The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Tom Brady, MLB, Aaron Rodgers, Michael Jordan

Episode Date: May 12, 2020

Colin explains why it doesn't matter if Tom Brady and Josh McDaniels had issues, why MLB needs to settle their dispute, why Brett Favre is right about Aaron Rodgers, and why people love Michael Jordan's alpha male mentality. Guests include Ric Bucher, Mark Sanchez, David Spade, and Jon Paul Morosi. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ah, here we go on a Tuesday, live in Los Angeles. This is The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, we're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Even David Spade, the comedian, the talk show host, is going to be joining us today. We get all sorts of stuff today. Rick Buechard is going to stop by this hour.

Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy last night I had a friend over. I saw. And I smoked a cigar in honor of the last dance with Michael Jordan. I'm not a big cigar smoker. And this morning I woke up and felt hazy. I'm not really a cigar smoker. But I decided last night I'm going to have a couple of glasses of wine and a cigar and

celebrate the last dance. And our state is doing some opening, some reopening cautiously. Right. And we were both tested, by the way. So that's my life. What did you do last night? Absolutely nothing. Like literally nothing. I just sat on my couch and talked on the phone and did nothing. I mean, if you're not a regular cigar smoker, that's like a level up to a night of drinking.

I like a cigar when I'm out, out, or I'm with my brother who is an avid cigar smoker. So I understand how you feel right now. I got up this morning and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's what cigars. That's why I stopped smoking cigars. It does a little something extra. Yeah, a little something extra. Nice to have you in today. Let me start with this. There's a story out. Gary Myers used to drive the New York Daily News, very good reporter, had him on the show, knows what he's doing. He said Tom Brady's deteriorating relationship with Josh McDaniels, the offensive coordinator in New England. Part of the reason he left for Tampa.

Now, Brady was not happy with it. Brady rushed to Instagram last night and said, please stop this nonsense. Please be more responsible with reporting 19 years together and Brothers for Life. and we know Josh McDaniels came out when Brady announced he was leaving to Tampa, had a nice Instagram post and nice press release, and we know we've seen them yelling at each other. And who really knows? Tom Brady denies it.

Josh McDaniels did deny it. Here's what I know. It didn't impede their success, so who cares? 12 straight division titles. Three Super Bowls, five Super Bowl appearances. irritation I've always thought is sort of part of work. I mean, I like where I work. I work for a radio conglomerate.

I work for a TV network. And I don't have a lot of irritation. But every, you know, once a month or something that's kind of irritating and you got to kind of address it. Maybe it's on the staff or maybe it's on the, you know, you're not getting something when you need something or something's being slowed or you're not getting this piece of video. You're not getting this guest. It's just work. That's called work. And here's what I know.

A, it doesn't show a pattern with Brady because Brady gets along with everybody. Unlike other star quarterbacks, he's never had a family member call him out. He's never had a teammate call him out. So it's not like a pattern. B, it didn't impede their success. So I'm much less interested in stories where people were irritable at times and went their separate ways, but it didn't get in the way of winning. And C, if Brady and Josh McDaniel,

was that bad, then why did he leave and come back? Brady wouldn't have let him come back. He said, Tom Brady got Jimmy Garoppolo out of town, a quarterback. He couldn't say, I'm not going to have Josh McDaniels come back. So here's the way I look at this Tom Brady story. There's a theme in Tom Brady. And all the stories are now starting to connect. he didn't feel fully appreciated in New England.

And it's just like if you're married and you don't feel fully appreciated or if you have a boss and you don't feel fully appreciated, then everything starts to get irritating. And so Tom Brady, as we saw in his documentary from his wife, that he allowed to be in the documentary working with Gotham Choper, the documentarian, that Tom allowed in, which is, is it would be nice to kind of feel respected and go to work and feel respected. And once you feel that way with your boss, then for Tom Brady, everything got irritating. Driving got irritating. The Boston weather got irritating. We saw him last year snap at the young wide receivers. They got irritating.

The lack of a tight end got irritating. Belichick's system got irritating. Josh McDaniel's sort of intensity got irritating. When you don't feel respected in any relationship, Then everything else starts to irritate you. And irritation is just part of business. Irritation for everybody in business is always easier when you're winning. And last year, they didn't win a Super Bowl.

So it probably built up and he was over it. But it certainly never got in the way of anything while he was there when he left or when he returned. So to me, it's just journalism. It's just a story. I'm sure there's some truth to it. I understand Brady denying it. He calls Josh McDaniels a brother for life. But I just look at that and think, that's reporting.

I don't deny it's true. There's probably some truth to it. But I'm never really concerned about people being irritated at work as long as it doesn't impede functionality and success. And it never did in New England. 12 straight division titles. All right, let's talk about this. discouraging, disappointing.

Baseball players are represented by Tony Clark. Agent Scott Boris is also very powerful. So baseball came out yesterday and proposed a new plan for baseball. It had some really cool stuff. And the players are going to die apparently on the hill and their representatives of, it kind of feels a little bit like a salary cap. We're not doing it. that's the hell you're going to die on.

That for 80 games during a pandemic, it sort of feels like a salary cap. Well, this year, all the rules are changing. I'm the least surprised person in the world that it came down with baseball to money. The NFL's always done a really good job to sell itself as the sport of the fans. The NBA sells itself as the sport built with and around star. The NFL is all about the fans. For years and years, we watched the draft that got big ratings, and the NFL said, you know what, no.

No, we're going to go to different cities so you the fans, so you the fans can touch it, palpable, feel it. And they did. They moved it all over the country, and it was unbelievably successful. During this pandemic, the commissioner went down in his basement, and what did they put up? That big board with fans, and he turned to it every time. It was a little cheesy. but in the end, that's the messaging the NFL always.

It accompanies everything with the NFL. We are in to you the fans. That's every message. The NBA has a different message. We like you guys, but it's a kind of a star-driven league. It's kind of a culture league. It's kind of a cool league. But too often baseball's message is it's just all about the money,

which you can tolerate, you know, when we don't have a, a pandemic and potentially 20% unemployment. This is a really bad look. And I'm not somebody that worries a lot about bad looks. But when you're going through a crisis like this and you're a sport, you probably don't want to talk a ton about money when you see what's happening to most Americans. You know, there's an old saying the NBA comes up with a great idea.

Football gets it right and baseball makes the most money out of it. And I'm not taking aside here. I mean, there's a reason baseball owners never open their books. But for the players' representatives and the agents to come out so strongly yesterday, the headlines with the NBA coming back have mostly been, hey, if you can give us testing, we'll come back. The headlines with the NFL playing is, hey, if the states allow us, we're going to play. Baseball's headline is revenue sharing. We don't like it.

Salary cap. You know a salary cat which every other athlete deals with in sports. College athletes don't get paid, not supposed to. And everybody else has a salary cap. Baseball, the richest players, the longest contracts. You know, this is the Kardashians complaining, you know, their second ballet didn't show up to take them to a private airport. Nobody really wants to hear this.

And by the way, baseball yesterday also, they had a bunch of proposals. And they were cool. Baseball said, hey, we're just going to play half a season, 82 games. And I was like, cool. I'm not going to try to stuff 140 games in here. I thought that's cool. And they said, first you're going to play your division, then your region.

And I was like, that's pretty good. And then they said, hey, we're going to have a universal DH, ALNL. And I thought, well, okay, that's pretty good. I was like baseball. Baseball's doing some cool stuff here. I like what I hear. But the headline today isn't any of those. It's two words.

Revenue sharing. It's not that money doesn't matter to the NFL. It does. Believe me, it's not that money doesn't matter to hockey and the MLS and the NBA. But it shouldn't be your headline today. It really shouldn't be your headline today. At some point, and I'm a capitalist, but there's a time and a place to argue about wealth.

You know, and this is not a great spot for that. Good to have you in today. Yesterday we had David Falkon, who was Michael Jordan's agent and lawyer. And it was a 30-minute interview. Got a lot of feedback from a lot of you that liked it. We really appreciate that. We are doing some longer interviews. But there's two things in American sports in my life.

that if I told you they were true, before they happened, you wouldn't believe it. And one of them, David Falk talked about. The other one, we witnessed, and it still makes no sense. The two things in sports, in America, in my life, that if you wrote them into a movie script, I'd say, yeah, you jump the shark. Come on, that's him. I can't get my brain around that.

That's just too much. And they both happened. And they both happened recently. And one of them was discussed yesterday. And we'll talk about that coming up next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHard Radio app. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind.

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Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence.

Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, guys? This is Clever Taylor the Fourth.

And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me. He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue with 42.

Hey, Wreck, my mama want you to weigh better. What? Hey, Miss Parker. Listen to the Clifford show on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. By the way, I'm just reading a Boston reporter because Gary Myers got some criticism for reporting that there was some irritation,

a deterioration of a relationship between Josh McDaniels and Tom Brady. And I'm sure there was irritation. I think Tom was irritated his last year or two there. A reporter in Boston, Christopher Gasper, says, Gary's dead on here. The relationship was more strained than publicly portrayed. Brady found it frustrating that Josh wouldn't install plays.

Tom wanted in the game plan last season. It felt like he was being phased out. That is something organizations and companies do. They kind of move on to a, you know, slowly but surely they try to do it politically, you know, so it's not too, you know, rough around the edges. But I think New England was looking around the corner and was going to draft a quarterback. So I don't think that's make-believe.

I do think Tom was being phased out. So anyway, let me say this. Yesterday we had David Falk on, who's MJ's agent. And when I used to watch the NBA years and years and years ago, David Falk and David Stern and Michael Jordan felt like they ran the league. And it was really David Falk and David Sturton. and he represented Michael, he represented Patrick Ewing. And we know when Michael left and retired the second time,

ratings declined 50%. Michael was the league. It was like Tiger Woods with golf. People still like golf. Golfing fans, Pura's still like golf. But Tiger left and like a tournament disappeared. Ratings, even in the Masters, went down like 45%, 50%. That's not to say golf wouldn't survive without Tiger,

but it's sure as hell not as interesting without Tiger Woods in his prime. Basketball survives, but it was never as good without Michael Jordan. That was the most popular. It's been in America. But David Falk talked about the unique Nike deal that Michael signed. Remember, Converse turned Michael down. Adidas turned Michael down. And Michael wanted to wear Adidas.

That was his favorite shoe. And Converse was getting a lot of play with Magic Johnson and Larry Bird. And they turned MJ down. And then this company, this growing company in Beaverton, Oregon said, yeah, we'll make an offer. And David Falk talked about Nike. And Michael Jordan and the shoes. You know, the irony of the Air Jordan deal is probably the best deal ever made

and it's probably the worst deal ever made because no one had a clue, including Nike, that you could sell $100 million worth of shoes for a rookie in his first year. Yeah. You know, their goal was to get to $3 million by like 1987. No player before him had their own shoe. Magic didn't have a shoe.

Bird didn't have a sheet. Doc didn't have a shoe. Isaiah didn't have a shoe. Jabbar didn't have a shoe. No one had their own shoe in basketball. The only player that I can remember outside of tennis for golf that had a shoe was O.J. Simpson with a really small company called Spot Belt that we actually talked to for Michael. So, you know, the deal was groundbreaking.

Michael broke all the boundaries. Michael sells more than every player who has their own shoe combined, probably times two. You know, he sells twice as much as Underarmor's whole company. It really is amazing. And I'll just give you the numbers. There are two things in sports that it's hard. hard to comprehend. The shoe business is a trendy business.

What's the hot new shoe? Shoe consumers tend to move off shoes quickly, move into other shoes. That Michael Jordan retired 20 years ago and still sells four times as many shoes as LeBron James. And Michael hides. He's hiding in the Carolinas engulfing. It doesn't make any sense. Think about this. Jordan's brand last year generated over $3 billion.

It was almost 10% of Nike's overall sales. That doesn't make any sense. He's been out of the sport for 20 years. He made four times more than LeBron James last year. That doesn't make any sense. The shoe business is like the music business. What's hot now? Michael Still, how do you describe Michael Jordan's brand stamina?

Now, first of all, I do think. there was, it was, it was, timing was good for Michael. ESPN, the highlight factory, was rising in popularity. And here came Michael, the ultimate basketball highlight. Nike was rising as a company. And Jordan was their first star. That really mattered. Cable was big, but not that big. So you got some of Michael, but it wasn't 24-7 where it sort of diluted his brand. And also, he became the savior of American basketball. As you remember, we were now losing internationally. They

create the dream team and Michael was in his prime, starting to dominate the league. He had a couple titles. He saves America and that forms this unbelievable brand. So timing is part of it. It was a combination of the highlight culture,

the shoe culture, Hollywood was starting to really embrace athletes just starting to and Michael was on the forefront of that, but he was the accelerant. Michael has a unique ability, and not many can do this. Brett Farve has a little bit of this

where he's got a blue-collar Midwest work ethic, but he's cool for the coasts. That he he's both of those. He works in the Midwest, he played in the Midwest, but he works on the coast. He's glamorous and cool enough for the coasts. It is one of two things

to me that is almost unexplainable. It's hard to get your arms around the fact that a guy that's been out of the NBA for 20 years in an industry that's all about the moment still crushes, crushes all the current players in the shoe business. It makes no sense. The second thing in sports that if you would have told me it was going to happen, I would have laughed at you. It would be a jump-the-shark moment as a novel, as a fiction, as a movie. In 1979, the NBA allowed the three-point shot. If I would have told you, yeah, it'd be around for 30 years.

The best players really won't, won't shoot it much. Kareem won't shoot it much, and Michael won't shoot it much, and Magic won't shoot it much. Larry Bird's a great shooter, and he won't shoot it much. He's been around since 1979, but here's what happens. Here's what happens. A guy from Davidson, 30 years later, will start shooting it like his primary shot. It will eliminate centers. Young players, college basketball will totally change.

Everybody will just shoot the three-point shot or dunk. There'll be no mid-range jumper, popularized by the best player ever. Yeah, yeah. And the guy will be from Davidson, and he gets hurt a lot, and he's kind of frail, and he's not that athletic. His name will be Steph Curry. And it will change global basketball forever. Steph Curry. Yeah, I know.

The shot's been around for 30 years. But Michael Jordan didn't like taking it until they moved the ark in for a couple years. it, they moved it out, he stopped shooting it. Those two things. Michael Jordan's seemingly relentless stamina on his shoe sales and Steph Curry, of all the great NBA players, being the guy that changes the sport. I can't wrap my head around either. I can't explain either. I tried with Michael. I won't with Steph. Here's Joy with the News. Turn on the news. This is the Hurdline News. Patrick Mahomes capped off the 2019 season with a Super Bowl win,

and now he's poised to take home even more hardware in 2020. According to Fox Bet, he is the favorite to win his second MVP next season at plus 375. The reigning MVP, Lamar Jackson, is right behind Mahomes at plus 600, some other guys with some odds of Russell Wilson at plus 700, Dak Prescott, plus 1,400, Deshawn Watson, plus 1800. Drew Breeze plus 2000, Aaron Rogers was 2000, and Tom Brady, 2200. Nice to see Russell Wilson's never received one MVP vote. He's in the top five.

Isn't that insane? It's, by the way. Zero MVP votes. DeMarco Murray's gotten votes. If you look at the list of people who have gotten votes for the MP, and they're all nice players, but nothing against DeMarco Murray. Dax gotten a vote. Russell Wilson's never received a single vote.

It's ridiculous. I mean, obviously, Mojones would come in as the favor and Lamar Jackson slightly behind him. Yeah. But I do think Russell's very interesting this year because I like what they've done in the offseason. And I think he's coming back with a little bit of a chip on his shoulder this year. I think he could be a good choice for MVP, all odds provided by Fox Bet. So there was some talk before the draft that Washington was interested in taking Tua. It was enough to make Dwayne Haskins a little nervous.

But he said that Coach Ron Rivera was able to put his mind at ease. He said throughout the whole process, was just telling me to trust him, and I did so it worked out. Washington's kind of an interesting team this year. The whole NFC East is as interesting. I think it comes down to, obviously, comes down to the Cowboys and Eagles. But the Eagles, as usual, lends to, is everyone going to be healthy? And that, I think, is what's going to determine the Cowboys success in the division this year.

But 2020 is the first season since 1982 without Washington playing a single game. in primetime. They face Dallas on Thanksgiving afternoon, but all the other games are on Sunday afternoons. They're not very interesting. And the funny thing is, you can be bad in this league. Cincinnati's going to be bad. I think they're going to be interesting with Joe Burrell.

I think Miami will be average. I think if Tua plays, they'll be one of my four or five big watches. So it's just Washington's, you know, it's one thing. It's like Detroit. Cleveland's dysfunctional, but they have some stars, and it makes it interesting. Detroit and Washington are dysfunctional without star power.

And so it's like, you know, when Detroit was bad for years, but they had Barry Sanders, they were interesting. The Bears were bad for years with Walter Payton. I remember as a kid, the bears were awful forever.

But they were fascinating because Walter Payton was such an amazing, iconic player. But Washington doesn't have a lot of, there's no it there. There are some storylines with Washington this year. Obviously,

we want to see what happens with Haskins. I'd like to see what happens with their defense this year. I'm expecting them to take a step up. But yeah, I mean, after a few games with Dwayne Haskins, if we don't see a spark, there's nothing really else for them this year to do. So it doesn't surprise me they don't have that many, or any, uh, prime time games. So big UFC fight this weekend.

And interim lightweight champion Justin Gaichie is supposed to face undisputed champ Habib next title in a unification bout. But Connor McGregor wants a chance at Gaichie first. So he went on a Twitter rant yesterday demanding that he be. Gathe's next opponent. He said, the fans make the sport watching the other night I was going against, I was against going in without them, but it will be my bleeping pleasure to display the power I possess with zero background noise for them. It's me and Justin next as Habib is the biggest bottle fighter in the game, guarantee it.

McGregor also called out Gai Chi and said, try and dance around what the real threat is here all you want. I'm going to bleeping butcher you. He called Habib in absolute embarrassments. And Khabib choked him out. First of all, Conor McGregor, anybody that fights Gaichi I'm in for, I find Gaichi to be so punch efficient. He's, you know, he's like a pitcher that it's like four pitches and you're out. Like he doesn't waste time.

He's not nibbling at corners. Gaichi just sizes you up, plays the angles, delivers pops. There's no wasted motion. There's no wasted punches. No, he's a very efficient fighter. Oh, an incredibly efficient fighter. And I got to tell you something. If UFC is all I get into the football season and I get a card every other weekend, I'm going to be

fine with it. I mean, I want everything else, right? But Justin Gachie became a star Saturday. To me, as somebody that likes the UFC, but doesn't, I don't, I don't, I don't sit there and pour over all the, you know, every card, every opinion. Gachy, to me,

I'm like, okay, I got Khabib, I've got McGregor, I've got Gae and I'm like, I'm in. Because I think the kid is incredible. It was reported that the winner of this fight was going to fight Habib, but Habib and Gachis' manager talking about McGregor said he had a

chance to fight Justin in January and he picked Donald Soroni instead. So he picked the easier fight. Now the two kings of the division will fight and maybe Connor can fight someone in the co-main events. So he said he was not allowed to talk bad about anyone because it's Ramadan right now. So that was the shot that he would take at him.

But Dana White has confirmed that McGregor's interested in fighting sometime this summer, but they haven't discussed a specific date or opponents, but it's kind of looking like it's going to be Donald Seron. I think Justin Gage is my favorite fighter now in the sport. I think he's my favorite fighter. It's a big night for him. His efficiency is unbelievable.

Not a lot of trash talk. Good kid just delivers, blows, no wasted motion. He just took apart Tony Ferguson. And I was just like, Tony Ferguson was much longer, much greater reach, much more experience, and he just walked in there surgically took him apart. I found it to be fascinating. It was a great fight. Yeah.

Good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Joining us now, Rick Buecker, sponsored by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing. I don't know if you watch the UFC thing, but it is some of the only sports we have. Are you a UFC guy at all, Rick? I'm sorry that I missed it now.

After all of that, I'm like, damn it, what the hell was I doing? Listen, I know some people think it's a little too harsh. I mean, when it first came out, the women's division for me, I was like, I don't know. This is a little harsh. And then everything gets normalized. And I sat there Saturday night. And I thought it was so entertaining. The fights were outside of one heavyweight fight.

Very, very evenly matched. So there you go. All right, I want to talk about, I said yesterday to start my show, conspiracy theorists drive me nuts. I'm not sure there's ever been a sports conspiracy theory that's been proven true. I know there's, I went online yesterday. There's been a handful historically that have been proven true. But, you know, I, the gambling thing,

Jordan forced out. I never bought into. As somebody who covered the league, was it a fair topic when it came up back then? It was a fair topic in terms of, so what's going on? This is rather abrupt. There's a lot of talk about the gambling. We didn't know the depth of his gambling and whether there were issues there. There's a lot of extrapolation. Jordan is notorious for notorious for not tipping, for being a terrible tipper. Yeah. And I think people extrapolated he's notorious for not paying his debts necessarily or rolling them over and saying, let's go double or nothing, whatever it might be.

And so there began a connecting of the dots without any real evidence. But this idea that there was a depth to Jordan's gambling, and keep in mind, we were also in a different era where any gambling association with sports and sports figures was a huge negative, a huge red flag. And I just don't think our mindset is the same today as it was then. So there was just a little too much unknown with a big figure, and people, obviously, rumors did run rampant. The problem is that those rumors then began to appear. in print without any real objectivity or proof behind them.

And I don't think people – I think this happens with major figures is we stop looking at them as human beings. And the idea that anyone would associate the death of Michael Jordan's father and attribute it to something that he did and would do that cavalierly. is just horrific in my mind. But people weren't looking at Michael, they were looking at Michael Jordan as this deity, this figure, this God, this larger than life person,

and they weren't connecting. Do you understand what you're really doing here? You're saying that he basically caused the death of his father without any real proof. And I think if you stopped and looked at it that way, it would have given anybody pause for saying it or writing. it, but that's not what happened. And so as we look back, as the doc looks back at it, you look at it and you go, man, what is with the media to ever allow these conspiracy theories? It's one

thing to have these conversations in a press room. It's another to put them in print and have the public consume them. Yeah, I said this to Doug Gottlieb yesterday. I can go on the air on a single source story if it's not damaging to the person. If I hear like Baker Mayfield struggling with Freddie Kitchens and he doesn't respect Freddie Kitchens. And he doesn't respect Freddie Kitchens. I can say that with one source. But if it's a punitive mark on somebody's reputation, I got to have two, three sources on it. It was remarkable to me that the media was connecting the two without a, as Bob Costa said, without a thimble of evidence. One of the things that was also interesting years later, Rick, is that when Michael came back, he still gambled.

It wasn't like he stopped gambling. Like if you got fired from a place or suspended because they said you were berating coworkers, and they brought you back, you probably wouldn't berate coworkers anymore. Michael came back and he was on the documentary. He's gambling with security guards. He's gambling with janitors. You know, it's like if it was that much of an issue, Michael would have been very careful to never be filmed again, ever gambling on anything.

And the documentary shows after he came back. He just gambled every day. Golfing, throwing quarters up against a wall. So, I mean, you can respond to that, but that's kind of my takeaway. Yeah, no, no, no. And that's the part that I wish, and I guess I understand, first of all, the documentary is a Jordan production and the whole, I feel as if there's an underlying purpose to this,

which is let me remind everybody who I want. was and let me set the record straight on a couple of things that are lingering out there. Yeah. And that that's that's the purpose of this. But I, I would love to have, and I wish this documentary was doing this, is to truly understand what it was about Michael Jordan's desire to gamble on everything and anything and to add juice. because you look at it, you look at the what he was able to accomplish

and the levels at which he competed. And on one hand, I would say, dude, you were playing for championships every year. You were playing for this legacy above everything else. Like, what was it about pitching quarters with a security guard that just added to your life? Like, I'd be interested in understanding what it was that drove that in him, not to look at it from a negative, but simply like the whole dynamic

of how Michael Jordan operated and how his brain work, that's what I wish I was getting more of when it comes to the gambling subject. You know, I'll throw my psych 101 cap on, that Michael was so great and some of it was so easy for him to dominate that he needed juice in his life. He needed constant juice in his life because women were attracted to him, men were attracted to him. He dominated the game. Money wasn't an issue. Michael needed juice. He needed juice every second of his life because he'd gotten so rich. People were throwing themselves, men and women at him. And it was like, how do I keep, you know, we always see him kind of creating these mythical

rivals that don't really exist like LaBradford Smith. And I think Mike is just always, he's seeking juice. He needs competition because you can get bored very, easily when things come easily to you. Can you stick around? Yeah, sure. Okay, we'll take a break. Come back. Rick Buecker, it's the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise,

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Hey, Miss Parker. Listen to the Cliverts show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Rick Buecker joining us. By the way, Bueker last night, I had a buddy over my house, smoked a cigar, drank some wine, and he's a restaurant tour. And I asked him, I know who he is. I know who he is and I saw it. And I was jealous, okay? Let me just jump to the four on that. Okay. So he told me Michael Jordan was a great. great tipper so that Michael came to a restaurant he had in St. Louis because Michael's son was training or doing something in St. Louis. If he played at University of St. Louis, I don't know. And he said Jordan was a massive tipper. And I just got a call from somebody during the break that's

close to Michael. And he said when he went to dinner with Michael, he was a huge tipper. So Pippin was no tippin' pippin. But I have heard stories that Michael was a, massive tipper. I've heard both. Okay. I've heard that he stiffed some people and, but I will take the word from, uh, from others that he, that, that he also tip. But I, I, I, look, I've heard stories where, uh, when he was golfing, you know, typical leave something for the, the, the, the, the caddy or leave something for the guy who, uh, who cleans your clubs. And and they got nothing from Jordan, and it stood out just because we know how much Jordan makes.

By the way, I'll throw this out to defend Jordan on this, and I want your opinion on this. Yeah. So for years, when I would go to hotels, I never tipped, I never left any money at the hotel for the people to clean the room, and it wasn't, I didn't think I was a jerk. I didn't even know that was like a thing. So for the first 30 years of my life,

I never left a penny for anybody in a hotel because I didn't. I didn't know that was a position you tipped. And now I always leave a 20 or, you know, a couple 20s. So is it possible that there are people out there, especially based on, you know, we all have different backgrounds, different cultures. Sports are now all international. Some cultures may be more celebratory. Some tip more. Some don't.

Is it possible that some young guys aren't just bad tippers? They don't know when to tip. I think that's very possible. Okay. I think there's also just a, yeah, not knowing what positions need to be tipped or looking at certain roles or jobs and saying, you know what, if the waiter, a great meal, I will tip and I will tip extravagantly on that because I really enjoyed this. You know what? You brought my car around. Come on, really.

Am I going to tip the vat? Just whatever it is, right? we can have different standards for different jobs. Do you do... By the way, just so you know, I've always tipped the hotel made. Well, you went to an Ivy League school. You're very sophisticated. I went to a...

No, no, no, no. You know what it is? You know what it is? They get to be in my room when I'm not there. Look, I want to be on their good side. I want them to take care of me and for us to have a good relationship. Do you tip Starbucks or Pete's coffee people? You know what?

Well, so here's the thing. I like to use the app, and the app kind of takes that out of the equation. Yes. My wife is a big tipper when it comes to coffee and picking stuff up like that. I'm not as extravagant there. I'm not. No, it's very, very fair. Okay, I got three minutes left.

I got a bunch of things I could talk to you about. Let's just address this. let's now shift to the NBA. Baseball yesterday, I thought it was really not great optics, started arguing about revenue sharing in a pandemic with 20% unemployment coming. I do feel like the NBA would go for it if they got the testing. There are blood tests now. You can poke a finger, find out immediately, have it, don't have it.

So I do think the NBA, at least for me as a consumer, they're coming across like, We'll play. We just got to get the testing right. Is that fair? Well, yeah, and it's not just the testing for the players. It's the testing for anybody in America wants to get tested. They can't. They don't want the PR nightmare of, oh, wait a minute, you're getting preferential treatment. I'm, you know, I'm in Butte, Montana, and I have symptoms and I can't get a test. but LeBron James can get a test every day just so we can play NBA games. They, and I've, from what I've read, as you have, that widespread availability, we are on the cusp of that, certainly should have it by the end of the month. And to me, that is the one element outside of the NBA's purview that they want in place.

everything else, as long as they can negotiate it with their players. And trust me, there's going to be a little bit of hardball here with the players because there is going to be a risk factor for the players. You can't completely eliminate it. But the reality is you're not going to be able to eliminate it not only for this season, but for next season. We're not going to have a vaccine in place by the time that next season start. So you're going to have to play at some.

point without having a vaccine available, which means that there's going to be a risk factor. The hard reality of it is that the NBA needs to get back to business or their entire revenue structure with the salary cap and everything else is going to be crushed. And I am just waiting for the owners. if there's any pushback from the players on resuming this season without a vaccine, that the owners are going to say, if you take us to there, we're going to, we will, we're going to hit the nuclear button, we're going to blow up the CBA, and we're going to start this thing from scratch, and you're not going to like the term.

I don't know that they get there, but I know that that's in the owner's back pocket. Yeah, let's remember that. So players have taken a pay cut now. I'd never forget. Recessions, depressions, or garage sales for the wealthy. And the owners will have massive leverage out of this, not the players. If the players go hardball and say, we're not going to do it, then next year, billionaires have a lot of leverage and a lot of capital.

That's exactly right. They will make sure that they are not getting the short end of this. and that the players will compensate for whatever is lost. Okay, we got to go. Rick Buecker, a tipper except for coffee. I'm a tipper except for hotels, and I feel terribly guilty about it. I drink a lot of coffee, too, so it's not a good look on me. All right, good talking to you, bud.

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IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. It's nice to have you in today. Mark Sanchez, haven't talked to in a while, 15 minutes, former NFL quarterback. John Paul Morosi, Fox Sports Baseball Reporter on yesterday Baseball Owners, baseball players can't agree. I'm not siding with either one. I just don't think you should be getting stuck on revenue share when it's an 80 game schedule and people want baseball back.

I also think it's an unbelievable opportunity for baseball because I'm 50-50 on whether basketball returns. I do think there's enough tests out there. We're testing over 300,000 people a day. By the way, they're closing all sorts of testing sites because there's no demand for it. I do think testing is ramping up quickly at 300,000 tests a day. will be the half a million tests in a couple of weeks. People that want to get tested in California, everybody that wants to get tested can get tested.

If I'm the NBA, I wouldn't be consumed with the optics on testing. By the time you'd come back, everybody's going to be able to get tested. As it is now, most people can get tested. I had two friends get tested yesterday in the state of California, which is a big state with 40 million people. Let me start, Joy, how are you? By the way, how are you? I'm doing great.

You know, sometimes people think I'm tough. on Aaron Rogers. Yeah. And so when I find opportunities to defend Aaron Rogers, I do. Because I know the perception is I'm really rough on Aaron Rogers. And I think he's a Hall of Famer. I'd vote for him first ballot. I think he's great.

In fact, I've said if you give me Aaron Rogers and Brett Farv, I actually think you could have a slight edge to Aaron Rogers over Brett Farv, although I do think there's some alpha with Brett Farb I really like. There's some country, some old school to Brett Farb, I really like. I like his leadership qualities a little more than Aaron, but Aaron doesn't make as many mistakes. I think if you forced me to take one, and it would be not easy, I'd probably take Aaron over Farv. I'm not sure I'm right, and I'm not sure people would agree with me. But when I find opportunities to defend Aaron, I do because people think I am really harsh on him.

So let me just say this. Brett Farve said yesterday, mentor Jordan Love, that's not Aaron Rogers' job. Aaron's job is not to mentor Jordan Love. Aaron's job is to win football games for the Green Bay Packers. That's what he's paid to do, and that's what he's going to do. Agreed. Aaron Rogers' job is to win, and anything that gets in the way of that is the enemy. Isn't that why we love the Michael Jordan documentary?

Because you either wanted to win, and if you were Isaiah Thomas or Scotty Borell or Jerry Krauss, if you got in the way of winning, we don't like you. Well, Aaron Rogers is at the point in his career. He's iconic, not MJ, but he's iconic. If anything gets in the way of winning, it should be Aaron Rogers enemy. I don't want to hear about how progressive he is, and he's a great student, a mentor, a teacher, student relationship. Not interested. Win games.

I would always defend Aaron Rogers. Professional athletes have tiny windows in which they can play. It's a GM's job, a coach's job, a hitting coach's job, a pitching coach's job, an owner's job. You develop your roster. That's not Aaron Rogers' responsibility. His responsibility is to win the NFC North. That's his responsibility. So I will defend Aaron and Brett on that.

Speaking of that, I saw a story yesterday that the Washington Redskins, Joy had mentioned this earlier in a herd line. They have no primetime games for the first time since 1982. And my first takeaway is they had one every year from 83 until last year. Really? How did they get on TV those years? I wasn't watching. They had a lot of lean years. But they don't have an interesting storyline.

The most interesting storyline is Alex Smith's leg. Secondly, Dwayne Haskins' growth. And I don't think, you know, Alex, I'm more interested right now than Dwayne Haskins. But I was sitting there. I tend to like drama. I tend to like new. And I tend to like combustible. And Joy and I always say.

that there is a tire-fire component. We like drama. It's fun. Drama's fun. Even though A-B. was kind of sad at the end, the whole Steeler, Raider, Patriot thing for a while anyway, was kind of interesting.

And so I was thinking this morning, you can be bad and still be fascinating. One of the things I'm shocked by is that the New England Patriots, who could be good, got five primetime games. I don't find them compelling. at all. They don't have a star. Their best players are a corner. They don't have a single offensive

player that gets me to a TV set. Now, Keel Harry is interesting, the Arizona State receiver. Interesting, not fascinating. And so I thought I'd give you just my list. These, I believe, are the 10 teams that will get me to a TV set. These are the 10 most interesting NFL teams for me to watch this year. Let's start with 10. Number 10. I'd say Pittsburgh. Big Ben's coming back. their offense lagged. They've got a great defense. It's a historic franchise. And as Jay Glazer pointed out,

Big Ben is not an off-season grinder guy. And so I'm interested. There's some drama here. I'm predicting Ben isn't great. The timing's not sensational. And that they don't make the playoffs. Just the fact that I said that creates kind of an argument. I believe it.

So I think they're number 10. Number nine. Russell Wilson Seahawks. There's not a lot of drama. They'll make the playoffs. They make the playoffs every year. But I do believe he's the best football player in the NFL, the best total football player, leader, intelligence, playmaking,

accuracy, skill at his position. And so Russell's always going to make my top 10. They have, they were the fourth best rushing team last year. I think they'll improve there. They've upgraded their offensive line. I want to watch Greg Olson as well from Carolina now to Seattle. Number eight. I'm fascinated by Arizona.

And again, because there's a little bit of a. tire-fire component here. Kyler is like a poor man's Russell Wilson. They gave him DeAndre Hopkins. Steve Kimes a friend. And my takeaway is Cliff Kingsbury really know if it's going to work. I think Kyler's going to work. And so I find them to be the dysfunctional Seattle. That I got a new coach and a new quarterback and it could be really exciting. But unlike Seattle, I know we'll make the playoffs. Arizona could be four and 12 or nine and seven. I put them at eight. Number seven.

Jimmy Garoppel in the 49ers. First Kyle Shanahan, I think, is the most creative offensive mind in football. And I like watching, I like watching offensive minds. And I also think there's a Super Bowl hangover issue. We just have history here that if you lose in the Super Bowl and lose like an Atlanta or San Francisco where you appear to have the game won, it can go off the tracks. So I think there's a little drama here. Little drama with San Francisco. Number six.

Cincinnati, Bengals. classic bad team fascinating story. Here comes Joe Burrow and here comes wide receiver T. Higgins in a tough division. And everybody's telling me he's the savior. And I'm just telling you, Joe Burrow is a very good prospect that he's not great.

He's not Andrew Luck. He can't win a division and get to the AFC championship with a crappy O line and a GM that's hurting him and a coach that isn't the future. So I think Cincinnati's bad team, average to below average roster, but fascinating because I think Joe Burrow is good, Not as good as everybody else thinks, and maybe I'm selfishly.

I just want to watch because of the grease fire component. Number five. The Jets. If Adam Gase doesn't win, he's gone, Sam Darnold finally, although they're very young, has what appears to be a competent group of offensive linemen. Their schedule is brutal. The Patriots are now out of the division.

I think Darnold's the most talented quarterback in the division. He's been mistake prone, but unbelievably a playmaking dynamic at times. They went seven and six last year with an atrocious O line, average receivers, some dysfunction on the coaching staff, and mono. So I think the Jets for me is five. Number four. Raiders in Vegas first time.

I may have them low, but no team to relocate in the Super Bowl era has won more than nine games. It's hard. They got a new stadium. I've seen it up close. I got the Derek Carr-Marcus Marioata component. You know the minute Derek Carr struggles. Marcus Mario da is making eight large a year. Gruden's going to move on him.

So I think there's a little dysfunction and a potential in a really improving division, tough division, to be a little bit of a mess, and I'm here for it. Number three. The Ravens, is Lamar Jackson going to keep growing and growing and growing? I think they're the best team in the NFL. I think he's now supported with a virtually perfect offensive cast. They added J.K. Dobbins. They already had a great running attack.

But I do believe there's a lot of people out there that think the more you're see a Lamar, the less impressive he is. I don't happen to be one of those people. I think he's going to go to the next level and get to the Super Bowl. But there are doubters. And doubters equal drama. And so I'm going to watch. Number two. Baker Mayfield doesn't win he's out. The roster's too good. He's got a grown-up coach. I mean, it's funny. For all I say about Baker, I've never denied, it's like Russell Westbrook. I'm watching Russell Westbrook in playoff games. The unraveling is fascinating. Baker Mayfield, field in Cleveland now. I don't believe

if Baker struggles, he gets another year because of all of his missteps in the media, missteps calling out the medical staff. I think if Sam Darnold struggled, they'd fire Gase because he's been kind of the perfect NFL quarterback citizen. With Baker, there's been some nonsense and some hubris.

I think they'd bail on him, so I want to watch it unfold. Number one. Tom Brady, Tampa. I think they're going to be rough early, good middle, excellent late, but we don't know. No OTA, young receivers. I think there's a redemption story for Tom Brady, wants to prove New England wrong. Gronks fun.

I think Tampa Bay is going to get massive numbers. Now, I know what you're saying. Where's Kansas City? Well, there's no drama with them. There's no drama. They're great. They're going to score a bunch of points. Their coach is great.

They won the Super Bowl. And I think they're going to get to the AFC championship. So I'm not saying I'm not going to watch Kansas City when they're on. But these teams, there's drama. There's push. There's pull. There's doubters. There's critics.

I think San Francisco. in that division could pull back. I think San Francisco could be looking at, you know, five and three, and you're like, I don't know, here comes Arizona. Rams are better than we thought. So those to me are the 10 teams that'll get me to a TV set. That is not a shot on Kansas City. I just don't see any drama.

They're going to score 30 a game, win 10 or 11 games. The division's better, but they're going to win it, and I don't see a ton of drama. I just think they're excellent. And I've said this. Not all excellent teams are fascinating. I always understood people that didn't like New England. I told Joy this.

I get people who said it's a system and it's boring. I thought the San Antonio Spurs with Tim Duncan were boring. I thought that dynasty was boring. I think Alabama's dynasty isn't nearly as much fun as the Miami Hurricanes dynasty or USC's dynasty. Like not all dynasties are fascinating. You can be dominant and not have any flare. Or drama.

Right. And he reads the nicest guy in the world. Patrick Mahomes appears to be the sweet. kid in the world, they're going to score a bunch of points. I bet. That is no draw. I know they're going to be great. Baltimore, I think they're going to be great, but there are a lot of critics with Lamar who think, the more you see, the less you get. And you say to yourself, well, what about Seattle? Russell Wilson, Seattle's offense isn't good enough to score 40 points. So doesn't it always seem like Seattle's always in close games? Doesn't it always feel like?

Will you feel that way because of Russell Wilson? Yeah, he's saving Seattle's O-line and saving see, yeah, I don't feel like Patrick Mahomes is saving anybody. It's a firework show. And I've always said, firework shows are fun. They get old fast. Kansas City's just going to light the scoreboard forever. That's not a question. So those are the 10 teams that'll get me to a TV set. Don't have New England. I don't get it. And Kansas City is just going to be great. I don't have Green Bay either because I think I don't see a lot of drama with Green Bay. I think they'll be efficient. They'll score some points. Aaron will be a good soldier for the cameras and it'll be fine. I don't see a lot of push pull.

with the Jordan love stuff. Aaron's too smart to get involved in that nonsense. Hey, coming up next, right around the corner, Mark Sanchez. Haven't talked to him in a while. How do you stay in shape? What do you do? He's got a new project as well. That's coming up. Whether you're working from home or on your fitness, you want to hear your music, not your roommates. Raycon's wireless earbuds are the way to go. 15% off your Raycon order by Raycon.com. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m.

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Mark just sat down with Jordan Love, too, and Justin Herbert. And Mark, how are you this morning? family. How's your brother? How's your dad? Oh, I appreciate you asking about them. And thank you for that intro. Everything's going well, staying safe and healthy, and hopefully the same for you. Are you living in Southern California now? Yes, sir. Orange County still? You got it. Yeah. Yeah, I was down there a couple weeks ago, and people are getting out, and life's getting a little bit more normal. So I feel like I kind of know Tua, and because I used to work in Portland, I kind of know Justin Herbert. But I don't feel like I know Jordan

Love, and though I've defended him on this channel, because he was terrific when he had a coach that understood his skills and not so good when he had a coach that perhaps did not. And I think it's often the coach, not the player, we should blame. Tell me about Jordan Love the guy. I don't know. I know he got caught smoking some pot. I don't care too much about that. Maybe that's my West Coast vibe.

It's not the end of the – you know what I mean? Tell me about Jordan Love the guy, Mark. well you know he's he's a special player obviously and you see it on tape and you see it in these spurts and these flashes like you talked about you know the year before he came out like not this past season but the one before i mean it's it's unbelievable we're talking about him potentially being one of the top quarterbacks in the draft like maybe number one overall with him and tyler murray and those kind of guys and he comes back as a whole new offense whole new offense coordinator and it's it's spotting it's uh it's you know you see

some flashes, like I said, and there's capes that are made of him and they're spliced together with Patrick Mahomes. And you literally see physically the same talent at times. And then other times you're scratching your head, like, well, what are you doing? So it was great to go through a two-minute drill with him against his wake, against Wake Forest. It was the first game in season. And he's going through the drive and understanding a two-minute drill, just having the basic blueprint of like, okay, I need three things to happen no matter what. We need a positive play

on first down, no matter what. We can't take any sacks or penalties, and we need one explosive run or one explosive pass. Usually an explosive run comes after a stop clock, right? Because you're not going to run the ball in a two-minute situation. But he didn't know that. And that's no detriment to him. He just had never been taught. He didn't understand that. And so that's like a two-minute trifecta that will guarantee your point in a two-minute drive. And these are things, that Aaron Rogers knows. These are things that Drew Brees, those kind of players, know. So he just doesn't understand that.

And the first three plays of that drive might be the worst plays I've ever seen him have because he's throwing the ball. The ball's getting tipped by defenders. They almost have two interceptors on the first two plays. And then he kind of settles in and starts playing the right way. But he's just understanding situations. He needs guidance. He needs help that way.

But the kid has all the talent in the world. And the ceiling is awfully high for him. So if he can glean some of that experience from Aaron and those kind of skills, if Aaron's willing to, you know, even just by watching the guy, even if he never talks to him, right? He's going to learn from him just by watching. So I think that can only help. And he's going to develop into a great player. You know, it's Justin Herbert.

I had him on the show. And I've heard this from two general managers is that he's a little robotic. He's smart. But sometimes I want more maestro than role. Robots. And I think to myself, well, I watched Oregon, Mark, and they had kind of a run first head coach, kind of a conservative offense. Oh, no doubt.

And so I think to myself, should I blame Justin? When you said, did you interview Justin and what did you make of him as a kid? Just one interviewing him, well-spoken, buttoned up, put together. I mean, exactly what you're looking for in the face of a franchise. Okay, so you were good with that. Yeah, like the way you talk about Sam Donald, he's just going to say the right thing, going to do the right thing, a little bit different than the way you talk about Baker Mayfield, right? I mean, there's just other stuff that comes with a player like that and a personality like that.

But Justin, you don't have to worry about that. Now, what about his game, Mark? Now, you were a guy that loved to roll out. You always had better athletic ability than people perhaps understood. I think Justin similarly is a better athlete than people thinking that Rose Bowl, he was running away. He really is. He pulled away from some DB in that run. Yeah, we watched it.

We broke down that run and one of his, you know, his little duke moves, and I called him White Chocolate for doing that move. It was pretty funny, man. He loved it. But he's same thing. He goes through these four coordinators, and you've got to understand to develop a quarterback and understand who you're playing with. It takes time.

The reason I played well at USC, the reason I played well in my second, third year, with Shoddy and with Sark after three years, you're around that guy all the time. That's all you do is get coached by that coach. So when it changes, and every year, they just kind of look back at the old coach's film and say, okay, well, what does he do well? Okay, let's just do some of that. All right, let's run a little more read option. They're not challenging him to improve his quarterback play ability to learn how to read defenses to understand timing and spacing and all that. They're not doing that.

So he's just kind of been like, yeah, he's really good. He can run. He's big. He's fast. He's strong. Like, if we have to throw it down the field, he can throw it a mile. Okay, let's just do some of that. Instead of, hey, let's really push this kid to get better.

And that's what he's going to need to do in the NFL. I think Anthony Lynn, he knows that. He was there with us as our running back coach in New York. And he understood what they were trying to do to develop me as a young quarterback. So I think they'll give Justin some time. And as long as they don't fall into that pressure of the L.A. media and people wanting the young stud draftick to play right away, I think he's got a real shot, too. Yeah, he had four coordinators?

Oh, yeah, through college? Yeah, that's the problem. Like, you keep shuffling these guys in and out. You never know. You never know what you're getting. They don't know the quarterback that well. You just don't have enough time. So let's move to Joe Burrough.

So when you went to New York, as the organization was initially functional, Rex Ryan was popular. You were winning games. You had a great, great running game. You had a nice defense. Then as the Jets became less functional and some missteps by Rex Ryan, it hurt your progression. Joe Burrow worries me.

I don't know if Zach Taylor's good. I think he's got some qualities I like. Sean McVeigh likes him. If you could give him some advice on entering a franchise with high expectations that does have a history of some dysfunction, which the Jets had, you know firsthand. What would be your advice to Joe Burrow?

Well, listen, and this is no knock on Cincinnati, Ohio, but it's just not the media market that New York is, right? I mean, we have 10 beat writers at least every day, and that's if five people were sick, you know? Cincinnati just doesn't have that. And so, sure, he's the first round pick, but it's a lot like Tyler Murray in Arizona, not a huge media market, not the biggest story in the world.

There's other things that people care about more. So for him, he's going to have the benefit of the doubt that way. He's always going to have a target because he's the number one overall pick. But he has that mentality of, you know, I keep my head down, I don't say too much. and I'm just going to outwork everybody and let's see what happens. And I think he's been through enough with his story getting to where he got last year that as long as he can fall back on that and remember that,

what got him to that point, and then he's got to just keep pushing through any of these setbacks, any of these external concerns that he shouldn't worry about, things that are out of his control. I think that would be my only advice is just control what you can control, go work your butt off. You and T. Higgins should be thrown the ball every day. that's your guy. So develop that relationship.

And keep your head down, say the right thing, and go have a blast playing ball. Mark Sanchez, Showtime Sports YouTube channel. It's called the Intangibles. Tua, Jordan, loves some Justin Herbert. For the record, I think they're all going to be successful. I just think Justin Herbert got lucky. He gets the best roster, which I do think helps. Oh, that's a huge help. And didn't you call the Packer drafted a quarterback in the first round a couple months ago? Yes. No, I did. So here's what happened. So I said it.

How did nobody talk about that? Well, no, because I came out and I said they should draft the quarterback. And then about two weeks later, an executive in that division called me. And he said, that's what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he said, you know what, man, you can't send that message. This guy needs help. Their offensive lines overrated.

And then I said, you know what? Nah, you can't do that. But let me go to that. I will always defend an athlete. I do not believe it's Aaron Rogers' job to mentor Jordan Love. I think that's totally unfair. My job isn't to mentor Doug Gottlieb. I don't want him to have my job.

Of course. But there is a certain, a presumption that you will help him if he asks questions. Tell me the dynamic with Aaron and Jordan that you'd be okay with. And are Aaron's supposed responsibility to mentor? Yeah, listen, and Farmer's not wrong, right? It's not Aaron's job. to win. That's not a part of a, or excuse me, to mentor a younger player like Jordan Love, who's coming to take his job. But there is like an expected professionalism, right? Like,

don't make it harder on them. And I don't think Aaron would do that. Right. And there's a professionalism on the other side, too, on Jordan Love's side of, you know, getting his hit pockets, soak up everything you can without being the annoying little brother that he can't stand. Right? I mean, that's fair too. If you're going to have learned to be professional, then you expect the other guy to be professional too. And so I think just by watching him enough, like I said, just being around the guy, it can't hurt. Like if I got to learn my first year from Drew Breeze, even if he never talked to me, you could still just watch him and understand, try and understand what he's doing, ask the coaches, hey, how did he know that? How did he make that check? I used to do that with liner all

the time. He had just come back from winning a Heisman, and I'm watching him in practice. And I mean, in some ways, I'm like careful to talk to the guy because he's a Heisman trophy winner. He's the quarterback and I'm like this young punk redshirt freshman like who cares and so I would just watch and watch and listen and go kind of sneak up to the huddle and listen to the way he called plays and the way he talked to guys on third down and you just soak up all that information so I expect Jordan to do that and then you expect Aaron to be a total pro like I think he will be and he's not going to like diagram plays for him and install the offense for him I can do that but at the same time he can be a pro and I think you will by the way I like

Tua a lot. I would... He's special, man. Everybody says that. What's crazy, here's what I think it is. And I don't know if I've heard anybody else say it. So I don't want to take credit for it, but the way I talk to Sark about it, sometimes he can't even articulate what he did on film.

And it leaves you scratching your head because it's so good and so fast and so instinctive. You're like, well, how did you know that? And you can't really get the words out. Like he doesn't even know. It's almost like he's processing what's happening physically in front of him. And in those nanoseconds, his body's already reacting. He's already making decisions that he didn't even know he could make that quickly, and he can't even talk about it.

So I was like, what the heck is that? How did you know? And, I mean, it's just it's uncanny the way he does stuff like that. So it's almost like he's mentally twitchy. You know, they talk about athletes how the fast-twitch guys. That's what the brain is. And he can't even stay past enough. It's crazy.

I've never been around anybody like that. Yeah. Russell Wilson certainly has some of that. Oh, no doubt. No doubt. Yeah. Hey, good luck to you and your fam. Hope everything's good for you, Mark.

It's called The Intangibles with Mark Sanchez. A good dude, Showtime Sports YouTube channel. You're always welcome on the show. And hopefully next time we talk, USC's got 11 or 12 wins. There we go. That would give us some fun to talk about. Appreciate it.

You bet, Mark Sanchez. Here is Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Mark Sanchez was a part of my favorite season of my brother's career. What? Oh, Mark. Which he doesn't like me saying.

And either just anyone in Miami. Well, that was the year he went to the Jets, the 2010 season, that they went to the AFC championship game. They lost to Pittsburgh. But Mark was the quarterback then. No, they actually, Mark, yeah, that was on hard knocks. Mark had two years where he kept developing. Mark should have probably stayed in college for one more year, came out, could have really used

seasoning and reps. but I think Pete Carroll wasn't happy about it. But Mark had two really good years. He got better. He got better. He got better. And then the Jets became dysfunctional. And I didn't think Mark was talented enough, like Russell Wilson, to just overcome some mistakes in drafting, mistakes in coaching.

And that's really what we're talking about. Deshaun Watson is gifted enough to overcome a lot of nonsense. Andrew Luck was you maybe get two guys a decade like that. Most quarterbacks, if you have a bad coach, a bad. GM in a lousy line, it's man overboard. And I always felt Sanchez was building, but he wasn't good enough when dysfunction started unraveling to just overcome it. And that's his career.

Well, and, you know, they only had that Hall of Fame defensive end for one year. That's right. You know, I refuse to stay longer. So Christian McCaffrey is getting some offseason work in at home with his brothers, who are both college quarterbacks. He says his training schedule hasn't changed and he's able to do everything. he would normally do in the off season, just not with his team. And he is also trying to improve not only as a running back,

but also as a receiver as he studies the playbook from new offensive coordinator, Joe Brady. So everyone's trying to find, you know, some innovative ways to stay in shape and train. That's pretty handy to have two brothers who are college quarterbacks to work out with. Yes. He's the only player to record 2,500 yards rushing and receiving in his first three seasons. Obviously, we know he just got paid in Carolina. Carolina is one of those teams that I think is going to get not overlooked,

but has a lot of question marks because they do have Teddy Bridgewater as a new quarterback and they do have new coach in that room. They do have a new coordinator. There's a lot of new stuff. But a lot of good new stuff. And a lot of offensive firepower from the brain of Matt Rule. Remember, this league is often about you lost a game, you didn't win it. With Bridgewater, he will not lose games for you.

If you've got a running game and you've got grown-up wide receivers, Teddy will move the chains. I think Carolina is the best bet on the board. Fox bet. The best over bet on the board. They're five and a half. They feel very much, very capable of being an eight and eight football team to me.

And fun to watch with Matt Ruhl. Remember, he's a culture creator. That's what he does. Yeah. He'll turn that thing around. There's no drama in the locker room. There's no drama. It's just a young,

offensively gifted team. It's built. It's built for Matt Rule to score a bunch of points. I feel like they're going to steal a couple games from some really good teams that are going to change the playoffs for that team's future. So Jimmy Garabolo has been getting some mixed reviews since the 49ers lost the Super Bowl, but he can still count Joe Namath as a fan. He told the San Francisco Chronicle, I've liked him ever since I saw him in college, and I

still think a great deal of his abilities and the way he carries himself. I like his style. It's great to hear that he's that kind of guy and that his teammates can appreciate him and he appreciates them. He knows he's not doing it all by himself and he can flat play. Well, when Joe Namath says he likes your style,

that's a huge compliment. Obviously, we know he's Broadway Joe. But I don't understand the massive pushback on Jimmy Garoppolo after the Super Bowl. Somebody's got to lose, and he had an incredible season. It came down to a couple of plays as it usually does. I understand they blew a 10-point lead, but you can give the defense a little bit of the credit for that, too.

Obviously, you didn't play great in that. in that space. But he was ranked 13th of the quarterback stars in 2019 on pro football focus. He's 11th best odds to win MVP this year on Foxbet. And he had an incredible season. I think there's always some reaction to the team that loses, right? Like after the Rams loss, it was like, oh my God, Todd Gurley, his career is over. Sean McVeigh, he's not the genius we thought he was.

Jared Gough, that contract's horrible. There's always some, you know, reaction to the team that lost the Super Bowl, especially when you come in with high expectations as the Rams and the 49ers did. But I think overall, the way that the 49ers have retooled this off season, they're coming back with the same situation, which as we know with everything going on is a huge advantage. They had an incredible season last year. Everyone just calmed down.

Jimmy G's still the guy. And Joe Namath said so too, so we got to listen. So Lamar Jackson doesn't attribute one single habit to his NFL success, but he did reveal what his go-to meal is before taking the field. I always find this stuff interesting. So he said, Shrimp Alfredo is the meal that he eats before the game. That feels heavy.

They say that pasta helps your brain. I feel like I can go out with a level head and I can think. I wouldn't call it a good luck meal, but I guess it is. He said he started the tradition in high school when his team would have pasta nights before every Friday night game. Now, I used to run track. So we used to eat pasta. They would tell you to eat pasta the day before a meet. Yeah, I used to eat pasta before a May, a half marathon.

Yeah, big bowl of pasta. Yeah. So it gives you, you know, a little bit of energy. So it's about, it's 1,148 calories about, and it's 24% of your total carbohydrates for the day. You burn an estimate of 3,000 calories during a football game, a little over 500 per hour. So I guess it makes some sense. But that does feel like a heavy meal. I don't like to, like before I go workout, I don't like to eat before I work out.

Obviously, my workout is not compared to an NFL game. No, I can't. But like to have a heavy stomach. Guys eat all kinds of different. stuff. And I've heard of guys like eating during halftime too. Oh, God, no. I can't eat. If I'm going to go for a run, I got to have a two hours. I'll go home.

I have to go two hours without eating to work out. Yeah, I don't like to work out on a full stomach. But again, our light jogs are not really compared to an NFL football game. Good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. John

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I'm Sam Jett. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here. unpack what went down and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 was big to me not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know.

I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack, so I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now, so... Thank you finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black. black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in

American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up guys? This is Clever Taylor the 4th. And on my podcast, the Cliverts show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee.

We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me, he goes, A, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue with 42. Hey, Rhett, my mama want you to weigh better. What?

Hey, Miss Parker. Listen to the Cliverts show on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. John Paul Morosi covers baseball for Fox Sports and has covered baseball for the last 15 years. Detroit Free Press, Seattle Post Intelligenter, and he went to Harvard. We like smart guys. John's joining us. Let's start with this. I didn't think the optics were great for Tony Clark, Scott Burroughs.

I think it comes across as sort of heavy handing when we're looking at 20% unemployment. But do you believe there's a means to an end, John Paul, in terms of this is just part of the process to get going again? That's exactly what's happening here in many ways, that even in the midst of what we're going through as a country and a world, week and next, is unlikely made on the economics, at least, of this decision. I like the DH because it is, it's better than watching a pitcher hit. There's a loss in strategy. But the on-field proposals, I thought I liked. Will there be any pushback on DH National League and American?

The union is always that if added universally would cross MLB. Colin, there's a chance for MLB with the possibility of a different look like. Before COVID-19 came about, I believe that we would see before the end of the 20th. 20s, I still think there's a chance to do that. And we're so, D.H. And with the Padres and Dodgers and Angels all in one division, for example. And I still think that what we're seeing right now in each league. NBA's more star-driven and the stars are very outspoken on social media, baseball,

less so for whatever reasons. When you talk to players, NBA guys have said, I worry about my health. Do you think there's some of that in baseball? In fact, the health conditions and their overall can go forward because the commissioner has said before, Colin, he is not going to bring the sport back unless he has been assured, compromised. And I believe that that's going to come out as part of this agreement here going forward. Now, John, they UFC this weekend went ahead and set betting records. Great pay-per-view, and it was a great card.

Although, you know, again, it was different. The announcer's all sitting apart, no fans. I do think big picture, macro picture here, with the scarcity of sports, this could give baseball something it hasn't had in years. Talk show debate nationally, debate show debate nationally, social currency. And if you had to err on the side of, wow, this is going to pay, pay off big for the next five to ten years. Do people in baseball see that as scarcity equals the stage is yours? I believe there's going to be an agreement because both MLB in the union realized, speaking as exactly you said, social currency, perfect as people the most.

Our routines. Every day you turn on the TV, the Yankees are on, wherever you're conversation about where baseball stands in our social fabric for the game. The players, Colin, to introduce themselves, really haven't before. We've got some great young stars accessible. We just haven't really heard from them maybe as much as we've been listening here. So I think it's a great out in that way. Here's an advantage for the game itself.

Veteran teams with older pitching staffs, pitchers with big pitch counts, innings counts the last four or five years. I think it's an advantage for a veteran staff to only pitch, you know, to have 11 starts or 12, not 24. Are there teams out there that you look at the roster and think, you know what? Only 82 games is a huge edge for blank team. Likely to begin the season. Lance McCullors, Jr., coming off of Tommy John surgery,

who had deserved chances to make the playoffs and have a good season on the field within 82 games, One minute left, is there a young team that could use the reps in development but won't get it in an 82 game season? I think they've been one of the sleepers for me, Colin, that's got a really good chance to win this year. Maybe they could have used some more of the reps and the more of the familiarity to get themselves in that contending team. And I would say finally to the Dodgers, and they're not a young team, but to me, this season in so many ways is about the Dodgers, a huge trade for Mukie Betts. anything you can to win with them before it becomes a free agent this winter. Yeah, boy, Dodgers roster is good. That batting order.

Oh, my God. Not a lot of holes in that Dodgers batting order. John Paul Morosi is joining us thoughtful, and he went to Harvard. And right there, we just seek people that went to Ivy League schools. So you went to the best one. John, thank you so much. College, my pleasure. We'll do it again.

Thanks so much. All right, thank you. Yeah, it's just, listen, I've said this before. in my space, what I do for a living, what join I do, urgency matters. We want to talk about stuff that's urgent. That's why Fox News and MSNBC talk about Trump. He's urgent, right?

And baseball's regular season lacks urgency. To be the only thing on and 82 games, where if you go on a seven-game winning streak, it's like a real deal. I think baseball could give themselves an emotional connectivity with people, bring some fans back. it would be, it would feel American.

It would be resilient. It would be tough. It would be overcoming. It would be all the things that we love about football. Yeah, like Fourth of July, baseball. Are you kidding me? God, it would be gigantic for the sport. So it's like, let's get over the, let's just get over the finances here.

Let's get through it. We're all going to be fine. You're going to make a bunch of money. I think it would be a windfall for the sport. Get your free credit scorecard today, even if you're not a discover. customer includes your FICA credit score, checking your scorecard. Won't hurt your credit. Learn more at Discover.com slash credit scorecard. Limitations apply.

Great last hour. David Spade, the comedian, friend of the show will be joining us as well. Another thought on MJ, why he was concerned you wouldn't like him, and yet you like him more. That's coming up. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Oh, here we go.

Hour number three topics. We got nothing but topics. Live in Los Angeles, this is the herd. Wherever you may be, and however, you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1, a sports fan, David Spade. He watched the UFC this weekend. He's watching the Jordan documentary. He's going to be joining us.

He's got a funny new movie out. Enjoy Taylor. How are you? I'm doing great. Having a good week. So I smoked a cigar last night. Saw? And my wife said, how are you feeling?

with that cigar thing. Oh, like, is this going to be a permanent thing? I said, well, I'm not going to have one the night. I think I'm going to hydrate tonight. And, yeah, I'm not really a cigar smoker. So I had one with a dear friend last night, David Slay. And we were testing. I like a good cigar every once in a while.

Yeah, yeah. It does change your morning, though, if you're not a regular smoker. I'm in my clothes this morning. My cat looked at me weird. It's like, bro, what's up with you? You stink. So it's good to have you in. By the way, speaking.

to my wife. I irritate my wife sometimes and she'll say, I'll say, you want to go out to dinner? And my wife will say, yeah. And I'll say, where do you want to go? And she goes, no, no, no, you choose. My wife likes me to be a man. She likes me to be a man. There are things in the house. Don't listen to the media. The media wants you to believe everything's shared and the duties are all. Not at my house. My wife, I take the garbage out. Okay, that's all me. And she's proud of it. I'm proud of her. And I don't believe all the media nonsense that women love metrosexuals.

There's a reason they put calendars out every year with firemen with no shirts on. And they fly off the shelves. It's not poets without their shirts on. Women like men. And this is why Michael Jordan was worried that he wouldn't be popular with his documentary. And why we like him more? Because he's a guy and he's a guy's guy. people in the media, political and sports,

are trying to convince you what you're supposed to like. I've never played that game. I talk about what research tells me you already like. I'm not in the convincing business. I'm in the, what do you like? I'll try to make an interesting business. All the political people, you should like the revolution with Bernie,

the young mayor Pete, and it's this candidate and this candidate and the country is telling you, no, we'll go Biden-Trump. We want experience. We want older people. We're not into your new hip revolution candidates. We're not into that. So stop pushing them on us.

AOC, Mayor Pete. The public's not interested. They vote old. Go look at opinion shows on all the networks, sports and politics. There's no 20-year-olds getting numbers anywhere. It's mostly Rachel Maddow in her 40s. Tucker Carlson. You know, Tony and Mike, Cornizer and Will Bonn.

They've been around the block. People like wisdom. And they're not bothered by somebody who's got a little gray hair or a woman that's got gray hair. Is that Michael Jordan's Gordon Gecko. They built the film Wall Street and they thought he was going to be a villain. Remember greed is good? At the end, people are like, no, I kind of like his ideas, which is kick butt, take names. This was supposed to make Gordon Gecko a villain this moment.

The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures of the evolutionary spirit. And that landed for people. They're like, yeah, it's America. It's capitalist. We like making money.

Don't let the media feel guilty about it. It's nicer to fly first class. Work hard, hopefully fly there someday. The media tries to convince you that everybody likes progressive guys and guys who are, they're metrosexuals and they've got feelings and they're sensitive and they keep putting calendars out with firemen with no t-shirt on and they fly off the shelves. And my wife gets pissed when I say you want to go to dinner and I don't have a place picked and a table booked.

Is it Michael Jordan's an alpha? And some are going to label it toxic masculinity. But to me, I look at Michael, and he's strong-willed, great parents, smart guy, polished, and he's not backing off, and he's not going to conform to what people want to make him. He's going to be true to what his parents made him. He's a guy's totally down with it. That doesn't mean I'm looking for meatheads. I try to bring smart people on the show.

but I stay away from the wokesters because people keep telling you what they want. Listen to the people. Betta O'Rourke's handsome. They want Biden. I mean, the media is trying to convince you. You should like this and chiding you and shaming you. And people like what they like. I like oatmeal.

A lot of people look at it and say it's so boring. My mom used to get mad at me. She said, you like things with no color. I'm from England. It's gray. Have oranges and grapefruit. I went out with my mom one time, and I went to dinner and I had mashed potatoes and pasta and bread. She goes, look at your plate.

It's boring. There's no color. There's no hues. It's not dynamic. It's not vibrant. And I'm like, yeah, I like mashed potatoes and pasta and bread. That's what I like. Andy Dalton.

Nice guy. Nobody cares. Aaron Rogers. Not always nice. Fascinating. It's okay to be flawed. It's okay to be flawed. Michael Jordan, by the way, he's not obtuse. Michael knows he's rough. Michael knows. Here's a bite from Michael Jordan. He knows it's rough. He knows he's rough. He knows it's hard. He gets emotional about it. But it's who he truly is. Well, I mean, I don't know. I mean, winning has a price, and leadership has a price. So I pulled people along when they didn't want to be pulled. I challenged people when they don't want to be challenged.

And I earned that right because my teammates came after me. They didn't endure all the things that I endured. Once you join the team, you live at a certain standard that I played the game. And I wasn't going to take any less. Now, that means I had to go. Now, that means I had to go in there and get in your ass a little bit, and I did that. You asked all my teammates. One thing about Michael Jordan was, he never asked me to do something that he didn't do.

When people see this, they're going to say, well, he wasn't really a nice guy. He may have been a tyrant. Well, that's you. Because you never wanted anything. I wanted to win, but I wanted them to win and be a part of that as well. Look, I don't have to do this. I only doing it because it is who I am. That's how I played the game.

That was my mentality. If you don't want to play that way, don't play that way. And he broke down. It's my favorite quote. Be authentic, be true to yourself. Don't listen to the media. People like what they like. I never try to convince you.

I love Carson Wentz. Injury prone, I love him. Love him. You're not going to convince me he's not good. And I'm not stupid about it. I mean, if he was 0 and 12 and through interceptions and no touchdowns, but it's okay to like what you like. And don't tell, you know, if you don't, you know, like I love soccer.

I think it's really becoming something. And people say all the time, oh, it's so finesse. And it's like, all right. I mean, my buddies all like the World Cup. I love the World Cup. If you don't like it, don't watch it. But I'm an NFL guy.

I like to gamble, college football. I'm not sure how many cigars I'm going to have. But, you know, I don't think you should have to apologize. As long as you're not oppressing somebody, you're doing something illegal, you're not a bad person. Michael Jordan has come off as likable. And he was worried that he wasn't. wasn't likable. And I think the reason is

people, women like strong men, guys like strong men, Michael Strong. Flawed, imperfect, sometimes a jerk. But it's okay. We're all flawed. There you go. There's my rant for the day. I get all worked up about that. Because Joy and I were saying during the break, we love that bite. Oh, it's so, it's so raw and emotional. It just

think it's like a perfect bow on everything that Michael Jordan is. It's why he is the way that he is. is because he truly cares that much about winning. Everyone has a thing, right? He just poured his passion into winning and everything around him. That's why he's playing quarters with the security guys because it's just, it's an innate desire in him to win all the time. I also agree with you about the making reservations and picking the restaurant.

Yes. Very annoying. My wife gets pissed when I say, let's go to dinner and I don't have a place. She's like, she's like, be a husband, be a man, choose it. So it's like, okay, I'll do my. man thing. David Spade actor, comedian, writer, producer, one of the genuinely funny people that make me laugh. I don't bring a lot of comedians on the show, and Spade's one of them, because I think he's really funny, and I think he's a good guy, new Netflix film, The Wrong Missy. So we were talking

about the MJ documentary. You have to have watched some of it because there's no sports on television. How much have you seen of it? Hey, bud. Hi, Joy. The, I've seen, I think I'm in the middle of seven. And I don't think I'm caught up yet because Tippin hasn't sat out. That's what I was heard you guys or someone was talking about. Yeah, yeah. And I remember it is interesting. A couple of things come to mind like how hard the fowls were and how they didn't seem to care at all.

It was brutal. It was tackling essentially. I mean, it was an assault. They should have police instead of reps. It was so rough. I'm like, and they took it and like the pistons. And then I think it comes up again later. with other teams.

But I remember Jordan was, you know, that was sort of my pocket. I look old, but I'm super young. But I, I, when he hosted SNL was the only time I got up close to him. And that was maybe around 92, 93. And he was such a superstar that they were, they were, they were, he was signing so many autographs that there was a line out of his dressing room, slowing down rehearsal. And with basketballs. They had to stop it.

The show had to stop it because it was the first time they had to do that. Of all the stars you've ever had, he was the biggest. He was the biggest as far as, you know, it's like Al Franken holding six basketballs. I'm like, guy, come on. We've got to do weekend. By the way, what was, I'm going to go back because you said that on YouTube and watch it. Was there a skit that was funny? Did he have a comedic timing like a Peyton Manning?

you know he was super likable as you know from just seeing him on things i watched this documentary and i'm like i'm actually more stars struck by him now if i saw him same here you know what i mean i'm like how cool is this dude and and but he was he was sort of the type of post which is cool where tell me what to do show me what to do i'll do my best but you know when everyone's usually out of their element when they come from sports over there and they they like the feedback so I was too low in the totem pole, and I would never say anything to him anyway. I don't want to get in his face. But everyone was helping him along, and we did this hilarious, like, Washington General's

guess we didn't want him on our team. It was all the five white guys, and we didn't want him on our team. And even though he was so good, we fired him off the team. But I didn't have a line. But he said, you're all getting rid of me? And he looks at me, he goes, even you, pee-wee? And I turned my head down in shame. And it gets a laugh.

But he's so famous, I forget I even met him. You know what I mean? Like I'm watching the documentary. And people are like, you were on the show with him. I go, oh, right, I was. But we didn't have any like, we didn't click. I mean, we're not BFF. Spade, you, David, you have always been, you're a sports fan.

I mean, you watch USC. I watch your stuff. Like, so I remember you at NBA games. Like, like, and you were like, you were like a front row guy, right? Yeah. Front row only, Colin, you understand. Yeah. Well, if they let me, you know, I will sit.

I used to go to Diamondbacks games, I'm from Scottsdale. I remember Kurt Schilling saw me in the audience, and I had a Fat Burger hat on, and he pointed to his hat to switch. So we both signed our hats and threw them to each other. That was my big run-in at the Diamondbacks. But I wasn't a super baseball guy. I was just, you know, excited to be close to one of the playoff games. And then I saw Barkley, he hosted SNL, and he was on the Sun.

Now, he's funny. He's genuinely a funny guy. Barkley, I got along with because we actually, when I was back in Scottsdale, we hung out a little bit. And we went, I mean, I don't always like to hang out with people over 6'2 as a rule. Because I look like too much of a shrimp cocktail. So I can't deal with the regular people. And I definitely don't want to go hang out with Taco Fall. So I got me in Berkeley

And we go to Bobby McGee's this dumb restaurant It's like just disco night And going home He's probably going about 500 miles an hour And I go out Hey you got to watch it There's cops all over and he goes Come on man I'm Elvis here

I'm like that's true Yeah that's kind of Barkley's legendary for buying everybody drinks People like Barclay's one of the all-time best guys He was very likeable very funny I rarely ever see the dude anymore, but super cool. It was right when they were having that great run, and a lot of fun to be around.

All those athletes are fun if you get to see them. I sat behind Brady at UFC once. Very friendly. I watched this one the other night, you know, that one that was in that Outback Steakhouse Park in Jacksonville. I thought it was a great card. Yeah, I thought it was good because I just felt bad for Ferguson. Like he doesn't get to do it in front of all the fans,

and now here he is. he got blistered. In an alley. He started, about the third round, he looked like Gollum, and then he walked out looking like sling blades. But it doesn't even get Kabib now. It's like, wait, I thought I was doing someone a favor. Now I'm totally out of the mix.

That's a tough racket. No, Ferguson's got a different look. There is a, he's, it's almost like he was a superhero, and the illustrator couldn't get the arcs to work. They didn't get it nailed just right. It was a little undercooked. Yeah, I see. No, that's what it looked like to me.

David Spain is joining us. You know, this, it's funny. I applaud you because, listen, I'm not a fan of Trump. But I do think sometimes what I love about comedians is that they have courage. And I don't think there's a ton of courage bashing Trump. Now, Stephen Colbert is very political, and I'm all for it. That's what Stevens Tunnel is. He's great at it.

But you said, I'm going to do a nighttime show, and we're not going to do, we're not going to do politics. Did you get push back from the comedic community because you wouldn't be in line with what everybody else is doing? Well, you know, it immediately made me look like I was for Trump. Right. But it wasn't. I was just saying it's almost harder to just pull jokes out of the air that, you know, Trump will talk in the day and it's like a setup.

And then they come on at late night and spike it. Yeah. Like he's saying something so crazy, you just have to repeat it and get a laugh and then say one more thing and it's funny. You know, so I just thought, I felt a little burnt on it and just, I was never really like that. I felt like I related to Jordan when he was saying, I just don't get political. It's not my thing. I have one move.

I'm supposed to be funny. I'm an entertainer. You turn to me. I don't want people arguing when they watch me. I don't want people fighting. So I don't really want to take a side. I could think of probably funny Trump jokes. I could think of funny Biden jokes.

I just try to make dumber jokes that don't really matter. You know what I mean? And that's a lane. I haven't gotten any flakrum comics about it. I think as long as you stay funny and stay true to yourself, they're okay with it. Yeah, like, two of my favorite comedians in the world are you and Norm McDonald. And I love, I think Norm is, I think he's off. And I think he's brilliant.

But Norm similarly is about the comedy. Yeah. And I think you are true to that. You are about the comedy. Do you, are you and Norm are pretty, are you? you guys close yeah yeah we're pretty tight uh we uh you know in between this 300 tweets during a golf tournament it's so strange by the way yeah norm is a weirdo and uh but i i love them we did that netflix his show yes i saw it was hysterically by the way you folks you've got to watch this

so norm's always been um you kind of seamlessly worked from comedy into tv uh you you're an easy guy to turn into a character you've worked in movies Norm is so unique. He's almost like Brian Regan. It's hard to work on TV. And then they created a show seemingly in a garage. And it works. And it works.

Created is a strong word. But it does work, right? It did work. I thought it was interesting. I walk out and I know Norm forever from the S&L days till now. So he goes, David, I want you to be the first guy on my show. And I go, all right, yeah, let's just, I go, what are we going to talk about? I go, anything.

I don't care. it's a little loosey-goosey already, which I'm 100% fine with, and 10 minutes into it, I go, oh, wait, we're filming already. Usually it's like a whole to-do, and okay, we're going to bring you up, we've got to get your mic'd up,

we're going to walk you out, and then, you know, there's two steps down, and then you sit down, and normal bringing you out. And I'm just talking, and he's like drinking a sprite at something. I go, can you have that up here? Are you guys sponsored? He goes, well, I don't know. And then there's a forklift, beep,

across the camera, I go, Norm, is this a practice show? What's happening? We got to work the bugs out because there's a ton of bugs. Yeah, he was great. But, you know, bringing him on anything, he's got a good quirks-ahoy factor that just people are intrigued by. It's nice to have.

Yeah, no, he is. New Netflix film is called The Wrong Missy, released tomorrow, May 13th. Basically, you think you've invited the woman of your dreams on a work retreat to Hawaii. I just watched the tape and you realize too late you mistakenly text somebody from a nightmare blind date. Now, why for you? I mean, Joe Dirt comes to mind, Tommy Boy. Not all comedians, Letterman, work in movies.

It takes, I don't know what it is. There's a sensibility about it. Again, you have a lane, a character lane, and it works. Did you ever think you would go into movies and it would work? and it's worked well. No, I mean, just even doing stand-up when I started in Scottsdale, I didn't even think I could do anything. I mean, I went to ASU.

Phil. Did someone of your family goes to ASU? Yeah, my daughter goes to Barrett Honors in that little honor school inside the smart people. By the way, I'll sell her one of my anthropology credits if she wants. I actually did not graduate. Funny enough. Those are on eBay right now, all my credits. But I went to ASU, Scottsdale community.

I never thought that high. That was such a ceiling that was so beyond anything, beyond SNL or headline and comedy club. So just being in stand-up and my type of persona got me openings and doors where I got in to be parts and movies and all that. So it worked out. But listen, I've done probably 25 movies. I know. People can name five of them. Yeah, but you know what?

It's hard to get them all right, you know, but I do like doing them. Listen, Brando had nine bombs. streetcar name Desires, one of the good ones. Brando had, the bottom line is the three or four funniest movies I've ever watched. Tommy Boy is one of them. Hangover, Tommy Boy. I love those. I thought 40-year-old Virgin was a riot.

Valerious, yeah. I mean, believe me, I watch movies. I get jealous. I'm competitive like that. I want to be good, and I really appreciate good comedy. I appreciate well-written stuff. I appreciate good lines when I watch a comedian. I can watch for, like, it's probably like watching the,

combine for an athlete. I watched someone on stage and after two jokes, you can tell if they got game, I'm like, or they got nothing. But after one joke, I go, it might be a fluke. Second joke, I go, ooh, good. How about, how about Steve Carell's career? He's done a hell of a job. He's a monster. He is kind of. Always good at different moves and he can be serious. And he, and the office is such a weird thing to play that's not obvious comedy. He's very dry, which I love. and a lot of people copied that style of documentary and modern families kind of that stuff. I love it.

So there's guys I still will go watch and I still love that I'm friends with or get to see out. I did a Zoom call the other day and I think Chappelle was on it and Kevin Hart and Chris Rock and Sandler and Sebastian. It's fun to have a bunch of comedians. It's a very precarious situation. You don't know when you're going to jump in

because everyone's just smart. I mean, forget about funny. They're just smart, quick on their feet. The movie is called The Wrong Missy. It's released tomorrow. It is a new Netflix film. He's a really good guy. I should say this.

I don't know about your personal situation, but I've seen you twice publicly at restaurants with beautiful women. And I don't even know if that's appropriate, but you have done very well for yourself, and I'm very happy for you. Where Colin was right. No. No, now and then I stumble in a winner,

but I've seen someone. now, so I think I've tricked someone into hanging out with me, which is very tough. David, I love your stuff. You're a riot. Thank you very much for having me. I watch all the time, and I listen all the time. And now, Joy with the News. Thanks for stopping, Bob.

All right, you guys, I appreciate it, Colin. I'll talk to you again. All right, David Spade. Very funny guy, actor, comedian, the new Netflix film, The Wrong Missy, will be released tomorrow. I talked about this before. Hangover, Tommy Boy, 40-year-old Virgin. Those movies, like, everybody writes a comedy. And Anchorman was pretty damn funny, too.

But those movies, halfway through, I thought, got funnier. Like, it's hard. Everybody's got, like, Will Ferrell's done some good movies and some stinkers. But it's hard. Everybody's got an idea for a film and a closing. And then how do you connect the arcs? So from minute, from, you know, minute 18, to an hour seven. It's funny. It is hard. Tommy Boy is great. It is great. The whole movie.

It's excellent. Codewable. It's just memorable. It's still today. I never thought Caddy Shack was as good as everybody else thought, but Bill Murray's another rock star. But I just love David. I love supporting his stuff. I think he's an absolute right. All right. It's break time, right? Yes. It is. I lost. myself. I was laughing. He tricked you with Joy with the news. And I'm watching Goulet. He got Goulet to cry laughing a couple times. That takes something.

Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard radio app. Good stuff today. Rick Bueker, Mark Sanchez, talk some baseball with John Paul Morosi, and David Spain was a riot who just

joined us. It was great to have him. You know, we're just throwing out some curve balls, bringing on some friends, people I like in entertainment, Spade's always been great. And he's a real. I remember I took a day off one time. I was in Utah for the summer and there was some NBA free agent news. And Spade emailed me.

He's like, hello. Where's LeBron going? Hello? And I was like, oh, David Spade, he really is a sports fan. He really, Bill Burr's like that. Spade and they really, really genuinely like sports. Norm MacDonald like sports. Norm is totally into sports.

Norm's Twitter feed is the strangest thing in the world. Have you ever seen it, Joy? I haven't. It's, it's, it's, I can. So he lied to eat golf tournaments? He'll literally be like, that was interesting. Whoa, I'm not sure about that club. Ah, maybe he's having a conversation with himself on Twitter.

I kind of do that sometimes too. Not during golf tournaments, but. No commas. Well, no, because sometimes it's like, do I really have to put the hashtag? Like, we're all watching the same thing. We know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I get it. Joy with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Kyler Murray had a strong rookie season and is hoping to take another step forward this year and his head coach, Cliff Kingsbury, already sees improvements in Kyler going into his second season. He's doing great.

When you watch the installs with him, and you watch plays from last year, and you notice how far he's come from training camp on. There's definitely a different level of confidence, a different level of command of the offense. And he feels it, even though we haven't been able to. get out on the grass. He definitely feels a lot more comfortable heading in the year or two.

Much like Carolina, I'm very interested to see what happens with the Cardinals this year and what kind of step up he takes, Catamara takes. Yes, very interesting. I mean, we're an offensive rookie of the year. Obviously, you like him a lot. You love him last year. I think he throws a top three football in the league in terms of I'm moving or I'm setting and I'm accurate. I think he throws an unbelievable football as good, almost as good as anybody in the league. I mean, like not quite Aaron Rogers where it's like a seed and it flies out of your hand, but he throws a beautiful, a Mahomes, a wince, a rocket, tight spiral, beautiful throw. The kind of remarkable thing about the Cardinals and Kyler Murray and their season is they were 5, 10, and 1.

So their season overall was not very good. But he won offensive rookie of the year. And everyone feels very optimistic about next season despite that. So I wonder how, you know, if the Bengals, say, had that kind of record, are we going to look at the situation similarly with Joe Burrow? I think it just depends on how he plays, right? Like, are we going to judge them the same? Because there were a lot of questions about Kyler Murray going into the season.

Yes, I think that's a great question. If Joe Burrow is 6 and 10 and we feel like he's the reason they're 6 and 10, he's the reason for the six, not the 10, that we think like, Burrow did his job, he didn't get any protection. The record's not going to be a big deal for me with Joe Burrow. If he's six and ten, and I feel like he was crucial in the six wins, and you can blame the 10 on the roster, that to me, like last year with Baker, I thought you could add four to five of those losses were just on Baker.

Baker lost the game for him. Kyler last year, when Arizona lost, they couldn't stop it. anybody. Right. And when they won, I was like, okay, he won the game for him. So your record isn't the be all end all to me when you're a rookie quarterback. Well, honestly, if they win, if Cincinnati wins six games next to this season, that's a fast improvement. They won two games last year, so he'd have to get credit there. So some of the top high school prospects are choosing to join the new G League development team instead of playing in college. And Jason Tatum said on showtimes all the smoke podcasts that the opportunity would have been very tempting for him if it was available

for him. It's tough because like now, knowing what I know now, I think I still might, I still might have went to Duke. But if I, like, if you just rewind four years and I'm 18 coming out of high school from St. Louis and it's $500,000, like, I'm going right to the G League. What I think, I feel like they need to change in college. I think you should be able to make money off your likeness. Well, they did make that change because of, you know, a lot of factors obviously, but this was starting to feel like it was one of them, that this is now an option for college basketball, which is already kind of struggling, definitely during the regular season, and already become just the tournament.

It's interesting how he said that, though, that at the time, without his experience at Duke, he might have chosen to go to the G League, but since he did go to Duke and have that experience, he might, if he went back in time now, knowing that he would probably still go to Duke. So it's interesting how he phrased that. Like, he did still appreciate his time at Duke. You know, if let's say, let's say you were two types of players. So Zion's obviously a very dynamic, the big smile. Right.

For him, Duke is great because it gives him a promotional platform. And he was also ready to score at the college level. I mean, physically, he looks like an NBA veteran. But if you, I could see if you were a player and you didn't have a big personality. And the truth of the matter is, you were a little bit of a late bloomer and you didn't care about market. Like, Kauai Leonard. I could make the argument if Kauai Leonard came out and said, like, I don't care about PR.

I don't, I don't care. I just want to grind and get better. The G League works. But I do think if you are like Zion and you can sense Zion like Grant Hill, that guy's going to be marketable. You know, your dad was an NBA player, for instance. So you don't necessarily need the money. And you look at yourself and think, you know what? I want America to know who I am.

I want Dick Vital to talk about me. Right. Yeah, like I think some players, especially if your dad was an MBAer, and you don't need the paycheck, I think college basketball is a great platform. But I could get a kid saying, man, why fake it? I just want to go play against better players in Rio Grande. I don't care. I just want to get better.

Well, there's arguments to both sides of it, of course. The one thing, and I just like that it's an option for players that they don't, if they don't want to go to college, they don't have to go overseas and play. I like that the option is available. But the one thing that does kind of worry me about the G League situation, which, again, I'm all for this existing. And I'm glad that the G League is now being developed and they're putting some money into it and, you know, putting it at the forefront finally. But when you get into the G League, you're now in the NBA system, right? So if you have any lingering injuries or you have anything like that, they're going to know ahead of time.

It's kind of a mystery in the draft. You don't necessarily going to get all of your, you know, your injury pass and get the full diagnosis. on you going into the draft. So it may be beneficial for some players who have those kind of lingering issues to go to college because NBA teams are going to have all that information right up front and you're going to be playing against grown men as opposed to other college kids. You can get exposed in the G League because the quality of the player is better than college basketball. It is.

Don't think just because it's a G League that they're... Oh, no. They'd roll over college teams. They're grown men. Yes. So finally, Mike Tyson turns 54 next month, but he is getting ready for a return to the boxing ring. On a Facebook live stream last week, he said, it may not be over yet.

Anything's possible. I feel unstoppable now. The gods of war have reawakened me. Ignited my ego and want me to go to war again. I feel like I'm young again. Yesterday, he posted a video of a recent training session and tease a comeback by saying I'm back. He retired in 2005.

He said he's interested in participating in exhibition bouts for charity. Evander Holyfield also intends to return for charity fights and would be open to facing Tyson. I don't know how I feel about that. I am watching that. I'm sorry. I'm going to need to watch that. I don't know what it's going to look like.

I mean, the videos, the video's pretty intense. I wouldn't, I don't think I would want to step in front of that. George Foreman did it. And he wasn't, I mean, Foreman was a lot like Tyson. It was pretty much a knockout guy. Listen, you can rewind time a little bit. We've got a lot of technology and we know a lot about food and training and

and pliability and all kinds of stuff. How old is he? He's going to be 54 next month. Oh, Jesus. I don't know. Jeez, Joy. You know, if the pandemic keeps going, I guess I'll watch.

We get to a point where a senior's tour in boxing, I'll probably watch it. I mean, you're not going to watch Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield in a charity fight. You're not going to just take a peek. Why wouldn't you watch out of principle? No, I'm not a principal guy. I don't care.

So you're going to watch. I'm going to watch. I don't care if the pandemic's going on. not. I got to see that. No, I get it. Uh, Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. It's not that I don't have principles, but I'm not a real moralist. If something's good, it's good. I'm not going to, uh, since Aaron and Brett Farve will always be tied at the hip and Brett was talking about Aaron Rogers yesterday defending him. I'm going to play pick a packer next. Joy will set up, we'll play game together. Joy will set up

accomplishments and I have to guess which one has accomplished it. Who's the greater packer that's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions. of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. In just five days, it's the day we've all been waiting for as NASCAR returns. Don't miss the historic green flag and the return of live racing as NASCAR is back Sunday at 3.30 Eastern, 1230 Pacific on Fox. And that will do good numbers, just like UFC did, just like anybody who comes back will. Scarcity of sports, whoever lands is going to get. a huge thank you from the American consumer excited for that baseball.

I think, I think if they can get over the concern, the players association of, you know, it's a salary cap and just listen, it's a different year, make some money. It's a long-term investment for a short-term issue. Joy, it's time to play pick a packer. We're going to explain to this what the audience is going to get here. Go ahead, John.

Was it Aaron Roger? Or was it Brett Farr? I'm in town to play the Dolphins, you dumb ass. It's time to play. Pick a Packer. Now, sometimes I am bizarrely good at games like this. You are, actually. Sometimes I, and it's just guessing, I'm a good guesser.

So go ahead. Okay. Who has more acting credits on IMDB? I'd say Favre. Aaron Rogers. Aaron Rogers has six. Brett Favreve has four. Rogers has been in the office and Game of Thrones.

And Farrb probably has the most memorable one, which is the clip that we just played in something. There's something about Mary. That scene is funny. All right. Who has more playoff wins as a starting quarterback? God, it would have to be Farr. It is Farr. He is 13.

Rogers has 10. And Farrb includes one with the Vikings as well. Oh, that's right. Who has a higher career win percentage? I'm going to go Aaron Rogers. Yes. Barely. Rogers has a win percentage of 652. Farrb has a win percentage of 632. I wonder what Farr's first, because Aaron's first year, they were under 500.

I don't know, what was his record? Sub 500. I don't know. We'll find it out. Who has more game winning drives? I think that's going to be Brett Farr. Correct. He is 43. Aaron Rogers has 23. Yeah, that's one of the knocks on Aaron Rogers that Packer fans just won't admit that for as long as he's played and as talented as he is, is he has not had a ton of game-winning drives. Matt Ryan's had significantly more. Who was drafted higher?

God, that's embarrassing. I'm going to say Aaron Rogers. Yes, Aaron Rogers is the 24th overall pick in 2005. Farr was the 33rd overall pick in 1991. All right. Who led the NFL in completion percentage first season? Oh, that's got to be Aaron Rogers. Brett Favre, 1998.

Rogers has a higher career completion percentage, but has never led the NFL and completion percentage for a season. Really? Now what year was that? Fav did that? 98. And what was the percentage? I do not have that in front of me. It was 63%. That led the league? See, it's a

trick question. It wasn't a good completion percentage, but it led the league. Yeah, Farrd didn't have to deal with like Drew Brees completing 70% of his throes. So what year was that for Fav? 98. That fooled me. I would have thought Aaron had a couple of them. Who has more NFC championship?

championship game appearances. Hold on a second. Hold on. Who has more NXX championship game? You know what? I'm going to say Aaron Rogers. Nope. Five. Both quarterbacks have four with Green Bay, but Farrv has another one of Minnesota.

This is nonsense. See, when you guys bring out MOLTA, that's why I forgot it. Well, to be fair, to you, this is pick a packer, and we are including some trick question. That's also arguably his most famous NFC championship. It's not called pick-a-packer or Viking.

Yeah. You guys are throwing a bunch of stuff in there. At least we didn't include the Jets here. You're like the Gaylord Perry of producers. You got Vaseline in your pocket and files and you're just cheating. And then we catch at it and you just are like, oh, I don't know what you guys are talking about. I think he went about 50% on that guessing game. That was not terrible.

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thing yet? Am I allowed to announce that? Can I? Can I, Joy? I don't know. You get me in trouble. Yeah, I mean, yeah, we're going to be in our studio tomorrow, our TV studio. Now, yeah, I mean, I'm not sure I know how to get to the studio. So we are going to have, by the way, our company's done an amazing job. We have, I'm going to have my temperature taken twice minimum before I get on the elevator.

It is, we've got a medical staff there. We have a very skeleton staff. It is not. In fact, we're going to have one camera shot. That is it. So, you know, it's not going to look. It'll be a little more rudimentary than our usual. It is an easier show for us to do in the TV studio because we, without getting

you know, boring you. So we're going to be back in the TV studio tomorrow. We're going to give it a try for a couple days. We don't have the manpower and we're being as safe as you can be. There are, I've already, they had a dry run today and they have gone through. Our bosses have gone to, in fact, I'll be putting on my own makeup tomorrow. Well, I've been doing my own makeup and hair for a couple weeks now. So. Yeah. So it's going to be different. But, you know, we just crossed our fingers on this stuff.

I've said this before. I'm not a medical expert. You manage a health crisis. We do that in America with mental health, physical health. We're going to manage through it. We're going to get through it. I thought UFC this weekend was a great and tremendous start. The draft worked.

So I'm seeing so many creative, ingenious people. I cross my fingers that were in a recession only, not a depression. people getting back to work. There are more people on the road in Los Angeles. Be safe, please. We'll be back tomorrow. And hopefully we'll have a game that's not unfair. Gay Lord Perry.

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