say this. My mom had me listen to it a long time ago.

He said whether you chase your dream, people are going to talk. And if you don't chase your dream, people going to talk. So the one thing that you do know is whatever you, choose to do, people still going to talk. People going to talk. They're going to criticize. I mean, I ain't the most religious, man, but they say they criticize Jesus. They can criticize Jesus knowing. Goddain. Ain't nobody got a chance.

Man, at the end of the day, bro, what I've learned is this game is about durability. Because even like me missing this game versus Chiefs, like people don't understand. That's the next man up mentality. And when people step up and people start bawling, then it starts to bring in curiosity. Like, ooh, do we really need him? him anymore. Like, do we want to pay him this much? Like, people don't understand the business side of it. You know, so even when I got the opportunity to be able to like step in and get more targets and stuff, it was unfortunate because that's when Doug was kind of dealing with his injuries and stuff.

But people don't understand that next man up mentality. And that's how a lot of people get opportunities. And you don't, you don't pray on people's downfall. But it's like you don't really get opportunities unless, you know, something happens. And then you step in and play. And that's the unfortunate part of about football because you want everybody to win because there's enough success and love and and all that stuff to go around. No question. And speaking of ball and obviously you had Russ last year and Gino came in and everybody had the conversation like, what is Gino going to be? He's been a backup for a while. He has been struggling and he come out there striking. And Gino is striking. He gets a pro bowl year. How happy are you for him?

Man, I'm real happy for Gino, man. Just to be able to see how far he's come, like his story. Like everybody's story in the NFL isn't the same. And when you kind of sit down and you talk to people, it kind of just reminds you like the mentality that you got to be able to have to keep fighting. Because not everybody gets to come into the league their first year and be able to beat everything that they was in college. And so sometimes you got to be able to be patient. You got to wait your turn.

Like we said, the next man up mentality. And just for him to just continue working, continue grinding, like staying in it. Because he's been out of it for so long, bro. So just to mentally still be able to stay in it and mentally still be able to do that work in the offseason as if he was preparing to be able to play. Like I think that's the stuff that goes past people's mindsets because they don't understand like for what, six, seven years he didn't really have a chance to play. Imagine chasing a dream for six, seven years and you had to wait until year, year 10 or 11 just to be able to finally get your shot. And once he got that opportunity, bro, like you could tell he was ready. like you could tell like he wanted it

and I'm just really happy that like the world is starting to notice like who he is as a person, the type of quarterback he was but I mean I seen him when he was playing Call of Duty. I love it. I love it. You saw the greatness in the Call of Duty game, huh?

Oh man, I knew I either had to be on my stuff and he'd going to say, where's my team? Where's my team? So I had no choice but to come through. Right, right, right. So how different is that? I'm not sure Russ plays video games, but it got to be different. I mean, I've never played video games to my quarterback.

But that had to be, I mean, I heard Patrick Mahomes talk about it. You know, I heard Juju Smith Schuster, their relationship kind of got built over call the duty and things like that. Like, does that help the on-the-field production? Well, I think everything goes hand in hand. I think, like, you know, even when Russ was here, I think the thing that helped me out, too, was like, when you get to know people outside the field, You know, you kind of get to hang with people outside and kind of see what their interests are and stuff like that. And you find similarities. Like just conversations, even with me and you, like, you start learning how people think. And it's weird how, like, that translates to the field because sometimes it's like I could have seen Russ running around.

And I seen him turn before he ever even turned. And then I'm able to just get, you know, get out of my route and try to go get open. And so I think it's similar like with Gino, like, you know, we started talking more and more off the field, like when we started playing. in the game a lot. And when you play the game a lot, it's like you learn different strategies, you learn different techniques. Like, do you want to be aggressive? What type of team do we have? Like, we can't be as an aggressive, you know? And so there's so many things that you learn, like, along the way when you got to learn how to play with different teammates and stuff like that. Some people want to be the captain. And Gino's like, no, I'm the captain. Like, I'm the quarterback. Y'all listen to me. You know, so it's really interesting. But the biggest thing is like,

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There's talking about the selflessness of the team and sacrifice. Like, do you think that mindset? And where did that come from? What is that, you know what I mean? Where did that come from? from in your mind and has that helped the team a lot this year? Man, it came. So when we was playing basketball in high school, our coach, Shea Seals,

just to always say it, he used to come up with a quote. And we all used to be like, bro, this dude can't stop giving quotes. But it was like, you never know when you're going to need it, you know. And like, for me, when you come to the league, it's not like college, because college is more like a team thing, like it's team oriented. But you get to the league and it's like they teach you how to be a business like sole proprietor. Like it's all about you got to look out for yourself. And I think like with that mentality is hard to kind of like get a group of guys together

to be a team. And so I think for me like just being able to still have that same approach of like, okay, stats doesn't matter as much as people say stats matter. But then it's like, but stats is what gets you paid. You know what I mean? So you got to be able to find that balance. And so for me, it kind of helps me like stay steadfast. Like I'm balanced in my approach.

because it's like I don't want to get too selfish to where it's all about me. Because at receiver, the only way to choose shine is if you get the ball. You know what I mean? Like they don't really talk about you making blocks like that or you being able to run routes to get other people open. But those are other aspects of the game that help you and that help your team. So I think for me, like when we talk about like it's amazing what we can accomplish when no one cares who gets the credit, I mean, you know, it sounds cliche, but I think

of y'all as a defense. I used to kind of define it by that a little bit when y'all had L-O-B out there. It was like it didn't matter who got the pick. Like, you know, if it was Bobby, y'all was over there happy and celebrating. If it was Earl, y'all were celebrating. If Cam had a hit, it was like y'all were celebrating as if it was you making the play. And so it was like, you know, that's something that I was trying to learn how to be

able to do as an offense. And so, you know, I think early on in the season, I think it's helped us out a lot because, you know, we got such of a young team too. We have that team-oriented feel and we don't have to get caught up in. I need to get my yards. I need to get these touchdowns. I need to get these throws. It's like we could kind of just go out there and play and kind of like symbolic

what it's like to be able to play in high school and college again. It's been really cool to watch the evolution, you know, because beginning of the year there was so much like turmoil and controversy, you know, and division, especially when you talk about the Pete and Russ, you know, I mean, even before the year, before everything happened, And, you know, they were talking about firing Pete and what they're going to do with Russ. And then, you know, the trade happened. Then you got, well, Pete's going to be lost.

How has that affected your mindset in terms of like leading the team? You know what I mean? Because you knew it was going to be a lot on his plate. He had to be different this year a little bit. You know, I know Pete is total regiment and straight, like, I'm going to say the same jokes. I'm going to tell the same stories. I'm going to talk about the psychology of the game. But he had to feel it a little bit.

You can tell a little bit in his press conferences that he kind of like felt the relief and felt, you know what I mean? Like he was jabbing back a little bit more this year than I think he's ever had. Have you seen a difference in him? Yeah, I think I have seen a difference in Pete. I would say like to start it off, I think it was hard being able to lose Russ. Like that's the first quarterback I was able to play with for seven straight years. You know what I mean? And you just get used to knowing like, okay, he's going to leave the team.

Like, you know what I mean? I just got to be able to follow suit. Like, I just got to do my part. Like, whatever you need me to do, like, I got you. Like, so it's like for seven years, I was able to grow little by little each year into being able to have a different position. And then all of a sudden, you know, then we let Bobby go as well. And it's like, well, our two main leaders who we depend on, who we rely on, who we listen

to, who can kind of steer the ship because they've been here, like, almost throughout a decade. it was able to help us, you know, like me, Al Woods, Quindre Diggs, Jamal Adams, and many more players, like, even Gabe Jackson. But now that we lost them, it's like we've all had to be able to step up in our own way to where we don't want one person to just steer the ship. And so I think Pete's done a great job and just being able to allow us to explore other options. Like, you know, we've always had three captains.

But now he made it to where like, okay, we can have four now. maybe we can have five or more because you never know what a title brings and how other people can be able to step up in that position to like help us be successful. But sometimes when we only we would have, we would have three, like I wouldn't want to speak up. Like Quindre wouldn't want to speak up. You know what I mean? Because we don't want to overstep anybody's toes. But now like since we lost our two best leaders, we kind of created this thing that works for us where it's like, man, it doesn't matter if you play or if you don't play. Like if you see some, speak up, like, because we got to be able to keep each other accountable

because we lost, like, the two best players that help us stay accountable. No question, no question. You see something, say something. But tell me about how Russ's leadership helped you grow and the things you learned from him and the things you learned from Bobby. You know, those are two great players for a long time, and they had to rub off on you. Oh, yeah, man.

I mean, you almost had no choice for everything to rub off on you. Like, it's like when you're in a room full of wise people, Like you're going to come out and you're going to remember a whole bunch of stuff in that conversation that may be different when, you know, you're around people that don't know how that much acknowledges them. So it was just sitting there being able to talk to Bobby, like, you know, to start off with him, like, man, you know, we're talking about how you and him branched off and became your own agent. You know, being able to learn like different segments like that, like being able to learn from Bobby about some of the work he does outside in the community. people don't understand. They think players don't never do anything. And it's like, no, we do.

We just don't want the credit. You know, when you watch, like, how Bobby has always been a pro, he goes about his business. He doesn't say much, but he doesn't have to because when he speaks, everybody listens. You know what I mean? It's like, it's really cool to be able to see. And, I mean, you also see it like when he's over there with the Rams,

like how everybody's talking about him and stuff. It's like, well, I mean, that's how he always been. You know what I mean? he's always been that person at a lookout for you. I needed to talk to him like in 2020 and he sat outside with me and talked to me. Like, you know, and it's weird talking to a grown man, bro. Like, don't get me wrong. Like, you don't never want to tell people what's going on with your life.

But it was like he was able to sit there and talk to me. And I mean, and this is the same with Russ too. Like the things that I've learned from Russ, like his approach to the game, like he wants to be great. Like he wants to be the best. Honestly, bro, I don't think I've ever seen a time when he came into the building and he wasn't ready to work. You know what I mean? And so sometimes when you have people at that mindset, that's like, I'm going to do whatever it takes regardless of what it is that I got to do, you want to be able to attach yourself to that. And you want to be able to say, look, bro, it don't

matter. So for me, it's like, it don't matter if it's cold outside. It don't matter if it's snowing. This is my job. Like, I can't make any excuses. So it's like the things that I learn from Russ is, is like there's no excuses to what it is that you're trying to accomplish in his life. Like either you're going to do it or you're not going to do it. And so just to be able to see his approach, to be able to see how he would take the lead in things. And that's the biggest thing I've learned as a captain is Penny Hart said that he was like, it's hard to be a captain and be a friend. And, you know, when you're a captain, it's going to be some words that have to be said.

You're going to have to call people out. You're going to have to keep people accountable. and that's the stuff that we don't like because, you know, relationships go in this league. But when you're a captain, like, you on that thin line of like, all right, let me learn how to speak to people. I got to learn how to meet people where they're at. I can't talk to everybody the same. You got to be able to know.

And so those are the things that I've kind of learned, bro. And it's interesting because you even take that approach with the coaches. It's not just the players, but you got to know how to talk to the coaches. You got to understand how to talk to the players. and that stuff helps you a long way even when you're married. That's what I'm learning as I'm engaged. Bridge it's in there, Lord.

Boy, I'm telling you, it's hard to keep a girl happy, but just do your part. Yeah, do your part. Look, look, understand, and that's a huge part of leadership in general, leading a football team and being a leader and having guys look at it. It's not about pleasing everybody.

It's about having respect and love for everybody and understanding, hey, hey, I need more from you. and you ain't got an MF, nobody to get more from. Hey, there's a way I can talk to you to say, hey, you got to be better than this. And I know you are better than this. Then they say, you suck. Man, what are you doing? No, that ain't, that ain't going to get you the results you're looking for.

It's like, hey, come up to you. Hey, brother, let's work. Let's work. Let's, hey, what can we do to improve this? Like, I know you better than this. We know you better than what's going on so that we can get you to play how you used to play and how we know you can play. And I think that's something I learned, I mean, throughout my time in Seattle and my time in San Francisco, you know,

and they were just looking at me like an old man, is that it ain't about being liked by everybody. It's when everybody knows that we're working towards the same thing and we're working in the same direction and that your every action is working towards that, then there's nothing but respect there. Nobody's going to be upset with that. If winning is their goal,

if winning a championship in the Super Bowl is their goal, then they'll never get upset because they'll know that every action that you're doing, every movement, every thought that you're processing is moving us in that direction. Hey, yes, sir. Yes, sir. And that's why Bobby,

I'm sure Bobby ain't what didn't feel uncomfortable at all in that conversation. Like, that's what we lose in the black community sometimes. Like, we feel like we can't talk to each other as grown men and talk about our issues, talk about our problems, talk about it, you know, what's going on and help each other.

You can. Yeah, you can. I mean, my thing is you can, but like the way society is, bro, they want you to be vulnerable. and then as soon as you're vulnerable, that's when they tear you down. Yeah, but you know,

a locker room ain't really a society. Oh, no, in the locker room, bro, you can be as vulnerable as needed because that's the thing, bro, like these are not only your teammates, but like these are your brothers. And like, this is why businesses try to be able to, like, emulate

what we do on the football field and what we do within, you know, our team because it's like, how do you all come to play every single day? Well, I mean, some people want to play for money. some people play for their faith in God, some people play for their family, some people play for them. But you got to be able to like talk to everybody because not everybody's going to come in all the time, just ready to go. There's only a few people that's like that. And so some people are going to be down.

They're not going to feel like practicing. And you got to go talk to them and be like, hey, bro, like whatever you need, I'm right here with you. And even when I start going through it, I got to be able to have people that say, hey, I'm right there with you. And so like for me, the biggest thing I've learned throughout my life, Sherm, it's just, you know, relate to people. You know what I mean? Like, so when I talk to people and they say, man, I struggle with this or I do this and then I'm like right there with you. Me too.

And then I start telling them stories. And they'd be like, whoa, I'm like, don't repeat that. Right, right, right, right. Between us, but look, we hear. Yeah, like, only use it if you got to help somebody or something. But just know at the end of the day, if it does come out, like at the end of day, like at the end of day, I struggle just like you struggle, but we all in this together. Like, and that's the biggest thing I told people when they asked me, like, who was your best

teammate? I always say you. But it's just like, but it's because like it amazed me how you would always stay out there with people, even if you knew they might not make the team. And it was just the fact that I'm like, you're just sitting there teaching them and teaching them. And, you know, you would think like, oh, like, okay, if it was somebody like a Tarik Woolen, he's having an amazing year that you.

would teach somebody like him because you see how great that he can be. And it's like, okay, like I helped him because of that. But it was like, no, it didn't matter who it was. Like if they were good, if they weren't as good, if they belonged in the league or not, like you took out the time to listen. You took out the time to help him. And when they asked me, like, what was some of the best advice you got? I told him one was from my dad who talked about like, you're going to see a lot of people

out there that's great at what they do. But just remember, they drafted you because they already. liked what you do and what you bring to the table, so never changed that. And then the one that I would tell them that you told me was that you're going to lose a lot in practice, but you're going to win a lot in the games. And I mean, a lot of that was because of the defense we were going against for sure. But you said that you talked about how the games were going to be a lot easier than practice. And when I learned that approach, I was like, man, like my rookie year, I'm like, bro, this is way easier than I expected. But you had to be able to understand that, okay, you might

lose, you're going against like the best safety in the world, the best corner in the world, the best strong safety in the world, you know what I'm saying? And so if you can figure out how to compete with these guys every day, if you can try to figure out how to beat them every single day, like, I want to get you all the time on the right side. If I beat you one play, I couldn't do that same route for like five weeks because you were ready for it. You know what I mean? So it just taught me how to be able to like be a better player and it taught me how to be able to go into that different mentality. Looking to get more out of this NFL season?

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the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrate. One week I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger.

So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford, and a TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Bro, your bag got so much depth to it now. It's crazy. I mean, you're watching your tape.

Like, okay, no, you know, you didn't dip in dog bag? I see a little bit of this. I see a little bit of that. I say, okay. All right. You cooking now. I tell people, bro, like, they don't understand, like, a lot of it is, yeah, you look, you learn from people.

But, you know, there was also a lot of stuff that I didn't do that I always did in college, but it's about scheme. You know what I mean? and they don't understand, like, there's some offensive coordinators where when you're, you got to adapt your game. To me, that's the biggest way of how you stay in the league. And so it's like, you get one coordinator and they like, hey, man, one move and go. Can't sit at the line.

Or they'd be like, once you make your move, they'd be like, get out your break, don't do nothing at the top, just speed cut it. And the ball got to be there. And so it's like, you know, through the course of me having bevel, through the course of me having shoddy, like I've learned how to be able to adapt. my game to where I got better in some of the areas that I never even knew I needed to work on. And now when Shane came in, he's like, hey, man, you can freak it a little bit. Like, you can do this and this. And I'm like, oh, okay, now you speak in my language.

So it's like, you got to learn how to be able to adapt in the league because that's what ultimately helps keep you here as well. Right. And speaking of you brought Rika, what a year he having. I mean, think about how far he's come from training camp and, you know, real, raw dude and a pro bowler in his rookie year leading the league and picks like tell me about him and what you've seen from him throughout the year bro him and dk i it just don't make any sense bro right this these are people we created on madden right like just to be able to go 10 speed 99 like jumping 99 like when i seen when i seen dk and re go at it in camp and i was just like

like, bro, like, DK fast too. You know what I'm seeing Rick, like side by side. And then all of a sudden, like just throughout camp and going into the season, I'm like, bro, I'm like, if this dude understands, like, his ability, I'm like, he could sit on whatever route he want to sit on because it don't, I'm like in the league, bro. Quarterbacks is on point. They're going to throw the ball, keep you in stride, all that. What I saw when Mahomes threw that post, and Rick was like four yards behind dude and came

back and almost picked it, I was like, yeah, at this point, bro, like, just leave him alone. At this point, bro, it's like, as long as he just stays the course, there's some things, bro, within technique, we can't get away with his players. Right. But, like, he could lose certain things in technique and still win. And so if he can continue to get that technique, I'm telling you, bro. On that play, his footwork at the line was terrible. he was beat so bad, he started pointing at the safety.

He realized the safety wasn't going to be there. It was like, I just got to run. And it ran and almost booked it. Like, this is his rookie year. The biggest leap you take as a player is from your rookie to your second year. Because then you're going into your second year, like your confidence is through the roof. Like, I'm practicing with a whole different mentality because it's not like I'm trying to figure out if I belong or not. I'm trying to figure out if I can do it.

I know I can do it. Like, I know I'm the dude. Now I'm just, I'm sharpening the knife. Like, now I'm not trying to find a knife. I'm sharping it. And he's like, y'all know what's sharp. Like, let me know. And that's what's been so cool to see with him.

And this week, y'all got, I mean, between him and sauce for rookie at the deepest rookie at a year. And you got to deal with the Jets and young DJ Reed. Damn, my dog. Your dog, DJ. What you seen from now? Man, they, they're doing the same thing. Man, they balling.

I mean, we, you know, I seen what it was like to already be with DJ on a team. like dude is a dog you know he don't get the respect that he deserves as well like I feel like he had a chance to be able to go into pro bowl had a pro bowl like season but he just real sticky man like you know I always say like him and Trey Brown remind me of a net they just all in the way you know but you got to be able to learn how to play and maneuver around that I feel like he's done everything and more that the Jets even wanted them to do like you look at sauce like sauce and came in bro as a first round pick

and he is not disappointed. You know, he's lived up to that first round hype and probably even outplayed the first round hype. And that's something that's really, really hard to be able to do. You know, you're talking about sauce and Rik having a chance to be all pro. You know, and what's scary, bro, is they're still learning. Right.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, when you're in the league, it's like you're learning each and every year. But at some point, you're like, all right, ability kind of starts to outweigh. you know, everything else. But it's like, bro, these dudes are in year one and they're learning. If they continue to learn the pace that they're going, like,

bro, they have a chance to be like one of the best that the game of football has ever seen. They're learning. They're growing and the moment isn't too big for them. At corner, it's hard. It's hard to play 16 games in the league at corner. As a vet. You know, as a rookie, you're kind of like,

you're kind of like, they're going to throw at me a lot. I don't know this dude's technique. I don't know. what I'm going to get. And these dudes are just embracing the moment, living in it, thriving in it. It's cool to see. I mean, one of them, I mean, they both might make the all-pro team first or second team. You know what I mean?

I mean, it's a crazy year for them, too. You got any questions for me, Noe, before we get out of here? Man, if I would have known, I was going to have a chance to ask you questions. Let's see, how has everything been with just, like, you leaving football? Like, you know how a lot of times people say, like, you go through that, that crazy, not crazy, but the depression and stuff whenever you're done playing. Like, was it easier for you? Because I heard you always wanted to kind of do what it is that you're doing now. Well, well, I'm crazy in general. We all look crazy in general. So I think

the hardest thing for people when they transition is the loss of structure. Like for, I don't know, 25, 30 years for some of us, you got structure. You know, at this time of the year, it's going to be training camp. You know, at this time of a year, it's going to be training camp. You know, at this time of a year, it's going to be the season. You know, I'm going to be training in this time of the year. You, I mean, from college till now, you got a schedule. Like, you got a schedule in your locker. You know what time.

Meetings at eight. Breakfast at this time. This and this and this. And when you lose that, when you show up in August of your life, and you don't have a training camp, and you don't have a schedule, and you don't know what you're going to do. You might have all the money in the world in your account,

but you don't have, you don't feel like you have direction or purpose. Like I've been putting all my, not just putting my eggs in one bucket, Because even if you're like, oh, I got money in real estate, I got this, I got that, I got passive income, you're not an expert at that. You're about to move out of a space that you're an expert in and go be a novice somewhere else. And I think that's the hardest part for guys is to find purpose and to find the locker room and the mentality and everything. And so all that weight kind of starts to follow on you at the same time.

And if you don't get from under it and go find something, get stuff. Yeah. So I would say my last question would be this. So you've been a pro bowler, a Hall of Fame. You're about to be a Hall of Famer at some point. You've been an all pro. So outside of football, what's your Pro Bowl? What's your Hall of Fame?

And what's your All-Pro? I think being dad, you got some time before it happens, but you might want to get on it. But being a dad, bro, that's going to be my Hall of Fame, my all-pro, my everything. You know, being trying to be a good husband, you know, obviously the transition there was different, too. The relationship kind of changes because you go from not being here a majority of the time. You know what I mean? You got your time.

Your end season, you're out of season, you're out of season, to hear all the time. And your wife got to adjust to that. She should be like, hey, go somewhere. Get out of here. I'm used to you not being here all the time. So, so, go, make yourself busy. And so that's it now, just trying to be great at my career, you know, trying to set a great example for my son and my daughter, trying to raise them right, you know, trying to coach. I'm coaching his basketball team.

This is coming, this season in January. And I think when you lose like the drive or R, not the drive, but like, I'm not consumed with football anymore. So I'm not obsessed with being the best of that. So now I'm obsessed with being the best dad. And not that I wasn't obsessed with being the best dad while I was playing, but it's hard to be obsessed with two things. Oh, yeah. It's tough. So now I'm totally obsessed.

Like I'm at every practice, every, every meet at every meeting. I'm in everything I can be in. And it gives me purpose. It gives me so much fulfillment because I'm having fun. I get to see them grow. I can see them learn. So that's it right now. That's just being a great dad, a great father.

And this job, you know, I get to talk football. I get to talk football all the time. And I get to see you guys and get to talk to you. It brings me joy. I appreciate it, man. You know, like I said, last year, I was like, you know, the more and more I got better. I was like, you know, if it was one person that I would want to be like, oh, yeah, I could see the transition.

because you see me from when I first came in and like you see everything that I'm doing now. And, you know, like I said, regardless of anybody ever appreciates it, like for me, I had to learn how to appreciate it myself. I wanted to go to at least one pro bowl and receiver because I already did it at special teams. But, I mean, for me, it's like I'm a pro bowler in my heart. Like, you know what I mean? I'm a pro bowler for my team. Like everything that I'm looking for, it taught me not to look for it and let it come find you.

And so, like, I'm learning how to appreciate it. appreciate all the stuff that's right there. Like people say being where your feet are. Because I can always sit here and like you say be upset about why am I not getting credit. Why this isn't this? Or I can appreciate like this my second time being Walter Payton man of the year. You know, this is my second. Well, I don't think I can say the other one yet.

The other one hadn't happened yet. Oh, the Steve Largen Award. Like it's my second time I won that. Oh, you got too? Yeah. So I mean it's like learning how to be, you know, thankful for everything around you. Like you said, man, like, I got a fiance.

I got friends from high school, from middle school that I still talk to. I got a chance to help my family and friends. Like, you know, Claypool said it a long time ago. He said he already won. You know, right away, said he already won. So, like, for me, it's like, bro, I've already won. Everything else is just an addition. Noe, when you hang up the cleats in 50 years and you look back on it,

all the cool things you did as a player, you're going to be like, man, that was pretty cool. Like, I was special. I was out there cooking. I did my thing. And then you're going to start to do stuff with your kids and with your wife and with your family. And you're going to be like, I mean, that was fun. But watching my kid do it is going to be like, and I'm sure your dad would tell you the same thing.

It brings you a different level of like, like, man, that's like it almost feels better than when you did it because you created somebody. You worked with them. You see them through the ups and downs. You know, it's almost like the young kids you work with. I'm sure young receivers you see. you worked with over your career and you see them do better. And you're like, man, I remember when you was here. And now you're here.

When it's your son, oh, my God. I see him make baskets or I see him win a track meet. And I'll be sitting there, I'll be the first one to pick him up from the finish line. I'll be like, hey, I don't care. And it don't even matter if you want. It matters that I see him get better. And sometimes we win, sometimes we don't. But if we got better, I don't give a dang what the result is.

Man, that's the process. That's the best approach. That's the best approach, bro, because if you teach your kid it's all about winning, then you lose sight on progression over perfection. Fall in love with the process. That's what I tell him every time. Fall in love, we're going to get in love with the process. The results will come.

Like, eventually we'll win everything. But we got to fall in love with getting better day after day, play after play, practice after practice. The results will come. If we work, it'll come. Yeah. Well, you're speaking like dad of the year, man. Well, I appreciate that.

No, yeah. I can't wait to you have a kid. I'll be in. We bring him out there with the track with our kids. Oh, man. When I have a kid, it's on. Right, right. He's going to be a little scooter too.

Hopefully he's about six four, six, five. Look, I don't know. I thought your fiancee is, but we're going to pray on the six four, six five. Right, like five, two, five, three. Oh, I appreciate you, Dowie. I don't go take too much more of your time. I know you got more treatment. that you get better, but it's damn good to hear from you always.

Same, man. Likewise. Appreciate you even asked me to be on, man. I was waiting for the call. Well, you got to pick and choose your time. You know what I mean? I try to catch you on when you're hot, and then it was hard. We acted around. Then we caught you injured, and I was like, ah, of course.

Yeah, no, glad we was able to make it work, man. I really appreciate it. I appreciate you, too. No way. Have a great day, brother. All right. All right. You too. Love you, bro.

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