The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Romo Snap Game with Colin Cowherd | Cowboys vs. Seahawks

Episode Date: July 16, 2024

Colin Cowherd is in studio! We're reliving the infamous 2006 NFC Wildcard game between the Dallas Cowboys and the Seattle Seahawks aka The Romo Snap Game. Colin joins us in the couch (3:15). We go back to January of 2007 (42:34). We get into each of these teams (54:34). We dive into the game (1:07:33). We score it (1:23:57). We wrap it up by hitting the ol' hotline (1:29:25). See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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If you pulled a seat up to a bar and you sat next to a guy for 10 minutes and he was right for 10 minutes. After about 10 minutes, you're like, he's kind of obnoxious. But if you pulled up to a guy that had an eye patch and he was telling crazy stories, you'd turn to your buddies and go, get over here. And you'd stay for two hours. Right is overrated. Interesting is what wins the audience. Today we have a very special guest. We have Colin Coward, broadcasting legend.

He's on everyone's TV every morning, the host of the herd on FS1 and the owner of the volume. And giant desk. Why is it so big? And today we are looking at the Tony Romo snap game, 2006 NFC wildcard game between the Cowboys and the Seahawks. Oh, it is stumbles. But I thought it was so emblematic of Tony's career.

Wild, ad-libbed, hold your breath. That was always Tony Romo's career. If Brady is all about details, pre-snap, Tony's the opposite. Unbelievable. How crazy is this? We also talk about what he really thinks about the Cowboys. I think they're a flawed football operation. I argue it's about time to move off.

Are they ever going to get past this curse? Games with Names is a production of, iHeart radio. Welcome to games and names. I'm Julian Edelman. He's Kyler. Jack is back in North Carolina, but he dialed in. He's blown up the phone.

He's dialed in. He's dialed in. And we are on the search to find the greatest game of all time. On today's episode, we are covering the Romo Snap game. It's a fun one. 2006 NFC wild card game.

Wild card game. Cowboys versus the Seahawks. with the host of the herd on FS1 and the owner of the volume. Broadcasting legend Colin Coward. Smart man. So smart. We were all anxious all morning making sure we're nice and tight

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January 6, 2007, Questfield, Seattle. Washington. Just over a minute to play, Dallas lines up for a field goal to extend their season. Romo takes a snap. He bumbles it. Oh my gosh, he's taking off for the end zone. This is the Romo snap game. Welcome to games with names. Today we have a very special guest. We have Colin Coward, founder of the volume, which is an unbelievable podcast. What is that? Network. Network. Digital. podcast, Gambling Network. And he's on everyone's TV every morning from 9 to 12 here out in L.A. on the Colin Coward show.

I watch every day. It's awesome to have you. And today we are looking at the Tony Romo snap game. The 2006 NFC wildcard game between the Cowboys and the Seahawks. Colin, why this game? Well, I think it was a great era of football. Young Al Michaels on the call, all the N. Energy. And Madden.

And Madden. It's in Seattle, which is Pacific Northwest, is the closest city to where I grew up. It was a real ping pong match back and forth. Two legendary coaches, Bill Parcell's iconic Bill, and one of the more underrated coaches of my lifetime, Mike Holman. And really old school coaches, like wisdom guys, mentors to many other coaches. Like not all coaches, Andy Reid's a mentor to many. And the game was great because two of the most underrated quarterbacks in my life, Matt Hasselback, who hits Jeremy Stevens to take a lead, and Tony Romo, who got a lot of

crap, but I always thought was a really good quarterback. But that play that symbolizes it, and Parcell said it made him so sick, he got out of coaching. He went and took a Miami gig as a GM eventually. But Tony didn't fumble the snap. He fumbled the hold. And then in classic Tony style, he was so. damn athletic. He almost grabbed it and ran in. And then it was Justin, there was a defensive back for the Seahawks that literally grabbed his toe. Otherwise, Romo would have moved it in,

but I thought it was so emblematic of Tony's career. Wild, ad-libbed, almost, really close, hold your breath. That was always Tony Romo's career. Underrated, all his games were fun, kind of off the cuff as if Brady is all about, details pre-snap almost mechanical. Tony's the opposite. Tony's sort of like, you know, I got about six plays I run, and some of this is just going to be by the gut. And that's how he played.

And that, to me, that play is classic Tony. He drove him down the field. He got him in position to win. And then he fumbles the snap, yet still so talented, almost takes that and runs in. He kind of had a little case of the yips in there. when he, because it was a good snap. But then when you have this drill, which I was watching,

and this is a parcel, this is a parcel ran team. So there's a lot of, you know, I'm into that because of Bill. And I'm sitting there. He didn't call fire soon enough. So when you watch Tony Romo, fire, you have a, if something goes down, you call the fire call. You got the two guys, two wings are hitting the flag routes. You got a guy hitting the flat.

So like he almost yipped it a little, but he got surprised that he dropped the snap. And then, like, that was like a second off. So I feel like it just, it was one of, he was too big of a moment. They weren't quite prepared for the moment. They weren't prepared for the moment. And that always felt a little bit, not a shot at Tony, that he was like Farr. Probably spent a little less time in the film room, but was so gifted he could win a lot of games regardless.

Yeah. And Farr had Holmgren. Is this the greatest game of all time? No, but it's a game. You told me to pick a game that mattered to me. Yeah, yeah. And it's just an incredibly important game. And a lot of it in my hometown, you know, Holmgren got to a Super Bowl.

They Hasselbeck. You were four. Yep. They couldn't win the Super Bowl. Actually, it's the only Super Bowl where I thought officiating was really poor. I thought Pittsburgh got a couple of really fortunate calls. Pittsburgh was good, though. But I just always loved.

I love Romo the player and Hasselbeck the player. I love Parcells and Holmgren, old school coaches. You can hear Madden and a younger Al Michaels. It's really just great football. It was. And, you know, this was very, this was in my era of football when I was like a kid.

I was coming into college. And it was still a little tricky for me to see Parcells who you knew as the Giants head coach with the Cowboys, the storylines of this game. And then you see Homegren, who came over, he's in like a six or seventh year

from the Packers, winning a Super Bowl there with Brett Farr. Rebuilt the Seahawks. Rebuilt the Seahawks were a joke. A mess. joke and it was Sean Alexander was on the Madden cover got the hurt got hurt this year there was just so many storylines when I was researching and doing this game I was like man this is when football was football but one thing did did hit me when you watch this game for two great coaches

there was a lot of sloppy football yeah a lot of sloppy football well yes because I don't think these were fully formed teams there was a lot of backups playing they were beat up yep yeah and I think, you know, I always felt with your Patriot teams. We were talking about this yesterday on the show about foundational players. And the Patriots for a defensive coach, I really viewed Tom's the second part of the dynasty. You, Grunk, and Brady were the foundational players, all offense. And offense is a timing game. Football is kind of an aggressive, blowing shit up game. And it's really interesting. These teams, there were a lot of players. Both teams were. were beat up. It was late. The weather was a little choppy for a, you know, Dallas is kind of a warm weather. Indoor. Indoor team. They go up to the Pacific Northwest where, by the way,

all those teams hate going in January. It's wet. It's gross. You'd rather get cold and dry than 48 and wet. And, and so it was, it's just, there's a, you know, a lot of the great games are imperfect. That's why they're great. Drama. And I think a lot of your games, when I would watch the Patriot games, you were the rare football team. I almost always knew what you were. I knew what you were on first down, on third down, fourth quarter, right after half. Not that Patriot games weren't dramatic. They were boring. Kind of. You could say they were boring. You were an efficient dynasty. We wanted it to be boring. Yeah. We wanted it to be close to the very end. And then we knew that

that team was going to break because we were A, more mentally tough. B, we were in better shape. And you were situationally brilliant. And situationally brilliant, which I just had a call with Ernie Adams and he's coming to do our show again next week. And he specifically, him and his wife are like, we want to get into situational football. We want to educate people what situational football is. So coming to you guys soon. We got Ernie Adams,

situational football guru, who honestly is one of the innovators of situational football. Well, I thought he in that 10-part series on the Patriots Dynasty, I thought he was one of the more fascinating parts of it. I mean, Bill Belichick didn't lean on a lot of people. I felt Ernie was, and this is such a great compliment by Bill, but it's a greater compliment to Ernie. Bill taught a lot around Ernie. He seemed to listen a lot.

Like that's the ultimate compliment when smart people have their guy they lean on and they do a lot of listening. So, you know, Bill's mostly imparting wisdom and intellect throughout the course of his day. Ernie's the time that he asked a question and listened. You know, it's just, he's a, Colin's a pro. You know, and that's why I watch your show is because a lot of the shit that you come up within your head, and I know the behind the stories, a lot of the times it's something like, this motherfucker doesn't know something? It's just how calculated and how you study behavioral and you really do your work.

And that's crazy because that's really what it was with Ernie. Ernie was, Ernie's like a computer. and Bill knew how to communicate that computer and he would go to that computer whenever it was situational whenever it was a rule cause or something, whenever it was any kind of scenario that they were about to get into and it could be in the middle of a game. They were on the same wavelength where they would be sitting and talking to the situation

and Ernie talked about this and he goes, yeah, you know, we're down 14 points here. We haven't ran the ball very well. This, that kind of reminds me back in 88 when we, we were playing against this team as a giant. So like these guys are literally quantifying and just rubbing each other's minds like that. And it's true. I think football coaches and players, the great ones are compartmentalizers.

Is that you can separate your emotion from your details. It's a highly emotional game. But it was like Muhammad Ali could situationally against George Foreman say, I'm going to let him beat on me. You go ahead. I'm going to let you wear your... That's hard as a fighter. I'm going to let you take shots at me.

One of the things I always thought was so smart about New England, I couldn't do this. My wife can do this. My wife will once a month say a line. I've known her 17 years. And I'll be like, where did you get that? She goes, oh, God, I heard that years ago. I said, you saved that until this moment.

If I get a funny line, that shit's out at dinner. I can't hold it for a day. My wife can hold a line forever. And one day I made a mistake on something. And she said, honey, you're right or you're learning. It's only wrong if you do it twice. And I was like, Jesus, could you give me that 15 years ago? I could have used that 15 years ago.

So I think what football, the really smart football coaches and players do is practice, repetition, wrote, so you memorize it. But you're able to store things. And yet bring those out. of the door, your pass against Baltimore. That's crazy to me. That you guys practice that over and over. It's cold weather.

You then as a receiver have to throw a perfect pass against an elite defense. That's the ability to compartmentalize not only mentally, but physically. That to me is amazing. And the great coaches and players do that. Damien Woody always told me the story. He said, we practiced a third. down red zone play in new england for two years he goes i so effing tired of practice in it and then we face kansas city we bring it out in like week 16 and he goes it works and he goes i remember

walking back to the sidelines talking to a guy i'm like dude we're just smarter than everybody else we're just doing things different than everybody else you know and me and matthew slater used to have these things called state of the unions we were roommates we lived together for four or five years and we'd be sitting in a team meeting and Bill would lay out the keys what we had to do that week in the game. And he would lay it out. We have this, this, and this. If we do that, we will win the game.

And this will happen. And there would be like four or five times in a season where he would do that. We would, like after the game, we're watching film. We're like, oh, my God. He literally called the game out because we were prepared for everything. And speaking of preparation, I want to know what's your prep going in, to like a work day. Like your day-to-day life

when you're preparing for your show. Are you sitting at home when you get home from the show? I know you have a great relationship with your wife and you hang out with her and your kids, but you always digest some sport that night or some kind of content that night.

Are you watching that content thinking you're going into your show? Because you always pull something from what you watched the night before. Is that all like, how do you prepare for all this, like a three-hour show? Well, I really,

really prepare for a one and a half hour show. And then I usually have a guest in the last hour and I let the show develop. So you can't prepare for the whole show, nor do I want to. I want to let it breathe. So my first hour is a lot of me just sort of erupting and giving you, you know, emoting, vomiting. Here's my takes. And then I kind of, I tease stuff, top of the hour I do, right, calling right, calling wrong, the hierarchy, blazing five. So I try to either, before I go to bed, drive home, have my lead. I don't want to hear it cluttered. I don't want to hear anybody else's opinion. I'll turn on music driving in or a news radio station. I want to have, I'm kind of formulating it as I drive in. I drive in. I've got a big staff and they lay out 20 stories.

I pick five. I usually have the first two big takes of the day. But then it's about 90 minutes. We just pitch. I have guys say funny lines. I write a funny line down. You know, yesterday, we didn't get our lead until the very last take. Like somebody said something and I said, oh, that's really funny. And so a lot of times, instead of building out in, I'll build in out.

So if somebody gave me a great line, I'll find the line and I'll figure out a way to build around the line. So a guy gave me a line a couple days ago. I was talking about Tua looking small. And one of the guys in the room, I said, I like, I said, Philip Rivers. That's what I want my quarterback to look like.

And a guy in the room said, you like your quarterbacks like you like your furniture, big and hard to move. And I said, that's a great line. I'm going to build around that line. So I didn't have a topic. I said, that's a funny line. Let's build it to a topic around that. Because it was one of those topics. I was like, I don't know if it's a topic.

It's a topic. I like the line so much. That's the payoff to the audience. So sometimes I build out. The big topic's Dan Hurley. We build it. Other times I just get a funny line. And I think that's too good of a line.

that'll go viral. That's funny. Let's make, and I had four friends text that to me, like in the building. They're like, that's good. So sometimes I have it. Sometimes I don't, but we spitball in the morning. And I tell everybody, we're not into being right. I'm not interested in that. We want to get it right. Let's just have the right topic, the right story. It's not about winning the room. Shit, I don't care if I'm wrong. If you've got a better take, I'll take it. And so I'm the oldest guy in the room. I have a lot of young guys without kids. They'll often watch every game.

You know, I'll watch most. But, you know, on Sunday, I just sit down with a notepad. But I like people sometimes to just, you know, hey, this game last night's fascinating. Here's a moment in it. I watch a six-minute YouTube clip. I play catch-up. We write stuff around it. So it's very collaborative.

It's very much about the team. The team knows my sensibility, what makes me laugh, what does it. I don't care about the guests until the show starts. It's about me. It's called the herd. It's not called the guest. So you have to, that's a Rush Limbaugh thing. You've got to drive your show.

The guest is wonderful. Like if you're on, I'm like, oh, that's 20 minutes. We're going to get a number. But if I don't get a number in the first hour, the show doesn't write. So I got to win the first hour. Then I'm going to tease you in the second hour. So I try to put my best guest at five after the second hour. I tease it.

I tease it. and then you pop. Well, if my first two hours pop, the third's fine. So there's a real science to it. There's a methodology to it. It's situational TV, folks. Kind of.

It is. It's situational TV. What do you got, Kyler? Well, this is amazing. I love this. I'm soaking all this up because we're kind of new into the podcast media game. And Jules is not lying.

We'll have you on pretty much all morning. And then it'll switch to McAfee. And that's pretty much how our days are. So you mentioned that you kind of like to start with a nugget or like a line. Sometimes, yeah. So like let's see you come up with the two. Tua is small. Now, will you have something like that affect your opinion?

Or will you say, I think Tua is X, Y, and Z as a, like, just a personality or how you view the game? And Tua small is a good thing because he's in shape and he's ready for this season. Or Tua is not looking, like, is that an alter? I'm loyal. You know, Bill Morrow has said this. I'm loyal to the show. I'm loyal to whatever the best content is.

Like when I lived in New England, yeah, you become, there's an affinity with the team, because I just watched everything. So there's people you like and players you like, and that absolutely shades your view on something. You know, I found myself, I liked the intellect of New England. I like the toughness, the resilience, the intellect. I like smart football. So, yeah, you, that way.

Or I would say every city I live in, you know, when I live, I like Yukon basketball. Yeah. I would have never picked Yukon. I like their grittiness, their toughness. So I, we're loyal to the content. whatever the best joke is or the best story is. So for me, I'm loyal to the show.

I want Caleb Williams to be unbelievable. And then all of a sudden, Detroit pulls back and you're like, oh, now we've got a cat fight. Now Detroit's overrated. Here comes. And we're calling Caleb a Mahomes by week eight. That's just good for the show. Yeah.

I talked about it today. I had to do some media outlets. That's the most interesting story to me is that NFC North. Yeah. I mean, that's going to be a tough division. I mean, is Jordan Love for real? We got two months. Can the Lions actually as a favorite win?

Can they win? Chicago, for the first time ever in the history of their organization, actually helped the quarterback around them. Yeah, they have weapons. And drafted a quarterback. You know what I mean? Like, and then also Minnesota with KOC. Like, he knows how to get production out of offense.

I'm a little worried about their deal. defense and the quarterback, but that's going to be an interesting topic. Especially being with Fox, you know, we talk a lot about those NFC teams I've learned over the last two years. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th.

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Listen to the 1021 podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Now, you're from the Northwest. Yeah. How did this, were you, like, did you always, were you always into the broadcast world, or did you play sport? How did this fandom come above?

Yeah, I was a little All-Star Little League, a year of college basketball, loved high school basketball. College about what position? Shooting guard, gunner, terrible, bad ankles. I went to Eastern Washington University. Probably shoot up a storm, though. I didn't do anything up a storm. I was up a creek, basically. I didn't do much up a storm.

I was a quarterback in high school football, very marginal athlete, small league. I made all conference in basketball one year, I think. But, I mean, not a great athlete. tall and coordinated and, you know, basketball hoop in my backyard played all day every day. But I, when I was eight years, seven, eight years old, I always remember my mom saying this. She said, you went from eight to adult. She is, you were eight to 44 years old. My mom always said, you just knew exactly what you wanted to do. I would get a tape recorder. I would do the games in my bedroom. This, there was no, like, when I went to college,

there was a bunch of guys that were in, you know, journalism or radio TV. And I knew instantly, it different. This was all I was going to do. They were all nice guys. They were all kind of like glib or funny. I was obsessed by it. On a Friday night, I wouldn't drink. I would record AM radio on this big box I had. I'd record baseball games and write notes. And I was always obsessed by it. So it's like anything else. There have been guys that are bigger and faster than you, but you were at some level probably obsessed with football, either the learning, the route running, the physicality. Even now, the way you eat and take care of your body, there's an obsessive nature to a lot of successful people. Men, women, doesn't matter. And I think I got very

obsessive about it by eight or nine years old. It's all I thought about. I can remember playing basketball with my friends, and I called it, always, no exception. Jabbar over to West, Gail Goodrich, 18-footer, and people are like, they just, my friends after a while, just like, that's just what Colin does. He talks to himself here in the ones. I was the weird kid who talks to himself during a basketball game. No, that obsessive behavior is a huge part of success in, at least my profession. Because I was around guys that were obsessed with just getting the edge. Yes.

That was the term around New England. When I was a young kid, you'd be in and you'd see Kevin Falk, Teddy Bruske, Troy Brown would just be walking in, working out, not even on the team. And these guys would be just yelling. I'm getting an edge on you. Everyone was just trying to get better. And then once you grasp that, you become obsessed with, all right, I want to be like these guys. Tom Brady, he's working with the purpose.

He's caring about what he's eating. And it's one of those things where you become a product of the environment if you have that in you. You know what I mean? Like that's what I was. I wanted to be like those guys. So then I transformed and tried to do everything I could to be like them because they stuck around for a long time. You also find over the course, I'm 60 now, you find over the course of your life that not that many people are. No.

It's really most, you know, broadcasters are of a reasonable, reasonably similar in terms of talent, resonance, knowledge. Obsessive is the difference. It's not where you went to school. It's not your ability to, you know, Brown knows a boss who's obsessed. and you find that most people I've found make a little money and then they're content. You know, you made a lot of money and then were driven by it. The paycheck does weird things to people. And like Tom always felt like the more he made, the more he was going to prove you were wrong years ago and passing on him.

Aaron Rogers has a little bit of that. He's still going to chip on his shoulder. And that's really notable. I think I don't care if you're a playwright, a pianist. you've accomplished things, most people then move pivot into content. And obsessive people don't. And I think that's the separator, that that's, that that relentlessness of work that you're not satisfied with good. Yeah. No, I agree. And you said got paid a lot. I was just thinking, I draw, my mind went over to what the receivers are making nowadays. Oh, my God. I almost just threw up. It's crazy. Sorry, I got a lot of bad ADDD.

And McCaffrey, McCaffrey now almost makes half of Justin Jefferson. And I love Justin, but that he's undervalue. Yeah, but there's a number. When you touch that ball a certain amount of times, and he's up against it. That's a lot of endings pitched. That's a lot of innings pitched. And, you know, those arms go.

Yeah, they do. Especially when you're throwing 102. Now, Eastern Washington, awesome little alumni there. with Jimmy G. You got Sean Payton. Jimmy G is East Illinois. Cooper Cup.

Cooper Cup. Kendrick Bourne. Kendrick Bourne. Yeah. What's up with the red turf? I heard you donated. Did you donate for that red turf? Michael Roos paid for most of it.

I paid a little bit. So Boise State had the blue turf. Yeah. And they just said, hey, would you give some money? And Eastern always had a good football program. Yeah.

I love going to college there. So I grew up in the western part of the state, which was wet and damp. And I didn't have any money. Child of divorce. It was like $3,800 a year. I worked my way through college to pay for it. So they had good sports.

And it was a school where if you want to be a high school teacher, you went and a coach. And it wasn't that rigorous, but I loved my time there. Warm, warm spring and summers. That's where the Seahawks trained for years. And so I've always kind of stayed, connected to some degree to the athletic department.

And they called, and I said, we're going to do a red turf. And I thought, that's fun. Well, we didn't really consider what happens if it snows, because then the turf turns pink. It's like putting a towel in with a red jersey. So that wasn't a great look on TV. But I grew up my entire college day, Eastern's always kind of recruited maybe a little northern Cal, mostly Washington State, good high school football area. I've always had really good creative teams. I mean, we always, I mean, we've played Washington's, Washington State, Oregon State, very competitive. Wasn't Bellevue in Washington? Bellevue is by Seattle.

That's a very rich, Tony area of Seattle. That was the team that knocked off De LaSalle, and I was from Northern California. Yes, Bellevue. Great. They ran a quirky offense. And, yeah, no, Washington State is really good high school football, really good coaching. They got good basketball, too, don't they? I've heard that, or is that?

Seattle is a very good high school basketball arena. Jamal Crawford played there. Yeah. I mean, it's Washington State's interesting. When I got a job at ESPN, there was a linebacker for the Jets. He was a broadcaster for the Jets. And I remember telling him, oh, yeah, this is where I'm from. And he said, oh, you're from way out there.

And I remember thinking as I walked away, well, you're from way out there. But the truth is the Pacific Northwest is really isolated. You're surrounded by Idaho, Wyoming, you know, these Oregon, these giant states without many people. So you grow up sort of as an outsider in your own country. And I grew up two hours from Seattle. I mean, my high school had, my class had 26 people. Oh, my God. So I was quarterback and shooting guard and, you know, smart aleck.

I had all the rules defined, right? So sports editor of the paper. So you just got to fail a lot. But you really are. You do feel like when you're from the Pacific Northwest, you're really an outsider. Up in that wet part of the country that you'll meet people out east and they're always like, oh, I got on a ferry up there once.

That was amazing. I saw a whale. It's like you're on Mars. People don't know quite how to relate to you. No, they don't. But we had Cooper Cup on a couple weeks ago. He said the turf was terrible, though. You like it?

I called one of his games. Which one? I think it was Sam Houston or something. They played a game. They invited me up. How was he? Good. I didn't know who he was.

They told me we have a really good wide receiver. And I don't remember that much about, you know, I was doing a color commentary on the game. I don't remember a ton about it. But I remember his draft class. And I remember Tom Telesco was the charge as GM. And, you know, Tom wouldn't give me too much.

But if I asked a question and say, hey, let's just, this is one of these delete texts, right? And I said, what do you make a Cooper Cup? And it was one of the few times Tom said, we'd take him. He said he's probably second to third. He said, but if he's available, I would, we would look at him. He's on our board. And the Rams got him. So he was one of those.

He was like, yeah, he's, he is sneaky good. They knew it. He's been an unbelievable football player. I trained with him early in his career. We used to go run routes over at Golden West Community College with Tom House because they always have pro quarterbacks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you want him pro arms.

A couple times we threw golf and Stafford. Yeah. And he was always slick with his route running. He ran it almost like Amandola where they would roll into their cuts. They would keep their body going forward always. And you could never tell when he was going to cut. That's a Jerry Rice train. Jerry, Jerry was good with his arms, very good with the arms.

Yeah. And head and give you the head. But he had like a quicker than you thought kind of burst that he was developing. He was coming off in ACL. So he was still a young football player. I mean, what he's done in these last few years, you know, when he's healthy. Yeah, he was banged up early. He also had his first year a few drops.

I mean, you're going from Eastern to the NFL. But boy, when he and Stafford are hummed. Yeah. It's like, wow. It's rough. How many more years you think Stafford's got? You know, Stafford, I have made this argument. If you took Mahomes out of football the last 10 years,

I think there's only two players, Aaron and Stafford that you would say have comparable armed talent, sidearm. I mean, Stafford's sidearm stuff, like before Patrick, nobody watched their games. They were in the one o'clock window. It's not even just that. It's also his toughness. I mean, he's played with some terrible offensive lines. And he gets his teeth kicked in and he gets up every time he still can find a way to make those crazy throws,

which that's a part of being a great quarterback, being able to know when your offensive line isn't there, getting rid of the ball quick, being able to adjust your body according to your injury or whatever. Like Tom was hurt all the time. And no one knew anything because he would adjust his game to how. Remember when he ripped up? Yeah. his, this part of your thumb, gashed it.

What was that? And they showed it. Super Bowl year? Yeah. They showed it two weeks later. It was disgusting. I couldn't believe he played. He played with some crazy stuff, you know.

That TB12 method. Did you ever, by week 10, were you ever feeling good? No. There's always some sort of bang or bruise that you had. But no, not week 10. Week 8 to week 12 is like the low period of the NFL. Guys are starting to get beat up. The artage is starting to go high.

You know, less time to recover because of certain games. And we were always on primetime games. So we would be in an away game, 8 o'clock. You fly in, you have, the hours get long. You know, you fly in, you got a team meeting at 1 o'clock. you got in at five, you got to run at two. So that all adds up. And no, that was always, but after that week 12,

you started sniffing the playoff spot. You started sniffing that buy. And so you get rejolted, you know. But those are the, those are the biggest dog days of the season, eight to like 12, 13. Because after that, there's light at the end of the tunnel. You got something you're going for. They're all important.

Don't get me wrong. It's July in sports. video. Yeah. By August, you can feel football coming. It starts smelling like football, the grass. Yes. July, those are dog days. You come in on a Tuesday, boys, we got no stories. This is where we get paid. Speaking of dog days, how did you, it might, ESPN was interesting. I always felt like I was a coffee being at Starbucks. Nobody knew who I was. So I was a local guy. And they came and found me in Portland, a strange story that even this. podcast doesn't have time for it. It was a weird story. It was a snowstorm in Portland and some

New York radio consultant got stuck there and heard me and blah, blah, blah. And I always felt there it was a gigantic factory and I was a coffee bean and it was a great place for me. But I did feel at the end it was it was a sports factory and I was tired of putting in a shift at the factory. And I wanted to, you know, Fox came and about a year before I left, you know, I had, you know, they were like, hey, if you wanted to host a game show for another network, like Strayhand, Aaron Andrews have been another networks, they were much more amenable to do more things, production companies. But it was, I'd never been to the East Coast, and I love it. I have a place in Rhode Island. I love vacationing there. So I look at that more than just a job.

It was where I raised my kids. And it's just a smart, principled, you know, not morally flexible. people like live a certain way. Yeah. And I always really appreciate it as a West Coast guy. No, yeah. Fox has been a dream to work for. I mean, I've worked with different networks. And the amount of time and resources they put into everyone that works there,

like it's very flexible. It's all about you going out and performing your best, you know, for one hour. They don't meddle. They don't meddle at all. It's all about the team. It's very football oriented. And I think it's because it was, you know, pretty much developed by what? Terry was a part of that early part and John Matten, like a lot of the...

Well, it's in Los Angeles. Yeah. So it's very talent favorable. They've dealt with movie stars. You know, so they're very good to athletes and talk show hosts. They let you explore. You can make mistakes. They defend you.

Connecticut's different. Connecticut's like prep schools and accounting firms and insurance companies. Exactly. A little more restrictive. I could always feel the Disney weight on the company. Whereas Fox is, hey, we're in L.A. Like, this is, if you want to go home early, it's nice out. There's a movie premiere. They treat you differently. Like, that's just the way they do. They just, there's a different culture to it. Also, Fox doesn't have the scale of Disney. Disney is the Marriott, right? Like, it's this gigantic hotel. Fox is like a really cool boutique hotel. in Santa Monica.

Yeah. Like it's, you don't have as much space, but great pool, great cocktails. Great menu. Yeah, it's just,

it's just a really easy place to work. I've said, a lot of people have gone ESPN to Fox. Not a lot of people go Fox to ESPN. It's almost like if you go to New York, there's a lot of New Yorkers in L.A. If you can make money in L.A., there's no reason to live in that weather.

Right? Like there's, you don't go to New York and say, oh, there's a lot of blondes. Yeah. Like, like, you come out. out here, there are a lot of New Yorkers.

And I think a lot of it is, like, Fox does sports right. They do. They do. I mean, they let you have the volume, which is killing it. Yeah, freedom. Freedom. I got a question. Who in the pre-podcast era as a player would be a great podcaster in this day and age?

Well, Muhammad Ali would have been the greatest ever. I mean, if you YouTube Muhammad Ali and you go to Muhammad Ali's, best press conferences. You can't believe it. It's like watching Michael Jackson for the first time moonwalk. You can't believe what he's doing. He's going on these four-minute soliloquies,

and you're like, where's the teleprompter? I'm a broadcaster. Like, how is he doing this? Like, Ali today would be Renault, look like Ronaldo, Rinaldo, good-looking, Tom Brady successful, and Mahomes talented.

Like he was everything. Yeah. I mean, the looks, the talk. So I think Ali was born early. He would have been amazing. Generally, you know what you'll find? You know, podcasting is not broadcasting. Because when I started the volume,

my broadcasting instincts were wrong all the time in podcasting. Just all the time. And it was funny. I was like, man, I'm just whiffing on this, this, this. So I really like the, you know, I'm pretty curious guy. I like to make mistakes. I like to screw stuff up so I don't do it again. I made a lot of mistakes when I started the volume, just thinking it was broadcasting and it's

podcasting. What you find, two things always work with podcasting. Are you curious? Joe Rogan's curious. You're curious. Curious people succeed. And storytellers. That's when you come on my show, one of the things I always say, like, hey, what do you want today? What's your best story? Storytelling work. Nobody. We very rarely go to, you give us the, the questions before. I don't go to those. I know. I'm sitting there. I'm going, go over them for like 30 minutes and then you'll hit me with a question before we get on and we'll dive into that. Yeah, I'm, I'm, authenticity is that always going. I want your best story. Yeah. When I speak to young broadcasters, uh, I always say, um, just be interesting. Like,

if you, if you pulled a seat up to a bar and you sat next to a guy for 10 minutes and he was right for 10 minutes. After about 10 minutes, you're like, he's kind of obnoxious. But if you pulled up a guy that had an eye patch, a hook on his hand, and he was telling crazy stories. You turn to your buddies and go, get over here. And you'd stay for two hours. Right is overrated. Interesting is what wins the audience. Be interesting. Tell stories. The delivery. Incredible. The analogies. That's a pro right there. This is a pro. I was thinking like Dennis Romman or something. he's a little too out there. Yeah, but if he were to talk the stories he would get with the audience,

I think he would exhaust you. He wouldn't be his detail. I think he'd be good for a podcast. What you're doing is a podcast business. Yeah. And so your traits, like a quarterback, your traits are you work hard, you're curious, you tell stories. That wears well.

Anybody can do a good podcast. anybody can come on my show for a spot. You come on every week. So the really good people can come on every two weeks or week. And it's like, God, he's good every time. That's a lot of quarterbacks. Tebow had a six-game winning streak, seven-game winning streak. A lot of winning streaks in football that you're like, how the hell did that happen?

Year after year. If you really think about greatness, Kobe Bryant's entire career, you game plan to stop him. your best defensive guy on him, trap him, get the ball out of his hands. The average 30. So people understand it. To be great, I mean, Jesus,

all you do with Luca is watch film on how to stop Luca. He could drop 40 tonight against the world's best basketball players. The difference between great and just, you know, really good player, they're just not many of them. It's just not, people spent literally the entire division, drafted against Tom,

edge rushers. The whole division was drafting edge rushers against Tom. None of it worked for 20 years. Would you rather have a six-game winning streak or circumcise a bunch of kids in Philippines? Why not both? Oh, Tim Tebow, Tim Tebow, Tim Tebow. We'll be right back after this quick break.

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And with the World Cup right around the corner, we'll be breaking down the biggest storylines ahead of the big tournament here in the USA. Listen to the 1021 podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's go back to around January 6th, 2007, 2007. This is a segment where we go and we discuss a little bit of what was going on around the game. Number one movie was Night at the Museum. You ever see that?

I loved it. I never saw it. Oh, it's fascinating. Ben Stiller, right? Yeah, it's a great concept for a movie. You ever watch a movie and you think, I don't know if the movie's great. What a great idea for the movie. Yeah.

Yeah. You go to a museum and all the animals. come to life. Yeah. All the, it's like, this is a great, somebody was high. Somebody was high and just came up with that. I mean, there's no way you did that.

Or bored with their kids at a museum. Yeah, it's just great idea. Hey, it made half a billion and spawn two sequels. Yeah, it's a great trilogy, isn't it? Number one song was Irreplaceable by Beyonce. I remember this song. It wasn't my favorite Beyonce, but it was good. You remember that song?

Yeah, it's okay. I like Beyonce. I like Beyonce. The iPhone debuts, I remember this. I went to a Walmart in Rentham, Ohio, or no, where was it? It was Canton, Ohio.

There's Amish people. Like, Amish people will go to the Walmart. Anytime I was there. This was my first time shopping to Walmart. I was a Bay Area kid. I never seen a Walmart. Yeah. When I went to Ohio, I started going to Walmart.

They're pretty badass if you ever been. Yeah. And every time I go to this Walmart, there'd be Amish people. And I were like, isn't this, like, contradicting what they believe? The kids would be in the video game section, playing with the video game.

games and stuff. But it just brought me back. I went and as I was, huh? Were they also waiting for iPhones? They were waiting for iPhones. Here's how old I am. I remember the first cell phone. So you're not old enough to remember. They used to be blocks. Like a bar stool. You were talking on a bar stool. So I get one. I'm in Vegas. And I think I'm, I'm really cool. Do you have a holster for it? In my Ford Explorer, which I got an Eddie Bauer bag for buying it, which I had for like 15 years. That was a badass Ford Explorer. The Eddie Bowler. hour additions. Those were cool. Was it in Forest Green?

Mine was red, but they were cool. So you put, this is true story, I'm making nothing. Probably 12 grand a year out of college. You fastened it in right by your drive shift, right? You fastened the cell phone, you put it in, you clocked it in. I didn't know the first month.

I thought you only got charged for calls you make. So I told people, call me. Call me. I was taking calls all day. Well, you get charged for those. knows. My first bill was bigger than what I made a month. Oh my God. One of the only times in my life, I called my mom. Mom, I need a couple hundred bucks. She's like, you're in Vegas. Go gamble. How do you, what do you mean? So I'm like, I didn't know you got charged for incoming calls. And these things were giant and gray. I remember. What, what, what TV show was it on?

Was this, was it like Miami Vice? There was a TV? Yes. Miami Vice where they'd always have like the big old block. That's what it was. Or one of the most epic was Wall Street with Gordon Gicko. That was the best. In the sports world of 2006, 2007, national champions were number two, Florida beats the Ohio State Buckeyes. Heisman Trophy winner was Troy Smith who went to Baltimore. Yep.

Which game was this? Who was the Florida State? This was one of those off years of Florida State. I think one of the back-to-backs. I think with Tim Tebow. Yeah, that was a Tebow team. Oh, this is a Florida. Is it? Is it a Tebow Tee?

Yeah, let me double check. Is it? I read Florida State. I was tripping. Florida. This is with Hernandez, Percy Harvin, all the boys. They were stacked. Spikes. Spikes was the most unathletic-looking guy.

He had like such a dad bod that laid the most wood I've ever seen in my life. This guy would come down and we would watch nine-on-seven practices, which is the run game. So you know it's a run. So it's a cheat for the defense. But I would sit sometimes and, you know, we'd be doing like routes and I'd look over. And spikes would just be teeing off on the fullback. I mean, him and James Devlin would hit 40, like four, five, six times in a row.

I'm talking like six-yard sprints where these guys were just banging and he would blow guys up. He would knock guys, he would knock big old 350-pound lineman back. I mean, he could lay the wood. Donald Penn. Remember Donald Penn? No. He was an offensive lineman. He had the strangest body for the Raiders.

I didn't even understand it. That guy just engulfed people. It's weird. When I first met Teddy Bruske, I'm like, that's the Desert Storm guy from Arizona. That's, he brought a briefcase. I'm like, he looks like a bulky accountant. Yeah. Like, I mean, Teddy walks in.

He looks like he looks like a middleweight boxer. He dropped a boxer. bunch of weight, though. Okay, because I'm telling you. Because Teddy was, he was, he was, he's got to look at his neck when he was nasty. Nasty. He's one of the, he's one of the five to six best college players I've ever seen.

You could not block him at Arizona. People don't realize he was defensive linemen. You couldn't block him. Yeah. Undersized could not get in front of him. He was an incredible football player. Yeah. Teddy.

Dick Tommy, Desert Storm, they called it that defense. My first day at New England in OTAs when the vets came. Teddy was on punt team Like that's how Teddy was he was I was on the punt team He was on the punt return team And I had to do a stab technique on him And I touched him

Like that's the you have to stab the technique And then once the receiver Belichick makes you Yeah makes you And after that rep he looked at me He said hey rookie you ever touch me again I'm gonna cut your fucking arm off So I had to go the next rep with them

I'm sitting there I'm stabbing the air behind him Because I need to let the coaches know That I know what I'm doing because they're going to bitch at me if I don't. And it was just crazy. I never touched him again. He's a tough guy.

Oh, he was, he, eat nails. Super Bowl champions were the colds. I got clarification. That was Chris Leek was the starting quarterback. That's right. But Tim Tebow had two touchdown. Yeah, he was the first guy. Yeah.

Yeah, Leak was the undersized guy. 12. Yeah. Undersized guy. Yep. Yep. Leak is a classic college, not a pro player. 100%.

But a really good college player. He had a sweet spiral. Yeah. Charlie Ward. had that. Like, that's a great college play. Charlie Ward. Yeah. Super Bowl champions were the Colts. This is when the Colts. We had Ernie on and he talked

about the AFC championship between the Pats and the Colts this year was the Super Bowl. They were up 216 at halftime. And then next year they go and get Randy Wes. They were pissed about that whole thing. LT was the MVP. Ladani and Tomlinson.

Miami Dolphins head coach Nick Sabin resigns in the middle of a season, right? Yeah. after returning to take the Alabama head coach job. That was crazy. If he gets Drew Brees, if he gets medical clearance, he never coaches Alabama.

He tried to get Drew Brees and the doctors would not allow it. The Saints doctors cleared him. If not, he never, the greatest college football dynasty never materializes. He does not take that job. Because Nick would have won with Drew Brees. He actually,

if you go back to his Miami tenure, he made a difference. Yeah. He just didn't have the quarterback, which is, you know, that's, I mean, is Bill Belichick's proving, that's the sport. That's the league. That's the league. Got to have the guy.

Andy Reed's one of the few guys that won at the highest level with average quarterback play. That's like it. It's hard. Yeah, I mean. McNam was okay. He was fine. It's fine. Smith at the end, he was a good game manager.

Yeah. But it's hard to get to NFC championships repeatedly. Yeah. So it was a soft division then. I still have a take that I think Bill owns Andy Reid. It depends on the culture. I've made the argument. But you've got to look at every time we played them,

even when they had their highest of the high of the offense. We always had a great defensive plan, and then you got to run the ball against. I would say Tom. Yeah, Tom. I mean, good. That Tom, that overtime game, you guys got the coin flip. Yeah, but we, that defense, like our defense in the first half shut them out.

Yeah. You know, and it, you know, some of those calls. And then even the next year when, I think, Stidham went in there. And they battled them. They could have, they held them zero points in the first half or until the fourth quarter. Well, the best two coaches last 20 years are Andy and Bill. Yeah. One offense, a play designer.

You know, one's the smartest defensive coach of all time. Yeah. Do you remember the Statue Liberty game? Oh, of course. Boise State beats Oklahoma. I'm from the Northwest. Boise State was always this little, I always used to tell people. but like, and you're in the PAC 12, don't schedule Boise State.

No. It's, you're their Super Bowl. You know, it's like, just don't do it. Not even that, though. At this, by this time, Boise State was, because I was in Juko and they were recruiting me really hard. They were taking a lot of Juko guys, which were bounced backs from Florida, the ICC. And then they were getting like Pack 12 recruits playing in the whack.

Yes. You know what I mean? And well coached. Very well coached. Chris Peterson. Chris Peterson. We did Zimbrenski, and we had Adrian Peterson to talk about that game. I mean, that was these three years of college football with this, USC and Texas.

So good. This was when college football was at its highest, I think. It wasn't regional. You had a great Western team. Texas, SEC, everybody was playing. Everyone was playing. That was the guy proposed to his girlfriend afterwards. We have a whole scoring system we'll get to it at the end of the show.

I still stand by that I think this is the greatest football game ever played. USC, Texas is way up there. It was so weird with the Reggie Bush lateral. I was there. That's one of the great game. I'll tell you, this year I went to Oregon, Washington. Yeah. In Seattle, the Miss Field goal.

That's the second best college football game I've ever been to live. It was on Montlake. It was insane. Every play felt like it mattered. series felt like you were in the fourth quarter. Couldn't hear yourself things. Those are great rivals up there. Two pro quarterbacks, like 10 offensive players or pros, like, you're stacked. I think the only thing that the Statue Liberty game has on that U.S.C. Texas

game is the David versus Goliath. Oh, there's no question. Yeah. That was still David versus Goliath. You can never call Texas David. It's Texas. Ben Chung's maybe the best high school football player in American history. If you ever watch Vince Young's high school highlights on you two. No, I haven't. He looks like a 12-year NFL veteran playing against junior high schoolers. And I'm talking Texas high-end football.

He is bigger than all the defensive linemen and faster than the receivers. Oh, Cam. Cam. Cam was the same way, though. Yeah. Cam Newton. Go watch the LSU Auburn game with Cam in it. He is running over linebackers.

LSU linebackers. Running over them. Defensive ends. Steph on. The first day I met him when he came in to our facility, he looked like a defense event. Yeah. Like he was, he's legitimately one of the most impressive specimen humans. Like just as far as how broad he is, how big he is.

He's still lean. Like he's like a freak human. Like a 37 inch waist and is cut. Cut. Like he's like a lumberjack. He's not built like human. No. I mean, he's, he was fun to play.

with. Kyler, let's set the stage for this game. Let's hit the Dallas Cowboys first. So the 2006 Dallas Cowboys had a 9 and 7 record and were head coached by Bill Parcells. This was his last season as a head coach. And this game that we're doing was his last game as a head coach as well. It is a season of bitter endings and hopeful new beginnings.

T.O. arrived in the off season. Also, the most accurate kicker in NFL history at the time was Mike Banderjack came in. However, he did not finish it with Martaam of Dramatica. It was also a start of the, the Tony Romo era that he took over halfway through the season for a Drew Bledsoe, kind of his last play was in reception in the second quarter of some week six game. We actually just had Drew Bledsoe in here.

Great wine. Great wine. Double back. Great. Prototypical first overall person. He could still throw. We went through the ball in the backyard. Yeah, no, Drew's. Who looks like a number one pick? He 100%. Like he is like John Elway.

He picks up a ball. And then Brady used to talk about this, like, because Brady likes his balls, this, that, you know what I mean? Bloodsill could pick up any ball and just whip it because he had these big, just country-fed white boy hands that, like, looks like he should be picking up hay or something. He's just exactly what you said,

what your number one pick should look like. And then so this team once Tony Romo took over, they won five out of the six of Tony Romo's first starts. They stumbled a little bit down the stretch, we'll get to that. We also just like talking dudes, naming dudes. The dudes on this team was Drew Bledsoe, Tony Romo, Jason Witten, Flosel, the Hotel, Flazell Adams, Roy Williams, Miles Austin, DeMarcus Ware, and Terry Glenn, also a studded. Terrence Newman, too. He was a badass debaac. A studded coaching staff of just future head coaches. We'll talk a little bit about

later, but that's the 2006 Cowboys. What do you remember about this era of Cowboys? the emergence of Romo. I mean, I grew up with Staubach, Danny White, Troy Aikman. They bounce around, and then they find their Romo. And it was, you know, it's pretty rare that a big brand like the Cowboys get an undrafted quarterback. You know, usually a team like the Cowboys is such a big brand that you would have the quarterback ready to go, or you'd just go buy one.

Right? Like for the Cowboys, that'd be like the Yankees' best player being in like a 40th round shortstop. Like, you're the Yankees. You figure they'll just go buy a cleanup hitter. So the Romo's a real, for their brand. I mean, most of their best players have been like free agents or first rounders or

Micah and CD. And all of a sudden it's like, you know, that O line for years. That was all first round picks, Tyron Smith. Tony's undrafted. That's something like the Jaguars would get or the Panthers, right? But it's to be the America's

quarterback of note and you played at a tiny school most people can't find on a map. It's pretty remarkable. Tony had a good career. He did. He had a very good. He was exciting. I remember when he came in, he was just, you know, he was a jolt of energy for them. He was making those athletic plays where he was ducking down. Guys would overtackle him. He'd pop his head up and find a guy down the field. Like you always, I just always remember he was kind of a shorter guy, but he used his

athleticism in the pocket and he had like a flare with him where he was really good outside the pocket and he was good at making a play within the play by manipulating defensive guys in the pocket, stepping up, sliding, and then finding the second play. I always feel Joe Burrow is a more disciplined Tony Romo. They look, they were the same number. They look alike, the play alike. Joe's just a little more, not mechanical, a little more efficient. Tony's a little more instinct, go with a gut. But there's a lot of similarities. Tony's, you know, Joe's, you know, Joe's great. Tony on his best days was a highlight film. He was really good.

He was really good. Wasn't it weird kind of seeing Parcells as the head coach? Did you think that was weird? Well, I remember this whole thing happened. Only two cowboy coaches of work. Three in my lifetime. Landry, Jimmy, and Parcells. The latter, too,

had Jerry as the owner. The ironic part is Jimmy and Parcells are exactly what the Cowboys need as a coach, and Jerry didn't like it. They need a strong-willed, defiant architect that knows the game, that pushes back on Jerry. Jerry tends to hire people that need him. Jason Garrow, his first job, McCarthy was out of work, Chan Galey. You know, Jerry tends to hire people that need him.

Parcells and Jimmy didn't. Two best coaches they've ever had, and I just don't think Jerry, Jerry likes you Cowboys usually have the highest percentage of players on their roster that they drafted. And there is something about the Cowboys sometimes come off

as like a family business like the local general store in a very corporate league. But it's, I always feel like Parcells and Jimmy that's what they should have. And Jerry just can't, it doesn't work for very long. So they go 12 and 5

this year. I think they step back. They don't have a running game. So they'll be much more DAC dependent. They go 11 and 5 this year. I'll do 10 and 7. You do 10 and 7. I don't think they make the playoffs. They don't make the playoffs.

No, I think they're very thin at receiver and running back. I think they'll be more DAC reliant. I think the NFC, the last two years, has been down. The Packers are ready to go. The Rams are not in a rebuild. Uh-oh, Chicago's good. Like, I mean, if Arizona is a five-win team, that's a good five-win team. They got like some dudes.

They can compete. They do. So what about Belichick going there next year? Yeah, I could see that. They would, again, they would need a strong coach who's defiant, a great architect, a culture builder, and it'll work for about three years. And then what happened? And then Bill will be like, Bill will get him to the highest level. I argue it's about time to move off DAC.

Dack's good. You can't pay him great. One thing we know doesn't work in this league. To have a good quarterback that you pay great. You can win with a rookie quarterback and a rookie deal. You can win with a great quarterback taking a bit of a pay cut. You can't be a B plus quarterback and get paid a plus. You're out of the Super Bowl bubble.

And I think Bill knows that better than anybody. And I think they'll figure out a way to redraft, re-sign the quarterback position, and pay a quarterback along the lines of that. Either a young guy, little money, or an older guy, more reasonable money. You don't think they're going to, are they going to re-up deck this year, you think? I don't. I think they're going to let it go.

And then they're going to go get a coach. And the coach will sit down with Jerry. And the coach can be the bad guy. Jerry doesn't want to be the bad guy. Yeah. Before we move on from Dallas, I just want to mention some of these coaches on this staff. So Sean Payton, he just left the year prior. On this team is running back's coach, Anthony Lynn.

Mike Zimmer's back. Mike Zimmer's defensive coordinator secondary coach is Todd Bowles um wide receivers and passing game coordinator is Todd Haley The tight ends coach Running back coach Freddy Kitchens

Offensive line and running game coordinator is Tony Spirano Pretty good RIP Spirano We used to battle him and lose in Miami a bunch He's had a good plan Let's get into these Seattle Seahawks

Kai So 2006 Seattle Seahawks We still have a few years left In the Mike Holgram era at this point. This is a Seahawks team that was hoping to build off their Super Bowl run the year prior

in which they went 13 and 3. They signed Nate Burleson in the offseason. They gave them the bag. They traded for Dion Branch after week one. And they were looking to give Matt Hustleback some weapons and hoping that they could do

another Super Bowl run, maybe get over the hump. Unfortunately for this season, nine offensive players miss games, Sean Alexander, who also got a bag, got bit a little bit by the Madden Curse. Are we buying the Madden Curse? Not really.

It was, didn't it stop after Patrick or something? I think it's dead now, for sure. But it was there. It was there. It might have been there. His team couldn't stay healthy. No. Matt Hassaback, you mentioned,

missed four games with an MCL sprain. So Seneca Wallace had the step in, who also had a reception in this game, this playoff game. We had the same agent. They were, they put Don Yee, he pitched me. Like, you could be like a Seneca. You could play it. Quarterback receiver.

It's like, no, you have, Tom Brady, bro. I'm signing with you. So this team finished nine and seven after starting four and one. And also just want to mention Sean Alexander the previous year. He was MVP. He rushed for 1880 yards and 27 total touchdowns. A couple of dudes. Nico Kudavides was on this team.

And Tutu. He lives in Foxborough still. His dad was like one of the first Patriots. Also on this team, Walter Jones, Marcus Truffant, Dionne Branch, Nate Burleson, Sean Alexander, Jeremy Stevens, what a big game. I always remember him always coming up with those cover twos. Like they hit in this game, big tight end down the middle of the field when they were running those Tampa twos all the time.

Stevens used to catch a lot of those. He was a husky, great high school player in the Olympia area. I followed his whole career. He had some stuff off the field, but he was a huge high school recruit. He was a great player. He was a big guy. Long, fast, like a physical Jimmy Graham. Like if Jimmy Graham blocked and was tougher, that's what he was.

Wow. What do you think of this Mike Homegroom era Seattle Seahawks? Well, Mike is really smart. Mike has an Andy Reed quality where he's not only a coach, but he's a mentor. You know, his coaching tree is impressive. And I always thought, you know, Mike Holmgren's one of the old school coaches that may have been born too early. He'd be great today. Yeah.

He'd be great today. His era was mostly you were allowed to grab and pull and jam and, you know, he grew up in an era where all the rules lean defense. Mike Holmgren is one of the older coaches that I think if you put him in today, he would be Andy Reid. He was super clever, great multiple offenses. Those Seahawk teams did not have Super Bowl rosters. They had a Super Bowl coach. I mean, if you go back to that Seahawk team that made the Seahawk, they had some really nice offensive pieces, but not one of the more impressive Super Bowl rosters. Was the 12-man thing there when you were a kid? Well, it was always, Husky Stadium was always one of the loudest stadiums.

And the kingdom was always loud because of the reverb. So Seattle was always known as just a really loud place. And again, I always feel like in Seattle, because we're so isolated in the Pacific Northwest, we always feel like we have to prove that we love sports. Yeah. And so

I, you know, there were a lot of local breweries. You come in lubricated, it was tailgating central. We only got good weather briefly. So when you got it in the early fall, you went on the boat, you came up to the games at Husky Stadium. Seattle's always always been just a great football town with a really raucous, lively, engaged fan base.

Yeah. Mount Rushmore of Seattle Seahawks then. Steve Largent. Jesus, he was Godfather. Him and Dean Largent. He was a lot of similar how they play. We just have Cooper Cup here. We were talking about that. That's a good question.

Steve Largent. I love Cortez Kennedy. Cortez Kennedy, what years? Wasn't Cortez there for years? I loved him. Sean Alexander's probably on it. I mean, let's be honest. Richard.

Sherman? Shirm. T.M. T.m. Chancel. Go Hokies. Cortez Kennedy, yeah, he was there. I thought he was so good. I would say, oh, no, no. Steve Largent, Walter Jones. Boy, that's a good question. I think Sean Alexander has to be on it.

Do you put Holmgren in there just because he got him to a Super Bowl? No, because Pete Carroll did as well. Marshawn Lynch? God, there's so many good defensive players. Marshaun Lynch is. It's some really good defense alignment. Yes. Richard Sherman.

A problem for us. Richard Sherman's really close. Earl Thomas. I put Richard. Richard was a bigger personality. Also, he made so many big plays as a cornerback. He really defined late round pick, overlooked. He was the Pete Carroll team.

That's a great question. Seattle's Mount Rushmore. Hell, I could put Jim Zorn on it. The left-handed quarterback. I mean, they were, it was so funny, Tampa Bay and Seattle were expansion teams. Tampa couldn't score. Seattle couldn't tackle.

If you had combined them, you'd have a playoff team. Seattle had Sherman Smith, Jim Zorn, Steve Largent. They were wild games. But Largent was their first really elite all-time player. Jim Zorn was quarterback coach of the Seahawks team. Yep, yep. And a really decent guy, nice guy. Yeah.

All right, Kai, guy. Let's break down this game. For the lead-up. This was two 9 and 17s looking to get hot, maybe catch some fire, go to the Super Bowl. neither of them really were going into the playoffs very hot but they made it in and they were hopes were still alive there was some real pressure on Bill Parcells

to do something after missing two years of the playoffs and all that cowboy's energy each team lost three of their last four games Home Green owned the tuna you got them in the Super Bowl I forgot about that you're talking about great coaches and they're very similar and that they were both high on wisdom.

Good teachers. Now, Holmgren isn't as New Jersey cranky, not as sort of smart assy as Parcells. You know, Parcell's got, he's got, like, Belichick, he's got an East Coast edge to him. Homegren, more Midwest, sense of humor. But, like comparing Andy Reed and Bill, like different sensibilities a little bit.

I feel like Andy Reed and Homegren are very similar. Yeah, mentors. Teacher, teachers. But even just their demeanor. Like, it's funny, if you look at Belichick's coaching tree, I've always theorized this. Proximity to brilliance doesn't make it brilliance. Proximity to wisdom does make you wise. So Andy and Holgren offer wisdom.

And coaches can take that and use that. Bill's just brilliant. I could work next to Einstein. I'll never be smarter. Yeah. Right? Like Bill literally was a super brain. and that's why a lot of his assistants,

you can't take Bill's brilliance, his day-to-day situational brilliance, and you can't duplicate it. But you could take a really good teacher. You know, like a lot of the great athletes aren't great coaches. Yeah, that's true. Right.

That's true. I mean, if you look at these two coaching trees, I mean, these are like the trees where all the trees. All the branches. They come from. Yeah. I mean, it's really Bill Walsh and Parcells, and Holmgren comes down,

and then he creates his. But these are the two different systems right here. Could you argue anyone else? No, I think Holmgren, Parcells, Bill Walsh. I think Andy Reid's become that. I think he's got a really good tree. But there's a teaching proposition to it. Was Bill teaching or Bill just smart?

I mean, obviously, Ernie Adams almost had some educational qualities. Like he was more wisdom. Right, because of his experience. But maybe, by the way, maybe that's why Bill leaned on him. Bill had this high IQ, but sometimes wanted that sort of almost abuncular uncle, smart uncle experienced wisdom. He sought wisdom. Bill's smart enough to know what he didn't know or what he couldn't see.

It's not that Bill didn't know stuff, but sometimes when you're kind of in the authoritarian chair, people don't always give you honest feedback. Yeah. Right? And Ernie could give him really honest feedback. Ernie didn't need him. He didn't owe Ernie anything. Like Bill and Ernie's relationship is the perfect kind where one guy's rich, powerful, in control of it. But he's smart enough to know, Ernie's the one guy that doesn't need me. He'll be the most honest to me. And that's a hard thing to get when you're in control and power.

Yeah. I agree with that. Like I said, I agree with a lot of his takes. I don't know that to be true. That's just what it feels like to me. Don't you think the more power people have? Like, if you were a president and hired a vice president, what you'd really want is somebody that was honest with you. You wouldn't necessarily need the smartest person because they may be intimidated or challenged.

You got to have a no guy. You got to have a no guy. Bernie could be a no guy. Exactly. There's a parallel here with the end of the Patriots dynasty and Belichick with kind of bringing in people like Matt Patricia in like maybe not the best role for an offensive coordinator, but maybe

there's a trust factor there to that. So maybe there is a downside to that. Maybe there is a upside to that, but something to consider. Yeah, we'll have another time for that one. We'll have another time for that one. Now, let's break down the game, Kai. Oh, so here's the game.

On the call, as we mentioned earlier, John Madden and Al Michaels, referee was Walt Anderson, which you wanted to specifically mention. also 44 he was like a cloudy stickler he always had relationships with certain refs

Walt was the type of guy he just didn't want he you know it's a give take thing hey how you doing and then you feel it if you could bark at him he wouldn't let you bark

he's a principal yeah some guys that just like that my bad cutting you know Tyler no you're good first half was a battle of field goals two from Seattle from Josh Brown

and a 50 yarder from Martang Dramatica but there was a late late half drive, Tony Romo, punched it in with Patrick Creighton for a touchdown to put Dallas up 10 to 6 at half. These last two minutes were crazy. The last like four minutes are crazy.

What do you think about when you think of this game other than the fumbled snap? Two beat up really flawed teams that put on a classic television showcase. It's classic NFL. They were not great teams. They didn't play well down the stretch, but give you a wildly entertaining game,

iconic coaches, underrated quarterbacks, crazy environment. That's why the NFL is king. You don't need great teams to have dramatic games. It was situationally wild. It wasn't a clean game. It was just great television. Very wild.

I mean, 93-yard kickoff return touchdown by Miles Austin. Yep. Like, if you do that, your percentages of winning are like 94%. So let's kind of get into the last. eight minutes because I think that's really where the bulk of this game kind of happened. Seattle was trailing 20 to 13.

Hasseback goes to the end zone and gets a pass interference. The ball's on the one, but they can't punch it in. There's a turnover on downs. The spot. Remember that spot? I don't. The Witten's spot? It would have been a first down. That's why they had to kick the field goal. They gave him the first down. And then they took it away.

It really wasn't conclusive after I watched it. because where he caught the ball it's where he caught the ball it looked like it was over and it was kind of rigged I feel NFL is scripted I don't know about rigged but it's hard to overturn

a spot in that moment when it was on the field they overturned it down it probably was short but was there enough there to overturn it this is still pre keep going so that was the last that was a part of the play right before

because that was a fourth down that led to the botch snap but before that the safety So then with six minutes left, six minutes, 42 seconds left, Dallas takes over on the one. And we have a Terry Glenn fumble that goes out back of the end zone for a safety. It looked like it might have been a touchdown, but one of the players while he's touching it barely, I think it was, he stepped out of bounds, so it was a safety and not a touchdown.

And then Seattle stops Dallas, and then with five minutes, 45 seconds left, Matt Hasselbeck leads Seattle downfield and hits Jeremy Stevens down the middle for a 37-year touchdown. They go for two, which you had thought. on. Yeah. So if you looked at their fourth down play when they lost it on the one-yard line, Seattle, I hate when teams cut off the middle of the field in like a low red area play. Like I've got to have it play.

Yeah. So like on the two-point conversion, they were running like a drag and they were flooding the zone over on the right. So if the defense has everyone over there, there's no backside look, there's nothing there for you to do. So you're cutting off half of the field. they did the same thing on the two-point play. Like, I just, I didn't understand it. So they missed the two-point, leaving the door open only going up, 21 to 20.

So with four minutes, 18 seconds left, Tony Roma takes over, a little bit of opportunity to be a hero. There's an eight-play, three-minute and ten-second drive down to the Seattle two, which was, as you mentioned before, though Jason Witten looks like a first down, might not a first-down challenge the spot removed, so it's fourth down. and that's when the infamous Tony Romo botch snap,

if you want to talk through that play a little bit. We were talking about it earlier. I mean, when you watched the play, he looked like he got a case of the yips. It looks like he didn't call fire because I'm sure they have a fire play whenever there's a bodge snap. Like you practice this on Friday practices.

Like, all right, guys, let's run the fire drill. And then for a second, I thought he was going to get in. I remember watching this as a kid. I was like, he's going to run it in. I thought he was going to run it in. Yeah, well, it is kind of your vintage Romo that he screws up and is so athletic he almost makes the play of the year for the Cowboys.

That's so Tony. He didn't even need the score. He just needed to get the first down, too. I think the real question here we were talking about earlier during our prep was why was Tony Romo even still the holder at this point of the season? This kind of revolutionized the game because this was the last time you really saw backup quarterbacks holding the... The field goal. Plus analytics has moved.

You know, the PAT is now harder. Analytics have come in. So the traditional PAT just doesn't, it's so much has changed for just a simple play that used to be a go get a beer at the fridge play. Like the short field goal. Like the PAT now has drama. So what they're doing to the kickoff rule. Yeah. The NFL figures out where, you know, these, this was, is usually in my life, that's a 99% game winning kick.

That just, that ends it. And so with that failure, it makes people reevaluate situationally what you're doing with a quarterback taking the snap. Yeah. Which is weird. You have all that. If you think about it, it's a precision play. You have all this energy. You're on cloud nine. You're probably the worst guy I want taking a snap. I want guy that is just like come off the sidelines, ready to go. That's all I do. Tony's got a million things going through his head. He's tired. He's exhausted. Now he's got to get down to a special. team situation in crappy weather. It's tougher than you think.

No, it's very, I was a backup holder. It's very tough. The holder and kicker or the kicker and now the punter usually holds for the field goal guy or the field goal kicker. And those guys are practicing that operation all day long. Like, so they know

how to snap it. The snapper knows how to snap it to where the laces are in the right area for the hand of the holder. Like that's how precise it is nowadays. It's just, I mean, this is, it's crazy to see a backup quarterback

or now you're starting quarterback, even a quarterback holding it. And this wasn't even that far far along. Are you, are you, see Hawks fans still? Not really. Not really. I'm kind of a

show fan. Who's the most interesting? We're the show fan. What's best for the show? What's best for the show? They're not, they have a rookie coach, a new staff. We don't know him. Gino's sort of a guy. So they're not, you know, the teams that Kansas City, Baltimore with Lamar, people love them or don't, Harbaugh now, Niners, Eagles with Sequin, Cowboys Brand, Packers with Jordan Love. You know, there's seven or eight teams that are more interesting. Then you get into the Seattle's, Tennessee's. I mean, Seattle can win eight games and they're still sort of nondescript. Yeah. Can you walk us through this play? What was going through your mind when you're watching this actual play?

Well, I thought my, at the time, you know, in this game, I wanted the Seahawks. You know, at this point, I'm thinking, yeah, I'd like the Seahawks to win. Yeah. You know, my friends are Seahawks fans. And I thought, oh, that's a bummer. You know, again, in that era, that was just, you were going to make it. I can remember just being like, because I always love Parcells. I can just remember thinking, Jesus, is that ever happened before?

Is that in the history of football, that ever happened? The snap is good. It's caught. Then it's bobbled. It's a very unique play. And if you watch him right before the play, Parcells, he's like yelling like, it's not over yet.

Like he... Oh, he's animated on the sideline. Oh. We're not seeing it here, but I remember the game. He was barking. Oh, yeah. And what gets lost in the sauce a little bit

with people remembering this game is there was a moment after this. There was about a minute left. Dallas was able to stop Seattle. It was a bad point. and they actually had a Hail Mary opportunity. Yeah. They had a really good Hail Mary. Yeah. Where they had exactly what they wanted, the diamond in the end zone with the guy in the middle,

and Romo made time to let his guy get downfield, and it just didn't happen. Yeah. Mike Holmgren said, you end up seeing about everything, one more thing for the journal. It's really an all-time gaffe. And Seattle, Dallas hasn't gotten past the divisional round since. No, they haven't. Final score, 21. 20 C-Ox. Average teams, beat-up teams, classic game.

Sounds like a Dallas game. Kind of. It does. What's the aftermath? Parcells never coaches again. Parcells never coaches again. Dallas hasn't gone past since the divisional round since. Homegren was there for what, three more years?

Two or three more years? Two or three more years. Yeah. And then they went with Pete, I think. Where does this? This has got to be one of their top ranked losses of all time. It's one of Rommel's more memorable plays. Well, I'm talking about the,

the cowboys. Yeah, it's one of the ugly ones. Are they ever going to get past this curse? What do you think? How many more years? I think they're a flawed football operation. Too beholden their own picks, too insular, not enough exterior

voices, not willing to hire a coach that pushes back on Jerry. I just think they're a flawed business operation. It's like the Lakers, you know, they rely on, you know, Kobe's agent runs the franchise, former players in the building.

Big brand, but kind of flawed operationally. I'm a big believer in hiring outside voices for a business to test you and challenge you and question you. And Dallas doesn't do that. You got it. It gives you new perspective. You have to bring in people outside the building. I think the downfall of the Patriots late is Bill going back again

and hiring people, Matt Patricia, and Joe Judge. And I think you need fresh eyes. Vee Ed Fish. What are you talking about? Jetfish, head coach of Washington. You need perspective, new perspective, outsiders. Now, what do you think in the comparison of the Homegren era versus the Pete Carroll era of Seattle?

Well, one was very much about elevating offensive players. The other one was about running game, stay low on turnovers, and win with intimidation and defense. Yeah. I mean, a lot of what USC was is what with just great linebacker play, great pressure, liner, not a lot of turnovers, a good strong run game, Bush,

Lendale White. That was the Seahawks. Yeah. I mean, that's... That Seattle Six, they call it. Their defense that they all run. Yeah. It got a little outdated, but I think Pete's era was... Everyone uses it, though. That's what everyone uses.

They don't play man. It's like a matched man. It's like a zone man. We have any leftover questions over this crazy game that Tony Romo wishes he forgot? I got a couple... But we'll never... Corrections and additions. There's more corrections than I can handle.

We usually have Jack our researcher guy here, so I'm filling in. He's texting me like crazy. But I want to add that the Bellevue Wolverines absolutely dismanted the country's top team, Day LaSalle, in Concord, California, sending the mighty Californians home with a thorough 39 to 20 beating in front of 24,000 fans for the second annual Emerald City Kickoff Classic in 2004. So a good member with that, Joel. Well, you know that they weren't in a division in our area. They would go play state champions.

They would go to Texas and play their state champion the year before. They would go to Florida and they would beat up on those teams for 20 years. Yeah. It's got to happen soon. We'll be right back after this quick break. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying.

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I would call it the Romo snap game. The Romo snap game. Let's score the game. Is this a greatest game of all time? Let's score it. Stakes 1 to 10 in a divisional round calling. Decimals are okay. What are the stakes this game?

Oh, 1 through 10, the stakes were low, probably a 4. It is a playoff game. It meant a lot for Parcell's career. Let's go 4 and a half. We got an integrity-type score going here. Joe, you got scored too. I would say like a six and a half. It's still a playoff game.

Dallas hadn't won a playoff game in a long time. Seattle, there's a lot of stakes because they had a shitty season. They just went to the Super Bowl. They're battling the Super Bowl slump. So Star Power in this game, 1 to 10. Not a ton. Parcells may have been the biggest name. Tony Romo second.

A running back was big. Very little star power, about four and a half. Again, the crowd felt like as big a factor. Parcells was the star of the game. really. Yeah. You got two Hall of Fame coaches. I'll go with a six, a flat six.

The game play of the game. Sloppy football, but a lot of excitement. Oh, the play of the game's a nine. A nine. It's one of the craziest. I mean, it's like the David Tyree catch. You've never seen it since. When you have a play in football and you're like,

I've never seen that. That's all time stuff. That's like people in the living room screaming when that happens. Both sides are screaming. A lot of times you get one side screaming. Like cowboy fans are screaming and Seahawk fans are cheering. Like that's a wild play.

This is about our 60th game and you just made us think of something I never thought of before, which is we've always just used gameplay as just a single game, but I think there's difference between an audience's version, like opinion of the gameplay and a coach's because this game, a coach might be like gameplay dog shit.

But an audience is like that last fourth quarter that's incredible back and forth. Yeah. This is what we do at games with names. We bring an outside person. perspective to try to make our business better. It was also shocking. Most touchdowns aren't shocking.

Most great plays aren't shocking. Yeah. That's a shocking play. A gimmie. David Tyree. That's a shocking play. That was a very shocking play. I'm going to go with the gameplay 7.5, 7.5.

The name of the game, I mean. Well, I mean, in the history, there, you know, there's been the Raiders, Steelers, you know, the Bradshaw, Frank O'Harris is one of the, it's probably the greatest name. Maculish reception. Probably the greatest point out here. I'd put it a five, five and a half. It's the Romo snap game. But it is memorable.

Very few games can you use three or four words, and everybody knows what you mean. Oh, everyone knows this game. Yeah, the Des Bryant non-catch game. That's. You know what that means? Yes, you do. The David Tyree catch game. Without a doubt.

I'm going to go with that his point just made my points go up. Yeah, the cultural relevance of it. The cultural relevance of this game is huge. So I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with the 7.9, 83, 805, 7. There you go. And what does it stand in our games? Probably low.

This is, it's above the 2031 game, 1995, Angels, Orioles, Cal Ripkin, Iron Man game and then just below the 2011 Stanley Cup final game seven Bruins Canucks we do a insane disservice to hockey on this podcast yeah everybody does game seven is right above this we love hockey botch snap game but I got to see guys running on field or courts it's too fast I can't follow the puck Colin you want to add anything about this game no I got a got a company called the volume check it out Google the volume.

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Very grateful. Well, we're grateful to have you here in the Nudhouse doing games with names. It was honestly a pleasure. I've learned. so much from you just being out of football and in the fox world for a little bit. You know, I really do watch your show and how you compute things and you're able to communicate things with your analogies and bringing in pop culture to ultimately bring it to a sport or your point is like, I look up to that.

It's awesome. I appreciate you coming doing the show. I have a good route. tree. Man, that was an awesome show. He's a really calculated smart man. He could talk and be interesting for, I think, consistently, like the entire day. Like, you could just be just hearing something from him and it's interesting and you're engaged forever.

It's an insane skill set that he has. Curiosity, hard work. You've got to be more curious now. He said, I'm curious. So you're curious. All right, let's hit the hotline. All right, let's hit the hotline. Remember, guys, the number is 424-291-2290.

Let's hit the old hotline. What's going on, fellas. Jules, I want to hear you talk about that touchdown. You scored on special teams off that fumble recovery that kind of like just popped in your hands. Die hard past fans since 96. Love the podcast. Let's fucking go, baby. Man, that play, thank you for the call.

That play was awesome. That was Thanksgiving, I believe, 2012 in New York. That's the butt fumble game. It was a butt fumble game. McCordy went down and hit McKnight, and I was flying down the field, converging. And the ball, like, it was like out of a dream or something just popped up, and I saw it and caught it in stride and went in.

I mean, it was just a weird play, but awesome play. We've been trying to, we've been circling that game for a while. I've been talking flirting with Mark Sanchez, flirting with Vince Wolf for our, this game. Chito? We want to do this game. Patriots win 49, 19 on Thanksgiving Day. Yeah, that was a bad game for them. I think we scored like 21 points or 19 points in like 35 points in the second quarter.

And like, there was like the back to back to back to back. I think Fireman Ed, I think he retired. Then they brought him out of retirement. He's back. He's back. It's good for the game. We need Fireman Ed. No, this is real early. I don't even know if I should be saying it. But there's some whispers of some stuff about doing some episodes from the Jet Stadium with some people. It just got thrown on me. That's all I can say.

Oh, my God. But let's just say it'll be worth it if it happens. It's not the Jet Stadium first off. That's how soft said Jet Stadium. I even in that moment when he said that I was like it's giant stadium idiot but it's not even giant stadium anymore it's met life stadium it's the met life stadium the old giant stadium is I played in the old metal lands first start I love that highway that just like drives by and it's really just a fucking swamp just off in the distance yeah but it's so cool like when you you get off the plane and you're driving

towards the or where your hotel we stay at the airport hotel for no distractions obviously Flying the Newark. Yeah. And you drive and you see the city on the right and then you see big old metal lands on the left. You see like the ski park. See a bunch of crazy Jets fans. It was awesome.

You played some games against the Giants there too, right? Yeah, I broke my foot there. That was that with the last minute field goal. Yeah. Deion Lewis, too. All right, next one. So going back to the Seahawks Super Bowl with the Patriots,

obviously they ran a lot of single high stuff without getting too technical I was just curious from a viewer's standpoint they ran a lot of single high stuff which is like cover one cover three how were you guys able to identify the one versus the three during the play because it seemed like you had a lot of post snap adjustments or Billy O'Brien calls them side adjustments like how are you able to identify that stuff and snap routes off to the proper positioning where Tom

was able to time things up and hit things where they need to be. That's a great question. That was the old Seattle 6. Dan Quinn was the head coach or the D.C. And the one thing about Seattle and that defense and the Legion of Boom, they did what they did. They rushed for and they played like this match zone on the back side with their secondary. And they had really good football players that all played on a string.

So if one guy went somewhere, another guy went another where, another place. It was pretty easy to see man coverage versus zone coverage. That's why you saw a lot of the times we'd have Gronk way outside. So if you saw a linebacker went over with Gronk, you knew it was man coverage. They weren't going to put, you know, a linebacker out there to play cover three. If they put a, you know, if the corner was out there on Gronk or through a formation indicator or some sort of motion. And it would be a corner out on whatever player

that shouldn't have a corner, then you knew it was a zone of some sort. But it was tricky with them because their zones played like matched man zones. You know, the outside guys, you know, they play with a less fear factor because they had things coming to break on the under of them. So they were able to jump routes

and keep their eyes in the backfield. That's what those defenses get to do. And they only do that is, was because of Bennett and all the interior guys that they could get after the quarterback with just four guys. So you need to have a really good defense aligned in order to do that.

And they also just so happen to have one of the best secondaries, you know, of my era. So it was a crazy good defense. But we knew what they were to do. We knew, and they were a team that did what they did. They knew you knew what they were playing. They said, we're going to run it, you beat it.

That was their motto. We just had a lot of good stuff dialed up for them. Love it. I also just realize you're wearing a Seahawks shirt right now, too. I know, I'm wearing a Seahawks. That's the AFC Seahawks. This is AFC. I'll do one more. Last one.

Hey, Julian. Hey, guys. How you doing? So I'm in my car on my way at home from work listening to this video when all of a sudden I, felt like calling and asking you, Julian, what is the best piece of advice you've ever received? Best piece of advice you've ever received. The one thing that comes to my mind is my dad, when you're green, you grow, when you're ripe, you're rot.

You always got to keep learning. You think you all the answers, that's when you get picked. Then you get picked, you ain't live no more. You're dead. You're done. When you green, you grow, when you're, you're, you're going. You're green, you grow, and you're ripe, you're raw. It works in every facet of life.

I use it all the time now, too, because of Frank. Mostly just to you. Yeah. But it's an extension of Frank. It is. Man, what an episode. Thanks again to Colin. That's been another episode of Games with Names.

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