The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE W.A.D.E. Concept - Oleksandr Usyk DOMINATED & KO'D Daniel Dubois AGAIN.. Greatest Heavyweight EVER?!

Episode Date: July 21, 2025

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weight division. Now three times undisputed, once it cruiserweight, twice at heavy weight, and I'm feeling the need to say something controversial. Is it recency bias? Maybe, but it's just what I think. It's a crazy statement. Here it comes. I think. Alexander Usik is not only an all-time great. He may be the greatest heavyweight boxer ever. What do I mean? The breakdown, let's go. So like I said, Alexander Usik, Daniel Dubois, just wrapped up two days in Wembley, Stadium. in front of how many, 90,000 people, Du Bois's backyard. Ussick comes over to the UK again, gets the job done, and honestly this time made it look easier than he did the first time.

And he stopped Daniel Du Bois the first fight as well. Obviously, the controversy, low blow, whatever, stopped him with the jab the first time. This time does it even quicker and even easier. And it was really just based on the fact that Ucic is just that good. Daniel Dubois had a good game plan. Listen, they wanted to bully Usik. I did new. That's all you heard all week from Dubois.

He was confident. He was going to create chaos in his words. He was going to come in and wreak havoc, right? Be an unstoppable bulldozer. And he tried. At points in this fight, especially early on, he tried. He tried to get in Usik's face. He tried to rough him up.

He tried to land the right hand and tried to get there with the jab. The problem is Alexander Usik has feet and moving. and timing and distance control that heavyweight maybe has never seen. At least hasn't seen for a very long time. He put Daniel Dubois in a blender in this fight. When Dubois thought he had Usik trapped in corners early on, Usik would hit him with the lead hand, sting him, not just a jab to fine range, but sting him with the jab.

When Dubois thought the time was to throw the right hand and catch Usik slipping, he kind of did. Usik would slip that right hand and bang the left cross behind it and hurt Daniel Dubois in that case as well. Everything Daniel Dubois wanted to do, Usick had an answer for. Throughout the fight. There were moments Daniel Dubois had where he was able to corner Usik and really throw some punches that potentially could hurt him. A right hand here or there. Maybe a shot to the body. Ironically enough, there was another low blow or at least beltline shot, but Usik didn't hit the ground or he didn't wallow around. He just took it and kept fighting.

No, Dubois just did not have an answer for Alexander Usik in this fight. And he really just didn't have the tools for Alexander Usik. And that's the big difference. Usik at heavyweight is showing the real disparity in skill at this weight class. Like Tyson Fury is the next best thing to him. And trust me, those two fights were close. But Usik has figured Tyson Fury out, at least from what I saw in the first fight to the second fight, Usick has his number.

Usik has power in his left hand he walked Fury into. They wanted to move more in the second fight. outboxed him. He outboxed the best heavyweight, actual sized heavyweight boxer there is right now. He dealt with the two biggest power punchers with a little bit of skill at heavyweight so he can

box you when he needs to. He can sit down on his power when he needs to and he has the total package. He had it at Cruiserweight and he's brought it to heavyweight and that's kind of been the meta. I mean Evander Holyfield came from Cruiserweight. He was undisputed there came up. So that has been the meta guys that are smaller that can move

can take advantage of these slow, stagnant, stiff heavyweights, but Ussick's been able to do it in an era with Tyson Fury. Who's the mover? Whose feet move like a cruiserweight, but he's 6-9-270. Usook's like real cool. Hold these two losses. So he's done that, and he's taking care of the big bad wolves at heavyweight, the big punchers, the A.Js, the Dubois.

After Dubois beats A. This, to me, is starting to solidify why he's one of the greatest, if not the greatest heavyweights ever. No, he's not in a heavyweight named dominant era, right? He isn't in the era of Mike Tyson or Lennox Lewis or Evander Holyfield. But when you look at those matchups on paper, Ussick's skill set matches up favorably. Maybe Mike Tyson in his prime with his footwork

and his speed and his explosivity could match up well with Ucic. Maybe Lennox Lewis with the big three. His jab, his right hand, and his left hook could match up well. But you still got to bring your feet. You can't just reach because today Daniel Dubois reached and got taught. What was wrong with all of that? Every time he tried to walk and kind of plot forward on Usik and lunge out with that right hand

and reaching on that front foot, overstepping, unbalanced. Usik would slip outside the right hand and club him with the left one. He dropped him. I think it was in the fourth round with a right hook, set up off the left hand. Dubois hit the canvas. I don't even know if it was the next round.

I've seen so many fights today. But one of the next exchanges they had, he caught DuBois, the big time shot, right hand, dropped him. Dubois got back to his feet. And then Dubois made a terrible mistake. He actually made the same mistake that Anthony Joshua made when Dubois was fighting him. Go back to the Dubois Anthony Joshua fight. Joshua started to trade when he was hurt. When you're out on your feet and you're not making decisions well and your corner's already told you need to be aggressive

and he's already dropped you once and you're not feeling like this is going your way and you're throwing freaking hell Marys and Usik is calm, collected. Swinging that lead arm right out in front of you like it's a freaking elephant trunk and he's fainting and he just drops that nuclear left hand on Dubois. And he even called it, it was a little different than what he normally throws. Usik has three levels of left hand or backhand that he throws. He throws the straight backhand hook. And he calls the, I think he said the Ivan punch,

the chopping overhand left that kind of goes knuckle down, essentially around your guard and sticks right on the temple. He actually caught Dubois on the chin with it. The mouthpiece goes flying and that's all. She wrote, Usik by stoppage. No debate, no controversy, just another dominant win at heavyweight for Alexander Usik. And the question now you have is who can beat him? Who? He's 38 years old. We just saw Mani Pachiao at 46 years old, school in the new school of lower weight class boxers. Usik could potentially do this for two or three more years. You have Joseph Parker who rightfully should

get the next shot at heavyweight. Tyson Fury piped up on Twitter. He wants the trilogy. No one wants to see that. It doesn't make sense to give him the trilogy. It should go to Joseph Parker. You have Kabeel waiting in the wings there. People think he's going to be something special. But I just look at the landscape and I see Ussick beating him all, which is why I came with the crazy take at the start of this video, which was he might be the greatest of all time. If he's not already, he's going to be by the time he retires unless somebody like Jai Opataya comes up and the way Opataya likes to trade, Ussick can probably get him. So I don't know.

I'm making a lot of generalizations and assumptions right now. But if you look through the history of heavyweight boxing, you're not going to find as many movers, at least good footwork, for the size they're at that Usook is. You might look to a Muhammad Ali, for example. And that would be a good matchup. Again, you look to Mike Tyson, who is a speed and explosive move, whereas Usoc is. very relaxed. It's composed and the movement has a purpose,

but it's not super explosive. It almost lulls you to sleep before the cobra strikes, not Carl Frotch. No reference there, Cobra. But yeah, the point is, again, maybe I'm being, maybe it's recency bias. Maybe I'm being a little too generous to Alexander Usik,

but when you are two times undisputed without ever losing, meaning they took your belt off you, just because you didn't defend a mandatory, the guy that won it, you came back after you'd already beaten him, you beat him again and made it look easier the second time when you were the old man, the 38 and all this.

The only issue I can think of is that his era of heavyweight won't be looked at as a great heavyweight era, which will penalize him. But you'll have to go to the 90s to look at a quote-unquote great heavyweight era. And I think that Ussick has the skills and the tools to beat them. You can go to the 80s, the 70s, the 60s. There's not going to be many guys that you can put on that list. And again, bring the Muhammad Ali comparison.

and the Mike Tyson's and the, even the Klitsko brothers, two other great Ukrainians in their prime, or the Lennox Lewis's, like, you're going to have people, the Larry Holmes, you're going to have people that are good at what they do, but Usik almost has every single skill set. He has the feet, he has the power, he has the volume, he has the accuracy, he can set up and deliver, he can fight out the front foot, he can fight off the back foot, he can get stronger as the fight goes on, he can start quick. There are things that make him so, special that I just haven't seen at the heavier weight classes in a very long time. And I don't know if he's getting the credit he deserves because he's not the greatest

talker in English isn't his first language. And he's not very extravagant or flamboyant. But again, maybe I'm just being a bit of a recency bias merchant. Maybe it's not as big a deal as I'm making it. And maybe Usik still has a lot left to prove. I don't see anyone stopping him soon. Joseph Parker's the next guy. Bring him in. I don't think that one goes different. Usik, one. to fight Tyson Fury. I heard him say that name in the ring in a trilogy. Bring that in, I guess. Then Jake Paul decided he was going to pop up and do a face-to-face with Alexander Usik. And then you learn on Twitter after that that it's because Jake wants to fight him in an

MMA match. That might be the only thing that Usik can't be the greatest at at this point. But I don't know anything about that. I don't know why they had Jake face off against Usik. It was a weird look after he defends the undisputed heavyweight championship. But then again, Jake wants to fight AJ and apparently that might actually happen sooner than we think. potentially 2026. I'm doing a video on that tomorrow. But the point is, I just don't know if I see Alexander Usik losing for the foreseeable future. As long as he wants to continue being world champion, I think he will be world champion. Now, you still have to fight the fights and it's a heavyweight. One punch can change everything. Next up should be Joseph Parker. Point blank

period. It should have been him to begin with, but it's now definitely should be him. And I'll see where he goes from there because you have, like I said, Kabiel, you have potentially if Fury and AJ would actually fight like everybody in their mothers in existence want to happen in heavyweight boxing, then you would actually have a reason for Tyson Fury or AJ to get a third fight with Usik. Because as it sits right now, there is no purpose for Usik to do a trilogy with two guys that he already beat twice. He realized how insane that is. He beat everybody and then lapped the division like they were on flat tires and a NASCAR race.

And one of them was Tyson Fury. It was supposed to have been this generation's great heavyweight. Lusick was like, cool, here's my undisputed cruiserweight belts. Don't want that anymore. I want to go up there and take his belts. And Joshua's belts and Dubois's belts. I'll take them all. Thank you.

He's actually incredible. And yeah, it's just insane to see that level of skill at 38, the precision. The fight was never in doubt. He took care of business. And that was a motivated coming off a three-fight win streak, Daniel Dubois. And he just shut him down completely. Listen, Dubois is by no means done. 27 years old, still so young.

But I just don't know if Dubois has the skills right now. He needs to go back to work. I will say this. Again, controversial take maybe. I saw it on Twitter. Turkey Alashake is saying he wants the young prospect, Moses Atalma, to fight Alexander Usik. I say that's a little too early.

But in a year to a year and a half's time, because number one, Atalma has a fight versus Dillion White, I think he wins that fight, but let's get through that. But a year to a year and a half down the line. 21, 22 year old Moses Atama, give him three more fights,

including the Dillian White fight, get him some tough competition, really put him against it. Comes through that, ladies and gentlemen, we have a fight. Because I'm not going to lie, I would love to see Moses of Talma

get fast-tracked, get put, not in easy fights to get him a title fight, but get him in some real competitive fights. Start with Dillian White and move him from there to get him some experience and put him in a position

to potentially be that person. That could footwork for footwork, skill for skill, maybe be the answer to the Ussick problem. But as of right now, there isn't one. And I don't foresee one being the case. Even Moses and Talma, it's a long way away. Right now Ussick rules the roost and maybe it's recency bias, but he might be the greatest, not only of this generation,

but of all time. You disagree? Let me know in the comments down below, but what a performance today? Domination as he knocks out Daniel Dubois for the second time, he's running laps around the heavyweight scene. Who's going to stop him? I don't have that answer. So I guess we'll find out.

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