The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Tom Brady, Dee Ford, overtime rule, and Russell Westbrook

Episode Date: January 23, 2019

Colin explains why New England Patriots QB Tom Brady shouldn't retire, the ramifications of Kansas City Chiefs LB Dee Ford's mental error, why the NFL overtime rule shouldn't be changed, and why the Oklahoma City Thunder is no longer Russell Westbrook's team. Guests include Nick Wright, Eric Mangini, Chris Simms, and T. J. Houshmandzadeh. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Joy Taylor, of course, as always joining us. We don't consider her a guest. She's part of a fan. Thank you. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. You know, I want to start with something that I think affects a lot of people listening to our show or watching our show.

Sometimes professionally, our jobs, our careers, sometimes the culture changes. And it moves away from our strengths or it moves into our strengths. I hear a lot of talk about Tom Brady retiring after the Super Bowl. In the last couple of years, I've thought about it, too. Yeah, it's going to happen, right? He's getting older and I get it and rings, titles. But I want you to think about this. There was a talk show host still his name, Stephen Colbert.

He was dying at CBS bombing. They were going to pull him off the air. He'd been on about six to eight months. The show ratings were in the tank. He was too old and political. That was the knock on his show. Then Trump got to the White House and the American culture changed. Politics is all anything.

Anybody was talking about. Politics was the discussion in America. The culture in America changed, and it moved right into Stephen Cobar's wheelhouse. Two months later, he had the number one hottest late-night show in America. Stephen Colbert was about to get fired. The conversation and the culture moved in his direction. You see it in the NBA where Dwight Howard's last seven years, he's been useless. Steph Curry has been invaluable.

Change eras, the opposite would be true. The NBA rules and analytics have benefited Steph Curry. Steph Curry is now what everybody is seeking. A small guy, not much size, can't defend, not very strong, but man can he shoot threes. Dwight Howard centers, professionally the sport has moved away from them. This happens all the time to lots of people. people are forgetting this. The sport of football has moved toward Tom Brady and, for that matter, Drew Breeze.

It is now a three-step drop. Get it out quick. Bubble screens. Accuracy. Precision. The American heroes in football for so many years were guys like Joe Namath and Terry Bradshaw, Brett Farb, gunslingers, who made big mistakes but had powerful arms. Cam Newton, 25 years ago, had a lot of Bradshaw, had a lot of Namath, had a lot of Farrv.

Big personality, transformational arm, not real precise. Brett Fav in today's NFL would be mistake prone. Joe Namath would be infuriating, much like Cam is. Rules change professionally. they often move away from people, men and women. But with Stephen Colbert, Steph Curry, Tom Brady,

the culture of football is moving toward them. Arms wildly overrated. Breeze no longer throws downfield. Tom Brady doesn't have a deep threat. But defensive lines can't get to Brady and they can't get to Breeze because it's a three-step and get it out league. It's lengthening's Tom's career.

I watched that game against the Chargers. Forget the Kansas City game. I watched that game against the L.A. Chargers. And that's a loaded defense. That was at the time the best defense in the NFL in the last six weeks of the year. Are you kidding me? He took it apart. It wasn't competitive.

It was 35-7 at half. And I sat in the couch and I thought, why in God's name in the new NFL would he retire? The rules are lengthening his career. The game is getting more analytical and smarter. And that brings me to what Tom Brady told Jay Glazer two years ago. He said, the game actually, because of the way it's played now and officiated, has never been easier.

I feel like I've worked hard to get to this point. So going into my 18th year, I've learned a lot. You know, I've learned, have had the experiences, played the defense, played in the big games. And I still feel like I physically, I can perform at a really high level. So I think now this is the time to really start having fun. I mean, every time I go on the field, I like, you know, I feel like, all right, well, I know what to do. I know how to do it. I know where to go with the ball.

And, you know, football is in some ways easier now for me than it ever was because, you know, it's just, I've been doing it longer. I've had the experience. And, you know, hopefully that experience can pay off. It has. professionally, sometimes it all moves away from you. And sometimes it all moves toward you. It's moved toward Tom. Win or lose the Super Bowl, he's not retiring.

Let me shift to this. This weekend there was a really, really big play, and everybody's talking about it. The Saints were robbed in the Super Bowl. I can't believe it should have been pass interference. It wasn't called. that actually, to me, I picked the Rams and thought they were the better team, wasn't the most life-altering play of the weekend. The most life-altering play of the weekend happened in Kansas City.

The play got a defensive coordinator fired, took away Patrick Mahomes Super Bowl, continued Andy Reed struggling post-season legacy, gave Tom Brady a ninth Super Bowl. It was the play where D. Ford was simply lining up off sides. Stands in the pocket. Flags out, balls picked. Balls intercept.

And this could be the game right here. Offside. Defense, number 55. Oh, can you believe it? That play is getting people fired. altering legacies. Dee Ford, that'll be on his resume forever. This is an organization that hadn't won a title since, what, 1970?

Seven, eight different things. Legacies, records, Super Bowls, completely altered. And there's this feeling that, you know, Patrick Mahomes, he'll get back. Dan Marino, every bit as talented or more than Patrick Mahomes, much like Mahomes in his second year, set records and was the MVP and then lost in the Super Bowl and he never got back. Don't kid yourself. Aaron Rogers got to a Super Bowl and he's never been back.

His division got better. He got more expensive. He ad-libed too much and got hurt. I look at Aaron now. I don't know how you could pick the Packers to win that division next year. How could you? Forget the NFC. Kansas City going forward has all sorts of obstacles.

The Colts have the best GM in football, nine draft picks over $100 million in a quirky dysfunctional division mostly. The Chargers in the same division of Kansas City have, if not the best GM, the second best GM in the league. They also finish 12 and 4, a great roster, and they're moving into a stadium in two years, which will be free agent friendly. New England has the best coach and quarterback in league history, 12 draft picks, and a very winnable division. Have you looked at Kansas City's schedule next year? I don't know the order, but I know they'll play at Chicago and at New England. And I know they'll play the Chargers twice. And I know they're going to play the Colts and the Ravens and the Packers and the Vikings.

I know they're going to play seven playoff teams. And that doesn't include the Vikings or Aaron Rogers and the Packers. Don't kid yourself. You think the replay, the outrage in New Orleans was the big. moment of the weekend. D. Ford simply lining up off sides, got a coordinator fired, Tom to his ninth Super Bowl, it'll never leave D. Ford's resume. Patrick Mahomes like a Dan Marino has 10 to 12 great years left. There are no guarantees in the AFC. Belichick still there. So is Brady. Colts and Chargers have great GM.

It's a tough division. Denver, well-run, usually we'll figure out their quarterback position. That play to me. A lot of players in this league just play. A handful of them think while they play. That mental error, to me, hands down, the most transformative life and game-altering play of the weekend. All right, good to have you in. You know, there's been a lot of discussion this week, and it's actually been very, very interesting about fairness in sports. I mean, we all want fairness, right? Like you want your kids to be treated fair. You want your family to be treated fair.

You want your teen to be treated fair. But I think what we often see in society is the mythology of fairness. And that there is very little fairness, and you can't govern it. You can change laws. The rich were rich 50 years ago. The gap is widened today as taxes have gone up. The mythology of fairness and why the NFL overtime rule is absolutely the fairest overtime rule. That's coming up.

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Oh, man, I wish it was like college. NFL Zumpfail. I don't like the overtime rule. at all. It's interesting. Data came out yesterday. In the NFL, the overtime coin toss winner wins outright in the NFL 52% of the time, and in college 55. Oh, wait. The NFL is more fair, statistically. The college football overtime, it should be noted, eliminate special teams. That doesn't feel like football. It mostly eliminates defense. That doesn't feel like football. Everybody starts in field goal range. You know what, you know what college football overtime is?

The mythology of fair. It's the parent that takes away the eye phone to ground their kid and by the end of dinner they give it back. They just don't have the stomach for it. The college football overtime is paralyzed by being fair. We do this in society all the time. We're going to give you both the ball. Okay. And we're going to put you both in field goal range. Okay. Well, what if we're tied, then we're going to give you both the ball again, and we're going to put you both in field goal range. And you know who wins in college football over time? The team that's less exhausted as the score is 64 to 62. You ever watch one of these puppies going to three and four and five? You're so paralyzed by being fair. It's exhausting. The NFL says this to you.

Bro, you can both have the ball, you know, as long as you can make one stop, and they don't go 80 yards on you. And then you both get the ball. By the way, this weekend, Rams didn't get the ball in overtime. And one, Chiefs didn't get the ball and lost. So it was right along the data.

It was 50-50. Two overtimes this weekend, it played out to the NFL average. The other thing about football, pro football, and football in general, has never been about equal possessions. Very rarely does a football game end, you had 10 possessions, and I had 10 possessions. That's never been a moral dilemma in football.

A moral dilemma would be, okay, Patriots get to play with helmets, Chiefs don't get to play with helmets. That would be unfair. Okay, Rams, you get up playing pads. Chiefs, you have to play like in your underwear. That would be a moral physical disadvantage. Where have we ever struggled with? I didn't get the same number of possessions.

that's never been a moral dilemma in football. To me, I've always said it's very easy. We don't like the coin toss. Nobody earns it. It's too random. It's too arbitrary. I get that. I hear that a lot. I'm listening. So my overtime rules have always been simple. Football, more than any sport, home field means very little in the NBA, soccer, hockey. In football, you can't audible on the road.

Audubling is what defines Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Drew Breeze's careers, not their athletic ability or arm strength. So we eliminate the coin toss. The road team gets the ball first because football is designed for the home team to win. Look at the numbers. And the road team can defer the ball

if they're the bears and have a great defense. Or if they're the patriots and like their offense, they can take the ball. It's up to them. They just have a choice. We give them, hey, your person. paralyzed by fair in this whole thing. All right.

Isn't it fair that you give the road team the choice? Well, wouldn't it be more fair for the home team to get it since they earned it by winning more regular season games? Well, remember, though, in the regular, you can't change overtime rules regular season to playoff. They are different already. Well, I mean, don't you want to, within the game structure, have a rule that's set in stone the entire seat? Well, I agree that they should be the same throughout the entire season. I don't like ties. How about week one?

Who gets the ball? Because there is no better record. How about week two? I don't have a problem with the coin flip as long as both teams get an opportunity to score. Most people do have a problem with the coin flip. That's a big part of the discussion. It's too arbitrary. I think it's arbitrary in the way that it is in the playoffs because the playoff rules are different because you can't end in a tie.

And since the overtime rule changed in the playoffs, the coin toss winner winning percentage is 83. point three percent. It's much, much higher. What are you shaking your head out? Is that not? That's not true? No. The winner of the coin toss since they change the rule wins just under 53% of the time. But they're different rules because you can't

tie. I'm saying I don't have a problem I don't have a problem with the coin toss as long as both teams get an opportunity to score. Well, it's not a different rule. They will not allow it to end one way. But the rules are the same, which is you flip a coin, somebody gets it. And the team that gets the coin, offense can close the game out with

the touchdown. But don't you think that if the chiefs had gone and won, that everyone would still be yelling, well, we didn't get an opportunity to see Tom Brady? No, I don't. I think there's so much anti-New England bias. It's palpable. I think a big part of this is outside of Massachusetts, America hates the Patriots. America hates the Yankees. They hate Duke. They hate the Patriots. They're increasingly, they hate the Warriors. We tend to watch. Now, we watch them. We watch the Warriors, and we watched LeBron in the East and we watched the... But we hate them and we think there's a sense of unfairness.

Duke is too, I don't know, privileged and the Golden State added superstars and the patriots are cheating. And I think the whole thing is there is this thing in America where we are seeking perfect fairness and it's mythology. No, I'm with you.

I don't think that fairness actually exists. It's not something that is achievable just in theory. But I think that... that the way that the rules have changed to favor the offense, both teams should get an opportunity to get the ball. And those two overtime games were a good example. One went one way, one went the other.

I just think that had the chiefs won the coin toss gone down and won, the way that that game was going, there would be a bunch of people saying, Tom Brady is the greatest ever in those moments. We should have had seen an opportunity for Tom Brady to go down and do what he does. And that would have, because people would have said, oh, well, the chiefs, they just got there because they won the coin toss. It would have gone either way.

that game. Well, Drew Brees is a Hall of Famer. Best Home Field Advantage got it and lost. And so I don't think, I, I contend that this weekend was the perfect example of how overtime works in the NFL, is that one team won the coin flip and won, and one team won it and lost, and one home team lost, one home team won, that this is the great parody sport. And we've never been paralyzed by possessions. So why are we paralyzed here? And for the record, this idea that if you get the ball first, you generally win. It's not true. It's very difficult. There's only one Tom Brady in the league.

Most of the teams that get it do not drive down. Drew Bree is a Hall of Famer. He didn't drive down. Generally speaking, I don't have the numbers in front of you. Both teams do get the ball. What Brady did sounds like it happens all the time. Mitch Tribesky gets that ball. He doesn't drive down.

I mean, Philip Rivers, as good as he is, probably doesn't drive down. Most of the time, it is two possessions. I don't want people to think that this is the way it always works. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but generally, I would say overwhelmingly, both teams, overtime works like the Saints Rams game, both teams got it. It's rarely just the team gets it, goes down, scores a touchdown. A joy with the news.

No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. If I've learned anything about during my time experiencing Tom Brady in Miami and with the Steelers, it's don't give him a bulletin board material. Talked about it yesterday. They thrive on that. Well, Ram's safety, John Johnson III, did that yesterday.

He was the one who picked off Brady in overtime. So clearly he's feeling good about himself now. Oh, boy. He's an all-time great. He's been to Super Bowl, what, like nine times? So, I mean, oh, he's beatable, though. So, I mean, we just can't go in there with the mindset of, oh, it's Tom Brady. Like, he's definitely beatable, so we're going to go on there and give him to go.

That doesn't feel too taunty to me. That feels like random kid asked a question. What do you make of it? That doesn't bother me. I know it doesn't. Here's the problem. There's nothing wrong with what he said at all, in theory. The problem is people like headlines, so they're going to pull just that little bitty quote.

He's definitely beatable, and they're going to. And it plays right in the current Patriot narrative, which is, look it, we're no good here. Yeah. We're terrible. We're definitely beatable, which is the truth. You are beatable. But it's just that's how it's going to work. And Tom Brady does pay attention to these things.

You remember he ran down and got in the face of that Steelers safety, Anthony Smith, when he guaranteed a win. Obviously, the situation with Richard Sherman. Also, by the way, Tom versus Time documentary, he's watching all these shows. And he, by the way, he and a producer, Deepak Chopper's son, I believe, created it. And Tom was adding and splicing and I want this and that. The idea that Tom doesn't watch and hear what everybody says, oh, God, yes, we know we've always done that. Well, he definitely listens to you because you said they have no skill players. And that was the first thing he said to Adelman.

Edelman. All right. So at the Senior Bowl last year, Brown's GM, John Dorsey knew he wanted Baker Mayfield at number one. Yeah. And a year later, Baker holds the record for most touchdown passes as a rookie with 27, and he's a leading contender for offensive rookie of the year. Yeah. And Dorsey thinks the best is yet to come.

At Senior Bowl practice yesterday, he said, I like everything about his makeup. I like how his teammates really rally behind him. I like how he shows that fighter's spirit. He's dynamite in the red zone. He's mature beyond his age group. and I'm just happy he's a member of this organization and I can't wait to see what he does next year. Mature beyond

his age group? Grabbing your junk is not mature beyond your... That was a couple years ago. He does a lot of junk grabbing. He is like the king of... He does not. He does the junk grabbing king. And he has a sense of humor about it. You like the... Well, I do like his piece with... I thought his piece with...

With Cooper Manning was good. He's very funny. Listen, I was thinking about this. I drive home and I don't... You know, I kind of drive home and I kind of come down from the show. You may listen to music. And I'm thinking about what I talked about in the show. At the end of the show, we talked about Baker Mainfield.

I like him, actually. There's a lot I like about him. Not just his accuracy, but he is kind of a tough kid. He's an overachiever. He's a walk-on. You got to get rid of the junk stuff. I'm not into that at all. When was the last time we did?

I was in college. Last year, at the end of the year, he did a sideline gesture that got a $7,000 fine by doing it was not junk grabbing. and it was junk illuminating. He's doing way too much with his junk. That's all I'm saying. I don't know. I don't know anything about that. All I know is there's a lot,

going to be a lot of expectations on them next year with the moves that they've made. I'm pro junk, just mine, and it's private. Getting out of the rails. Finally, the speculation is over. Larry Fitzgerald will be back with the Arizona Cardinals. In 2019, he signed a one-year deal to return for his 16th season. And this morning, he posted on social media with the caption,

a fire burned inside of me, my rookie year, a desire over all else would be great to excel in the field to impact the lives of others off of it. I'm grateful that the fire still burns just as bright today and that this organization has let me chase that fire for well over a decade. Nothing excites me more than continuing to chase greatness with everyone here on and off the field. Let's get to work. Hashtag year 16. I love Larry Fitzgerald. He's at first ballot hallfamer for sure. But this is huge for Josh Rosen and for Kingsbury to have a veteran like Larry Fitzgerald, who's unique all in his own.

But coming back and being in that situation and offering some stability, I think it's really important. My two favorite humans in the league. Let's take Brady out. That's unfair. But I would say Brady, Fitzgerald, Russell Wilson. Just love them as people. I love Larry Fitzgerald. He did a sideline interview about a year ago.

Remember I came on the air the next day? He did a sideline interview. He was fascinating. He travels the world. He gave these incredible answers on the sideline. And you're like, very rarely do I watch a pro athlete and think, I got, I would go to, I want to go to dinner and ask him a hundred questions. Well, he's very low-key guy. Oh, he's just, he's the best.

But he's very consistent. Like I said, he's a first round hall of famer. He's number two in career receiving yards behind Jerry Rice by more than 6,000 yards. But he could still pass Tony Gonzalez for second on career receptions list. He needs 23 catches to pass Tony. So all time great. Good stuff. Joy Taylor with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. All right. Overtime rules got Joy and I arguing. Let's go to Nick Wright via the Cowher Global Satellite Network. Co-hosts, first things first. You know, I've spit out my overtime belief system that football's not about fairness.

College football's got a mythology of fairness, but in the end, the less exhausted team wins. What do you make of overtime? What would you do? Well, college football's overtime is entertaining, but it's absurd. Be entertaining to have NBA overtime go to a two-on-two contest or a horse competition. but we don't do that. Like, college football overtime throw that out. And I say this as someone from Kansas City who the most heartbreaking sports loss of my life

was Sunday, a Sunday that when it looked like the Patriots were going to win before Patrick Mahon's mount at the comeback, you called me. And for the first time in our relationship, I gave you the bleep you button, not answering this. And so I have all the reason to be bitter about the way that game ended. but overtime. The goal of sports is to win in regulation. If it goes to overtime, you have failed your goal. Fairness goes out the window. There was nothing unfair about the way that game ended for Kansas City. And by the way, they had a third and ten to force a punt and where then a field goal would win it for them.

Then another third and ten to force a punt. Once again, where a field goal would win it for them. then a third and 10 to force a field goal where a touchdown would win it for him. They had three opportunities to get off the field and they simply couldn't do it. I have no issue with the NFL overtime whatsoever. The numbers that you were alluding to earlier are this. The same percentage of teams that win home versus road in regulation, when home versus road in overtime under the new format. I do like that they eliminated that a field goal could win it on the very first possession.

Now that they've tweaked that, they don't need to tweak anything else. By the way, you know, the D-Ford play didn't get nearly the discussion. It wasn't the talking point of the pass interference call. But I, you know, the D-Ford play got people fired. And Patrick Mahomes could very well be Dan Marino. I don't think it will happen. But Marino in his second year was MVP set records and never got back. There are clear obstacles in the AFC and, frankly, in his own division with the Chargers.

The impact of D-Ford to me is the most. under-talked, discussed play of the weekend. You're from Kansas City. What do you make of it? Yeah, I mean, it's the most tragic sports moment of my life. I mean, your golden god, Tom Brady throws his third awful interception of the game. Up to that point, Brady had been the weak link in the game for the Patriots. D. Ford lines up six inches off sides. And then Brady does his Michael Myers act, which is, oh, you didn't actually kill me. Now, kill you. From that moment forward, he completed five passes. They were all for first downs. Four of those five were on third down. Three of those five were third and tens. He was perfect from

that moment forward. But of course, listen, narratives all change based on that moment right there, whether it's Andy Reid's legacy, Bob Sutton's job, Patrick Mahomes would have been one game away from completing the single greatest quarterbacking season ever, full stop. Not for a young quarterback first year for any quarterback ever, but instead that happened. And so just add it to the list of Chief's heartbreak, but I'm glad you're giggling about it as I want to come through the screen at you right now. Well, you're just a very talented, funny guy. All right, we got two approaches.

The Rams went trades, divas, free agency, high risk. The Patriots are system, mostly players. take pay cuts or they're gone. There are two approaches. I mean, it's really old guard, new guard. What do you make of that? Going forward, which one wins? Your takeaway on really the dichotomy of the way both these were built.

Well, knowing what you know about me, which one do you think I like? The stars. I love that what the Rams have done is working. I love it. I've always believed locker room chemistry is overrun. give me talent. And what you're seeing is they did, I think, a smart thing, which is a lot of the locker room issue guys, Talib, Peters, Sue, on one side of the ball with the veteran D coordinator, and on the other side of the ball is a much more, I would say, stable group led by their major

free agent acquisition two years ago, Andrew Whitworth, their excellent left tackle. They trade for Brandon Cooks. He's never been a personality issue. I think what the Rams are, are doing is more duplicable than what the Patriots are doing. What the Patriots infrastructure needs is the greatest coach ever, one of the most selfless athletes ever in Brady, who doubles as the greatest quarterback ever, and the infrastructure of we've been here for 20 years. I think a lot of people can do what the Rams did.

The team you mentioned that all of a sudden is going to be the dolphins of the 80s. I'm not assigning it to them yet. The chiefs should take that approach next year. You still got Mahomes on his rookie deal. Your offense is set. Bring in a bunch of mercenaries on defense and kickstart this team into a true Super Bowl, not only contender but favorite. I love what the Rams are doing.

And I think if they're going to win this Super Bowl, that defense is going to have to be great. Your guy Brady's only lost 10 career playoff games, which is crazy. Been to nine Super Bowl's 10 playoff losses. Only two of them have been in a shootout. The Peyton Manning comeback in 06 and last year's Super Bowl. Every other Patriots playoff loss, they've been held to 21 or fewer. The way to beat these guys, it's very difficult, but is to stymie their offense not to try to keep up with it. By the way, you know what?

I was just thinking about this as you talked. The Warriors drive you crazy. They're going to win again. The Patriots drive you nuts. They could win again. You love Westbrook, and he's now the second best player in his team. That's not even arguable right now. it has been a rough couple years.

I just want to say thank you for holding it together. You have had a terrible two-year run. Oh, I thought there was a question. No. Oh, it's just you taunting me. Okay, that's fun. All right, so here's this. I would like if you could, if my friends,

John Galeigh or Sam Battest or any of the great Dave Pagan production folks, if you could just run back at some point in the show, this amazing Colin Cowherd quote, which is, you know my two favorite people in sports, throw out Brady. Well, Tom Brady. You couldn't even help yourself.

You were trying to list Russell Wilson and Larry Fitzgerald. And then you were like, wait, but I can't leave out Brady. I can't not mention Brady. I shouldn't mention Brady. Throw out Brady. First Tom Brady. Everyone know it's Tom Brady. Yeah.

It's ridiculous. It is. Just ridiculous. Yeah, listen, it's fun to be you. Just pick the favorites every year. Oh, oh, who do I got? I got the Warriors. I got the Patriots.

I think Duke's going to be good. Real fun. Way to go out on a ledge, Cowherd. Nick Wright. First things first. Good seeing you, buddy. That whole loyalty thing. Next time you call me, same thing. The goodbye button.

He did. He just goodbyeed me all weekend. I wasn't taunting him. I was just reminding him that they were going to lose to the Patriots. I was consoling him. Exactly. I wanted to help my friend who was losing to my favorite team of all time in a humiliating fashion. Coming up next, at this time of the year, I always feel the same way about sports. My whole life, except this year. And I'll explain that coming back.

Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Cold and flu season. Try Vix Synex nasal spray. Works up to 12 hours. Be ready when congestion strikes. Vix. Synx, nasal spray. Use as directed. What I do for a living's, um, it's pretty simple. I kind of to break it down into thirds. From mid-August to mid-February, I do a lot of football. Probably 90% NFL, 10% college. Do a lot of football.

That's what we do. We do a lot of – Joey and I do a lot of football. Her brother's a Hall of Famer. She loves it. Grew up with the Steelers, Miami. I grew up in a state that was college football. Then the Seahawks came, moved around the country. I'm a football guy.

So six months of my job, half of what I do for a living is football. And then the football season ends, and you piddled around for about a month. you know, you got a little this, you got a little that, little this. And all of a sudden, and you get into basketball, and you do that for about three and a half months, four months. NBA playoffs, they last a long time. NBA free agency, and you piddled around for about a month and take some time off,

and you go back into football. And not real difficult. And my entire career, I have felt at this time of the year, all right, I'm at the end of football season. And I can't wait for other stuff. but there is something that's different this year. Whenever I talk to young broadcasters or I go on college campuses, I always tell them, you're not in the sports business.

You're in the story business. Find and tell really good stories. College football right now has a story problem. Bama, Clemson, again favored next year. Not a lot of stories. NBA. How easily will the Warriors win their title? Not a ton of compelling stories. I don't remember an NFL season ending, and I can't wait for next season. There have never been this many good soap operas, conflicts, stories in football.

Let's just take the bad teams. Let's take the crappiest. If I gave you the crappiest eight teams in the NBA or the crampiest eight teams in baseball or the MLS or hockey, not that compelling. Here's the bad teams in the NFL, the Raiders. The rebuild with John Gruden and all those draft picks begins. It's interesting. Cleveland. Historically laughable.

Here we go. Baker Mayfield. With a really good roster. Here we go. Arizona, Cliff Kingsbury. Savior or dumpster fire. 49ers Shanahan Garapolo 2.0.

Jets, Darnold, finally gets an offensive head coach. These are the bad stories. These are the bad teams, excuse me. These are the awful teams. There's also, in a sport driven by quarterbacks, a lot of quarterback stories,

Baker Mayfield. It's going to win rookie of the year, right? Can he duplicate it? Cam Newton, is this the end? Carson Wentz. Is it over or he an MVP again? Tom Brady, how long can it go? Aaron Rogers, got a new head coach. Can Mahomes duplicate 2018?

Or is he just the next Dan Marino? Even the bad teams are interesting. The quarterback stories, the extension of Breeze and Rivers and Brady and Ben, the emergence of Mahomes, the re-emergence of luck, the emergence of Baker and Deshaun Watson. The Super Bowl is old guard against North. New Guard, Battle of a generation. The NFL, baseball squashes stories and certainly doesn't create many. College football's got a story problem, and the NBA's got one or two fascinating stories,

but LeBron's hurt and nobody can come close to the Warriors. Soap operas, conflict. I'm not in the sports business. I'm in the story business. I got to find them. Tell them. Talk about him. Take Arizona.

The sons are bad and unwatchable. Arizona Cardinals next year, kind of fascinating. Milwaukee's the number one seat in the NBA, but they don't move the TV dial. I've seen the ratings when the bucks are on. The Green Bay Packers are a non-playoff team. Don't you want to see what happens with Aaron Rogers and his shiny new toy at head coach?

This is the first time I ever remember. I cannot wait for free agency. free agency is getting huge in the NFL. It's becoming like NBA free agency. Where's Antonio Brown going to end up? Where's Levian Bell? These are stars. We may have the second best running back and the best wide receiver in the football changing teams.

Joe Flacco, Super Bowl MVP is going somewhere. It just, it feels different than it's ever felt. By the way, I don't mean to, you know, I never want to be seen as a hater. That's why I've invited Baker Mayfield back on the show. Did you know, notice Joy last night that over the last two or three days that Paul George is officially Oklahoma City's franchise player? There is no more debate. There is no more arguing. Westbrook now provides highlights and fun moments.

Paul George is now the franchise. 36 last night, leading score, taking shots late. Oklahoma City is 3-0 on a little bit of a run, and it's all about Paul, shooting 46% from threes and averaging over 33 points a game. You can't debate it anymore. This is no longer Westbrook's franchise. Westbrook is a broken player, can't shoot. I don't think he's at all dependable emotionally.

He can't do an interview after the game without crisis and conflict. Back nine of his career, couple surgeries now. Statistically, a horrible late game player. and a borderline, borderline all-star. Paul George is a borderline MVP. He's become clutch, emotionally dependable, easier to play with. The head coach of the Oklahoma City Thunder, and I love that Billy Donovan is doing this,

is now trying to play Paul on the floor without Westbrook and then playing Westbrook without Paul. Play him separately, see what happens. Paul George, when he doesn't play with Westbrook, plus 16. Westbrook, when he doesn't play with Paul George, plus and minus plus five. Oklahoma City is all about Paul.

In Paul George's biggest games for the Thunder, they are 12 and 2. Hard to beat. In Westbrook's biggest games for the Thunder, they're 7 and 7. You can visualize Paul George, elevating and carrying the team, late game heroics, you can't with Westbrook. This Saturday game winner, Paul George, last night, Paul George again.

It is officially this week Paul George's Oklahoma City Thunder. Hour two next. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you leave. like. Ah, here we go, hour two. This is the herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening.

We are live in Los Angeles, Iheart radio, Fox Sports Radio, and right here on FS1. This is the week before, the week before the Super Bowl. I am unbearable this week because I got a team I watched for 10 years in Connecticut, get the New England Patriots and just fell in love with their entire system. And I moved to L.A. and I get the Rams and they're my local team, so I got to see them practice, play, and do all that stuff. It is a very good week. Joy Taylor is joining me. I am a somewhat unbearable this week. I understand for the next two weeks, you're going to have to tolerate me. And even my wife said a couple days ago, she said, I can't believe you got the Rams and the Patriots on the Super Bowl.

Yeah, I mean, just can you start giving your attention to some other teams, you know? Pretty good idea. Give us a little remix. Move Jacksonville is what you're telling me. Slow down. It's not going crazy. Of course, that's Joy Taylor. Cole Beasley is kind of a slot receiver for the Dallas Cowboys. He said yesterday the Cowboys front office pushes certain wide receiver targets to get the ball. Yeah, like Amari Cooper.

He's way better. Okay. It's a little off-field story. And it got me thinking about the Dallas Cowboys. The Blue Bloods in the NFL, I mean, these are the old time, well-reveld. run teams, Green Bay, New York Giants, Pittsburgh Steelers, Denver Broncos. They are very tip-top. Well-run, meticulous in their attention to detail. No, actually, the Packers and the Giants, Pittsburgh and Denver are all sorts of drama. I mean, the Packers and Mike McCarthy

Aaron Rogers, all sorts of drama. Giants are fear of base. Can't get rid of Eli. Should have two years ago. Pittsburgh makes more noise than, you know, a Pearl Jam concert. And Denver love John Elway, but I don't know. Something's not quite right there, starting with a quarterback spot. Dallas, though, viewed as dysfunctional, is becoming a little bit like the late 1990 New York Yankees. Yeah, the owner makes a lot of noise, but Pasada, Jeter, Mariano Rivera, actually a really good core. Drafted very well. Right now, the Dallas Cowboys have the best stadium in the NFL, the best practice facility,

the best linebacking duel, and I would say the best young defense in the National Football League. They found their franchise quarterback smartly in the fourth round. They have drafted exceptionally well. They had the best in-season trade with Amari Cooper. They've had one coach for eight and a half years. And oh, by the way, Des Bryant was a little problematic. He's gone. And the offensive coordinator, not progressive.

He's gone. I would put Dallas in a very exclusive club right now. And you can't base it all on championships. I mean, look at this weekend. A replay, DeFords, hands offside. Some of playoff football is coin flip stuff. But I would put Dallas in a group of five or six really well-run organizations. Philadelphia, New England, Rams, Colts, and Dallas.

And you start looking around this franchise. and, you know, George Steinbrenner made a lot of noise and Jerry's got some vanity in a $250 million a yacht and he wants to go on radio every week like Steinbrenner did. But Dallas is built inside out like the smart teams. Found their quarterback in the fourth round. Patriots found theirs in the sixth. Seahawks found Russell Wilson in the third.

Draft linebackers. The blue bloods increasingly in this sport are dripping blood. are a mess, giant sphere-based, Pittsburgh too much noise, Denver can't get attacked together. I'd say Dallas right now is incredibly functional. Let me shift to this. The Cowboys, by the way, have trained for years in Thousand Oaks here in California. And we're going to see a Super Bowl with the L.A. Rams and the New England Patriots. Now, what I'm about to say, you know, Los Angeles is the entertainment capital of the world.

It is, believe it or not, the fifth largest economy in the world. I'm not joking. 210 countries, L.A. has got the fifth largest California, fifth largest economy in the world. And the L.A. Rams that used to be formerly the St. Louis Rams, have become kind of the glamour franchise. Trades, divas, free agents, genius head coach, a lot of points. as pro athletes are getting more empowered and have more control over their careers and as there is an intersection between pro athletes and entertainment

I mean the two biggest NBA free agents in the last decade LeBron ended up with the losing Lakers and Kevin Durant came to California for the already great warriors free agency has always been good to the NBA and it's always been good to Los Angeles in the NBA LA does well with free agency. Free agency is becoming a bigger deal in the NFL, and I think it's going to be a really big deal for the Rams. And I think what you're going to have, and I said this yesterday, about 70% of what I do for a living is reacting to what happened yesterday.

But 30% of what I do on a daily basis is projecting and predicting what's going to happen tomorrow. I think that makes it more compelling as an audience, more captivating. And I think what is going to happen to the NFL is a little bit what drives some fans crazy in the NBA. We're going to see a separation of markets. And the Cincinnati's and the Green Bayes and the Buffaloes are going to be at a massive disadvantage going forward because they cannot attract free agents. And just like Milwaukee and Orlando and Detroit, you know, they've had. had over time good runs. But over the last 10 to 15 years, as athletes are more empowered,

the intersection of athletics and entertainment, the Milwaukee's, the Orlando's, and the Detroit can't land free agents. And there is a gap in the NBA between the Silicon Valley and the middle of the country valley. There's a big gap, and there's no denying it. Even a beautiful city like Toronto struggles to maintain and keep players like Chris Bosch and Akoi Leonard. is I think the NFL is going to start looking more like the NBA in terms of glamour markets, free agent markets,

entertainment markets will be seen as a big advantage. And I said this for years. When you look at the Eastern Conference, it's mostly cold weather and the NBA is a winter league. What is the one market in the Eastern Conference that attracts free agents? Miami. Miami's where stars go. No state tax.

Nice, beautiful aqua water. the winter. And I, you know, I think what you're seeing in the NFL, and I think with the Eagles and the Rams back to back, going heavy into trades in free agency, going after stars, Brandon Cooks, Akeep Taleb, Marcus Peters, and Domen Sioux, Dante Fowler, Sam Shields for the Rams. The NFL is clearly tweaking their league to be more star-driven, more glamour driven, more entertainment-driven, more free agency-driven, and the combine is moving to Los Angeles as well. I think what you see with the Rams is going to be duplicated. And I think it's the new NFL. Jay Glazer talked about this a year ago with the Philadelphia Eagles, how it's changed.

Last couple of years, free agency's been a bad game of fantasy football. But then all of a sudden, the Philadelphia Eagles happened last year. And the Eagles went out, and they got guys like Alshon Jeffrey and the Chris Longs, and then they traded for J.I. They almost played this game that has become taboo in free agency. And all of a sudden, Philly has been a lot. success with it. And that's why I think you see all these teams this year, they have changed their ways. They're like, oh, because it's a whatever have you done for me lately league. Yeah, I think we have two systems facing off in the NFL, the old guard New England, and they'll still be viable, and the new guard Los Angeles. And I said this a week ago, I said, if the Rams

beat the Saints and get into the Super Bowl, it's a copycat league, and I think combined with the Rams going heavy like the Eagles previously into trades and free agency, I think the NFL is tweaking its league. I mean, Jerry Jones, the most powerful owner, said, Oakland, you're moving to Vegas, St. Louis, you're moving to L.A., San Diego. I'll take you up in L.A. And it's created some dysfunction, but there's a reason they're all moving to entertainment capitals. Vegas is an entertainment capital. L.A. is an entertainment capital. It's never been about that in the NFL. NBA, we've always understood there's glamour markets and there's non-glamour markets. NFL, you know, Green Bay, Buffalo got to four Super Bowls, Cincinnati, just didn't matter. I think going forward, it's going to matter more.

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Are you? Yeah, bring my name up in Cleveland sometime in a restaurant, see if you get you a good seat. I'm sure. So your history with the Patriots, defensive coordinator, been there a long time. Really, I've leaned on you for years. You know, going in to the New England, Kansas City, I love New England against the Chargers. Had to go 3,000 miles again.

I just thought there was going to be a little bit of an urgency Patriots rest. I love Kansas City this weekend. And you didn't. You liked New England going in. Why? Well, here's the conflict I had internally. If you look at it, the shifts, the motions, the multiple personnel groups, playing on the road, a mobile quarterback.

Everything said that Kansas City should win. And I thought that objectively, but after experiencing what I experienced in New England and understanding that process and the people that were involved, if I had to put money on the game, I would have put money on New England. And you saw it play out in the first half where Patrick Mahomes, you've got a single coverage with a rookie cornerback on Travis Kelsey. And Mahomes really doesn't go to them very much. Yeah. And missing things like that or the way that New England took advantage of the deep set. by the offensive tackles that Kansas City does to bring their ends up the field and then underneath and then wrap their tackles around to keep them in the pocket.

Those types of things Kansas City didn't figure out in the first half and they get shut out. Now, later on in the game, they started to figure some of those things out, but it's at that edge of experience and their ability to do things that take away strengths and exploit weaknesses that gives him a shot against anybody, regardless of what the talent level is. By the way, speaking at talent level, you've coached in this league twice. You know, there's a real role of the dice what the Rams did. Akeeb Taleb, Marcus Peters, and Domic and Sue, Dante Fowler. Dante Fowler was an underachiever.

Sue's been an underachiever. Taleb's good when he's winning. Marcus Peters is a pain in the butt, even his college coach. Andy Reid moved off him. What do you make of it now that it got to the Super Bowl? Can the Rams pump their chest and go, we were right? Look, whenever you go down this road, it's great as long as you're winning. It's fantastic as long as you're winning.

It's when you hit those patches of adversity that those guys that have questionable pass become a real problem. And I experienced it in Cleveland in 95. We're projected to go to Super Bowl. We, the team announces that they're moving. We hit adversity. And there were guys there that kind of similar makeup. And when all that happened, everybody was looking for. a life raft. And you saw it to some

degree late in the season with the Rams where the defense regressed and those are the guys making business decisions. I'm not going to get hurt before the playoffs. I'm going to go into a little bit of cruise control. Now that being said, this is where guys like that have real value.

It's easy to coach in the playoffs. It's really easy to coach in the Super Bowl because everybody's dialed in. Everybody's going to be the best form of themselves. Nobody wants to be the guy that lose the game. Everybody wants to be the guy makes play. It's perfect now. Is it a model that's sustainable? Yeah, if you can win like the Rams did, yeah, it'll be great. You hit a patch of adversity. Good luck. Talk about Super Bowl

prep. You've prepped for Super Bowls before. New England's a decided advantage in experience here. Super Bowl prep advantage New England, right? Yeah, they've played in nine Super Bowl Super Bowls and 10 Thursday night games. So this is no different for them than getting, you know, getting ready for a schedule like a Thursday night game. It's just another part of their process. And going to the first Super Bowl, what's tough? You've got pressure from family and friends and the media, a change in the environment.

All these things are pulling at you. And if you don't know how to handle that and navigate through that, you're at a pretty big disadvantage. Even how do you use this week versus the second week? How do you make sure that the guys don't get too high too early? How do you deal with the extended pregame?

How do you deal with the extended halftime? All those things for New England, it's just another part of the process. It's keeping players dialed in for two weeks. Belichick, obviously, they added eight new plays in the hotel lobby the morning of the game over Kansas City. Would Belichick keep some stuff, some tricks to keep players focused and driven.

Don't you lay out the game plan by Saturday morning? Well, yeah, you're going to go through this week, and the bulk of the plan is in this week when you're home, when you're working in your traditional format. Now, that being said, you have time to watch more tape. You find some other things. So during that second week, you're going to keep introducing those things to the guys.

And if you find something Sunday morning or Sunday before the game, and you've got an experienced group, you're going to go to them and say, look, I think we got a shot to hit this. Let's go with it. Just like you saw last weekend, where when you've got a young group

or a group that's not used to adjusting or a group that's not used to dealing with the level of anxiety and pressure that goes into a Super Bowl, you put those plays in. It could be an absolute disaster. I mean, Rams' first hour were bailing water. Patriots' first hour were in total control. They both faced the same harsh road environment.

Okay. end of the Rams Saints. Controversy, blown call, no call. Blame the refs, let's sue the NFL. What'd you make of that mess in New Orleans? Well, look, I've heard that there would have been about 30 seconds left in the game if they were able to run the ball three times after the pass interference call or no call. In the first game, the Rams scored at the end of the half with 26 seconds left.

So there's no guarantee that the Rams couldn't have gotten the ball and gone down and kicked a field goal. Okay, that being said, there was a ton of football that took place after that moment. They had a chance to stop them. Then they got the ball in overtime. They got a questionable pass interference call in their favor. The Saints did in overtime. And then the Rams still had to go down and kick a 57-yard field goal to win the game.

So my question is, was it so caught up in that moment, so caught up in the no-call that it cost them the game after that? human error is part of football. That happens. And where you stand on those calls, depend on where you sit. I think the tuck rule was a great call in New England. But I was in New England the time.

And we had to do things to win the game there after that call. People forget the tuck rule. There was a lot after that. Yeah, look, human error is part of the game, and it's not like the game ended at that moment. And it's not like the Saints didn't have an opportunity to win after that moment. And they got the ball first.

in overtime, just like New England did. They could have walked down the field and scored a touchdown, but they didn't. You know, overtime rules, one of the things about overtime I like in the NFL that I don't like in college is the NFL doesn't have this mythology. You know, they're not paralyzed by it. NFL's like, yeah, you can both have the ball as long as you can make a stop. And then you get the ball too. And by the way, most of the time that happens.

College football, they give both teams the ball, they put them in field goal range. and if you both score and we bring it out and they're afraid to not be fair but in college football the games end up being 62 to 60 and the least exhausted team wins the NFL in college football overtime toss winner NFL actually is more fair than college football statistically the overtimes never bothered me in the NFL I think some of it is that we like Mahomes he's fresh he's new he's fun and he didn't get the ball in overtime and it ticks us off and we hate the Patriots the overtime rule doesn't bother me does it bother you? you. It doesn't bother me. I think it's more fair than it has been. I wouldn't mind, though,

each team getting possession. So New England goes down and they score a touchdown and then Kansas City gets a chance to score as well. Like give each one a possession outside of just the field goal versus touchdown way that it's set up now. I don't think there'd be any problem with that. I know that player safety is an issue. Yes. And they don't want to extend the game. So maybe during the regular season, you leave it as is. And in the postseason, each team gets one chance regardless of whether you score touchdown the first drive or not. But the concern by the NFL is the longer a game goes, the injuries increase. So as you go to overtime, it's like skiing.

They always say your last run of the day skiing, go slow. That's when you break your knee. In football, as the game goes to overtime, statistically, the injuries increase. So if Kansas City did take the ball and soar it all the way down, now we've got a real quarter going on. Well, but look, the difference in playoff football versus regular season football is, is you're going to keep going in overtime until there's a winner. There are no ties. So that's what I'm saying.

If you kept it the same during the regular season, but gave each team at least one possession in the postseason, then I think you could find a compromise between player safety and someone saying we didn't have an opportunity that we should have had. Finally, Eric Manjini, former NFL head coach, a couple of places, defensive coordinator with the Patriots. I said this a couple days ago is that, you know, we've got all these new quarterbacks, we got Mahomes,

and we got Deshawn Watson and we got, you know, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold. The one kid that does remind me of Brady, right? Because we're always comparing. Who's the next Michael? Who's the next LeBron? Right? We're always comparing. Jared Goff reminds me a lot of Brady.

He's tall and gawky when he came in. California kid. Really stable family. Incredibly coachable. Kind of quiet and demure, handsome kid, but you don't see him in the weather. You don't see him in the news. And I, you know, I kind of look at them and I'm like, precise passers, pocket throwers. move well within the pocket, but you don't want him running.

I see some Brady in golf. And you were with Brady early. I was with Brady early, and I've told this story a bunch of times. Tom Brady was not Tom Brady when he first came out. And that first season that he was there, post-practice, we'd always have these one-on-ones. I had the DBs. Brad Sealy would be out there. He was a special teams coach at the time. And we'd bet a dollar on each one of the reps.

and I want a ton of dollars because Tom would throw the ball in the dirt or he'd miss a guy wide. So he was able to grow because he had traits and he had tremendous traits. And that work ethic, the thing I don't know about golf is does he have that same type of work ethic? And the other thing that's difficult to predict is with fame, with money, with success, with consistent success, how much do you change? So Tom, yeah, he's got a different haircut and he looks a little bit. bit more fashionable than he did back of the day, but he's still the same person. He still works the same way every day. And to me, that's unique. The other thing about Tom is there's an unselfishness in his play. He doesn't need to have giant statistics. He doesn't need to feed the

ball to Grancowski. He's going to throw to the open receiver. And that takes a lot of discipline. A ton. And it takes an absence of ego where you're not worried if you're run the ball 40 times and your numbers look horrible. He just wants to win. So it's hard to predict how anybody's going to deal with extended success like Tom has. Yeah. Also another thing is that Patriots have had incredible continuity among their staff, whereas as the kind of hot franchise, the Rams are already getting their staff poached by everybody

in the league, where the Patriots have Dante Scarnacia, McDaniel's been there forever, they've got the same running back coach. I mean, Tom, Tom, they got the same parking space, spaces painted in the facility for 20 years. Rams get a little success. Like Nick Sabin now, everybody's poaching that staff. That's part of it. You're going to have the staff poach.

A lot of these players that they acquired are on one-year deals. That's going to turn over. They've given away draft picks. It's hard to sustain that model. And when you look at the continuity in New England, a guy like Dante Scarnacia, and I said this to you before, he should get the MVP trophy, the offensive line coach.

The things that he's been able to do with that group are incredible. And Josh McDaniels, his ability to connect with Tom and to anticipate what defenses are doing, it's invaluable. The other thing about New England is they develop young coaches. It's the Ph.D. program, poor, hungry, and driven, and you grow up in the system. And when someone does move on, there's someone who's been raised in that system and worked and earned an operational. opportunity to move into the higher spot. They call it to Ph.D? Poor hungry and driven. Yeah, you get your Ph.D.

That's great. You go find guys that are smart and hardworking and are willing to do whatever they have to have an opportunity to learn. And as they succeed, it's a little bit like Survivor. You get promoted. And the ones that can't fit into that community, they move to other places. I like that. Goulet, what did you make of that? Ph.D.

Is that your strategy? It is. Keep us all poor? And hungry and driven. 2020s is another name, 20 years old and $20,000 a year. So it could be a P.C. Or 2020, either one. I love all these little slogans.

All right. Eric Mangini, great stuff, coach. Joy with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, you're not surviving on that 2020 system in L.A., so I think Sean Mughey probably has a little different approach.

So he's coming off his biggest win of the season, and the Rams cannot afford to get comfort. being as they're going up against Belichick and Brady next. And they also probably can't afford to give up any bulletin board material either, but that's already done because they are, quote, definitely beatable already. Well, they're going into their ninth Super Bowl. Jared Goff and Sean McVeigh have just five total years of experience between them. And McVeigh talked about facing Belichick yesterday.

Just the way that he competes is understanding, the way that he plays the quarterback position the right way. When you look in or when you're teaching that position or coaching that position, whether it's Drew or Tom, these are guys that they look. This is what it's supposed to look like when you're playing that position at a high level with the decision making, the timing, the rhythm, the accuracy, the ownership of what they're trying to get done. And I have so much respect for him. And he's a elite competitor that, you know, it's going to be a great challenge just like Drew Breeze was before us last week. I can't wait for it. I'm so excited for this.

Here's a note to Sean. I'm sure he already knows this, but I thought the chiefs would have known this, and they didn't. There's two things you're going to need to do to win this game. One, somebody, please, please put hands on Tom Brady. Please, okay? You don't even have to put hands on him. Just get close enough to him that he feels uncomfortable while he has the ball. Just for a start, okay?

Because he hasn't been touched all postseason, except for that phantom ghost call, which means he still hasn't been touched. And then also, whatever you were planning on, like whatever your main weapon was, you're planning on using, just disregard it because it's not for you today. It's not going to be that person's day. Robert Woods is not going to have 22 catches. Nope, nope. If you were thinking that Robert Wood, whatever guy, you play a game. It's like, tells Eric Gop to close his eyes.

If you had the perfect play, who would it be to? Robert Woods, cool. Robert Woods is getting no targets this game. Sorry, you're a decoy. Because that's what they're going to do. Yeah, I thought it was interesting what Eric said, is that Mahomes, early in the game, had Travis Kelsey and an undrafted rookie on him and didn't go to him because, you know, Mahomes doesn't have that experience.

I think we as foot... I mean, it doesn't Andy Reed. He was with him on the bench the entire game. It's a good point. What is this? I've never game planned for Super Bowl against our AFC championship game against Tom Brady, but I feel like it's not a secret. Doesn't everybody know this?

That's everyone that comes on and talks about Belichick is, you know Belichick, he's going to take away your biggest target, your best player, you know he's going to game plan to take him out of the game. Don't even look at Tyree kill. Don't even look at him. He doesn't exist. Just throw Travis Kelsey over the middle. until they start converging on Travis Kelsey

and then throw a retiree kill. That's free game, Sean. All right. Sticking with the Super Bowl, the NFL is apparently considering having the roof open at Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta. If the weather's good, I imagine.

Well, the NFL senior director of event operations told the Atlanta Journal Constitution that they are interested in leaving the roof open, but it depends on the weather. Long-term forecasts, I know how crazy you get about the weather. You were losing your mind about the weather. in Kansas City last week.

They predict a high of 47 and a low of 35 and potential rain. Well, yeah, I mean, if there's rain, don't do it. You would do it even with the cold? Well, if it's 35 degrees inside that stadium, though, it'll be like 45 because of the people. It won't feel like 35 because that stadium is really an indoor stadium with a hole in the roof. So 35 degrees in Atlanta would feel like 42. It would warm it up. So like if your house had just a hole in the roof, like most of the rest of the

house is comfortable. Yeah, it would make the house. I'm so off this. I really just feel like the benefit of having a Super Bowl in a dome is that you don't have to be concerned about the weather at all. Because it's a call you have to make. They can't close it during the game. I think you're better off just playing in a dome. Yes, just leave it close. Like it, that's, you know, I've never seen it open like that. It's kind of fascinating. But it takes a while for it to open. Oh, it does it? Yeah, that's not. That's not regular time. That's kind of cool looking. So when it comes to quarterbacks, John Gruden used to have a

prototype for hand size, height, arm length, and any other number of measurables. But not anymore. Yesterday, the senior goal practice, Gruden had this to say. I used to think that a lot until I saw Drew Brees twice a year in Tampa. And then I

met Russell Wilson coming out of NC State. And now I'm watching this kid Murray at Oklahoma. And I am putting away all the prototypes that I once had. I used to have a prototype for hand size, you know, height, arm length, all that stuff. We're looking for guys that can play and do a lot of different things. And they come in all shapes and sizes nowadays.

I think at quarterback, he's absolutely right. I still think a left tackle should have longer arms than a right guard. I think there are prototype size speed that matter. But the quarterback position, you know, I was told this, I don't know if I told you this, Joy. I was told by somebody Sunday, Kyler Murray could go number one, that all the young coaches in the NFL are like, that's the guy,

that Kyler Murray is going to move not only up in the draft. Don't be shocked if one of these young coaches doesn't pick him number one. The momentum for Kyler Murray to go number one is going to be a dramatic swing over the next 60 days. Does it not seem interesting that he's talking about a quarterback having Derek Carr? They have the fourth pick in the draft. They have three first rounders. Look how small that.

Look how it's just incredible. I'll tell you, though, listen, we all know Baker Mayfield's talented, right? He left Oklahoma's offense was better. Yeah, I mean, I don't. This kid can play. I don't buy into the idea that you have to have Ben Rothesberger, Cam Newton. No, no, no. Body type to play quarterback, especially with the rules today.

You can't touch the quarterback. So it's almost beneficial to have a smaller, more athletic or leaner quarterback because they're not, they're protected. To me, as long as you're a precision thrower, like Baker's got his flaws, he's a very good throw. No, accuracy is the biggest thing to adjust to when you go from college, the NFL. You can't throw people open. You have to throw to them. You have to make them open. So that's the biggest thing.

But the Raiders have plenty of other positions that they probably need to focus on this draft. with the fix they have. Good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. You know what we haven't done in a while, which I really enjoy? I think this is one of our better ones. Buy, sell, and hold is right around the corner. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Nashville Predators take on the Vegas Golden Knights 10 Eastern. Tonight's Discover card key matchup brought to you by Discover. Get your free credit score card today, even if you're not to Discover customer. Doesn't hurt your credit score.

Go to Discover.com slash credit scorecard. Limitations apply. Very excited. I know I'm a little obnoxious with Rams Patriots. I understand it. You know, I know usually I'm humble and just get along with everybody. And this week, I'm a little irritating, a little annoying. So I'm trying to pull it back a little bit.

I feel very happy. I can't wait to get to work and talk about these games. And I, by the way, you know, Tony Gonzalez came on the show yesterday. And thank God he said this. He said, you know, this whole deflate gate, laser gate, you know, spy gate. Folks, everybody. Baseball had a 10-year run where people were taking cattle steroids. Is anybody clean in cycling?

I mean, the reality of sports is, push, push, push, push, push, look at soccer, look at the Olympics. I'm not, you know, I'm not pro HGH, but, you know, this idea that, you know, the Patriots, literally with ball inflation, this describes their dynasty. It's dumb. It's dumb. It'd be one thing if the Patriots were lousy and had this one great year, and you're like,

that was a year they inflated footballs. Or if the Patriots were terrible forever and you're like, you know, remember that one game, they beat that team because they were filming it before, after, during all these gates, they keep winning all the games. I mean, again, I'm not saying, I mean, if you were a stockbroker for 40,

years. In one year you got caught with a little insider trading, but you were successful and more successful after that, I'd say, eh, I mean, I don't know if I agree with that, but that's, like, you know, I'm pretty sure there's some prison time attached to that.

So I'm probably going to stay clear of that type of... I still like Martha Stewart. Yeah, but Martha Stewart... Still like her a lot. That's fine. I think what it is with the Patriots, aside from the scandals, is there's an arrogance about them.

I don't see arrogance. Listen. I'll tell you it's arrogant. I don't need some half useless apology. I'm not one of those people that's like I demand you apologize to me for something that has nothing to do with me

because I just want humility. But people do want that. They don't feel like there was ever any kind of humility after they were caught cheating. Whether everyone else pushes the envelope to you're the ones that got your hands stuck in the cookie jar. So just you know, that's why the NFL should issue an apology to what happened with the Saints.

Maybe people shouldn't be seeking apologies. Why don't you go out there and beat him? Oh, that's not nice. All right, here we go. Buy, sell, or hold. I'm your stockbroker. Let's play. Time to buy sell or hold. I'd buy that for another. Collin will decide if he'll buy it. Sell or hold. Buy sell or hold, the amazing football predictor. Tony Roman. will be the next head coach of the Dallas Cowan. People are saying that Romo is so good at predicting plays he should be a coach. Let me mention two things. He has no coaching background, even at the high school level.

And Jason Garrett only has one losing season. And by the way, he's going to get a raise and make about $6 million to $7 million a year. Working 16 weeks a year, calling football games with a very relatable friendly Jim Nance. If he left for coaching, I'd punch him in the forehead. That'd be the dumbest move I've ever seen. John, he's not coaching anywhere. He's doing a great job as a broadcaster. He makes a ton of money and can play a ton of golf.

And you can't play golf when you coach. And he loves to play golf and you can do a lot as a broadcaster. Buy sell or hold, Drew Breeze has hosted his last playoff game. Let me just say this. I talked to an advanced NFL scout a couple of days ago, about three days ago. And he said, I have noticed with Drew Breeze at the end of the last two years some arm fatigue. It should be noted in his first 11 games this year. he had a passer rating of 127

and in his last six games he had a passer rating of 88. So John, I think Drew Breeze may get into a playoff that I don't deny but a home playoff game winning his division

I don't see that going forward. Buy seller hold Baker Mayfield will make the playoffs next season. Now they were 7, 8 and 1. They finished 3rd, but they were 7 8 and 1. Very proud of them. that. They are very proud of themselves. And I just want to remind you two things.

Next year, your road schedule at Baltimore, at New England, at the Steelers, at Garoppolo, and the Niners. Oh, by the way, you play the Pittsburgh, the Rams, and the Seahawks at home, and you haven't made the playoffs in 16 years. And by the way, you're not catching anybody by surprise. And oh, by the way, as a sophomore, now everybody's got film on Baker Mayfield. John. Sell, sell. I think they'll be a good, solid team. Schedules much tougher. People have film on Baker.

They're not a playoff team. Buy seller hold. Carson Wentz will not make the playoffs next season. First of all, Vegas has him as a 20-to-1 favorite to win the Super Bowl. So that's pretty good. That's upper crust. They have one of the top GMs, top owners, and top coaches in the NFL. And it should be noted that Carson Wentz, although we've poo-poot him now in the last two years, is 60 and 8.

Outside of a guy named Brady, that's about the best. That's better than Aaron Rogers. The last two years, he is 16 and 8. They've also shown an ability to draft well and attract free agents. John, sell, sell, sell. Carson Wentz will make the playoffs. Speaking of Aaron Rogers, buy seller hold, the Packers will miss the playoffs for the third straight season. By the way, they have to go to Chicago, to Dallas, to the Chiefs, to the Chargers, to San Francisco, also face Philadelphia.

at home. Not an easy schedule. I've said this before. I think Aaron Rogers will continue to be a Pro Bowl level quarterback, but the best of Aaron Rogers is done. Since 2014 the last four years, his winning percentage has stayed the same or gone down every single year. So, John...

I don't think Green Bay is a playoff team next year. Last one, Biciller Hold, the Super Bowl will be Tom Brady's or Bill Belichick's final game. New England has 12 draft picks. Gronk will return. higher, freeing up some cap space. Tom has never been about having the biggest salary. And of their top eight players, seven, are 28 years of age, are younger. Their offensive line,

in fact, is very young. Four of the five offensive linemen will return. They are still the best coach, best run division team in the AFC East. And by the way, they have made at least the AFC title game every single year this decade. They're playing in their third straight Super Bowl. So John... Sell, sell, sell. Let's stop with the final game for Bill Ballicheck and Tom Brady. That is not going to happen.

Yeah, I mean, listen, I get this. Here's the thing. We want New England to be humble. Tell me who's humble that's dominant. Is Rinaldo humble? Is Messi humble? Are the Warriors humble? Is Alabama humble?

Is Mayweather humble? Is Connor McGregor humble? No, no, no. Are the Yankees humble? I'm not saying that they should be humble. I actually don't feel like they should be humble. I'm saying the reason outside of their consistent winning that people have this deep hatred for them is that they were caught in Spygategate.

Marginal. Deflategate. Deflate gate is arguable, but again, I think it comes down to arrogance. Have they come out and said, yes, this. happened. But what if it didn't? What if deflate gates a bunch of hooey? You can't apologize. If your wife says you had an affair and you didn't, you're supposed to apologize. I'm sorry I had an affair. I didn't, but I'm sorry. I'm saying they don't, they have an arrogance with those situations that makes people feel like, okay, you say go out and beat them, but like,

we're not, we're not playing against someone who's playing with the same rules we are. Let me ask this. Did the Colts apologize for pumping in crowd noise? Did the Falcons apologize? Did the Falcons apologize? Did the Falcons apologize? Did the Falcons apologize? I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure I did. I'm pretty sure that I apologize. Can you find that apology for me, John? By the way, the Chiefs apologizing for pointing a laser in Tom's eyes. Well, maybe it was a fan. I should apologize.

If it turns out it was a chief's employee, I bet they will. You know, in New England there's a saying, deny it till you die. Well, then don't complain if people don't like you. Being liked. I mean, that's their thing. So maybe that's just. Did the Falcons apologize? Alkins did Apologize.

Arthur Blank apologized. What did Arthur Blank say? I'm sorry for pumping in fake noise. I'm sorry for pumping and fake noise that helped us win games. That's quite an apology. I mean, yes, but they did. They did apologize. I want no apologies.

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We're live in L.A. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. This is Fox Sports Radio. I Heart Radio, FS-1. It's good to have here. Can I tell you, Joy Taylor's joining us? This is what always happens in sports. We like people until they win too much.

Right. And then we don't like Muhammad Ali. We don't like, you know, Andre Agassi. We don't like the Patriots. We don't like Duke basketball. We don't like the Yankees. People always find a reason not to like him. But in its core, it's not boredom because the ratings show, you're still watching them.

You're not bored with them. If you were bored with the Patriots, you wouldn't watch. The ratings this week were gigantic. It was the second highest rated AFC championship game. You're not bored with them. There's a jealousy. And it's fine. I was thinking about this.

Just a story. Years and years ago, Joy, it was the Union Plaza. It's a little story time. We have story time music for Uncle Colin. So I was a young guy, came out of college. and I was with a guy named Don Logan, and he was doing, he had to pick up a check or something for the company I worked with. I went with him.

And we went to this bar at the Union Plaza. And so he goes, I'm going to go upstairs 15 minutes. So I go there and I don't play video poker. And there was a guy, you could tell he had money, white shirt, he looked good looking. He was Texas. He got big expensive watch. And I sat there and he was playing poker.

He was winning and everything. And I was sitting there for 15 minutes. I'm like 22 years old. And I started talking to him. and he sold a bunch of radio and TV stations in Texas and Arkansas. It was a nice guy. You know, he had money. He was a big shot.

You know, they comped his room and stuff. And he was leaving. He was getting ready for a taxi to go to the hotel. And he's playing a little video poker there at the table. And I asked a guy. I said, you know, I'm 21 years old. And I've done this my whole life. I talked to everybody.

And I said, you know, you're a really successful guy. I'm 21 years old. Give me some life advice. and he goes, walk up to somebody and say, you make a million dollars and see how they react. And if they bristle at it, no, you don't. He said they'll never make it. And if they say to you, how'd you do it? They'll be millionaires.

He said, resent money in life and you'll never make it, resent success and you'll never achieve it. that you can tell who's going to be successful based on the discussion of money. And people that bristle at the Patriots and the Yankees in Real Madrid and Roger Federer and Serena Williams and Yukon Women's Basketball, you're just not built for it. You're resentful. Understand that people that succeed, be it Silicon Valley, Muhammad Ali, the greats in any sport, were never fueled with animosity and jealousy. When somebody said to them early, you could be a star.

They were fascinated. They wanted to pursue it. They wanted to go after it. Don't be resentful. Don't hate the Patriots. They're smarter. They keep winning pre-imposed to flakegate. They figure out game plans to make Patrick Mahomes watch the game Sunday.

First two hours, he just watched the game. that's not on New England. That's on Kansas City. Kansas City fired their defensive coordinator. They should have. If you hate Yukon Women's Basketball and Serena and Federer, that tells me all I need to know about you. Put your arms around New England and give them a big hug.

I think you can respect New England and still not like them. I believe me, I'd love for the dolphins to have a deflate gate scandal. Apparently, that's all you need. I'm going to the edge. Okay. The other thing I want to talk about is this overtime you're all freaking out about. Is everybody's freaking out about overtime. And my takeaway in overtime has always been football.

Don't get paralyzed in life by fair. Be fair. Life's not fair. I tell my kids all the time. You deserve nothing. You'll earn everything. We don't use the word fair in our house. We don't use the word deserve in our house.

Go earn it. I'm not interested in you deserving. the ball. Hey, Kansas City, play a little defense. Hey, Saints, you got it first, blew it, get a better offensive line. Drew won't get hit in the mouth and throw a pick. By the way, my friend Nick Wright, who's from Kansas City, who has every reason in the world, Nick Wright, to be bitter and angry and hate overtime, said this earlier on the show today. The goal of sports is to win in regulation. If it goes to overtime, you have failed your goal. Fairness goes out. the window. There was nothing unfair about the way that game ended for Kansas City. They had three

opportunities to get off the field and they simply couldn't do it. With that, we bring in T.J. Hushman Zata over a decade in the NFL, tied for the NFL receptions in 2017, Pro Bowler. All right, let's get to this unfair overtime stuff. All right, T.J., where do you land on it? Leave it the same. I wouldn't change the thing about it. It happens because it's the playoffs and you're like, oh, man, I wish Kansas City would have had a chance to get the ball. Just leave it as it is. It happens. If you change it and you give both team possessions, just go to New England, Kansas City game.

New England had 94 snaps. 94. If Kansas City gets the ball and scores, New England is in essence going to play two games worth of snaps in one game. It's not college football. You only have a 53-man roster. You only have 45 guys suit up. You just don't have the bodies to do it. Tom Brady said after the game, I forget who had the game.

It was CBS. It would have been, I think Tracy Wolfson at one point. He came up. And Brady's the quarterback. Brady's like, I'm so tired. And I'm thinking, you're tired. How's David Andrews the center? How's the blocker?

You've gone to overtime games. Yes. How many did you play in? Four, five, three, four? I know I tied one. You did. We play Philly. Okay.

So tell me about overtime. You're just fatigued. You're done. After the game, obviously everybody showers and you go eat. And I just remember you're sitting there eating. And as soon as you move, cramp. You just cramp up all night. And so it's an uncomfortable feeling, number one.

You wake up the next day. You do feel it. And this is the playoffs. You don't want to have multiple, multiple overtimes in the playoffs. It puts that team at a disadvantage the following week. No, Jeff Fisher, I asked Jeff Fisher, the former Rams coach about this years ago because he was on the committee. and he goes, we're trying to get this thing done fast.

Like our feeling is we played three and a half hours, it's tied. We don't care about fair. We want it over with. And they just keep tweaking this thing. It's like this. Okay, we'll give that. He goes, ideally, you take the kickoff, run it back and it's over. That's one play.

He goes, because we statistically, and Jeff told me this, he goes, you start looking at statistics. Over time, longer the game goes, more injuries. And that's what the NFL has kind of moved towards, health and safety. You can only practice once a week with pads on. I mean, guys, when I was playing in Cincinnati, we're getting IVs in practice. That's how hard practice was. I went out there drinking shakes,

and they got snack breaks during practice. Things have moved towards health and safety, and so now you would basically be going backwards if you add, okay, every team now gets a possession because it's more snaps and more susceptible to have an injury. Okay, so we have Ram Patriot Super Bowl. Joey and I talked about this last week. If you're a player, you've got to root for the Rams model.

Because the Rams pay their players. Even if you screw up in your little bit of a diva, Dante Fowler and Dominican 2, Marcus Peters, they'll take you, is that the Patriots model is almost anti-player. Take a pay cut. You're part of a system. We don't even need names on the back. The Rams system, like the Eagles last year,

we're going to go big in free agency. We're going to go get Golden Tate. We're going to get Michael Bennett. We don't care if you're political. Like if I was a player, I would like the Rams model. It's good for me. It pays me. I can mess up.

I can be a diva. I can make mistakes. I can get kicked out of a locker room. They'll come get me. Shouldn't you as a player want the Rams to win? Because it's a copycat league. And so, Philly, I heard you talking about it last week or a couple weeks. Philly, they did it now to round.

But the rounds, what they have done, they're all one-year deals technically. And Domic and Sue, one year. Good point. Akeeb Talib, one year. Peters has, I think. But he's on his Ricky contract, so it's a little different. Same thing with Dante Thaler. He's on his Ricky contract.

It is a little different. If it works out, they win a Super Bowl great. I don't see Talib and Domic and Sue coming back next year. I agree with you. They'll both be gone. And so if they strike gold, which I believe they've already struck gold by making it to the Super Bowl in a head coach's second year with such a young roster, teams are going to copycat it, but you have to be smart.

They're not giving guys long-term deals. It's in Dominican Sioux. The Rams had a great year. Let's see if we can get over $14 million for one year. Oh, it worked. And so will it be long-term deals? No, it would be those guys that are towards the end of their career, have had great careers, are still great players.

Let's get them on a one-year deal and see what we can do. No, I think you make a very good point. So when you go into the Super Bowl, is there a way you kind of lean? I mean, I think the experience advantage. Eric Mangini said earlier it was funny. The Patriots have played in nine Super Bowls and 10 Thursday Night games. I mean, they played. The experience edge here is significant.

How much, I mean, I really do. I think it's a significant advantage for New England. I was obviously never fortunate enough to experience what these guys are experiencing and going through right now. But obviously, the experience factor and just been there done that goes with New England. Tom Brady is technically, he's been in the Super Bowl. every other year he's played technically. And by the way, if they win it all,

0% chance he retires. Zero? 0% chance you retire. TJ, you know, it's funny. I have considered that last couple of years. It wasn't the Chiefs game. We have video of it. When I saw him against the Chargers,

I was like, retire. I mean, Philip Rivers looked old. Breeze Sunday in the second half looked old. I thought he looked so good against the Chargers. He's having fun, though. that's people don't understand to have the amount of success he's had for such a long period. Everybody wants it, but do you have the dedication and the discipline? That's the biggest thing.

Do you have the discipline to do what he's doing at his age for the amount of time he's done and spend the amount of money and the resources to play at that level? A lot of guys say they'll do it, but when it comes down to it, Do you really have that type of discipline to have the same success? And guys will say, oh, yeah, but you'll cheat on it here and there. You'll do this when you shouldn't do that. He's not doing it. For the record, did you enjoy football at the end?

I think you weren't to the Raiders at the very end. Did you enjoy it or were you tired of it? No, I enjoyed it. To the very end. Yeah. And I wish I could have played longer, to be honest with you. And for me, though, I was different than a lot of guys growing up. I didn't play football my entire life.

I played one year of high school football, and then I went to junior college. And so I wasn't one of these kids that my whole life, I played football growing up, and then I got tired of it. I had a bunch of injuries. You were still a kid. Yeah, I enjoyed just the competition aspect of it. I enjoy messing around in the locker room. It's really the competition, and that's why when I retired, I started coaching my daughters,

and I probably enjoyed competition a little too much. Although they're doing real well. Yeah, a little bit. All right, TJ Hushman's out of. Chris Sims coming up as well. Good seeing you, bud. Thank you, guys. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio,

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So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, guys? This is Clever Taylor the 4th. And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game.

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What? Where's she at? Hey, Ms. Parker. Listen to the Cliverts show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. By the way, Vinnie Bontignor works for the athletic. He just corrected me. He covers the NFL. Rams. He said that

Keeb Talibib is under contract, though he doesn't get 11 million. This year he gets 11 million next year, we're wrong at that. Kib Talib, the Rams have them under contract next year. He's actually been very valuable for them. He really has. Marcus Peters, I don't think, is long term for the Rams. I don't think Indomacan Su is long as the Rams. Dante Fowler, they gave up a draft pick.

I don't have any insight on that. I could see them moving off him. They did give up a third rounder. I think they'd like to keep him, but I think there's going to be teams in the NFL that go after Dante Fowler, who, by the way, has played very well in the last three weeks. That matters. By the way, you know, I talked about this earlier, is that Dan Marino, you know Joy Taylor growing up, Dan Marino's from Pennsylvania, where Joy's from, then he went to Miami, and Dan Marinos, I've only met him once or twice, and one of the great quarterbacks of all time. Like Charles Barkley, it's one of the 10 best, 20 best players I've ever seen in football and basketball. They just don't

have titles for whatever reason, you know? But Marino, second year in the NFL, like Patrick Mahomes, MVP set records, oh, my God, here's Dan Marino. He never got back to a Super Bowl. And Aaron Rogers got to a Super Bowl. And Aaron Rogers has not been close to a Super Bowl, right? Like he played that game in Atlanta and got blown out. This idea that you get there early and, well, you're just going to, well, what has hurt Aaron Rogers? GM wasn't great.

Couldn't sign free agents. The coaching thing didn't work. That's not all Aaron Rogers' fault. And then you look at Dan Marino. Well, you know, he aged. His wheels weren't very good at the end of the year with Jimmy Johnson. He was throwing, basically his legs were shot. They had some players that didn't pan out.

There was good competition in the AFC. You know, this idea that Patrick Mahomes is going back, don't kid yourself. The two best general managers in this league are arguably ones in his division with the Chargers. They were also 12 and 4 with a loaded roster about to move into a new stadium. They'll be very, very attractive for free agents. The Colts have maybe the best GM and Chris Ballard. They have nine draft picks, $100 million, the best young offensive line in football, and Andrew Luck. Those are just the two obstacles that we know.

And then there's New England, which has Belichick, Brady, a great owner, 12 draft picks, Gronks retiring. Outside of Brady, it's actually a very youthful roster. Now, I'm not saying Patrick Mahomes won't be successful. But you better start chopping it up here in the next couple of years because he's going to sign a 35. million dollar year contract. He's going to sign a monster contract. So, you know, where is Jared Goff can't go to the Rams and go, give me 30 million? Because you'd say like, well, it's been girly. Donald McVeigh. If Patrick Mahomes is lighting up this league and getting all these stats and

throwing for 50 touchdowns a year, his agent's going to say, give us 35 million bucks. And you're not going to be able to keep D. Ford and Chris Jones and Eric Fisher and Mitchell Swartz. So, you know, this idea, don't kid yourself, the six highest paid quarterbacks in the NFL. None of them won a division this year. Chargers aren't going away. Colts aren't going away. New England's not going away. Pittsburgh underachieved.

They're not going away. I think Baker Mayfield and Sam Donald and Lamar Jackson. They're going to be in your way. So in next year, the schedule, you know, you've got a couple more years where you don't have to pay them a homes a lot. But have you seen the chief schedule, now it's the first place. schedule. Next year, they're at the Bears and at the Patriots and the Colts and the Ravens and the Vikings and the Packers and they face the Chargers twice and they face the Colts. So, you know, just don't go crazy on this stuff. You don't always get back. Now again, I'm not saying they're not

winning games. But man, you got some good franchises in the AFC right now. Chargers know what they're doing. Patriots know what they're doing. Ravens know what they're doing. Used to be if you had the Cleveland Browns in your schedule, oh, that's a W. They're not going to be that way anymore. A New York Jets. My prediction is Donald, Adam Gays, Greg Williams, it could be a handful. So, you know, you just, you just, I'm not saying it's going to be Marino, but Marino never got back to a Super Bowl. Now, he did get to a couple conference championships, but he lost. Those obstacles, especially in the next two years when you're not paying Patrick anything, you've got to make this puppy work. You've got to chop it up here because you start paying a big money. Look around the league. Brady's had to take a pay cut. And I don't blame these young quarterbacks like Baker, Mayfield, Mahomes, Donald. They'll take a pay cut in year 6, 7, 8. But that first time they can make $150 million, it would be very easy for me to say, you know, you should take a pay cut.

Breeze took a pay cut when he already had $100 million net worth. Brady took a pay cut after he made a fortune. Young quarterbacks want that first big paycheck. And Patrick Mahomes are going to say, MVP, I've got two, three MVP's here. I'm going to take a pay cut. Kirk Cousin says, maybe I'll take a pay cut in the next one. I'm not taking a pay cut on that now. So don't let your age beat you.

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The Patriots, they think everyone is against them. Mostly. New England versus everybody. Feels like it. They take everything bad that's said about them and they use it as tackling fuel. and you can't give them any bulletin board material. You can't say they have no skilled positions. Very sad.

No skilled players. Very negative. Well, Ram Safety, John Johnson III, yesterday had some comments on Tom Brady. He was the one that picked up reason overtime. And this is what he had to say. He's an all-time great. He's been to Super Bowl, what, like nine times? So, I mean, oh, he's beatable, though.

So, I mean, we just can't go in there with the mindset of, oh, it's Tom Brady. Like, he's definitely beatable. We're going to go on there and give him a go. Now, on the surface, there's nothing wrong with what he said, and it is factual. Brady has lost in the Super Bowl and lost before getting to the Super Bowl. So he is beatable. Yes. But unfortunately, this quote is going to get chopped, chopped and screwed, and they're going to pop that little he's definitely beatable line right out of there and insert into the Brady machine.

For the record, Tom's been in eight Super Bowls, all eight decided by one possession. Here's the other thing, Joy. If you go back to Brady's Super Bowls, this is kind of bizarre. New England has always been considered a very fast starting team. They've actually, they're really bad in the first quarter in Super Bowls. They don't, I don't think they've ever had a touchdown in the first quarter of a Super Bowl. They really, they come in kind of tentative. They run the ball more than pass.

Yeah, they just kind of feel it out. They do. So New England's not a team that jumps on you in the Super Bowl, and all their games are decided by one possession. So beatable, it's not just beatable. they're a little vulnerable early in Super Bowls. They've fallen behind. They don't take a lot of leads. Well, it's not how you start.

It's how you finish. And I'm okay with the mentality of coming in and thinking that he's beatable. You don't want to come in in awe of your opponents. Like, that doesn't serve anyone. It makes you nervous. It puts you in a bad mindset. You need to come in thinking that you, in visualizing, already winning the game. But any piece of any doubt that's served up for the Patriots is going to get over.

examine for the next two weeks. So at the Senior Bowl last year, Brown's GM, John Dorsey, pretty much made a decision on Baker Mayfield at number one overall. Baker holds the record for most touchdown passes as a rookie at 27, and he's a leading contender for offensive rookie of the year. And Dorsey thinks the best is yet to come. At Senior Bowl practice yesterday, he said, I like everything about his makeup. I like how his teammates really rally behind him. I like how he shows that fighter spirit. He's dynamite in the red zone. He's mature beyond his age group. And I'm just happy he's a member of this organization and I can't wait to see what he

does next year. He's mature beyond his age career. My son's 12. He knows not to grab his junk in public. I mean, I'm saying, Joy, come on. He's mature beyond his years. I mean, I can't roll my eye. Maybe that that's a stretch of a line.

But he is dynamite in the red zone. I'm with you. I don't think that they make the playoffs next year. I think everyone is vastly like win your division first. And I mean, the Steelers have had some issues, okay, but like, I'm not anticipating. They're going to continue that next year. New England's the current dynasty.

In their building, it's nobody believes in us. Cleveland, a historical laughingstock, finished third, and all they've done so far this year is pumped their chest. Maybe that's why Cleveland's Cleveland and New England. I've never seen a team that finished in third get cockier in my life. Shouldn't they be humble and say... It is kind of a strange phenomenon. Kind of. I don't...

I truly don't understand it. And again, people think that you and I are rooting against, well, first of all, I'm getting falsely lumped into the anti-Baker crowd because of you. Your Baker criticisms are falling on me when I was the one who said Baker should be starting from week one. You did. That was me. I don't want the Browns to be bad, even though I have every reason to want the Browns to be bad because I'm from Pittsburgh. I just don't think that a dud in any sport is good for anyone. Let me ask you this.

if the Golden State Warriors in the NBA were like, you know what, we're lucky to be here, we work hard, nobody believes in us. And the Memphis Grizzlies were cocky. We would laugh at the Memphis Grizzlies. The Cleveland Browns, all I'm hearing about, their fans, I mean, I've never seen a more obnoxious, overconfident fan base off a 7-8-1 season. New England's literally a dynasty, and they're like, nobody believes in us.

I mean, they're using the opposite. Is anybody in Ohio getting this? Maybe it's just a Cleveland thing because you remember the Cavs said that they were the Eastern Conference champions. They were the ones to beat. Yeah. But Chris said that, but weird. I don't know. Finally, the speculation's over.

Larry Fitzgerald will be back with Arizona Cardinals in 2019. Signed a one-year deal to return for his 16th season. This morning, he posted on social media a fire burned inside me my rookie year. A desire over all else to be great to excel in the fields impact the lives of others off of it. I'm grateful that fire still burns just as bright today. and that this organization has let me chase that fire for well over a decade. Nothing excites me more than continuing to chase greatness with everyone here on and off the field. Let's get to work.

Hashtag year 16. This is, I think, huge for the Cardinals. Yeah, not only that, but he can still play. Yeah, you can't still play. And it's just important for, you have a developing quarterback, you have a new head coach. It's nice to have someone who's been there who knows the team, who's respected, who's consistent and professional. and an all-time great when you're in this phase of your organization. And also him saying this now lifts any kind of speculation about wondering whether he'll be back or not throughout the off season.

So this is good news for the Cardinals. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. I said before the Colts game against the Chiefs, Chris Sims, Phil Sims kid came out. And Chris played five years in the NFL, Texas, high school star. And Chris came out before the game, and I remember he said this.

He goes, Mahomes looks way more comfortable in this weather than Andrew Luck does. And Andrew Luck played the worst game I've seen him play in like three years. And I told my staff, I'm like, man, Chris Sims nailed it. I mean, Andrew Luck just looked uncomfortable. And Packed up Mahomes, though he didn't play great, looked very comfortable. Chris Sims also was a former Patriot coaching assistant. He was part of their quality control scouting department. and he is joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network.

In the time you spent there, in the 12 months, Chris, that you spent there. You know, I've said before, dynasties create animosity. It can be Serena, Yukon Women's Basketball, the Yankees, Duke Basketball. You know, we don't get bored with them because the ratings are still great, but we start resenting them. What was the one thing you took away from the year with the Patriots where you felt like, wow, they do blank, better than everybody else. Oh, there's a lot of things they do better than everybody else. And that's why it's no coincidence that they've dominated football for the 21st century in the NFL

in a league where we try to make the rules even and make everything even on a, you know, on an equal playing field. But I think the big thing is just the daily attention to detail. It did the daily attention to detail, Colin. And then the daily work ethic. It just didn't matter if it was May 8th or if it was January 8th. That organization goes into the building on a daily basis with a purpose. Things are going to get done.

They're not worried about what time they're going to get home to their family or their kids or their wives. It's about making the New England Patriots team better every day. And I think that's kind of a little dirty secret around the NFL, at least in my eyes sometimes, is, you know, the coaches, the organization, they out-compete other organizations. And when the year's all done, they have a thousand more work hours in the office compared to the other teams in the NFL. And I just think it's one part of their greatness, Colin. You played for John Gruden and college Mac Brown, Jeff Fisher, Josh McDaniels. And you also played quarterback. Even though you were in the building, you played the position,

are you surprised that, you know, Brady McDaniels, Belichick, I mean, we've had one little dust up. I think it was a love triangle and Garoppolo got in the way and they got him out of town. are you surprised at the durability and the expansiveness and how long it's last without a lot of controversy or movement? I mean, it is surprising, especially in the NFL with the egos, the personalities you have, the competitiveness of all the men that are involved, of course, in the NFL in general. But not surprising, I think, once you get there and you realize, wow, I mean, these guys are such professionals. And another thing that New England does is they accumulate guys across the NFL through the draft free agency that love football and are in it to win football games and not nickel and dime the organization for every extra cent or dollar or anything like that. But I think it's the non-egoes that are attached there.

Josh McDaniels, he's a phenomenal game planner. Tom Brady knows his role, even though he's the face of the franchise, greatest quarterback ever, all of that. he still understands when McDaniels or Belichick give him an order. He has to listen to that. So it is amazing that it's gone just this long without just, you know, a few little dust-ups here and there. But I think once you get to know the individuals and the type of individuals that Bill Belichick has surrounded himself in New England, you'll realize that it's a very selfless group and they really are into just out detailing, out-schematicallyly, game-planning teams on a weekly basis.

And, hey, there was a sign, Colin. this will always stand out in my mind where I was up in this little corner of the front office, right, where it said, we are not collecting players, we are building a team. And that never rang more true than in New England. They have a plan of attack all offseason, every season, how they want to attack a game, how they want to build their team, how they want to rebuild it for a new year, and that's what makes them so special. Now, you could argue the Rams are collecting players to some degree.

Now, they built a nice culture, but they're kind of the new model, which is a little like Philadelphia and Howie Roseman. We're going to go free agency. We're going to go trades. Now, you were around with the bucks, with the Titans, with the Broncos. You know, when you were in Denver, they did a little bit of that. Does it necessarily mean if you go opposite of the Patriots, take your experience, what do you make of the Rams model? Yeah, I mean, the Rams model, I appreciate it for this simple fact. They push their chips in the middle of the table before the last two seasons that said,

we're trying to win a Super Bowl. We're not trying to go to the playoffs. We're not trying to be the most improved team in football. We are trying to win a Super Bowl. And we've seen that with the acquisitions of not only McVeigh, but, of course, getting Akib Talib, Alib, Tili, Marcus Peters, and Dama Kand Su. I think the thing I look about, it is sustainable, what the Rams are doing. Of course, they're going to have to be creative with balancing their money on a yearly basis when you do it this way.

But I think the big thing is that would scare me about this type of model and it didn't happen this year. And hopefully it doesn't happen for the Super Bowl. But it's a lot like the Seahawks. There's lack of depth on the team. Yes. That's what would worry me about the long-term prospects of doing it this way. And it even worries me in this specific matchup because I know New England when they play teams like this that lack depth, they want to get to the huddle quick.

They want to wear out the errand Donalds of the world. So by the end of the fourth quarter, they can't get after the quarterback. because they've had 9 million plays and schemes to think about throughout the first three quarters. As somebody who played the position, I got to ask you, you were in Kansas City, and I said, you kind of tip me out before the game. You had said luck doesn't look comfortable, and frankly, he was not. Mahomes did. When you watched Mahomes play, he's obviously gifted.

What do you take away from it, sitting on the field, watching Mahomes going forward as somebody who played the position? Just gifts? Did he have control of the game? Did you feel he was good? pre-snap? What was your takeaway watching him live? Yeah, definitely. Good question. And I really appreciate you giving me the shout out for my, you know, little pre-game observation. Seriously, that was very nice to you. So thanks for that, dude. But in all seriousness, I think the first thing that jumps out to you with Mahomes is his, you know, I want to say his aura, his personality,

he was very unfazed as soon as he walked on the field and pre-game warmups. I could just tell he was, he was energized by the moment. He wasn't like, oh, no, this is. the divisional playoff game. I need to be nervous. But then the next thing, Colin, is just the pure physical talent. It was one of those things where I watched Andrew Luck warm up. And I said, okay, you know, it's good, but it's not great. He's struggling a little in the elements. And I said, let me walk down here and see Patrick Mahomes. And it's one of those things where, no joke, the first throw you see, you go, whoa, that was a little different. Damn did that ball spin really hard in place? And damn, did it cover a lot of ground and a whole lot of hurry? And I think that's what you

Just the physical ability and just the naturalness in which he throws the football, I think, is the first thing that jumps out to me as the next quarterback. By the way, Brady against Jared Goff, like Jared Goff, he's a tall, thin kid. I don't think he's ever going to be, you know, he's, I think I look back at your career and I remember putting on weight. A buddy of mine, Brock Heward always said, I could drink protein shakes all day. I couldn't put the weight on. And I look at Jared Goff is always going to be kind of thin, a little gangly. but like you, he throws a very pretty football. I thought he outplayed Breeze against New Orleans.

I really did, Chris. I thought he really played well late. What do you take of him watching him live and on tape and all throughout the course of the year? Yeah, I mean, very impressed with Jared Gough. I mean, especially, hey, he hit a little bit of a lull at the end of the season. We know that where he didn't play his best football against the bears, the Eagles. But I would argue before that, okay, he did some things that I still had quills.

questions about. You know, and I know last year he threw for 28 touchdowns and seven interceptions, but I would also argue that Sean McVeigh made the game very easy for him. And the teams that were playing the Rams were still getting used to McVeigh's offense. This year, especially before that Eagles and Bears game, the thing I have, I take into account about evaluating a quarterback is the things they do off schedule, right? When Sean McVeigh doesn't call the right play and there's nothing there, there's nothing open, or he has pressure. And he made so many plays off script, whether it was the Vikings game or the Chiefs game that we saw all in prime time, the Green Bay Packers game where I just said, whoa, there was nothing here. And he threw

a 30-yard missile into very tight coverage right on the money. I think he got his swagger back a little bit last week, his confidence. And I do agree with you. He outduled Drew Brees in New Orleans, which is impressive. He made the biggest, most impactful throws of the football game, whether it was the go route before halftime or being underpriced. pressure in overtime and throwing balls in the bootleg where he had people hitting him as he was throwing it. You know, the continued progression is impressive for golf. And I think we're going to be seeing him for a whole lot of years, him and McVeigh together. Say hi to your dad. I love him. NBC sports, Chris Sims. You do a great job. Keep kicking butt.

Love having you on the show. Thanks for making time for us, Chris. Thanks, man. I appreciate it. Have a good week, Colin. All right. He does a really good job. Breaksdown film. Dad's a great guy as well. Watch them. One's at NBC. One's at CBS. That's pretty good, right? That's pretty good deal. And you can have multiple family members at multiple companies doing their thing. Coming up next, is it the harshest thing I've ever said about LeBron? Best for last coming up next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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That's the happiest I've been. And I was like, there's no point in being a vegan. I never feel that way with rice. I love rice. That's fine, but I don't get excited for it. I saw that butcher box food. I was just like, oh my God, I was the happiest I'd been. I do like a good vegetable.

But when it's paired with a nice meat. I like a good vegetable over there. on somebody else's plate. I like sock-eye salmon on my plate. All right. By the way, we're going to play a game now where there's, it's really unfair. We spend a lot of time on production. Roll the tape.

It's time for a game where we ask Colin questions and the correct answers are whichever answers he chooses. Prepare to play the most unfair game ever created pop quiz. All right, here we go. Sports questions. Ask him, John. All right. The Patriots made the Super Bowl.

again. Because, A, they are smarter than everybody. B, the AFC is weak. Or C, they found a new way to cheat and nobody has detected it yet. I think the AFC was actually more talented top to bottom than the NFC this year. I think the Chargers and the Steelers and the Chiefs and Baltimore have really good rosters. Let me just ask you this. Tell me another organization that James White would have 15 catches in one game

as a running back. Folks, the entire league has gone one way with vertical deep passing. They've gone the other. No deep threat. No vertical passing. Run centric. The answer is, of course, A, as Chris Sims just said, they work harder and they're smarter than everybody. Since you created the game, I guess that is correct.

Yeah. Okay, next one. The AFC team most likely to end the Patriots dynasty is A, the Chiefs, B, the Chargers. see the Colts or D, nobody stands a chance in hell. Let's think about the final four teams. The Rams drafted well. They drafted Goff. They drafted Gurley.

They drafted Aaron Donald. Let's think of the Patriots. They have drafted well, not done free agents. Let's think about Kansas City. Did you know who Tyreek Hill was? Travis Kelsey, Patrick Mahalms, D. Ford. And let's look at the Saints. Mickey Loomis two years ago had a draft where like eight guys all played.

the front office is the key to this sport. Quarterback in front office. The Colts, the answer is C. They're the next dynasty. Nine draft picks, best young offensive line, over 100 million. Chris Bowler's a great GM. And by the way, Andrew Luck second and passing touchdowns to Mahomes, I think over the next seven to eight years,

I think that's the team that replaces Brady and Belichick as the great team going forward. Okay, let's try a tougher one. The Eagles quarterback next season should be A, Carson Wentz, B, Nick Foles, or C, I literally have no idea, it's that confusing. Carson Wentz was on his way to an MVP. He was 16 and 8. Let's not make this out to be Nick Foles is 10 and 3,

and Carson Wentz is a bum. He was on his way to be an MVP. Now, there's a story that he's a little selfish. Guess what? I've heard that about Cam and Aaron Rogers. When you're gifted. When you're gifted, you tend to be a little less reliant on coaching and more reliant on yourself. And that is something to work on.

But Carson Wences to the future, have somebody overpay for Nick Foles. Okay, to the NBA. This season, the Lakers are looking like, A, a playoff team, be a non-playoff team, C, the Clippers. It's actually the Clippers. They both have 25 wins, lots of injuries, and both need another story. to be a formidable playoff team. The Clippers need Kauai Leonard. I think they'll get him.

And the Lakers need Anthony Davis. My gut feeling is they get him. I've watched both the Lakers and the Clippers this year. And when you watch the Lakers and the Clippers, one thing is clear. They've got a lot of guys that get hurt. Right now they're a 7-8 seed best. I think both their head coaches are fine, former players. But they're 25 with teams, injuries.

not a lot of difference makers and need another star. All right, our final pop quiz question. Russell Westbrook needs to, A, take fewer shots, B, stop shooting entirely, or C, watch the herd every day for helpful advice. You know, I would generally say that's a great idea for America. But this one, it's take fewer shots. Listen, it's not that Russell Westbrook should just be a decoy,

but he's clearly a broken player. His free throw percentage last two years from 83 to 64. He's shooting 24% from three point land. And when he takes 19 or more shots, they're sub 500. When he takes 18 or fewer, they're 13 and 2. So the point is, you want shots from Westbrook. You want dynamic playmaking ability. But there are lines analytically that he shouldn't cross.

And this team tends to be better when he shoots somewhere between about 14 and 18 times. That has been our revolutionary. This has been Pop Quiz. There wasn't much production value in that, but I did get to a bunch of topics I wanted to talk about. I think we nailed it. It took a lot of time to come up with the name for that second. Yeah, I mean, we went to a marketing company and, you know, we did some market research, and that's what we came up with, pop quiz.

So, car shopping's confusing. There's a lot of terms out there. dealer price, list price, invoice. Here's what's not. Go to Truecar.com, save three grand off MSRP. I just met the CEO of TrueCar the other night at dinner. Very nice guy. Very techy.

It's one of those techie guys. He had all the answers to everything in the entire world. I want to thank Nick Wright, Eric Mangini, T.J. Hushmanzada and Chris Sims. Boy, Mangini and Chris Sims having work with the Patriots, what an advantage they were today. They both have some insight that is fascinating on the way New England works. as they just outwork people and coach Eric Mangini giving us the insight, the Dante Scarnacia. The best coach, nobody knows what he looks like in the entire national football league.

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