The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Raiders, and Baker Mayfield

Episode Date: August 9, 2018

Colin discusses the differences between New England Patriots QB Tom Brady and Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers, the possibility of more mistakes being made by the Oakland Raiders, and what to expect from Cleveland Browns QB Baker Mayfield in tonight's preseason game. Guests include Doug Gottlieb, Anthony Lynn, and Terrell Owens. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Keep your car running newer and longer. Joy Taylor is joining me on a Thursday. A bunch of NFL games. tonight, bunch of preseason stuff and a lot of young quarterbacks. Maybe the most interesting must-watch NFL preseason I can ever. Night ever. Yes. That's a great point.

All-time preseason night, tonight's as good as it gets. We're going to get all these young quarterbacks on display, three or four of them tonight and then a couple over the course of the weekend. Let me start with this. Speaking of quarterbacks, we tend to think that talent determines your legacy as a quarterback. And I'm here to tell you, no, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. Personality dictates your legacy as a quarterback. You think Tom Brady and Joe Montana are the two greatest quarterback talents ever? No, they're not. They had the perfect personality

with the coach, the owner, and the GM they work with. Personality will determine your quarterback legacy. Here's a great example. Martellus Bennett. Little Flaky, but I know him and I like him, has played with Brady and Aaron Rogers. And here's what he had to say when comparing Aaron Rogers of the Packers and Tom Brady of the New England Patriots. No one has more armed talent than Aaron. Aaron could do pretty much anything with the ball. Tom is precise, easier to play with.

I'll say it's easier to play with Tom than anybody else. He communicates the best of what he expects the communication between him and receiver. It's probably like on the highest level. Oh. Tom's the better communicator, therefore the better teammate. Is that surprising? Well, let's look at Tom Brady's history.

He comes from a formidable family. When talking about his mother and father, he often cries on camera. He then creates with Giselle, an amazing family, which he lets us watch during a documentary. It's remarkable. For two global icons, it's remarkably grounded.

And then he goes, goes to the NFL for 18 years, Joy, and creates the greatest family in two decades. Kraft, Belichick Brady. You think that's a coincidence. Great family. Still cries about him. Creates a great family. And then creates a great family at work.

Aaron Rogers has squabbled with his brother and squabbled with his parents and is single with no kids. He is the great talent. He is the great individual. Aaron Rogers as Greg CoSell, somebody I trust who watches every play of every game every year, talks about Aaron Rogers and listen to how it sounds like not a teammate but an individual. The reality is when you watch Aaron Rogers and it takes nothing away from his performances over the years, but he's not truly a rhythm player, Colin. He's kind of an offbeat player, an off rhythm player. He's more like a jazz beat. He's a second reaction player.

And very often, there are throws that are there within the rhythm of the play and the timing of the play. And he doesn't make those throws. Now, he might move around and then make another throw, but there are times against really good defenses where that doesn't work. It's tough to be consistent that way against higher-level defenses. Well, isn't that interesting? Martellis Bennett and Greg Kosell saying the same thing. Oh, he's a remarkable talent, but he's sort of a solo act, an individual often in crisis. when you think of Aaron Rogers, you think of Hail Marys, Jared Cookthrow,

you think of individually amazing moments. When you think of Tom Brady, you think of podiums, owner, coach, family, driving fourth quarter, winning drive with marginal wide receiver talent. This is not a coincidence. When you think of Brett Farrve, high-risk quarterback, Go read a book about him. Big risk taker, party animal early. Alex Smith.

Lower ceiling. Dependable guy. Lower ceiling, dependable quarterback. Go look at the history of the NFL. Talent did not determine Troy Aikman or Peyton Manning. There had been bigger, stronger, faster, better arms. It was their individual passion and commitment and detail that elevated them to two of the five, six best

quarterbacks I've ever seen play in my life. We get so caught up. Think about this. Think about two people, Cam Newton and Jay Cutler. Those are two of the best five arms in the last decade. But Cam Newton and Jay Cutler are moody people. Well, what does Moody mean? It means your personality is inconsistent.

I don't know what I get. You know, my girlfriend's moody. Meaning when you walk through the doors at the house or the apartment, you're not sure what you get as a personality. She says, I'm my boyfriend so moody. She walks through the door of the house, the condo. She's not sure what she gets with a personality. Cam and Cutler are moody personalities.

And they're inconsistent quarterbacks. Week, quarter, or half. You don't know what you get with Cam. You don't know what walks through the door with Jay Cutler. It is not a coincidence that Tom Brady, great family, then created a great family, and then created a great NFL family. And Aaron Rogers, single, no kids, squabbled with family, is the great artist.

Hollywood is filled with great artists. Often have struggled with family, but they're talented. We get so caught up in talent. That does not determine your quarterback legacy. Your personality will. Great stuff by Martellus Bennett. I tell my kids, let's shift gears. I tell my kids this all the time,

is that I can't predict the future, like 20, 30 years, but I'm pretty good at predicting my business for the next 10. I don't make 20-year game plans. I mean, things could happen. I could have health issues, the world changes, media day-to-day. But I tell my kids all the time, I can kind of figure out what's going to happen the next five or 10 years in my business. Beyond that, who knows?

You know, 15 years ago, there's no Netflix. It's changed TV. But I can tell you five years ago, watch out for Netflix. Here they come. And so I tell my kids all the time, the world doesn't need another sociology major. Find a passion, but I can tell you that. The world doesn't need that. So I saw this story.

The Raiders are now warming up to the possibility of trading Khalil Mack. And I have mostly blamed Gruden and the Raiders for this. but it should be mentioned that Aaron Donald of the Rams defensive tackle wants $25 million a year. That's what Tom Brady makes. Earl Thomas Safety for the Seattle Seahawks. I'm not talking to Pete Carroll or John Snyder, the GM. Defensive players, jobs all over the globe become more and less relevant all the time. Being stubborn is an awful personality.

trait because the world's changing. And, dog, if you're not changing with it, it's passing you by. Nobody's bigger than a culture. Kareem Abdul Jabbar would not have been as effective as the best score I ever saw in basketball if he played today. They'd say, Kareem, can you

shoot a three? No. All right. Hit the bench. Fourth quarter, eight minutes to go. No man's bigger than a culture. You can create a microculture within a bigger culture. I can have a brand within a company with a big brand, but I'm not bigger than a culture. Okay, defensive players, NFL, hello, the world's changing.

Call your teams, talk to your agents. You're not as valuable today. Two of the top five scoring defenses in the NFL met in the Super Bowl, Philadelphia, New England. They punted once in four hours, 800 passing yards. Nick Foles looked like John Elway. Nobody can stop anybody. You've got to be available to people. based on the urgency and the need of your job.

You see it in the movie business all the time now. I can watch stuff at home. The only way you're getting me to a theater, I want to get a cocktail, I want some decent food, I want a better seat, I want it to recline, or I'm not going to the movies. If I had told you 30 years ago, yeah, like you won't want to go to the movies. You'll just stay home and watch TV. You'll be like, hey, that's crazy.

They got a big screen. I get these stars. Oh, now I can watch on my terms at home? I mean, I can watch 10 hours of straight TV and binge watch. Okay, movie theaters have had to change. Give me a cocktail. Give me a recliner. I want to walk in.

I want a restaurant. I want to get it. You got to give me more. You can't jam me next to somebody. Like every business evolves. Some, like the one I'm in, evolves quickly. We have seen two rules. In the past couple of months changed in the NFL,

and their defensive player killers, catch rule. For the last 15 years, not a catch, not a catch, not a catch, not a catch, not a catch. This year, that's catch, that's a catch, that's a catch, that's a catch, that's a catch. That's bad for defensive players. The other rule is helmet rule. Okay. Flag, flag, flag, flag, flag, flag. Automatic first down, player ejection.

That's an anti-defensive rule. these defensive guys, Aaron Donald, Khalil Mack, Earl Thomas, dude, the world's changing. Newspaper people can't demand a raise now. It's 2018. In the 70s, newspaper guy goes in, there's no cable television. I am the voice of the community. Newspaper guy now walks into his boss and says,

please don't fire me. Just keep me for two more years. I've got a kid in college. NFL players in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, you were the man. But increasingly over the last, last decade, J.J. Watt gets hurt. Who cares two years ago. Texans make the playoffs.

Indomac and Sue, unbelievable, highest paid defensive player. Dolphins can't win with him. Aaron Donald didn't do anything with the Rams until they got McVeigh and golf. Now Aaron Donald, he's winning a bunch of games. When they didn't have the coach right and the quarterback right, Aaron Donald wasn't winning games.

Here are the highest paid defensive players in the NFL last year. Yeah, yeah. Notice how many of those guys made the playoffs? Not many of them. Well, Colin, what about Fletcher Cox? Yeah, I'm going to go with the Eagles were loaded everywhere. Nothing against Fletcher Cox?

But, man, you've got to evolve on this stuff. These defensive players putting a line in the sand. I will not. I cannot. This is what I want. Not the way the world works. Rule changes. Stubborn is a really, really bad personality trait.

The world's changing. Change with it. Wake up. Coming up next, it is the most interesting night of preseason football that Joey and I can ever remember. And I'm going to tell you the guy to look out for,

and it's not the guy you think. I'll tell you the guy to keep your eye on because he, at quarterback, could change the league. And it's not the guy you're thinking of. That's coming up next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHard Radio app. Work for good sportsmanship. Fans of Hyundai's new Shopper Assurance Program, flexible test driving, transparent pricing, streamlined purchasing, learn today more HyundaiUSA.com slash shopper assurance. All right, so tonight, Joy mentioned this earlier, and I think it's a sation point,

that as pre-seasons go, we all know that week three is when starters play about half the game. But by and large, pre-season football, It's sort of like college football's first couple of weeks when it's like Alabama against Panera bread. You know, you're like, it's on. All right. Tonight's rare.

They got a bunch of young quarterbacks. It's very exciting. Baker Mayfield is going to be the most interesting to a majority of people. I get it. I'm interested. I want to watch him. This will be a lot of fun. I think he'll be fine.

I think he is an accurate thrower. I like his release point. I think he's going to be a very accurate thrower. I think his ceiling is case Keenham. His ceiling is not drew. Breeze like everybody else thinks, but he's going to get a lot of attention. All right, then there's Lamar Jackson, who I've said from the beginning is a project, not a prospect.

Baker could start this year at some point and win a game or two and be ready and feel like at the line of scrimmage, he's ready to go. Lamar Jackson's playing tonight. We saw it in the first game. I think we'll see it again. Plays a little fast, better runner than a thrower. Mostly looks to the right side, not to the left side. He is a project.

I don't think he's ready to start at any point this year in the NFL. He may. November, Raven struggling. Schedule gets tougher. Fans going crazy. The Tebow effect, not ready, but put him in. So those are the two quarterbacks getting a lot of attention tonight. And here is the schedule tonight.

Here's the four games that I think people should pay attention to. Cleveland Giants Baker, Carolina Buffalo, Josh Allen, who, again, like Lamar, I think, is a project, not a prospect. I don't think he's ready to start. Rams, Ravens, Lamar Jackson. But that Houston, Kansas City game, folks, that's the game. And it's not going to get as much love as the Colts tomorrow, the Seahawks, the Niners, the Cowboys, Baker Mayfield. The guy that's actually you should have your eye on. Because remember, most of these young quarterbacks are going into situations where the team is bad, the roster is bad.

Sam Darnold, the Jets roster is bad. Offensive lines pathetic. Baker Mayfield, Cleveland, bad, dysfunctional. Josh Rose and Arizona. They're kind of in a rebuilding mode on offense. Lamar Jackson, Baltimore. There's a reason they draft the quarterback. Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City is different.

Patrick Mahomes got to sit last year and watch. Perfect. He comes into the league with a high-end, often brilliant, offensive schematic coach, Andy Reed. And their personnel, it is money. That is a loaded roster with amazing weapons on offense. Kareem Hunt, Travis Kelsey, Tyreek Hill. You got stars, track guys, back, star receiver, slot guy.

Okay, that's the guy to watch. This guy, everybody else, think about this. Who are the young quarterbacks we like? Okay, they're Jared Goff, offensive coach. Dak Prescott, offensive coach. Carson Wentz, offensive coach. Most of these young quarterbacks are going to defensive coaches. Sam Darnold's head coach defense.

Josh Rosen's defense. Josh Allen's defense, Lamar Jackson's defense. Patrick Mahomes are the Chiefs. If he fails, it's on him. No excuses. He got to sit for a year. He has a brilliant offensive coach. He's got a stable organization, and they got talent on offense everywhere.

Nobody's going to talk about him tomorrow except us. You're going to talk about Baker and Lamar and the Cowboys. This is the young kid to watch. I predicted Kansas City would go 9 and 7 this year because I have no idea. They got the coach, they got the personnel. That to me is 8 and 8, 9 and 7. This team, if this kid comes out and is a rock star,

you're going to have a team that I can put in the class of New England and Pittsburgh in the AFC. Donald can't do it this year. Baker can't do it this year. Josh Allen can't do it this year. Josh Rosen can't do it this year. Lamar Jackson can't do that this year. This is the kid. He's got the coach and the personnel in the stability.

If he comes out tonight and is a rock star, New England, Pittsburgh, and Kansas City, watch him tonight. Joy Taylor, the News. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. So, Dak Prescott has a host of new faces at the past catching positions. Not a lot of quarterbacks have to go through this much turnover receiver, especially

in their third season. Right. So an NFL network interview, Kurt Warner asked Dak, who his go-to, receiver is this season. For me, it's Cole Beasley, and I think it's been that way. I mean, I know it's that way my rookie year, and last year we were on the same page sometimes and sometimes we weren't, but he's a guy that's hard to cover. He's hard to cover man to man, he's hard to cover his own, and he can stretch the defense as

well. So it's about moving him around, making the defense respect that the fact that he can go over the top, he can beat you over the top. And then once we open that up, he's hard to cover underneath, and that's his game. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I'm not going to lie. I don't think Cole Beasley is really a go-to guy. I think he's your three. You know what I think it is?

Jason went and retired. Des Bryant isn't there. Ryan Switzer was traded and Bryce Butler left in free agency. So Cole Beasley is the guy he's most comfortable with. Yeah, well, he's the one guy that he'll recognize in the locker room. Exactly. He may be the only guy he's comfortable with, really, is why he's saying that. But I still contend it is not as bad as everybody is saying.

The sky is falling. What they have is they have a bunch of B-minus guys. but if you have a collection of B-minus guys, you're okay. I would rather have a collection of B-minus guys than superstar and guys that can't catch. I can deal with a bunch of Beasley's, Alan Hearns. By the way, Terrence Williams, I can deal with a bunch of B-minus guys. I'm not as concerned as everyone else is.

I don't think that Cole Beasley is a number one receiver. Yeah. But it's just going to be a different Dallas this year. Everyone's forgetting how many different moving pieces contributed to Dallas not making the playoffs last year. It wasn't just Dak Prescott and Des Bryant. Zecchio Elliott had a personal conduct case hanging over the team. In camp.

First week of camp, yes, through the entire season. See, I think a lot of that stuff, I think between that and Dez, I think it's a much less chaotic year. Sean Lee was injured. There's a lot of factors. I think it's a much less chaotic year. They may be less talented in certain spots, but nothing implicated.

clothes a football team. People overcome injuries all the time. I mean, God, Gronk got hurt in the AFC championship game. New England played the second half without him. They were fine. By the Philadelphia Eagles, lost Carson Wentz, won a Super Bowl. They were fine. Injuries doesn't derail a team. No, dysfunction does.

Chaos. Yeah. Disrails a team. So Todd Gurley is coming off his career best season with the Rams preseason opener tonight against the Ravens. Gurley has expressed he would prefer not to take the field in any of the four preseason games, which we said. For me, I definitely wouldn't want to play in the butt.

Like I said, it's what it is. It is what it is. It's football. You go out there, you play ball. And I'd probably rather do the preseason, honestly, because they try to make you do like 12-100s instead, which is crazy. So sometimes it's better to just play in the game, honestly. I mean, not to pick apart his words, but it sounds like he's picking his poison there, playing in the game, or doing extra workouts. although I've done 12-100s before.

It's not that fun. What can I learn about Todd Gurley? Nothing. Nothing. And stars shouldn't play in the preseason. And I really don't feel like there should be this many preseason games. Remember last preseason, Julian Edelman tore is ACL. Odell injured his ankle.

And Cameron Meredith Torres ACL and MCL. Well, we have Anthony Lynn coach of the Chargers. They've already lost two guys in camp. I mean, it's like... Well, I mean, you have to have training camp. You've got to have some preseason games. I'm not saying go into the season cold. But there's nothing that Todd Gurley is going to gain from playing any type of significant time in the preseason.

You know what Todd Gurley is. Finally, Kauai Leonard. So he has finally made his first public comments since requesting a trade from the Spurs and landing with the Raptors. He put out a statement. He wrote, I have been going back and forth the last few weeks trying to figure out the right things to say. And it comes down to two simple words. Thank you. My family and I want to say thank you to the entire Spurs organization.

and fans of San Antonio. Thank you to everyone of my teammates I've played with over the seven years in the NBA. Thank you, Pop. I'll always be grateful for my growth under your guidance. Thanks to the fans. There's not a more passionate and dedicated fan base than I've witnessed in San Antonio. You're all ups and downs. I'm glad there are many more ups.

I'll never forget we have shared accomplished together while I'm looking forward to the next chapter of my career. I always remember the city and the people of San Antonio. Thank you, Kauai Leonard. And then he signed it with the claw. I have a question. Yes. Is that claw a new thing? No.

he's been doing that for how long? Well, I mean, that's been his nickname. No, I mean, but that, that logo. No, no, no, that's his thing. How long has he had that thing? Since the 2014 finals. Okay, that's a really great logo. It really is.

We should have added that to his shoe. Honestly. To the stuff. I don't know if I buy, you know, whatever. Listen, it's a divorce. Whenever you get a public divorce, Westbrook and Durant, it's always pissy, isn't it? I mean, he did ask for a trade and it was bad situation, yes.

But it's a nice thing to do. I always think it's a nice gesture for however bad the situation gets for a guy to just put out something that says thank you, at least to the fans. You don't have to go into the whole organization and everything else if you don't want to. But I think it means something to the fans to thank them for supporting you. And even if there's still bad blood there, it just shows that you recognize that people actually rooted for you and now they're not going to anymore. You'll get booed a little less when you come. come back to play. Yeah, but I mean, I think it's about booing.

Like, at the end of the day, I think these guys, when you move on, it's a business, right? And it can't get messy, like you said, it's a divorce. But at the end of the day, I think they really do appreciate the fan base and people supporting them. You know, they understand that that's going to be a part of their legacy. And it was a part of their time in the NBA. I mean, you won championship. Good stuff. Joy Taylor with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. You know, there's a bunch of things going on. I want to throw this out there because I, I think it is interesting. This is a report that has come down that the New York Jets, and this is not a small story, this is a real thing.

The New York Jets are open to trading Teddy Bridgewater. Now, Bridgewater, in my opinion, is good enough to start in this league. I compare him to Alex Smith. I think he's smart, semi-athletic, efficient, coachable as heck, but not a big guy that's going to push the ball down the field. But he's good enough to be the best backup in the league. a lower-end starter. This is, I think, what the Jets should do.

The Jets have the 31st ranked the offensive line in the NFL. It's hot garbage. Sam Darnold's the future. We know that. And we know that Josh McCown is probably the best backup slash mentor in the league. That's what you should

maintain going forward. Bridgewater now is just an asset. If you're the Jets, play Teddy Bridgewater tonight. play them next week, play them the next week, show off Teddy Bridgewater against Vanilla defenses. What the Jets could do, and this is really important, this is a great time of the year for a quarterback who's been in the league who's talented, because they're going to look good in these preseason games.

So I like the idea of getting draft picks, offensive line help for Teddy Bridgewater. The future's Darnold, and I would say the future is also Josh McCown as a mentor to Darnold. With that, nine and seven in his first year. coaching the Chargers, Anthony Lynn via the Coward Global Satellite Network is joining us. You know, coach, you've been in the NFL for 18 years, coach, mostly a running backs guy, you know offensive personnel. And it's interesting. We now

have a catch rule that's been changed. We now have a helmet rule, coach, that has been changed. How are you addressing these rules with your team and how they will change the game this year? I think you're talking about the helmet rule and the catch rule. Well, the catch rule is very simple.

We're going to take two moves, two steps in a football move. Guys are kind of used to that, and that's what we always thought was a catch anyway. So I think that was a nice change. The helmet rule, that's going to take some time. You know, we're emphasizing every day in practice, head up, knees bent, flat back. But we've got to keep the head up, Colin. It's just for player safety. And we're not trying to make the game less physical, just trying to make the game a little safer.

But you've got to work it. You've got to emphasize it because there's a generation of athletes that they've always striked with the crown with the helmet, and we're just trying to get that out of the game. You know, Anthony, it's interesting. You have a quarterback, Philip Rivers. You're one of the lucky coaches. You have a really good quarterback. You cannot win in this league without a quarterback.

Herm Edwards always tells me, you know, if Chad Pennington stays healthy, I wouldn't be a broadcaster. I'd still be coaching. You are one of the coaches that's got a quarterback. But Philip. Yeah, Philip Rivers has said, though, I'm not playing to 45. When will you, when will you know, Anthony? We got to draft a quarterback and get a plan going.

I couldn't hear everything you were saying, but I know you were talking about having a good quarterback. I do think everyone is trying to have a good quarterback, but I think good teams win championships. If you look at the Super Bowl winners over the last decade or so, you know, everybody hadn't been a Hall of Fame quarterback, but good football teams win championships, but good quarterback certainly helps. When do you address Philip Rivers going forward? You know he's good now, but will there be a moment for you when you sit there. down with your front office and owner and say, okay, we've got to draft the next guy and develop

him. When are you going to get to that point? Will you see something or know it? You know, Colin, if we had you were in our draft room this year. Yeah. If there was a quarterback there that we thought was the future, then, you know, there were some good guys in the league,

but we had other needs that we needed to address because our quarterback right now, he's 37 years old, but to me, he's playing like a 32-year-old. You know, he's had an awesome camp. He's in great shape. We just didn't feel the need to address that right now.

And we don't know if we don't already have that on our team. We have a young Cordell Stewart. He was only undefeated in college. He only won a national championship. Now, he's been given an opportunity to this training camp. You know, a Gino Smith who came in this league. I had him with the Jets. The guy had five come back from behind wins as a rookie quarterback in the winning season.

You know, and then he fell off, he got off tracks, but we got him back on track, and we'll see if he can help us win. some football games if something happens in Phillip. But we don't know if we don't have that guy on a team already, to be honest with you. Anthony Lynn joining us. Anthony, we're seeing something in the NFL. There's rule changes.

And the rule changes are mostly benefiting offensive players. The catch rule now will benefit offensive players. The helmet rule, that's tough on defensive players. You've got stars on both sides of the ball. You've got a star running back, a star pass rusher. Going forward, where does a team spend its money now in the NFL? Colin, the last thing I heard you was talking about the Hammond rule benefiting more of the offense than the defense. I will say this, I think that's going to work both ways.

And I've talked to these offense, these ball carriers. We have to run the football, whether you're a receiver, tight-in, running back, or quarterback scrambling, heads got to be up. They're looking to call that on the offense this year. Because like you said, people think the rule benefits office, but it really does it. You look at how many runners right now strike with the crown of their helmet when they have to go get that one yard or that extra yard or when they're running in traffic. And my running in particular is a real physical runner,

and that's his running style. So it's been a challenge getting him this training camp to keep it head up running the football. You know, you were a running back in the NFL and you've coached running backs. You have always been a guy that appreciates the running back position. There's two schools of thought. Have a star like Todd Gurley

or have running back by committee because they often get injured? Which school of thought do you believe? Star running back are multiple running backs? I heard the early part of your conversation of your question, but I can't hear of the last part. But I think you were talking about my style at the running back position, if I want to go with one bell cow or a tandem back field. I believe that's where you're going with that.

And I like the tandem back field. If you can attack a defense with two guys, then why not do that? instead of one. You know, I've played in that back field where one guy carried the load. You know, say Terrell Davis back in Denver, he would have 400 carries at the end of the season. And maybe 400 good touches. But if you had two of those and the guy was tacking you and you was fresh the whole time, you know, I just think what Carolina did with DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart, I thought that was outstanding. And I think that's why you see more people doing that today. Nine and seven in his first year with the Chargers, Anthony Lynn. Finally, Anthony, you've had a couple of injuries in camp.

What is the line between having a tough camp and a camp where it's tough, but you protect players? It's very difficult. Sometimes injuries come out of nowhere. What is your kind of feeling going into camp? You want healthy guys, but you want to build up those calluses for the regular season? Well, that's a great question because our football team, we know we have to play more physical. You know, there's a lot of things that change in the game of football. But at the end of the day, most physical teams usually win.

And we're emphasizing a physical mindset. We can't go out here and beat the hell out of each other every day. We can't do that. We'll never make it to the regular season. But it's a mindset, and it's emphasized over and over. And I think when you keep emphasizing and you keep coaching it, I think you get it. But don't get me wrong. We do go out here, and we do get out to each other's ass a little bit.

But we just can't do that every single day. Finally, Shannon Sharp works at Fox Sports 1. told me today, he goes, you know, Anthony Lynn made the Denver Broncos because of me. That's what Shannon Sharp told me this morning. Can you tell me the story? Is that true? You know what? I can't say completely because of him, but there's a little truth to that. I was his backup at special teams and tight end. And Shannon at that time was coming out of his rookie shell and he was becoming an NFL tight end. And he knew that.

He was going to be the start of that year. So in the special teams meeting, he stood up and challenged the special teams coordinator and said, if you want the number one special teams in this league, then you better get me off and put my backup in. And that's exactly what Richard Smith did, my linebacker coach. And so that did happen in the meeting. And I cannot believe he stood up in that meeting and said that.

Anthony, good luck to you in the Chargers, nine and seven first year. I pick you to win the division. good luck to you, coach. Thanks a lot, Colin. Appreciate it. You bet. By the way, in his division, the Raiders,

okay, Raiders, I loved you two years ago, but I got another story on the Raiders, and it leaves me scratching my head. That's coming up next in the herd. By the way, T.O. is on the show in one hour. Terrell Owen said he'll be on our show and our show only in America today.

His first speech since his Hall of Fame snub, which I did not like, by the way. I've defended him many times. I've said, listen, he's not my kind of guy sometimes. He's high maintenance and needy, but he and Randy Moss are two of the top three receivers I've ever seen play. They both played for five teams. They both had some

baggage, and their stats are very similar. But when Randy went to the Hall of Fame, this past weekend, he looked big and humble and appreciative. And when Tio went to Chattanooga, he looked small and petty. And frankly, to me, it looked weak. And so I think the last impression of I have a Randy Moss in football is this amazing

Hall of Fame moment. And my last impression of T.O. in football is going to a local school, taking shots at critics and punching down. I don't like it. So he's going to come on the show in an hour. He called us and said, I'll go on the herd, and he'll probably yell at me. But that's okay. Last time he came on the couch, we went back and forth.

I appreciated it. I don't have to agree with people. I've said before, he's an all-time talent, and I don't believe that everybody has to show up to Hall of Fame. That I don't believe in. There's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. David Bowie didn't show up. Kiss didn't show up.

A lot of people missed their Hall of Fame. I didn't like the way he did it. He was trying to make a point, and the bigger point would have been, I'm all-time great stuff. I want my impression, my lasting memory to be. I'm big. I'm a Hall of Fame. I'm T.O.

Go on stage and have a crazy speech. Go on stage and pull out a Sharpie and write something funny. Be a personality. That's what you are. Instead, you shrank in Chattanooga. I didn't like it. He's coming on the show in one hour. All right.

I say this all the time. When it comes to surgeons, stockbrokers, and sportscasters, you should want them to change their opinion with new information. If your son or daughter was dying and the surgeon says, I just read something in the New England Medical Journal that I think can save their life, Would you say, no, stick with the old way? Or would you say, try the new thing? If your stockbroker said, I've got new information, sell that stock, would you say, no, no, no, I don't want the new information?

And with the sportscaster, my job is to read and react. That's what I do every day. I'm a reader and a reactor. When I get new information, I pass it along to you. I'm not stubborn and stick with stuff. So the Raiders two years ago, I really liked them. And this year, I don't like them. And everybody's like, well, I thought you loved the Raiders.

You got a new coach. You got a coach that was out of the sport for 10 years. Reggie McKenzie now does not have a 10-year contract. The GM, I like. Your coach does. And I think your coach is going to make all the calls. I saw this story today. Raiders want their Pro Bowl left tackle Donald Penn to take a pay cut.

Oh, boy. Left tackle matters. Donald Penn's good. So let's go back and look at the reasons. I was on the Raiders and I'm not. You come in and you cut your punter Marquette King, Pro Bowler. favorite. Then you draft a punter. Who drafts a punter? You get ripped if you draft a kicker and they score. Who drafts a punter? Then you trade a third round pick for Martavis Bryant of the Steelers.

He's had a disastrous camp. You need draft picks, not receivers who are struggling to figure out the playbook, which according to the stories is true. You've already got the worst stadium deal. You've already got the worst poorest owner. You've already got a lame down. You've already got a lame Duck situation where you literally don't know where you're playing next year. Then in the first round, you pick Colton Miller from UCLA, who I saw play 10 times last year. He's good. Not a first rounder. It was a reach.

You've had several players say, yeah, John brings in 1970 film to look at. Okay. Why would you want your sportscaster, your surgeon, or your stockbroker, to not read and react? I'm not going to stick to opinions when information changes. Now, every Tuesday during the football season, I do something called the Herd hierarchy. This year, a one-time deal, I introduced the Herd dumpster firearchy. And these are teams that feel like they're in a dumpster with gasoline and old, crusty newspapers, and they're just a match away from lighting.

Here's my top 10, Raiders. When's the last time there was good news at a Raider camp with Gruden? Number two, Buccaneers. They don't have James Winston for three weeks. Number three, the Lions. Patriot coordinators often implode and implode early as head coaches. Matt Patricia, good luck. For the Ravens.

I'm sorry. I think there's a T-Boe thing happening where Lamar Jackson's not ready to start this year, and he's eventually, through Flacco's mediocrity, going to be pushed into a starting role this year. Number five, Carolina. They've already lost two offensive linemen. You've got a former receiver taking shots at Cam Newton. Cam Newton's got a new offensive coordinator.

Norv Turner that's pretty demanding on precision. Cam's not precise. I always think Cam's had better talent than everybody wants to admit. They're number five. Number six and number seven of the Dolphins Bears. I just put them on this list every year because of the dolphins and the bears. Number eight, Seattle. Pete Carroll's in the last year of a contract.

We just had Marshawn Lynch call him out. Cliff Averill came on our show two months ago and called out Pete. This was a very loud, often political player-enabling locker room. It's now turning on its side. Number nine, the Jaguars. Now they've got to play Andrew Luck twice a year. He was gone last year. Now they got to play Deshawn Watson twice a year.

He was gone last year. My guess is they go 0 and 4 against DeShon Watson and Andrew Luck, one in three or 0 and 4. And by November, Tom Coughlin's telling the head coach, we got to get another quarterback. This Blake Portles thing is not going to work. Blake Bortles, in my opinion, the fourth best quarterback in a division. And they've got about a two-year window with those defensive players and contracts to make it big. and I think you're going to have controversy in Jacksonville by November.

And finally, Denver, a great franchise. I've always called them the Steelers in a mountain range. Formidable, good ownership, good coaches, good GMs, they draft well. But that's increasingly a tough division. John Elway is very impatient. Case Keenham looked great for the first time in his career because, I don't know, Minnesota's loaded and they had a great coaching staff. Case Keenom's going to go to Denver and I think looked like, you know,

Case Keenham and there's going to be some pressure. But number one on that list is the Raiders. I'm not anti-Rater. I was pro a couple years ago. Jack Del Rio loved me. Derek Carr came on the show. Raider Nation like me because you had a GM who was doing really smart things. He was drafting well.

They were signing free agents for the right number. You had the owner. You had the GM. You had the quarterback. Now I got a coach with a 10-year deal. he's been out of the sport for 10 years. The punter, the draft picks, Martavis Bryant. I don't like it.

By the way, you know, when people ever, people say, Colin, Colin, you flip-flop. You know so, you know what else flip-flops, Joy? GPS. You ever use a GPS? It flip-flops. So like when there's a mattress on the freeway, GPS is like, yeah, take the exit before the mattress. Yeah, you got to have ways out here. You have ways?

Yeah. Ways, GPS. They flip-flop all the time. Guy that doesn't want flip-flopping. So when you're driving down the freeway and there's an overturned 18 wheeler, do you not use GPS in Ways when they say, warning, take an exit, or you're like, hey, I don't flip-flop. This is how I'm going to work. This is how I've always gone to where. I don't want any new information.

Well, you know what it is? It's when you say that you like a team. You're all of a sudden a fan of that team. And fans are supposed to stay fans of the team no matter what's going on. I'm not a fan of any of these teams. I'm not a fan of the team. It's not my job. It's your responsibility to be interesting.

If I don't talk about you, that's a you problem. You're not interesting. Be interesting. Okay, Doug Gottlieb. Terrell Owens is going to yell at me next hour. We are loaded. In L.A., it's The Herd. This is The Herd.

Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, live in Los Angeles, Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me today in a Thursday. We have the best preseason. night in the history of the NFL, at least in the last few years. Got a bunch of Baker-Mayfield playing, Patrick Mahomes playing. I get Lamar Jackson playing, Josh Allen playing, a bunch of these young quarterback, got the Cowboys playing.

And you have no idea what to expect. No idea what to expect. Here's what I can guarantee you, though. Here's a story today. NFL referee Brad Allen, quote, we're going to air on the side of calling helmet penalties in preseason. because we want to get it right by the time we get to the season. In the preseason, we want to err on the side of putting the flag on the ground and then evaluate it if it's correct.

Well, we all know that Twitter outrage is an epidemic in the United States. Every day people go to Twitter and say the world is ending, and of course it's not ending. It's only an epidemic on Twitter, which is mostly where irrelevant people go to try to become relevant. They overreact to everything. So let me do a segment called Tonight's Tweets Today. I'm going to predict what you're going to see on Twitter in about six hours.

Here's the first one from Sky is Falling Guy. At Sky is Falling Guy. The NFL is unwatchable. All right. Our next tweet, tonight's tweets today is from at Definitely Still Watching Guy. I'll never watch the NFL again. helmet rule no good tonight's tweets today here's the next one you'll see from at conspiracy theory guy football is ruined forever and finally tonight's tweets today from at way too tough guy

afl soft says a fat guy in his basement afl soft you ever been hit by lukekely i don't think it's that soft. The refs are telling you, they're going to throw flags tonight. They're going to over officiate. They want to get it right for the regular season. But that's

going to be Twitter tonight. 100%. Unbelievable. Doug Gottlieb in about three or four minutes. I want to go to this. Andre Iguidala. Iggy's a good player for the Warriors. Yesterday, he said, Kevin Durant is the most talented score of all time.

not the best player, not the most dominant player. He said he's the most talented score all time, said Igwadala. Hands down. He's a walking 30 points. He'll get 30 points on 12 shots. Hard to do, very efficient. Most guys need to feel the ball in their hands a lot to get a rhythm. He doesn't.

Let's do some name association. When I say airlines, what do you think of? I think of Delta, Southwest, United. When I say coffee, I think of Starbucks, Dunkin' Donuts, Pete's. When I say scores, Andrea Igwitall is saying scores, there's five people I think of. Word association. When you say greatest scores, I think of Wilt. He scored 100.

He scored 80 multiple times, 70 a dozen times. Wilt was the single greatest physical force in the history of the league. I think of Jabbar, who had the single most difficult perfected shot to stop the skyhook. I think of Michael Jordan, the single most relentless offensive player I've ever seen. I didn't think of Kobe Bryant, who was always the closest thing to Michael ever, and in my opinion, the most artistic score of all time. Michael came down, had four patented moves. Kobe came down, the canvas was blank.

He spilled a lot of paint, but he was the most artistic score ever. And the fifth guy is Steph Curry. He literally changed the game. He eliminated centers. If you're seven feet tall, learn to hit a jumper or you're Dwight Howard. You'll be traded for the third time in four years. But here's what's funny. Word association with Kevin Durant.

Passive. Non-alpha. Sensitive. Here's the downside to responding on Twitter to random. guys, it's diluting his brand. He's punching down all the time. When I just think of airline, Delta, Southwest, United, when I think of hotels, I can go Marriott, four seasons, motel six,

I have brands and layers. When I think of scores, I think of the great force, the great shot, Mr. Relentless, the most artistic, change the game three-point guy. Kevin Durant's word association brand to me is getting diluted. I don't think the mobility hurts him. LeBron's moved all over the place. I think of LeBron. I think of greatest current player.

I think of Durant. I don't care about his mobility. But I will say this. He is a great score. But I put Curry over him because his brand is basketball, not non-alpha, not sensitive, not passive. Those are maybe great. great qualities to have as a human.

But if you're talking about basketball and branding, Michael wasn't the greatest guy. Kobe was brutal to some teammates. Wilt was a flake. Jabar's sort of a non-talker. Durant's brand to me is an odd brand. And I put stuff above him because I think score, I think three ball,

I think curry, and I think basketball only. With that, I go to Doug Gottlie via the Coward Global Satellite Network of the Chargers Camp. Let's just start with that. I'm not disputing what Andre Aguadol is saying. I don't have him in my five all-time top scores. Just for fun here. If I said to you, Doug, you've been playing basketball for 30 years since you were a little kid, been a high-level player. If I said greatest scores, who's on your list?

Well, listen, Colin, I'm going to take Kareem off it just because even though I grew up in Los Angeles watching the Lakers didn't really see Kareem in his prime. Wilt, of course, statistically and physically dominant, yet he would shrink in the bright hot spotlight of playing against Bill Russell. Plus, again, I didn't see it. I was old enough. So just modern day scores, bucket getters. You put Jordan, you put Kobe.

Heck, frankly, you put Carmelo Anthony. You put Alan Iverson, and you absolutely put Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant is the closest thing we have to a, to a Cream Abdul-Jabbar, in that instead of sky hook his pull-up mid-range jump shot or even his pull-up three-point job shot is essentially unguarded because he shoots with such a high release it's it Oscar Robertson had a had an unblockable jump mid-range jump shot because he shot it behind his head so I would actually agree with with what Andre Goda was saying but here's the you want to know who Kevin Durant is can I give you the perfect

comparison of who he is in modern society who he's president Trump listen if President Trump just got on Twitter every day and only said the economy. Just tweeted out the economy. Nothing else. Nothing else. Or deleted Twitter. He would walk his way in 2020. None of these midterms would matter.

It'd be over, over. But because of social media, because he, as you said, has diluted his brand, has punched down, has shown himself to be small and insecure. That's the same as Kevin Durant. All Kevin Durant, look, he's an MVP. He moved to Golden State and he was right. He won two championships and he won two NBA finals MVP's. He hit the series clinching shot in both series.

And oh yeah, by the way, he outshined, by my estimation, many people say if you actually watch the game, LeBron James in the fourth quarter of those series. Like if he just, he didn't have, if he wants to tweet, just tweet two rings and two finals MVP's and that's it, nothing else. Or deleted Twitter, we wouldn't be having these conversations. And you wouldn't have any leg to stand on in terms of,

valuing Steph Curry. Like, look, Steph Curry, it's, it's the three-point shot has, and the rules changes in the NBA have allowed Steph Curry to become a superstar in this league. But he's not the score of Kevin Rent. You can't give him the ball and say, go get me a bucket. And it feels like seven times in 10 it actually happens. Kevin Red is the best score in this league, pure score. LeBron James is at a better all-around game, but Kevin Durant grants the best score. But because of social media, just like the president, he's hurt his brain. brand instead of celebrating his successes. Doug Gottlieb joining us at the Chargers Camp.

By the way, a story was interesting from Martellus Bennett. He said, Brady is the better teammate, is the better communicator. Rogers has the better arm. And I was saying, Doug, we always think talent determines your quarterback legacy, and I think it's your personality, is that Brady came from a great family, created a great family, and not coincidentally as part of a great 18-year NFL family, where Aaron squabbled with his family, publicly. He's single, no kids, and sometimes in Green Bay feels like a solo artist,

is that I really do think the difference between Brady and Rogers is kind of their personality, not just their talent. You compare the two because I know you know, Aaron. Well, plus I had, Mark, that was an interview I had with Martellis yesterday on my show, which you can download and listen to. And look, in all candor, I probably should have followed up with, is that why you quit on Aaron Roger? Remember, he quit on the Green Bay.

Packers and forced his way to the Patriots. He also said that he had a lot of fun. He had his most fun playing with the Patriots, which runs counter to many of the things that have been discussed even on your show. But look, Aaron is different. Aaron is unique. Aaron doesn't have a chip on his shoulder.

He's got a whole bag on his shoulder. And I think the curse is the curse of intelligence, the curse of toughness, and the curse of trying to kind of break out of what people think he should be. He doesn't want to be. He doesn't want to be kind of the cliche NFL. player. But I look, I think some some personalities mesh and the thing about Brady was he said that

look, Brady didn't have the arm but had the intelligence and it wasn't really a personal relationship. Whereas with Aaron Rogers, I think at the time, remember there was the Jordy thing and the Jordy injury. There's a lot of other things that play. I do think that Aaron can be a prickly personality, but that doesn't mean that players don't like or even love playing for him. I think this was just the difference in Martellus Bennett, who, look, he's 31 years old, he should still be in the NFL, and he's not, because he wants to do cartoons. He has other things in life. So sometimes it comes down to the personalities more so than something wrong with Aaron and something right with Tom. You played basketball at Oklahoma State. You actually go in vacation there. You speak there

regularly. You have a great connection to the sooner program, Oklahoma State. You really know the state, the Oklahoma City Thunder. Baker Mayfield plays tonight. I've always said, I think his ceilings closer to Case Keenham than Drew Brees. But I think he'll work in this league. I don't think he's Johnny Mansell. He's a little flaky for me. His judgment's hit and miss, but he's an accurate thrower of the football. You know people that have seen him, have talked to him, have coached him. What do you expect to see tonight in his NFL debut? Well, listen, I know people at Tech who coached him, played with him. I know people at OU. And I'm going to completely disagree with you in terms of the leadership quality. He has all the

intangibles that you would want in a football player. And kind of like Aaron Rogers, he has that chip on his shoulder. But there does come down to the tangibles at some point in time. For the number one overall pick, people want him to be Russell Wilson and he's not. Much the way, speaking of Oklahoma, people want Shrey Young to be Steph Curry and he's not. I think, yeah, people have said, like, wait, which is he, is he Mansell or, you know, is he Russell? I think he's more Case Keenum. I think the arm is an issue. And I think the fact that he likes to run around back there. That works in the Big 12 against terrible defenses.

Did work against Ohio State, but can you deliver from the pocket? Tyrod Taylor is a freak athletically, a ton of toughness, and I think you'll hold him off. But at some point, they're going to play Baker. And I think you're going to see that Cleveland made a mistake. The better prospect is in New York with the Jets. I do think that he is accurate. He has a super high football IQ. He will get the football off on time.

but there are times to which his lack of, I think, lack of ceiling, is lower ceiling in terms of size, arm strength, even foot speed, I think that'll be exposed. I think it'll be a good player, but the expectations of number one overall pick I think are frankly too high, especially considering he's with the Browns, there's still a little bit of a mess.

By the way, you've also had great insight through the years. I'm not even going to announce to the audience, why, but you know the Raiders very well, and I'll leave it at that. I just, man, it's just every time I hear news, I'm just, oh, good Lord, this is unraveling. You disagree with me. You think Gruden's going to work. Well, I didn't say I think Gruden's going to work. You've called them the biggest dumpster fire in the NFL.

Is that correct? Potentially, yeah, they're very flammable. They're not lit yet, but they're very flammable, yes. Do they have their quarterback? Yes. Okay, do they have a coach who's won before in the Nashville league? A long time ago. Look, he's widely considered a good football mind.

Look, do I think there's going to be a learning curve there? Yeah. I mean, I remember Tim Hassaback told me a long time ago. He was in the quarterback room, the Washington Redskins, when Joe Gibbs came back from NASCAR, and they put the offensive install in, and the wide receivers are in a three-point stance, and they're like, coach, this is not going to work, you know?

So there is a, there is a, There is a learning curve. The issue with what Gruden's done, he took a lot of chances in the draft. He's taken a lot of chances in free agency. And then, you know, you don't have Khalil Mack who's your best defensive player, and you haven't communicated. Now, he doesn't have to communicate, but that was one of the things that he was supposed to do. There's also seemed to be a disconnect between he and Reggie McKenzie,

who kind of rebuilt this franchise. Look, they weren't as good as people were led to believe two years ago. Remember, they went forward on fourth down a bunch and beat the Saints. there's a little bit of luck, plus the rest of the division being down a couple years ago, allowed the Raiders to get to the playoffs. They probably would have been better had Derek Carr not gotten hurt. But they got Derek Carr, everybody thinks he's a top 15 quarterback went healthy. I think they're going to be better on the offensive line because their scheme was completely off

for the personnel last year. And I do think that Gruden's not a dummy. Now, he said some dumb things, and he is a little bit obtuse to how the league has changed while he's viewed the change from the broadcast booth. But I don't think they're nearly at the level of the. Jets, for example, who, you know, look, they got two other viable quarterbacks and they're going to shove Sam Donald in there. And I'm not really sure if they have the personnel around him to make it work immediately. You know, Cleveland's still a little bit messy. There seems to be a disconnect. If you've watched,

if you watch hard knocks a little bit between their coaching staff, some vivid personalities and their head coach who's hanging on for your dear life, you know, Hugh Jackson's won one game in two years and was not hired by John Dorsey. The New York Giants, the huge. expectations because they all these skill position players but Eric Flowers on the right side of their line and oh yeah by the way their defense is not particularly good the Dallas Cowboys I don't love their wide receiving course so the point you make about the Raiders they've taken a lot of chances everybody in the NFL has kind of perked up their ears you do

wonder whether or not this will work or it will be a dumpster fire but he's got a 10 year deal for a reason it's going to be his way or or they're going to be picking in the top five next year I don't think they're the worst franchise in the league as you have stated by the way Dollar Shave Club is a huge sponsor of your radio show. You may want to occasionally use their product. You look like Leonardo DiCaprio and the Revenant. All right, Doug, I go.

Hey, this is a home game for me. It's right down the street from my house. I got up. I had coffee with an NFL friend. I did yoga. I hopped in the ocean. I came over here. I threw on one of my good t-shirts.

I did it for you. Now you're on me about my shaving? Leonardo DiCaprio, ladies and gentlemen, in the Revenant. Doug Gottliebottley, but Chargers can't. We do appreciate that. Coming up next, there is a rumor about a quarterback trade, and we're going to update you on that. Plus, Terrell Owens has said to come on our show and only our show, and we're going to go back and forth. He's always willing to sit on the couch or come on the phone.

We disagree on a lot of stuff. Most of T. T.O.'s coming up around the corner as well. Two important on National League games are coming to FS1 Saturday. First Anthony Rizzo in the first place Cubs host a red hot Bryce Harper in the Nationals. Then the Brewers will face off with the Atlanta Braves. It all starts at 3 Eastern on FS1 or stream it live on the Fox Sports app.

By the way, you know how there was the old myth that if you went to the home run derby, you went into the tank as a power hitter? Has anybody seen Bryce Harper since home run derby? He's hitting 340. Like Bryce Harper since the home run derby is on fire. Now the Nationals were a mess. Most talented team in baseball that can't win.

I can't figure him out. Doug Gottlieb. T.O. is joining us in 15 minutes. T.O. is not happy with me. Maybe he is happy. I've said, I don't like skipping the Hall of Fame. I don't think you have to go to the Hall of Fame, but why go to Chattanooga, made you look small and petty, do like Randy Moss, go to the Hall of Fame. So Tio's going to join this in 15 minutes. He's not happy with me. He said this is the only show he was going to come on today. So I think he's probably worked up. But you know what? I've always said, his baggage was never drugs. His baggage was mostly passion and little high maintenance stuff. And he is great. and he always comes and talks on the show.

So that part with T.O. I've never had a problem with. A lot of guys avoid the couch. Just like therapy. A lot of people don't want to do therapy. I don't want to face my problems. I'm T.O.'s problems. He's always willing to get on the couch and deal with me.

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The Jets, according to a report, the Jets would be willing to trade Teddy Bridgewater. Now, there's three teams, I think, would be great fits for him. Teddy, to me, could start for your franchise. He's a good enough to be a starter. He's not a high-end starter. He's not going to be, you know, what is his ceiling? Is his ceiling better than Case Keenham, not Kirk Cousins? You know, Alex Smith, maybe.

But I think he'd either be the best backup in the league or a middle-to-lower-end starter. The Jets are now reporting. There's a report inside the Jets, excuse me, they're not reporting it. A reporter for the New York Daily News is they're willing to listen to trade talks. Now, this is really smart with the Jets.

Number one, Darnold's their future, and Josh McCowns also short-term their future. Best backup mentor in the league. He's not looking to play. He's looking to help and teach and going to coaching. Bridgewater can get you a draft pick. Bridgewater can get you immediate offensive line help. There are three teams that Bridgewater would be a very interesting fit with.

Number one, Tennessee. They've got offensive line depth and they've got their quarterback. They may be willing to give up a picker and offensive lineman. Tennessee also has a quarterback who's been hurt and runs. They need a viable backup. A veteran who can come in, learn the system, and win. Keep your eye on the Tennessee Titans. Number two, Houston.

quarterback coming off injury. Bill O'Brien's a quarterback coach. Bridgewater could fill in if Deshawn Watson gets hurt. That's a very, very good roster. What they can't have happen is last year, Deshawn gets hurt and there's a big gap between Deshawn and the two. Teddy Bridgewater's not Deshawn Watson, but he can start and he can win your games with that roster. So keep your eye on the Tennessee Titans. Keep your eye on the Houston Texans. Number three, the Miami Dolphins. Bridgewater's from Miami. Ryan Tannehill, again, off an injury, likes to move, likes to run. again, if Tanna Hill gets hurt, there's not a huge gap to me, Tanna Hill to Teddy Bridgewater. Titans, Texans, dolphins.

I like this. There used to be an old saying. I've always said this about quarterbacks. When you buy a house, what is the second most important thing you've got to do? Get insurance. You can build a house. You don't have insurance. Fire.

You just lost your house. It's not about your landscaping, not about your kitchen, not about your bedrooms, not about your bathrooms. You get a house, you get an insured. the old NFL guy used to say you get a quarterback and then you build a defense and they get no you get a quarterback and then you protect his arse that's a very good old football guy you get a quarterback and then you get a bunch of defensive guy really that's old school that's what indianapolis did we get a quarterback we're not going to pay attention to the offensive line and Andrew luck was gone for the last two years okay by the way Houston has ignored their offensive line

The Jets have ignored their offensive line. Arizona's ignored their offensive line. Protect your investment. Yes, insurance. So the Jets are willing to move Bridgewater. I think it's the right move. I think you can get a pick or assets, and Bridgewater is good enough to start. Tennessee, Houston, Miami.

Keep your eye on those franchises. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So, Colin, according to Jalen Brown, the Celtics will be playing for the title in June 2019. He appeared on C.J. McCollum's pull-up podcast, and Brown had this to say.

We're getting to the finals. No question about it. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if we are the favorite in the East. Oh, we're predicted to win 10 games in the East. You've got to come out and play. But I hate everybody's like, oh, LeBron's gone in the East. I know he did have a strong goal on the East for the last seven years, but he barely got up out of there this year. And our mindset was like, man, he's not being.

reading us again. Lots of newsworthy stuff coming out of CJ's podcast. Here's what I'll say about this situation. I think we all agree. Boston is the number one in the East now and the likely being the finals. But be careful what you wish for. Because they didn't have any expectations

to really actually beat LeBron. I think we would have all been in shock. Even with the squad that LeBron had last year in Cleveland, we would have been surprised. At least I would have been surprised if they had actually pulled it off. But now, You're kind of expected to go it off.

Oh, God, yes. Absolute overwhelming. You're in a different position. You've been asking for this. You've been asking for this position. Now you have it. It's a little bit different when you have these expectations. I'll tell you this.

I have picked the Celtics to not only win the East, but to beat Golden State in the championship. Why are you looking at me like that? Well, I'm saying. I have. That's fine. That's your opinion. I don't think everyone else's expectations are that high for them. I think everyone expects to see them in the finals and to win the East.

But. young teams without titles take the regular season more seriously. We would agree with that. They're going to win 60 games. Teams that are veterans that have won titles take a lot of nights off. So the Celtics are going to meet probably the Warriors. First two games in Boston, last game in Boston, and I think they have a deeper team than Boston. Their starters aren't as good.

I think they're deeper than Boston. They're deeper than Golden State. By the way, you've got the Boogie Cousins thing going on. in Oakland. You're very weary of that buggy, that cousin's nose. I'm not so worried about that. I got my Celtics.

All right. Well, on Wednesday, the new face of the Lakers, that's LeBron James, if you're wondering, was pictured for the first time rocking the iconic jersey at a shoot for NBA 2K. Yeah. He posted these pictures on his Instagram story.

And, in a nice nod to the franchise, he was wearing Kobe's. I love that. The undefeated Nike Kobe won pro tros. Love that. I love it too, and I love it especially because all these Kobe fans are just so in their feelings about LeBron taking over the franchise. Don't forget Kobe, it is greatness. He was the only great Laker.

By the way, two days ago, I, you know, I love LeBron, and I almost never criticize him. About once a year I bring out the hammer on him. A couple days ago, what did I rip him for? He was becoming too Oprah. He was no longer a teammate. He's now your boss. Nobody wants to have beers with a boss. Nobody wants to party with the boss.

Nobody wants to go bowling with the boss. Michael Jordan, during his greatness, was playing cards on the plane. He was one of the dudes. Derek Jeter and his greatness was going out and having a beer with the buddies. LeBron's getting a little Oprah. Like he owns the company. This is a great move. Two days later on this show, we crush him.

He comes out wearing Kobe's. Okay, now I'm going to come back down. I'm part of a unit. I'm part of a community. This move by LeBron, I love. Be one of us. I think he's going to do that. it's all going to come settle back down to earth, at least as far back down to earth as

LeBron in L.A. can get once we get closer to the season starting. Because everything that's happening now, all these shows coming out, everything that he's doing, the school and stuff, all that stuff didn't just happen because he committed to the Lakers. That stuff has been in motion for months, if not years. So just because it's being announced now, this actually happens to be the perfect time because there are no real expectations of them winning a championship this year, this is the perfect time for LeBron to release all of these things. I know what you're saying. High beams on.

Turn the high beams off, LeBron. I get it. But I do think that once the season starts, it's going to be more of this. And it almost has to because there's so many young players. It's like this. If you get divorced and let's say Asmira and I got divorced, if you have a bunch of great things happening, why don't you announce them a little later? There's no reason to, like, dump it on the other partner.

Like, hey, I just got a job promotion. I just went to Paris. I've never been happier. Don't you always say you can't worry about what happened before? You can't live your life that way. Well, but if you're part of a collective and a team, you do have to think about how stuff lands with your teammates because people are sensitive.

I myself am not, but other people I've been told are. Sometimes I can be sensitive. All right, finally, speaking of LeBron and being sensitive and divorces, the local headline, not headline, Headline writers in Cleveland are being a little petty. They threw some shade. The newly released NBA schedule revealed the LeBron will be in Cleveland in a Lakers uniform on November 21st. So the plane dealer made a headline about his return that read Lanzo ball and the Lakers at the queue on November 21st.

And the subheadline reads, former Cav James also expected to play. Okay, this is the headline of the year in American newspapers. This is great. this is the greatest headline in recent memory in American newspapers. A total... It's really funny. I can't even be mad about it. Because overall, Cleveland has handled this exit very well.

Yes, they have. Like, considering the way that they reacted whenever he left for Miami. Do you remember the reaction when he returned with the heat after the decision? Oh, yeah. Oh, man, this was a good day. A good day. Well, for me. Trader.

It's hilarious. What did I care? I live my best life. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. I'm told Terrell Owens, requested to be on our show,

get your popcorn. He'll be joining us next. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Welcome back. You know, I said when Baker Mayfield came on this show, I had a lot of respect for him because it wasn't going to be easy. and I'll say it again about T.O. I have my issues with T.O.

He never chooses the easy route. He doesn't. He came on this show and we argued. He called my producers and said I'll come on one show right now today. He's not doing other shows. This is his first interview. We're not the easiest show for him because I have challenged him and disagreed with him, but he always is willing to discuss things.

At some level, that's a real thing. T.O. is online. By the way, he's going to be on the. the cover of Madden 19 Hall of Fame edition game. It comes out tomorrow, August 10th. All right, let's start with this, T.O. I did not love, because I think you and Randy Moss had very similar careers. Great talents, all-time stuff, top three and everywhere, 15 years, five teams, a little bit of baggage.

I thought he looked big embracing the Hall of Fame. I didn't like you in Chattanooga. I didn't think it was big enough. How would you respond to that criticism? I mean, you and others. you know, have bought into a perception about me that really doesn't exist. And it really wasn't about you and everybody else. As I mentioned, and I think, you know, you being a smart guy, I mean, if you've heard my speech

or if you read the transcript, it pretty much is spot on. So, I mean, to answer that, I mean, I was with really people that really love me, respect me, and supported me. And again, I spoke to David Baker and I explained to him, I could have set my pride aside and been there in Canton and used that stage. But I felt like the stage that I was on was bigger than Canton's stage. Because I couldn't, you know, me personally, I wasn't going to be able to put on a phony face for a lot of those guys that have openly come out and attack my character, have questioned my character,

and even guys like Michael Irvin, Chris Carter, your Dan Fowster, don't know me personally. These guys live in a glass house, but they've been throwing stones. And so for me, I wasn't going to feel comfortable. Neither my family was going to feel comfortable in that environment. So I've even talked to them. So everybody that has asked or made the comments about they missed something in Canton, you can ask them yourself. They didn't miss anything. The only Hall of Fame that they were concerned about was the one that was being introduced and got inducted in Chattanooga.

By the way, you believe people don't respect you. I would argue that people do respect you. You are considered along with Jerry Rice and Randy Moss as the greatest offensive perimeter player ever. There's no lack of respect for T.O. There is something within you that you don't feel you're respected. I would say you're a dynamic player and personality, and because of that, you are polarizing in America.

Couldn't I argue you're overreacting to small criticisms? you're just, you're an American iconic personality. This is part of the, you're going to get it ripped occasionally on opinion shows. No, not at all. I mean, I don't, I'm, I'm very open-minded, and I know that people are entitled to their opinion. But, you know, what I did with my induction and my ceremonies, I took control of the narrative. And I think you and others alike, you guys didn't like it because I stood up for something that I know what was right in my eyes for overfield. 15 plus years, you're Skip Bayliss and those alike.

They have basically lied on me as far as my character was concerned. And I wasn't going to stay, keep standing for that. Again, just a month ago, you know, Skip said on his show that I was evaluated, I was mentally evaluated. I was never, I mean, for people to say, for him to go out and say something like that, that's ridiculous. You know as well as I know mental illness, that's a serious issue. And for him to go on national, on a national aired audience to say that, I beg him, show me documentation where I was mentally evaluated. Do stuff like that I don't get down with. Those are blatant lies.

Over the course of my career, people said I was a bad teammate. Colin, name one person that has come out and said that I was a bad teammate. Nobody has said that but the media. And so for me, that's why I did it the way that I did it because based on me, getting into the Hall of Fame, they went outside of the guidelines, the criteria, and the bylaws to prevent me from getting in. That's what I was more upset about, because my character has been questioned and challenged, and I'm not, I'm not, I'm not want to stand for that. Okay, I'm not going to speak for anybody else. Let me speak for me. I have, I have told you to your

face. I'm like, you're a little high maintenance. I mean, you would ignore, you, you can, I mean, by the way, I, people could say, I mean, Joy can say, I'm high. maintenance. You wouldn't deny. There are times you've been needy that. You can't deny that. That's not mental illness, but you're needy. What's needy? Because I know my ability in which you just alluded to that I'm a dynamic player. And I know most of the time if I get my hands on the ball, something that's going to happen. Yeah, if that's the case, I'm not the most needy person or athlete or receiver that you've ever met. So why am I the most polarizing needy person? No, no, no, I didn't say. I didn't say most. I said, by the way, guys that are as talented you, guys that are as talented as Randy

Moss generally don't end up on five teams. That's what I'm saying. Both of you could be tough to coach. You're doing sit-ups and drives away. You could be tough on guys. I think you're being too sensitive to that. No, no, okay. So let's talk about the five teams. And that rhetoric and that narrative is that five teams wanted to get rid of me. Let's start with San Francisco. why do you feel like they wanted to get rid of me? They didn't get rid of me. If I was such an issue, before the error by my agent, you know, not submitting the papers to,

to my, yeah, I had a five-year, seven-year deal. In order for that to be voted, he had to put that paperwork in. If it wasn't for that, it wouldn't have been an issue. So if I was such a bad teammate, then why didn't the 49-year-old? is get rid of me before that era happens. No, again, you're falling into bad teammate. I don't, bad teammate are your words. My thing is, sometimes you're high maintenance, sometimes why.

But that's been the narrative. Well, you wouldn't be on five teams if you didn't come with a little maintenance, right? You're too good. You're too talented to bounce around. No, the first time I left San Francisco, it had to do with an era from my agent. if like I just said, are you not listening to me? Yes, but you played on four other teams. And so has a lot of other superstars like Dion Sanders.

He played on five teams. And by the way, he was high. And by the way, Dion, I love, he was needy and high maintenance. So Shaq, Jack is played on multiple teams. Yes. Shannon had a massive personality. Oh, who do you say? Oh, you said Shaq.

By the way, Shaq, Needy. I love him. High maintenance. What's wrong with that? So guess what? I'm in good company then. Right. I'm not saying you're not. But I'm saying, just own it. Just be like, okay, I can be a little needy.

Just own it. It's okay. You're getting sensitive. I don't call you a bad human. I've never called you a bad human. I don't have to agree with your term needy. I don't look at it as needy. That's your turn you're using. You're mad because I'm not agreeing with your turn.

Okay, let me do this. I got a minute and a half left. you're a gold jacket guy I don't want to see Denzel Washington do a B movie you're a gold jacket guy stop with the CFL you're above the CFL you're

a mile above you're in a different galaxy than the CFL a minute left what are you doing working out for the CFL I can do what I want to do you guys are mad because you guys can't control me that's all that matters if I want to go play if I want to go play

Sandlock or flag football what's this It's no different than guys going and playing the flag football league. There's no different. Yeah, I don't like that either. I don't like world-class guys going playing sandlot football. You're a gold jacket guy. It doesn't matter. The gold jacket doesn't make me.

The Hall of Fame doesn't make me. I'm going to, I was going to be who I am without the Hall of Fame, regardless. Are you willing to admit on this show your high maintenance? I think you admitted it. Oh, yeah, I probably am a little high maintenance. See, there we go. I could be a little height maintenance, but that's not a bad thing. Sometimes.

Okay, let me promote your thing. T.O. is on the cover of Madden 19 Hall of Fame edition. It comes out tomorrow, August 10th. Second all-time receiving yards. Third all-time receiving touchdown. Six times Pro Bowler. And a legend. A little needy, but a legend.

And he came on the show. I'm showing the cover right now. T.O. You never duck our show. You know I appreciate that. And I'm telling the public that because you don't duck us. And we may disagree. But I'll always invite you on the couch and thank you. Anytime. Anytime. All right. There you go. When you're ready to buy a new car, Hyundai's on your team. Shopper Assurance program. Transparent pricing, flexible test driving, streamlined purchasing. Three-day worry free vehicle exchange. Go to HyundaiUSA.com slash shopper assurance. So there you go. He chopped it up with us for about 10 minutes. Is that okay?

He agreed with nothing you said. By the way, Shaq, Shaq's high maintenance. There's no question Shaq was high maintenance. By the way, the Lakers could choose Kobe and Shaq. Who did they choose? Kobe. Kobe was a better practice player. Kobe was more committed. Kobe didn't have as much maintenance.

I love Shaq. But Shaq came with maintenance. He was needy at times. You know, he was movies and, you know, Shaq Kazam or Shazam. Shack could be needy. I don't really believe that if you can be great without being needy and being high mean it's because you have high standards. No, that's another segment.

Joy, excellent work. Don't go anywhere. Hour number three live in LA next. This is the herd. Hour number three live. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening, live in Los Angeles, High Heart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. Joy Taylor's joining me.

Joy pointed out earlier, and she's right. Tonight is a bizarrely interesting pre-stance. season schedule. Baker Mayfield, Lamar Jackson, who else is playing? Josh Allen's playing. Patrick Mahomes is playing. Cowboys are playing. We're going to see a lot of these quarterbacks and frankly, we don't know what we're getting. So the preseason's mostly are the Raiders planning all tonight? Not yet. Okay, I want to see that dumpster fire. All right. So that's what we got tonight preseason. Now, we just had an exclusive interview with T.O. First interview coming off as Hall of Fame induction. We went

at it. We're going to give you a couple of minutes in a bit on that. But a former teammate of both Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers made an interesting comment about each of them, so I'm starting there. We tend to think that talent determines your legacy as a quarterback, and I'm here to tell you, no, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. Personality dictates your legacy as a quarterback. You think Tom Brady and Joe Montana are the two greatest quarterback talents ever? No, they're not. They had the perfect personality with the coach, the owner, and the GM they work with. Personality will determine your quarterback legacy.

Here's a great example. Martellis Bennett. Little flaky, but I know him and I like him, has played with Brady and Aaron Rogers. And here's what he had to say when comparing Aaron Rogers of the power. and Tom Brady of the New England Patriots. No one has more armed talent than Aaron. Aaron could do pretty much anything with the ball. Tom is precise, easier to play with.

I'll say it's easier to play with Tom than anybody else. He communicates the best of what he expects. The communication between him and receiver is probably like on the highest level. Oh. Tom's the better communicator, therefore the better teammate. Is that surprising? Well, let's look at Tom Brady's history. He comes from a formidable family.

When talking about his mother and father, he often cries on camera. He then creates, with Giselle, an amazing family, which he lets us watch during a documentary. It's remarkable. For two global icons, it's remarkably grounded. And then he goes to the NFL for 18 years, Joy, and creates the greatest family in two decades. Kraft, Belichick Brady. You think that's a coincidence. Aaron Rogers has squabbled with his brother and squabbled with his parents and is single with no kids.

He is the great talent. He is the great individual. Aaron Rogers as Greg CoSell, somebody I trust who watches every play of every game every year, talks about Aaron Rogers and listen to how it sounds like not a teammate but an individual. The reality is when you watch Aaron Rogers and it takes nothing of. away from his performances over the years, but he's not truly a rhythm player, Colin. He's kind of an offbeat player, an off-rhythm player. He's more like a jazz beat. He's a second reaction play. They are there within the rhythm of the play and the timing of the play, and he doesn't make those throws. Now, he might move around and then make another throw,

but there are times against really good defenses where that doesn't work. It's tough to be consistent that way against higher-level defenses. Well, isn't that interesting? Martellus Bennett and Greg Kosell saying the same thing. Oh, he's a remarkable talent, but he's sort of a solo act, an individual often in crisis. When you think of Aaron Rogers, you think of Hail Marys, Jared Cook Throw, you think of individually amazing moments. When you think of Tom Brady, you think of podiums, owner, coach, family, driving fourth quarter, winning drive, with marginal wide receiver talent. This is not a coincidence.

Go look at the history of the NFL. Talent did not determine Troy Aikman or Peyton Manning. There had been bigger, stronger, faster, better arms. It was their individual passion and commitment and detail that elevated them to two of the five, six best quarterbacks I've ever seen play in my life. We get so caught up. Think about this.

think about two people, Cam Newton and Jay Cutler. Those are two of the best five arms in the last decade. But Cam Newton and Jay Cutler are moody people. Well, what does Moody mean? It means your personality is inconsistent. I don't know what I get. You know, my girlfriend's moody, meaning when you walk through the doors at the house or the apartment, you're not sure what you get as a personality.

She says, I'm my boyfriend, so moody. She walks through the door of the house, the condo. She's not sure what she gets with a personality. Cam and Cutler are moody personalities. And they're inconsistent quarterbacks. Week, quarter, half, you don't know what you get with Cam. You don't know what walks through the door with Jay Cutler. It is not a coincidence that Tom Brady, great family,

then created a great family, and then created a great NFL family. And Aaron Rogers, single, no kids, squabbled with family, is the great artist. Hollywood is filled with great artists. often have struggled with family, but they're talented. We get so caught up in talent. That does not determine your quarterback legacy. Your personality will.

Great stuff by Martellus Bennett. I tell my kids, let's shift gears. I tell my kids this all the time, is that I can't predict the future like 20, 30 years, but I'm pretty good at predicting my business for the next 10. So I saw this story. The Raiders are now warming up to the possibility of trading Khalil Mack. And I have mostly blamed Gruden and the Raiders for this.

But it should be mentioned that Aaron Donald of the Rams defensive tackle wants $25 million a year. That's what Tom Brady makes. Earl Thomas Safety for the Seattle Seahawks. I'm not talking to Pete Carroll or John Snyder, the GM. defensive players, jobs all over the globe become more and less relevant all the time. Being stubborn is an awful personality trait because the world's changing. And dog, if you're not changing with it, it's passing you by. Nobody's bigger than a culture.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar would not have been as effective as the best score I ever saw in basketball if he played today. They'd say, Kareem, can you shoot a three? No. All right. Hit the bench, fourth quarter, eight minutes to go. No man's bigger than a culture. You can create a microculture within a bigger culture. I can have a brand within a company with a big brand,

but I'm not bigger than a culture. Okay, defensive players, NFL. Hello, the world's changing. Call your teams. Talk to your agents. You're not as valuable today. two of the top five scoring defenses in the NFL met in the Super Bowl, Philadelphia, New England. They punted once in four hours, 800 passing yards.

Nick Foles looked like John Elway. Nobody can stop anybody. You've got to be available to people based on the urgency in the need of your job. You see it in the movie business all the time now. I can watch stuff at home. The only way you're getting me to a theater, I want to get a cocktail. I want some decent food. I want a better seat.

I want it to recline. Or I'm not going to the movies. If I had told you 30 years ago, yeah, like you won't want to go to the movies. You'll just stay home and watch TV. You'll be like, hey, that's crazy. They've got a big screen. I get these stars. Oh, now I can watch on my terms at home.

I mean, I can watch 10 hours of straight TV and binge watch. Every business evolves. Some, like the one I'm in, evolves quickly. we have seen two rules in the past couple of months changed in the NFL and their defensive player killers. Catch rule. For the last 15 years, not a catch, not a catch, not a catch, not a catch, not a catch. This year, that's a catch, that's a catch, that's a catch, that's a catch. That's bad for defensive players.

The other rule is helmet rule. Okay. Flag, flag, flag, flag, flag, automatic first down. Player ejection. that's an anti-defensive rule. Here are the highest paid defensive players in the NFL last year. Yeah, you notice how many of those guys made the playoffs? Not many of them.

Well, Colin, what about Fletcher Cox? Yeah, I'm going to go with the Eagles were loaded everywhere. Nothing against Fletcher Cox. But, man, you've got to evolve on this stuff. These defensive players putting a line in the sand, I will not, I cannot, this is what I want. not the way the world works. Rule changes.

Stubborn is a really, really bad personality trait. The world's changing. Change with it. Wake up. Coming up next, the very latest. We've got a new report out on former cowboy wide receiver, Des Bryant.

Brand new. We'll get to that next. And bring back a couple of minutes of the combative interview with Terrell Owens that happened 40 minutes ago in our show. Don't go anywhere. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week,

within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. When you're ready to buy a new car, Hyundai is on your team. They have a new shopper assurance program. Three-day worry-free vehicle exchange, flexible test driving, transparent pricing, streamlined purchasing. Go to HyundaiUSA.com slash shopper assurance. Great NFL preseason schedule tonight.

Lock in and watch the games. The Cleveland Browns, Baker. Mayfield will play. Speaking of the Browns, there is a story. Former Cowboy Diva slash wide receiver, Des Bryant, may not be interested in Cleveland. Okay. When you work at a job, it's not only important that you know the job, but know the business. I'm not just a radio TV guy. I know the business I'm in. So I can be a step ahead of the business changes, or at least in line with them. Des, let me tell you how the business works.

You want to get on a team by week one because then your contract's fully guaranteed. Any player signed after week one, a team can just cut loose and only have to pay a quarter of your salary. You're unemployed. Very few teams are interested, clearly. In the NFL, know the business. First of all, the preseason is backups.

Des Bryant could go work in the preseason and look substantial. Know your business. Sign a contract with anybody because then your contract is guaranteed business. A team, if you wait, sit around and get picky, a team picks you up in week two. You go diva one time, boom, you're out. And your reputation looks even worse than it is now. a team will have all the psychology leverage with you. But if you go to a team now, even if it's not perfect, they don't want to cut you because they've got to pay you.

So you can be more of yourself and be more authentic and they're not going to get rid of you. But you go into a team in week three, they can cut you an hour later, make you look like a jerk. Say, God, the guy was a head case. They don't have to pay almost anything. No, not just your job. No, your business. the teams will have complete psychological leverage if you allow them to sign you in the season. They have the financial leverage and they have the, we can cut you in a minute's notice leverage.

And they have, that's a temper tantrum you're out of here. We're going to damage your brand even more leverage. You sign now next two, three weeks, teams are going to give you a bad day, a bad practice, a bad outburst. Which, by the way, it looks like a little bit part of your personality and fabric. That's kind of who you are. Got to know the business, dude. You sitting around waiting for the perfect gig? It's not going to come.

Good teams generally avoid chaotic players. You're a chaotic player. You're going to end up on teams that need a pop, need to sell seats, have a quarterback that needs somebody to elevate them. These are the notable preseason games tonight. Cleveland Baker Mayfield playing. my guess is he looks fine. He's an accurate thrower. He'll be fine.

Buffalo Josh Allen, rookie quarterback playing. I'm not so sure. I don't think he's ready to start in this league. Rams are at the Ravens. Lamar Jackson will get time. Again, I don't think he's close to RG3 at this point. Forget Joe Flacco. Houston plays Kansas City.

They have Patrick Mahomes. That's the kid that's going to be, that's the best young quarterback potentially in the league. He's got a great coach. He got to sit and watch for a year. He's got mad, mad offensive talent around him. Also have the Cowboys at the Niners. A little Dak and Garoppolo for a series or two.

Andrew Luck and the Seahawks. Probably get Andrew Luck for a series or two against Russell Wilson. Joy Taylor with the news. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So, odds makers at Bet Online have released their list of favorites to win next season's NBA MVP award.

Guess who leads the pack. LeBron, 4 to 1 favorite, followed by Anthony Davis and then James Hardin. Finally, we're getting past this. Let's give a dynamic guard who doesn't play any defense. Let's give him the MVP. So finally, Vegas is like, we all grown up now. We do get LeBron's the MVP of the league now. Finally, we grow up.

We had to give it to some other people. We had to be fair, Colin. Derek Rose, Carl Malone. Stop it. Stop this. I do agree with you on. Eric Rose. Triple double.

James Hardin, you watch him in the playoffs. I mean, Westbrook was the MVP. Come on. Oh, enough. Enough. But you said that LeBron was out of the MVP business. Well, because my takeaway on LeBron is, dude, play 68-70 games. Get ready for the...

Who gives a rip if you're good in Denver on a Tuesday? So who do you think just right now will be the MVP? Face up this list. Oh, I think, I think if you're asking me who I think it's going to be... Yeah. Janice, LeBron, Durant, Janice, LeBron, Durant, and a little Kyrie. They're going to be, because they're going to be really good, little Kyrie talk. I think there could be some Kyrie talk.

Yeah, LeBron, Janice, are you looking at me crazy now? LeBron Janis, Kevin Durant. They're very sensitive to looks today. John looked at me like I just said I hate football or something. He's like, whoa. I think Kyrie Irving is going to get loved because the Celtics are going to win 64 games. And, you know, Jalen Brown, you're not going to see him as much. Gordon Hayward, Horford, or Bees.

Kyrie's going to be, it's going to be a Brad Stevens, Kyrie talk. He'll get coach of the year. Kyrie MVP talk. Doesn't it feel like Anthony Davis, like the media will give it to him because they've wanted to for a while now? Oh, God, the media. I feel like that's predictable. God, who can try? Oh, I don't even like the media anymore.

Who cares about the media? I'm kidding. Stupid media. Dumb media. So everyone remembers the confusing decision, Ben McAdcad. made when he decided to bench Eli Manning in favor of Gino Smith and N. Manning's 210 game starting streak, which still bothers me to this day. Well, Davis Webb had some things to say about it. Here he is. Around 8 at 9 o'clock, I was doing film breakdowns

for Gino and Coach McAdoo walked in and said, hey, in the next three weeks, you're in. I was ready to rock and roll and I was excited by the same time. I was a rough day because Eli's been the best teammate I've ever had. So I was really hurting for him. And once, you know, everything went down in Oakland and we let go with some people. I was the first one to congratulate Eli when he started against Washington because I wanted him to win the next three games because I was pumped for him. I know he was driven. He's really turned it up January through February, March, April, and now you kind of seem through training camp. This is the best he's ever looked since I've been here.

This really isn't relevant other than for the fact that I just really would like to remind everyone what a dumpster fire the Giants were last year. I never understood this decision. It bothers me to this day. if this was true that he was actually going to start Davis Webb, I could have understood that because maybe you know what? They're terrible. Eli's not playing well. Let's put in this young guy that could possibly be the future.

Maybe we need to see something from him. You know what Gino Smith is. What's he going to go out there and do? The season is over. She's just going to end this streak. Really disrespect Eli Manning, who's been the face of your franchise for all these years, to put in Gino Smith and do nothing.

They were a dumpster fire last year. They should be grateful for any positive. I still contend the reason they drafted Sequin Barclay too. And I really deeply, they didn't want to, let me think of the word, they didn't want to tick off the Manning family. They're such royalty and it was such a beating that they thought, you know what? It doesn't matter if we draft Donald and Sidham. It's going to look like disrespectful to the Mannings and our fan base will not accept it.

And I think it's a mistake because I think Seekwan Barkley is going to be great for a couple years and will look like the right pick. Eight years from now, Sequon's probably out of the league. such a disaster. All right. Finally, during last night's Yankees White Sox game, an awful thing happened.

We've been talking about how hot it is out here in L.A. the past couple weeks. There's bugs everywhere. I don't know if you've got bugs where you live. Yeah, there are. But there's so many bugs.

I've never even seen this many bugs out here. Okay, so this is not obviously out here. But Bruce Dreckman, this is Chicago, was very calm. And he pulled a small moth-like animal.

It's still moving. Oh, my God. Look at it. It was in his ear. Ear! Okay, Yankees trainer, Steve Donahue, pulled the bug out of the umpire's ear. Okay, first we try to use a Q-tip.

How did it get in there? Well, they're... I can't. Clarice. I ate his liver with some problems. I love that boo. I love that. That looks like... Moths are evil.

Have you ever killed a moth? Oh, with my bare hands. There's no... There's no blood. They just turn into, like, dutch. Do you never notice that? I really think they're like tiny little demons. That's interesting.

There's no blood with a moth. No. You kill spiderly like smears. It's all gooey. A moth disappears. Just disappears into the universe. They're very creepy. I don't know how it got in his ear, though.

The thing must have been fast. Because I feel like you feel a bug crawling on your ear. You swat it, right? Oh, so disgusting. Well, I know you're a weak spot now. Yes, I don't know. It's living creatures inside your ear. Yes.

Yeah, I don't like bugs in my ear. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. So I got a call yesterday afternoon. So I'd done the show. It was a spectacular show.

Anyway. And I was one of the producers texted me and said, hey, we don't do phone interviews very often. We do live interviews. We want people on the couch, right? Face to face, better for us, better for the ratings, better for everything. It's live. It's visceral. somebody said, would you do a phone interview tomorrow with T.O?

And I said, well, what are the parameters? And they're like, there's no parameters. And I'm like, I'm not going to kiss his butt. I don't like what he did in Chattanooga. I thought I'd look weak. And they said, he'll come on your show, only your show, on any show. He's doing no other interviews around the country for a week. He'll come on your show and he'll answer all your questions.

And I said, all right, let's do it. because I didn't like, you know, I think again, he's a gold jacket guy. I'm not interested in him playing CFL football, and I think he should have been at Canton. And I didn't like the Chattanooga thing. It looked small. So that was about an hour ago. We went back and forth, and I told him I didn't like the Tennessee Chattanooga thing instead of being at Canton. And I also told him I think he can be high maintenance.

And, of course, T.O. defended himself. What's needed? Because I know my ability in which. you just alluded to that I'm a dynamic player. And I know most of the time if I get my hands on the ball, something that's going to happen. Yeah, if that's the case, I'm not the most needy person or athlete or receiver that you've ever met. So why am I the most polarizing needy person? No, no, no, I didn't say most.

I said, by the way, guys that are as talented you, guys that are as talented as Randy Moss generally don't end up on five teams. That's what I'm saying. both of you could be tough to coach. You're doing sit-ups and drives away. You could be tough on guys. I think you're being too sensitive to that. No, no, okay. So let's talk about the five teams.

And that rhetoric and that narrative is that five teams wanted to get rid of me. Let's start with San Francisco. Why do you feel like they wanted to get rid of me? They didn't get rid of me. If I was such an issue before the era by the, my agent, you know, was not submitting the papers to, to, to my, I had a five-year-year-old deal. In order for that to be voided, he had to put that paperwork in.

If it wasn't for that, it wouldn't have been an issue. So if I was such a bad teammate, then why didn't the 49ers get rid of me before that era happened? No, again, you're falling into bad teammate. I don't, bad teammate are your words. thing is, sometimes you're high maintenance. Sometimes why... But that's been the narrative.

Well, you wouldn't be on five teams if you didn't come with a little maintenance, right? You're too good. You're too talented to bounce around. No, the first time I left San Francisco, it had to do with an error from my agent. If, like I just said, are you not listening to it? Yes, but you played on four other teams. And so has a lot of other superstars like Dion Sanders. He played on five teams.

And by the way, he was high, and by the way, Dion, I love, he was needy and high maintenance. So, Shaq, Jack is played on multiple teams. Yes, Shannon. Shannon had a massive personality. Oh, who did he say? Oh, you said Shaq. By the way, Shaq, Needy. I love him.

High maintenance. What's wrong with that? So guess what? I'm in good company then. You're right? I'm not saying you're not. But I'm saying, just own it. Just own it.

Just be like, okay, I can be a little needy. Just own it. it's okay. You're getting sensitive. I don't call you a bad human. I've never called you a bad human. Well, I don't have to agree with your term needy. I don't look at it as needy. That's your turn you're using. You're mad because I'm not agreeing with your turn. Are you willing to admit on this show your high maintenance? I think you admitted it. Oh, yeah, I probably am a little height maintenance. There we go. We've had. I could be a little high maintenance, but that's not a bad thing. Yeah, so he finally came and landed on the thing I've been banging on for two interviews. Your high maintenance.

Now, I've said before, this is just my opinion here. And anybody that's listened to me for, I've been doing this 20 years, right? And many of you have been listening, the Portland audience, for 20 years. The one thing I can't deal with is high maintenance. From a wife, from a friend, from a kid. Just because of my life and how I was raised and some of the chaos, I don't do high maintenance. people. I can't handle high maintenance people. So I wouldn't want Randy Moss and T.O. despite their talent, I'd take Julio Jones, I'd take Larry Fitzgerald, I'd take Calvin Johnson.

They would work with my personality. So high maintenance people wear me out. I couldn't coach, I couldn't coach Cam, Jeff George. Remember Jeff? I couldn't coach Johnny Mansell. There are a lot of people I can't coach. That's my personality. Shaq would have worn me out. I would have dealt fine with Kobe because Kobe's a grinder. I'm a grinder. But Tio is now acknowledging which just own your baggage.

Own it. Your high maintenance. That's why if you're great at your job in professional sports, let's be honest. On average, the average guy plays in the NFL, I'm talking first round, second round, great players.

About eight, 10 years. If you're on five teams and you're as good as Randy and Tio, you got some baggage. You're needy, you're tough to coach. Doesn't mean you're a bad human. Doesn't always mean you're a bad teammate. You can be a difficult teammate.

That's all we're saying. But there's also some element to not getting to a point in your life where you no longer care about what other people say about you. Like we're all sensitive to what our image is and how people view us. And if people say something about our character that we disagree with, we want to defend ourselves.

But also at one point, if people are repeat, repeatedly over and over and over again in massive amounts telling you something about yourself. At one point in another, do you not just reflect? I'm not saying that Tio is a bad person. I don't think he is a bad person. He never had any off-the-field issues. But at one point or another, there are a lot of people saying the same thing about you. Maybe it's not just everyone's out to get you.

Like, maybe there's some small thing there. And I'm not saying you have to compromise who you believe you are as a person. But if someone's, if there are constantly people coming up and telling me, Joy, your high man, it's your high man, it's your high man, it's your high man, it's, your high maintenance. Maybe I'm a little high maintenance. And it's okay to admit that, but maybe reflect on how that's affecting other people. Now, and the other thing is, T.O. says, I'm not going to let you define me. You are letting you define you or you wouldn't be, you wouldn't constantly feel the need to defend yourself. When you are a public figure, you are defined by lots of people.

Right. So that's just part and parcel. I never take the criticism of me online personally. I don't care. T.O. tends to take the criticism of him. And as I pointed out, T.O. is sort of an iconic. T.O. is just big. He is. He's a big physical specimen. He's a big person. I mean, even his smile. Big. He pops on television. Those kind of people. LeBron James, the best basketball player in the last 25 years. He's polarizing. What do we talk about earlier with Kevin Durant? That because he feels the need to constantly respond to criticism, punching down. right to do. He is. He's punching down. If you are a big figure and you have a big personality and you're sometimes controversial and you're polarizing, but you just own that about yourself,

then you don't worry about what other people think about you. Who cares if someone says you're a bad teammate? Who cares what people are saying? People are always going to have an opinion. That's what people do. You're not going to stop people from having their opinion about you. Just live your life. But it's, it's contradictory that you're doing that when you're having a separate Hall of Fame ceremony for yourself. If you really didn't care, you'd go to the Hall of Fame. Speak your piece there. Coming up, good stuff, Joy. It's the one thing, half of the NFL doesn't want to hear, and I'm going to say it. That is next in best for last. Car shopping's confusing. A lot of terms. Dealer price, list, price, invoice. True Car shows you what other people paid for the car you want. Ready to buy a

newer use. Go to Truecar.com and check out the true price at True Car. All sorts of fireworks today with T.O. It was a lot of fun. So we do it every day at this time. We call it best for last. After almost three hours, Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet. Quit holding out on us, cowherd. It's the best for last.

So the Raiders pass rusher, Khalil Max holding out, Seattle's Earl Thomas safety holding out, Aaron Donald Rams holding out. It's a new era and it's come upon us very quickly. Offenses, the rules, people don't want to pay big money even for defensive stars. Bucky Brooks, who was drafted in this league, played in this league, and was a scout in this league, talked about it recently on our show. For years, we heard defense wins championships. Well, now the shift is changing. It is all about the offense. It's all about the passing game.

It's all about playmakers and passers. And so what we've seen, and you just have to follow the money. In recent weeks, we've seen Todd Gurley get his money as a big time playmaker as a running back slash wide receiver. We've seen these receivers who guys are like, oh my God, Sammy Watkins, Brandon Cooks, Stefan Diggs, Jarvis Landry, all these guys

are getting money at the $16 million mark. And I just think we talked about this earlier. This happens all the time, is that jobs disappear in America. They just disappear in America. So the staff said, this morning we were having our meeting and they said,

you'd be amazed at the jobs that used to be relevant jobs in America, like fax machine repairman. Like, that job's over, right? I can remember the day. I can remember the day in local news. I remember this day well. I remember where I was sitting. I'm sitting at my computer, and they took my typewriter out of the newsroom in Las Vegas

at KVBC and put in a computer. And I remember thinking, oh, whoever owns. the rights to typewriters in America, it just ended right in front of me. They took out all the typewriters and put in computers. So my staff said, let's play a game. Real job or fake job? Jobs that have disappeared in America or did they ever exist? Here we go. It's time for the game where you have to guess whether a job really existed or if it's something we totally made up. Get ready to play real job or fake job. Here's your host, a man who kind of has a real job. John Goulet.

All right, John. Real job, fake job. By way, fullbacks in the NFL disappeared. You and I grew up with fullbacks. The Patriots use a fullback occasionally. Fullback in the NFL. The Giants are going to use a fullback? Yeah.

There we go. A ratner. A person who caught rats and sold them so they could be used to feed dogs. Real job or fake job. Joy. You know, I'm kind of starting to learn the beats of these games. Yeah. But I'm going to go.

I'm going to go with no. Yeah, I'm with joy. That's a fake job. Believe it or not, that's real. Real job. That actually existed. Why would the... Okay, that seemed...

I mean, keep... Oh, God. Oh, we have pictures of it. Good hell. Why do you want to feed the rats to the dogs? Okay, next one. Who's paying for that? Resurrectionist.

A person who dug up dead bodies and sold them to medical schools. Oh, God. Oh, God. No. I'm going no. I'm going to say yeah, because there are people now that have to deal at cemeteries and other jobs. Yeah, but they don't bury those bodies first. Okay, you say no, I say it's a real job. Believe it or not, that's real.

What? Real job. A resurrection. I mean, how is the body then fit for medical? I guess you got to be real quick. All right. Maybe that's why it's a job. It's a timely matter.

Yeah, I guess. out of there. Soup dandy. A person who held candles under soup pots to keep them warm. No. I'm consistently going no. First of all, our staff is not funny enough to create that on their own. That is a real job.

Fake-gitty, fake, fake, fake. Fake job. Our staff came up with soup dandy. My staff's more talented than I thought. Why would you hold the candle? God, my staff's got real. That's pretty impressive. Next one, a knocker-upper. Not what you think.

A person who tapped on windows to wake people up in the morning. You know what? There's so much to say. Okay, I will say, yeah, knocker-upper. I'm going to say, I think I read a book about this. I think I've seen a picture of this before. I think this one's real. I'm also going to go, yes.

Yeah, there was no alarm clocks. I think I've seen pictures of this. I think it's real. Believe it or not, that's real. A knocker-upper. What if you had two people on different sides of town or far away that both wanted to get up at 7 a.m.? That's the internet picture I've seen of that job. That's it right there.

But if two people have to wake up at the same time, you can't go to both places. So someone's automatically late. No? It's a good point. Okay, next one, a lector. A person who read the news to factory workers to keep them from becoming bored. Now, by the way, they're showing another one on the screen. Okay, here we go, a lector.

A person who did what? read the... Who read the news to factory workers to keep them from becoming bored. I'll go yes on that one. Yeah, I'll go yes on that one too. Believe it or not, that's real. Yeah, okay. Yeah, that sounds right.

It went away because it was too distracting. Okay. Now we have everything in the world to distract us. We don't need... We actually have automation, so we have no factory workers. We have automation, robots. Okay, next one, a hole puncher, a person who was specifically trained to punch holes in donuts. Now, that's stupid.

That doesn't... No. That's stupid. Fake-gitty, fake, fake. That is not a real job. That's not how you make donuts. That's something our staff would come up with. That one's dumb.

Yeah. Okay. Electric scooter charger, a person who found electric scooters and recharge their batteries. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. I think I've heard of that. That's probably still a job, right? Yeah, it's a job today.

Believe it or not, that's real. That actually currently exists. You were right on. Yeah, it currently exists. I feel like our writers may have kind of taken. some time off as they got through some of these? Yeah. We wrap this game up. What else?

Okay. Last one. Paperboy, a person who drove around delivering newspapers so people could get their news in the fastest way possible. There's no way there was ever an industry where you delivered the news a day after it happened. That has never been

an industry. There's no way you could ever have an industry where you delivered day old news to people's porches. Imagine having to wait that long. to find out what's going on. That industry could never have existed, John. Believe it or not, that's real.

Apparently that job still exists too. Where a young man throws paper on your porch for day old news. How's that industry doing, John? Not booming. Real job or fake job.

All right, here's the, I actually am, tonight's the NFL preseason games, and we're all going to watch Baker Mayfield. Now, I keep saying this over and over. The reason I keep going back and telling you what I think of Baker Mayfield, because I'm defining my expectations.

So you're not going to run and go, Colin, you said. Never called him a bust. Johnny Mansell, I predicted bust. Jamarcus Russell, I predicted bust. Tim Tebow, I predicted bust. I predict bus occasionally. Josh Allen at Buffalo. high chance of bust.

Baker is a accurate deliverer of leather. He can succeed. He's got an offensive coach. They have an interesting receiving corps. I don't see him busting. I just don't think his ceiling is very high at all. He is a two-time walk-on.

Two-time walk-ons have never been the number one pick in NBA, NHL, baseball. He is a walk-on. Walk-on meaning nobody would scholarship him until he got on campus and he was a little better than the starter, so they put him on a scholarship. That doesn't mean you can't play in the league. Half of the NFL was not drafted. Tony Romo was undrafted, but Tony Romo is not going to make the Hall of Fame. Number one picks are players that you believe are 10-year pro bowlers. I've said this with Baker. He was overdrafted. He was simply overdrafted. Sam Darnold's a good enough prospect to be number one. I thought this year Bradley Chubb, the rush end for Denver.

It was good enough to be a number one pick. Those two guys to me were good enough to be a number one pick. Sequin Barclay was absolutely good enough to be a high draft pick, a Denzel warded Ohio State. There's only a handful of guys. If you go to the on average, if you go to an NFL draft, there's about two guys a draft that I'm like, that's a number one pick. You know my theory on this.

Unless you've got an Andrew Luck, unless you've got, to me a Sam Darnold, unless you've got somebody that I think is a 10-year-plus franchise quarterback, I would always trade out of the number one, number two, number three picks. I'm a believer. NFL draft is defined the cheapest labor possible. And once you get your franchise quarterback, I would trade down constantly in the draft. more picks, more guys.

But if you don't have a franchise quarterback and you've got to get one, then there are teams like Kansas City felt like Alex Smith. We've hit a ceiling. Let's move up to get Patrick Mahomes at what they get him like 17. So I think of all the games tonight, the one to keep your eye on is the Kansas City Chiefs hosting Houston Texans. We're all going to watch Baker, Lamar. We're all going to talk about all these guys. Patrick Mahomes has a great coach and Andy Reid, a brilliant offensive guy and a loaded offensive roster.

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