The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Two Types of QBs, Andy Reid, Russell Wilson and Jimmy Johnson

Episode Date: January 30, 2020

Colin talks about Jimmy Garoppolo taking a longer time to develop which has been successful a model for QBs in the past. He talks about how great Andy Reid is despite not winning a Super Bowl and how thin the line is between "Legend" and a "Good" coach. Super Bowl Champion Russell Wilson talks with Colin about his ability to make every player around him successful. Plus, 2x Super Bowl Champion and FOX NFL Analyst Jimmy Johnson talks about being named to the Hall of Fame and what it was really like coaching the Hurricanes in the 80's. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Joy Taylor is joining me. It is Thursday. The week is flying by. bumped into a couple of minutes ago. Christian McCaffrey, who is one of the really cool guys in the NFL. He was walking by the set. Stars are starting to file into the town. Joy, how are you?

I'm great. It feels like the Super Bowl is here now. Like the sun is out, starting to get crazy. There's stuff, all kinds of stuff going on behind us. The crazies are coming down to South Beach. So let's start the show with this. So we have two types of quarterbacks in the NFL, the young, successful quarterbacks. There are two types. Now, there's a lot of types of quarterbacks in terms of

height and arm and size and athleticism, but there are two types of young successful quarterbacks in the NFL. There are the turtles. Okay, the turtles are Tom Brady. They're Aaron Rogers. They're Jimmy Garoppolo. They're Kurt Warner. They're Steve Young. Maybe they have an early injury. They have to sit behind a star. Their career takes a little watch. to unfold. Those are the turtles of what Jimmy Garoppolo is certainly in that class. He sat behind Brady. He got injured, went to San Francisco, got dinged up. He's a turtle. Then there's also the other type of young successful quarterbacks, the hares. These are sensational, early success. Oh my God. Look at him. Ron. Lamar, Patrick Mahomes, Carson Wentz, Dan Marino.

DAC had some of this. Cam had some of this. The hairs. They're sensational either very soon or immediately. They jump through the TV set. They get the right coach early. They get the right scheme early. Two types of quarterbacks.

Now you would think, oh, man, I want to be the hair. I'm not into the slow growth method of quarterbacks. But let me tell you the advantage to it. The advantage to being Jimmy Garoppolo, and it's why I like the Niners in this game. is because slow growth works in the NFL because you do not have the pressure. So with Patrick Mahomes, you have to pay them more early. You often have to pay them sooner. The owner and the GM of unrealistic expectations, which puts unbelievable pressure on a coach.

Think about this. If Kyle Shanahan loses with Jimmy G. Sunday, it changes no narrative. This is the slow build. you were supposed to lose. This offense is not built around Jimmy Garoppolo. But if Andy Reed, perhaps the best offensive coach in my lifetime, outside of Bill Walsh loses with Patrick Mahomes, I mean, you know, maybe we should wait one more year on Mahomes.

We've got to pay him now. There's a lot of pressure. Is Andy Reid the right guy? Maybe we don't have the right guy. There are two models that work for young, successful franchise quarterbacks. There is the slow growth model, Jimmy Garvey. Apollos. Little choppy early. Don't get into the right place for you. Have to be moved. Aaron Rogers had to sit for a while. Didn't have a great first year as a starter. Kurt Warner, Steve Young.

Brady had to, you know, sit. And then he was led by the defense and Bill Belichick. And then there's the comets and the sensation and the hairs in Patrick Mahomes. Both can work. But the good thing is, The slow growth model doesn't get unrealistic owners going crazy town upstairs. The GM doesn't feel the pressure to get and overpay for pieces for the superstar quarterback now because we got to win because the owner knows how good Mahomes is and we got to win it. If we don't win, we're going to get fired. Just think about this. Sunday, if the chiefs lose as ridiculous as this sounds, people will be saying,

oh, is Andy Reed the right fit for Patrick Mahomes? The slow growth model, Garoppolo, if he loses, well, I mean, we're in this thing. for the long term. I mean, we, Garoppolo's a baby. So Troy Aikman, like me, I'm all in on Garapolo. I don't think he has the natural talent of Patrick Mahomes, or a Russell Wilson or a Carson Wentz, but I'm all in on Garoppolo. I'm all in on the slow growth method. I'm all in on the Niners Sunday. And one of the reasons was because Shanahan and Belichick both fell in love with Jimmy G. and Troy Aikman talked about that. If something were to happen to Tom Brady, he said that he felt that they could win with Jimmy Garoppolo.

And when Bill Belichick says win, that doesn't mean go win week three. You know, I mean, that wins means win at all. So I thought it spoke volumes to the respect that he had for him. Let me shift to this. So one of the big stories when the season ended in the NFL was Mike McCarthy, the former Green Bay Packer, Brett Far of Aaron Rogers coach. you got fired a year ago and kind of sat on the beach

or in his basement and watched a bunch of football and then the Dallas Cowboys hired him and that was a big story. There's never been a coach in the history of the NFL that coached the Packers and then later coached the Cowboys. It's a big deal to coach one.

This guy's coached both. And we know that I've been critical of Aaron Rogers because I call him a bailer. He bails on coaches. He bales on plays on plays on teammates. He's bailed on some family sometimes. He's a bailer. And those are cynical

people. Years ago, I was talking to probably the wealthiest person I've ever talked to. And it was just one of those happenstance things. We were in the same spot for a while. And I was just asking a bunch of questions. And one of the, and I'm not talking making good money. I'm talking about, you know, net worth and the billions. And he said, you've got to be optimistic. Cynical people don't become billionaires. You've got to be optimistic because real wealth, there are so many roadblocks, so many hurdles, so many failures to get there. And if you're a cynical person and a pessimistic person, you'll just quit. You'll just bail. You'll be like, this isn't going to work. It's too hard. He goes, you have to be optimistic. You have to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

You have to believe your vision will work. It's very hard to be wealthy and cynical. And I like Dak Prescott because Dak Prescott is not cynical. Dak Prescott is optimistic. Dak Prescott is not a finger pointer. Dak Prescott asks, how do I make it better? You've never heard him once. And they've had a lot of chaos at Dallas in the last few years with that Prescott.

Never points a finger. Ever, not interested. Because he's optimistic. He'll persevere. And so he was asked about getting information on Mike McCarthy from Aaron Rogers, who I view is cynical. and Dax said, I don't want to talk to Aaron Rogers. Are you the type of guy that will, like, call Aaron Rogers just to be like,

let me get a feel for my coach? No, I didn't think you would be. No, not at all. I don't care to get a feel from somebody else off of their judgment or their relationships. I know relationships are completely individual, and I don't even want to warp my mind off of what somebody else thinks. another example of DAC using really good judgment i don't love dack's athletic ability i don't love his arm but i've said he shows me great judgment and great leadership this is not a shot at erin rogers but erin's cynical erin can be a bailer dac isn't russlewilson isn't it is hard

to have ultimate success long term if you're pessimistic the media is overly cynical. That's why there are very few wealthy media people. Dax optimism is the right call here. I don't want to hear about bad experiences. Clean slate. I want McCarthy to walk in. I want to make my own judgments on him. I don't want to hear about your relationship because you and I are different. Another reason, I may question Dax's talent, but I love him, love him, the leadership qualities and the intangibles as a franchise quarterback. All right. Coming out of next, a pro football focus, you will not believe who they say is the best coach in the NFL

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Great talking to him. John Lynch talked to the GM of the 49ers. I've known John forever and ever and ever covered him in Tampa. He's a riot. Super smart guy. These guys are so open and fun. There was no pressure. Saw Troy Aikman last night and Howie and Terry and Jimmy.

Jimmy's on later today. But it was so good to see Sean Peyton. He's so happy. I think he just got engaged, right? Sean Payton just get engaged or married? I don't. I'm not sure. He was in a very good mood. He's very, very, see, Goulet, you bring women into your life, and it's just so much better. Everybody's happy. Yeah, women do make literally everything better.

They really do. I mean, I've been saying that ever since I met my wife. All right. So, PFF judges every player and every coach. I think they judge every coordinator. And I don't rely exclusively on it. I watch the games. But I do think PFF does a really good job, breaking down the minutia of football, simple about. simplifying it for us, you, me, the consumer. So you know I love Andy Reid. So it was a great pleasure this morning to read that Andy Reed was actually taking every play into account this year, voted, judged the best coach in the NFL. Now, I saw Sean Payton last night, and Sean is a legend.

Sean walks around with that Super Bowl ring. There's a certain gravitas to Sean Peyton. Good looking guy walks into a room. It's like, ooh, there's Sean Peyton. But the difference between being a legend, Sean Payton, and just being a good coach, was an on-side kick here in Miami that took three minutes to unpile people and a guy on his team had it. They scored turn momentum and won. Now, it's perhaps not as simple as that, but the line between good and a legend is really thin in this league. Pete Carroll was fired twice, seven and nine, seven and nine.

in Seattle and had Matt Flynn going into camp. It was all over, fired for a third time. They passed on Russell Wilson twice, not a third time, and now Pete is a legend. Happens in the NBA, too. Doc Rivers was fired in Orlando. It's like 25 and 48 in Boston. And then he got KG and Ray Allen. Doc's now a Hall of Fame coach, and he's a legend. In the NBA, you got to land two stars. The right two stars. And in the NFL, you've got to get a quarterback. Bill Belichick was fired in Cleveland because he couldn't and was 3 and 11 and New England before Bledso was hurt

and a young, driven, willful, aspirational Tom Brady walked off the bench. Know this about Andy Reed. Andy Reid has the second best record in NFL history to Vince Lombardi off a buy. Vince Lombardi, 82% winner. He is also one of seven coaches to make the Super Bowl with two different teams. And he has never had an A quarterback. He finally does. The line between good and a legend, Pete Carroll, Sean Peyton,

who's your quarterback? Bill Belichick had a losing record in Cleveland and a losing record in New England. if you want to take sides, who wins it, the coach or the quarterback, take either. But just have perspective. This is the first time for the next 10 years, Andy Reid, it'll be a fair fight for the smartest offensive coach, probably in the NFL since Bill Walsh. Here's Joy Taylor with the news. This is the herd line news.

So Chiefs owner Clark Hunt this week said that they plan to keep Patrick Mahomes with organization for a long time, obviously. And Mahomes said he would be more than happy to see that happen. The people are what really drew me to Kansas City and what I hope I get to play there the rest of my career now. I mean, just the people and how they accept you, how they care about you more as a person than they do as a player, and how much passion that they have for the Kansas City Chiefs is special. And it's somewhere where I want to be for the rest of my career. You know, you were talking about Mahomes being the face of the league. We're moving sort of out of that era of obviously the Mannings and, you know, Brady

we're expecting to retire probably after next year. We need new people. Yes. And, you know, you have Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson, I think, are kind of seamlessly stepping into that space. Also, wow, revolutionizing the position a bit. So we're literally moving into a new era of the quarterback position. And we've talked about it all year.

how now more than ever the best athletes are playing the quarterback position. More fun to watch. It's also great that it's happening with those organizations too. Not that every NFL team doesn't have a consistent fan base, but there are certain fan bases that you know what you're getting with them. Baltimore.

Baltimore and the Kansas City Chiefs, Kansas City fans here in South Beach, all over the world are the most diehard fans. Listen, we know sports like boxing and the NBA are very driven. their ratings and revenue are driven, golf two with Tiger. Who's your star? We've never thought of football in those terms. We think of football as we just love football.

But don't kid yourself. I remember this years and years ago, like when Aikman and Steve Young in Montana, a lot of guys had retired, and it was like, there were good quarterbacks, like Donovan McNabb, they were good. But the numbers went down for a couple years is that it does matter who the face of your league is,

even for, you know, we think the NFL's bulletproof, it is such a gift to get Patrick Mahomes. And for the record, not a coastal guy right in the middle, the heartland of the country, just like Brett Farve was, just like Peyton Manning. He's not out west. He's not out east. He's right in the middle of the country. And a star, too, just not traditional football, flashy, the style of football that you

wouldn't expect for that part of the country as well. So we're really lucky. And Kansas City fans are going to definitely. definitely show out this Sunday. So the 49ers are clearly getting tired of hearing all the criticism Jimmy Carot below. They're over it. Emmanuel Sanders is making it known that his team has complete confidence in their quarterback. You know, I can't say it enough.

Jimmy's, Jimmy in this question is, I've probably been hearing this for like seven weeks. And I keep saying the same thing over and over. Just leave the guy alone, man. He's in a Super Bowl. It's really his first year starting. Jimmy's a baller. You go out, you know, the clutch moments. where we needed him to come through.

He just came through every single time. Jimmy's not in the offense where he has to be the guy, you know. But if he was in the offense where he had to be the guy, I think he can be the guy. He said leave him alone. They are very tired of hearing about this with Jimmy Garapolo. Should be noted, I asked John Lynch last night. I saw him and I said, I got to tell you, it took some guts to give up picks for Emmanuel Sanders.

I said, that was a home run, the first game. And he said, listen, we love our receivers. We're young. Kittles Young, Debo, a pettis, a herd. He's like, we love our receivers, but you get into the later part of the year, a veteran presence. Changes everything. And Emmanuel Sanders was a risk.

They gave up picks, but he's been great for that. They've made a bunch of great personnel moves. But I'm really interested to see how Jimmy performs in this game, because it's almost getting to the point where it's a little bit of reverse psychology, because they are getting asked so much about this, that they're almost like over defending Jimmy. Like, no one's saying Jimmy's a bad quarterback, but I mean, he threw 27 passes in the season altogether, one touchdown, one interception.

His numbers have not been astonishing, but he hasn't needed to be. So it's not really an indictment of Jimmy G. That's just not what they needed to do to win the game. And at this point in the season, just win the game. Well, and also, everybody compared to Mahomes. You know, he's everybody compared to Mahomes is not, doesn't look great. You know, it's like standing next to somebody. Like, I would never stand next to, you know,

a supermodel. So if I was in a hallway and I saw a supermodel, I would take an exit. Because if I was standing next to him, you'd be, boy, Colin is really ugly. Well, you're not really ugly. No, but if I was next to a supermodel. So if you're a quarterback and you're standing next to Mahomes like Jimmy G is this week, everybody looks bad. Mahomes threw for 615 yards through 70 passes and eight touchdowns and ran for 106 yards in the postseason. So yeah, exactly. Like when you're comparing the two, it just is not comparable.

But they're not the same kind of quarterback either. So I just, I'm really interested to see how this game goes and how he plays because of how they keep talking about it. Finally, the Browns part of ways with assistant GM, Elliot Wolf this week. And his father, former Packers GM and Hall of Famer Ron Wolf came out to criticize the way Cleveland is being run right now. He said the Browns and other teams who embrace an analytics driven model are out of control. When something goes wrong, no one takes responsibility and said they just blame the data. He's right, by the way. You know, it's funny about that.

Like, I think analytics are important, but I think stylistically, they've hurt the NBA and hurt baseball. Football's got analytics. But in the end, if you have Patrick Mahomes, it blows through a lot of data. But how does that change for the Browns? And they just go into completely analytics,

like, completely analytical. They're going to have a guy on the headphones doing analytics during the game. Their problem's the owner, because they had analytics people in the building still do. But analytics told them to hire Sean McDermen, and the owner's like, no, I'm going to go with Freddie Kitchen. So the analytic people told them to hire the Buffalo coach.

And the problem's the owner. Right. It's not going to be like halfway with everything. Yeah. I don't know how it changes, though. Good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. I love people who overcome and Jalen Smith's story could have been tragic. He wouldn't have it. He was hurt. His last college game. ACL MCL tears. Career could have been over.

It could have been an awful story. He wouldn't have it. And we bring on the Cowboys star linebacker, the pro bowler, Jalen Smith to the herd today from Notre Dame. Great to have you on the show. Mercedes, the best or nothing. First of all, before we get to your NFL career, I want to go back because I love your story.

So I follow recruiting. You were a great recruit, and you go and you go to Notre Dame, and you're a great player, and then you get hurt. And I want you to take me back. You're in that locker room, and you know it's serious. Was your heartbroken? Man, the first response was like, why? Why now?

You know, coming out, you know, going to be a top five pick in the draft. Absolutely. And, you know, for it, I've never been, I've never had a serious injury in my entire life. So for it to happen in that moment, the initial response was just like, like seriously? Like what? Like now? But from there, it was just I had to persevere. I was going to say, you know, Jalen, you have to be optimistic because rehab stinks. It's hard. It's long.

And was there ever a moment in your rehab process when you're like, I don't know if I'm the same football player? You know, I couldn't afford to think that way. There were so many people doubted me. I couldn't lift my foot for a year and two months. Oh, my gosh. You know, having, you know, severe nerve damage. you know, having drop foot. So for me, it was, it was all in. You know, it's going to come back, having a clear eye view, a focus vision,

determine relief and earned dreams, just really diving into the recovery process. And I embraced it. And I'm here today. Yeah, by the way, I can imagine the people that you were with during that journey, the rehab people, the trainers. I mean, those people, it's, your attitude is what gets you through it. Because I've talked to a lot of pro athletes. Her brother was a Hall of Famer, Jason Taylor.

you get hurt in this league, and if you're cynical or negative, it's just impossible because it's so awful to come. So then you go to the Cowboys, and you start playing, and you're back, and we're all holding our breath, and you're really good. And then there's an amazing time. Jerry Jones decides, and you're not supposed to pay players early in this league. I'm going to pay you early. Now, we just saw the press conference.

Can you take my audience back to the moment you either talk to Jerry or Stephen, before I saw it. Yeah. And they said, you know what? We're going to pay you early. We're going to take care of you. Take me to that phone call to that moment. Honestly, you know, they took a gamble on me.

They took a gamble on me. I pretty much redshirted my rookie year. Yeah. You know, Dak, myself, Zeke, we all came in together. 13 and 3 season. But I'm on the sideline, you know, hopeless. You know, I know that I can contribute, but I couldn't at that moment. You know, so getting back into it and, you know, becoming the elite player that I once was, you know, Jerry and Stephen, these guys, they got the return of their investment.

So, you know, them recognizing that I lost out on, you know, $13 to $15 million coming out because I dropped in the second round. You know, they wanted to take care of me. And that was pretty much the game plan from the beginning. But just a blessing for them to pay me two years early. and I'm going to be a cowboy for life. So then you're a cowboy, and they draft this kid from Idaho who plays eight-man football, Van deresh.

And I remember watching his high school tape and thinking, there's not enough people on the field. It's eight-man football. When did you know, because you're obviously the best linebacking do in the league, when did you first know watching Van deresh? Because a lot of people are like, he went Boise State, eight-man football.

Was there a moment in practice when you're like, okay, this is a moment? This is real. This dude can play. Well, you like, he went, no disrespect to Boise State, but they don't really play anybody. You know what I'm saying? I know what you're saying. So, you know, I'm a fan of the game and of especially great linebackers. So I watched this film coming out of college and things of that nature prior to us even drafting him.

And I've seen that he was elite. You know, he's a tackling machine, his radius, he's long, he's big. But it was it was sometime probably the third or fourth week maybe in training camp his rookie year before he had a minor injury. Yeah. I'm like, okay, he's got it. I see why we drafted him in the first round. He's really rangy.

By the way, Jalen Smith joining us to Cowboys, you are really built for today's NFL. So, I mean, when you walk onto this stage, you could be a receiver. I mean, you are lean. You're a great. athlete, you can cover space. You are a sideline to sideline guy. So it used to be, I'm a little older, linebackers were 260. 260.

They blew people up. Big necks. That's right. When you started football, did anybody use you at running back or tight end or receiver before you went to linebacker? Yeah, I played running back. I played running back. So my older brother, Rod Smith, you played three years together with the Cowboys.

Yeah. With Las Vegas Raiders now. But I grew up playing running back. running back in defensive end, rushing the passer is something I've always been elite at. But running back was, I was legit. I was five-star. I could have went anywhere in the country played running back as well. But I'd rather initiate the contact and hit people.

By the way, it is interesting. You went to a massive college brand, Notre Dame, to a, there is no bigger brand in American sports than the Dallas Cowboys. Do you feel pressure with that? or are you like, I mean, by the way, it's going to help you in advertisement. That's why we have you on the show. Nothing against the Jaguars, but, you know, you play for the Cowboys. What is it like to play for these? That's the only thing you've ever done.

You've played for these huge brands. Do you feel it's a little different than for other players in the league? I mean, it's definitely different. To whom much is given, much is required, you know? But for me, having these two prestigious brands, you know, being able to represent them the right way is just, It's an honor. It's an honor. It really improves my brand equity, but I'm just, it's a blessing to be able to be a part of these brands for sure. So, Dack, Joy and I have said about Dax, sometimes

he doesn't throw the prettiest ball, but there is a leadership quality to DAC that jumps through the podium and it jumps through the microphone. If I said to you, you play with a lot of quarterbacks, high school, college, what kind of leader is DAC? Like, what kind of leader? DAC is a guy that he's going to give it his awe. He's going to get it by any means necessary. And we ride with that. Dak, he's a guy that loves us. He's a guy that's around.

And sooner or later, Jerry's going to pay him. He has to. He's our guy. Yeah. I mean, is he verbal? I mean, would he go out with you? Is he that kind of late? He does.

Yes, yes, absolutely. So he's one of the guys? Yeah. He's one of the guys. He's in the locker room. You know, after we get off work at 4.30, where, you know, we're shooting hoops in the locker room and the Ben, shooting tennis balls. And, you know, just having competition. I mean, he's a guy that's around.

I remember my rookie year. We went to Benny Hanna. And he paid me $300 to eat wasabi, just raw. Poor call. Bore call. How did that go for you? Oh, I dominated it. Okay.

No, you know, there's just certain people that I think are relatable and likable, and I think DAC has that quality. So at the end of this year, it was a pretty rough go for the Dallas Cowboys, and there was just a lot of talk. It was Jason Garrett talk, and he's going to, you know, and there was, it a little distracting, hearing about Jason Garrett has to win or he's out? Did that affect you in the last month?

I don't think it affected us. It was just a matter of, you know, we all, knew what needed to take place. We all knew we all knew that we needed to win. We all wanted to win. We're competitors. You know, the type of talent that was on our team and the type of drive that we all have,

you know, we desired to win as much as Jason. And we learned a lot from him. So just wishing to best for sure. What was your favorite Jason Garrett quality? Consistency. You know, regardless of positive, negative. I mean, he was the same guy. He would give you the same energy.

And he was real. He always stayed true to himself. So that's really what I love to bottom the most. You know, now I get to kick his ass. He's with me the Giants now. That is so crazy. He's a New York Giant. Isn't it crazy?

Yeah. He's going to be on the other sideline with your rival. It's so, it's funny. I see, you know, I've been seeing pictures lately of when he played for the Giants. And, you know, a little weird, but it's okay. Did it bother? Does it bother any cowboy players that he went to arrival? How does that land for you?

No, no, we all respect Jason. We all respect what he does and him having that officer coordinator, a position. I'm just ready to get after him, honestly. I totally get it. Jalen Smith of the Cowboys. Have you met Mike McCarthy yet? I haven't. I haven't met him.

No, I understand. I haven't met him. I called him, left the voicemail. Haven't got back to me yet, but it's okay. He's a busy guy. We'll be fine. Come on, Mike. You may be a pro bowl linebacker, Mike.

Your text messaging. The quarterback of the defense. Come on. Yes. For the record, when you were, one last question, when you were high school, you're a great player. Then you go to Notre Dame, and it's a prestigious academic and football operation. And then you go to the NFL and you're a pro bowler. If I said to you, 10 years from now, what do you want to be?

You made the league, but what do you want guys like me 10 years from now to say about your game and you? That I was consistent, elite. You know, what I bring to the game is different from the normal inside middle linebacker. I just want to have a great grace and leave a great legacy, but I want to win. be a winner. You know, the Cowboys, we haven't won a championship since I think I was born. I was born in 95. I think that was maybe the last time we won. So, man, we got to get a Super Bowl, boss, man. We got to make it happen. And if you don't win, you know, being a competitor, it's, you're always going to have that itch. You're always going to have that itch.

Absolute pleasure to meet you. You, linebackers just don't run like you, not shot. to you or a five-star running back. So great having you on the show. You're welcome anytime and good luck to you and the Cowboys. I appreciate you, Colin. I'm a big fan of yours as well. Oh, thank you. Jaylon Smith of the Dallas Cowboys.

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Rehab is... Awful. Exhausting. I mean, I had to do ACL rehab, and I'm a normal person. His job isn't to do that. But to do that every single day, like the pain, exhaustion, and the frustration of not being out there to be able to go out there is, like, mentally it's the hardest part.

By the way, if when you watch Jalen Smith on our show, you see why Jerry paid him early. Like there's a lot of victimhood on social media. Let's save it for real victims. That kid, his life could have been done. That's the kind of guy. You're not just paying athletes. If I own a team, I'm paying guys who have traits I like.

How do you look at Jalen Smith and not think, I'm paying? I want that guy in my locker room for the next decade. Yeah, he's a winner. He's a winner. He's optimistic. He's smart. I love what he said. He goes, I love Jason.

Garrett, I can't wait to kick his blank. I can't wait to start practicing. But, you know, everybody, you go to social media, and everybody's a victim. And it's like, yes, there's real victims. Let's save our sympathy for real victims, not the phony Twitter stuff. Jalen Smith could have had a life that went completely sideways,

and he couldn't put weight in his foot for a year. And then all of a sudden, he has a great year, and Jimmy's like, Jerry is like, I'm paying him. I'm getting him paid. I love that story. Now, it's interesting. Tight ends. when I grew up years ago,

1972, I started watching the NFL. You did not have a lot of great tight ends. The position was not used very much. There was a guy named Benny Cunningham for the Steelers. There was a guy for the Raiders named Dave Casper, number 87. He was very good. But nobody quite knew. Most coaches didn't know what to do with the position of tied-in.

I mean, you're running backs for the shifty guys, and quarterbacks were tall and could throw the ball, and your receivers were fast. And the tight end, hey, you know, he, He can catch a little bit better than my left tackle, but he's mostly a blocker. And everybody still likes blocking tight ends. But then you started seeing guys like Kellynne Winslow, and you're like, oh, this is a real weapon. And then Antonio Gates.

And, you know, Tony Gonzalez, Shannon Sharp, there are people that come in and you're like, oh, this is not just a, this is a game changer. Well, Gronk obviously is a big part of that. I think a gronk last year in the Super Bowl and the AFC championship really was, the key offensively to New England winning the game. He made the biggest catch against the Chiefs and the two biggest against the Rams. The Super Bowl before that, it was Gronk and Zach Ertz. And I think in this Super Bowl, I think we have the two best tight ends in football. Travis Kelsey of the Kansas City Chiefs, a speed guy, a little bit more finesse, unbelievable, all-time Hall of Fame level talent. And then there's George Kittle, who's a little bit of a pro-wrestler.

He is a very good blocker. He's got speed, but he's a power guy. They're two different guys. Kittle is just, you just don't want any part of this guy if you're a defensive back and he's running. You want no part of him. He is tough. He is strong.

We're showing highlights here, great hands. And this was the play against the Saints that really, he's impossible to bring down. He definitely has some grunk qualities. And then there's Travis Kelsey. who's just a matchup problem. Travis is too fast for linebackers and too tall for corners. There's nothing about Travis Kelsey.

He's a matchup nightmare. I mean, at least you can double team Tyreek Hill. You can double team a corner. You can shade your coverage over to one side. But they move Kelsey all over the field, and he's simply physically too fast for linebackers and too big for corners and safeties. So I was thinking to myself,

I freaked everybody out yesterday because of this new technology. we have where I can, you know, occasionally look like other people. And I thought, the best matchup this Sunday, the biggest personalities in the game are the two tied ends. Because the tight end doesn't have to be stoic like a quarterback. He could be crazy town. Gronk was crazy town. And so was Kiddell and so is Travis Kelsey. And we introduced to you another edition of Trading Faces. Colin spends most of his time talking about your favorite football stuff. I mean, Baker's gotten two coaches fired already.

But today, he's talking as them. You don't play? You don't know it. This is trading faces. Imagine if George Kittle of the Niners reached out to Travis Kelsey of the Chiefs ahead of Sunday. Yeah. Hello, it's the new heavyweight tight-end champion of the world. It's me, George Kettle.

Easy, George. Your quarterback through for 77 yards against Green Bay. were you even on the field, bro? And I'm sure George would have a quick response for Kelsey regarding the 77 yards. Hey, 77 yards passing, sure, but do you see how many rushing yards we had? That's because I'm out here moving mountains, pal. It's called blocking Kelsey. Why don't you ask your brother what that is?

Very funny, kiddle cat. Yeah, you're a riot. Gronk taught me tight ends about the three seas. Catches, celebrations, and champions. chips. Listen, we know Gronk would want in on this conversation. He's always up for a good time. Yo soy fiesta, tight-end bros.

Great memory, Trave. I think Georgie Boy is the only one of you, though, that has ever carried a championship belt, and we know I'm the only one with championship rings. Good luck on Sunday. Gronk Spike. Okay, I'm freaking everybody out with those.

It's so crazy. Is that the greatest technology now known to sports Talk Radio. It really is. I love that you said he's a riot. I haven't heard that one in a while. What's that? Oh, you're a riot. I'm going to bring that back. That's my mom. My late mother used that a lot. I was a riot. That was really great. But think about this. Some of the biggest personalities now in the NFL are tight ends. Yes. I mean, Kettle is an incredible talent. Even more than receivers. You know, it's funny because receivers, they break the huddle first, and they're a little bit their own business. But a tight end,

Like Tony Gonzalez says, you're a lineman that catches passes. So you've got this weird blue-collar tough guy mentality. So you're one of the guys. You're a beer drinker. But you're the one lineman that gets the catch and celebrate and spike. So there's a unique personality. I mean, it's funny in the NFL right now. I could say last several years, Gronk, Kittle, and Travis Kelsey are the three pro wrestlers right now in the National Football League.

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Greg Olson in a couple of minutes. Russell Wilson, Cam Jordan of the Saints. Jimmy Johnson is also stopping by today. It is absolutely great to have you in. Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy, how are you? I'm great. It's a beautiful sunny day.

We're about to have a hurricane on in a second. So yesterday I went to Radio Row and, you know, listen, I'm a big deal over there. I can't believe you did that. What was it like walking through that through Radio Row? It was like Elvis through Graceland. I'm sure. by American Radio Executive. So I went there yesterday, and I went and I decided to go on.

So when I lived in Connecticut, I used to work out, get my swollen downstairs in my crappy gym. Oh, okay. Whatever. Everybody's uncomfortable with me saying that. So I would go downstairs to my cruddy gym, and I would lift weights, and, you know, I'm not going to get into how much, but I would turn on Felger and Maz in Boston. They were these kind of funny, funny sports writer guys. So I went on their show yesterday.

The rumors about Tom Brady and New England are absurd. And they're buying into all of them. So there's a rumor out now that he bought a house in Vegas and he's going to play for the Raiders. And this is all I'm going to say about this. I can't get it verified. I used to live there. I made a call this morning. Nobody knows anything.

And I don't buy into the rumors of Nick Saban bought a house in Texas. He's moving there. He's going to coach the Longhorns. I've never believed in that. Just think about it from this standpoint. Tom Brady, TB12 is his brand. Right. That brand is wholesome.

Vegas's brand is whatever the opposite of wholesome is. So avocado ice cream melts in the desert. Vegas's margaritas for breakfast. It is a Tom as corporate. The Raiders are rebels. I know Tom's in a pliability, but not for Cirque di Soleil. The Vegas thing is not happening. It doesn't make any sense for Tom Brady.

He's staying in New England. I don't buy these buying a big house in Las Vegas rumors. I made a call on that this morning. I think it's unfounded. I think it's fun, but I will say this being on Boston radio yesterday, they are. Those radio shows are all in on all these Brady rumors. I think he's going to go to New England, play one more a year, wrap it up, and go down as the greatest quarterback that ever played. And with that, I bring in somebody I've known for a long time, 13 years in the NFL.

Greg Olson, tight end, former Miami Hurricanes. Great seeing you. and with the Carolina Panthers. Before we get, I saw you last night. It was great seeing you at our little Fox NFL party. I want to talk about, you played at the U. Yep. And so when you were a kid, it's such an outspoken program and polarizing.

And you're just a mild mannered Greg Olson. When you went to the Cains, what attracted you to Miami and the U? So I came down here. I was a rising sophomore. I had an older brother that was a year ahead of me the recruiting process. My dad had known Greg Shiano. So at the time, Greg was Butch Davis's D coordinator. So he brought us down here for a summer high school camp. And from the second I got here, I just, there was something about it that just resonated with me. Again, a kid from a suburb outside

of New York in New Jersey coming down here. It wasn't where I initially went. This was always my number one choice. Ended up going to Notre Dame for a couple months. My older brother, Chris, was there. And after getting there, it just, it wasn't for me. We called at the time now, Larry Coker was the coach, called him, said they still had a spot for me, came about a week after the fall semester started, and it was the best decision I ever made. So the Notre Dame sensibility,

you lived in cold weather, you were done with it, maybe? Yeah, I got to South Bend, and I'll tell you, people laugh. I left South Bend, Indiana on a Monday, and I enrolled at the University of Miami on a Friday. I don't know if anybody has had. I wore both jerseys, which I might be the only person in history to ever do that. But you talk about a contrast in styles. It was a little bit different, but it was the best thing I ever did.

Tall, good-looking guy, great football player, playing at the U. It's different, right? It's different. Do you ever get in trouble a little bit? We probably did. It was nice, you know, so when I was in school, there was no social media. Facebook was, like, just starting out, but it wasn't widespread. It was at a few colleges.

So it was just a different era. News didn't travel as fast. Every waking moment of your life wasn't broadcast on social media and on national TV every day. it was just a different time. For the most part, guys down here have a bad rap, and it's the U from the 80s. It's not really, it wasn't like that, at least when I went there. And the guys I met have been lifelong friends,

all walks of life, all different parts of the country. It is a unique place to play. And again, I don't know if I would have had the career I've had up until this point if I didn't have those lessons learned the hard way sometimes down at UM. By the way, you could do broadcasting tomorrow and be great at it. It's sort of understood. But you still love the game.

I do. I still love competing. You know, I've been fortunate to just finish my 13th year. Been able to achieve a lot personally, been able to achieve a lot with the organization, with the team. But I still enjoy the prep. You know, the season's the easy part. I tell everybody, playing the season, once we break training camp, anybody can do that. You practice once or twice a week.

You have a lot of walkthroughs and you get yourself ready to play in front of 2 million people on TV. Anybody can do that. I still enjoy the process in the offseason, the training. looking into new ways that I, things I can implement into my career from a nutrition standpoint, from a recovery standpoint, whatever those are, to turn those stones over. And I've just always appreciated that grind. I love the challenge of being around better athletes than me, that I've got to find a way to close that gap.

I've not always been the most athletic guy, but I've been able to beat out those guys and have the longevity because I've been able to find ways to kind of close that gap. Greg Olson joining us, Carolina Panthers nine years. Before that after the U, he went Notre Dame to the U. to the Chicago Bears for four years in a great American city Chicago. It's great. What a great American.

Loved it. I never thought I'd leave. No, it's a great American city. Still go back at least once or twice a year. We have a ton of friends, eat our way through the city. It's unbelievable. My wife spent a lot of time there, and then you go to Carolina. So you've watched, when you play over a decade,

and you do see the league now, for instance, we're seeing a lot of these quarterbacks who have the 10,000 Malcolm Gladwell Hour rule. They got 10,000 throws by the time they're in ninth grade. It's not the way you and I grew up. So Lamar Jackson, Mahomes, a lot of these kids, there's almost no first-round quarterback bus. They can all play. It used to be a 50-50 ratio.

Guy makes it, guy doesn't. Take me to the change of offenses. Go to your first year in the NFL and then go to now just the change in stylistically in the league. It's night and day. I mean, I can think back to my first couple years in Chicago. And again, we were a defense run first built team with Lovey. So a little bit, that organization philosophically was just a little different than maybe some of the teams are now. But also the time in the league.

You know, you had one good pass rusher per team. If a great team had two, you were like, are we got to figure it out. It just was a different era. You know, everybody was a lot more conservative. There wasn't a lot of past protections. Everything was basic. If you didn't like your front, we would call out of it. Now, all the pressure is on the day.

defense. Everybody's spread out. Everybody's outside the box. You got to have numbers accounts. Now, if you're playing zone, we're pulling the ball and we're throwing because you got to play the run. You got to play. The way these offenses, and I'll tell you, it's really so much as the college to pro game has really transitioned, but a lot of what we're seeing now is what people have been doing since they were in high school. I remember back with my dad was my high school coach. We were running jet sweeps in our run game that everyone's making a big deal with the 49ers. We were doing that in 1999. It just hadn't reached the level of it.

Right. So like this stuff has been going on. It just wasn't going on in the NFL. And I think finally people in the NFL are saying, we can get off our high horse a little bit. If it works, it works. We don't have to worry about being called a college gimmicky offense or a high school gimmicky. If it works, it works.

And I just think you see these guys just taken off. So you guys get Matt Rule from Baylor, the college concepts. I could make the argument. That's the best thing that's ever happened to Cam News. because this is now, Ron Rivera, who I love, and he's a great coach, but he's a more conservative coach. And let's be honest, a lot of Cam success is off script. So you've met Matt Rule.

You had to impress because everybody I know that's met him is blown away by him. Where do you think they're going to go with Cam? What is your feeling? He's coming off an injury? You know, it's hard. I don't even know if Cam knows. I don't even know if the team really knows. I think there's so much uncertainty anytime you have a new organization.

Remember, we have a new owner just within the last two years. Now we have the first coach he's hired, all new staff. I think we just announced the complete staff a couple days ago. I think they're really early on in this process. But I will say everything I had heard about Matt Rule leading up to my sit down was confirmed in that meeting. From two seconds, you know, you hear him do all these press conferences and he wins everyone. He's super charismatic. He's a great communicator.

And then when you sit down in front of him, he's that guy. You know, he is that authentic. He really communicates well. He's open-minded. He doesn't think he has every answer in the book. I came away from that meeting super impressed. And to the fan base of the Carolinas and the team, I think they're in really good hands.

I had the same feeling when I met with Joe Brady, the day he got there and got hired. Two days after he wins the national championship, instead of being at the White House, he's in his office trying to meet some of the players and get his feet on the ground. I'm impressed with what Coach Ruhl is doing, both personally and what he's doing,

putting together his staff. You've had some injuries with your feet. Cam's had an injury. How do you think he is emotionally today coming back? because rehab stinks. Rehab's tough. You know, I really learned it the hard way. In 2007, I hadn't missed the game in 10 years.

17, second game of the season, step funny, crack my foot. Come back, do the first surgery, do all the rehab, think it's behind me. First game of 2018, re-break the same bone. It's exhausting. And we heard when Andrew Luck retired to start of the season,

everybody was caught off guard. For anybody who had played in this game a long time, when his words, everyone could relate to them. You're exhausted. You're tired of being. in the training room. You just want to play. You want to feel good. And for two years, I felt that way. I just, I couldn't do what I physically knew I was able to do for things that were a lot outside of my control. And I know Cam's probably feeling a lot of those same frustrations now two years

in a row. First, it was his shoulder, now his foot. But the one thing about Cam, he is going to fight, he's going to give you everything he have. He's going to attack rehab to the best as he can. He plays hurt a lot. He plays hurt a lot. People last year were talking, if he was able to play, he would have been out there. You got to drag him off the field. And that's just his, that's just his demeanor. And he's going to approach this offseason the same way. And he knows, obviously, this is a big off season for him. Okay. So we have a, I was just saying this, the tight end matchup in this game, we could argue, Kelsey is more of a finesse tight end, really tough matchup, really runs well. And then Kittles, a little pro wrestler, he's going to lock you up. But he, let me, he's not slow either.

No. But he's got a little more gronking in him. So when you look at Kelsey, what, What's the first thing as a guy that's going to get some Hall of Fame boats? What's the first thing you see with Kelsey and what's the first thing you see with Kittle? I think what stands out is if you could pick two tight ends to fit their offenses, they would both be in the perfect situation, right? I think Kelsey, they're in a pass first. He's got, you know, a generationally talented quarterback. I mean, I think Mahomes, he's the best player in the league for the last two years for sure.

He's just so unique. And his arm, his ability, his arm talent with Andy Reed and the other weapons they got going on, that field, there's not an inch of grass on that field that they can't attack. And not every team can say that. Andy Reid's the master, you know, kind of architect of that, but he plays in space. He runs great routes. He understands leverage. He understands, you know, what defenses are trying to do to take away from him. He's super smooth and he's faster than sometimes I think he appears because he's so smooth. And then Kittle, he's in a run first team. And firsthand, those couple years in Carolina, when we were rolling, we were a run first team. So I can relate to that. And, you know,

You know, you look around the league and you see what some of these other guys are doing, throwing it 50, 60 times a game. That's not going to be the 49ers, but what's rare about Kittle is he can impact the game with 10 catches or with one because of what they ask him to do and the way he's embraced that run game and that Kyle Shanahan zone game. And it's just not a lot of guys like him who are so prolific in the passing game, but have embraced that run game so much. By the way, Tony Gonzalez said he loved blocking because he knew it got him more

catches. You're a blocker. You're roll it out. So, I mean, when we were rolling, we were, you know, obviously now with McAfrey, but even before Christian, with Jonathan Stewart and DeAngelo and Cam, you're a power team. We were a run first. Our Super Bowl year, we were a great running team. We were the number one offense in the league, but a lot of that was because of Cam's run, because of our run-game with, you know, with Stu and those guys. So I get that. If you can be in the game on every play and they don't know runner pass, you're at a huge advantage. I think there's a lot of Titans in the league where everything is situational substitutions. And if it's my package and I run on the field, they know it's a pass.

And if it's the other guy, they know it's the run. If you can be in there play after play after play, I always felt I played better that way because I could learn, I could get into a routine. Maybe not every block was great. But as the game went on, I played better. I think that's a huge advantage for Kittle. And I think he's really embraced that mentally. And, you know, he's, again, both those guys are, you can put him in a hat and you'd take both.

Is the Super Bowl different? You were in one? Did it feel different? Bill Romanoxki told me his first series, he told me this at dinner the other night, he doesn't remember it. It was just too many flash bulbs. You know, there's a lot of parts of that game that are a blur.

I think pregame is super long. The anthem is super long. You know, that year, I think back to that 15 team, we were so emotional. We were so riding high. We were played with great energy. You reminded me of Baltimore this year. Yeah.

It's very similar. watching them struggle in that game. You know, we rolled through the playoffs, and we just really struggled in the playoffs in the Super Bowl. We never got our rhythm. We were such a rhythm and an energy, and the energy in that stadium is zero. There's not a lot of true passionate fans.

I mean, the NFC championship, we're blown out the second best team in the league, the Cardinals. Your fans are going crazy. People don't sit down. The Super Bowl crowd is just different. There was no energy. TV timeouts take 10 minutes.

And we just never found it. our groove. And we were the best offense in the league. There was something about that game, the rhythm of that game. We just really struggled harnessing. And, you know, it cost us an unbelievable shot of winning a Super Bowl. I have to ask you about Christian McCaffrey.

We were talking during a break, Joy and I and I said, you know, you sometimes compare players. There's some Barry Sanders here where guys don't miss him. They're literally out of the frame of the picture when they miss him. Go back to the little Stanford running back. The first time you saw him,

I mean, you watch college football, but the first Panther practice you saw him, because there was a lot of speculation. And he said, I know he'll make people miss. I saw his dad play. His dad was tough. But he's a little smaller. And in the first game I saw him, I'm like, oh, this is going to work. I remember watching him in college. You know, obviously the West Coast games, we don't always see a ton of them. But his last year there, I mean, it's funny, his mom sent us a tweet the other day. She went back and found of mine. I thought he should have won the Heysman. I mean, nothing against Derek Henry who won it. He was amazing. Still is. I just think Christian, what he did in college between the punt returns, the kick returns, the guy was unbelievable. And Stanford was okay.

I think if you take him off that team, they're okay. They're kind of like what they are now, maybe. Yeah. And, you know, and then when we drafted him, I just knew he was going to be an element to the offense. I would have loved to have seen Christian with Cam, a little bit more of the 15, 16, that we were used to and add him. We never really got to play. 2017 Christian's rookie year. We made the playoffs.

We saw a little bit of it. But I think we could have been really special if all those stars aligned because he's just the volume he can take at his size, his toughness, the way he trains. He's rare. There's not a lot of guys like him. Well, if they bring you back, we'd love to watch you play. And if the Carolina Panthers move on, as you said,

there's some kind of operational changes. They've changed the front office. They've changed the coach. And if they don't, we got a seat for you. I appreciate that. Always admire you. I think you're just one of the really smart, good guys in the league, Greg, and thanks for coming on. Thanks so much.

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walked into a party last night. Deshawn Jackson of the Eagles came in. first of all, you cannot be around to Sean Jackson and not want to hug him. He's so funny. So he just comes over and I'm such a nerd. So I walk over and he's like, heard. He goes, give me on your show. We watch you all the time. And I'm thinking you're a Philadelphia Eagle. They all hate me. And I'm like,

you know the best punt return I've ever seen. And his friend butts in and goes, Cal versus Tennessee. And I'm like, yeah, I was going to say in college. Cal again. And he's like, yeah, he gets that all the time. So YouTube, Deshawn Jackson punt return, Cal Bear, the step back. He moonwalked back. I think Brent Musburger was on the call. But it's so fun to see some of these guys we don't normally see.

And you see him in a different setting. You see him at parties. In all fairness, though, you always speak very highly of him, even in your critical. Well, listen, the minute he got hurt, they don't have a deep threat. Right. You can't. That offense is slow. It was different without him.

He was the ignition. He was the juice to the offense. It probably does matter that I say nice things. You do. Joy Taylor with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. It's not that you say mean things.

I'm tough on Aaron Rogers. You are tough. Yeah, I don't know. He doesn't like me and I'm okay with. He's always welcome on the show. And I'm tough on Baker. I'm a big, I'm a big supporter of Aaron Rogers.

So I feel like we can balance it on the show. Yeah, no, we're balanced. Hey, fair and balance. Yeah, we're fair and balanced show, Aaron. Come on. So, too is still. the men after having hip surgery last November and he joined first things first this morning and gave a little update on his recovery. What I'm most worried about is getting the CT scan done with our MRIs,

you know, after the three month mark. So it wouldn't be this upcoming Monday, but the following week, you know, and so once we kind of get a gauge on the healing process from there, then I think that's when the doctors would be able to communicate with me and my family, you know, and tell us we're going to be good or you know, here's things we need to be cautious about stuff. So he's worried about getting the CT scan done with his MRIs, which is, as he said, he's coming up on the three-month mark. So he still is very early in the recovery process of his surgery. I don't care what the MRI says.

I'm drafting him top five if there's two other guys gone. I'm drafting out. If it's up to me, I don't even care about his injuries. I'm taking him as the first quarterback. I was concerned about his injuries before. the hip surgery happened. I was higher on Burrow before the end of the season, before he, before Tua had this injury.

But I do think if there's such a desperation and a need for quarterbacks, especially in this draft, you have to take a risk on it. And when it comes to the draft, I mean, you're a draft nerd. My philosophy on the draft is, and this is why I feel like the dolphins should be very aggressive, is it's great to have a bunch of draft picks. But you don't know what you're getting. Nobody knows.

Hello, Tom Brady went in the sixth round. Lamar dropped to the end of the first rounds. talk all the time of Russell Wilson's coming on later in the third round like you don't really know what you're getting it's a really a crap shoot so don't hoard all these draft picks and and be timid in the draft to me the draft is a time where you are aggressive so I'm with you even though I think high more highly of burrow and at this point just because of health reasons Herbert if you need a quarterback take toa who cares what happens but we have a history by the way this is one of the myths of the draft there's this myth that if you trade draft picks

move up and get a quarterback and he's not good, it ruins you. No. So the Redskins, remember the Redskins gave up a bunch of picks to get RG3. It didn't work, and they won the division like a year later. The bottom line in this league,

you can give up draft picks all the time as long as you have your coach and your quarterback right. That's, that is, I mean, look at, Houston's a mess, but they've got Deshawn Watson and they win divisions. You do a lot wrong at that organization. They got Kirk Cousins in that draft, too. And have they not been the Washington Redskins, they might be in a different situation right now.

So, yeah, absolutely. Just be aggressive. You really don't have anything to lose. So Kyle Shanahan is loving the extra week. He has to get ready for the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. And he wishes preparation for every game could be like this. It's awesome. I wish the players could have two weeks every week to do a game plan.

I mean, for them to come out on a Wednesday today and just be firing on all a cylinder. It's not usually like that. We put in a couple new things today, took out some stuff we didn't like last week, but I think it takes a little bit of the pressure off the guys because they've had plenty time to study and do stuff. That's usually not the story when it comes to the Super Bowl, that there's a lot of time to sit around and study. So maybe the four-uniters are handling the preparation for this game a little differently.

You know, it's funny. Historically, Andy reads the second best coach, the Vince Lombardi off a bye. That alone, I would take Kansas City, but I think Shanahan is such an academic. that I think it mutes some of the advantage. I do think, I remember McVeigh saying this, you know, he was going up against Bill Belichick, but he did say that he kind of over-prepared for the Super Bowl last year. Facing an iconic coach.

Right. So he kind of overthought situations where he would have relied more on his instincts and just went out there and played it like it's any other game. I think that's the balance of the Super Bowl. Every guy that comes on that's played in the Super Bowl says that. Like it doesn't feel like a regular game leading up to it. But once you get on the field and you're in the game, you realize, okay, let's settle down and do what we do.

And it's usually the team that is way over emotional or that is over-prepared or is looking at it as something as the actual Super Bowl and not doing what they're supposed to do with doing what got them there that it doesn't end up winning. The old saying is paralysis by analysis. You want to prep, but you want guys to play fast. Don't jam them up with stuff. You put it, you install your game plan. You know, I was talking, we had Bill Romanowski on.

He said Bill Walsh tried to make the week. and practices with laughter. Lighten up. Let's go. Let's play fast. You've got your information. We're not going to bog you down and make you heavy and your head heavy. Right. Well, you know what to do. Just make some tweaks here and there. Finally, Garapolo hasn't needed to put up big numbers in the postseason

to get them to the Super Bowl and how he will have a big test against the Chiefs on Sunday. But Troy Aikman thinks he's up for the challenge. And Bill Belichick's confidence in Jimmy G. When he was in New England is ultimately what influenced Aikman's opinion. If something were to happen to Tom Brady, he said that he felt that they could win with Jimmy Garapolo. And when Bill Belichick says win, that doesn't mean go win week three. You know, I mean, that wins means win at all. So I thought it spoke volumes to the respect that he had for him.

You know, when the trade first happened, I was very skeptical of Garoppolo because I felt like everyone was speaking so highly of him. Sure. He's played in like three. NFL games. Like what, what do you guys know? You don't know anything. None of us know anything about it. And then the story came out that Garoppolo was supposed to be the next Tom Brady.

And Belichick liked him more. And wanted to replace him. And I was like, I think I'll buy it. Like, I was completely skeptical of Jimmy T. I thought it was like way over exaggerated. That story, just like Eggman said, changed my entire opinion on him completely. Yeah. It's like Belichick has that power.

Yep. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. One of the things that's important when you're a commissioner of a league is aesthetics, or as we more popularly say, optics, aesthetics, how do things look? I saw yesterday Patrick Mahomes, or maybe it was the day before, said,

I want to play in Kansas City for the rest of my life. Of course, it's the NFL. He couldn't leave now if he wanted. wanted to. By design, the NFL smartly creates a financial scenario in which first four years they've got you, then they have a team option year five. If you get drafted in the first round, then they can franchise tag you at least two more years. You may say that lacks mobility for a player. Yeah, probably, but the NFL makes a lot of players rich too. Sometimes we champion mobility for the NBA player. Durant's leaving and going to

of Brooklyn, and LeBron is leaving and going to L.A. But I don't think it's necessarily always great for the brand, the league, that all the cool kids in the NBA always seem to go to like six or seven cities. I think it's cool in the NFL right now, but all the cool kids, Brett Farve was in Green Bay, and Peyton Manning was in Indianapolis, and Patrick Mahomes is in Kansas City, Russell Wilson's way up there in Seattle, and Lamar Jackson's over in Baltimore. I think it's relatable. In the NBA too often, the cool kids, and everybody knows when you're not one of them, I wasn't.

Everybody knows when you're getting dissed and dumped. Oklahoma City, Indiana, Cleveland. I am for personal mobility. I like and support players leaving in the NBA. But if you told me what's the better way to brand for fans in the middle of the country, it's to have Brett Farr, Peyton Manning, and Patrick Mahomes amongst the cornfields

and the cold winters and the sweltering summers of the Midwest. I think aesthetically and optically it seems more fair and more relatable. And I think he's in the perfect spot for the next 15 years. Not too cool out west or to elite in the Northeast

right smack dab like Brett Fav in the middle of the country. By the way, there's a story out today about Cleveland Browns firing one of their employees. He was the son of a popular GM, Ron Wolfe. Ron Wolf says, too many analytics in football. And I will say as somebody who works at a network that has 40% of NFL broadcast, I don't think analytics are always good for the television product. I think analytics and baseball have taken away activity.

it's home runs or strikeouts. Less people on base. Less movement. I don't like it. I think stylistically, the NBA and analytics, it's a three-point game. I miss power forwards. I miss tough guys.

I miss guys in the paint. I miss seven-footers throwing up a hook shot. I am for analytics, but I don't always think it makes your sport better as a TV product. But I will say this about Cleveland. It doesn't really matter. Because the analytic department, previous to this group, recommended Sean McDermott.

And the owner wouldn't listen and hired Freddie Kitchens. Analytics matter. Both the Chiefs and the 49ers are ahead of the curve in the NFL on analytics. It should be noted the New York Giants are a mile behind. I'm all for analytics in Cleveland, but if you have an impulsive owner who won't let the analytics people do their jobs, like hiring Sean McDermott, it doesn't matter. Companies erode and flourish, always starting with ownership and capital and the decisions and power at the top.

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I drank beers with him last night and still went to bed early. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Great to have you back in Miami, one of America's great cities. I said yesterday I like coming to cities where I can use the city as an excuse if I have bad judgment. out late last night. That's Miami. What do you expect from me? Cam Jordan's on the way to an absolute Hall of Fame career, nine years, five Pro Bowls, never missed a regular season game. It is great to have you again. You are repin the Saints.

Look at you. You would think, you know, I would look at you, good-looking guy, pro-bowler. I look at you and I'm like, he is just tearing up New Orleans. And your wife, that doesn't happen. Yeah. Yeah. Your wife. Three kids in. You know, she expects me to still be up at 6 a.m. when my son wakes up. Son on the same body clock as I'm on. We're nationally we wake up with the sun.

So 5.45, 6 o'clock. My son is up, so I can't be out until 3, 4 o'clock in the morning. And if I am, she has no remorse for me. She'd like, so he's yours. All right. Hurry. I'm sorry. No, no, he's still yours.

Okay. Come on, Tank. Let's go down there. Meanwhile, his name is Tank for a reason. He's an absolute monster. Is he? I love him. And your wife.

And I don't think I love about your wife. If you want to have a second glass of wine Oh, she starts counting. Hey, that's sniffed quick. It's like, it's not sniffed. It's just, you know, I'll say, it's the second one tonight. Yeah, I'm going to put this down. You're right.

I don't need this. She makes me a better athlete. There you go. Yeah, she makes me a better athlete. And a better person. Exactly. Don't they all. I'm more focused.

All right. So you lost a heartbreaking game. I swear, you guys are in more crazy emotional finishes. So tell me a little bit about San Francisco's offensive line. Okay, we know their defense. of personnel. They have pretty good tackles, Cam. I kind of like their O-line. Tell me what Kansas

cities pass rushers will face with the Niners O-line. I mean, they're going to switch up sets. They're going to get a lot of help. They do a lot of chip pros. They keep the tight ends at times. They do a phenomenal job of covering up their weaknesses. What do you mean? That's exactly

what I said. I'm not diving in on that one. You can speak specific. You know, look, they have they have the ability to apparently attack you in the air. We didn't know about it until our game. So are you saying Jimmy Garoppolo is a weakness? Nope. I'm simply saying that their ground game is a far stronger attribute of their team.

And then they played us and showed us that they had an ability to pass. When you have weapons, you bring in like Emmanuel Sanders, and you have weapons like G. Kittle over there, it sort of seems to be forgotten because they have their committee by running back. So you're not sold. yet on Jimmy G. I'm only sold on the three facts of life. Tom Brady is undoubtedly always going to be in a playoff run.

He's always going to be poised to have a Super Bowl run. The New Orleans Saints with Drew Breeze has always been poised to make a playoff run. And you know that he has the talent to put you in the playoffs every year. And the third truth is I would like nothing more than to play my entire career with the New Orleans Saints. But we'll see if that happens. So technically there's only two truths. and one hopeful. And then after that, nothing else to you is guaranteed.

Nothing else is guaranteed. So you had San Francisco. Kittle makes a play at the end. Makes a huge play at the end. Some would say, you know, forced his way into a field goal situation. I'm going to simply say that, you know, you can never let a team get close to you and make it a close game.

And that has been the recurring theme of my entire playoff last three years. Was San Francisco the best team you faced this year? You know, honestly, I thought the Cowboys had a chance when we first played them early on in the year. And then I turned on, you know, six games from then, and they were still losing. And I was like, how'd that happen? I felt like they had a team that was poised to make a playoff run and then didn't reach the playoffs. So after that, I'd have to agree. Heck, we played the Rams, and the Rams looked great early on in the year.

They did. You had a touchdown taken away from you, which, by the way... I've had two touchdowns taken away from me. If we want to talk about this, I've had one regular season, one postseason. But you don't get mad. You smiled in L.A. You laughed. Because at the end of the day, you know, you can't help but try and laugh this off.

Because after this 87-yard run, I still had to go back there on defense the next play or the next series. So I think it was like a three-in-out thing. I was back there within two minutes. I have a quiet. We talked about this yesterday. You guys are in the most unique situation in the NFL. You have a Hall of Famer as a course. I'm a huge Teddy Bridgewater fan.

And then Taysam Hill is like nothing I've ever seen. The proverbial Swiss Army knife. You can put them anywhere. Can Taysam work as a starter? Absolutely. He's a starting running back. He's a starting fullback. He's a starting tight in.

He's starting. Could he be your quarterback? Tasam plays quarterback whenever we need them to. You've seen him throw a deep ball. You've seen him throw a couple outs. You can't peg them. I don't. If you have to pay him, I don't know. That's something I don't, what do you qualify him as?

He's probably the best athlete. Is he the best athlete on the team? What? Have you seen Alva Camarra? Have you seen Camar Jordan? Well, I'm saying he can do. I've seen Marcus Davenport, Marcus Williams. He's one of the faster straight line athletes, indeed.

You talk about what Tatea Hill brings to the game. You can't peg him. So that makes him a super versatile athlete in his own right. Where do you, not to speak for anybody else, but you've had a nine-year career, and it's a Hall of Fame. You're really close to it. You're going to get votes now.

Is that true? I don't see myself that way. You're a nine-year pro and a five-in-a-brother is a Hall of Fame. No, you get to the 130-plus sack mark. Then you talk about Hall of Fame numbers. At 87 sacks, we'll see what happens in a couple more years. Okay, if you play 10 years and make the Pro Bowl again, six Pro Bowls in 10 years, you're getting Hall of Fame votes.

And you're also, here this matters too, you're also part of an iconic franchise and a big personality and you've won a bunch of games. That's the Eli Manning. Stuff matters. When you look at Drew Breeze, if you were Drew, you got the net worth, you got the money, do you have the love that you just, if you were Drew, I just want to come back.

I like the process. I like my guys. Would you come back? Absolutely. The way he takes to the game, the way that he is not only came back from his surgery when he came from San Diego to New Orleans, he's made not only made New Orleans home, but he's made New Orleans a franchise with the Super Bowl. You talk about what he has done for the team, what he brings to the team. The love of the game that he has, you see it every day.

He brings his kids to the locker room. I mean, at one point, you know, his kids, they rolled in lockers for his kids. His kids are part of the team. You know, that's something that you can't replace. You go, the way that he attacks practice, the way that he attacks games, you can't replace that kind of feeling. Like, you know, you retire and you talk to everybody who has retired, and it's about, but hey, I've missed a locker. As much as successes you have on the field,

you can't replace the feeling of the family that you get while you're part of the game. You know, it's funny, you played football at Cal, which is this. Go Bears. Go Bears. It has a lot of NFL dudes. But it's sort of a, it's a quirky counterculture, California Brainiac school.

And then you go to the heart and soul of Louisiana. And the Saints... Yeah, that Nola, babe. You cut the city and it's Saints blood. Just talk about playing for the Saints and the importance they have to the city. Can you feel it? Absolutely. I mean, I'm in the community like every week, whether that be at a high school, elementary, middle school.

I'm talking to kids. I'm doing different activations, different modules, whereas you're bringing football not only to the school, but you're talking about beyond football, what it is to take care of a body, what it means to have the right mindset to not only attack your courses in class, but as well as a deal with stress and life outside of class. And when you talk about when you're part of you're going into different schools, you're going to different parts of the city, you understand what it means to be not only a New Orleans, a New Orleanian, but just a fan in general. You don't see many kids grow up like, I don't really watch football.

Everybody you talk about talks about the Saints. Like the Saints and New Orleans goes hands in hand. I'm not sure which one feeds off the other, but it's an ever-evolving solution that, you know, when the Saints are doing well, the City is doing extremely well. Right. Like they'll tell you, like, you know, when the Saints lose, productivity slumps Monday right there's a direct correlation in that I mean so you don't you don't really have that kind of relationship with from city to team team to city in many different

many other places in the one is so when you look right now at this game if I said to you San Francisco's got more good players Kansas City's got the best player does that feel right when you've watched these two? I like what he said that. But the best player? Yeah, the best players. The two teams taking the field. Mahomes is the best player.

San Francisco's got more good players. Does that feel inaccurate? I'm rarely inaccurate, but this could be the one time ever. That's what I'm saying. I don't know. In terms of this year, that might be accurate.

And I mean, I would say San Francisco has a lot of great players. And you might be saying that other two teams with Mahomes on the field, it might be the best player. Yeah. See, I'm mostly accurate. I'm very consistent. I don't know if good, I don't know if good, you know, is the measurable there.

G. Kittle is great. Yeah, and no doubt. You talk about. Richard Sherman was great. Richard Sherman has been great for all nine years. Draft class 2011. Cam Jordan, hour three next. Russell Wilson. Thanks, bud, the herd.

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joining us this hour and Pete Schrager. Fun, interesting people joining us. Look at our set, by the way. It's beautiful. Is that unbelievable? You know, Russell had a big announcement this morning. Russell Wilson did. Yes.

What was his big announcement? Oh, I know his big announcement. I don't want to give it away yet. Well, I mean, they gave it away this morning. Everybody knows. But if you want to wait and say it to him when he comes on. That's Twitter. Nobody's on Twitter.

Everybody is watching our show for all. All the big announcement. Of course. The Super Bowl is, of course, Sunday. I've told the story about Russell Wilson before that I grew up in a family. I can't really explain it where nobody liked sports. So my sister didn't like sports. My dad was very stoic, like politics a little bit in business.

Optometheus didn't like sports. My mom was from Great Britain, so she didn't like sports. And I don't know how in the world it happened, but I was obsessed with sports as a And I think some of it was I lived kind of in the middle of nowhere and I didn't have a lot of neighbors. And so you ended up, you had a basketball hoop and a ball or a baseball and a bat and I would do play by play and so because my sister was five years older. So I was alone a lot.

I wasn't lonely. I was having a great time by myself. I wasn't lonely, but I was alone. And I would fill out baseball cards. And I've told people before, I think it's why I do this for a living. So I just talked my way through all the games. And so, you know, people, I occasionally talk to myself. And people will say to me if they catch me talking to myself, that's interesting.

That is odd. And I'm like, you should see the other 17 hours a day I'm talking to myself. I don't think it's odd. I talk to myself more than I talk to anybody else. I talk to myself all day. Right. So I grew up as a kid doing play-by-play and talk. But the story, the reason I'm telling the story is, so my first.

family was really never into sports. And then all of a sudden, Russell Wilson happened with the Seattle Seahawks. Yeah. And my sister, I just, it was so crazy. So Russell goes to the Seahawks, and then I get a text during a Seahawk game about six years ago. She's like, oh, my God, I'm going to throw up. This game is ridiculous. And I'm like, what are you talking about?

And she sends me a picture of this little beer mug, and it's got a Russell Wilson jersey over. It's your sister. It's my sister. And she's like, oh, my God, I love him. And I love the Seahawks. And so my sister create this, like, sports relationship because of Russell Wilson. And it really has. I've said this before.

There are certain quarterbacks in the NFL, like Drew Breeze feels like New Orleans. I mean, Big Ben feels like Pittsburgh. I think when it comes to Russell Wilson, I think for people that have lived there, I grew up with Jim Zorn. And then it was Dave Craig. And then it's Russell Wilson. And the Seahawks weren't always good, but we've always had stars at quarterback. And I think Russell's here to play now.

He's here to play for the next 10 years. And I think he is, Russell has created a brand, which is now the greatest compliment is when people duplicate your brand. And I think Russell Wilson has gotten a lot of players. Kyler Murray's one, Johnny Mansell's another, gotten players draft that he's my friend. I see him about once a year in person. Let's bring him up. Russell Wilson on the herd today. What is going on?

How you doing? Congratulations. You know, it is, we were talking, I was talking to Jalen Smith of the Cowboys earlier, and he was a great Notre Dame player, got hurt, people forgot about him. Yep. And then he got, and then he has to go into rehab,

and I said, you went from Notre Dame to the Dallas Cowboys, Big Brands. Yeah. So I've told you this story one time before. I'm on my couch in West Hartford, Connecticut, and I never do this. And it's his first start for North Carolina State. And I text Kirk Herbstree, who was at a game.

I said, who's Russell Wilson? I've texted him twice in my life. And I watched you, and I said, this is the future of the league. I don't know if you remember that. Then you had a great career. You go to Wisconsin. So you sit on the couch,

and nobody calls your first round, and nobody calls you second. And you put up profound numbers for a conservative run-based offense. Was there a moment, even as an optimistic person, you thought, I'm not going to get drafted? No, I believe I was going to get drafted. I just didn't know when. But the funny part about that situation about draft day, it was April 27. I'll never forget it.

And I'm sitting down in my uncle's basement. He's a lawyer in D.C. And he's got this long, old school, like white phone that's hanging on the wall. You know, the long cords and everything else. And you're supposed to call your cell phone, and you give them two numbers. You give them your cell phone, and you give them a house phone or a landline that they can call. And the landline keeps calling. Like I said, he's a lawyer, though.

And I keep picking up the phone. I'm like, hello? And I'm thinking it's a team, hopefully. And this is the first round, second round. And sure enough, it's like, is Mr. Wilson there? I'm like, yeah, I think you have the right one, and it's not. They're asking for my uncle Ben. And sure enough, I keep having to hang up the phone.

But the funny thing is ESPN is showing me live. And so it's kind of one of those things I'm picking up the phone, hoping that somebody's calling, no team is. And sure enough, come the third round, I'm sitting there, and my phone rings. And it's a 206 area code, Seattle area code, and that's when I knew. Now, did you feel, and you changed, it was really interesting. You changed the organization. So you go up into the Pacific Northwest. What did you know about Seattle?

Well, you grew up on the other coast. What did you know about Pete Carroll, maybe USC? I mean, you were really going there, Russ, by yourself. It was Pete's a defensive guy. It's different, right? It was a different environment. I knew a few things. I knew, first of all, it rained a lot.

Second of all, I knew that Microsoft Amazon was there. I knew Pete Carroll was there, and I knew about this defense. And so those are the few things I knew. I didn't know anything else more than that. But what I did believe was that I was going to be to have an opportunity to play. And I love Coach Carroll when you. And he was coaching at USC and I was watching him. I remember I was a little kid and he hates when I bring this up.

But the Vince Young, Texas versus USC football game, he's still bitter about that one. But it's one of those things that I remember Coach Carroll. I remember what he did in the inner city of L.A. For all those kids. And I just remember how in touch he was with people and his players. And that always meant a lot to me. I think that was always significant to me. And so, you know, when I got there, you know, my thing was I was going to be there early in the

mornings. I was going to stay late and do whatever. took to get the opportunity to play. And I knew that if I just got the chance to play, then I could do it. And that's what it took. I was on the East Coast at the time, and I tell the story that I was following you on Twitter. Goulet, you may have been my producer.

I forget who it was, but I said, this Russell Wilson, he's texting at 4.30 in the morning, in the off season, he's going to work out. And I remember saying, that's beyond like Brady. Do you think, because when you got there, Matt Flynn was there. Do you think part of that was you were trying to prove, okay, I may be an inch shorter than you wanted me to be. I'm going to prove to you guys how dedicated I am. Well, you know, to be honest with you, I've kind of always been wired that way. I've always been an early morning in person.

My dad used to wake me up early in the morning, 5.30, 6 o'clock in the morning. When I'm, you know, 7, 8, 9, 10 years old, he used to hit me grounders, you know, and I used to, you know, hit BP and do all that stuff. The mental part of the game has always been really critical to me and just, you know, what I say to myself in between my ears, and I firmly believe when I'm up early in the morning and getting going and I feel like I've already started. And one of the things my dad used to always telling when I was little, I remember growing up was it's not just the other team or the other player you're competing against. It's the other kid across the country that you're competing against. And this is when I was in middle school, high school. And so that always kind of gave me a perspective that no matter what, somebody's up somewhere.

And I want to make sure I'm doing everything than I can because that's the one thing I can control is. is how I'm thinking, the mental side of the game on all that, and what I'm saying between my ears. One of the things you've done that I find remarkable, and I've said this again, Doug Baldwin's undrafted. D.K. Metcalf's a rookie. Will Disley was a defensive end who they made a blocking tide end, and he works. You're like my stepson's a chef.

You're like butter. You work with everything. D.K. Metcalfe. He drops in the draft. probably not a world-class route runner yet, but it clicked with you. It clicked quickly. So let's go back to that relationship because it should be noted.

A lot of great quarterbacks, if they don't trust receivers, they won't let it go. There's something happen in that relationship quick. What? It was the work ethic. You can't replace that part of it. The time that you spend,

the energy, the passion that you put behind the game, all the hard work. I mean, we were getting up early in the mornings last summer during the, during the SP's weeks, and during that whole entire week training at UCLA, getting up at, you know, throwing at 520 in the morning, 5.30 in the morning at UCLA early in the morning when nobody's up, and the sun's just coming up. And I think that, you know, that drive to have somebody else do that with you, you know, and, you know, work together on that. And there's places that he wants to go.

You know, he wants to be the best to ever do it at his position. And he talks about it. He's not afraid about it. He's very humble. But the reality is you have to visualize that. He had to visualize success, and he definitely does that. When you run, I mean, clearly, Kyler Murray, you could argue Johnny Mansell, you're getting guys drafted now. And I always, we say on the air, it's very dangerous to look at Russell Wilson and go, yeah, my quarterback's six feet.

He looks, he plays a little like Russell. And it's like, eh, not really. When you take off on a play, I think we've discussed this before. Greg CoSell works for NFL films. He says you're the hardest quarterback. he said, I swear to you, they're designed runs. He goes, they're runs, but when Russell does it, it's almost like you're on a path. How much of your offense and when you move is off script and how much is actually on script?

Well, I would say that first of all, in terms of design runs, we probably have five to maybe 10%, depending on the week, of design runs for me. I would more say on this 5%. I mean, it's a lot of it is the scrambling part of getting open. I mean, these defensive lines and the players that they have, I mean, you've got to be able to move in this game nowadays. When you're facing guys who are going to play this weekend, for example, and guys like Bosa and Armstead, all these different players, you know, that can really get to the quarterback. Guy who used to play with me, Frank Clark, you know, guys who knows that to get after the quarterback. You've got to be able to move. You see that with Mahomes and see that with other players.

But I would say that I always tell guys, there's going to be 10 to 20 to 20. 12 plays that are going to be movement plays, probably within this game. In every one of those plays, we've got to make something happen. And so we pride ourselves on that because that's when, you know, we have the first to the fifth read and everything else, but once that's not there, that's when the magic happens. And I think that's where we make a lot of great plays. Does Pete ever say, oh, Ross, does he ever get nervous? You know, he's a defensive coach.

They're all conservative, Ross. I think he used to when I was younger. I think, you know, because the first year he's like, is this going to worry? Is this going to work? Is this going to be able to happen week in and week out? And sure enough, I think you start experiencing it. And a lot of times, a lot of the great plays happen in those moments, you know, because they have no defense for it.

You can't plan for it. We don't want to, I don't even know. 90% of the time, I don't even know where I'm going. And so that's the fun part about the game. It's just the magic that happens. Guys like Tyler Lockett and how quick he's. He's like a little race car. He just gets in and out of his cuts really fast.

And the plays, he makes you think about the Rams game and how he's just scrambling, trying to find a place to go. And he goes to the back corner, we hit him in the back corner. Just the creativity that it takes, you know, and really the receivers do a really, really good job of that. And it makes it easy on me. Now, you played San Francisco twice.

You single-handedly, it felt like beat them the first time. You gave their defensive line. Russell, you gave them some problems. Is there a little secret sauce to beating them? Man, I don't know if there's a secret sauce to be. And I think that you're going to have to play great. throughout the whole entire game. I mean, they really know what they're doing, what they're doing.

They know how to get out of the quarterback. I think Robert Sala is one of the best coaches in football. You know, why? Well, I used to be with him when he was in Seattle. And his attention to detail is phenomenal. I mean, he really knows what he's paying attention to. He really knows what he's looking for. And he's a great football coach.

And he knows how to, once he beats you once, you know, with a play, he's going to try to bring it again at some point. He's going to try to make it look a little bit different. And he's really creative in that sense. But I also think they have great players, you know, and obviously guys like Sherim over there in the corner position. You got guys up front. And the defense line is really what causes the havoc. And then they have linebackers that can, you know, that can get to the quarterback and run down guys.

Well, this morning, you made an announcement. Pretty cool. I saw that. And would you like to share with our audience what that is? Yeah, we're having a baby number three, you know. So, yeah, we were just. Let's hear it, baby number three. Yeah, pretty cool.

So we were just, we just went to the program. We went down to Turks and one of my hobbies is taking, you know, photographs. A lot of them. Yeah, a lot of them. So I end up taking a pretty cool picture of Sierra today. How did you, so that was that you that was that you that took up in the, she's standing on the rocks? Yeah, that's, that's me that I took that selfie.

And actually it was just kind of spontaneous. She was on the rocks walking. And I had just taken the main picture that she posted. And I was like, hey, let's do a selfie. And so sure enough, it was actually pretty cool just how, you know, how she was behind me and stuff like that. So end up posting that. Is it hard to balance the dad thing and the football thing?

Not at all. I think that, you know, to be honest with you, it's more about the dad thing than the football thing. And I think that once you understand that, that life is really about the family and the people that rock with you and go with you everywhere and support you through all things.

I mean, the football part is the natural part that comes easy and you work at it and you get to do it. Just God gave you a gift to throw a ball and run around and make a throw. do whatever you get to do in life. But the fun part about family is that, you know, that's the part that's gonna last.

You know, this game, I hope that I can play another 12 to 15 years. But the reality is, is family is forever. And as much as I love this game, and as much as you invest all your time and energy, there's no better time than just spending, taking your kids to school and dropping them off and picking them up and going to little man's little league basketball

or, you know, or doing, you know, taking Sienna to ballet lessons, whatever that is. And so to me, those are the cherished moments that I've learned, you know, over the past few years, especially being a stepdad, I think that I've learned that even more what, like, real love is like and to be able to love somebody that's not necessarily your own, you know, biologically, but to love them like they are. I think that's been one of the greatest gifts in my life that I've experienced in the past few years for me. Well, the NFL, Seattle, are incredibly lucky to have you. By the way, you have a product that I own

Bose noise canceling 700 headphones. If you do not have these, you're endorsing them today. Great on airplanes. Well, they are. The noise canceling on the 700s is amazing. First of all the time, I love music. And obviously, I'm married to Sierra, so she loves music. We're always listening to music.

But just to be able to travel and constantly, you know, put my headphones on and just kind of cancel out the noise. I always say ignore the noise. You know, it brings peace in my life. I'm always on the field pregame and walking around. And I'm constantly singing and playing music. I wish I could sing. But I'm constantly playing music in my head.

And I just think that, you know, for me as a quarterback, to be able to, you know, simplify life, you know, and simplify the noise, especially today with social media and everything else that's going on and everything else. Very toxic. Yeah, you know, it can be. It can be if you let it. And it also can be good. And, you know, it's like, for example, we were just driving in here and I was just reading

Jeannie Bus's post about Kobe. And just reading, I know Jeannie too, and I had the fortunate situation to get to know Kobe as well. And just, it can also be good, just to the social part of just knowing what people are going through and helping one another and praying for one another. And, you know, even in tough times, you know, and so, you know, just to think about, you know,

this Kobe situation is pretty heavy for me, you know. And, you know, I actually, you know, I used to fly helicopters, I should say. I'm not flying them anymore. But, you know, for me, that's kind of been a heavy situation in my heart and just, you know, really, you know, watching, you know,

different guys like Shaq, for example, and what he said the other day just kind of brought tears to my eyes, you know, and just so many. Incredibly, I felt sick. Yeah. I don't, he was taken too early. Yeah, you know,

and I think that anytime you lose somebody, especially the magnitude that Kobe was to the game and just sports in general, and then all the other families and then his daughter, you know, And, you know, there's no real good in it, it feels like. But the best thing that we can do is cherish the memories of Kobe and what he was able to do for the game. And hopefully what we can also do is find a way to love the people that we haven't been on love too good lately.

You know, how do we do that better, you know, and not miss those moments, you know. And so, you know, life is precious, breath is precious. You know, I thank God every morning I get to wake up and just be able to bring up. breathe, you know, and so, you know, I was a huge Kobe fan, you know, and I think we all were. I forever will be. It's great to seeing you. Yeah, man. You're, you're awesome. I always grateful for you. Joy, I appreciate you too, and one of the best shows on television. Thanks for having me. Russell Wilson. Go Hawks, baby. Go Hawks, baby. Good stuff. Jimmy Johnson's around the corner to every night local police departments across America receive hundreds of calls from burglar alarms.

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You run every party we're at anyway, coach, so you were great last night. Let me ask you, when you took the job at Miami, the hurricanes, so it was a good program. I mean, Howard, it beat Howard Schnellenberger, but it felt like you took it to a different level, and it was polarizing. Did you like being a little bit of a villain?

Well, I don't know that I was a villain. Maybe I was a villain to some of those teams that we beat by about 40 or 50 points. But, I mean, we had fun. Obviously, we had great players. But, you know, when I took over the program, they had graduated nine defensive starters. You know, and so we had to bring in some young players, and we recruited extremely well. You know, obviously, you win a national championship. You're going to recruit good players.

But it just kept getting better and better and better. And I talked to Michael Irvin about it last night. You know, Michael said, you know, a lot of people were criticizing us, and a lot of people were saying that maybe we had too much swagger. and we were too cocky. He said, but coach let us play. He said, coach said, hey, I'll take the heat. You guys have fun and win games.

By the way, I know a lot of former hurricane players. I love them. I mean, from the Ed Reed, the Ray Lewis, Michael Irvin. You know, that was always the myth. Like, it's just renegade. But you had told me before, you guys ran a pretty tight ship. The one thing that they'll all tell you, we were not a highly penalized team.

And I said, listen, you celebrate all you want. You have as much fun as you can have. You know, but don't taunt the opponent. Don't disrespect the opponent. Don't give me a 15-yard penalty. Because, you know, if you give me a 15-yard penalty, you're going to be on the sideline. So, but have fun. Enjoy the game.

So you then get a call from a former college roommate, Jerry Jones, to go to the Dallas Cowboys. Now, in the NFL today, we see all the, college concepts in the NFL. Were you worried that your college concepts wouldn't work in the NFL? No, I knew that we were going to win games. We actually, Bill Parcells talked to me about it. We brought in a coverage there with the Cowboys, Four Cross, and what we call a double switch, a two-invert.

And nobody else in the league was running it. And Parcells told his players, you know, Phil Simpson, he says, hey, they were running that college coverage. And Parcells, you better learn that college coverage because these guys know what they're doing. I talked to Belichick about it just this year. He said, you guys, nobody in the league could figure out what y'all were doing in the secondary. He said there's two or three teams try to run it now. You know, they do the four across, but very few of them really do the two invert the way we played it,

especially with the linebacker involvement. He said, you know, Belichick said, we try to run some of it, but you've got to be totally committed to it. So it was different. And teams had a problem with there. That's why we were number one in the league and defense. By the way, you struggle early in Dallas because you didn't have any players. Right. Was there ever a moment that you didn't think it was going to work?

I think we were just so dumbfounded. First of all, we lost two regular season games in four years. Then we went three and one in preseason. And we said, hey, this is going to be easy. Well, it wasn't easy. But, you know, you look at it, Tom Landry, was one of the greatest coaches of all time. Yet he had had three straight losing seasons.

They were three and 13, so there really wasn't a lot of talent there. And we had to do something to get more talent. But we really, we felt like we're going to win. I mean, even that one in 15 year, I told our guys, I said, listen, I told you at Oklahoma State, hang with me, we're going to win the national championship, which we did at Miami. I said, I'm telling you right now, hang with me. We're going to win a Super Bowl, which we,

eventually won a couple of them. By the way, you can't win without a great quarterback, and you've told me before, Aikman may have been getting beaten up. He went to Oklahoma, transferred to UCLA, but you knew really early he was it. I was in his home when he was a sophomore. In high school. In high school. I tried, and he was going to come to Oklahoma State. And then at the last minute, the last weekend, he changed his mind and went to Oklahoma. So then I went to Miami, and he was talking about it even last night. He said, well, if I had to go to Oklahoma State, you left and went to Miami. You left me there. And then when we played him, we played Oklahoma, we broke his leg. And so I called him again. I said, hey, transferred to Miami. And he went to UCLA. And then the

third time, I said, listen, I'm going to draft you. You can't walk away from it. And it ended up being a great marriage. You're very close today. He'll be one of the speakers, I would imagine, at your Hall of Fame. Yes. And in fact, But, you know, Troy's going to be my presenter and actually do the video at the Hall of Fame. And then Terry Bradshaw is going to actually put the gold jacket on me. So the two of them, two great, great quarterbacks, two Hall of Fame quarterbacks will be involved and put me into the Hall of Fame. Here's the moment when it was announced on Fox. I was watching with my wife.

I got very emotional. I just, it was one of those moments in my life. I've had probably 10 of them, goosebumps moments. Here's Jimmy getting a surprise induct. It's my great honor to tell you that you're going to be the 328th Hall of Famer. Into the Coach Football Hall of Fame. And your legacy is going to be in Canton, Ohio forever. In that moment, what did you think about?

I wasn't breathing. I was shocked. I mean, in fact, my wife Rhonda says, you didn't have any breath, you couldn't speak, because the whole time he was talking to you, you were just dumbfounded and standing there, not breathing. Then I tried to talk and I couldn't talk, and I couldn't talk. I didn't have any air.

You know, it's interesting about this. Jimmy, you could have kept coaching. I talked to you now and you could keep coaching. Did the lifestyle, you worked so hard. Was it burnout? Why did you leave? Well, when I was with the Dolphins, my mother passed away, which was really tragic for me. And then my youngest son was battling some abuse,

problems and was having a rough, rough time. And, you know, when I went to mother's funeral, I just said, you know, my two sons played football. You know, my oldest son played at University of Texas, you know, on a scholarship. I never saw either one of them play a game. And I said, you know, I've missed so much with my family that I need to get with my family and, you know, bring them together. And I will tell you this.

My son, Chad, and his fiancé, they came in last night. My son Brent and his wife, Belinda, they're coming in this afternoon. The relationship that I have with my family right now, my wife, Rhonda, is coming in this weekend, is the best it's ever been. We have a ball. We talk to each other all the time. We visit one another. That never happened when I was coaching.

Because I was a coach that I had to do it all the way. Even after I got out, people said, well, won't you be a consultant? Or why don't you come be a general manager? You don't have to be here all the time. And I said, if my name's on it, I'm going to be working around the clock every day, 12 months out of the year. That's the only way I know how to do it. So it was either all in or all out. Bill Belichick comes down on your boat once a year.

That shows the great respect he has for you. What do you think when you look at Belichick, like people, I'm into coaching, and people told me a long time ago. They said, listen, Jimmy is the personnel guy. Like Jimmy can see players that nobody else can see. And I could argue Belichick hasn't been as good as you in the draft process. But what is it about Bill that you admire? Because he's largely now considered the ace, right? You know, Bill is so good at so many things.

He wears a lot of hats with that organization. He makes the decisions with that organization. What he is good with personnel is picking up free agents. to, you know, players from other teams. And he utilizes those players. He's able to take a player that maybe wasn't that successful with somebody else, but he's got two or three little traits that he likes. And he'll use that player in a certain situation.

I mean, there's a lot of players that really are very successful with Bill Belichick that couldn't play somewhere else. He is just a great, great football coach. By the way, Jason Taylor had his critics. Zach Thomas. What is it? What do you look for? It can't just be combined stuff. Nobody thought Zach Thomas was going to be that. What is it? What is in your eye that you spot that others miss? Well, I was talking to Brett Veach about it yesterday with the Kansas City team. Smart guy. And he was laughing. He said, coach, I use your stuff all the time. And he said,

you're number one. Your number one thing is, you know, hit me in the head with a hammer the next time I take a dumb guy. I want smart players. They get better and better and better. You know, my first four picks at the Dallas Cowboys, all four Academical Americans, Troy Aitman, you know, Daryl Johnston, Mark Zabnowski, Tony Tolbert. They were, you know, smart players, Jason,

you know, a highly intelligent player. The other thing is I want a playmaker. Hey, Jason, Jason had as much an effect on the ball game, winning games. Don't forget about tackles, you know, strips, interceptions, fumble recoveries, running for a touchdown. They're playmakers. The other thing, I want them to be a gym rat.

I want them to love the game. I want them to love competing. I want them to be passionate for it. I want them to be hard workers. And the other thing is, I want them to have character because you can't win with bums. Are great players easier or harder to coach? Easier or harder to coach now?

Is that what you're a great player? Is a great player easier or is it harder to coach? Well, if they're great players, because they work at it. I mean, it's much harder to coach guys that are not real good. But if they're not real good, they're not going to be around very long. You know, you get a great player. I never had to get on to Jason about working hard. I never had to get on to Zach Thomas about preparing for the game.

I never, you know, had to say, hey, guys, you don't pick it up. You know, in fact, I relied on them to set the standard for the other players. You know, those great players, Troy Aikman, he was his harder worker you ever had. I know. And I said this about Zach, and Zach, he belongs in the Hall of Fame. He may be the most coachable player

that I ever had ever in college or pro football. He worked at it. He was at the facility studying tape. That's why he was such a good player. And, you know, I drafted 16 pro bowlers. and if that goes in, they'll give me multiple Hall of Fame players at two different franchises. I think that's why I went into the Hall of Fame as much getting players and drafting players as winning playoff games or Super Bowls.

But it's interesting. All the social media today players can be distracted. Does that make, you know, if you look today and you went right back in, do all the same principles still work? Yeah, I think so. You've got to adjust some. You know, I talked to Andy Reid about it a couple days ago. and you've got to adjust.

The social media thing would bother me. But by the same token, I look at some of the players that have problems with social media, they're the same players that are knuckleheads. I mean, really, I mean, I don't see these smart players getting in trouble on social media. It's usually the knuckleheads, and I think you know who I'm talking about. Right, right. I think I do.

Fair enough. Jimmy Johnson is joining us. So when you watch football, Can you watch and enjoy the game? Are you looking at the hands of the guard? How do you watch a game? I watch games for enjoyment. I watch games for strategy.

You know, how an offensive team is attacking the defense. How the defensive team is attacking, you know, the offense. Any other thing, I think I pay more attention to clock management, the management of the head coach. You know, I've told a lot of head coaches get into a trap of letting their offensive coordinator and their defensive coordinator run the show. And I told many ideas. You know, I've talked about it to a lot of head coaches.

You know, the offensive coordinator, he's there to try to score points. Right. The defense coordinator is there to stop them. Anyway, the head coach's responsibility is to win the game. So that's why, you know, with Dan Quinn, with Atlanta, with the Super Bowl. He's got to put his foot down and say, hey, wait a minute now. You know, hey, we're going to run the ball. We're going to run the ball, and then I'm going to kick a field goal or let them have it.

You know, I'm not going to be throwing the football in that situation. We got the game won. I mean, there's a lot of times that the head coach doesn't step in and say, okay, hey, you run it or tell your defense coordinator, don't blitz down. You know, let's play zone. Let them work it down the field. Let's take time off the clock. You know, let's work our timeouts this way.

That's the head coach's responsibility to, manage the game so that they can win. Jimmy Johnson. Just great seeing you. Absolutely love. Congratulations again. Well, thank you. It was a great emotional moment.

You know, after 40 years of coaching, it's great to be recognized. Yeah. Well, you were by us long before that. Thanks, Jimmy Johnson. Pete Schrager's around the corner. We had beers last night, I'm telling you right now. And still got in before midnight. He's coming up.

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and can't wait for Jason Whiton, the Cowboys legend. We're going to talk some Dak Prescott and Jerry Jones all on speak for yourself. Peter Schreger, Good Morning Football, on the NFL Network joining us from Miami. We went out last night. You know, we slayed it, a lot of beers, you know, whatever. All right, Shreg.

Guys, wait, wait, first off, Colin Coward on South Beach was an experience. Yeah. This guy, people flocking for selfies. Yeah. He's just incredible. and, I mean, the place was melting with just the heat he brought into the restaurant. So you were way ahead of Patrick Mahomes two years ago before he played a game.

You kept telling us, you had video. Take me back to what Brett Veach and Andy Reid told you. You kept saying on NFL kickoff, the next superstar of the league is here. Yeah, and we compared him to Brett Farve and got mocked and ridiculed. And yet here we are. Third year in the league, and I think saying he could be Farv is maybe an understatement. He might be better than Farf. He might be Elway.

This guy might end up being even greater than that. So what I knew was at Texas Tech, Cliff Kingsbury was the head coach. I had a relationship with Kingsbury then. And there was a constant conversation about this kid is more than just a big arm. This kid is the real deal in every type of way, and he has it upstairs. So then he gets to Kansas City. Last year, I did a week three game against the 49ers, ironically. I was the sideline reporter through the production meeting.

Andy Reid pulls me aside and says, I got to tell you something about it. this kid. I know you see all the athletic stuff and the highlight reel and the 70-yard pass. He is as an intellectual and as smart a quarterback I have ever had. And this right now is coming from a guy who had Alex Smith already, a very intellectual quarterback, had Donovan McNabb, had Michael Vic, had some really good thinkers in this league. And he was saying, for whatever reason, it might be photographic memory, it might just be retention skills. He is as good a learner and as good a regurgitator of the offense as he's ever had. Andy Reed, handed him the entire full Andy Reid

playbook and within a year he had mastered it and now you can add another layer and another layer when you add humility and you add the physical gifts and then you add the stuff upstairs Brett Veach and Andy Reid they saw him slipping in that draft and to everyone else it was a reach to go draft him and 10th overall

no no that was they knew that was the steel of the draft and maybe the greatest draft steal since Tom Brady and it's paid off handsomely. John Lynch made multiple calls to Bella check on Jimmy Garoppolo. He kept saying no then there was finally a call he said yes. Go back to the beginning of Jimmy Garapolo.

Do you think Shanahan surprised at all that he's been the winner? He had to carry that team for five weeks this year in the middle of his season. Surprised, is he better than they thought? What does your intel say? This was not a let's go get Jimmy Garapolo situation necessarily. I could tell you that that year in the draft, they had the number two overall pick. They did. Patrick Mahomes is sitting there.

Deshawn Watson sitting there. Trubisky's sitting there. They trade back one and get Solomon Thomas, and they're doing flips over the fact they got Solomon Thomas, and the Bears got Trubisky, and they weren't even thinking quarterback. Kyle Shanahan has since said, and I don't think he's necessarily shied away from it, the thought was we have CJ Bethard, and we've got a couple veteran guys in this room, but Kirk Cousins is going to be a free agent.

And I have a familiarity with Kirk Cousins, and I'm confident enough that if Kirk Cousins is a free agent, we can win with Kirk Cousins. Let's not draft some young franchise quarterback and spoil all that. Well, a few weeks into the season, trade deadline comes around. They were offered a second round pick

for Jimmy Garapolo, a second round pick for a guy that they knew could be that good. They make the trade, and that's with just for just to finish out the year. Not only does he win the final five games of the season, but he convinces Shanahan that he is that good that you could say goodbye to even worrying about cousins.

Let's stick with Jimmy G. I think they do have faith in Jimmy G. and if you talk to those players, and I've talked to a few of them, this week, the constant questions about winning to spite Jimmy Garapolo or a Super Bowl program or a poster that was seen that had Patrick Mahomes on one side and a starting tight end, George Kittle up against him, not the quarterback. The Niners are kind of leaning into that a little bit.

You don't think our quarterback's good enough? There's a nobody believes in him factor. They've rallied around that. They almost like it, and that's what's been fueling them the last couple of weeks. Two quarterback questions, Brady. There's rumors about Vegas. I don't buy them to you. No, I'd be shocked if Brady's not back in New England.

They don't make that thing work. I don't know how much it's going to cost. But you're hearing everything from Tennessee to New England to Las Vegas to even Miami. There was an argument someone made saying, look, and it's an executive that I'm quite friendly with in the league saying, Stephen Ross owns Soul Cycle and he owns Equinox and TB12, all this stuff. You think Giselle would like to live in South Beach? Oh, Brian Flores is there and they have an unlimited salary cap and a million draft picks. maybe Tom Brady goes to Miami

and says, let me build my own thing for once and for all. Arguments can be made for everywhere, including L.A. and Vegas. I think New England, when it comes down to it, Belichick and Mr. Kraft will figure this thing out. I can't imagine Tom Brady in any other uniform than a Patriots one. Brees, 50-50,

what do you lead? Jay Glazers has tied in with that organization and Drew Brees. He's been on this show already this week. He had Cameron Jordan on today. I think Drew Brees is going to be the quarterback if he wants to be the quarterback in New Orleans. Whether or not Drew Breeze wants to come back, I could never

be the one to tell you. That's going to be his decision. But they are by no means pushing Drew Breeze out to get Tayson Hill Inn. And that was a report that some people were making. When you look at Andy Reed, do you sense a pressure on him? Best coach since Vince Lombardi off a buy. But I said this. When you have

a great quarterback, pressure is inevitable. And if you lose a Super Bowl to Gropolo, there will be questions. Is Andy the right guy can't win the big game? Do you think that hovers over Kansas City? You just had Jimmy Johnson on the show, who's got two Super Bowl rings

and took a Miami Dolphins team to the playoffs three years in a row. Two Super Bowl rings and had to wait that long for the Hall of Fame. Andy Reid has been coaching football 24 years at some level. He's got one as an assistant, but he has no Super Bowl rings. And everyone this week is saying

Andy Reid is a shoe-in for the Hall of Fame. He's got all these great wins. These voters value the ring more than anything. There are just three head coaches in NFL history to be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. in the Super Bowl era who did not win a Super Bowl. I think Andy Reid, not for his Hall of Fame status, because I think eventually he will get

in, but I think Andy Reid is a slam dunk Hall of Famer if he wins this weekend. And I think Andy Reid is in that conversation as one of the greatest of all time if he at least gets that one ring. How many general managers or players have texted you today? Could I ask that question? On your phone? Yeah. Look at your, how many people have texted you today on your phone?

It's been a lot. Let me just see. Just do this. appease me. Clay Kate me. There's been 10 or 11 people, executive-wise, talking about everything that draft stuff that you love. You love that.

Honestly. You want Tua talk? We can go Tua. I mean, that's going to be the next three months. Should we save it? Peter Schreger, NFL Network, Fox Sports Insider, great having you. Let's have more beer sometime.

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