The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Tom Brady, All Decade Team, NBA, and Jim Harbaugh

Episode Date: April 7, 2020

Colin talks about why Tom Brady went to the Buccaneers, his essay that shows his frustrations with the Patriots, the NFL All Decade Team, why the NBA might be in trouble because of social media, and why he is defending Jim Harbaugh. Guests include Tua Tagovailoa, Ric Bucher, and Hue Jackson. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My guy, my quarterback, not Russell Wilson, the next Russell Wilson, Tua, Tunga Vialoa. I like calling him Tua for obvious reasons. We'll be joining us, Chris Collinsworth this hour. Also, Hugh Jackson, Rick Bueher, Tua, Rick Buechard, Tua is joining us in one hour from now, and Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy tomorrow, potentially, she will rejoin the show as a visual member of the show. You've only heard her voice, but they're putting a camera in her house, so tomorrow we may see Joy.

Joy to the world for that, and how are you? I'm good. Fingers crossed, we'll see. We're working through all these changes as we go. But yes, hopefully tomorrow. We are tinkering every day. So Tom Brady yesterday released to the Players Tribune a letter. And this is what a lot of athletes do.

You're Kevin Durant, your Derek Jeter's, you know, your Tom Brady's or whoevs. You know, they retire. They do something special. And they, in their own words, take the media out of it. They write a column for the Players Tribune. And there was a couple of things that jumped out. But let me stay on one thing for Tom Brady. He goes, right now, though, I have things to prove to myself.

The only way is through. If I don't go for it, I'll never know what could have happened. If I stood at the bottom of a mountain and told myself, I could scale the highest peak, but then didn't do anything. What's the point of that? That is how successful people think. And let me give an example. Bill Holmes is my former accountant lives in Portland. I've moved around the country now and used somebody else, but he's a great accountant,

Portland, Oregon. and he has a successful firm with a lot of successful people. And we were talking about this one time. And I never forget this. This is one of these moments somebody says something and it just sticks. You know, your dad says something to you, your mom, your brother. And it just sometimes people say something. And it just kind of lands.

And for the rest of your life, it's there. You're like, you know, I'm never going to forget that. That's where saying's like a penny saved, is a penny earned. Somebody's smart Aristotle or somebody, you know, comes up with that. And we think about it for the rest of our lives. So I'm not saying Bill is Aristotle or Socrates, but he said something he wants. He said, with all my successful clients, he had men, he had women, young, old, tech, you know, startups. He said, they never talk about failure.

It's built in. Failure is built into success because to fail is part of business. It doesn't matter if you're Mark Cuban, Rupert Murdoch, it doesn't matter. He said losers worry about failure. Winners worry about something else. Regret. He goes, when I talk to my clients, I hear regret a lot. I regret I didn't buy this business.

I regret I didn't grow faster. I regret I didn't spend more time with this person or that person. He goes, I hear regret. He goes, that's the thing that eats away at the successful, smart people I deal with. Failure is just built into life. And one of the things I've always believed about successful people, they're not always smarter. They're more aggressive. And aggressive is a really important factor in success.

Number one, if you're aggressive, if you adapt quickly, if you're right, and you're not always going to be right, it's okay. But if you're right, you're going to get an elite on your industry or your field. If you adapt to the three-point shot, if you adapt to certain analytics and sports first like the Warriors did, you jump on the rest of the league. Secondly, if you fail, and successful people don't worry about failure. They worry about regret. If you fail, you also know what doesn't work quickly and you can move off at. Schwartzcoff. Remember General Schwarzkopf?

When we got into the Gulf War, he talked about that. He said, you can't be paralyzed by perfection. I've heard people talking about that with this virus. You can't be paralyzed with it. You've got to act. And then if you're wrong, react. But don't sit back and be passive. Go for it.

Try stuff. And Tom Brady is thinking like successful people do. I'm going to go for it. I'm not going to sit at the bottom of the mountain and not climb it. Can I succeed without Belichick? Can I succeed at 43-44? Can I succeed without Belichick? Can I succeed without Dante Scarnacia?

Can I succeed in a different system? Can I succeed in the NFC from the AFC in a tougher division? Mark Cubanoa says, go for it. It just takes one idea to get rich. By the way, actors do this, the great actors. Marlon Brando had seven bombs. Who cares? Nobody talks about him.

Michael Jordan bombed in D.C. Nobody cares. It didn't hurt his legacy. And for the record, if you look at the quarterbacks who have either moved on or been moved, Peyton Manning, two Super Bowls. Brett Farb. championship. Joe Montana, Kansas City,

aFC championship. When you still have thread left on the tires, Montana had some, Farrve had some, Peyton had some, and I would say Tom is certainly healthier than Peyton, and I think he's closer to his good years than perhaps Montana in Kansas City. Tom's better than 75% of the league right now. There's no market for Cam or James Winston. Okay. There's a market for Tom, Chargers wanted him confirmed. Raiders wanted him confirmed. New England wanted to keep him confirmed, and Tampa Bay got him. He's better than 75% of the guys in this league. Nobody's saying right now he's Russell Wilson. Nobody said he's Patrick Mahomes. On his good days, his good drives, his good series, his good halves, he is still exceptional.

Today to win a game, Jared Goff, Tom Brady, who would you take? I'd probably take Brady. I'm not saying I'd take him in a year and a half from now, but this moment, probably Tom. And I like golf. When I look at all these situations, what successful people do is go for it. Failure will not affect Tom's legacy. People will bang on him on social media. He doesn't care. Successful people don't. It's about regret and not living a life.

Be honest about it. Be honest about it with yourself. Do you ever get content or comfortable? You ever think maybe, maybe, be honest about this. You've underachieved a little. Most of us do. We get comfortable. We get content.

We get scared. I'm not going to go for it. Brady's not that kind of guy. And I think it defines his personality, defines his life. You know, there's a lot of beautiful women he could have asked out. He asked out a supermodel, the world's number one supermodel. Confident, aggressive, go for it, no regrets. So I saw this come out yesterday.

Thank God the NFL is giving us content. The all-decade team came out in the NFL. And I'm not really a big guy on lists and trophies and this kind of stuff. But 2010 all-decade team. So let's just go to the quarterback. Tom Brady. Yep. Aaron Rogers.

I agree. Here's what's interesting. The media influences perception. Thank God. the media doesn't influence reality. Just perception, not reality. So Aaron Rogers, a couple years ago, the goat. Hall of Fame first ballot.

Best pure quarterback talent sent Elway. The perception of Aaron Rogers is rather grandiose. The perception of Russell Wilson, Pete Carroll carried him. There's Marchon Lynch. Legion of Boom! He's good, very talented. Nobody disputes that. But, you know, he's kind of quirky.

He's a little small. He's more of a runner. He's a throat where he's, oh, it's interesting. So let's go to the last decade, of which Russell Wilson did not play in the first two years. Aaron Rogers has one Super Bowl win. Russell's got two appearances, one win.

Playoff record, one guy, 10 and 7, Aaron. Russell's 9 and 6. Same. Overall record, Aaron 96, 45, and 1. Russell, Wilson 86, 44 and 1. Completion percentage, both 64. Passer rating, 101 Russell, 103 Aaron.

Aaron has missed 18 starts. Russell's never missed one. So I would get Aaron Rogers the nod over Russell Wilson. I'm not disputing that, but it's really close. One guy never misses games. Also, one guy Aaron Rogers has on average had a much better old line with more pro bowlers than Russell Wilson the entire decade. But now here's what's interesting.

Let's just, remember, perception, Aaron is boo! And Russell is quite talented. We don't talk goat, Hall of Fame. We don't talk. Now let's compare Aaron and Russell Wilson. Since Russell entered the league, only eight of the ten years, Aaron no longer has a Super Bowl. Russell has two.

Aaron loses his biggest statistical and touchdown year. and he still misses 16 starts. Since Russell entered the league, remember he didn't get a sit for three years. He was injected with a battle line into the NFL. Day one, since he entered the league, he would have two Super Bowls, Aaron Nunn, more rushing touchdowns,

more passing yards, higher completion percentage, zero missed starts, with an inferior, on average, offensive line. Russell Wilson's a better quarterback since he entered the league than Aaron Rogers. He's a better runner. He's a better teammate. He's worked around a worse offensive line.

He's got more passing yards. He completes a higher percentage. He doesn't get coaches fired. And he never misses a start. This is not to say that Aaron Rogers should not make the all-decade team. He should. I'd vote for him. But the perception is Aaron here and Russell several notches below.

Russell's been the better quarterback the last eight years with inferior offensive linemen protecting him. Just want to throw it out there. Thank God the media does not control reality. They simply control perception. And that has influenced on not disputing that. but they're not this is not if somebody's got an edge on the other right now in the NFL today Russell's a better football player than Aaron Rogers no question doesn't get hurt works around inferior offensive lines completions running around make an average guys better

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It's all very, very exciting. Joy Taylor in a couple of minutes. So Adam Silver is the NBA commissioner. I like him. He is smart. He embraces gambling. He is a thinking person's commissioner. I am a big fan of Adam Silver.

He said yesterday he does not expect a decision on resuming the NBA before May. Thank you. Stop predicting the end of football. media people. It's over five months away. September 10th is the first day of NFL football. They'll absolutely cancel the preseason if they had to. What they don't want to cancel is the big TV network game starting September 10th.

Nobody knows. Give it a rest. Another 40, 45 days we can talk about that stuff. Adam Silver saying, hmm, I'm not sure. Let's wait. Thank you. Here's the other thing, though. It's going to take some guts to be the first people in.

It's not a coincidence that Dana White, says, we're going to rent an island, go for it. Dana White is not woke. He doesn't care about Twitter. He's a tough guy. He's a maverick. Dana White, it's not a coincidence. He's one of the first guys that goes, I'm back.

Because you're going to have to have some backbone. I mean, the NFL got crap for free agency, which I don't know was talking on the phone. By the way, the PGA yesterday said, yeah, we're coming back. Why? A lot of old guys and rich guys that don't care about social media. By the way, SEC football will be hyper-aggressive. They do not care about the opinion of New Yorkers and people in Los Angeles. The NFL overwhelmingly doesn't really care about Twitter.

A little bit, it's aware of it, but they're going to do the draft and should, they don't care what you think. They did free agency and should, they don't care what you think. Here's what's interesting, though. NBA is the sport of social media. Social media is very kind of the NBA. It's got a younger following, younger people. people are on social media. There's a lot of very funny, talented people that love the NBA,

and they do their memes, and they do their little highlights, and it's very entertaining. It is the sport that the media and social media has embraced. But let's be honest about something in America. Everything's political. This is political, too. There's a big chunk of people in the media, more than half, that don't like the current president and administration. You know how he's going to get reelected potentially if we get over this quickly and the economy turns and Joe Biden cognitive declines. Not great at one of the debates. And Trump is once again for more years. With no concerns about re-election, he'll be even crazier, right? How is the media that has largely overwhelmingly defended Adam Silver in the NBA, the underdog league to the all too powerful NFL?

What if Adam Silver and the NBA start the ball rolling for all the leagues and the economy turns and the imagery and the optics of it are fondly embraced by Wall Street? Back, NBA starts it all! Because you know if the NBA goes and works and we talk about it, the ratings are going to be gigantic. And the NFL is going to be like, well, they're in. We're going to go. Baseball is going to be like, they're in. We're going to go. How will they treat him then?

Don't kid yourself. The weather is political now. You don't think this virus is political? One channel MSNBC, gloom and doom. Fox, we're almost through it. I'm not taking sides. I'm just telling you what I'm seeing, and you're honestly seeing the same thing.

It's going to be very interesting. They have carried a lot of favor with the media in America. There's nothing wrong with that. The NBA is the media. That's the media league. That's the social media league. But if they go back in first, kickstart the sports economy, that will kickstart the economy.

It's not going to do Joe Biden any favors. We'll just tell you that right now. It'd be interesting to watch how it transpires. Because if you're denying, we live in a political world now. The weather is political. You used to be able to go up to somebody and say, man, it is hot today. People will be like, yeah. Now if you go, it is hot today.

Oh, global warming, right? I'm a denier. No, it's just hot today. It's 88 degrees in humid. I'm sweating. You used to be able to say that my entire life. About eight years ago, it all changed. Weather's now political.

So's the virus. So's the economy. Keep your eye on it. Keep your eye on it. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

So Cam Newton is a free agent for the first time in his career. Yes. And after nine seasons with the Panthers, he says he's feeling a little out of place while he's preparing for his next NFL opportunity. I really have taped this time to. become stronger mentally, physically, and spiritually. And it's time for me where I'm a fish out of water. I've never not known anything other than the Carolina Panthers.

And now it's like, you know, I want God to direct my path and put me in a position where I can thrive and be myself. But on top of that, there's still, you know, becoming better. He also kind of alluded to, you know, this isn't great timing being a free agent that needs to be physically evaluated, which is definitely fair. I mean, when you look around the league at places where he could potentially fit, I think when it comes down to, for me, with Cam Noon is I do think he does have football left in him. Yes, oh, absolutely.

But I think it's going to, I think it's going to come down to what happens in the draft, what type of trades are made, when people are able to actually physically evaluate him in person. And as we know, unfortunately, someone is going to get injured at some point. in the season. We know this happens. I don't, I'm not wishing for this. It's just the reality of the league. But I do think he will actually get signed somewhere before that happens because he is too talented. And even though he's not, it's not the ideal backup situation to have Cam Newton as your backup, because if your starter is struggling, fans are very quickly going to start asking for you to put in camp. By the way, ask yourself this. If the Raiders tomorrow acquired Cam Newton. Now they have Marcus

Mario and Derek Carr, so it won't happen. But like a team like, let's say, let's say Derek Carr gets hurt, Marcus Marriota starts, and they need a backup. Just ask yourself this. Would you watch the Raiders game knowing Cam could play? I would. Like, say what you want about this stuff. I've said this about Westbrook. He's great content.

Cam Newton in the NFL is way more interesting than about 20 of the quarterbacks in the NFL. The rebirth of Cam, Cam knew, Cam can play. I'm up for it. Like I said before with Baker. Baker drives me crazy. He gets me to a television. Baker Mayfield gets me to a TV. Russell Westbrook in the NBA playoffs, I'm glued.

Is he going to unravel again? So Cam's fascinating and he's good traffic and he's good content. And to Joy's point, he can still play. It's a fit thing, but he can still play. Well, that's why I'm such a fan of Cam Newton because this is my business. I like personalities. I like interesting. I like stories.

I want to watch something and be compelled by it. So if you are an elaborate human, that to me, that is. is more interesting. We want everybody to be the elites of the elite. We hold everybody to this very unrealistic standard. And obviously, Cam Newton was a league MVP and he played in a Super Bowl. So maybe we're just holding Cam to the standard of Cam. But he is a star by nature.

He has that X factor. So, yes, of course. I would love to see him with the Raiders. But obviously, that's not a good situation now after signing Marriota. So the NFL has officially announced that the draft this year will be fully virtual. Thank you. All team personnel. will be in separate locations and have to communicate by phone or internet.

The decision was made based on the desire to have all the teams operating in a consistent and fair way while some areas of the country have stricter guidelines for group gatherings than others. You know, obviously there's hotspots, New York, L.A., etc., Florida, some places are a little more open. So it really wouldn't be fair to everyone to have some people in the same room together, being able to communicate in real time and then have other people having to be apart. John Harbaugh is worried about text security during the virtual draft.

He texted the Ravens Information Technology members when he read about Zoom or other online resources getting hacked. It's a big concern. Hopefully we'll be okay. I really wouldn't want the opposing coaches to have our playbook or our draft meetings. That would be preferable if we can stay away from that. I'm going to be an optimist, which I am normally a realist. I'm a realist by nature. But in this situation, I have to imagine.

that with the concerns about your own technology failing, about making sure that you are doing the best that you can do while operating on Zoom or Skype or FaceTime text call during the draft, that you wouldn't also want to put on your plate hacking another team's Zoom meeting. I'm going to imagine that everyone minds their business and there's no funny stuff going on this year with the draft. I get the concern, but I'm going to have faith that nobody is going to do that.

Also, I can't even imagine with the repercussions of hacking someone's draft would be, I don't imagine your, you know, organization would recover from that. So finally, Danny Green was a part of a call between players and the MBPA to talk about plans for the rest of the season. And he shared that the league plans on doing everything they can to resume playing. I think by any means necessary, we're going to try to, you know, salvage the season. And right now we're fighting, you know, Michelle and most of the guys think, you know, that we're for sure going to have a season is just going to start, you know.

later than we expect it. And, you know, just trying to get the next season to be able to be pushed back is not going to be as easy as people think it's going to be. So all the things that you hear and the news and seeing and reading, don't believe that the NBA seasons canceled. That's not true. Yeah. So they're trying to do everything they can.

Obviously, that also probably plays a little bit into the fact that if the rest of the season is canceled, they are not really going to be paid. April 1st was the last guaranteed. Paycheck. There are LeBron James and eight other clients of Rich Paul's clutch sports negotiated and all you can get deal

that will see them get 90% of their yearly salary by April. So there are nine players that have that deal and less than 20 league wide have that deal. So most of the players will not get paid if the season is not salvaged

in some sort of way. The players want to play. Well, yeah, I mean, aside from money, which obviously like every, no matter how much, money you make, not making money bothers you. Whether you are Uber rich or, you know, living paycheck to paycheck, obviously there's no comparison to that, but everybody wants to make money. So that's part of it. But I do also truly believe that if it's a safe situation and they,

that you can't guarantee the safety of everyone, obviously. But if it's a safe situation or players feel comfortable, I think they do want to play the season. I think they know how important it is, not only to them in their careers, but to everyone who is at home, you know, wishing we had sports and you know wanting to see the season finished totally agree joy with the news well that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd line new brought to you by mercedes the best or nothing joining us now chris collinsworth owner of pro football focus great NFL analyst on nbcc sunday night football with our buddy al michael's played for almost a decade at at a high level for the bingles and a former florida gator always have to throw that love in chris how are you this morning

good call and how you doing by the way your gators are going to win about 10 11 games to bring the whole dang team back this year. You know that, right? It's best Gator team in about a decade. I'm ready to see that, although I was a part of the devastation that was the Florida Gators. My junior year, we

went 010 and 1. Now, you got to understand, we're at Florida. I thought I could win one game by myself, but we couldn't. And that was Charlie Pell's first every year down there, go 8 and 4 the next year and turn it around. And, of course,

and everybody comes afterwards. But it's good to have the boys back playing the way they should. Yeah, Gainesville's a great town, a rocking city, and I've been there many times, love it. So let's start with this. Your pro football focus is something I really rely on, especially for like defensive, offensive line play, tight end stuff, blocking.

You know, I can watch quarterbacks who I like, who I don't. You guys love Baker Mayfield. I didn't. You won the first argument. I won the second. We'll see. Let me start with this, though. I want to ask you a question.

I've said if Darnold is average this year, he'll get another year. Gase may get fired, but Sam will get another shot because people like him. He's been mature and he's a worker. If Baker struggled this year, he's had a lot of missteps. Some think he's kind of childish. And I'm not sure this staff would embrace him for another year. I think it's a maker break year for Baker because I do think he has talent. Where do you fall on him, Stefansky, and all?

all that in Cleveland. You know, I think with Stefanski being in his first year, he's going to get a little extra time. They are doing what I felt like they had to do. When I called their games this year, they were terrible at tackle. I mean, just terrible. I mean, they just literally could not get the edge blocked. And Baker's fairly mobile and he has the ability to buy some time. But I thought he got off of his game.

Yeah. some and in part because the protection didn't hold up, in part because changing the staffs and the whole thing. But I'm not here to make excuses for him or for anybody else. But I do have to see him. Obviously, getting Jack Conklin is going to help at the right tackle position. I'm going to assume that they're going to get one of these tackles that come off the board in the first round. This is as good a draft for tackles.

I've seen in some time. There might be there might be five of them in the top 20 and the draft taken. So I think they'll be short up at the tackle position. He'll get the protection he needs. They'll get a good solid offense. We had Kevin Stefanski as the number five play caller in the league this year, as far as the play callers and the coordinator. So they're going to get a smart guy there.

They're going to get an analytics-driven. guy and Kevin Stefanski. So we'll see. I don't know that it's a make or break year, but I do think it's an important year. By the way, I got Tua top of next hour. Where do you guys have Tua ranked in your young quarterbacks coming out this year? Number two, obviously, and I believe it or not, I was just sitting there, I was just going over some Jerry Judy tape and, and I just so you can't help to watch

Tua and what he's able to do. To me, he is the entire swing part of this draft. You know, just Washington make some kind of a play? Does somebody try to trade up? Are they willing to go away from Chase Young? Is Detroit willing, obviously, to trade back out of there? Or do they so desperately need the cornerback that they stay there and take him? What the hell do the Giants do?

I mean, I'm assuming they're going to take one of those tackles. Yeah. But I have no idea. But I'll say this about Tua, after. I mean, literally just turn on the tape off. I think he has great feet. You know, you know how great quarterbacks can put themselves

in position to throw the ball from odd angles and being able to do that? Well, he can do that. I don't think he has that kind of arm strength. You know, he's not Patrick Mahomes. He's not one of those kind of guys. But his ability to adjust his feet and put himself in position to throw is already.

I mean, today, assuming that that hit is okay, will be one of the top three or four in all the national football leagues. I like him. I think he is going to be the guy. Whoever falls in love, whoever moves up in top five, he's the swing guy here. Joe Burrell, my comp is Tony Romo. Good arm, not special. Athlete, aggressive, will make some mistakes, but we'll take chances. I worry about that old line and that division with all those good defensive fronts.

My comp is Tony Romo. you see with Burrell? You know, Tony Romo is not a bad one. You know, he can move around. He can do some things. I just think that he has, oh, God, he has some leadership thing to him that when I watch him play, you just feel this bit of a swagger and this leadership. And I think maybe the easy thing to do is go, yeah, I would too if I had those receivers and that offensive line and the team that they had put together in LSU. Let's see what he does when he comes and he plays for the Cincinnati Bengals. But I'm really confident that the Bengals are going to take him.

I don't think they're even going to greatly entertain offers for him. Mike Brown has been a guy, and personally, I'm of the same ilk that either you have one of those top guys or you don't. And Tua may be one of those guys, but we don't know coming off. off the injury and where that stands. And if you're going to go for one of those guys, it almost has to be Joe Burrow here. So I think the Bengals stay put and taken. Yeah, he's an Ohio kid.

He had an all-time year. I get it. I mean, I can be critical of the Bengals and their history, but I get it. He's the guy to take. There's two players in this draft. I can't see failing. I can't see Chase Young failing and I can't see Jerry Judy failing.

They're Alabama receiver. I'm not saying there won't be 40 great players. Those guys, even with bad coaching, a bad environment. They would just succeed. And you know, there's about Patrick Willis when he played at Ole Miss was that kind of player to me when he came into the NFL. It's like, okay, he's just going to work.

Regardless of how good his position coach is or the scheme, he'll work. Are there a couple of guys in this draft of you that are, you know, there's just there's no chance to struggle. They are going to make an impact immediately and be great for years barring an injury. Yeah, I sort of feel the same way about C.D. Lamb. I think that C.D. Lamb is one of those guys that I love watching him after the catch. I mean, it was amazing. I almost, my fingers were getting sore typing up all the massive plays that he was accumulating. And not so much before the catch with the route or whatever, but with the run after the catch, I mean, he just kind of blew me away.

I've got to tell you, I think that these, this list of five tackles here that I have, the Tristan Worst and the Josh Jones and the Jedrick Wills and maybe the number one guy, Andrew Thomas, out of Georgia, are all going to fall into pretty much some of that kind of same category here. The pass rushers, I think, are a bit of a, a big bit of a mystery after you get past Chase Young on the front end. and Isaiah Simmons can do so many things. Kind of hard to believe he's going to have a bad career. Derek Brown's not the pass rusher that maybe you're looking for if you're looking for that superstar player,

but I don't think you could be a bad player. No matter what you put into him, Jeffrey Okuda. And I've got some strange takes, to be honest with you, on some of these cornerbacks. We'll get into some of that on our PFF draft show, night and and be able to do it. But I've kind of got mine almost upside down. I'll give you one.

AJ Terrell, Terrell Owens messed it up for everybody for the rest of my life. I never know how to say that name anymore. But the Clemson quarterback, quarterback, yeah, he got torched in the national championship game. I get it. But if you can set aside free plays in that game, this kid looks like Mike Keynes, the great Hall of Fame cornerback and what he could do. So, yeah, there's some guys that I think are sort of, I don't want to say, can't miss,

but the two you named are pretty darn good. All right, Chris Collinsworth, by the way, they have a thousand plus page PFF NFL draft guide is live. Go to pff.com promo code score 20 to get 20% off a PFF subscription. Folks, you're at home. This stuff is great. I'm a follower. Go to PFF.com promo code score 20.

Chris, you're a credit to the broadcasting industry. You're a great dude. 15 times sports Emmy winner. Thanks for coming on. You got it, Colin. Just let me know, buddy. All right, Chris Collinsworth, who comes on fairly regularly. We like him a lot.

PFF is great. Yeah, they love Baker, and they were right for the first year. I was right last year. Now it's make or break. You know, it's funny. Like, I think Burroughs a very good prospect. Everybody thinks I hate him. I just like Tua more if he's healthy, but I think Tua also has a potential to get hurt,

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By the way, not a great day for the doom and gloom panic team apocalypse crowd. some good encouraging numbers out of New York City and Italy. So there are some good stories out of Europe and New York City, a hotspot in the United States with a virus. So Tom Brady came out with a 2,500 word essay on his time of the Patriots and moving forward to Tampa. Mentioned Bill Belichick by name once, by name once, but actually mentioned him several times in not so,

subtle jabs. So think about this. When we think of Belichick, Joy and I always joke, there's not a lot of warmth there. That's the word we've used. One of the first things he says is Tampa Bay, I really appreciate the welcome and warmth I've gotten from their players and coaches. Warpth? It's an interesting word to use, right? When guys go to new teams, you never hear the word. Oh, I love the warmth. Isn't that the knock on Belichick? He lacks that. Next. sentence, he goes, they want to listen to what I have to say. Well, if you started dating somebody new and say, you know, I really like him. Like he listens to what I say. Translation, the last guy didn't. So he talks about warmth in Tampa and they listen to what I say. That's

two Belichick references. Here's another one. He says, you know, for me, playing football isn't going to last another 10 years. How can I maximize what I do? So he's saying, I could have signed at both places. New England can't maximize what I can do. Translation, they can't draft receivers. We don't have enough good players. Tampa's got more good players. Tom is telling you, I could have chose either.

I'm going to the place that can maximize my talent. Translation, New England no longer can. Too many whiffs at wide receiver and tied in. He also then mentions him by name. He said when the Patriots drafted me back in 2000, I was 20. I remember I'm sitting in my parents' house in San Mateo, California, drawing less and less confident. The phone would never ring.

But late in the draft, it did. By the way, in the sixth round, it's not like Coach Belichick himself was on the other end of the line. I think it was his assistant named Burge. The only time he mentions it, it's to note that, yeah, it wasn't like Belichick thought I was going to be great. By the way, at the very end, he also mentions Belichick without.

mentioning Belichick. He says, but more than anyone physical place, it's the relationships I made in New England. He mentions Robert Kraft and the entire Kraft family in a sentence. It also extends to other individuals, teammates, coaches, past, and present. Mostly, though, I'll miss the fans. So Kraft twice, mostly fans, teammates, the last thing he puts in is coaches. Now, I believe the reason Kevin Durant left the Golden State Warriors is you can say what you want. When Draymond Green crossed the line is like, I'm not going to forget that. And Golden State didn't rally around Kevin. Kevin's like, I know this is probably a better team now.

I'm not going to forget that. January of 2018, ESPN the magazine did an article on Garoppolo, Brady, the organization. did an article on Garoppolo, Brady, the organization, all sorts of leaks. Not many appeared to come from Brady because many were taking shots at Brady. This was the Belichick side and the Patriot side leaking stuff. Remember, stuff gets out if somebody wants it out. Okay? That's the only way stuff gets out.

Watergate, somebody wanted it out. Look it up. You know, so stuff started leaking for that story. And several of the quotes were, you know, coaches here believe that. can win with more than Tom Brady. There's a lot of quarterbacks we could have won here with. That to

me may not be as vulgar as what Draymond Green said to Kevin Durant. But if you worked somewhere 20 years and you took pay cuts, and you were a team guy, and you carried Belichick's water, and you read,

you read, after winning a Super Bowl against Atlanta, you read, you know, we can win with a lot of guys, knowing it was either Belichick or people on that staff. Yesterday, 2,500 words. He thanked craft twice, fans the most, teammates, dot, dot, dot, then coaches. Because he may not know what coach dropped it. Coaches was the last people he thanked.

I don't think it's a coincidence. I remember, this was Tom's choice. New England was, quote, shock when he didn't sign. You look at the messaging by Tom. It's not just Belichick. That 2018 January article, several coaches on the staff. Tom doesn't know quite who leaked it, but it's probably the OC. It's probably the head coach.

Somebody leaked. We can win with several quarterbacks. That's the kind of crap. I've taken a pay cut for 15 years. I've taken a pay cut for 15 years. And you're, you could win with several of us? Okay. Good luck on the market. Good luck with Jared Stedham. Good luck. All right. Two is next. Roll-tide. My quarterback.

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I sort of struggle with that last name. Tua Tunga Vialola. Not that time very well done. I'm bad with it, but I love him. He's going to be joining me. Tua is going to be joining me. Joy Taylor. I'm just not good with that last.

name. You know, I was thinking about this. So the NFL is going to do the draft. And, you know, it's a phone business. I was in a draft war room, the Chargers a couple years ago. Here's the truth about the NFL draft. It's a phone business. Even in the years, we don't have the coronavirus. It's a guy on a phone in the city where the draft is, and it's a guy on the phone at the team headquarters. Now you're just going to have a bunch of guys at the headquarters, you know, each on their laptops. But that's all it is. It's a phone. business. And then the commissioner comes up with the player and says, hey, here's the player. And they hug and they put a cap on him. And then they, that's, you're just getting rid of people

sitting at tables. The commissioner putting his arm around and hugging him. It's going to be GMs and scouting directors on a phone calling the commissioner. It's a phone business. So the idea that, oh, the optics, there's blood in the streets. Stop. The media is so overly dramatic for the last 10 years in my life. I don't remember the media being this dramatic about everything when I got into this business in my 20s and 30s and 40s. I just don't. It's like, listen, we manage stuff. This is what we do as a country. I mean, we have mental health issues in America, 48,000 suicides annually in America. Do we solve it? Never. Half a million in a decade. Terribly sad. It's mental health issues. I don't think this country's ever taken it seriously enough. I think we have big gaps in our system for

mental health. I think it's incredibly sad. We manage it. And I don't think we do a very good job managing it. Lots of lives lost. We're going to manage our way through this. It will not be perfection. And, you know, some of the optics will, I can't believe there's somebody suffering in this city and we're doing this. We've got to have adult conversations here of pivoting now to economic concerns because I think as scary as the virus, I really believe this is 15% unemployment, abject poverty, children in terrible crises in bad situations, that scares me because that can go generations.

The virus is not going to last for 15 years. It's probably not going to last for 15 months. It may not be at its peak in America for 15 more days. We don't know. But so let's have these conversations. You know, the draft, I think, is one of the things, I think I said joy last week. The draft is one of the few things in sports that makes us all feel good.

It's a very hopeful moment. There's no losers. Everybody wins. All 32 teams are winners. Everybody loves their first pick. 30% whip. Everybody loves it. Everybody loves their second, third, a fourth round pick.

And your six-round guy, you're absolutely sure. He's going to be a sleeper. He's going to be Richard Sherman or Tom Brady. I guarantee you that. Everybody feels good about the draft. America needs to feel good. We have people living in apartments with four kids and they've been sick and they're scared and they're anxious. The draft is a wonderful moment for everybody to go, listen.

Instead of watching a lot of cable news, which is freaking everybody out and reading sad stuff, let's watch our favorite football team get better. Let's be happy for six days. And there are people out there that don't want to be happy. I tend to be more opportunistic, optimistic, excuse me, than pessimistic in life. I'm more glass half full than glass half empty. I think it's helped me. I had a very good mental health day Sunday.

I turned the TV off. I went for a long jog. I went for a long walk. I make cookies with my daughter. I turned the TV off. Played with a cat. Watch the funny movie. I just got off all social media for like nine hours.

Great mental health day. I also live in a state with warm weather. I have a backyard. A tiny pool. I have space. What about the people that don't? What about people that live vertically in New York City? They don't.

They need a break. It's cabin fever is Governor Andrew, Cuomo says. It's people need to feel good. Nothing in sports in America for five days makes us feel better than the first draft pick until the two days we gab about it after the draft. It's like five days of love. Everybody's happy. The whole world's happy. We need that. I would argue there is, I'm not sure there's been a draft in my life that had more value, intrinsic value. I mean, layers of value, psychological, emotional value. you. Let's not panic and doom ourselves out of brief moments of happiness. Let's not talk

ourselves out of that stuff. Let's not be overly dramatic. Yes, we know we have deaths. We know it's a crisis. We know it's something we're all struggling with. We know it's sad. Yes, you can simultaneously have empathy for those struggling and want happiness. Those can happen simultaneously. It's okay. We're going to get through it. Good to have you in, Tua, a tongue of Viola is going to be joining me in about 30 seconds to a minute now. He's been training with Trent Dilfer, my buddy. I would also say I saw yesterday baseball had some thoughts. They got a little in front of their skis.

Baseball is throwing out ideas, playing all their games in Arizona in the summer. It's 112 degrees. Today they scaled back a little bit. That's probably not the city I would choose. But again, you're looking for warm weather. You know, you're doing whatever you can. And baseball got a little ahead of itself, scaled back today and said, you know, we're just throwing stuff out there. But I will say for baseball, baseball is the one sport, not hockey, not football, not NBA.

Baseball still makes a lot of money at the gate. They got an 81 home games per team. Baseball more than any sport, NFL makes their money on TV, NBA makes her money on TV, hockey makes a lot of money on TV, and selling Molesons. Baseball makes a lot of money. you putting bringing your kids to the game buying beers buying a jersey because remember in america we mostly we mostly outside of the south where they wear college football hats for most of the country if you go to detroit even if you're an NBA fan you wear a tiger's hat like i grew up in seattle the seahawks are way more popular than the mariners but people wear baseball caps like you go to the

park you buy a cap baseball needs the gate baby we wear baseball in los angeles i don't see laker hats I see Dodger hats. In Anaheim, I don't see, I see angel hats. We wear baseball caps. So that merchandise, that feeling, that gate is huge for baseball, and they're freaking out a little, and I don't blame them. Well, you know, I think he's the best quarterback in the draft. I have said, I think he's Drew Breeze, a left-handed Drew Breeze. And I love Drew Breeze.

The leadership, the smarts, the accuracy, his ability to see the entire field. Nick Saban has said he's the most important recruit they've ever had at Alabama. He's 22 and 2 and 24 starts, 87 touchdowns, 11 picks. And I think he made Nick Saban a better coach. I think Nick did things with our next guest that Nick wasn't comfortable doing. I followed him since high school, and Tua is now joining us in the hurt. Young man, how are you? How are you doing today?

I'm doing good. Thank you. Thank you for having me today. I appreciate it. You bet. All right, let's talk. You wake up in the morning. You woke up this morning.

How do your ankle, how does your ankle feel? How do you feel? How does your hip feel? Oh, everything feels good right now. I woke up this morning. Actually, I had visits with the team, with teams. So I had virtual visits this morning. I wasn't too worried about my health at that point.

Let me ask you, when you talk to teams, You can mention the teams if you want, you don't have to. What do you guys talk about? What do they ask you about? Well, it's a little more in depth of getting to know you as a person, getting to know you outside of football. And then they get into a lot of plays, a lot of what you ran in college, and they'll go over some of their place for you to sort of regurgitate to them.

But there's been a variety of ways. A lot of the teams have done it. But that's kind of the way they've been going. You are a pocket passer with the ability to roll and throw. But I see you strictly as a pocket guy with very, very good feet. You know, you're obviously very athletic. Go back to high school. You could have run for a lot of touchdowns,

but you always feel to me much more comfortable sitting in that pocket, reading the field, and delivering strikes. Has that been you since you grabbed a football at 8, 9, 10 years old? Man, I can say, however the situation goes, that's just how I'm going to react to it. Whether it's me needing to extend a play with my feet or with my arm, you know, I wouldn't say it's either or it's whenever the time calls for me to get out the pocket or stay in the pocket, that's what I'll do. Nick Saban is known as a pretty conservative coach. Go back to your freshman year. You and Nick hit it off.

Why do you think he trusted you so much? He gave you more latitude. Did you and Nick hit it off even in your first recruiting situation? We didn't hit it off just like that. The relationship I had with Coach Saban was the same. same relationship any of the other players had on the team. You know, if you wanted to talk to him, he was more than available to talk. But other than that, I mean, he was just our coach, you know, he was just someone who we all looked up to,

especially because of the success he's had throughout the course of his years at Alabama. But I would say it kicked off more so when I became the starter of the football team. I spent a lot more time with him in his office. He'd want more meetings just individually with me. And we go about talking, you know, things that we can do to help the team. You know, what can I say to the team? Or just things of that nature. But that's sort of when our relationship took off was maybe my sophomore year.

Is there an offense, perhaps up-tempo, that you like to play? Now, sometimes you may go to a team that doesn't have the personnel initially to run the offense you want. But what is the perfect offense, in your opinion, for your style? I honestly wouldn't say I'm prone to just having one type of style offense because I'd say with the three offense coordinators that I had, we pretty much did everything. We went under center. We were in the gun. We ran the RPO game. We ran play pass, play action, rollout, bootleg, bootleg set in the pocket.

So I would say regardless, you know, especially with what's happening too with this whole coronavirus thing, it entails to all of us, you know, in life. It's all about learning to adapt to change. And that's pretty much the thing that I feel like I'd have. to do if I enter the NFL. Yeah, you know, I grew up with Steve Young, who was one of the great players in NFL history. He was a left-handed quarterback. I was a fan and a friend of Michael Vick, a left-hander. You know, I don't think people talk too much about it.

But being a left-handed quarterback, talking to right-handed quarterbacks, and being in camps for years as perhaps the only left-handed quarterback, is that an advantage to you at all or a disadvantage? How do you look at it? I've actually never looked at that aspect of my game. I just think it's football, whether you throw it your right hand or your left hand. Now I understand for the receivers, there's some differences, and for the linemen, there's some differences because the backside is now the right side. The right tackle is the blind side guy.

And also the rotation of the ball, how it spins for the receivers. So those are probably the two main changes that I've had to go through in my college years. But other than that, I don't really look at competition with other guys as, you know, I'm a lefty, they're righty. I just think of it. You know, it's just competition. You have very rare accuracy. You have a very quick release and a very rare accuracy. Is that innate?

Is it coaching? Did you have that eight, ten years ago? I mean, I just don't remember a college quarterback, and I've said this on the air several times. I don't remember a college quarterback who, whether it's a deep ball, an intermediate, a seam, a flag, it doesn't matter, a drag route. When did you really hone in and have a special level of accuracy in your opinion? And I would say it started from when I was very young. at about fourth grade, fifth grade. You know, I would attest a lot of, a lot of that to the hard work that my dad is instilled in me.

The amount of reps, the amount of days that we've put in, I mean, there'd be days where there'd be days where there's no rest throughout the year. Football was year-round for me and my siblings. And coaching was 24-7. and coaching was at home. Coaching was on the field. So I would attest that to my dad, my father. And then at the same time, I'd also assess a lot of that to the coaches that have helped me

and shape my game to what it is today with the coaches that I've had all my college careers and as well as my high school career. Tootunga Viola is joining us, Alabama Crimson Tide, 22 and 2 record, 24 starts. He's worked with my friend Trent Dilfer. by the way, give Dilfer some love here. Is there something Trent playing in the NFL for a long time? He's worked with a lot of quarterbacks. Are there little bits and pieces from Trent Dilfer, little pieces of wisdom?

Because Nick Saban never quarterbacked in the NFL, so obviously Trent can offer some things that even Nick couldn't. What is Trent little glimpses and pieces of wisdom has he offered you? Well, I don't want to give too much of what Trent gives me. but uh Trent Trent has been a huge asset for for not just me but my family as well

throughout my college process he's I mean he's he's always been there he's a phone call away and him and my dad have been in communication for for a while so kind of with this whole draft process um when we kind of reached out to Trent to ask and you know if he could help us to this

I mean he was more than welcome to and I mean just the thing with with trend i would say is he he's not he's not someone who's looking for for fame you know and kind of all the things outside of that really his thing with me is trying to help me become the best CEO i can of my i guess my brand or my my company or you know kind of as a person um but but at the same time learning from the mistakes that he's made in the NFL and sort of leading me in a past that I don't make those same mistakes. Do you have a gut feeling this morning talking to all these teams?

When you put your head down on the pillow at night, is there a team you think to yourself to a, you know, I think they like me. They talk to me today. Do you have a feeling where you're going to go? I don't. I don't. That's the scary thing. I'm not too sure where I'll be living next year.

at about this time because all the teams that I've talked to, they've been all, they've all been really, really good. So it's tough to tell. When I was a kid, I remember getting into a, I had a little motor scooter and I got into a wreck and it ripped up. I ripped, I got hurt. And I remember my dad saying,

you got to get right back on the bike. Because if you don't, if you don't get back on it after you're hurt, you'll be afraid to get on it. And you've had some injuries. How do you avoid to a, how do you avoid not thinking about those when you're on the field. Get right back on the bike, play, not thinking about injuries. How do you do that mentally?

Well, I think first off, the support that I've had from my family has been outstanding. The support that I've had from a lot of the fans have been outstanding. But aside from all of that, I mean, in the moment, you don't think too much. It's just something that happens. you know, you're playing football. It's not, it's not, you're not playing batminton or, or tennis, you know, where it's a non-contact sport. So it's, you got to understand that you're going to be taking some hits.

You're going to be nicked up and I believe everyone gets hurt playing, playing the game. It's whether it's small injuries, big injuries, a lot of the small things end up occurring to be big things. But, I mean, it's, it's not. something I think of too much. Yeah. Now, are you, how much can you work out now? Are you doing some workouts because all this social distancing stuff? Are you just doing personal stuff, weight room stuff, sprinting stuff? What can you do right now?

Yeah, I've actually just been doing a lot of weight room things, kind of still keeping up with my rehab. And then just going out to the park and just talking the ball around here and there. Wow. Well, you were an absolute credit to Alabama. I think Nick Saban used you brilliantly, and that doesn't surprise me. I'm so happy that you guys are working together, you and Trent. I'm rooting for you. I think you're a very unique, rare talent, like very few I've ever seen.

I've never compared another quarterback to Drew Breeze, and that's obviously pressure you can certainly handle. But you're a good young man, and I appreciate you coming on our show today, too. Thank you so much. Thank you, guys, for the opportunity. Thank you, Colin. Appreciate it. You bet. Yeah, I mean, listen, I usually do high, low, ceiling stuff.

I've never once compared anybody to Drew Breeze. In fact, I laughed when people said Baker. I'm like, that's an absurd. You can't do that. I look at Breeze and I see him. Leadership sees the field, accuracy. I just see it. Again, it is the injury stuff.

The hip stuff scares people. But that kid's a winner. That's all I know. 87 touchdowns 11 picks. That is, I don't care if he played at Alabama. Alabama's had, Saban's had 12 quarterbacks. None of them look like that. I'm in that good.

Having had 87 touchdowns and 11 picks. I'll tell you that. All right, good stuff. That was fun. I like that kid. Okay. What else do I got here? All right.

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Great to have you in. Many of you do not like Jim Harbaugh because of his personality and because he makes a lot of money and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I am a data-based fact-based show. I'm not interested in your opinion. Should be very interesting to note, however, that Las Vegas and Foxbat and multiple casinos have Michigan at nine wins, but that's not the story.

The story is that Michigan State is now at four and a half wins projected over under wind total. That means Vegas says that's the media, that's the number I would take with Michigan State the over, not much. Stanford's also now at five and a half. Isn't that interesting? So when Jim Harbaugh arrived at Michigan,

the rival Michigan State was averaging 10.6 wins the years before he got there. From 2010 to 2014, they were now second best program in the conference to Ohio State. 10.6 wins. You know what they've averaged the last four facing Harbaugh on recruiting? 6.8 crushed the rival in state. Stanford was a power with Harbaugh, beating Pete Carroll and USC. undertotal now last couple of years, five and a half. By the way, the 49ers failed in their first two attempts to replace Harbaugh before they found

Kyle Shanahan. Seeing a trend here? Well, Kyle and Michigan hasn't won a national title. They don't because there's five football powers right now in America and they do not qualify. Is that? Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Clemson, and I would put in Georgia. I would not put in LSU because they, before. for Joe Burrow and the coach Brady got there, they were struggling and they may struggle after.

I don't think they'll be nearly as good this year. But there's five powerhouse programs of the 120 in the country. They're not that. I do believe they fall into the next group, LSU, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Michigan, Penn State, very good football teams, 9-10 wins, playing major bulls. But Michigan historically has never been Alabama and Ohio State at its best. Or Clemson. It is a 9-to-10 win program academically tougher.

in a state without a bunch of players. They have to go to warm weather cities and convince kids to come in. Michigan's never been a great high school football state. Ohio is, Alabama is. The Carolinas can be Los Angeles, Houston, Atlanta. Dallas can be

not Michigan, so he has to go out of the state and get players. But if you start looking at the historic trends of Michigan, at their best, right, coach? They win nine games. Harbaugh, I take the over this year. Favor to win nine games. So he's right. And for, By the way, Michigan was winning six games the previous three years before Harbaugh.

He's added 30% wins. So, uh, eat that. All you, Michigan State rival in the tank. Stanford now, not very good, even in the pack 12. 49ers took two coaches to replace them. Michigan's winning their historic number nine. And oh, by the way, they were winning six before I got there. You like produce?

How do you like them apples? In your face. I love winning arguments. And so much. Enjoy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

I'm so immature. That was a good line. I never heard that one before. Major League Baseball has reportedly begun discussing the possibility of returning as early as May. The plan would include all teams playing games in the Phoenix area, players and staff living in relative isolation. It is also reportedly, it also reportedly has a support. court of high-ranking federal public health officials. Yeah. Who believe the league can operate during the pandemic?

MLB released a statement today in response to saying this is just one of many contingency plans that the league is looking into and they have not settled on that option or developed a detailed plan that they also said while they continue to interact directly with governmental and public health officials, they have not sought or received any approval of a plan. So why can't they just, you know, they're so caught up in playing seven-inning double-headers. why can't they just play 100 games? Like just lop-a, like why?

The NBA is going to have no problem, Joy, just going, all right, we're going to start the playoffs. Why is baseball so they have to play this vast number of games? If you played 85 games and had a great postseason, wouldn't we all be like, you know, I kind of like baseball when the games mean more? Yes, I mean, we all, for the most part, unless you are a baseball purist or you are, of course, an owner,

you know, commissioner wanting to make as much money for the league as possible. possible, then yeah, of course you're on that side. The baseball regular season is too long. It's too long. We all know that it's too long. We're pretty much all in agreement on that. This is an opportunity for baseball to be flexible, and they are likely going to have to be flexible,

or they're not going to get the season in. It's just too many games to squish together. Playing game after game like that is not healthy for the players either to play that close together in order to fit them all in. But as I said, this is a little bit aggressive, especially considering May to be the jump off for this. And as you mentioned earlier, Phoenix is quite hot. Yeah.

Which may be a good thing, but to have all of the games there. And then as far as keeping everyone in isolation, there's a lot of moving parts there. So like I said, there's a lot of details. Maybe for three weeks, maybe. But you want to ask these players to be away from one of their families for five months? That's weird. It's not realistic.

Yeah, it's not right. So Dana White is doing everything he can to get the UFC up and running. during this time. Yes, he is. He is already locked down a secret location for UFC 249 to continue on April 18th and for what he hopes will be weekly fights over the next two months.

But he is also working to secure a private island that will be able to host the events with fighters from around the world. He plans to fly the fighters in on private planes and test everyone frequently to make sure that those on the island are healthy. Habib was initially slated to fight Tony Ferguson in the main event

at UFC 249. 49 until the pandemic has him stuck in Russia at the moment. So he will not be able to do that. Justin, Justin Gaichi took his place. This is, this is a little more realistic. While it kind of sounds like a movie, I think it's actually, it sounds exactly like a Bruce Lee movie. This, this idea is actually more realistic because you are able to control the situation at a higher level.

There's way less people involved. If you're able to test and secure an island where no one is coming in or out of. But then, of course, you know, how long are you there? You're going to have to get supplies shipped in. But, Joy, I think they make their money in pay-per-view. So in the end, if you have a good-looking ring, you could have a ref two fighters. Everybody's, you know, everybody's got gloves on, by the way, including the official. This is a sport that doesn't make, I mean, the gates okay, but it's a pay-per-view sport.

So this makes total sense to me. Oh, yeah. I mean, as far as the fans being there, I don't even, that's not even something I considered as being an issue for this. I mean, obviously, you know, having the crowd involved is going to help any sporting event. But this situation, you can have these fights without fans. Absolutely. It's not going to be as affected as other sports.

You and I grew up with boxing. In boxing, there's a ring, but I can see the crowd. When you watch a fight in the octagon, the octagon, when I watch on television, I don't see the crowd. Like, I don't see it. I see the fighters in the octagon, the steel cage. In boxing, when I watch a fight, I'm always. always looking into the crowd because between, you know, you're always kind of looking and seeing who's in the crowd, famous people with the octagon. And that's nothing against the fans.

I don't even, I don't, I don't see him until Joe Rogan comes in after the fight and does the interview. Like, I don't even noticing the fans. Yeah. Enter the Dragon is the movie that I'm thinking of. Have you ever seen that? Yes, yes. great movie. Finally, the future of NFL training camps for the season are still up in the air, but if they do go on, heart knocks will reportedly follow two teams. According to Adam Shepter, both the Rams and the Chargers are slated to be featured on the show. It's the first time that two teams will be a part of the same season. The Rams run the show in 2016. The Chargers have never done the show. The announcement had been scheduled to be made during last week's

an NFL annual meeting, which end up being canceled. But look, I love Hard Knocks. I always feel bad for whatever teams get selected for it, because we get to see things that they otherwise probably wouldn't want out there, and it becomes a little bit of drama. But I do think this makes sense to cover both teams that they are in LA, and, you know, obviously are both available to be covered. But I don't think that the Rams are in the same position that they were in before.

I think the Chargers are in a better situation right now. And neither of those teams has huge personality as a quarterback. or even at, I mean, McVeigh's kind of the rock star, but it was, if you put the Chargers and the Rams together, you got a bunch of good players, but neither one I think by themselves has a ton of personality. Like Cleveland. But somebody always emerges though.

Yes. That's the best part of that show. Yeah, you're right. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. You know how I said,

Russell Wilson, he didn't make the all-decade team roster. And I do get, I would choose Brady and Rogers, too. I would. But I think if you take out the first two years of the decade and you count Aaron against Russell Wilson since Russell entered the league, I think Russell's about a quarterback who has missed no starts. And, you know, Aaron's been hurt. Not all his fault. I'm just saying, that's just the reality of it.

But there is a player on this all decade team that is absolutely not on the all decade team. Doesn't deserve to be. Nothing against them. Fine player. It's not an all decade player. I'll get to that in a second. Rick Buecker around the corner. I do think the NBA is going to lead its way back and lead us back out of this virus in terms of sort of the economic state of sports in America, which is a real economy.

We'll talk about that with Rick Buecker coming up next. Hugh Jackson last hour, former Raider and Brown coach too. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Last night, a blown call changed the game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source,

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It's going to be very exciting. Rick Buker's now joining us. So Bukes, I was thinking about this. Adam Silver was the first commissioner to say, going to pull the plug on this. And I also like that he said yesterday, listen, we're not going to make any projections. Let's get into May, which I thought was very smart.

I mean, do you kind of think they should resume as soon as possible? I think they should resume as soon as they believe that it's possible. And by that, I mean, the number one thing for them is to be able to test on a daily basis and get the test back immediately. It's going to be a distorted playoff. And I don't know that there's going to be any sort of regular season. There may be a play-in setup. They've been talking about wanting to experiment with that anyway, so that gives them the opportunity.

But look, here's the key. They want to bring everybody together. They want to isolate them. They want to create an NBA bubble. But they also want to make certain that while they are keeping the public safe, that they're keeping their own players and personnel safe, to do that, they need to be able to test on a daily basis, everyone, and get the immediate results back so that if somebody tests positive, they can take them out of the pool or they can quarantine them for two weeks. As I said, it's going to be an extraordinary situation. But the second that they have that, and what they're betting on is that the technology will be there for testing. Yeah.

You know, in two, three weeks and that they can then, then, or a month, and then say, you know, mid-May, hey, we're coming back June 1st. We're going to start. We've got the wherewithal to do this. And then it's a matter of convincing, actually, it's not, it's utilizing their monetary leverage over the players to get them to do it because they are going to be carrying the most risk. How much does Silver need the backing of his star players? Actually, you know, it's a difficult situation because in this case, the star players have the least to lose. It's the players, it's the rank and file who are going to lose money that they may never get back. That's right.

And so that's where it's really going to be a matter of putting the pressure on all of the players and saying, look, you're going to lose. You're not going to get paid. for the rest of the year if we don't come back and play. The reason that it's a high risk for them is not just the potential of getting the virus, but it's you're going straight into the playoffs. The injury risk factor is going to be enormous and you're going to be playing under very unusual circumstances. You're probably going to have to separate everybody from their families for, you know,

four to eight weeks. The players will have to make the greatest sacrifice. no question about it. But the owners in the league have the leverage of saying you guys could miss as much as, you know, based on if they're paid over a 12-month basis, guys could be missing a third of your normal paycheck and annual annual paycheck. And that would be a big sum for a lot of guys. Oh, far more than it wouldn't be. By the way, I think I talked to Doug Gottlieb on the phone at home the other day and I said,

I'm LeBron James. I'm in my 17th year. I'm having an MVP season. roster is just going to get older. I don't know how many more great years I have. I think LeBron wants to play, but I've heard you disagree with that. Yeah, I do simply because, and you're right, like, the clock is ticking. The team's going to get older. But think about how we look at this season right now. LeBron is the MVP. LeBron has the Lakers first in the Western Conference. A lot of people will give him the championship or something close.

to if we have no champion named this year it will be the year of lebron by default now if they come back and play he's at a major disadvantage and it's not you know it's not because there won't be fans in the building nobody you know nobody's going to have fans rooting for them no there's not going to be any home court advantage but he he set this up in order for them to have home court advantage he at 35 he may not have looked like it but it takes a tremendous amount for him to not look 35. He looks across the way, and he's looking at Kauai Leonard and Paul George and Yonis Anta Ducco, all these guys in their 20s, and he's saying, okay, wait a minute, we got

two to four weeks to get ready, and then we're going to play playoff basketball. I'm 35. The chances of that going sideways from me and the Lakers being the second oldest team in the league, it's a bad bet. So, and again, I say all this based on listening to the podcast with Richard Jefferson, and Channing Fry, in which they brought up all these things. And it was LeBron who just came up with one reason after another why he wouldn't want to play under the terms of what they're going to have to play under.

So I'm not, this isn't mind reading as much as it is. If he had said, look, we're first, we got home court. Like, we've done all this. I've done all this. I want to finish this. I want to win a championship. I don't want to quit on this now. If he had said anything to that end, I'd say, okay, you still end to win it.

Everything I heard was, this is a bad bet for me. Yeah. Is the NBA three minutes left? NBA, are they pretty comfortable if they do restart it? Let's say they have a 15-day camp. Would they just go right into the playoffs? Makes sense to me. Yeah, I mean, I could see them trying to have some sort of a play-in game,

or playing series, where you take, you know, whether it's the, you know, the eighth and the ninth, or you take the seventh, eighth, ninth, and tenth, and play for those last two spots. I think they would love to set up something like that. They've wanted to experiment with that anyway. But in terms of having, like, regular season games, look, the reality is teams that aren't in the playoff picture right now are close to it, I can't imagine that any of those guys are thinking that the Knicks and the Warriors are not thinking we're going to resolve.

resume our season. And so how you would have any sort of regular season games, I think would be a challenge. Do you think there'll be a big pushback from the media? Media generally likes the underdog, the NBA is the underdog to the NFL. What if they start back in a five, six weeks? Anything, any media pushback on certainly not going to hurt Trump if the economy comes back. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I think about stuff like that is will they take heat from the media if they come back and a player gets sick? I am, oh, well, if a, if a, if a, player gets sick or there's a rash of, you know, there's a bunch of guys who get quarantine. Yeah.

That is when all hell will break loose. And that's really what they want to make certain that they can avoid. Other than that, I don't know about you, Colin, but as selfish as it might be, I would love for us to get back to some sort of normalcy and have like real things happening on the court, on the field for us to dissect. Yeah. I agree. So you up in the Bay Area right now? I am, and after multiple days of rain, which had me really stir crazy, it is gorgeous out, and I am going to keep my social distance, but I am going to find a way to get outside today because, you know,

we live on the coast, and we're fairly separated. We're not in a dense area. I don't know about you, man, but the last four or five days, was taking the beginning of this pretty well. The last four or five days have been a little rough. No, absolutely. And I feel lucky. I got a backyard in a pool. And I'm in a neighborhood where you can walk around.

Believe me, I've talked to a lot of New York friends, 1,200 square feet, a bunch of kids. Brutal. Brutal. Can't even imagine. Yeah, either can I. It's really rough for a lot of people. Rick, good talking to you.

You got it. Yeah, I mean, listen, I can be, it's different. There's different experiences. If you're in Texas and you got two acres, this is a different experience that if you're in New York with 1,200 square feet with three kids. So it is, you know, the California experience is spread out. You know, most of the Westerns, even in California, you've got 39 million people. It's a big state.

You could put four or five eastern states on the seaboard next to it in terms of geographical size. And so I get to go out for walks, put the mask on. Everybody's got a mask on in my neighborhood that walks. You know, I can jump in the pool. I can do things. I have great sympathy because for a lot of people in New York, that is not their reality. I have a friend in Rome right now. He would not leave his house.

They were handing out fines in Rome if you walked out of your apartment and you did not go to the store of the pharmacy. So it is, listen, there's a lot of people out there. They call it Cabin fever. I think it's worse than that for a lot of people. Hugh Jackson next hour, coming up next, all decade team. One guy shouldn't be on it. That's next. The herd.

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Joy, how are you? Doing good. I'll tell you, the first impressions have staying power. And I think we live in a world now where it's one of the strangest things that has happened in my life. And maybe it used to always be like this. You remember, now most of you will never remember this. but I grew up with a show it was called Leave it to Beaver

and it was in black and white and it was a goofy little after school show and I can always remember stumbling on it on TV Land or one of these channels years and years ago and it was so funny to listen to the parents and they would be like you kids these days are crazy when we

were kids we weren't and so I don't want to be one of these guys that says you know kids are crazy and in the old days parents have always felt their kids are out of control. Always. And kids were smoking pot in the 50, 60, 70s. They were smoking cigarettes and chugging beer. And kids have always done dumb things and blah, blah, blah, blah. I think kids now are smarter than ever. My kids are so much smarter than I was. They're just, I think my kids are more

emotionally mature. I think they're intellectually smarter. I think they see the world much more broadly than I did. They're miles ahead of me where I want my son's, you know, 14, my daughter's 19. I think you're just way smarter than me. And, you know, you talk about this. One of the things that disappoints me in the media, and maybe this was just always part of the media, is that nobody really is interested in moving off what they believe. Like, I'm a conservative, right? And that's how I'm going to see the world.

Really? I'm a liberal. This is how I see the world. Like, my liberal friends talking about the virus, the first five words, Trump's name comes up. Like, who cares? Solve it. I'm not interested in pointing fingers at the CDC and Trump.

I don't care. Just solve this thing. I'm not into the finger-pointing business. But they're just so locked into Trump. I'm not into that stuff. I'm not into media-like. I've unfollowed so many media people in the last couple of years with Trump. I just can't.

I don't like him. He's not my type of guy. Not my type of president. I didn't vote for him. But he doesn't control my life. And I don't want to talk about it. And so, and I think is it first impressions or is it just we get so emotionally embedded with politics?

I don't know. I don't want to sound like old guy. Maybe it was like this in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s. Maybe it was like this in media my entire life where you were this side or you were that side. You were red or you were blue and you would never ever acknowledge the other side was sometimes right. I hate it. I just, that's just not how I live. I watch MSNBC.

I watch Fox News. I can watch Tucker Carlson. I can listen to Rachel Maddow. I just like information. I watch Bill Maher. I think he's a riot. I watch John Oliver. I think he's a riot.

But I can watch Tucker Carlson and I can be okay too. I don't, I just like watching people that can do and construct good rants or good arguments. And I'm smart enough to know that New York Times leans left and Coulter leans right. I can figure it out. I know Bill Maher's a liberal. I can figure that out. But I think he's entertaining and smart and makes me think. But it's maybe it's, you know, I just, as I'm kind of talking about all this,

with this virus, I do worry about, of all the sports, the one I worry about is baseball. Because baseball's a habit. If baseball doesn't play a season, we're going to go from October of 2019 to April of 2021 with no baseball. That is bad news for baseball. The NBA can overcome that. Why? Because the NBA is like Hollywood. They have stars.

You ever notice that Matt Damon, he'll do like two or three movies, and for three years, it's all we talk about is Matt Damon. And then he'll go hang out with his family for four years and we won't talk about it. And then he'll have two or three more movies, and he pops right back up. And everybody's talking about it. That's what Stars can do. Denzel Washington goes four years, doesn't really, like he's hanging out with his family. He doesn't see any scripts he likes.

And then Denzel, year five or six, has two or three great movies. It's all we talk about. Because Stars gain momentum quickly. The NBA's got nothing but stars. Your Zion, your LeBron, next year, KD and Steph, if the NBA season, they canceled it. It would be fine. I'd still want to watch stars.

Baseball didn't have stars. Baseball didn't have a single player right now with a $5 million a year endorsement. Not one. So baseball's strength has always been habit. You get into a habit. The game's on in the summer. There's always a Dodger game on.

There's always a Yankee or a Red Sog game. It's just kind of, you kind of go in and out of the season. You get in your car. radio, it's a habit sport. You get out of a habit in baseball, that's not good. The NFL is a sport we watch the regular season. We don't baseball. The NFL is a sport we bet on.

We don't bet on baseball. The NBA is a sport where stars draw us in. Baseball doesn't have any. So when I look at baseballs, I worry about it. And I guess my whole point on this thing is we live in a time now where the right-wing media will never acknowledge sometimes the left is right. The left will never acknowledge. Sometimes conservatives are right. And everybody is

stubborn and everybody's embedded into their party and then their ideas. And to me, we have to be flexible on this stuff. We've just got to be flexible to get these sports started. And if we don't give baseball a shot and we just say no, you're going to go a year and a half without the sport that relies on

gate people at the games and habit. That baseball was always the sport that you go to the newspaper. When I was a kid, you had like the sporting news, and you go to the back and you read the box scores. You up every morning and read the box go, oh, how did my favorite? I used to love Tony Gwynn. I love George Brett. How did my guy do? Because all the games didn't used to be on TV.

It's a habit sport. The NBA's not a habit sport. It's star-driven. It's like a movie premiere. It's you watch a handful of players. You're really into big performances. And we really watch them at the end of the year, just like movies. We really watch them in November and December. We don't watch them that much in the summer. But boy, we watch movies at the end of the year when the studios all stack up the good movies close to the award season. And we all go. We all go. to the movies in November and December and January. That's when they plan all the great movies. Same with the NBA.

We have certain stars we like, but we really start watching it, conference finals and the NBA finals. But the NBA's had lots of years where it was up or down, depending on how popular the stars are. I'll give you an example, Paramount. I never watched Paramount products, and then they put out that show with Kevin Costner called Yellowstone. And suddenly, I'm watching more Paramount content

than I ever have in my entire life. Why? Because they have stars. I hadn't seen a Kevin Costner thing in years. I hadn't watched Paramount in years. But if you have the right content and the right star, boom, you're back, baby. Just like that, I'm into Paramount. Just like that, I'm into them. That's what the NBA is.

NBA could not have a season and they'll be fine. NFL, we bet it, we watch it, there's urgency, it could be fine. I mean, people would lose jobs and there'd be money lost. Boy, baseball needs the gate. They don't have stars to bring you back. They rely on habit. And they also, where is the NBA Twitter, NBA, Twitter feed has 30 million, NFL's got 28 million.

I mean, baseball's Twitter's got like 8 million. Like, it's not going to get any social media momentum. Like, if the NBA missed this year, people by October would be so hungry for it. At Twitter, social media would be giving you all. The stars would be on this station. Baseball doesn't have those. They don't have the social media influence. They don't have the stars.

I worry about baseball. So it would be just nice if the people that cover politics in this country weren't so embedded in their side and we're less concerned about being right and more concerned about getting it right. Let's get sports back. Let's get the economy back. Let's have adult conversations.

Let's stop pointing fingers. Let's solve, not blame. But again, do I sound like an old guy because this is the way it used to always be? I don't know. Maybe back in the 70s and 80s, the media was this and the president was that. But it seems to me,

parents when I grew up were much more willing they were much more flexible like my mom and I would have discussions what do you think of that I don't know I think this what do you think of that well I don't know that's a very way that's an interesting way to think about it my mom and I had discussions we were flexible we weren't inflexible I don't joy were did you have flexible conversations when you were a kid with your parents no no my parents told me what to think and what to do and that wasn't really enough I'm just rambling but I think the world is different now, though. Social media has changed everything. Everyone on earth can have

an opinion. And they never move off it. Can be tweeted and have the potential of being retweeted 100,000 times and then in some person's mind become the gospel. So in a lot of ways, yes, the world is different than it was in the 70s and 80s. You could have your opinion and your mom could have a different opinion and your neighbor could have a

different opinion. But the only one who would know that you guys had difference of opinions were you three, not the whole world. It's amazing. I really noticed it during Andrew Luck. He literally walks into a team that is awful and they go 11 and 5. And people are like, he's overrated. And I'm like, no, no, no, no.

You were wrong. I was right. Deal with it. I'm wrong all the time. Admit it. Westbrook unravels in the postseason. Stop. It's over.

I won the argument. Stop. Like, stop being so embedded. Like, you have to sometimes admit, I mean, I thought Nick Foles had no, very little chance to meet Tom Brady into Super Bowl. That's wrong on that one. But you and I are in the opinion space. So we have a responsibility when we're presented with new facts and information.

To address it or maybe even admit we were wrong. But to someone who has no responsibility to admit that they're wrong, it's much easier to dig in and just insist that this was your opinion and I'm right. And you don't have to answer to anyone. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe the world was always like this. I think it was.

I don't want to sound like that. But it's just I watch these people and these political people. It's like stop. Just move off. There's new information. every day. If you're a pilot and get in a plane, and then the radar changes, and you're like, oh, we've got a storm. We're going to take off

20 minutes later and move to the right. That's what a pilot would do. If you're a surgeon and you go in and you do, you know, your scan, and you get it back and you're like, you know what? You don't have this. You have this. I'm going to change my idea of what I'm going to do. I thought everybody wanted new information. I thought the whole world's about, to me, every day I come in. I'm like, oh, I got new sourcing and new information. Well, the story changes. Like, it's okay to move off a position.

Like, it's okay. In fact, I like it. I'm going to do a new show starting next Monday called Flip Flop. I'm just going to go back and forth in all sorts of stuff. I'll be very satisfied doing it. Hugh Jackson, former Brown coach and Raider coach coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHard Radio app.

Discover matches all the cash back you earn in your credit card at the end of your first year. Discover is accepted at 99% of the places in America. that take credit cards. Go to Discover.com slash yes. Limitations apply. Hugh Jackson's, a former Brown's head coach. In fact, in his five of nine seasons as a head coach or an offensive coordinator, his offenses were top 15.

He was a coordinator with Redskins, Falcons, Raiders, and he is joining us now. You know, the NFL draft, I was in a war room of the Chargers about two years ago. And it's obviously going to be different, right? Like a head coach in one room, GM in another room. How much different? Do you think it'll be chaotic? What's your gut feeling on that, Hugh? I think it's going to be really different.

You know, it sounds like the facilities, Colin, are going to be closed. So it sounds like some of these guys are going to be doing this from home. And to get everybody on the same page and to not have the normal, traditional way of doing it, it's going to be difficult for all involved. Couldn't the league just say, I know, we've submitted this. I've said, listen, let's extend it one more day. Let's get one day for the first round and one entire day for the second round, because those are generally your most important picks.

And then rounds three and four on one day and five, six, you know, seven the other days. Couldn't you just, if you said, listen, we're going to give people an extra four minutes per pick. The first two rounds are just those rounds. I mean, listen, we're all looking for sports content. Do you think time could be a problem solver there? Absolutely it could be I think this is a very different situation for all involved

so I think something like that coming up with a different way of maybe doing this so that you give everybody that opportunity to be as successful as they can be is very important Yeah okay no pro day So you got four years of tape and a guy You got a senior bowl, you got bowl games

You got Combine, you got interviews But you're not getting a live pro day How much of a disadvantage? I think that's a big disadvantage because you just don't know if that player is the same player you saw at the combine. You know, a lot of guys drop off, quit working out, they disappear, whatever all that is. You just want to make sure you know what you're getting on draft day. Yeah. Do you, I mean, so you literally have gone to a pro day and you've seen a guy and you've thought, listen, he's deteriorated as a player.

Oh, absolutely. I've seen that happen before where guys just don't perform as well. I win the light drone. When you, if you go back, I mean, obviously everybody's at a disadvantage this year. If I said to you, how much Hugh is a kid's tape, how much is the Combine, how much is ProDay, statistically? Would the game tape of his college career be like 50%? Like how would you, if those three things are the key, the career, the Combine, the Pro Day. How would just split him up in importance?

I think the career is probably 60%. I think the pro day is 30%. And I say that very strongly just because you really get a chance to have the player do what you need him to do, not what he did in college, because he needs to transition to the National Football League, and he has to demonstrate that he can do it our way. And then I leave the other 10% for what you mentioned. Give me an example of an individual player that you literally went to his pro day and you told your staff, guys, he got, he's going to get picked by us because of the pro day. I got a pro day that really influenced you.

Oh, absolutely. I won't say the player's name, but I remember going to UCLA. And we did end up drafting his player. He worked out like a demon. I mean, and sometimes what you'll find, Colin, is sometimes these. players, they just don't have the proper training. And I'm not putting down college workout places or anything like that. But they get away and they get professional training and they start working at their skill. And guys can improve that. But I've also

seen some guys get bad fast, too. So it's gone both ways. But I did witness that at one time. To his injury, he's got bizarre accuracy. Saban calls him the best leader he's ever had. So Saban signs off on him. You know, if I'm the Chargers and I need a quarterback and he's there, you're in that room, let's say. What do you do about the hip and the ankles? We're going to make sure that we cover every last one of those bases as much as we can from a medical standpoint, from the information from his doctors, the information from the team doctors. But these quarterbacks are so hard to come by, you've got to pick this guy. The rules have changed. I was looking with my staff the other day, Hugh Jackson,

joining us. We went to the last 10 players who we thought in the NFL drafts were underdrafted. First, second round guys. Nine of ten were offensive players. And my takeaway is, well, the rules have changed. If you got to roll the dice in the guy, offensive guys are, you know, they're overachieving defensive rules now. It's not built for those guys. So are you looking at the culture of football now where it's specifically designed to elevate offensive players. Does that make a difference in your last couple years in Cleveland? Oh, absolutely.

Because you can see, like you said, the rules have kind of slanted towards throwing the football. So you start building a team to put yourself in position to win and compete within your division. So you've got to have guys that can throw it

and guys that can catch it, regardless of the elements that you play in. It's pretty well documented. You liked certain quarterbacks that Cleveland would not allow you to draft. And that's not a shot at anybody, but it's been pretty well documented that you were a little bit bigger on Wence and other guys and they weren't. So I look at Joe Burrow and I see Tony Romo. That's what I see. Not just the number, just his escapeability. Good arm, not super arm. A playmaker, an athlete. A letter rip guy. He'll throw some picks, but he lets it rip. I mean, I think he's a very good prospect. I don't

he's luck. I don't, I don't see L.A. What do you see with Burrow? I see a tremendous college player that had an unbelievable year that is right now the consensus top quarterback. But again, it goes back to that point where we're talking about earlier calling. I would need to spend a lot of time with him because you got to really dig down deep, especially to spend the first pick on the quarterback that, you know, you haven't been in the room with other than 15 minutes. So that's a huge decision to make. And so I would just need to spend more time. You know, talent is talent. Carson Wentz didn't play against great competition, but is a great player. Patrick Mahomes didn't win a lot in college, but he's a great player. Does it worry you that like a

borough or a Tua, I mean, especially Burrow, that may have been the best college roster I've ever seen. Would you be a little concerned that Burrough only had one great year and it may have been the greatest college football team of all time he was surrounded by. Oh, yeah. I mean, you take all of that into consideration, but the guy played extremely well. You know, when you looked at his body of work, it is concerning that it's only been one year,

but at the same time, he did it at a very high level, in a big time school and a big time conference. So, you know, you just got to kind of weigh through that and use your experience that you've had pickenies kind of place. At the Raiders in Cleveland, we're a couple of weeks out from the NFL draft, Hugh. Take me to where your mind was at two weeks out from an NFL draft. Do you kind of know what you want and where you're at with it? Absolutely.

You start to really start to set the board. You really take into consideration with the scouts, their information as you start putting all of this into the bucket. You take the coaches, evaluations as well. You talk with upper management about what's the vision again for our organization and what we're trying to accomplish as a organization and football team. And then you get ready to set that strategy because you got to pretty much know where you're going to be going by the last week when you get ready to head into the draft. When you say set the board, explain that to my audience. What I think that's the board is like who would we pick first? You know, there's going to be some discrepancies maybe a little bit.

You're looking for consensus to see who would we take what our first pick, regardless of where it is, who would we take what our second pick? Do we see the ability somewhere in there to trade or trade back or trade up? You've got to have all those real detailed digging conversations. Yeah, it's like this year Miami goes in with a bunch of picks, New England goes in with a bunch of picks, New England goes in with a bunch of of picks. Minnesota goes in with a bunch of picks. For instance, I don't think, you know, Minnesota has 10 or 12 picks. I don't think they can draft 12 guys who can make that roster. I think it's too good. Would that influence how you, if you got a really good, like the Chargers,

they got seven picks. Can they draft seven guys who can make that team? I'm not sure. They've got too many good players. Does that? No, you said it. Yeah, I mean, does that affect the idea of trading down or moving picks to next year? Holland, you just know that because that's what the key is. because you've got to be able to look at the players that are in the draft and see if they can truly contribute to your team. And what does that contribution look like? Are they going to be a starter? Are they going to be an upper-level backup right away?

Or is this player you need a couple of years before he's ready to really transition into the national football league? I think all of those things go into the equation. Yeah. Do you have a draft story, your proudest moment, when you really loved a guy and you sold him to your GM and you really push for him? Do you have one of those? And it worked.

I do. I do. I was proud when I was in Cincinnati. It was Chris Henry. Chris Henry was out of West Virginia and God bless him because he did pass. But he was a tremendous player. And I had so much respect for what he had been through and his story. And I knew the young man was willing to do whatever it took to work well, I mean, to make it work.

And so talking to Mike Brown, you know, we had great conversation. And he said, Hugh, if this is the guy you want, I'm a giving to you. But you're going to make sure that this just works out. And it did, you know, for as long as I was there, it did. So God bless Chris. Yeah. Hey, Hugh, good luck. Thanks for calling our show.

Thank you so much, Colin. All right, Hugh Jackson. Yeah, I've been spending so much time. You know, this is what I love the draft. I think Joy knows. I'm a draft nerd. And I like recruiting and all that stuff. I'm into it.

So, you know, some stuff. I don't watch a ton of regular season baseball. I'm not, it's nothing against it, but it's not something I'm emotionally moved by. I'll have a Dodger game on or when I was out east of Yankee game. There are things I'm fascinated by and I like the structure, the architecture of building football teams. So I'm in a-30% for a pro day though? That's a lot. That feels like to me it's a lot.

That's significant. Like I, I, to me, even in the interview, can't you just BS people? Like some people are manipulative. I mean, if I was being interviewed, I mean, Jay Cutler is really smart, but he's also kind of a pain in the butt. You don't think he manipulated people? I mean, they say Baker Mayfield, like,

figured out where he wanted to go and where he didn't and either did well in interviews or not as well. Like, the interview thing is, I mean, I don't know. To me, 75% to 80% of this thing is I want to see the tape, and then I want to see you go to the combine. I want to look at your body, your shoulders, your butt. How do you jump? How do you run?

That's 10%. Pro Day 10? But imagine. if most teams feel the way that Hugh does about pro days, I could understand why they're freaking out a little bit. 30% is significant. Yeah, gosh. I mean, you know the other thing about football? Like workouts, I get mad. Like, let's say in baseball, I work out a guy. And he throws 97 and he can just put it anywhere I want the catcher puts his glove, he can put it. It's like, okay, NBA, you go for a private workout and you watch a guy he can dribble both hands pull up shoot you're like wow but in the NFL so

much of the NFL is are you willing to play in pain so much of its heart and soul that's why half the NFL is undrafted how hungry are you i don't see i don't think you see that at a pro day how hungry somebody once told me this in the NFL they said in high school and college football talent you just run over people NFL's the first time the guy across from you is as fast, as strong, as tough. Do you have the mind to burrow through his soul, 70 snaps a game? In the NBA, it's not that physical. In baseball, you can throw or you can't.

You can run or you can't. A lot of the NFL is just, you know, it's like the UFC, Joy. You get into that ring. You're either comfortable getting kicked in the head or you're not. I'm a not guy. So, like, it's hard for me in a pro day. nothing in football pain, getting hit, playing fast. None of that is in a pro day.

It's all refined and pro days are about comfort. NFL is all about playing with discomfort. So the pro day doesn't do it for me. You're filmed, even the combine, there's a little discomfort because you're in your underwear and everybody's watching. And you're competing against all those other guys. In the pro day, I'm throwing to my college receiver. We've practiced it.

There's no discomfort in a pro day. Even the combon, it's like, okay, that DB just ran a 4-4. I got to beat that DB. There's heat. There's pressure. I don't know. I don't like pro days. I've seen a lot of guys.

Remember Kyle Bowler? I'm like, God, it's the best pro-day quarterback of all time. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, the NFC South certainly got stronger

with Tom Brady. choosing to go to the Bucks. Yes. And Saints' defensive end, Cam Jordan, has mixed feelings about Brady joining his division. What was like 9 or 10 when he first got dressed in his Patriots? I mean, this is going to be super, super weird. And the fact that, you know, he'll be in my division. It gives me more chances to hit him, hopefully.

You talk about somebody who's just been known as one of the greatest ball of time for all six Super Bowl. He's a winner. And for that to be in my conference, I'm not excited about it, but at the same time, I sort of am. I imagine that's how most defenders feel about this move in the NFC South. Because he hasn't played Brady many times in his career. Has there ever been a division? Think about this, Joy, in the history of football. Brady, Breeze, Matt Ryan, Teddy Bridgewater, in the history of football,

if you ever had a division, four quarterbacks all winning, I don't I bet you that's okay that one of you trivia mavens go out there every single quarterback has a they've been all been in the league at least five years all of them have a winning record I bet you that's never happened before yeah that's going to take a little bit of a statistical dive I mean Teddy Bridgewater's got a double digits above losses in the history of the world I don't think it's ever happened I love this I love this division oh my god offence city I still think it's the saints but But it's going to be really fun.

And with the addition of an extra wildcard team in each conference, it's going to make the regular season so interesting. If we did an all-star team in the NFC South, we just use those four teams. Look at the offensive players. The receiving core would be Mike Evans, Mike Thomas, Emmanuel Sanders, Chris Godwin, Julio Jones. And Carolina's got a couple of young guys.

I mean, you'd have five star in running backs. Christian McCaffrey, Alvin Kamara. I mean, that offensively, that division is, you have Hall of Famers multiple at wide receiver. So the Buccaneers revealed their new uniforms for 2020 today. They teased it last week. The team released the video and posted a bunch of pictures on Twitter showcasing the new look. They did give a disclaimer that Chris Godwin still has number 12 on in the video. because it was filmed before they changed numbers.

But they're not all that different. I mean, they're the old, they're the ones they debuted right after the creamsicle ones, I think. They're old school, but not that old school. This is new but familiar. So they changed the top of it, the top of the uniforms last year, kind of had a design on them.

You like the all, the all pewter ones. When I was in Tampa, they changed to those. And I thought they were great looking. I think I was just leaving town. and they changed to those. I thought they look great. I like anything that's unique. My favorite college uniform is the University of Texas.

I like that burnt orange. And I like Tampa because there's just nothing else like it in the league. I always said the Lakers home uniforms, like there's something about the gold that feels different. They don't look like every other gold in sports. The Lakers home uniforms, anything unique I like that's not gaudy. But you don't like the Seahawks in the uniforms.

Well, they're fine. I love their initial uniforms back in the, you know, 80s, 70s. See, I like the new ones with, like, with the neon. I think it's, I think it's unique. I like those. So finally, the NBA and the Players Union have reportedly been looking into rapid testing options. There have been discussions about the possibility of using tests that can run results within 15 minutes. These tests would, in theory, help facilitate the league's ability to restart, but the talks are still in the exploratory phase.

And there's no timetable on when the accuracy of these types of tests could be proved. proven pretty much all the leagues are looking into all their options at this point. And then, you know, as soon as that happens, it gets out to the news and then we start getting excited about the possibility of it. But the reality of these tests is this would really only happen when these tests are rapidly available to the entire public, not just the MBA. Because of course, when you're talking about optics and of course reality, if you have tests like this available, they should of course go to our health professionals and essential

workers first before the NBA players because that's obviously more necessary to all of our health. But this is going to probably start picking up a lot more momentum within the next couple weeks because we're looking into new testing options. But this would be necessary if they are going to get the season back up before, say, everything is fully back up and running within the country, which is what they're all hoping for. Good stuff. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. I saw in New York a lot of encouraging numbers. Now, they had their biggest death day, like 780 people, but that's called a lagging number. That is a final number. What you're looking for is trends, hospitalizations, ICU bed, people leaving hospitals.

Those numbers are very encouraging from New York. Death is a lagging number, meaning that's the final number you're seeing. But you could have already hit your peak and have high death numbers. Italy, similar to that, where their death numbers were going up, but they had already hit their peak hospitalizations going down. I see you beds are more open.

So there was a lot of encouraging numbers out there today. We've had Chris Collinsworth, Tua, Tungleavola. And let me say that one more time. Tua. Tula. Tula, Tunga Viloa. Tunga Vila. Tua.

You add extra G's in there. I don't know why. He has an extra a lot. I say what up G a lot. And I think that's what it is. Rick Buecker, Hugh Jackson. Coming up next, Tua joined us earlier. He is, there's a lot, there's a new,

a guy I really respect has a new mock draft. He's got Tua going to the Chargers. And so what we're going to ask in our best for last, kind of the spots I don't like Tua to go, the spot I love him to go, and the spots that I don't think are nearly as good as people think for Tua to go. That's coming up next. One more herd?

The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the I-Hard Radio app. Search heard to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Welcome back. It is good to have you in. Through another show, somebody texts me a buddy yesterday and he said, I don't know how you fill all this time. And I said, it's not easy, but there's a lot of people right now filling time in their lives. And actually, the NFL has, unlike the doom and gloomers, I'm for the NFL free agency period. I'm for the all-decade team being released. I'm for the draft. I'm for the schedule. The schedule generally has been released in April. I'm not sure if I can even

announce this yet. It's going to be in May this year. Can I announce that? I just broke that story. Well, they announced it would be by May 9th. Oh, okay. Generally, so it'll be right. It'll probably be early May. It'll come out. Okay, because it's usually April. Do we break that story? No, that's been out there. We've broken so many stories. I mean, it all, it doesn't, it never has a set date. It's always just a date as a deadline. I mean, we are sort of the, you know, we break Brady to the Buccaneers. We've got to break everything that. matters. Big James.

All right. Here we go, Joy. So Tua was on the show earlier today, and there's a lot of speculation. Daniel Jeremiah has got a new mock draft out today, and he's got Tua going to the Chargers. I do think there's, you know, listen, he's not going to fall below 10. And he's super talented. He's Drew Brees accurate.

But there are places that I think he's a terrible fit. And here we go, Joy. All right, Professor Colin, what grade would you give the Bengals as a landing spot for you? I think this is a terrible landing spot, D-minus. Unproven head coach. That division is the best defensive front division easily in football. Ravens have upgraded. Steelers are young and excellent.

Cleveland Browns, Miles Garrett comes back. They have an excellent defensive line. He's going to be asked to carry. Last year was the 30th rated offensive line in football. Now, their tough draft pick comes back, so it should be better than that. But I think they'll be overwhelmed. They'd need him to start day one. D-minus, this doesn't work.

work for me. What gray would you give the Redskins is a landing spot? I would give it a C plus. First of all, get a veteran head coach, Ron Rivera-Can coach, and they added some defensive pieces. Thomas Davis, the linebacker, Ronald Darby, the corner, Kendall Fuller. So what does that tell you? He's not going to have to win shootouts. Actually, with or without drafting Chase Young, the Redskins defensive front is really good. And they've added two starting corners and a linebacker. So he wouldn't be as the Redskins got him. In fact, they may start, you know, he and Dwayne Haskins, there's no immediacy that he would have to start.

So I think it works pretty well, but C plus being basically, it is still a rebuilding team. All right, Professor Colin, what grade for the Lions as a spot for Tua? D, slightly better than Bengals. Matt Patricia, this is his last year there. I don't think it's going to work. He's nine and 22.

I think Minnesota and Green Bay are better teams that have, a combined over 20 draft picks. They're only going to be better in Green Bay and Minnesota. I think Chicago, Nick Foles, is going to win the starting job. They're going to be better. So he's going to a bad team. He's going to have a new coach if he went to Detroit by a second year.

And they lost Darius slay in a defense that wasn't very good, their best corner. How about my dolphins is a landing spot for Tua? B to a B minus. A, it's a rebuilding team. It is. I think the Jets and the Patriots have really good defenses and so do the bills. If C.J. Mosley is back.

The Jets defense was good at the end of last year. It's going to be really good. Plus, they're going to draft a corner with probably their second or third pick, a starting corner. So it's a very good defensive division. They have added pieces, but Brian Flores, a defensive coach, Joy, has mostly added defensive pieces. Kyle Van Nuoy, Byron Jones, Shaq Lawson. So it is still very much a work in progress on the offensive line at running back at tight end. he wouldn't maybe have to start day one with Ryan Fitzpatrick,

but I would like to see him go to a team that's more formidable, capable with more veteran players willing to elevate him. Well, how about the Chargers then? What great do they get? A plus. Nobody could deny this. They are ready to win. Their problems were guard.

They acquired Pro Bowl or Trey Turner. Left tackle. They got Brian Belaga from the Packers. And, I mean, they have seven draft picks. There's not seven guys that. can certainly start. I'm not sure there's seven guys out of the draft right now with their picks that can make the roster. Also, Tyrod Taylor has a perfect personality. Smart, mentor, veteran. They're going to win games with Tyrod Taylor. There's no doubt in the world. If he just

doesn't throw picks, if he throws eight picks and not 21, like Phillip, they're going to win a bunch of games. So I think this is perfect. Comes in, either sits for eight games or the year, and then takes over for a general manager and a personnel department that drafts and acquires really good players. Finally, the New England Patriots. What great do they get? I don't think it's as good as people think if he did drop B-minus. A lot of pressure.

Don Terry Scarnacki is in his 70s. He's not going to get the offensive lines Tom Brady got. Again, I think the division is better defensively. Brian Flores is going to have a better defense. C.J. Mosley back. Jets' defense is better. Bill's defense to me was first or second best in the league last year. Also, they don't have any weapons.

They just don't. They just don't have enough weapons. And so if you will go from Alabama's weapons to arguably the second or third worst weapons in the NFL, that's a big jump. So I think there's a lot of bad spots. I think the charges are perfect. And by the way, Daniel Jeremiah's mock draft. I respect him and he knows this stuff.

He has two a going six. to the Chargers. That would be, do you know how happy I'd be? You think he lasts till six? Well, I mean, if you look at it, Burrow 1, Chase Young, Redskins, Jeff O'Kuda, Lions, they need a corner. He's got Tristan Wirth's very good offensive tackle going to the Giants. I would go Isaiah Simmons, but, you know, they can't stop anybody.

So then he's got Justin Herbert going to Miami. Maybe they don't want to take a risk. like Justin Herbert. Then he's got Tua going six to the chargers. So no trades. I listen. If you're Miami and Brian Flores, you may just say to yourself, Herbert's got some issues, but I don't have a health issue. He's a bigger, stronger kid. So Miami is going to double their win total. Just get used to it. If it's Tua, if it's Ryan, if it's Herbert, Miami's really an interesting team. I really like where Miami's going. They made a lot of really aggressive moves to South Seasons. And they very Belichekian. They went and solved

their corner issue. That's so Belichick. They saw, they'll pay the corner and they got a bunch of draft picks and they're going to watch them rebuild the O line and draft a lot of defensive players. By the way, Tua was on a couple of hours ago, the great Alabama quarterback. He opened up about kind of the, you know, the criticism about injuries and ankles and stuff like that in the NFL. In the moment, you, you don't think too much. It's just something that happens. You know, you're playing football. You're not playing batminton or tennis where it's a non-contact sport.

So you've got to understand that you're going to be taking some hits. You're going to be nicked up and I believe everyone gets hurt. Whether it's small injuries, big injuries, a lot of the small things end up occurring to be big things. I mean, it's not something I think

of too much. Yeah. No, that party, I've had NFL players like week four, you're playing hurt. Like you're just, and it's a edge of honor, you play hurt in the NFL. He did say during our interview that he talked to a lot of people, a lot of teams, even today he was on, you know, he was on the computer talking to teams. I asked him if he knew, had a feeling where he was going.

That's the scary thing. I'm not too sure where I'll be living next year at about this time. Because all the teams that I've talked to, they've all been really, really good. So it's tough to tell. Yeah. Listen, he's going to go high. Remember about, what was it, about three or four months ago, Joey and I were laughing about,

Tua's going to fall in the draft and we're like, you know, no, that's not going to happen. He's not going to fall in the draft. Boy, whoever lands with the Chargers, my lord, do you know the difference between Cincinnati's roster and the Chargers? If Burrough goes to Cincinnati and Tua goes to the Chargers, do you understand? That's like the difference between LSU's roster and Kentucky's in the SEC.

I mean, you talk about the Chargers roster, folks, you got to get over your hate for L.A. It's better than the Rams, by far. The Rams just have Aaron Donald. I mean, the Chargers roster is three corners, three legit corners. See tomorrow. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. And nobody's telling you exactly what happened.

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