The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The truth about Tom Brady

Episode Date: April 8, 2020

Colin talks about the Tom Brady's lengthy interview with Howard Stern and why it should make you like him even more. Guests include Jay Glazer, Nick Wright, Michael Holley, and Chris Long. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Joy Taylor is joining me in living color. You should be able to see here on FS1 today and hear her on all our radio affiliates. She looks amazing as usual. Joy, how are you this morning? I'm great, Colin. I have a little different backdrop today, but we're back on television.

Good to see you guys. We are tinkering every single day. We don't know when we're back in the studio. Maybe it's the governor of California that decides that there's a lot of incredibly encouraging news with the virus. Hospitalizations are coming down. Death rates, it should be noted, are a lagging indicator.

The key indicators before that are hospitalizations. Those are going down. The surge in hospitals is not as daunting and jarring outside of New York City as it was expected. The models are indicating. The numbers are coming down. There's some optimism today. And of course, Tom Brady went on with Howard Stern.

So I like Howard Stern. and I like Tom Brady. So we have ourselves a show today. So here's the big bombshell in the interview. If you did not hear it, Tom Brady was asked by the king of all media, Howard Stern, you know, when you decided to go? I don't think there was a final, final decision, you know, until it happened. But I would say I probably knew before the start of last season that it was my last year. I knew that, you know, it was just our time was, you know, our time was coming to an end.

So before the season started, put his house up for sale, that's when he made the decision. But you just don't make a decision then. Doors are open. What they say is before people have affairs, physically they have emotional affairs, right? You start flirting a little bit before you have the affair. Well, January 2018, ESPN the magazine, multiple or at least one coach up the food chain, we could win Super Bowls with a lot of quarterbacks. That opened the door to the flirting. That opened the door to opportunities.

It's the Kevin Durant-Dremont Green fight. It didn't decide it, but it opened up the door. And once the door gets open and people start flirting. with you and sending your roses and you start it's not as ideal the door has to be open Tom Brady had never considered leaving he joked about it he used to say it's the best place January 2018 new england coaches sell them out in an article it opened the door to the flirting and then of course he'd just been MVP took a pay cut been doing that for 10 years reads the article and he's thinking what

Well, you don't appreciate me? And then, of course, three weeks later, he throws for 500 yards, his best Super Bowl performance, never punts and they lose because Bill Belichick won't play Malcolm Butler. Or at least that's what players thought. So now, I've been taking a pay cut. You say you could win with multiple quarterbacks. And I have the best game of my career in the playoffs. We don't punt. And because you and your rigidity won't play.

Malcolm Butler, we lose. Now it's not just flirting. It's meeting for coffee. Now it's maybe we should have a cocktail. You're sliding into DMs. Following season, he wins a Super Bowl, and they won't give him a friendly deal after the Rams Super Bowl. Then he makes his decision. Now it's over. But all these affairs, all the, it starts by opening the door. And that article made him go, Time out, time out. I'm the best ever. I've taken pay cuts, and you don't appreciate me.

And I'll tell you what appreciation means. I watched a great documentary last night. It was called American Factory. It's fantastic. Best documentary I've seen in a long time. And I watched a lot of documentaries. And it's about basically a Dayton, Ohio. A factory closes, Middle America,

small town kind of, not that small. And then a Chinese billionaire comes in, communist country, and opens up a factory. and he is unhappy with how inefficient the American system is. But he forgets that the American system is not communism. And the American system is eight hours a day. And Americans want to feel appreciated. But what was fascinating about it of the many things that were fascinating,

the workers didn't want to be rich. That wasn't about it. But they didn't feel appreciated by the Chinese billionaire. And they felt appreciated by general manager. before they closed, GM before they closed, that feeling appreciated matters. Tom Brady never asked to be the highest paid. Those workers in Dayton, Ohio, never asked to be the highest paid. It wasn't about that.

But can you appreciate me going to work head down doing a repetitive job over and over and over? I have value, too. Tom never asked to be royalty. He was never asked to be royalty. He never asked. He carried your water. He took pay cuts.

He would always bite his tongue when people asked him out after games about certain situations. He would say, well, whatever coach says. But that article is like, we don't even appreciate you. That opened the door. People need to feel appreciated. Tom wasn't. And he decided after winning that Super Bowl against the Rams, he did not play well. He'd won a Super Bowl, but once New England wouldn't even give him the contract he wanted an extra year, boom, out, house up, made his decision.

Now, here was the other thing about the interview. And I got about 10 different bites. But Tom Brady is a very successful guy, and he's married to a supermodel and they have beautiful kids, blah, blah, blah. But you would think, you know, everybody always makes fun of the National Enquirer and the gossip magazines. but about two years ago, I would see it at the grocery store. I'd look over. When I go to the grocery store, I'm over at Ralph's in Los Angeles. I look over, and it's like, Tom Brady and Giselle, they are fighting like crazy.

They are squabbling. This thing is in trouble. Oh, what do you know? They were right. Tom Brady talks about Giselle at one point a couple years ago, not happy with Tommy. and she put her foot down. She didn't feel like I was doing my part for the family.

You know, and she felt like I would play football all season. And she would take care of the house. And then all of a sudden when the season would end it, I'd be like, great, let me get into all my other business activities. I had to, like, check myself because she's like, I have goals and dreams too. It's just not to, you know, do these things either. So you better start, you know, taking care of things at the house.

She actually wrote me a letter. and it was a very thought-out letter that, you know, she wrote it to me and I still have it. And, you know, I keep it in a drawer and I read it, you know, and it's a very heartfelt letter for her to say, this is where I'm at in our marriage. My first takeaway is when a wife writes a letter, they got one bagpacked. If they get it notarized before you get home, it's over. But she had one bagpacked. And my second thought is, Lord, if Tom Brady's wife isn't happy, guys, we're screwed.

I mean, if Tom Brady's driving home and the wife's like, I've got to write a letter. This guy is not delivering enough in our marriage. It's over for me. I might as well go to an attorney driving home today. If Tom can't, if she's not satisfied with Tom Brady, I'm going right to an attorney after the show today. So Brady apparently that's why he skipped the OTAs. Remember a couple years ago he skipped OTAs? Everybody's like, ah, it's Ballot Check.

No, it's Giselle. Giselle was writing letters. And let me tell you something. This has only happened about once or twice in my life. And it's the worst phone call you can ever get from your wife. This is the worst. We need to talk when you get home. I mean, honestly,

I stop off at a liquor store and start drinking. I mean, I, that is, I've had that happen to me twice. We need to talk when you get home. And I'm like, I don't have a burner account. I'm not having an affair. Is the house on fire? No, she'd have more, she'd be screaming. Basically, Giselle,

Giselle did the only thing worse than that phone call, which is she wrote a letter and handed it to him. I've had one of those, too. Not this wife. So, but that's why he skipped the OTAs. Instead of throwing his 9,000 slot route in Costa Rica in the offseason to Julian Edelman, he decided to stay home, hang out with a family, connect with the family. But it is nice to know that we've been talking, Joy and I have been talking over the last

couple of weeks about not only do we hope we're creating normalcy for you, but you're certainly creating it for us. You're giving us a purpose. But it is nice to know that the supermodel and the greatest football player of all time, they're dealing with the same crap. All of us are. They're writing letters. We need to talk when you get home.

I'm doing too much. You're not doing enough. It makes me like Brady even more. He's even a little more relatable today. All right. Coming up, I thought it was fascinating. The all-decade team came out yesterday. Brady starting quarterback, Aaron Rogers, the backup or the second quarterback.

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To hear this and more, listen to Reality with the King on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back, Howard Stern interviewed Tom Brady today. I didn't hear the beginning of it. They had a bunch of technical problems I heard, but then it was two hours. And, you know, Tom's political, but I thought he had four or five things. You can't be interviewed for two hours and not be, you know, authentic. And, you know, Tom is, I think he's a really loving, you know, Tom Brady is loved by many and loves many.

And that's the perfect life to me. Tom Brady talked about legacy. And to me, we all want to be thought of well, right? But legacy, as a broadcaster told me years and years ago, a very famous broadcaster, said, Legacy is mostly about ego and vanity. You care how others think of you. And if you really are good at your job, you don't worry much about that. I mean, we're all, you know, nobody likes to be ripped, right?

You don't like to be heard all day people ripping you. But if you're really secure in who you are, you don't care a lot about legacy. So Tom Brady, you know, Howard was talking about why would you leave New England? You could go to Tampa and struggle your legacy. And here was Tom's perfect response. I never cared about legacy. I could give a bit about that's never I never once when I was in high school said man I can't wait for my what my football legacy looks like I mean that's a very it's just not me that's not my personality so why would I choose a different place it's because it was just time I don't know what to say other than that like I had done everything I accomplished everything I could in two decades with an incredible organization incredible group of people. and that will never change.

And no one can ever take that away from me. No one can ever take those experience or Super Bowl championships away from us. Tom, big family feels loved. Tom loves many. He's loved by many. He's secure in himself. Therefore, legacy doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter. He wants to win games and drive home and be with his wife and his kids and talk to his dad and his sister. That's why Tom is secure in himself. That's why he's not thin-skinned. Legacy doesn't matter. Take the other quarterback in the all-decade team. Aaron Rogers, who said two days ago, quote,

my thing is, legacy is really important. Aaron Rogers has a well-documented struggle with his family. Isn't married, doesn't have kids. Legacy matters. It really does. Who's thin-skinned? Aaron, who's not, Tom? who has a wide net of people there supporting him.

Tom, who fires back at people you'd think would be close to him, brother or family. Aaron. It says a lot that Tom, Brady, and anybody listening, if you're really doing it right, and it's not just about you, and you've got partnerships and kids, or you don't have to have kids, or friends, a wide social net or a wide family net, and you feel loved and you love, you don't give a rip about what people say about you?

Michael Jordan's had the same eight buddies as friends forever. Jordan's got this incredibly tight social circle. LeBron, by the way, has the same four buddies he's had since high school. You'd think those guys are sitting around worry what people think about them? You worry about that stuff when it's about. you and for Brady it's always been about sacrificing and others as much

as him. Here's Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Colin Washington has plenty of options with the second overall pick in the draft and most people expect them to take Chase Young

and Ron Rivera says there would still need to be there would still need to be high impact players available to trade down. He said, if you're going to pass up player A and you go back and take player B, player B has to be equal to player A because if player A is going to play for you for 10 years, and player B might not, did you really get your value? Or did you just get a whole bunch of picks?

So you've just got to be able to sit there and say that the next guy that I'm going to take is going to be that high-impact guy. Now, there was a lot of Bs and A's and stuff going on there. But basically what he's saying is Chase Young is a sure thing. So if I'm going to trade down in the draft, I need a player that I also know is a sure thing that I have a resume on in the NFL and I know is going to be able to contribute right away because this is the number two overall pick and we have the ability to take the best player in the job the consensus best player in the draft we're not going to take a

quarterback from what it sounds like so that makes sense I I'm not a huge believer in hoarding up draft picks unless you're in a situation where you can then trade them like the dolphins have acquired an insane amount of picks 14 picks but they're likely going to make a big trade They're not going to take all 14 of those picks because as we know the draft, half the players are bused, half the players in the NFL are undrafted players. So it's good if you're acquiring them as pieces to move. But Ron Rivera's strategy on this is spot on. Well, and also, you know, it depends where he moved down. Like, if you move down three spots, he would probably also get a can't miss player.

But in the NFL, Joy, all the executives I've ever talked to have always said the exact same thing. there's about 17 guys per draft. That's it. You know, good draft or bad draft. There's 17 great players who are going to come in, start and make an impact. After that, from the middle of the first round, 17, 18 pick until the beginning of the third, you're getting really good players with either a limitation or a flaw, and coaching and system will have a huge impact. So it's one thing if I go from Chase Young and I go down three or four spots and I can get Jeff O'Coo to the corner from Ohio State.

date, then I do it. If I could get another sure guy and get another pick. But if you're dropping down, let's say you give up your first pick and your draft in 23rd, you're not going to get potentially Chase Young and you're going to watch him terrorize the NFL for a decade and you're going to get a really, really good two-time pro bowler. Right. So exactly. It depends on how far they move down on the draft.

Right. So the NFL is reportedly planning to install several safeguards to protect against technological issues during this year's virtual draft. One will be a conference call between all 32 teams, which would allow a GM to unmute themselves and announce their pick if something happened to the online system. They would also be able to email their pick as well. It's also, you know, turn off all those spam blockers.

It's also reportedly unlikely that the additional time will be added for each pick, but the league will give some leeway of any trade discussions are disrupted by tech issues and league sources. said that will be multiple tests of the system prior to the draft. Well, I'm sure most of the teams are dealing with a heavy amount of anxiety. I mean, we are making this work for television, which is incredible. And our tech guys are unbelievable. And the stuff that they've been able to put together in this time is amazing.

But as we know, stuff just sometimes just doesn't work. I don't really love the idea that they're not giving extra time because this, whether we're using real time conversation or not, There is an element of you need some extra seconds because we're not in the same room together. It's not a face-to-face in-room conversation. You know, here's what's going to happen. If there was a mistake, let's just say like the Raiders and you don't hear from them. Well, then the commissioner would call John Gruden directly and say, John, we got a meltdown.

I think the league is going to be like, listen, and it should be noted, I've been in a war room once. Teams about two picks with the Chargers, about two picks before your pick. you generally are down to like two guys. You kind of know what you want. And then if they don't pick one of those guys, the room erupts and everybody cheers. So you know before your official pick is on the board, most teams have a real sense right now.

In fact, let's say you're the Jets and you have the 11th pick. They need a tackle. If it's gone, they'll probably go wide receiver because there's not an elite corner or an elite pass rusher. So if the Jets don't get their tackle, they're going wide receiver because there's two or three great wide receivers. And I also think the league is not going to hose somebody. Say, nobody from Jacksonville called.

Okay, New England, it's your pick. I think this is the year where Goodell is going to have somebody next to them going, you know, call that team. Something's gone wrong with their IT guy. Yeah, they're going to give teams a lot of flexibility. And to your point, teams are prepared. It's not like they're coming in the morning like, so. I actually think we should go in this year.

So they are prepared. But like I said, I'm sure they're all. having a little bit of anxiety about how it's going to go because this is unprecedented. And most of these guys weren't working in the NFL at the time where you just did all this by phone. Right. So Kyler Murray had a strong first season and walked away with offensive rookie of the year honors. And Cliff Kingsbury expects even more from his quarterback this season, despite a lack of a regular offseason. He said we'd love for him to come back and be more hands-on for a couple months, that everybody is facing the same challenges.

I know Kyler is working really hard. he knows what we have to get better at, so I expect him to take a big step. Do I think it's going to stunt his growth? I don't think so. I would agree with that. That's fully expected that he should level up a little bit, but you have to consider that we're all dealing with similar circumstances.

Obviously, some guys can work out in a different way than others. Yeah, I mean, like, I'll give you a great example. I'm watching Russell Wilson's got a home studio, and he's got trainers over, right? And when I think of Kyler, I think of Russell Wilson. Well, Kyler's probably got, you know, a condo or a small place. have it all set up. Maybe he does. But I'm watching Russell Wilson and I'm like Russell Wilson is like LeBron. Russell pays a million and a half a year for trainers and his body. Russell Wilson on a daily

basis is sending out videos. You're like that dude, it is April and he is ready to play. And I think you and I have talked about this. Veteran players are going to have a massive edge on young players. There are rookies. There may be only a handful of rookies good enough to come in with no OTA and just make it through fall camp and start. I think it's going to be the year of veteran stars in the NFL more than ever. Anyone who already has their coach in place, their system in place, their quarterback in place, and their star receivers in place are going to be at a massive advantage this year. And I think, you know, we should all consider that when we are during the season making judgments of how fast teams are picking up or rookies are getting adjusted.

and not just quarterbacks at that. Like, everyone is going to be a little bit behind the curve. And you also have to consider with Kyler Murray. He just got DeAndre Hopkins. So he's got to get on the same page with him as well. And obviously a great vet and one of the best receivers in the league. But there is something to getting that chemistry going that, you know, that you have to consider as well.

But, again, everyone's working with the same circumstances and whether you are a veteran or not. So staying in shape and being on the same page and, you know, in rhythm with your receivers. It's just, you know, they just have to work a little more. Yep, joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Heard Line News. Sponsored by Mercedes, Ben, the best or nothing. We bring now, Nick Wright, co-hosts, first things first. Also, here on Sirius XM Radio every day. Okay, Nick, Howard Stern and Tom Brady, they did the interview. It was two hours long. There were some, you know, a little juicy tidbits in there. Let's start with this.

Tom Brady at one point talked about, quote, I never really had a backup plan. What did that mean to you? I loved it so much, Colin. It was my favorite part of the whole interview, and thanks for having me on. Can I ask you a quick question? Yeah. Did you ever have a backup plan?

Nope. This was it. Eight years old on. Yep. And listen, I'm not trying to compare myself to Tom Brady, but me too. I applied to one school, Syracuse, because when I was 12 years old, I was told this is where you should go. This is if this is what you want to do, my parents paraded me about it.

I said, I think I'm going to get in. If I don't get in, I'll go be a fireman like my dad was. This was the only thing. And I know this is a polarizing take. And some people say this is not the approach you should take. I think if you are trying to be the best in the world at something, it's the only approach you can take. And so I love it.

I love that from Tom. and I love the honesty from top. You know, when I listen to the interview, the other thing was Tom, and I love this quote, is that Tom Brady's like, you know, I never as a high school quarterback thought about legacy.

That's just not how I'm built. And I think with Tom, who's got this wide loving family, this big social net, he's very close with teammates. You know, he doesn't worry about that. And I think it's hard when you're a young broadcaster, young quarterback, your legacy's perhaps not formed, so you're more insecure about it.

But when I heard that from Tom, he's like, listen, I went to Tampa because I don't care about my legacy. I love that quote, did you? Well, I think you probably don't think about legacy at the very beginning. And I think when you're close to the very end, if you're Brady, you're so secure in your legacy, it doesn't matter. I think, you know, around, you know, what was Tom Brady thinking of his legacy in 2013 when Peyton Manning was throwing 55 touchdowns when Brady hadn't won a Super Bowl in a decade and Manning was going on this run with the Broncos? I'm guessing at that point, Brady cared a lot about like him.

That's not a knock on him at all, right? I think now that he's got six, he's lapped the field, everyone acknowledges. if he's the greatest ever, then I think he doesn't, I think it's circled back around the high school to where he doesn't care about legacy. But I think there was a point in time. And if you remember those emails that, unfortunately for Tom, we got to see between he and his father during the deflategate scandal where they talk about Peyton. And Brady says he's got one or two years left.

I've got six or seven years left game on. I mean, that's a legacy discussion in real. old time. And by the way, Brady was proven correct on that. So I believe him that he doesn't currently care about it. But I think at some point he absolutely did. And I don't begrudge him that at all. The all-decade team came out this week. Brady and Aaron Rogers were the quarterbacks. And I agree with that. But I do think perception, thank God, is not reality. The reality is, in the last eight years, Russell Wilson has not missed a start. He has worked with worse offensive lines and I think he's a better teammate and better quarterback that's made every

tied in and receiver and lineman work. He's better in eight years, the last eighth than Aaron Rogers and much healthier and can beat you more ways. But I do think Aaron Rogers over 10 years, he's got a Super Bowl win and he's got his best statistical year is the all-decade quarterback. But the difference is Brady's been in Goat. Rogers has been in goat conversations. Russell Wilson's never received a single MVP vote.

The perception is Rogers is a top five ever, and Russell's just kind of a small, quirky, fantastic athlete who's always had a great coach. I think they're much closer, much closer than advertised. What say you? Listen, one of the things you and I are in lock step on is that Russell Wilson is the most underappreciated, great, truly great player of this generation.

Now, part of that is because you have certain people, I can't quite remember who, you know, always promoting Andrew Luck over Russell Wilson, but we don't need to get no old stuff. But, listen, Rogers has the last three years, Rogers has not been a great, great quarterback weekend, week out, while Russell Wilson arguably the last three years has been the best he's ever been. And so Russell Wilson is in his crime, if not peaking.

Rogers is trying to hold on to the backside of it. But yes, because if a 10-year award goes to Aaron Rogers, a seven or eight-year award goes to Russell Wilson, and a three-year award obviously goes to Patrick Mahalo. But nobody's doing that. I knew you had to sneak that curveball in. Nick Wright is joining us. I believe the NBA, and I said this yesterday, this is kind of long and I won't bore you, but in Hollywood, Matt Damon can do two or three movies and then disappear for five years.

So can Denzel, so can, you know, Morgan Freeman, so can Tom Hanks. But then four or five years later they come back, do two or three movies. And once again, because they're stars and we love stars, they're the most popular actor in Hollywood. Baseball doesn't have stars. the NBA is driven by them. I believe baseball cannot withstand 18 months of no games. I do think the NBA could withstand no season because it's star-driven. If Matt Damon's got a new movie, damn it, I'm watching it.

And if Kevin Durant's staff are back, I'm watching it. So they have a big advantage over baseball. I think they're going to get in yesterday, Adam Silver, basically saying Labor Day is the cutoff point, which I love about Adam Silver. That really was encouraging to me because that told me they don't really even have to start practicing till mid-June and start playing till July. So I think an NBA season is going to happen. I do today. Do you? I do.

And now I will admit part of it is because I don't want to wrap my mind around the idea of it not happening. But I had the exact same reaction as you. It's silver giving. It sounds bad. It sounds weird. That Silver's saying a date that if they're not in by, they won't play being a good thing. The fact that he said Labor Day, I thought the exact same thing.

Okay, so that means you could have, you know, 10 days of the regular season, if you wanted, at the end of June, just as a warm-up, and in the full two months of the playoffs in July and August, and still get this thing in. The only issue I will take with what you were saying about the NBA being okay if they don't get it in. Of course, they'll be okay. But I'm going to later next week and the next couple weeks on first things first, shameless plug,

I'm going to go through LeBron's 10 greatest playoff games ever. And in researching that, I realized, I mean, the dude's got 40 playoff games that arguably could make the list. Why do I bring that up? we didn't get to see LeBron in the playoff last year. If they don't have a playoff this year, we won't get to see it. And then you're into year 18, and while I've never been in the business of doubting LeBron, then you are one tweaked growing away from what? LeBron not being in the playoffs again.

And then wait, wait, wait, was the last great LeBron playoff moment, the 51 point game one, and then we never see him in the postseason again? Like, if you miss this postseason, that door starts to open. and I think the NBA is so tied still to LeBron. It's very important this year gets in in some way, shape, or form. Nick Wright, Coho's, first things first. How's your family? In Los Angeles, you know, we drive to work.

We don't have a dynamic subway system. And we haven't had quite the intensity of the hospitalization scares that New York City has. In New York City today, Nick, how do you feel the safety you and your family? Listen, I'll give the good and the bad of it. The bad is, it is scary as far as we try to get outside to go on a family walk, and the streets are vacant, and the only sounds are, honestly, every minute and a half to two minutes you hear either a faint or a loud ambulance siren. That's scary. There's lines for the grocery store, and everyone's wearing masks. It feels weird.

The good of it is this. I live nowhere near a hospital. nowhere near a medical facility. Every day at 7 o'clock, my entire neighborhood in Harlem goes out on the porch and starts clapping. They're not even clapping for any medical providers. It's just like a citywide show of support

whether you're near a hospital or not. And it has, at least for me, selfishly, given me a month home with my daughters that I otherwise never would get. So you have been very, and I want to give you a compliment, in this regard. Twitter is always kind of more doom and gloom than it should be,

unless live sports are on, but particularly during this pandemic, your Twitter feed has been a constant source of whatever positive information there is out there to which I appreciate. And so I do think we're going to get to the other side of this eventually, but I can't lie to you. It is a surreal experience being here in New York City these last 30 days. Give your family love, your wife, Nick.

Thank you so much. You as well, do you enjoy? I talk to you soon. There are a lot of really positive signs today. New York City has been a hot spot. I do believe southern governors were a little slow to this. I think Georgia and Florida are going to get beat up a little bit, and they're not going to hit their peak for a while. But the University of Washington model, by the way, I've never understood models.

They never liked me in college, and after that, and I don't get medical models either. I don't do well with models, period. Never have. But the University of Washington model has come down several times off initial projections. I do believe social distancing for the next two weeks is incredibly important. And I do believe warm weather generally dims, stems sort of viruses. But by and large, I think you can look at this two ways. And the way I've tried to look at it, I've never spent this much time with my daughter.

We've lived together by ourselves for three weeks. The rest of my family's in Utah. I talk to them two, three, four, five times a day. It's been an unbelievable opportunity. She's a good roommate. One of us is having a good time. I'm wearing her out. One of us is having a great time.

And I've watched great documentaries. I've touched friends. I do phone calls for two hours a day. Long walks. My cat even likes me now. So I'm reexamining, rebooting some things in my life, trying to be more efficient. And it's been in a strange way, a really interesting opportunity for me to slow down my life, get off the treadmill. And that I appreciate.

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Howard Stern, you know, Baba Bowie likes sports. Howard's not into sport. Howard's really aged well. He's 66 years old, never been smarter. Oprah's 66. My daughter watched, my daughter and her grandma watched. the Oprah Sunday Soul, they call it, Sunday morning. Oprah's never been smarter. Howard's never been smarter. And I find it really funny in America. Donald Trump 73, Joe Biden's 77. Bernie Sanders

dropped out today. That's who's going to run for president. Beto O'Rourke, you didn't buy him. Mayor Pete, you rejected him. America likes experience. You had all these interesting. Kamala Harris, I thought, was feisty and smart and unique and a prosecutor. You rejected her. And Mayor Pete and Betta O'Rourke. You didn't reject Joe Biden. He doesn't want a revolution. He just wants to get us off the roller coaster we feel like we're on.

America, Howard Stern is 66. He got the Tom Brady interview. Oprah 66. This idea that new revolution folks, old is great. The happiest people according to studies are 58 years old. They're getting near retirement. So Tom Brady was talking about this. You know, Tom, and I said, I wish he'd just stop in New England, wrap a bow, it'd be nice and tidy. But it's not my life. I'm worried about Tom's legacy. Tom's not worried about his legacy. But he talked to Howard Stern about continuing to play, leaving this perfect legacy and moving on. You know, we all think we're going to live forever. But the reality is we don't know when our day is going to come. So I could sit here and go, well, stop playing football so I could, you know, worry about what's going to happen or worry about this or that.

Instead of saying, you know, why don't I live my life the way that I want and enjoy it, you know, in the ways that are going to be most fulfilling to me, which for me is doing what I love to do. You don't tell a musician stop singing, you know, at age of 42. You don't tell a great painter stop painting at 42. Now, if you want to stop, stop, go ahead. but for me, because I feel like I can still play, doesn't mean I should just stop playing because that's what everyone's telling me to do. By the way, Howard Stern started painting about 10 years ago

and playing chess, and he's pretty good on the guitar now. He's evolved. He doesn't do as much stripper talk. It's a much smarter show. Oprah used to do a talk show host. Now she runs a network. It's a smarter show. Is it Tom Brady, the happiest people I know in this country have a purpose?

and as you age and the kids move out of the house so you're not raising them and you get to be 62 and 65 I never wanted to be a guy that race to a golf course six days away six days a week and golfed and my brain turns the mush I never wanted to do that.

It's nothing against golf. I love watching golf majors. I love the Masters. I love the British Open. I love the U.S. Open. I love watching golf majors. And I've gone to golf tournaments and I like hitting golf balls.

But I don't want my brain to turn to mush golfing with the same guy six days a week. Tom Brady has a purpose and he's got a direction. And the happiest healthiest people I know have, especially as you age. You know, when you're young, you don't have kids to worry about. When you're old, they're no longer in the house. What's your purpose getting up? The mom, the husband, what's the purpose?

The purpose is doing something you love. And this idea that Tom Brady can no longer play is absurd. A year ago, not this past year, one year earlier, 66% completion rate, 4,500 yards, 98 passer rating, 29 touchdowns and 11 picks. Gronk was olden on his last year, and Edelman was the worst number one receiver in the league. Last year, his bad year with a bad offensive line, no number one receiver and no tight end to speak of, Brady's numbers were, oh, wait, he threw again for over 4,000 yards. with no weapons.

They got Muhammad Sunu mid-season, and New England's offense doesn't do well with rookie receivers and no tight ends and guys that come in mid-season. This idea he can't play is ludicrous. Phil Sims came on her show and said that a month ago. It's up. Stop saying that. I hear people on TV. His arm is not as good.

What are you watching? His arm might be better now than it's ever been in his career. Yes. Yes. He might run a 5, 3, 40, or whatever it was, but he dances in the pocket like he's 4 or 5. You watch him, I've seen highlights over from last year, and I look at him, I just go, man, he can just move around that pocket like he's a ballet dancer. And that is something that I don't know why more quarterbacks don't emulate now.

Yeah, he can play. He's played for the last couple of years. I don't think people are taking this into consideration. And this is not a shot at my former employer. not. But the way the structure was built at my former employer, basically John, a guy named Vince and I did the show, two people. I didn't have a joy. I didn't have a Dave Coelho, my guest booker. I didn't have seven to eight to nine other people in the room. That's why my numbers have gone up. That's why I tripled my TV audience. And my digital has gone up six times. And my Facebook is now

330 million views a year. And my YouTube has grown. And my digital is growing. Why? Because I have a much better staff to work with. That's not a shot at the other people because I took one of them. The point being is Tom is going to go from arguably the weakest weapons in the league. Julian Edelman's a three to a two on many teams. On the Rams, I'm not even sure where he's at. There are organizations that have wide receivers. I mean, where would he be on most teams? I mean, where would he be in Dallas? He wouldn't be a Murray Cooper. I think they like Michael Gallup. Zeke's going to get run. He'd probably be a four.

They let go of Cole Beasley. Cole Beasley's not that much different than Julian Edelman. He's not. The difference is Edelman's had Brady. Cole Beasley's got Josh Allen and a young deck. So the point being is now Tom's going to go to a better staff and better teammates and better co-workers playing in their prime. Chris Godwin going into his prime.

Mike Evans going into his prime. His tight ends, young, going into their prime or in their prime. All Tampa has to do really to me is getting. get a running back. Draft a running back. There's a bunch of really good kind of second, third, fourth, fifth running backs, fifth round guys. Get a running back.

There's a couple of things to address on the defensive side. And he just got a better team. Younger, more athletic, more help means a better content. Content for him is wins. I think Tampa and Tom are going to be a beautiful marriage. NFC is tougher than the AFC. It's deeper, but a very productive marriage. Hour 2, Jay Glazer next.

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You look great. And it's great to have you back on the TV side. Thanks. It's good to be back. We're back, baby, every day. That's right. We're making things happen. One of the things that is, I was glad Howard Stern interviewed Tom Brady this morning.

It went two hours. And, you know, Brady's the best quarterback I've ever seen in my life. Howard's, you know, along with Rush Limbaugh, Paul Harvey and Marconi, probably the foremost important people in a business radio that I grew up loving and still love and will love until the day I die. And so it's the convergence of two people I love. Howard, whose business model is the greatest ever along with Oprah and Tom Brady, who's the greatest I've ever seen. There's others close, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, but he's the guy. So there's just been this discussion. You know, there's not much of a market for Tom Brady.

Let me ask you this. Any industry, you're in insurance. Whatever you're in, you're in sales, your insurance, you're in pharmaceuticals. If there were eight openings in your industry and you were up for four of them, is that a market? Well, that's pretty good market. I know the Chargers thought they had him. The Patriots thought they had him. And Tampa Bay got him.

And I was told, and I trust my source, Indianapolis was interested. I mean, they took Philip Rivers, who's 0 and 8 against Brady. They wouldn't have taken Brady for two years? Really? They took the less athletic, more mistake-prone Philip Rivers. And they cost the same. They're not going to go public with it. I'm told the Raiders sniffed around.

So there was only about eight teams in the NFL that don't have a quarterback. Half of them were interested. That's a market. Teddy Bridgewater, by the way, had a market. Cam has no market yet. There are people in the media trying to engineer a market for Cam. Admit you were wrong. He was always overrated.

He had one great year. Just admit it. You're wrong. Westbrook, you were wrong. Cam, you were wrong. Mello, you were wrong. Okay. Cam will get into the league.

He didn't have a market now. Tom had a very healthy market. Here he was on Stern talking about it this morning. It felt good to be, you know, like I would say, you know, you have this college recruiting process where all the schools come and they want to show you their best. It was a fun experience for me to experience that. I enjoyed that aspect of seeing what other teams could offer and what other teams or what their processes were.

And I learned a lot from it. Yes, people wanted him. He's still a very good quarterback. He's not as dynamic as Russell Wilson. He's not. He's not as dynamic as Patrick Mahomes. But he's healthier than Aaron Rogers. And I think he's more coachable than Aaron Rogers.

And I think Aaron's really good. So there's some things about Brady today. I like more than Aaron Rogers. And there's some things, arm athletic ability, movement mobility. I like about Aaron Rogers. But the list of people that are absolutely better than Tom now is pretty small. I think he's very much Matt Ryan. And I like Matt Ryan.

I think there's a lot of Matt Ryan, Jared Gough, Tom Brady stuff. But if today I told you one game, win it all, Matt, Jared Gough, Brady. I take Brady. and I would take Brady with those weapons. Jay Glazer is joining me now. By the way, tomorrow on FS1 at 11 Eastern 8 Pacific, Fox Football Now, Jay interviewed Alden Smith, the new cowboy and Bruce Ariens this week. He's the owner of Unbreakable Performance Centers, Jay Glazer, Fox Sports, NFL Insider.

Let me start with this. It was so un-New England-like for Brady to go on with Howard Stern this morning, Jay. I mean, that was like he talked about at one point his testicles. So were you surprised he did the interview? No, I mean, look, you're saying it's on New England like he's not New England anymore. That's right. He's Tampa. You know, Bruce Ariens is a walking party.

Bruce Arons is the oldest frat boy in the history of life. What did Bruce, you have a good relationship, a very good relationship with Bruce Ariens, very tight. What did he tell you about the Brady thing that would give us a little tease to tomorrow night. So he, I was talking to him throughout the whole thing. And believe it or not, while everybody thought it was a done deal, he didn't because Tom hadn't signed it. It took him a couple days and he didn't sign. And the whole time, he's like, at one point, Bruce actually hit me up. He said, do you think there's a secret team here? He's like, until somebody signs, he's so paranoid, he's been around football for so long. And paranoia is part of your DNA if

your head coach. And he was like, is there another team? I'm like, oh, you're good, dude. I think you're good. But he really was, you know, a lot of these guys, he was almost like, too good to be true. Yeah. And then he also, he dives in.

I'm like, what did you really think, though, you had him? He's like an hour into our first phone call. Like, hour in, I started hearing his voice change and getting excited in some of the stuff that we're going to do with them. Oh, God, that's so great. God, what I'd pay. I'll say, that's a pay-per-view. If you could get that call, Glazer.

By the way, wait to you hear his answer to, too, because he started his career with Bear Bryant, and he's going to end his career with Tom Brady. And I ask him, I think how insane that is. And I said, if somebody came to you with the Hollywood script, and they wanted to write this, what would your answer be? So you've got to watch tomorrow night. What his answer is, it is only, he's the only head coach who would answer it this way.

Let's just say it that way. So Tom admitted on Howard Stern this morning. He made his mind up before the season. Did that surprise you? No. we all thought that was happening. We all saw this coming for a while. I don't think that's a surprise this at all know.

Yeah. I mean, he put his house up for sale. That's something, right? I mean, if you put your house, yeah. So, so, I mean, I... So, everybody else in his crew. So, no, I mean, we all thought this who's going to come to an end at one point. By the way, I've got to say that.

I kind of look at it differently than most where Bill Belichick and Tom Brady, they were pretty much married to each other for 20 years. these guys should start a marriage counseling course. If you, it took 17 or 18 years for up to hear any strife between these two guys. These guys need to have a TED talk on how to have a marriage where you don't see any, and he breaks in it for all that time. And yet, you know, Tom, even now he's going out graciously. I'm sure he can swing away if you want to, and he's not.

He's doing it as classy as you get. And I do think that there's an appreciation there from both guys. but think about how long you that marriage is where we didn't hear a piece of any sort of issues for 18 years. And remember, Jay, there was a 10-year span. They won Super Bowls early and late, but they had 10 years where they didn't. So this idea, really, they had two dynasties. They had one to start for five years and they had one to end for about five to six years. But they had a lot of years in the middle of this, Jay, when they got beat by good teams.

sometimes at home, sometimes in Denver. So this was not, you know, it's, and I said this before, the late Kobe Bryant and Shaq, as good as it was by year five, they were tired of each other. So let's just be. Right. And this took a long time for them. Even if they were tired of each other, no one talked about it, didn't get out.

They didn't air it out. And everybody talks in the NFL. There's a lot that we do know about the Patriots, but people, they do talk. And it's just human nature. but it's amazing at how long they kept it together where other relationships you hear pretty fast, like you're saying, even in Kobe and Shaq,

you hear about it all the time. Yeah. So we're going to have a virtual NFL draft. My takeaway, just to set you up for this, my takeaway has been it's the four happiest days in the NFL. There's no losers. It's 32 winners. You convince yourself as a fan.

Your seventh round pick's going to be a pro bowler. I think as we face this virus, we need good news. It's a telephone business. Nobody's going to catch anything. I don't think there's been a draft in my life that has meant more emotionally and psychologically for the league in the country. It is virtual. You cross your fingers. You can get Roger Goodell on the phone.

But what are your guys? My guys are a little concerned about it. Are your sources? Yeah. Well, it depends who you're talking to. But, yeah. By the way, I think guys like Matt Ruhl, I think guys like Matt Ruhl. such an advantage coming from college, knowing a lot of these players.

But there's definitely a concern. Look, I've talked to several GMs and head coaches about it, and I understand both sides of it because these guys, they're preparation freaks, and they feel like they can't prepare the way they'd like to for this. And the other end of it, I understand also, like, we need normalcy. And look, what sports are, we're supposed to be an escape. Yeah.

That's what we are. We're escapism. So it provides an escape. Now, I agree with doing something, if you're going to do it and do it virtually because you are supposed to stay physically distance, right, but it's keeping us socially connected. But I understand the other point, too, some people say, listen, right now it's hard for us to think about football. We're thinking about people's lives. I do understand both sides of it. I don't know what the, I don't know if there is a right or wrong answer. I think the right answer is that people stay safe. That's the right answer. By the way, you interview Alden Smith for Fox football now tomorrow night, 11, Eastern, 8 Pacific on FS1. Now, as we know, he's a new Dallas Cowboy. He had substance abuse for years. And by the way, how is he dealing with that now? You know, look, he originally got brought in. He actually got brought to the Fox studio by somebody he was going to AA with Jerry Steinberg and met me there on a Sunday. And it was about joining MVP, merging veterans, players.

as an ex-football player. As you know, we put these vets and these players together. And so he started there at MVP, and he really bonded with these vets, and he started opening up and he's coming up, and he's really been helping. He got so good and so supportive and helpful with a lot of our vets with substance issues

that when we opened up MDP in New York, a month and a half ago, all them flew in so he could talk about sobriety to the vet and players in New York. And, you know, there was a point there when he was going and we started talking. And he asked me yesterday, he said, what was the point that this wasn't part of any of you?

He was like, when was it, when did you decide that you were going to take a chance on me for, to come back in the NFL? And I said, when you all been started looking at saying, I don't deserve another shot in the NFL. Like, I messed it up. It wasn't them. It was me.

I messed it up. and he took responsibility for what his actions were. And once I heard that, and then he said to me, you know what, Jay, if I ever had a chance again, I would use my experience to help other people. Like I would love to help rookies that come in the league

and other people and get them to understand you've got to hit rock bottom before. And I started seeing this life coach version, Alden Smith, which is not the same Alden Smith that I knew. So I said to him, hey, dude, you want to play in the NFL? He's like, I'd love the platform.

I'm like, let's go walk and walk together. And dude, we have him up to 200, 87 pounds with a V. Like, I haven't seen anything like this. And, you know, we show videos tomorrow night. The first time anybody will see videos of Alden Smith, the new Alden Smith. And it's the first interview since he signed with the Cowboys. But he's also, he's just so grateful.

His life, he admits he was rock bottom two years ago. He'll tell you that story. But he really, when I tell you, he has bonded. So last week when he signed the contract, before we broke it on Fox football now, All of them jumped out. He was on two MVP calls last week. We have them in five different cities or five different ones that we're doing virtually on Zoom. He jumped on with the New York crew to announce it to them.

And he just said, guys, you have no idea how excited, like how great plan for you all. And one of our vets is like, oh, we can't wait for you. You know, opening week next year, you're standing on the sideline. The flag comes up. The anthem comes on. You got your head over your heart. The fighter jets go over. And you literally have an army with you now.

Like, he was so emotional and surreal. And, you know, his vulnerability, look, muscles aren't strength. Vulnerability is real strength. Yeah. Jay Glazer, I'm going to have them on tomorrow, too. Fox football now is tomorrow night. Good stuff. Alden Smith, Bruce Ariens interviewed two.

Can't wait to watch that. Cannot wait to watch it. I'm over Netflix. I've seen every show ever produced by Netflix. I'm officially done with Netflix. Jay, good talking to you. Hey, real quick, can I throw something in? Yeah.

Real quick, we are, and I haven't announced this yet, but I want to announce it now. Next week, it's going to be next Thursday, MVP. We're going to do a special MVP for first responders, for doctors and nurses, and EMT, and police, and firemen, and anybody who needs it will start sending that information next week. It'll be go to vets and players.org, but those are the people that need it, and our vets, they need a mission right now. So that's what we do. We live to help other people. So we're going to have a special one next Thursday.

We're going to try and do this and try and help them get through their own crisis. The people on the front line. Good stuff, Jay. Thanks, buddy. Thank you, buddy. All right. Coming up next, my big broad takeaway on a documentary I watched last night that coincides with what I saw with Tom Brady or Hurd from Tom Brady and Howard Stern. That's coming up.

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America is not New York City. And so it has been a crisis for New York and a neighboring state, New Jersey. But I've said this privately to friends. I never thought Los Angeles, it's not New York City. I think New York City has a dynamic that is much tougher for this story situation. And I think New York City's had great leadership, but there are some very encouraging numbers even coming out of New York City. So Tom Brady was on Howard Stern this morning, and my favorite part of it, my big picture takeaway, is Tom is now an individual.

The New England factory suppresses individualism. Belichick doesn't let his assistant coaches talk. Belichick, by the way, and this is not public, but I've had two different people that have worked inside the Patriot organization. By mid-January, Belichick's basically like, thanks scouts, I'll take the draft from here. By the way, they're not a great drafting team. They're not terrible. they're certainly not great, not top four or five. They're really bad actually drafting offensive players.

But I told you, I watched a documentary last night called American Factory, and it was comparing American workers and Chinese workers and our sort of DNA. One's obviously a communist country. And the efficiency is laudable in China. But they get one day off a week, 18 hours a day, never see their kids, don't even talk about vacations. and, you know, in America, individuality in independence is in our DNA. It's our fabric.

It's who we are. And, you know, you go to a factory and guys are wearing hats on backwards and got their tats and they're cracking jokes. And they feel like, you know, they're an individual working for a big company. It doesn't work that way. In China, you're part of a big company. And it's an intense life. I love the efficiency part, but I didn't like, it was any individuality was suppressed.

And as I watched it, there were so many messages. but with Brady is, nobody's saying the Patriots are a communist, but they have this kind of suppressive system where Belichick talks, players don't, coaches don't, your individuality is suppressed. And I think Tom's over it. You would never hear this interview with Tom Brady in New England. You just wouldn't hear it.

I mean, Stern this morning asked Brady an off-the-wall question about what he and Giselle were actually wearing this morning. I'm wearing normal, workout short. because I'm about to go work out after this, but my wife is wearing really cute tight pants, which I always like him. Yeah, that's not Foxboro, Tom. By the way, I think that

that is, yeah, tight pants. And I've told you, when I come home from work, I wear my dress shirt. Joy just goes into the minivan and wears warm-ups. I am all about business, so I keep a collared shirt on until things get, you know, whatever, about 9 o'clock. So the point being is Tom likes his wife in tight jeans.

Also, Brady opened up about a hit. A hit he took one time. And how one of his testicles got really big. The other quarterback of my team at the end of the game. So I pulled my shorts off at the end of the game because I thought when I got hit, something happened. It ended up being a hernia in the game where the abdomen wall split open. And then I don't know all the details. But other than that, the testicles were like, literally, like, one side was like, I would say, like an orange.

Oh. And then the other side was normal. And I was like, something's wrong here. And the guy who's my backup quarterback time, Matt Castle, drew pictures of me, like, with this one huge testicle on one side. And then he would leave him in my locker every day about, you know, this. I like this, Tom. I had the other Tom, suppressed Tom, no individuality Tom. I like this Tom.

I'm good with it. Joy Taney with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. Sponsored by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing. I've had that theory about Tom Brady for several years now. What's that? What's that?

I mean, that it's just a pod, Tom. Like, it's just this, like, robot Tom. And Tom Brady is really this guy, but, you know, in New England, he's got to be this Right. Right. No. So now he's letting loose. He's on Stern.

He's talking about Giselle's pants. It's wild. It's fun. I like it. It's on a lot. Yes, it is. So Steelers GM, Kevin Colbert has a suggestion to help out the teams as they work through the unusual draft process this year.

He reportedly told the league that they should add three more rounds to the draft. He argued that the extra picks would make up for the absence of player visits to team facilities, most pro days, and private workouts. I feel like this is a little excessive three extra rounds. Although I'm here for the extra content and the extra TV and, you know, the extra ability to talk about these picks and most of whom we won't know if there are three extra rounds on the end of the draft. I don't think that they need three extra rounds. I do think that they should add a little extra time.

Yes. For each pick. And of course, we're assuming that if anything goes wrong at any level with anyone that they'll, you know, give them the extra time thing. to fix things. But I think if you just give a little extra time within each pick, if nothing else to just account for, you're not in the same room together. Like you need a second to respond back on Zoom. Everybody can't talk at the same time and understand each other. You know, whatever it is, whatever programs they're using to communicate, whether it's the phone or email or whatever,

it takes a second for that to go through. So I don't think they're going to be held to a very strict standard that they're usually are for the draft. But I do think a little bit of flexibility and that space would be helpful. Yeah, and I think you're going to get that, and I totally agree. I don't, listen, the seventh round picks mostly don't make the league. We don't need an eighth, ninth, and tenth round pick.

Okay, let's, it's the bottom line, the way this draft works, by about the sixth round, you're kind of out of players. You know, you can give me examples, but, you know, your first five rounds of your players, then you're looking for backup, special team or scout team guys,

and then you sign some unrestricted, unrestricted free agents, but I, I, you know what, Joey, the well, just like the virus, the well-run lean companies in America will survive and the poorly run debt-ridden companies will not. The well-run NFL teams will be fine and the dysfunctional teams will struggle with this. That's how I feel about the virus and all of the trappings around it. Well, and also, I mean, it's one draft. You can recover from one bad draft.

And again, I don't even know how we'll really be able to measure that because everyone has busts in the draft. Nobody lands every pick and makes every right move. So we'll talk more about this story this afternoon on Joy Chat at 330 Eastern, 1230 Pacific on caffeine. It's a free app. Go download it. Subscribe to the Fox Sports channel and we will be live at 330 for Joy Chat. So the Falcons took a risk in signing Todd Gurley with all the questions surrounding his knee. He has not passed a physical yet, but GM Thomas.

Demetrov is not worried. He said that the team looks closely at it and have language in the contract that protects both the team and the player, but ultimately, he's very comfortable with Gurley's health and he believes that Gurley can help take Atlanta's offense to another level. I think we know what Todd Gurley is for the most part at this point. I mean, them signing him, they knew they were taking a risk. I don't think that the Rams wanted this to go the way that it did. Sean McVeigh has talked about it. He never envisioned not having Gurley there this even happening, but it felt like it was inevitable. Really after the Super Bowl, I think there was, we've talked about it many times.

There was always this kind of mixed messaging from the Rams about what was really going on with Todd Gurley. Like we can see one thing and you're saying something else. So what's really going on with Todd Gurley? And now I think we have the answer. I still think that he's going to be able to be productive, but is he ever going to get back to the Todd Gurley that we knew? Hey, listen, if you told me I could have Todd Gurley on my roster for $6 million or $5 million,

I'd take him. I just don't want him for 15. But there's value in Todd Gerr. I think I've always thought he's an underrated pass catcher. He's very good out of the backfield. I'd love to have Todd Gurley on my team. I just don't want to, in a salary cap. If it was baseball, I wouldn't care. He's absolute,

the idea that he's shot is wrong. But he's not an A, he's a B, but he's got value in this league. Of course, and he's extremely talented. We know that. And he's probably going to be playing with a chip on his shoulder. They're protected, obviously, from the wrist. in this point. But yeah, it's the contract and that's not Todd Gurley's fault because he was

productive and was paid for his production. It just didn't work out sometimes that happens. So when Washington traded for Kyle Allen, Ron Rivera said they would be they would enter the camp with Dwayne Haskins as the starter. But now that the length of the offseason programs are in question, he said Allen could have a leg up on Haskins because of his history with Rivera and offensive coordinator, Scott Turner. Kyle gives us a guy that knows the system, understands the system. And if we got into a situation where you have to play right away, you don't have a, you only have two weeks to get ready. Well, we know Kyle could be a guy that can go in and function for us if that were the case. So we, we got a little insurance there as well. So felt good about that. We've been talking

about it constantly. Guys who already have the experience and are comfortable in a certain system or with a certain coordinator or coach are just going to be in a different situation this year. Obviously, none of us know how long this is going to go on or when they're going to get back. everyone's going to be kind of in the same relative shape, even if they do have a facility to train in, because they might have a little bit up, but they're still not training with other guys, and certainly not to the intensity level that they would be normally if they were in these programs. But this makes sense. I don't have any expectations for Washington this year.

I don't think anybody does. Really, this is a year to see if Haskins can perform or not. Ron Rivera is not concerned about his job. So you go into the season, get Kyle Allen there for the first couple games, if that's the situation that they're in and get Haskins back to where he needs to be to get in and see what he can do. But it makes sense that Kyle Allen

would be the starter if this goes on that long. Yeah. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. So, you know, it's interesting. Joy was talking about the GM for the Steelers, Kevin Colbert, saying he wants three more rounds.

I think the Goodwell run teams, the lean businesses are going to survive, you know, like the airline industry. Delta's going to be fine. It's well run. There's some other airlines that are going to go belly up. They're not well-run. So in fact, if I was the president and handing out stimulus packages, I would look at the well-run companies, and I would give them they have earned stimulus.

They have earned my respect and the right to be helped in a crisis. If you're poorly run, your books are bad, you're not, you're debt-ridden, I wouldn't give you a break. You know what? It's economic Darwinism, you know? So when I look at the NFL draft and all the virtual drafting, the smart, well-run teams and the poorly run teams, they'll separate just like they always do, just like businesses do post-9-11 and during this virus.

But I'll tell you this, that there is this sense that more information is always better, where we have absolute clarity on this, that people make up a decision very quickly on relationships. There's a reason American Idol only gave you about 10 to 15 seconds. You can spot talent. Don't overthink the room. The Chicago Bears, had they just watched college tape, would have drafted Deshawn Watson over Mitch Trubisky.

Less would have been more. But they go to a pro day, and they do the interview. And then they talk about it. They're like, you know, I kind of like him. I thought his pro day, his footwork, was really good. Had they just watched college tape, they would be beating Aaron Rogers and beating Minnesota because they'd have the Sean Watson.

Cincinnati Bengals took John Ross 9th. Wide receiver, Washington. I watched every big college snap. He was hurt all the time in college, kind of a one-trick pony speed, nothing else. Had you watched your tape, Cincinnati, you wouldn't have picked him, ninth. But he ran a 4-2-40 in the Combine.

God, God, take him. He's a fastest guy in the world. And he's been a bust. More information is not necessarily better. There's a term for it. paralysis by analysis. You can spot talent really quickly. You watch Joe Burrell.

He's good. He's not John Elway. It's good. I watch Justin Herbert. That's an NFL quarterback. I watch Baker Mayfield. He's not a number one pick. He's not.

You watch Carson Wentz and Andrew Luck. Oh, yeah, yeah. Those look like number one picks. It's not real hard. I mean, I miss, but like Tim Tebow. That's not a first round franchise quarterback. It's not hard to, you can talk yourself. Denver, Josh McDaniels.

There's something about him. He is a winner. Watch the tape. Can't make throws. Can't make the 35-yard seam throw you have to make in the NFL. Can't make it. So, an NFL quarterback. This idea that I need, don't talk your stuff.

Don't talk yourself out of stuff. You're watching. We've already got 30% of whiffs in the NFL draft. We shouldn't have that many. I don't think it's because guys are dumb. that are doing the drafting, I think they talk themselves out of things. And let's be honest about the draft for Cincinnati. If Joe Burroughs really good, it doesn't matter the rest of the draft.

He'll carry everybody. If Tua stays healthy and Miami gets them, I don't care about their other 12 picks. I mean, seriously, if Justin Herbert goes to the Chargers and he hits, you really care about the other six picks? I mean, once Lamar Jackson hit, from that point, once Patrick Mahomes hit, Carson Wentz hit, then you just got to make sure you protect him. Don't be an Andrew Luck situation where he's getting that living hellbeat out of him. But I think there's a lot of paralysis by analysis on this stuff. More information.

Bill Belichick is Mr. Information in the league. He can't draft offensive players to high levels. Has not drafted a pro bowler since Gronk. That's 10 years ago. So the idea that smart and more information, you kind of know who can play. You know what you need. You know who can play. You got four years at take.

You got a combine. You got an 18-minute interview. You can FaceTime the kid. If a pro day, if a pro day, if you're on the fence until the pro day, maybe you're overthinking the room. I mean, if you need a pro day on Tua, I don't know. I watched him in the SEC, the best football conference defensively by a mile in the sport. I watched him on one leg against LSU throwing darts.

He can play. And then I interview him on FaceTime. time. And then I have, you know, then I've got the interviews and I've got, I just don't want to hear excuses. I just don't want to hear it. Mitch Trubisky, if you just watch film, you'd have Deshawn Watson. Cincinnati, if you just watched Washington Husky film, you wouldn't have drafted John Ross. You talked yourself into stuff that wasn't there. Coming up next, one of my, when I used to work in Connecticut, Michael Hawley is a broadcaster and a writer and has written a book on the New England Patriots. He's going to join us next. His reaction to Tom

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He'll be joining us around the corner. and all sorts of stuff going on today. I did see something funny. There's a, it's an offshore betting place. It's got all the Dallas Cowboy lines this morning. Dave Mason, it's got, I'm not going to give the, it's offshore, it's illegal, but they have all the Dallas Cowboy lines for next year. And they have the, if the Cowboys won the games they're favored in,

Dallas would go 10, 5, and 1. And I laugh at that because Ivo is, first of all, they're at Baltimore, at the Rams, at Seattle, at Minnesota, also play at home, San Francisco, and Pittsburgh. And frankly, they don't have as many good players as Philadelphia. But whenever it comes down to lines, I always look at one simple thing. This has always been the deal for me. How many Pro Bowl quarterbacks do you face? So Dallas faces nine quarterbacks that are either definitively. better than DAC or arguably better than DAC.

Lamar Jackson, Jared Goff, Kirk Cousins, Russell Wilson, Carson Wentz, Trice, Matt Ryan, Big Ben Garapolo. They're either better, clearly, or arguably better. And they have them going 10, 5 and 1. Philadelphia, by the way, only faces three teams where the quarterback is probably better than Carson Wentz. Russell Wilson is Aaron Rogers, Lamar Jackson. Now, they face Big Ben off surgery and Drew Brees at 40.

I don't think right now they're better than Carson Wentz. So why do I think Philadelphia is going to win the division? Because Philadelphia was a mess physically last year. I mean, they fell apart last year and still won the division. Dallas was healthy down the stretch, did not win the division. So if you just look at this is why the quarterback is so essential in this league. If you look at who the Dallas Cowboys face next year nine times. That's over half the season.

They'll face a quarterback better or. arguably better than the guy they have. And also, Mike McCarthy is new. So we would suspect, at least in January, you'd think it'll be a little inartistic. It won't be perfect for Dallas. Michael Hawley now is on the phone line for us. Michael, thanks for coming on this morning. First of all, what did you make of the Howard Stern star? Are you surprised Tom Brady went on Howard Stern? I'm not surprised he went on Howard Stern, Colin, for a couple of reasons. One, I know he listens. and two, he likes long-form interviews. I think a lot of people think that Tom Brady will just give you politically correct answers,

but I think he will, with any interviewer, if you put some thought into it, if you're trying to go somewhere, I think he'll play along at times outside of the, you know, the quick right after a game situation. So I loved it. I thought it was very insightful in football and in his life as well. surprised he said he made his mind up before the season started he was he was bolting no i'm not surprised by that you know what colin this this is really what it came down to and brady confirmed it today if you read between the lines we don't even have to read between the lines i think he pretty much said it

he wants to play he says 45 but i'm telling you really wants to play until he's 50 but he wants to play for a long time and bill bellichick wants to go year to year with him yeah would not commit to him for more than a year. And I think that got to a point where it was just untenable for Brady, and he just got frustrated. And he said, all right, that's how you're going to do it. If you don't believe that you don't believe what your eyes are telling you, if you think that suddenly I'm going to become a mediocre quarterback when I'm 43 or 44, I don't believe

that about myself. So you go in a different direction, and I will. So I think it became pretty obvious late in 2018. They win the Super Bowl, and he still doesn't get a contract. By the way, I thought it was interesting. You know, Giselle wrote him a letter, basically, and said, I'm not happy in the marriage. I initially saw that at a grocery store. I turned to the left, and I saw a National Enquirer article two years ago.

And I know everybody makes fun of those gossip rags. But I thought that was kind of interesting. You obviously, in Boston, hear things far beyond much deeper than I would do, you know, here out in the middle of L.A. But that was kind of interesting that Tom acknowledged. My wife was about ready to kick me out of the house. I thought that was incredibly open of him. I'm with you, Colin, all the way, a couple of things. One thing you said off the top,

we all make fun of these gossip magazines. We've got to keep in mind, it's a completely different news ecosystem that we're in right now. So it's not just the mainstream, so-called corporate media capable of getting stories that are compelling and authentic. Go back to Tiger Woods. Tiger Wood's story was broken by a gossip. It was a gossipy-type magazine.

So these things happened. But I had heard whispers that the marriage wasn't going well. The fact that he confirmed it is mind-blowing to me. I thought that was extremely interesting. For the record, I think he was worn out from Belichick. But have we all sort of overstated the angsteaded? I mean, they went 10, 11 years in the middle of these two dynasties, and they didn't win anything.

And I think we sometimes, and I'm guilty of this, too, we live in the moment. For most of this 20 years, it was pretty damn good, right? Right. Yeah, I don't think we've overstated to angst though. So that's real. It is real. And I wrote about it. I'm going to give you a little preview, so you don't have to read it.

I'm going to give you just like a quick summary of something I wrote that's going to come out tomorrow. The irony of these guys is that they want the same things, but they really, but Belichick doesn't trust that Brady is capable of doing the thing that he wants to do, the unprecedented thing. Meanwhile, Belichick is doing it. Let me explain. Belichick is going to be 68 next month. 68, I mean, next week, he has coached consecutively in the NFL for 46 years. Nobody has done that before.

Don Shula didn't do it. Vince Lombardi didn't do it. Tom Landry. George Hallis co-founded the league. and owned his team, the Bears. He didn't do it. 46 straight years. So you could look at Belichick and say, well, wait a minute.

Buddy, nobody's done what you're trying to do at a high level either. I mean, Tom Landry was done at 64. Don Shula was quietly forced out at 65. And so these guys, they're both doing things that haven't been done before. and I think the tension came when Brady said, oh, yeah, I get it. I'm doing the same thing that you're doing. And Bella said, well, it's not quite the same. And you're on the field.

You're playing. Whereas I'm a coach executive. So I have a different standard. Yeah, I think that really costs some problems. Minute left. Jared Stidham. Can he play? I don't know.

I'm skeptical. Colin, I initially say no until you prove it to me. So right now I'm looking at them as having a really bad. quarterbacking situation until I see something different. But right now, I don't think they win the AFC East. I go with Buffalo or even Miami as the best teams in the division right now. By the way, Michael Hawley has got an article in a video essay, End of an Era on NBCSports.com.

Looking back at Brady's 20-year career in New England, very sharp guy. Also, latest book, War Room, the legacy of Bill and the art of building the perfect team. Michael, it's great talking to you again. always great talking to you Colin anytime man you bet Michael holly smart dude in Boston yeah it's talking about Giselle and his relationship I mean you have to give Howard something he talked about his testicles he talked about the relationship with Giselle and then he made a decision up before the NFL season started you know I again not analogous to Brady but I've I bounced around the country three and four

five times you don't make the decision the door gets opened a year before you leave in every situation. And then you think about it a lot and you think about it a lot. But there has to be a moment. Something happens and it makes you rethink. I never forget in Portland, Oregon. I had a great job in Portland, Oregon. And I had my boss was named Jack.

I had a radio boss, a TV boss. No such thing is a podcast back then. And I remember a conversation we had one time about six months out. And Jack said, you make way too much for the market. He said at some point, I'm just going to turn on the network. They're free. and it was just an offhanded comment six months earlier. And I drove home that day and I told my wife at the time,

well, I want to be on that side. I don't want a boss ever to go to me and say, well, I'm just going to turn on the network. You're local. And I thought, well, then I have to get to the network. Because the network guy can't say, well, I'm just going to shut on the, oh, wait, we are top of the food chain. And I just remember that.

And it was said, by the way, I think over a glass of wine. It wasn't even a, he said, yeah, yeah, at some point, I'm just going to have to turn on the network. laughed and had some, you know, some more wine and chips and, but that line stuck with me. And I think the minute Tom read that ESPN article 2018 and the coach for the Patriots, one of them said, you know, we think we could have done this with several quarterbacks. That opened the door to flirting. That was it.

That's the line. It never goes away. Chris Long, son of howie. Next. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeard radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand when. you'd like. Oh, here we go. Hour number three. We have been absolutely jammed today. This live in Los

Angeles, Cloudy L.A. is the hurt. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, it's IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. All our platforms, and Joy Taylor is joining me. Chris Long, a two-time Super Bowl champ, former Patriot, Ram, Eagle, Defensive, and great player. Of course, his dad is Howie Long, who's been a rock star in Fox Sports Forever. Chris Long will be joining us here in about 15 minutes. Joy, how are you? Doing great. Happy to be back on with you, Colin.

It's nice. You can see Joy now. You've heard her voice for a couple of weeks, and we're tinkering. I'm watching all sorts of different people today. You know, they're at their homes broadcasting. I have a microphone and a setup in my house. I haven't used it yet. I could.

I do prefer having people here and being live with people. prepping and trying out some of the stuff. That's how I like to do it. But there are people that like Rush Limbaugh does his from his home. So everybody's different. And we're all just kind of getting by and we're trying to figure it out. Very encouraging numbers now. Hospitalization rates going down in Europe and most American cities right now.

We don't have the surge in the hospitals that's overwhelmingly. Jersey's only got two hospitals of the 70 they've got that are like packed as of right now. That's what I'm reading online from people I trust. So there's good news. Social distancing still in effect for the next couple of weeks. I think that's vital. It does look like the University of Washington model. The peak is in three days, not 10.

That's good news. We're looking for peaks. We're looking for hospitalization rates going down so we can at least create a little more normalcy in our lives. But it's going to be a trickle. It's not going to be a flood back into our normal lives. Our economy is not going to be a V shape. It's going to be a slow pushback. It's going to take months and months.

Two things. Let's talk about this before I get to Howard Stern and Tom Brady. Number one, the NBA yesterday, Adam Silver, said he is eyeing Labor Day. That's the first weekend of football in America. College football already starts on Labor Day weekend. NFL starts the following Thursday. And then, you know, then where football season in earnest begins once the NFL already begins. So June 10th, so if Labor Day is the end day, and we know the playoffs last eight weeks, that means you have to start the playoffs by July 1st.

okay so what that do you need i think it's reasonable to think you need three weeks before that for training camp and maybe a couple of exhibition games because as i've said before there's nobody really we already knew who the playoff teams are Portland could get really really hot and win five straight games if you had the regular season and get in uh but the eighth place team would have to lose three or four of those five we know who the playoff teams are i'm not going to lose a lot of sleep if Washington doesn't get in or Portland doesn't get in. Love Portland, but they have, they've been wildly inconsistent, not very good defensively in the back court.

We know who they are. We love Damian Lillard. So I think they should just start with the playoffs and go. And as I've said before, the Miami Heat and LeBron James first title was a strike shortened year. Nobody cares. If the end of a movie is great, people forget about the choppy middle. LeBron's first title with Deweighed and Bosch was a strike shortened season.

and you never bring it up and we never hold it against LeBron. Why? Because it was awesome. It was an awesome championship. So if there's a good championship playoff round, LeBron faces the Clippers, Milwaukee, and Boston, nobody's going to care that you only paid like 68 games, 65 games, nobody's going to care. Nobody's going to care.

If the NFL only played 14, not 16, and he had great playoffs and a great December, nobody 25 years at a bar having a Mick Light cares. So what you basically have to do in the NBA, July 1st, you have to start the season. I think it takes three weeks of training camp and some at least inter-squad games to get ready. So players are fairly finely tuned, 20 days of practice. So can that happen? Well, do I think we're going to see significantly lower numbers of this virus? Will we have flatten the curve, I believe, in nine weeks from 20?

today when you'd have to start practice, yes. Will we have machines capable of testing people within five minutes? It looks like, according to Dr. Fauci, we're getting close on that, yes. Will it be seamless? No. Will it be perfect? No, it's managing a crisis. I've said before, now that we have not had the hospital surges outside of New York

City that are predicted, it's now just managing this crisis. Once you flatten the curve, it's managing it. You don't have the hospital issue. So we have 47,000 suicides in America today. You manage it. You don't solve it. Okay, the reason our teen, you know, our death rate in America, if you look at the average American lives to be 79 in Japan,

I think it's 81.5. People say it's diet. Some of it is. Teenagers are on the road driving in this country. We let them. And there's a lot of accidents. And it's sad. We manage it.

We never solve it. So once the hospital surge issue is sort of not the primary issue, it's just saving lives, you manage it. You're not going to solve it. If the NBA came back and had a player and two coaches with COVID-19, you just manage it. You don't end it. So I think in my entire life, you can't solve every problem. You get rid of the scariest part of the problem.

And from that point forward, it is a medical management situation. Because we have to now have really adult conversations, and I know they're uncomfortable about pivoting back to an economy that I think is going to hurt the poorest Americans. It's going to hurt the poorest Americans. We can't have that. They're already at a massive disadvantage. We can't end their hope. So now we have to have real conversations.

in America about restarting the American economy. It'll be a trickle, not a V-shape. But this is just another thing we have to manage. Once the hospital surge, we can get past that stage, and we could be four to five to six days past it. We're getting close in most cities. Then we manage. So I think the NBA has got a shot.

I'm not going to make any predictions. I think we should just get through April and early May. I think we should just not make predictions for a month. You know, come back to me like May 8th, May 10th, and we can start making predictions. Now, let's just wait. All right, so Tom Brady was on Howard Stern this morning. It was interesting. I think the big bomb on it was the obvious one was Tom made up his mind before most of us thought he did when he was going to leave New England.

I don't think there was a final, final decision, you know, until it happened. But I would say I probably knew before the start. start of last season, that it was my last year. I knew that, you know, it was just our time was, you know, our time was coming to an end. It's okay. It was a great relationship. Tom put his house up for sale. Alex Guerrero, his trainer put his house up for sale. A handful of reporters I trust. Jeff Darlington does a great job. He was out there saying, this is serious. And there were signs, and it was a great relationship. But it ended, but Tom sort of knew going into it. I'm moving.

And I would say this for most Americans who change jobs. You just don't wake up in the morning and go, I'm leaving. It's just like a relationship. You don't wake up in the morning and say, yeah, he treats me like garbage. I am out. They say you have an emotional affair before you have a physical affair. You think about stuff. You drive.

I think about stuff all the time in the car. I leave my show. I drive home. And I try to flush some things out so I don't burden my wife with things. If I have something that I'm thinking about and it's kind of an issue, I like to turn the radio off and talk to myself and think about it and get through it. People generally don't make massive decisions in an instant. Tom thought about this, gave it great thought for several years.

And then over the course of the season, he made his mind up. I also thought was really vulnerable of Tom Brady. And I think it's really cool that he opened up with Howard. And you know, Howard's going to ask some personal stuff. You know, what kind of underwear does you wear? I mean, that's Howard, okay? So, but I thought it was a very adult interview and very classy and Tom was smart. But he was, he did talk about his marriage to Giselle and that at some point, she, she,

there was a little come to Jesus meeting. Giselle wasn't happy in the marriage. She didn't feel like I was doing my part for the family, you know, and she felt like I would play football all season and she would take care of the house. And then all of a sudden when the season would end it, I'd be like, great, let me get into all my other business activity. I had to like check myself because she's like I have goals and dreams too. It's just not to, you know, do these things either.

So you better start, you know, taking care of things at the house. She actually wrote me a letter. And it was a very thought out letter that, you know, she wrote it to me and I still have it. And, you know, I keep it in a drawer and I read it, you know, and it's a very heartfelt letter for her to say this is where I'm at in our marriage. I think that's cool to talk about, and it's incredibly relatable to know that Tom Brady, his wife writes him letters too and is not always happy. He also talked about the first time he ever was introduced to Giselle. We met at this wine bar called Turks and Frogs in the West Village.

I was sitting in and she walked in, and then when she sat down, I mean, obviously, I thought she was the most beautiful thing I had ever seen in my life. and then as we got to know each other, within a few months we thought, like, all right, like, this is going to be pretty serious. And it was a, you know, it was an interesting time because we found out after that that my ex-girlfriend was pregnant with my oldest son. We were forced into this very important thing that was happening in our life at a new part of our relationship. I found out a lot about Giselle through this experience. And she found out a lot about me dealing with, you know, a situation that was, I would say, a very, you know, not, I would say a very easy one. I loved it. I thought it was the new Tom.

You got to learn more about Tom. It was a two-hour interview. I'm sure a lot of people that'll put that on their podcast today. I'm sure that'll do great numbers. But I got a little refreshing, a new Tom, an open Tom, talked about his personal life. I mean, New England's system and culture. The DNA of the Patriots has suppressed information, everything, suppress comments. And, you know, Tom wants to, you know, the new Tom is, I'm going to have opinions, I'm going to do interviews,

I want to grow my business, I want to win football games. And I've said this, the three times I've left in my life, the one thing I'll say, every time I left a company, the three or four times I've done it, you try to solve the biggest issue at your previous place. and the two things Tom keeps showing me and talking about. He wanted better weapons to throw to, and he wanted to have a little more fun. And fun is doing Howard Stern interviews. Bruce Ariens is fun.

Bruce Ariens is fun. And the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have weapons. And those were the two things that Tom, I think, was seeking coming out of New England. And I think he's going to have both of those answered. Now there'll be some inefficiencies maybe going to a losing franchise from a winning culture. But I liked it.

I don't often tell you to go listen to somebody else's podcast, but go listen to it. Have your own opinions on the Brady Howard stuff. We liked it. Chris Long, two-dimes in Bowl champ, right around the corner. Get your free credit scorecard today, even if you're not a Discover customer. It includes your FICA credit score and your ratings.

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Long career with the Rams. Patriots Eagles, 2, 11 NFL seasons. And he was one of six father-son combos, each to win a Super Bowl. Chris Long and Howie Long, love his dad. Talk to his dad. Dad sends me the nicest texts as he's sitting up there in either like Virginia or Montana watching the show. Our show, by the way, last three weeks has been from a radio studio. Yes, I need a haircut.

apologize. I'm a mess right now. I am just and I am, I look like an overweight cat. I am that nobody takes care of. I'm a disaster. Chris Long's joining us. He's never a disaster. I never, you know, I never thought much about haircuts, Chris, and it's all I can think about now. How have you been holding up for the last three or four weeks in the middle of this American crisis? Global crisis. Oh, man, I'm all right. I'm just really appreciative that there's people out there fighting this battle. for everybody else who just has to sit at home. That's the biggest test of this generation, and I am passing it with flying colors.

By the way, do you have friends in health care and people that you connect with? Yeah, I mean, like my team doctor back in St. Louis for the Rams, Dr. Voss, I talked to him a bit, and I know he's been on the COVID floor. I just actually interviewed Myron Roll on my pod last night, if you remember, Myron, at Florida State. Yes.

Yeah, he's in his third year of residency. to become a neurosurgeon and with the nature of, he's that mass general and the way things are, it's so overrun that, you know, people from different parts of the medical field have to rush to the fight and he volunteered to be on the surge floor. So people like that, I can't think of enough. And it makes sitting at home seem a lot less tough than it did when some of these social isolation guidelines came down. By the way, now, Chris, how old are you right now today? I am 35 and yeah I just did which is officially old I think so you were when was 9-11 you were 20 you were in your early 20s

uh I was actually in I was actually in high school yeah which I could have been in my early 20s if I got held back a couple more years so this is you've had the two big crises one of them you're a teenager and one of your 35 which and I'd like your perspective as a young person um the one One that's changed for me here, Chris, is 9-11. We could still go to restaurants a week later. We've been forced to deal with these horror stories in an isolated state, which I think, from an emotional standpoint, is tougher. But in your life, tell me, compare a little bit, 9-11 to now, because you're a thinking person.

Yeah. How you've dealt with each and how your view of both. Well, when I was in high school, I just didn't have the perspective that I have now as a 35-year-old man. Like it was scary. It was terrifying. It was your heart broke for New York City for the folks that got lost in that tragedy. And, you know, you thought about the first responders. I mean, we're thinking about the first responders now in a totally different sense as well.

Yeah. I mean, I know like entire precincts have coronavirus, you know, talking to some officers and firefighters. And, you know, they have to go on calls and all that stuff. And it's got to be terrifying. and the doctors as well. But I would just say, you know, this is tough because there's no timeline and we're very used to in society having a timeline. And sports make us feel normal.

You mentioned restaurants, sports. I can remember when 9-11 happened. Games got canceled for a week. It was in high school football season for me. And, you know, we had the week where we shut everything down. But the next week, we use sports as one. One of our vehicles is a society to come together and try to move forward. And you don't have that opportunity now.

I'm not saying that sports is the first and foremost thing that matters in the midst of a tragedy for, like, the morale of the country. But it helps. And it was the right thing to shut everything down. It is a small cost to pay not to be able to turn on the TV and get that normal comforting feeling, you know, sharing an experience with everybody around the country watching a favorite team. You know, being able to like mindlessly turn on a pack 12 games late at night or something. Like we don't have that luxury.

Right. I think whenever we get it back, as sports fans, we'll be very appreciative. But it's hard. You know, we are all, you know, FaceTime, Zoom, all that stuff. We're having to find new ways to support each other. And that's what makes this unique and different. You know, Chris, you're a younger guy. You're very good on social media.

You've got a podcast, Greenlight with Chris Long. Again, you're a thoughtful, smart guy. And it's interesting because I, I, you're a younger guy. said sometimes Twitter will try to trap you and marginalize you, that you can both simultaneously be empathetic for those struggling and also worry about pivoting to conversations about restarting the economy. You can have both those conversations. I worry about this, and this is why not only am I a sportscaster selfishly and want to see sports, but the poorest people in the country will suffer more. We know how the game works. The big companies won't suffer. They'll take small pay cuts,

but poor Americans will take the brunt of this. And how do you reconcile we've got death, we've got struggles, but the longer this economic, you know, there's going to be some economic Darwinism here that's going to be ugly, we do need to have uncomfortable conversations about trickling the economy back. How do you, maybe starting the NFL camps in August, and it's still not totally solved. How do you reconcile that?

Well, I mean, you know, I'm no economist by any stretch. imagination. I do know that, you know, I'm worried more about the health and, you know, the opportunity to live of, you know, my neighbors than I am the economic situation. I think there's a balance there for sure. I think, you know, poorest people, I'm consistently thinking about folks that right now don't have, you know, food in their fridges and they're worried about their, they were paycheck to paycheck before this. Isn't enough what's being done to get that? back on their feet. I think about like small business owners and a number of friends in the restaurant industry. And, you know, in town I live, there's a ton of great restaurants and

that's a big part of the economy. And like iconic restaurants just go under pretty quick. Yes. So, I mean, I think that this is an all hands-on-deck situation and whenever it starts again. And you've got to find creative ways to support the businesses that you care about, the small business owners. And there's a ton of athletes jumping in the fray to help out with the most marginalized populations in the United States. So I think that's a positive. This is we're going to find out, you know, that sports, as we already knew, but even to a, to a greater degree can be a great help to people, not just from a morale standpoint,

but these athletes can galvanize people to help out. When you see athletes beating owners to helping out, you know, workers at arenas or their communities, I think that's not necessarily a slight on the owners. You always want them to act faster. and anybody with a ton of money, but the athletes are in the forefront. So I think that's a good thing. And whenever it ends, and I think you can be optimistic about, hey, we hope we have football season. Colin, I don't know that we have football season.

And if we don't, it's totally secondary to this entire issue. But, you know, you saw the Gundy comments, the Dabo comments, and people were kind of up in arms. I don't think the issue is being optimistic. I think it's how you respect this process, because this process, doesn't care about football and you know asking for players to get back on campus or you know waxing philosophical about how it's that we got to overcome and we have to have a football season like that's not sensitive to this process which uh we're in the backseat on this thing we're not driving and we're not used to that chris long uh joining us yeah it's um and i'll say something here i can be

totally wrong because i only played high school football but i i tend to be believe that uh there's too much hitting for young kids playing football uh i don't think we need to all the OTAs. I do think there are units like the offensive line that need a certain chemistry, need more practice. But I think football is just as fascinating and fun without the escalated violence. I don't think there needs to be a lot of hitting during the season. And I think more protective gear and protecting players is paramount. Other people in football are like, listen, we got a hit. We need a month they hitting. We got to start camps. And I think, you know what, college football doesn't have four preseason games. And I watched Auburn and Oregon last year in week one,

looked pretty damn good to me. Look like good football from a bunch of 19-year-old kids. So if you did miss the OTAs and you did miss preseason, I think you're fine, maybe sloppy tackling, but where do you fall on the, oh my gosh, we have to have so much hitting before season starts? Well, you know, I'm a player. So when you usually hear noise about we need to hit per month, it's usually ironically not from players. Or it's from players who are retired and spiteful about the fact that these younger players are not having a hit as much. And my dad could certainly be included in that conversation, but he understands, you know, having a son playing throughout my career. And I went through that first CBA or the first CBA at my career about a decade ago.

And we were supposed to have the Hall of Fame game that year. So we were supposed to have five preseason games. And I was like, come on, man, give me a break. I don't need it. I need to be healthy, that sort of thing. the CBA or the lockout happens. We barely have camp. We missed that fifth preseason game.

And I didn't notice a big difference. I know there be people that tell you that execution is big. And a defensive end might not be the one to talk to because, you know, as we're going to, I'm sure, talk about, there's an unprecedented amount of quarterback movement this year. So, you know, I think it's disrupted the draft process. It's going to disrupt the timing and rhythm of different offenses and, and installations and new systems. I think you'll see the cream rises into the top as far as teams that have a lot of continuity,

both from a scheme perspective and players. It's going to be real challenging in some places. I mean, this was the toughest year for Brady to make that switch. And I don't think he could have anticipated that. Now, for a defensive end, I don't care about the hitting and the contact, but I'm sure if you're on offense and you're running, you're orchestrating something where it's a lot more, you know, necessary to have. have practice. I wonder how that's going to pan out. That's a great point. Chris Long

joining us. You played a year with Brady. Shocked he went to Tampa? You know, I'm not shocked he went to Tampa. You know, and you can't be shocked that it's unceremonious. I mean, but if you'd have told me a year ago that it'd be Tampa or two, three years ago, it'd be Tampa and it would be, you know, a relative blip on the radar screen. There's no decision. There's There's no LeBron decision. There's no big buildup. Tom plays everything close to the vest, and that's very Tom. You know, and you knew it would be kind of a covert ops thing where nobody knew the motivation.

I mean, you talked to his friends and they didn't know. I mean, I don't think Julian Edelman knew. And, you know, you liken this thing to a divorce. You know, Jules is like the kid. Jules didn't even know where Tom was going. So that tells you something. But I think, you know, it being so unceremonious. is the part that it's a reality right now,

but we saw more of Fauci that week than we did Tom Brady. And I just never would have imagined that, and that's part of the circumstance and the reality that it would have gone like that. I knew Brady would play it close to the vest whenever he hit free agency, but to be so unceremonious was a bit shocking. Tampa Bay, from a football perspective, it was his best option. Oh, God, I love their players. You know, I said this.

I covered them for two years, Chris. They really had, they've had great coaches. I mean, Tony Dungy was a great coach. Sam Weish was innovative. John Gruden can coach. Bruce Ariens can coach. They've had Hall of Fame players. They've won a Super Bowl.

They can't get the quarterback position right. They're the only franchise in league history that doesn't have an all-time great quarterback. I think Tom solves a lot of their stuff. I like their players. Chris, I like their players a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Me too.

I do. And I've said this before. I think out of the three decisions that it came down to the possible decisions with Tom, It was L.A. and the Chargers. It was, you know, New England, obviously, there to the end, presumably, on some level. And it was Tampa. And I think Tampa gave him the best opportunity to win from a football standpoint. I thought people, some people were like, I think this kind of reinforces, you know, Tom loves his brand.

Okay. The only thing he led us, you know, astray on during the whole free agency process was the Hulu commercial. And that was part of the, that's branding. That's part of the whole, like, let's see. how magnificent my brand can be. And it's amazing that he could stop the world effectively the week of the Super Bowl because of, you know, a 30-second ad. And it's like, you know, players have transitioned,

have walked off the field and they're making their own news. I think that, you know, some people thought L.A. because they were like, yeah, no, Tom's a brand as evidence with all this stuff. And he's not going to want to play in Tampa. This for Tennessee, this goes to show you that Tom is, still about winning first and foremost. It's Tampa, but this is a football fit. And I don't think if you, you know, nothing against the city of Tampa, if Tom and Giselle wanted to live somewhere in their power rankings of possible destinations for their family, I don't think Tampa's high.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they like that whole vibe down there and the Jeter house is going to work great. But I wouldn't have put it high on the list. So I think this was strictly a football move. You've got the tight end. You've got the 1,000-yard receivers. You've got a top-five defense that's going to be better because they're not going to be in a sudden change situation all the time with James throwing picks. I've been on defenses where we turn the ball over a lot. It's not fun. It's a great situation for him.

By the way, that Jeter House, I'm not a envy guy or jealousy guy. I'm not a big – I don't like huge houses because I don't like the yell for people. The bigger house you're in, the more you're yelling at your kids. And not like mean yelling, but yelling. I looked at that house and I'm like, it didn't do it for me. I know that sounds right. It looks like a ski lodge. I'm not a big house guy.

Like, yeah, I have a big house relative to what I used to never want to live in a big house when I grew up. But, you know, yeah, you'd be hard pressed to sell me on a 30,000-foot foot out. Let me just look. Institutional control has to be pretty hard with kids in it. Although Philip Rivers could have used a house like that, but not as many in Indy. Yeah. I just saw Drake's, by the way. You can go online and look at Drake's house.

It's architecturally. It's one of the most amazing structures in America that I've ever seen. But good God. I mean, the only good thing, when you're like nine years old, you'd play a mean game, a hide-and-seek. But Drake's house, folks, go online and watch it. Drake's house, I'll say this. The guy's got unbelievable taste.

It is one of the architectural gems I've ever seen somebody in the world live in. All right, Chris Long, you got a podcast. Hold on. Yeah. Green Light with Chris Long. You're also friends with Rosillo, who I really like, and we give each other crap, but he speaks highly of you too. Anything else you need?

You want to promote anything? No, no. Yeah, just my podcast, I guess. I mean, this is a time where people need content. I know it's a lot more important things going on. But, yeah, pop on in Greenlight Pub. Good talking to you, Chris. Good talking to you too, ma'am.

Smart guy. Chris Long. Smart guy, curious guy. Like Howie, how he's bright, how he's really bright. Defensive linemen, they're thinkers too. How about that? Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Cliff Kingsbury is not too worried about how the virtual setup will affect the Cardinals draft this year. He actually thinks it could have a positive influence on the draft process. Yeah, I'm sure. sure we'll still overthink it. I mean, we always tend to do that, but it may, it may streamline it a little bit where it's more of an efficient process and, um, you go with

what you see on tape. Luckily, we were able to have the combine and get to be around some of those guys from your top, top guys, but, um, it could very well kind of eliminate some of that clutter and, and, you know, have us go with our first instinct more. I like this mentality. As you know, we are all dealing with a very unique set of circumstances. This is unprecedented. but we are all in the same situation. So you can look at it one way or another, and some days are worse than others, as we know. But he does have a point.

Sometimes with these things, you have too much information and you start to lean on something that you like a little bit more that you found out, rather than going with what you should be paying attention to, which is the overwhelming amount of tapes that you have on a guy.

Like you said with Mitch Trubisky, maybe you went into his pro day and you fell in love with them, or you had this interview and he said something, he reminded you of your childhood, but now all of a sudden you're in love with him instead of paying attention to what he was doing on the field. I am not a scout, and I've never had to make a draft pick in the NFL in my life.

But I do think that sometimes you run into paralysis by analysis, and that is his overall point. Maybe you're going to go a little more instinctively in this draft because you aren't going to have the pro day and the in-person visits and the doctor physicals and everything else that you would normally have to examine and think it. The medical thing. You know, so I went online today. Joy. And Greg Gabriel is a

NFL scout guy forever. I follow him on Twitter. He knows a lot about the NFL. He's now in the XFL. He pointed out this morning on Twitter, he said the XFL had a virtual draft. No, no problem. So actually the XFL did this. Probably because they lacked the resources to do an NFL draft like everybody else and couldn't. And he said there were no hitches. So this has been done. It's just, you know, it's not. protocol as usual for the NFL, but the XFL did a virtual draft.

They had no problems with it. Well, yeah, I mean, it's obviously going to be on a larger scale. And I think the NFL guys would argue that the implications of their picks have greater ripple effects. Right, right, right. You know, even throughout the economy of the cities that they represent. But that is actually a good thing, though. So maybe the XFL can pass on a little bit of the information of how they, they ran it so efficiently to the NFL. But again, how you look at it is going to determine at least.

what your level of anxiety going into draft day will be. And these guys know overall who they want to pick, whether it's a regular draft or a virtual one. You've done your prep and work. So it's not like they're in the draft room, like, I don't know. Spin the wheel. We'll land on somebody. By the way, Joy, I don't have a screen here.

I can see you, but I can't see what we look like on TV. My boss, Chris Healy, just sent a picture of what we look like. So you look fantastic. Thank you. I would like to, again, apologize. my hair. Colin, your hair, this is, you're looking at this the wrong way. Everyone thinks that you wear a toupee or a wig or some kind of hair piece thing.

Now everybody knows that's really your hair. And there's a lot of people that would trade having your hair for their current, you know, situation. So I think it's a blessing. I'm getting really a lot of vanity here. I'm getting very vain and insecure. No, that's fair. You are on television every day and this is not your normal hairstyle.

I totally understand. I'm telling you, I think you look great, and it's a blessing that you have all that here. All right. So Emmanuel Sanders had his best season back in 2014 when he was catching passes from Peyton Manning, and he's ready to get back to that style of offense in New Orleans this year. He said, I'm excited to be there in a pass-happy offense. That means everything. These are the types of offenses where you can really showcase your talent.

He hasn't had over 1,000 yards receiving since the 2016 season. So I actually think that the same. Saints are in the best position in the NFC South. I mean, obviously, the addition to Brady is significant, and we're all looking forward to seeing what he does there. But again, you have to take into consideration everything that's going on right now. Now, Brady's obviously reached out to a lot of guys on the team. I don't know if he's talked to everyone, but he did ask for their numbers, and I do know

that he's reached out to his teammates, but being in person with them and also being able to work with them and train with them. Yeah. Like the saints are lockstep with everything, and they're bringing. bringing back a lot of their stars and obviously adding new ones. That division, again, Breeze Brady, Bridgewater, and Matt Ryan. Find me in the history of the NFL, four veteran quarterbacks, all with winning records in the same division.

I do not believe it's ever happened. For not an extended period, it is the best quarterback division in all the years I've been doing sports talk radio. Brady, Breeze, Matt Ryan, Bridgewater. Certainly a lot of offense. Your fourth best quarterback's Teddy Bridgewater. who's double digits over 500, that's your fourth best quarterback in the division.

I mean, every division's got a quarterback that a franchise doesn't want. Every one of those franchises wants and loves their quarterback. That's a challenge to the stat guys out there because we asked about that yesterday. Speaking of Matt Ryan, finally, the Falcons are the latest teams

to reveal their new uniforms for next season. Apparently this is redesigned season as well. The team said that the goal was to blend the falcons classic style with the modern progression of Atlanta. Yeah. The new look is part of a comprehensive rebrand for the first time for the team in 17 years. Wow. You have seen them.

Yeah. What do you think? Don't pop for me. A lot of rebranding my teams. But to be fair, everybody crushed the Rams new uni's or helmet and I thought it was pretty cool. I don't think it's a whiff. I like Tampa's redesign. which is basically old school, bringing back the...

Tampa's looks like the Tampa that won the Super Bowl, so I like Tampa's. It's fine. I mean, again, I think generationally, I like old school more. And so I think you would like these unities more than me, I would guess. I don't really love them. I mean, they're not dramatically different.

I feel that's kind of similar to Tampa in that they went kind of basic, but I don't know if I love the... the ATL up top and the Panthers, the Carolina Panthers have already begun the, the Twitter war with them. So they, I was trying to, I was literally thinking they look like movie uniforms, like football movie uniform because they're so basic. And they compare them to the mean machine uniforms from the Adam Sandler version of the longest yard. Yeah. It's not terribly off. It's pretty good roast by, by the Panthers. But look, well, we'll get used to them. like we always do with uniform changes.

Who knew all this rebranding was going on, by the way? You know, yeah, it's funny. When the Rams came out, somebody did say the Rams new logo looked like a movie about pro football where you weren't allowed to use the real logo, so you'd have a movie logo. Right. I was like, or it looked like a laundry detergent brand logo, the Rams.

So I thought it was okay, but, uh, yeah, Atlanta's a little blocky, a little hip. I don't know. It doesn't, doesn't do much for me. We'll get used to them. Yeah, Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News.

All right, Tom Brady, two-hour interview with Howard Stern. Coming up next, Joel, help me. Best for Last. Tom or False. I didn't get to hear the whole interview. Did he say it or did he not say it? That's coming up. The Hurd.

Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeard Radio app. By the way, the NFC South will now be the first NFL division in league history. to have three different quarterbacks with over 50,000 passing yards. Teddy Bridgewater, you've got some work to do. So Matt Ryan has that many yards? Wow. He's going to get Hall of Fame boats.

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Or are they just political answers? Here we go. Okay, Brady on his favorite receiver, quote, there's not one. It's impossible. Colin, Tom, or false? That's false. Tom does not believe that. Tom knows Randy Moss is easily the best wide receiver he's ever had.

That's a political answer. That is false. It's true. He did say that. There's not one. It's impossible. We know, though, that he doesn't really believe that. All right.

Well, that's what he said. Brady on if he is free from Belichick quotes on the same Tom Brady. Tom or false? False because he now does two-hour interviews with Howard Stern and talks about his testicles. It's true. He did say that. It's Tom. All right.

Are we playing the game that he said it or are we playing the game that I don't believe he means it? No, these are all actual quotes. Okay, they're all actual quotes. Okay. Oh, if you buys it or not. All right. All right. Brady on the Patriots upcoming season, quote,

I want them to do great. Is that Tom or false? Do you believe that he thinks that or not? Okay. False. Here's why. He's not rooting for them to be humiliated or hurt. But you're kidding yourself if Tom Brady doesn't want to flourish

and isn't kind of hoping they're not as robust without him. That's how humans and alphas and guys. who are competitive think. Doesn't make you a bad human. That's how we think. No, it just makes you a little petty, which is okay. Yeah.

All right, Brady on Legacy, quote, I never cared about Legacy. I could give a bleep about Legacy. I never once, when I was in high school, did I think, man, I can't wait for what my football legacy looks like. Tom or false. I think that's Tom. I think this is a guy that loves many,

love by many. I think Legacy matters much less to people when you're securing yourself. And I think Tom's really secure in himself. All right. Brady on his backup plan. quote, I never had a backup planned. I always envisioned this. I think that's Tom or false.

That's Tom. Again, I think Kobe Bryant decided he was going to be a basketball player. I mean, I think, you know, I have a son. He's going to be in tech. And he has dreams in tech. And those are his dreams. You know, that can be painful if you find out at 35. You're not going to be very good at your dream.

But I think to be great at something, you can't have a lot of work-life balance. You've got to go all in and you've got to work really hard. And you've got to give up some social stuff. So I totally agree with that in Tom. I think it's the separation between good and great. Yeah. So Brady on, if he resents Belichick for not making a patriot, making him a patriot for life, no, absolutely not.

Tom are false? I think that's Tom. I think Tom, remember, they wanted him back. They offered him a contract back. This was not a Joe Montana situation where they had Steve Young. This was not a Green Bay situation. New England was shocked he left. So I think Tom basically does believe, you know, it was my call.

It was Tom's call, not Belichick. Tom went to Kraft's house and told him I'm not coming. Kraft didn't go to Tom's house and tell him he's fired. So I do think there's not a lot of bitterness in that point. Brady on hydration, quote, I drink a couple hundred ounces of water per day. Tom are false? Oh, that's Tom. I think that's, he doesn't, first of all, he doesn't drink a beer during the season.

I think I just think that's who I mean he said it I totally believe How much is it a day A couple hundred ounces of water So what is that like pounds wise About 10 to 13 pounds

10 to 13 pounds of water a day That's why there's no way he drinks 13 pounds of water I think I think my daughter Is drinks water all day My daughter has one of those big Not carafts but those big thermal things I bet you she drinks.

Good for her. I can't drink. I try to drink that much water. I have this. Yeah, one of those. She drinks about eight of those a day. It's 128 ounces in a gallon. So he's talking about drinking two to three gallons of water.

Oh yeah, I think he does. You would just live in the bathroom. Yeah, there's just no way. I think he does. Three gallons of water a day? I find him. How do you have time to do anything else? Well, you're peeing all day.

I mean, I find him to be the most bizarrely committed person of all time. Any other ones? Yes, on drinking and partying. If I woke up the next morning with a hangover, I would always feel guilty. Tom or false? That's Tom. That's who he is. Again, this is, I've never,

I couldn't tell you. I had a hangover about four years ago. I don't get a lot of those. I don't go, I go two drinks, not three. All right, we got to get out of here. Coach K tomorrow. Coach Mike Shashefsky tomorrow. He's not leaving Duke.

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