The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Tom Brady, NBA GMs, Patrick Mahomes, & Nick Saban

Episode Date: October 4, 2018

Colin discusses a stat New England Patriots QB Tom Brady may reach tonight and why he isn't popular, the new poll voted on by the NBA GMs, why we should pump the breaks on Kansas City Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes, and why Alabama HC Nick Saban is under paid. Guests include Nick Wright, Peter King, and DeAngelo Hall Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Joy Taylor is joining me. Tonight, Patriots Colts. Last time Tom Brady lost Foxborough to the Colts. He was like 32 years old. Now he's like, you know, in his 60s. Joy is joining me this morning. How are you, Joy? I'm great.

Good morning. Today, I want to talk about honesty. And there's so little honesty. I don't think the media is honest. I don't think politicians are honest. Hopefully people in your family are honest. But a lot of people are selling you one thing and live in another. And it's one of the reasons I'm a big Tom Brady fan.

Tom Brady will get his 500th career touchdown pass tonight, probably tonight, if not in his next game. And only three people have ever done that when Tom does that. Brady, Farve, and Peyton Manning. and Tom Brady is the only one of those three still playing, and he's less popular than all of them still. Why would that be? Is he a bad guy? No. Has he underachieved? No.

Is he a bad dad? No. Bad husband? No. Tom is handsome, and he has a supermodel wife, and he does high-end endorsements. He's one of those dreaded coastal elites. Ooh. That speaks not poorly of Tom that he's not. as popular as Peyton Manning, who he's better than, or Brett Farr, who he was much better than. It speaks poorly of us. It's about jealousy and envy. They've done studies on this, folks. When we think people are pulling away from us, we like them less. Fear-based. Oprah Winfrey, 20 years ago, lost weight. And her TV ratings went down. She got less popular.

You see, politicians do this all the time. A very popular message with politicians. I'm one of you. I can relate to you. We are conjoined in this fight. No, you change laws. I'm a radio idiot. We're not even close to the same. You're changing legislation in America.

You're a politician. You're a senator. You're a president. You're a governor. I just talk into a microphone. We're not the same. I want to remind everybody listening today that Michael Jordan did not eat Big Macs or ballpark Franks, and he didn't wear Haynes underwear.

I want to remind you that Peyton Manning doesn't eat Oreos, doesn't eat pizza a lot, does not drive a mid-sized sedan. My favorite Tom Brady quality is authenticity. He's never once tried to say, hey, hey, hey, I'm eating fast food tonight. And a mountain do. I'm one of you. No, he's never once tried to do that. unlike your local politician or perhaps your federal one,

your local columnist or your national one, your boss, whoever it is, who's selling you one thing and delivering another, Tom's never done that. We should have a new rule in sports today that we reward people who are honest with us. Even if honesty makes us a little uncomfortable,

even if honesty makes us a little jealous, even if honesty makes us a little envious. Did you ever see that documentary he did, Tom versus Time? Did that remind you of your life at all? No, it never did, but it was real. It wasn't my real. My life isn't Costa Rica. My life is not that splendid. my life is not surfing in Costa Rica, Mansion on the Beach.

That's not my life, but that's Tom's life, and that's a real life. No Oreos, no mid-sized sedans, no ballpark francs. By the way, there's nothing wrong with any of that stuff. But even on my show, I tell advertisers, if I don't use it, I'm not telling people I use it. I think I owe you that. Real. Tom Brady is less popular than Fav and Peyton Manning, and it says nothing about him. It says everything about us.

We always get the politicians and the celebrities we deserve. We get exactly what we deserve. Tom Brady's been a great dad, great husband, a great quarterback, a great teammate, taking great pay cuts, and doesn't try to sell you a bunch of crap that he's not using. He's 100% authentic. Sometimes you could even argue he's a little nerdy. He's a little geeky. But then he sort of shows us he's a little geeky.

Tip of the cap to the greatest who's ever played, who keeps it as they say, 100. Let me shift to this because I'm really in the mood today to talk about honesty. Most people, I'm probably one of these people, Most people don't like confrontation. Nobody ever comes up to me, it yells at me. They do on Twitter because they can be anonymous. You know what I mean?

But like when I walk around the grocery store or a car wash or like, you know, everyday places, everybody comes up and says nice things. I've been doing this 30 years. Nobody's ever come up once. I've been a jerk that was sober, sometimes drunk people. But, you know, that's alcohol speaking. But people don't like confrontation. So it's easier.

I'm not saying it's better. it's easier to be honest anonymously. You can rip somebody because they don't know it to you. And so every year, the NBA at this time of the year has their general manager survey. Anonymously, general managers vote on a variety of topics. Now, publicly, general managers will never criticize a star player, because they may want to get them. First of all, they don't want to be seen as anti-player

because players control the NBA. Players don't really control the NFL. Players don't control baseball. I mean, they don't control high. Star players control the NBA. I mean, Robinson Konoz is a star. Mariners aren't in the playoffs. A's are in the playoffs without stars.

In the NBA, stars control the league. They fire coaches. They don't fire players. And so a general manager publicly will never rip a star because he wants to get stars and he doesn't want to have a reputation. He's anti-player. But I like this survey

because it's the one time every year general managers in the NBA can be absolutely honest because they can be anonymous. And a lot of people in the NBA because Kevin Durant's going to be a free agent and they'd like to get Kevin Durant on their roster.

Love Kevin Durant. Every bit as good as LeBron. That's interesting because the general manager's NBA survey came out. LeBron won eight categories. Best passer. Which player forces coaches to adjust most?

Best small forward. Who will win MVP? Which new player will have the greatest impact? Best leader. Best IQ. Most versatile. Hell, LeBron finished second and best big forward. He's not even playing that position.

Kevin Durant won one category. Who do you want? want to take a big shot at the end of the game. By the way, he ranked third in the same survey, best shooter on his own team. LeBron won eight categories and finished second in a position he doesn't play. Yeah. When you can go anonymous, you can tell the truth.

Most versatile defender, Kevin Durant didn't get a vote. LeBron got third. LeBron stopped playing defense last year. So for the Kevin Durant is better than LeBron crowd, once general managers could be honest about it, not close. Oh, by the way, Steph Curry got votes in 11 categories more than Kevin Durant got. So on his own team, Kevin Durant got votes in fewer categories than Steph Curry. not even the biggest vote getter on his own team. So when you can go anonymous, you can be more honest.

And in a star-driven league, when nobody ever wants to criticize stars, it would have been very, very easy. The one that everybody will talk about today, the one category is, if you were starting a franchise today and could sign any player, who would it be? And LeBron got like fourth. But remember, that's always been a category about age. Last year, Carl Anthony Towns won it. Nobody in the NBA thought Carl Anthony Towns was better than LeBron. That category gets over-discussed. I can't believe.

That's an age category. GMs every year go out. I mean, Joe L.M.B. got votes. You know, I mean, Anthony Davis, Giannis got votes. Last year, it was Carl Anthony Towns. That's the one that'll get discussed today and people will freak out. LeBron should have won that. LeBron's in his, what, 16th year?

Yeah, I mean, a lot of general managers are, looking for the next star, not the current star. Don't pay that much attention to that one. But pay attention to what the GMs, who could be totally honest about LeBron and Durant, how the voting went. LeBron won eight categories, leader, passer, IQ, positions he doesn't even play he got votes in. Durant didn't get the most votes in the most categories on his own team. Coming up next, be very careful with your Patrick Mahomes worship. Be very, very careful.

That's coming up next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. By the way, that NBA GM survey, 15 months ago, Westbrook was the MVP, didn't get a single vote. If you were starting a franchise today, could you sign any player in the NBA? Who would it be? Westbrook did not get a single vote. In a guard-driven league, he wasn't one of the 10 players who was voted best passer. Oh, but it's, but he's, Westbrook, oh, my God, Westbrook is, Westbro is great, great leader.

Okay, let me see. I'm going to look up the categories real quick. No, no, he didn't get one vote. Would you start your franchise with him? Best leader, he didn't get one vote. By the way, Chris Paul, everybody hates him, got 27% of the votes for best leader. Westbrook, everybody loves him on Twitter. It didn't get a single vote for best leader.

Oh, here he goes. He won fastest with the ball. Do they have a category fastest to exit the playoffs? Because he would have won that one, too. Okay. Again, it's amazing. It's amazing when GMs can be honest, everybody on Twitter loves Westbrook. Best passer, not a vote.

Best leader, not a vote. Start your franchise. Not a vote. Joe L. M. Bid, start a franchise. Joe L. M. Bid has missed more games than he's played. Got votes anonymously from GM. Start your franchise. Westbrook, not one.

Passer, one. Leader, not one. Hey, but he's the fastest guy. That's like quarterback who can throw it. throw at the farthest on his knees. He's the fastest guy. Congratulations on, I mean, he's, you know, he's a roadrunner. Never forget.

The roadrunner. Roadrunner. Flying around there a million miles an hour. Nobody could keep up with roadrunner, but, you know, roadrunner. Beep, roadrunner. Nick Wright in five minutes will be furious at me. Can I say this? I know Bill Polion.

Bill Pollyon's a Hall of Fame executive. He built those great Bill's teams. He built the Peyton Manning teams. he is not charitable with his praise on players. He's brutally honest. He gets a lot of pushback because he's not a suck-up. He'll tell you what he thinks. And he was the only analyst at ESPN who didn't say,

Lamar Jackson's amazing. He's like, Lamar Jackson's not ready to play. He got a lot of pushback at ESPN. He's as honest as they get, but he's not overly charitable. And this is what he said about Patrick Mahomes. I've never heard him talk like this. Here you go. This is going to sound like hyperbole,

but it's what I believe based on what I saw last night. The arm and release of Marino, the escapeability and the field vision of Aaron Rogers, the accuracy of Aaron Rogers, and Marino, and the inventiveness of Farv. So you're talking rare company there. Okay. Marino, Farv, Aaron Rogers, the three names he used. Now, I know what you're saying. Woo!

Woo! That is some company. Marino Farvin, Aaron Rogers. And you know what I thought? 51 combined years. Two Super Bowl wins. Talent, especially when it's initially compared to godlike legends, doesn't pay off. Marino walked into this league. He was a god.

Aaron walked into this league. He was a god. Farv walked into this league. He was John Madden's favorite player ever. By the way, Tom Brady doubted day one. Drew Brees doubted day one. Terry Bradshaw struggles early. Troy Aitman, one in 15 out of the shoot.

Drew Brees, doubted. It's going to break virtually all the passing records if he plays three more years. Joe Montana doubted initially. Patrick Mahomes, 4 and 0 compared to Aaron Rogers, Marino, and Brett Far. This is what I said about the Whitney Houston, Tiger Woods, and Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson was like 9-0. greatest fighter of all time. Whitney Houston.

First out, greatest singer of all time. Tiger Woods, 11 years old, signed by an agent, going to be the next jack. When you go from, when you have no bumps and no pushback and you are treated like a god, your first day out, that criticism, that struggle is necessary to create greatness. I mean, this guy,

How many road games has he played? Has he ever played in snow yet? Is he ever played with an injury? He's been sacked really hard by, you know, like Khalil Macker. I mean, I don't know. I like him a lot. I really do. But we have a precedent.

The struggle is necessary. And Marino Farvin Rogers, in my lifetime, I mean, came out and were like gods. Whitney Houston, Tyson, Tiger, came out. They were just gods. already better than Jack. Gonna blow out Jack's records. Tyson's better than Ali. So now,

Ali had to go to Zaire. Ollie got his jaw broken. Ali lost to Frasier. That's what made Ali. The struggle was real. So when I hear those names, and I hear these comparisons, I'm like, wow.

But Marino Rogers Farr, 51 combined years, two Super Bowls. Bradshaw's got four. Brady's got five. Montana's got four. Aikman's got three. All those guys. Dumped on, crapped on, doubted, all of them.

Drew Brees going to break every record if he plays three, four more years. All of them. Doubted, critics, crushed, dumped, broken. Just saying. Joy Taylor with the news. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

So Tom Brady's two favorite weapons are back. The last time he had both Gronk and Gillian Edelman on the field with him for a non-preseason game. It was November 27, 2016. So it's such a 131 games, almost two football seasons. And based off of Brady's latest Instagram post this morning, I'd say he's pretty fired up. There you go. He loves him to some Edelman, huh? This is exciting news for Patriots fans, though.

Well, the best thing, Joy, is when you get your number one back, like in baseball, that it allows everybody else to move down a slot. So if you've got Edelman's now, you're one, and then Gronks, your 1-1-A, now I don't need as much from Philip Dorset and Josh Gordon and Cordorrell Patterson. And so I've got my two, and I got James White. So now you're going to see everybody, all those guys who I don't trust, I don't need him as much. All I need is one nice catch from Philip Dorset a game, one or two catches from Josh Gordon. I don't need Josh Gordon to have nine targets anymore. He can have two.

That's if Gronk is 100%. Because even though he's playing, he does have a messed up ankle, and Julian Edelman hasn't played it in a long time. But either way, Brady is excited about it because he was quite indifferent about the situation leading up into this week. So he's glad to have his number one guy back. So the Cowboys aren't traveling very far this week to face off the Texans Sunday night. Dallas has been struggling offensively all season.

And it seems that JJ Watt might have taken a little shot at Dak Prescott this week. Let's take a listen. Anytime a quarterback has that ability to move and to be effective in the running game, it creates challenges. So you have to make sure if you're sound in your assignments, you have to execute, and everybody has to do their job because, I mean, they basically have two good running backs back there. I mean, they have DAC and they have Ezekiel. So he can give it, he can keep it.

You just got to make sure you're smart. Whatever happened to JJ Watt? Well, he's injured a lot. Greg, you're from Houston. I never hear from him. Colin, he just won A. defensive player of the month. He has five sacks tied with Khalil Mack.

Oh, he does? Yeah, so he's actually having a good year. Okay. It's just that the Texans are not good, so. Yeah. He was in the news, you know, what it is, is Khalil Mack now, we don't talk about defense much. If we do, all we do is talk about Khalil Mack.

So it's like everybody that plays real good defense, Von Miller, JJ Watt, we just don't talk about it anymore. Unless they complain about getting. Yeah. Clay Matthews. Yeah, yeah. This is, I don't think he meant to take a shot at Dak with that. Not really. It is a little bit like that.

That's the reality of that. That's who Dallas is. They're a running team. But he called Dak a running back. Yeah. They basically said he has no fear of him throwing down the field. Yeah. All right.

Finally, someone who does strike fear about throwing down the field is Patrick Mahomes. He's taken the league by storm. You were just talking about him. Following another yet impressive outing, he is now the runaway favorite to win the MVP, according to bet online. Two to one odds. followed by Jared Goff, Todd Gurley, Aaron Rogers, and Jubris. Brady has the six best odds.

Look at this. Patrick Mahomes plays in one of the coldest cities in the NFL. He's never played during a snowflake. We've already got him as Dan Marino. Can we slow down a little? And I like the kid a lot. Now, I went to this. He's the most entertaining quarterback right now in the league to watch. I love that part of him.

But he's also winning. Last year at this time, Alex Smith was 5 and O and was the leading MVP. Okay, I, I, what you're saying is factual, but did you feel the way that you feel about the Chiefs right now with Alex Smith at Four and other way you do with Patrick Holmes? No, no, no, no, no, I like Patrick Malhoms. I had him on the show. I think he's a great kid. Holy moly, we got to slow down. Andy Reed's teams start quickly. And he's a play designer. He's like, he comes in with a bunch of new tricks every year. And he, everybody's reeling. Andy's teams crush in September. Belichick's teams don't crush. Belichick tends to be experimental early. tricks late. Andy tends to be tricks early,

struggles more late. That's the brand. The only thing that worries me about the chiefs is their defense. It's bad. But if the offense can keep scoring the way that they are, they just have to run into somebody who can score more points in them, which will eventually happen in the playoffs. But I don't see this falling apart.

Not the way that they're playing right now. I understand what you're saying, but I'm saying Alex Smith is not, it does not have the same feel that it, like, Alex Smith's Forno last year. You're like, okay, Chiefs are Forno. But it's Alex Smith. It's going to even out.

I don't feel that way about the Chiefs right now. I'm a believer. I'm not as big a believer as everybody else. And with that, Joy Taylor, with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. I bring in somebody who for years worked in Kansas City, toiled in Kansas City.

He's probably just beside himself listening to me. Nick Wright, first thing's first co-host. Let's bring him in via the Coward Global Satell network. I mean, good Lord. He's got, Andy Reed teams always start fast. He's got a ton of gadgets. He's played in like 77 degree weather.

Guy hasn't seen a hail storm yet, which Kansas City has about 40 a year. Can't we slow down a little on Patrick Mahomes? It's a great criticism because so many of the quarterbacks in the league this year have been dealing with the blizzards that have hit the country

through the month of September. With respect the hell you talking about, Cowherd. Like, what we know is this. There's one criticism about Patrick Mahomes that's valid right now. He hasn't done it long enough, and that's only because

they haven't played more games yet. Oh, defenses are going to catch up to him. Catch up to what? His perfectly timed, high velocity pinpoint accurate throws, they're going to catch up to that. Like, people don't want to get ahead of themselves,

but sometimes in an attempt not to get ahead of yourself, you trip going backwards over yourself. Let's be honest about what we're seeing. This kid's a star. He's a superstar. The way he plays is transferable across weather, across city, across scheme, across system. Does that mean the chiefs are going to win the Super Bowl?

Of course not. I didn't only work in Can City. I'm from Can City. I've seen 13 and 3 turn into a home playoff loss four times in my lifetime. they've only won one playoff game since Joe Montana was there. They will find a way to break Kansas City's heart once again, I'm sure. But they have a franchise quarterback. He's a superstar.

And the idea that he's going to be given too much too soon because Bill Polian called him Dan Marino, that's an epic cowherd take, but it's insanity. Okay. Well, you know, I have a right to be insane. Okay. So you ever go to, I want to ask you a question. You ever go, you're in New York now. I go to a grocery store every day because I call them freshness centers.

I love going to grocery stores. So you ever go to a grocery store and you're about to check out and you look over and there's a national inquirer and it says, rumors of Jennifer Aniston divorce and you're like, what's weird? She just got married. And then four months later she gets divorced. I've seen that 30 times, right? Jennifer Aniston, she can't get along with somebody. And it's always true.

because where there's smoke, there's fire. And every time I see it, I'm like, oh, National Enquirer. Everybody else is denying it. She's denying it. Well, Aaron Rogers is the Jennifer Aniston of pro sports. Once again, he's in a relationship. Brother criticized him, dad, teammates. Now it's Mike McCarthy.

This is about the seventh time I've heard about a Mike McCarthy-Aren Rogers feud. And like Jennifer Aniston, he can deny it. But good Lord, after the 30th time I hear something, I think it's true. Can we just admit this? Jennifer Aniston and Aaron Rogers, they're difficult to get along with long term. Is that unrealistic to say? Well, what I think is most important to say is for all my friends in the blogosphere out there, here's your headline.

Colin Goward believes Bat Boy exists because I've seen him on the cover National Enquirer since I was five years old. But to your more important point on Aaron Rogers, he might be a little prickly at times. But I don't really care about Mike McCarthy's feelings. Mike McCarthy, in my eyes, is little more than is valet for Aaron Rogers too harsh. Like, Mike McCarthy is a replacement level NFL coach. Aaron Rogers is the most talented quarterback in the history of the league. Aaron Rogers has been sounding the alarms about these receivers for two months. We remember the press conference in front of his locker.

during practice in the preseason when he said the young guys aren't ready. And look, three teams in the league have at least four wide receivers with multiple drops. Browns, Raiders, and those guys. Aaron Rogers also knows this. If they are going to get back to a Super Bowl, which would, of course, just be a second Super Bowl appearance, they're going to have to score about 30 a game in the postseason, and they're yet to score 30 in a single game this regular season.

So he's frustrated. He's rightfully frustrated. But I also don't think he and McCarthy have to get along great for it to work. I want to shift to this. Every year at this time, there's the NBA GM survey. And as I said earlier, most people don't like conflict in life. They don't. They don't like to argue with people.

You and I are considered highly outspoken, but people come up to us on the street or at a restaurant or a bar or at a car wash. And they say nice things to us because people don't want to be confrontational. So when the NBA GM survey comes out, you can be honest because you're anonymous. It's like social media. you can hide behind it. Well, well, what do you know? Everybody says they love Durant, but LeBron won eight categories,

and Durant won one. LeBron got second place and power forward. He doesn't even play the position. And it was like, this is the real gap between LeBron and KD. And when you ask GMs anonymously, they acknowledge it ain't close. I looked at this and laughed. I thought you were the first person I,

thought of with this. What was your reaction? Yeah, I mean, this is the most honest distillation of who LeBron James is. Who's the best leader in the league, according to the guys putting together teams, LeBron. Who's the best passer in the league? Oh, it's LeBron. Who is the best small forward? LeBron. Who's the second best power forward? Oh, the same guy. LeBron. Who would I want to start my team with? He finished fourth in year 16, which is insanity. There is the The league decided I would rather have LeBron than anyone taken in the last five drafts, even though I would get them for an extra decade. Like, the gap between him and the second best player is as big as the gap has ever been.

And people act like that to an indictment on Durant. It is not. Durant is going to finish his career as one of the 15 greatest basketball players ever. Kevin Durant is going to finish his career as one of the 15 greatest basketball players ever. the five best pure scorers ever. Unfortunately for him, there is still, aside from range shooting, not a single thing in the world on the basketball court, he does better than LeBron.

We know LeBron's a better pass, and we know LeBron's a more versatile defender. We know LeBron's a better rebounder, better leader, more of a clutch player according to any advanced metric or just raw number of playoff game winners. And we also know that actually when you need a bucket, LeBron's the best guy in the league to get it. Now, in this survey, it said take the final shot.

Durant's a better shooter. But when it comes to getting a final bucket, we know who the best in the world is. And the guys putting together teams know who the best in the world. By the way, you have to acknowledge this. Twitter's not real life. Chris Paul is one of my favorite players in the NBA. And he's not likable. And he's tough.

And he's tough on teammates. But 27% of GMs, and everybody hates him, right, said, Almost a third of the GMs are like, yeah, Chris Paul's the best leader. Westbrook, who everybody loves on social media, did not get a vote for best leader. What would you like to say for yourself? Okay, I heard you say this earlier, and you were talking about, oh, he's the fastest with the ball. Who does that matter to? Oh, I don't know.

The guy's guarding him. It would seem to matter to. I've never heard the take that. You know what's overrated in sports? Speed. I want slow guys with the ball. That's how I win games. Listen, I thought we had, you and I, the audience doesn't know this.

I flew out to your palatial estate in Manhattan Beach. I brought your friends. We had a Russell Westbrook intervention. We were considering an Aaron Rogers intervention, and I said, no, this is the more crucial cause. I thought we'd pulled you away from this one. We evidently have not. Listen, Russ is not a perfect basketball player. Paul George wants to play with him.

They're going to be one of the five best teams in the West this year. And my gosh, Colin, at the end of the day, look at these highlights. He's fun to watch. Your life will be markedly better if you just embrace Russell Westbrook. Instead, we're pulling up who the best passer is. I mean, the best leader. It's just unfair. And really, it's unfortunate.

His name is Nick Wright. First thing's first. co-host. I love him. Great talking to you, buddy. You as well. Miss your Colin. Miss your joy. Talk to you guys later. Yeah. I got to tell you, I, um, hey, John, how about your Yankees last night? That's pretty nice, right?

Pretty impressive, huh? Yeah, very nice Yankee win last night. Can't figure out analytics and baseball. The A's started middle relievers and, uh, and they, Darren Judge. Is that not a good idea? Yeah, I can't figure out baseball analytics. Let's start our ace. No, let's throw our ninth best pitcher out there to start the game in the biggest game of the season. All right, Aaron,

judge cranked it, game over. I just don't understand it. Coming up next, you ever say something and you think it's obvious? And people are like, whoa! And they push back on it. Okay, Drew Brees, going to set a record this week, and I'm going to say something that's obvious, and I'll get pushed back, and I don't get it. That's next.

In L.A. This is the hurt. Saturday, we have a huge day of college football. First is the Red River Showdown between No. 19, Texas, and number 7, Oklahoma, followed by Indiana taking on third-ranked Ohio State. Coverage begins at 11 a.m. Eastern on Fox and the Fox Sports app. Oklahoma's going to beat Texas. Everybody now is high on Texas. Everybody's taking Texas.

Oklahoma's as good as they were last year. Even at quarterback, Tyler Murray is like Baker Mayfield, except he's incredibly, incredibly athletic and mobile. He runs around like a wide receiver. So I think Oklahoma is one of the four or five best teams I've seen Ohio State. It's got a quarterback named Dwayne Haskins. I think he's been big team. 10 player of the week three times.

Best quarterback Urban Myers ever had. So I'll take Ohio State big in Oklahoma over Texas, and that's how I see it. So, you know, you'll say things from time to time and that they seem obvious. And it's like, no, no, no, as long as I back stuff with data, I'm right. I don't hate. Hate doesn't, there's no such thing. You're a hater. Just be honest and be right.

I'm not a fan boy. I don't wear pom-poms or Packer jerseys or Ravens jerseys to games. Okay, you do. I get it. Your fans, you should. But a couple years ago, a while back, I was talking about the eight best quarterbacks I've ever seen in my life. And now I didn't put them in order.

I just said, Peyton Manning, Brady, Joe Montana, Bradshaw, Elway, Marino, Troy Aikman, Breeze. Well, you work with Troy Aikman. No, I have three categories that decide who are the best quarterbacks I've ever seen. Production. Are you productive? I don't care about just wins. Are you, what's your production? Number two, big wins.

This isn't baseball. I don't care about your OPB. Yeah, you know me. I care about wins, Super Bowls, playoff wins. Number three is longevity. Do you do it a long time? These are the three things I judge quarterbacks on.

Have you been productive? Have you won big games? This is not baseball. I don't care about career averages. I want championships. I want playoff wins, division titles. And third is, how long have you done it? Mark Sanchez was good for an hour.

How long have you done it? And so you go to pro-doch. In my list, I didn't have Aaron Rogers. And I'm like, okay, let's look at the three. categories. Because Breeze is going to set more records on Monday night football. So it's going to be a big Drew Breeze week. Breeze going to go out Monday night football and everybody's going to love Drew Bree. He's got to set records. And this is not an anti-Aren Rodgers. But if you look at productivity, let's look at productivity.

Drew Breeze has more historical numbers. I mean, good God. Five thousand yards seasons. He's had five. Aaron's had none. I mean, he just he blows Aaron Rogers away. And by the way, Breeze has years to go. Duration, longevity. Breeze check over Aaron Rogers at this current time. Big wins, they're even. I don't even though, you know, Aaron's had some stumbles in the playoffs. I think Breeze and Aaron Rogers in terms of the big W, they're the same.

I still think both of them are going to win another Super Bowl. I think Drew Breeze has one more Super Bowl in him. Could be this year. And I think Aaron's got one more Super Bowl in him. I don't think it's this year. but it'll be sometime. But one of the reasons, one of the things when I get close, because I do think Aaron and Drew Brees are close,

one of the things I really think about, and I've said this time and time again, I'm not impressed if you inherited a lot of money and made more money with a lot of money. I'm really impressed if you came from a screwed up family and you just made yourself a hell of a person. What did you inherit in life? Never forget this.

Aaron Rogers inherited an NFC championship team from Brett Farr that was 13 and 3 with multiple pro bowlers. Drew Brees came to New Orleans. They were wearing grocery bags on fans' heads. They were called the Ains. They were 3 and 13. They had one playoff win in franchise history. He saved the franchise post-Katrina. They were going to move the franchise.

That was a big discussion. People left the city. The team left the city. So in a tiebreaker, basically Aaron Rogers inherited the 1990 Lakers. Drew Brees inherited the 1980 Clippers. That's a thing. So so often, because, you know, I know you millennials think that, you know,

the Saints are just a great franchise. You're just absolutely convinced the Saints are a great franchise. Before Drew Breeze got there, their best player ever was Deuce McAllister. Archie Manning, who's the third best Manning ever at quarterback? Wonderful guy, but Joe Horn? I mean, nice players. I mean, Deuce McAllister's a heck of a player. Joe Horn, Archie Manning.

You got to remember, Drew Brees saved the franchise. Saved it. They were a mess. They were Cleveland. They were Cleveland in a dome. They were a laughing stock. They could have lost the franchise. You know, you can't just be banging on millennials all the time, Colin.

I like millennials, but they sometimes they forget. Get. Let's move on to the younger generation. I'm like technically old. I'm 31. I'm a millennial. I like most things about you. Just not that I'm a millennial. I mean, I agree with you, though. I think, I actually think that Drew Brees is undervalued. I mean, he's just never spoke about it. Maybe it's because of his demeanor. He's just a humble guy. And like you said, the saints are organization. You know what I think it is? It's not in a huge market. His prime was Manning's prime and Brady's prime. Yeah. And, you know, again, go here.

And now Aaron Rogers. Here's the eight best quarterbacks I've seen play. Now, by the way, Dan Fouts and Aaron Rogers and Steve Young did not make the list. They were all unbelievable. But I go to production. Fouts didn't have the big wins necessary. And, you know, so again, Steve Young and Aaron. and Rogers and Dan Fouts did not make this list.

It was inches not feet. Does that say Peyton Manning above? No, no, I didn't put it in order. I just said, Peyton, Brady, Montana. Like, people say Bradshaw. Bradshaw was a monster for a decade. Big wins, production, did it forever, played hurt. Again, Marino, how do you have Marino in there? Because his production was so great.

And he did it for so many years that I, I, I, would probably put him closer to eight than I would won, because he doesn't have as many big wins. Now, he won his division a lot, and he won playoff games, but he didn't get... He never won a Super Bowl. He never won a Super Bowl. But he won a lot of big games. Dan won his division. Division, you know, it's like in college, if you win the SEC

and don't win the national championship, that's still worth a... That's a real legitimate banner. That's a prize. Win the Big Ten is a prize. You don't have to just win the national championship. So Marino had a lot of wins. It was a good division, and Marino was great, and he won playoff games,

but he didn't win the big one, so I'd knock him a little. But, yeah, I mean, Breeze is, I just think he's remarkable. He's, you know, you're great when they compare young great players to you. And that's what we do. I mean, everybody's like, oh, he's the next Drew Breeze. Well, that's pretty good. They only do that for about seven quarterbacks. You only ever hear he's the next blank.

You know, you really never hear he's the next Aaron Rogers. Not Mahomes, but even Mahomes, you don't even see Aaron Rogers. He's getting compared more to Brett Farrs. Yes. And here's the other thing. The quarterback in Green Bay that resurrected the franchise was the quarterback before Aaron Rogers. That was Brett Farr. The Packers were, they were a dumpster fire.

And then Farrv resurrected the franchise and then handed the baton to Aaron. I'm not blaming Aaron, but that's the reality. Breeze resurrected the franchise. He had to do what Fav did. I don't think people remember, you know, young people remember just how bad. the Saints were. They were Cleveland. You know, like Cleveland's so bad, they've been kind of pathetic.

Like the Saints were so bad, they were like, they were a punchline on late night shows. They were pathetic. They were the Clippers in the NBA. When you can go and resurrect the Clippers, that's a lot harder than joining the Lakers. Nothing against Kobe, but when you join the Lakers and you had Jerry West and you got, you got, you know, you got the Phil Jackson's and the Jay. And you get, then, oh, here comes Shaq and here. That's a lot easier. than resurrecting the Clippers or the New Orleans Saints.

So there you go. Greg CoSell, top of next hour, is going to join us. It's the NFL meat sandwich. NFL game tonight. Colts Patriots talk about that. Don't be the guy in the room. With the long, sloppy-looking Untucket shirt, go to Untucket.com.

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I'm going to go in a rant here for a couple of minutes. Just a couple of minutes. Joy, just a couple minutes. Okay. Nick Saban, story came out yesterday. He makes $8.3 million at Alabama. Pay the players of big guys. Too much money.

He's underpaid. He's underpaid. Nick Saban's underpaid 10 titles in five years. He gets 7% of their football revenue. Alabama football revenue makes $108 million a year. His salary is 7%. Hell, I tip my waitress at Appleby's 22%. He makes 7% of Alabama.

And for the record, that's just of Alabama football revenue. Alabama football revenue. He makes 7% of it. Five titles. Well, he's in a big national power. They all win. Really? USC went in right now?

Texas went in right now? Florida winning right now, Tennessee winning right now, Michigan winning titles right now. You think LSU is going to knock down a couple titles with Ed Orgeron? What are you talking about? National powers. Georgia doesn't have a national title in forever. Give me a break.

Just because you're a national power, Alabama was a mess before he got there. They've had no NCAA baggage, and he takes a whopping 7% of revenues. I'm not even counting the increase in admissions since he came to Alabama. We've had studies on this that when football teams win, like USC wins or Oklahoma wins, the admissions go up. You get 15,000 more kids want to be in your school. I'm not even counting those $42,000 a year checks from students. If I did, he'd be making about 2% of revenues at Alabama.

This guy, Nick Saban should open up one of those GoFundMe account. Give me a break. Oh, he's underpay. too much money. What about the players? What about them? What about the players? Kansas basketball and Alabama football.

They're filling stadiums for the last 100 years. You know, Tim Tebow is the only college player in my life where literally he was selling merchandise, millions of dollars of merchandise. I mean, like Tim Tebow was his own industry.

Hell, he's still his own industry. But if I have to hear again about, oh, these college coaches make so much money, he makes 7% of football revenues. Now, I'll criticize Nick Saban. He goes to the podium three times a year and complains about stuff, which he, yesterday he went on the podium to complain about stuff. Let me blast him for this because he's totally wrong on this. With two of success this season, how cool is it for you to see your fans kind of support him with things like Lays and Hawaiian shirts and Game Day?

Well, I think it's great. I think that, you know, I think what makes this a special experience here is when we have, you know, great support from everybody in the program. everybody that supports the program, all of our fans, all of our students. I can honestly say I was a little disappointed that there weren't more students at the last game. You know, when I first came here, you used to play that tradition thing up there, and everybody was cheering and excited and happy, and there was a great spirit. Right, now they don't even cheer. They introduce our players, nobody even cheers.

And if that's not here, then does it continue to be special to be here or not? You know, to see half the student section not full. I've never seen that since I've been here before. Yeah, because the students are tired of you scheduling Louisiana Monroe at home. Alabama plays at least three cupcakes every year at home. They get a buy right before Auburn. They won't go on the road out of conference.

It's always a neutral field. His first five years, he wasn't as dominant, was he? Because he went on the road for out-of-conference games. Listen, Nick, okay, this is college football. You totally control your schedule. You schedule Panera bread, you know, twice a year. That's what you get. I mean, seriously, this is what you get.

Now, the fans show up for the good games because the students aren't stupid. They know when you're challenged. But that's totally on Nick. He totally controls, completely controls the schedule. He won't go on the road for out of conference games. He hasn't done that in the half decade. He always puts buys in front of the big ones. It's funny, the coincidence.

He's always got a buy before LSU or a buy before Auburn. It's funny how it works. And he plays Panera bread three times a year. That's on you. All right. From that, we go to an NFL. Meet Sandwich, my favorite guy every week, 40 years NFL films. Greg CoSells. Joining us. Greg, how are you? I like Panera bread, Colin. The Citadel, Arkansas State, Raging Cajuns. Come on. Do better.

You know, everybody needs a good game against McNeese State once in a while. Let's start with this. Patrick Mahomes. Good Lord. He's Marino. He's Farr. I mean, listen, he's talented. He hasn't played in the snow yet, and he plays in Kansas City. What's the tape say? Well, I just have a question. Are we ready right now to put Petma Holmes in an historical context after four starts this year and one start last year? He's played exceptionally well. That's tough to argue. Last week, in the fourth quarter, he did a lot of what he did in college, which was play randomly outside of structure,

and make tremendous downfield throws. That's a strength of his game. But I think it's a little premature to put him in historical. context. One can always talk about skill sets and traits. Obviously, there was a reason. People did not see him as the number one pick in a draft. I think it's too early to say that, oh, everybody made a mistake. So I think we can talk about his performance to this point, but I think the historical context needs a little more time, don't you? Yeah, he plays in a cold weather city. He's yet to see a hailstorm. I always say when you're playing outdoors in bad weather. The season to me doesn't start until

Thanksgiving, so let's just see him. And Andy Reid's teams, by the way, historically, start very, very well as September. If the Patriots win tonight, and I suspect they will, the culture all banged up, it's in Foxborough, and Miami loses Sunday to the Bengals, I think they will. New England will once again lead their division. So, you know, let's not overreact here.

But I did think without Julian Edelman, they were pretty sparse on the perimeter with dynamic playmakers, and I think their running backs are kind of average. But they did draft a kid from Georgia, Sony Michelle. Is he going to matter? Because it looked like he mattered this past week. He did. And well, they chose to make him matter.

And I like Michelle, I guess more than you do. I liked him coming out quite a bit. What was interesting with what they did, and you and I both know Belichick, that he could never do this again the rest of the season because he plays week to week. But in this particular game, what he did was he lined up with a fullback. Michelle had 25 runs in this game. 19 of them had the fullback Devlin on the field. that's very rare in today's NFL.

And that's what he chose to do. There was something about Miami's defense that he felt he could do that and be effective doing it. Yeah, but like you said, he may never do it again, but that's what Bill does better than anybody. So I said in the preseason, I don't take much from preseason, but Baltimore's first team lines, I said, you know what, I'm going to take a little out of Baltimore's preseason. They look pretty good to me. And I also think Joe Flackle, when inspired, tends to be a better, he's not as a lot. aspirational is Brady. He doesn't wake up every morning wanting to be the greatest ever, but when pushed, he can be good. So what's the film say on Joe Flacco's resurgence? I think Joe Flacco,

the last two weeks, Colin, has thrown the ball exceptionally well, maybe better than I can recall in the last number of years. And people forget about Flacco. Flacco is a big man with a very strong arm. And velocity is not measured in how far you can throw a football. Velocity in the NFL is measured on certain kinds of throws like deep digs that you have to. to throw between defenders and before a safety attacking it from up high. Those are armstrain throws. Flacco has always had tremendous arm strains. Now, I don't know if it was on him or whether he was coached this way,

but he sort of became a guy who wouldn't push the ball down the field. Now he's pushing the ball down the field more and throwing with tremendous accuracy. Yeah. By the way, the Steelers, everybody's talking about Lavian Bell got to bring him back. I mean, you're watching the film. How much is tape? Is he missed? James Connor seems, you know, he's fine. But here's the way I would answer that.

And it's very difficult to quantify, but my guess is this is true. I think Levyon Bell is a player that defense's game plan for. I don't think James Connor is. So, again, without knowing exactly a defensive coordinator's game plan approach from Wednesday to Friday, my guess is that he's game plan for so that impacts how you allocate your defensive resources and players, And that does impact Antonio Brown. Yeah, I think that's fair to say.

I also think he's a tremendous wide receiver. I mean, he had like 80 catches last year. That's fairly profound historically. So, listen, we know that Dak Prescott doesn't have Des and Witten. We know his rookie year. I mean, listen, I didn't like him out of college. I thought he was a better T-bo. I didn't like his throwing motion or his accuracy.

And he got beat up a lot in Mississippi State. So I wasn't high on him. And then he shocked me in year one. He really shocked me. And now I look at him and I think, God, he's got a really low ceiling. He's not that accurate after his primary guys cut off. I mean, what is the big difference year one and now? Is it just no Dez and no witness?

Is that it? Well, I think that his rookie year, everything was pristine. Great back, great O line. Des still playing well. I think that for Dez to be successful, the Cowboys need to be a balanced offense, as they were this past week. If they have success running the ball, then that changes everything. for DAC. And we've talked about him before. He's not exceptionally accurate. He can make, he's an NFL quarterback so he can make throws. I mean, he had Gallop this past week on a go

route, a fade route, beautifully thrown ball. He certainly made a great throw to Elliot, beautifully designed play based on what they were getting in overtime from the Lions defense with the linebacker covering Elliott, which had happened for about five plays before that last one. So it was a great call by Scott Linnehan. But he can make throws. I just don't think he's consistent enough where if he has to drop back 35, 40 times every week, he can be your guy. You know, I want to talk, it's really interesting because football's the only sport, Greg Kosell, NFL films 30 years, football's the only sport where you practice six to seven

times more than you play. Yeah. It really is. It's the only sport like that. It's a lot of practice for very little playing. I mean, baseball is the exact opposite. So Aaron Rogers has not practiced as much lately. is he said this week we weren't acceptable, our offense wasn't acceptable.

Is it just a he's not practicing enough, or does a tape say something about the Packers' offense? Well, he did not have a strong game this week. He was not sharp throwing the ball. He missed some routine throws. Their past game normally is not very rhythmic. But there's normally, when he's healthy, second reaction explosive pass plays that compensate. They're not getting those now because his knee is obviously a bit of an issue. Rogers, and we've discussed this, Colin, for me, is a very, very difficult evaluation because

he's in rhythm when he's moving and out of rhythm when he's playing from the pocket, which is the exact opposite of most quarterbacks. And I know I've said this to you before. He's more jazz musician than classical pianist. He's, like I said, he's in rhythm when he's playing on the move as opposed to within structure. Yeah. He's really a different cat. I think his personality is different.

His style is different. Yep. So you and I have had conversations about Mitch Trubisky mostly off the air, and I think both of us think he's okay. But coaching matters. Jeff Fisher to Sean McVeigh, Jared Gough, it matters. Mitch Trubisky had just a fantastic game, and bear fans are piling on me. They're like, Colin, you're a hater on this guy. And I'm like, listen, I watched the Bears play with Matt Nagy.

Greg, and they look clever. It's like they're using a different playbook than everybody. There's motions and different sets. What do you make of a six touchdown performance? What do you make of it? I'll just tell you the conceptual game plan by Nagy and the Bears' offensive coaching staff. They played a defense in the Bucks. There's not a lot of mystery. They play a ton of zone concepts. There are certain route concepts that break that down. The Bears went and used those route concepts all game, and the Bucks never made an adjustment. Quite honestly, they should have made an adjustment. I was surprised watching the tape. Now, you still have to make the throws. So we give Trubisky credit for that. But he made the throws that were defined and clean based on the

route concepts versus those particular zone coverages. Yeah, I'm watching. He did make a couple of nice throws, Greg. Without question. Yeah, he made a couple of, uh, yeah, it's kind of funny to watch. There were a ton of cover three and cover four beta route concepts, and they kept getting the same coverage, and they kept beating it, and he made the throws. Yeah. So I watched Josh Rosen. I was very interested to watch him play against Seattle, and I got to tell you, I was kind of impressed. There was a couple of drops. I thought he looked pretty good.

I thought he looked pretty good. Yeah, I thought he looked really good. And he looked like he did in college to me. There was a refinement. There was a nuance to his game in the pocket. He threw the ball with accuracy, made some big throws, plays from the pocket extremely well, has a calm helmet, but yet went through progressions. I thought he threw the ball really well.

And it's interesting when you see a quarterback that plays with a refined sense of timing, how all of a sudden the offensive line looks a little better. Yes, yes. Now, explain that because that was my first takeaway. It's like, how come he's getting protection? Why is that? Well, quarterbacks who play with a lot of rhythm and timing and get the ball out within the structure of the design play,

always make an old line look better. It's the reason that quarterbacks who move around a lot get sacked more. It's a reason why Russell Wilson gets sacked a lot. DeShone Watson gets sacked a lot because they move often prematurely and they break down their own pass protection. Well, I'm glad you liked him because I thought he had a couple of bad drops. I thought he played really, really well. I think they need some help on that offensive front. Without question.

Yeah, it's not a great offensive line. All right, your play of the week, it's the Rams, which I'm excited for because, again, fun concepts or some college stuff they do with a running game. I like. They're the best watch right now in the league, so here you go. Go forward. Oh, there are a lot of fun to watch. So let's start the touchdown to Robert Woods. It was a seam ball, and it was a beautiful throw. Gough's accuracy has improved so much this year. He's really precise. But I loved what they did. They shifted Gurley out wide as the number one receiver to the boundary, okay? So it's an empty set. So Anthony Barr and Holton Hill, what the Vikings did is they bumped out. And now you had a linebacker,

bar over Woods. Okay, so they notice that right away. So what you're going to get is what we call four vertical routes. It's fourverts. That's what they're running here. Pre-snap, two deep safeties with Andrew Sendejo and Harrison Smith. But now just before the snap, Smith drops down, Sendejo goes into the deep middle, away from Woods. So now Woods is running a vertical route with a linebacker bar on him. That's the throw. So that's exactly where Gough threw it. And As I said, the ball placement just outstanding. He's so much better this year at that, and at late in the down pocket movement. He's clearly improved in those two areas.

God, there's so much fun to watch. It must be fun to watch their film. It's so much fun to watch their film. Their route concepts, what they do. They have a distinct profile. I could almost describe them as being very simple and very detailed at the same time. You know, it's funny. Somebody asked me the other day about him.

I said, in a weird way, they're kind of a power running team. Well, everything starts with the outside zone run game because that's what they work off of. Gough on first down this year, Colin, is 46 for 56 on first down. Wow. Great CoSail. Great talking to you. Thanks, Colin. Appreciate it.

Coming up next. If you hear something over and over, even if it can't be verified, it is true. It is. And that's coming up next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. If you hear something over. and over, Joy, do you believe it's true? Like, if somebody told you...

That's a bit of a little question. There's somebody in this industry. I'm not going to get into names, but I've been told over and over, don't know him, he's a jerk. And I've heard it like six different times from six different people and I'm like, okay, that person's a jerk. No, I mean, if I get a review on someone, I will take it to notes, but I like to make assessments for myself. All right. I'm more judgmental than you. If I hear it from like five people, I just consider that person to be a jerk and I avoid them. Well, no, I can be judgmental.

But I just, I think that, you know, reputations happen in certain situations. So, like, Aaron Rogers, Mike McCarthy, another story out. And it's like, okay, it's another story. There's a battle. And Aaron Rogers is saying, no, so here's Aaron Rogers. It's not a big deal. It's no big deal. You know, and of course, your local Green Bay media and your cheeseheads are all, you know,

there's no big deal here after about the 13th time, you know, of hearing about, like, Jennifer Aniston, when you go and see the National Enquirer at the grocery store, it's like rumors that Jennifer Aniston's going to get a divorce, and she always gets divorced after the rumors in the National Enquirer. So the National Enquirer is onto something. But Aaron Rogers, he's the Jen Aniston of the NFL. He doesn't, his relationships all turn south. He's had family members, brothers, dads, players, RIP.

He can't, like relationships in him, they don't tend to last. It's a possibility that Aaron Rogers just does. We were talking about discipline yesterday. is discipline of skill? And it is. And emotional discipline is a skill. Bikeability. It's possible that Aaron Rogers is just not a good manager of his brands when it comes to that.

I think he's actually a good manager of it. I think he's a good salesman that everything is okay. I think Jennifer Aniston is a good salesperson of, hey, it's, it's, but you get down to the common denominator theory. Jen, you can't. I don't speak to Jennifer Anderson. because I don't have done my research on how many divorces she's had.

I've done a lot of research on her. But after a while, it's her. Look, I mean, there's people that you haven't gotten along with in your career. But I mostly get along with people. For sure. But if you keep ending up

not getting along with people, it's the common denominator theory. Jen Anniston, after a while. Well, I think you can not get along with people and then also manage how that is then released to the public. Like when you're someone like Aaron Rogers, you need to be better at smoothing that over.

You don't have to get along with someone, but you can't let them leave the situation complaining about it. But I think he's good at the smoothing over part. I think he is, he's very good at saying it's okay. He's very slick. He did it yesterday with McCarthy. This is where he's very good. Let's show that tape. Mike and I talk all the time.

You know, we have a great relationship. There's always been great communication between us, you know, even if there is things that we need to talk about that are tough, you know, tough subjects. You know, we've never had a problem. I'm finding time and talking, and that's the way it's been for 10-plus years. For any relationship, it starts with good communication and being able to be honest with each other and then hug it out afterwards. But there's frustration in this business, and that's what Mike always says. You know, conflict is good.

By the way, January 16th of this year, Ben Rathlisberger said, I get along great with Todd Haley. January 17th, Todd Haley got fired. And we kept hearing that Haley and Big Ben didn't get along. And Ben would say every time, it's good, it's fine. it's okay. It's conflict is okay. As he should. But in the end, it was real.

The next day he got fired. Well, that doesn't, I mean, just because the rumors turned out to be true. Do you believe rumors? I do. Not initially. I tend to want to hear multiple rumors, I believe them. One rumor I don't. There's a lot of stupid people on the internet.

But like, if you hear stuff over and over and over from credible sources, it's like, okay, after a while, this guy's a jerk. She's crazy. But I also think when you're at an elite level, you have a different set of, like you were talking about this the other day, about the older you get, the less tolerance you have for incompetence. Right. Like, Aaron Rogers is just quite possibly the point in his career where he just can't handle any level of incompetence or, or bad play or any of that.

Like, he's on an elite level. Yeah, but so was Peyton Manning was on an elite level. He didn't have these constant National Enquirer rumors. He had different personalities. He's like Peyton Manning's personality. I mean, they're not even comparable Aaron Roderson and Peyton Manning. personality-wise. You know, I'm going to get a reputation as I'm always picking on it.

You are, you think I pick on him. You're trending that way, yes. I'm trying to save us. You think I pick on him? He's like Mr. State Farm. He's like a superstar in the league. It's like another story. How do I not report that?

How did people not confront that? It's like a thing. It's like become a thing. Like Westbrook's hard to play with. It's become a thing. Like GM's voted in the NBA GM survey yesterday. GMs privately on that survey, not one of them put them top 10 in leadership. Not one put him top 10 in passing.

Not one put him in, I'd build my franchise. At some point, people are honest when they don't have to put a name or a face on a quote, you're more honest. NBA general managers, they don't like Westbrook as much as the fans do either. Well, yeah, but someone also honestly, anonymously said that they could plug in any of the top 15 quarterbacks in the league and have the same success that they have at top Brady. That guy was just a jerk who said that. That's just dumb.

That's a dumb coach. Joy Taylor with the news. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Speaking of Tom Brady, we played a clip of Tom Brady pretty frustrated the other day. Patriots, slow start could also have some expensive implications for Tom Brady because he is currently on track to earn none of his $5 million worth of incentives this year. So he earns $1 million per incentive in these different categories.

he's finishing in the top five in passer rating. He's currently 16th, finishing in the top five in completion percentage. He's currently 20th. Top five in yards per attempt. Currently 26. He's going to finish way higher in passer rating. He'll finish top five in passer rating. Just give him, remember he's got 12 games to go.

Now he's got Edelman. Watch that go way up. And Gromke's going to play this week also. And top five in touchdown passes. He's eighth. And top five in passing yards. He's 20th. So I do agree with you with the passer rating.

He won't get big passing yards. unless Josh Gordon emerges. But his completion percentage, passer rating, yards, you know, he's going to get top five and TD passes. He's going to get a bunch of those because tonight, watch him. He'll have four touchdown passes tonight because the Colts are all beat up. I would guess he's probably not going to be top five in yards per attempt or passing yards. No, no.

Passing yards, he's got no shot. They just don't have dynamic players. And, by the way, they've got a running back, a young running back, Sony and Michelle, they really like. And so, and he also throws the James. White a lot, who's a running back. They're not like, by the way, Jared Goff and Mahomes, I mean, they have deep threats. Goff and Mahomes

are going to end up with a ton of yards. So is at the end of the year, Ben is going to end up with a ton of yards. Flacco's got a couple of good deep threats. Probably Philip Rivers too. Speaking of slow starts, the Giants are off to an even slower start, dropping three of their first four games, and much of the criticism has been put on Eli Manning

for the shortcomings offensively. And Brett Favre has come to Eli's defense. The way he plays the game has not changed. You have to protect him. He's not going to win with his feet. I mean, every once in a while, you know, he may scramble, but he is who he is. And when you can protect him, he's really good.

And I think his demeanor, I think his personality, and I think his physical attributes really haven't changed. And so I think it's up to the team in the organization to provide him with adequate protection. You've got to figure out a way to protect the guy. I mean, you can't say, well, now, Eli, we expect you to move around and make plays because we don't think we can protect you that well. Well, Russell Wilson led the NFL and TD passes last year with a crappy O'L line. With Eli, you can't build a perfect team in a salary cap. They're spending a lot of money on defense.

They're spending a lot of money on O'Dell Beckham. Now they're spending big money on a running back. At some point, Eli's got to make plays. You can't build a perfect team around him. The Giants are spending a lot of money and now on a left tackle, a pass rusher, a corner, a safety. Ogletree a linebacker. Like at some point, Eli, be better. I mean, God, you can't give a guy a perfect. And Russell Wilson's running for his life and leaves the NFL on touchdown. Aaron Rogers has never had a running game.

When's the last time Aaron Rogers had a running game? He's dropping 38 touchdown passes a year. At one point or another, it is kind of on Eli. Like, every quarterback, I'm sure, would love to just be protected all the time. A quarterback doesn't prefer to be running around the field trying to make a play on his feet. Finally, when it was known that, let's Leon Bell was not going to be around for the season opener. Obviously, a lot of the Steelers players were upset, particularly the offensive line made it clear they weren't very happy about it. And now that he is reportedly

coming back after week seven, some of the Steelers seem to be backtracking on their comments. Marquis Pouncey said we've done a lot of great things with Levian. He's been a heck of a player here. A great teammate. We'll never forget that. I'm pretty sure when he comes back, everyone will be fine with it. And Marcus Gilbert said it's music to my ears. It sounds good, but I wish it

could have him back today. I know we're all waiting on him. Yeah, you know. Winning Curesall. And I really feel like right now because the Steelers are struggling and it's like very bleak. They're like, yeah, we could probably use that, I don't know, top running back in the league. They want to win games. Huge piece of our offense.

It'd be kind of nice to have Levy on Bell back. I know everyone was freaking out after week one, like James Connor is just going to come in and plug and play, but you can't replace Levee on Bell like that. You just can't, which is why, I mean, he's not, I know he wants to be with the Steelers and retire with the Steelers. I think that ship has sailed. Players, to me, this isn't surprising coming from players,

because at the end of the day, everyone wants to make money. Everyone wants to win, but it's kind of an unspoken thing about letting somebody deal with the money and what they want to do with their career on their own. You know, at one point in another, you've got to separate, like, trying to win with the fact that it's what you do for a profession. But Steelers, I don't know, Steelers are going to have to get it back on track and we'll see what happens after week seven. I just, I have a piece of video that's disturbing. Yankee fan throwing a beer at an A's fan after they won, a brand new beer. Fans are jerk.

Why would you do that to somebody? That's such a jerky man. I would have to guess there was some alcohol involved. God, why would you do that? Such a jerky. Yeah, I know why. Is it drunk? Joy with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. That's another thing. Yankee Stadium, that's a $13 beer. Who is throwing away a $13 beer? That's likely, that's somebody that's likely never had hands on them before. If you're, if you're feeling crazy enough to throw a beer in something,

somebody's face, you really have no fear of the repercussion of that. I've had someone pour a beer on me before. Did I ever tell what happened? I had one bad stadium incident in my life. I literally had a hot dog at San Diego, Qualcomm, and I had a hot dog. And it was too big for the container, and it was kind of bent. And I was on the second deck, the first row of the second deck. And as I sat down, it popped out and flipped over the rail.

It had mustard and stuff all over it, landed right in the guy's head. They just splattered mustard everywhere. Well, your first mistake was eating a hot dog because that's disgusting. It was this gigantic, like Chicago style, and it flipped over the railing and landed right in a guy's head. I looked down and he looked up and he was furious. Did he come up and punch you in the face? No, I just, but I wasn't going to go down there. I'm like, that's the brakes.

You didn't go down and be like, hey, man, I'm sorry. Let me buy you a beer or anything? No. You made the right choice. He probably would have punched your face. Yeah, he would have punched me right in the forehead. This must be pre-Twitter because I didn't see tweets about Cowherd throws hot dog at fan. No, I didn't throw a hot dog.

It sounds like you kind of threw the hot dog. And it flew. It was like trapped in its bun. And as I separate, it went boing-o-o-o-o-o-y-o-and it came over. So this hot dog just miraculously bounced out of the bun and it had been flipped out of the bun. And it went all the way down. And he had no idea. And some guy was like, hey, you jerk.

And I was like, it's a stadium. Things happened. Was he wearing a Westbrook jersey? He was. It was actually. he was wearing a Westbrook jersey. He's an Aaron Rogers fan. And Westbrook was only eight at the time, which is even more remarkable. DeAngelo Halls around the corner. I'm going to, uh, uh, yeah, he is. We're back in a second. It's the herd. Tonight we've got a huge early season matchup as Andrew Luck and the Colts going to Foxborough to take on Tom Brady and the Patriots.

Tonight at 730 Eastern on Fox NFL Network and streaming on Prime Video. By the way, I like the Patriots to blow out the Colts tonight. Today is October 4th. So NFL September is gone. NFL October is here. Last 10 years. Here's the best records in the NFL in October. New England won, Green Bay, 2, Saints, 3, Steelers, 4. All have four Hall of Fame quarterbacks. By the way, here's who they play this week. New England hosts Indianapolis, win by a route.

Pittsburgh hosts Atlanta, Steelers win. Green Bay will beat Detroit and New Orleans. Washington Monday, I think, is a potential upset. But I think it's going to be really close. So the best October records are the New England Patriots, Aaron Rogers, Drew Brees, and Big Ben. tells you that September is a warm-up month, an extension of the preseason. Now it gets

serious. And with that, DeAngelo Hall's got a great story or two on this game tonight, and I'll tell you what's interesting, that, and I think DiAngelo knows where I'm going to go with this. Belichick does not like Cleveland. Cleveland fired him.

And everybody in the league knows that Belichick hates Cleveland. He wouldn't send Jimmy Garoppolo there. They were interested. He's like, I'm not sending him to Cleveland. And that's some people are you a grudge holder? I'm not a big grudge holder. I'm not. I'm not either. But some people are, Joy is very petty.

Yes, that is true. No, but you know something about the cults and the Patriots. Yeah, and I'm not going to divulge any names because I don't want to make anybody upset. I might someday be working for Bill. Who knows? But I do know for a fact that it's two things that Bill says when you walk into that New England locker room. Don't mention that team, the other team in New York, which is the district. jets and the Colts.

And I don't know if this cult thing goes back to obviously knowing the path to a Super Bowl and, you know, to an AFC championship was through Indianapolis. It was the whole Peyton Manning versus Tom Brady thing. And for a long time, I was a pagan guy because Peyton was just so relatable. I remember going to my first Pro Bowl and Peyton, me being a part of Reebok, Peyton just came up to me. diho what's up put his arms around me like he like he knew me and here i am this 22 year old kid looking around at all these pro bowlers like wow you know just mesmerized and for peyton to just

come grab me and put his arm around me act like we're home boys from that point on i i became the biggest Peyton manning fan there was and i mean that's why i always pick patent over time what you but you think see i think it's real simple the jets turned in balacheck on spy again and the Colts turned in the Patriots on Deflate Gate, and that's why Belichick tells people, Jets and Colts, we hate them both. But this was even before Deflate Gate was the Colts thing. They just don't like him. He just told his guys, look.

And so when Josh did not go to Indianapolis, I kind of knew where that came from. That was sticking it to the Colts. Yeah, that was kind of like, no, we're going to, you know, and I don't know what changed in that whole dynamic. I love New England tonight. I do too. I think they're going to thump the Colts.

And I really like a lot about the Colts. But the Colts won't even, when you watch the game tonight, they won't even pretend they have a running game. When you ask your quarterback to throw 62 times out of 75 snaps, and by the way, of the other running plays, Andrew Luck had three of those running plays. The Colts are a completely one-dimensional team at this point. And Ty Wylton, their one passing dimension deep won't play.

I think it's a complete blowout. And I'm not supposed to say that because it's on Fox. It'll be a good game, but it'll be ugly. So here's a thing. This is about the 15th time I've heard Aaron Rogers doesn't get along with somebody. Okay. And he and McCarthy, I have it sourced multiple times through the years. They're not best buds.

They don't, you know, like Belichick and Brady until recently were they... Yeah, we thought they were close. So what do you make of McCarthy and Aaron Rogers? Because I'm tired of picking on errand, so you tell me what you think. You know, the big misconception in pro sports is that we all have to be best friends. And so for me, I don't really care if they are best friends or if they enjoy hanging out outside of football because they really don't need to. All they need to do is agree on a game plan, implement that game plan to figure out what's the best way to win football games. And for the most part, those guys have been pretty good.

doing that. They haven't aired a lot of their dirty laundry, even if they've never been friends. And so for me being in a locker room, it's some guys that I didn't like in that locker room personally, but it didn't interfere with my ability to help either line them up or put them in position to make plays and vice versa for myself. When you, okay, so let's say you're in a locker room and there's five or six guys you just don't like. Generally, why don't you like them? Let's get personal here. It's just little things that they do. Maybe they don't take the game. game serious enough.

Maybe in practice when I feel like you should be worrying about XYZ, you're worried about something else. And I mean, that tends to be a lot of the a lot of the noise in a locker room or friction is because it means more to you than that guy. That's a really good point. And if you can see that, everyone

else can see that as well. Tony Gonzalez told me, he said 3% of the league is completely absolutely committed. That wants to be great. Like literally players want to be superstars. Tony's like, I wanted to be a superstar. And he said, you would be

shocked at the number of guys or just taking a check. Yeah. And you wanted to be a star. Yeah, absolutely. And guys drove you crazy when they weren't committed. They did. And as you mature and you grow in the league or in whatever respective sports you play,

what's important to you tends to change? Because at first I was labeled a me guy. All I wanted to do was make pro-bowls and make plays. But as I continued to do those things and still didn't feel as though I was getting the amount of respect as guys who were winners were getting, then I was like, well, maybe it's not just about my own stats and pro bowls and this. I got to be a part of something. And as you continue to grow and mature in whatever sports you're in, you'll learn that.

And so, you know, I used to tell my young guys all the time, when I used to get up and talk to rookies, I used to tell them, hey, look, this dude is playing this league for money, is dudes that play for fame. It's dudes that play because they want, you know, good-looking girls. Right. And so regardless what you play for, it's dudes that play for the name on the back of their jersey. Regardless what you play for,

prepare and treat it as if it's a job. Because you won't go wrong. You know, you always heard the old saying, you can't get money chasing girls, but you can get girls chasing money. And so that's kind of the comparison, you know. Like, if you ball, and you're doing your job the right way

and you're playing this game the right way. Things will work out. A lot of those other things are paying out for. I always tell my wife, everybody's an opholic. I'm a workaholic. It's better than an alcoholic. There's a lot of o'holics out there. If you're going to be one, be a workaholic

because at least it'll take care of your family. You'll have good health care. You'll have good education for your kids. So you were in, so Drew Breeze is, Joy and I think is probably the most underrated quarterback, kind of of our generation. and this Monday he'll set a bunch of records on Monday night football. You faced the early Saints Breeze when you were a Falcon.

What do you remember about it? I tell you what. We were part of, I guess, what started as the legacy of Drew Breeze. I mean, he had a pretty good career in San Diego, but obviously they had Philip Rivers and waiting. And so, you know, he had to go somewhere else. A lot of people didn't want to take a chance on him and, you know, Boylands takes a chance on him, him and Sean Payton, I think, has one of the greatest

relationships in all the sports. It seems as though that's the case with those two guys. They seem to always be on the same page. But my Atlanta Falcons team, we were undefeated. The year they opened back up the Superdome. Post-Katrina. Post-Katrina. It was the first game of the season back in that place.

Oh, good God. Oh, man. You're talking about the perfect storm. They had just drafted Reggie Buzz. That was the punt block. That was the punt block. Sean Gleason. Yes. Yes. And so, yes, we knew at that point that

tandem of Sean Payton and Drew Brees was going to win a lot of games because we saw just the atmosphere, the camaraderie those guys had. Steve Gleason. Yeah, Steve Gleason, yeah. And just the way that team rallied behind Drew, like quarterbacks aren't in the middle of team huddles, breaking it down, getting the guys hype. It's part of what we all like about Baker is

because he can be that kind of guy. But Drew, you know, I don't know if it's because he played in a small market. I don't know if it's because all the other quarterbacks who were great around the same time that Drew played or what. But, yeah, he's one of the most underrated players, I think, that has ever played the game, not just quarterback. You know what I also think there's a, Trent Dilferrault always calls it a dude quality. He's a dude. Yeah, he's absolutely a dude. Like, there's certain guys. Like, I never thought guys wouldn't want to hang out with Jay Cutler.

Nothing against Jay Cotler. Yeah. He's not really, I don't think he's a guy that you'd want to. Hey, what do you want to do tonight? Let's go over to J's. He's not really that kind of guy. Like Drew Brees, the guy, if he called you up and said, dude, four of us. We're going out in New Orleans.

We're going to go knock down a couple cocktails and have some oysters. You'd be like, this is going to be a fun night. Yeah, I'm down with that. Drew Brees wants to go out and have oysters. Wouldn't that be a great call from Drew Brees? What do you do tonight? Want to have some oysters? Do you like oysters?

I grew up on the beach. I grew up oysters. I grew up on the beach. man. If you're in New Orleans, you got to hit dragoes, man. You got to have to dragos in New Orleans? I've been to a lot of places in New Orleans. Oh, char-grilled oysters. The best in the world.

Great food city. You're going to gain weight and go down to New Orleans. Don't go down there long. A couple days you put on eight pounds, get on a flight, come home. DeAngelo Hall, good seeing you. Hour number three in Los Angeles, around the corner, just getting started today. It is the herd. Hour number three, live in Los Angeles. This is the herd, wherever you may be and however you may be. and however you may be listening live.

Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio and FS1, Joy Taylor is joining me today. By the way, baseball playoffs last night. I watched the Cubs games a couple of nights ago and watched the Yankees game last night. Watch the baseball games today. I like baseball, just like it in the postseason, not really interested in, you know, June 18th, Kansas City Royals twins. But the Yankee Stadium crowd's incredible. Yankee Stadium is different than every place else. When I'm watching television, whatever it is, it's like Lambeau Field and Green Bay.

It sounds louder. I don't know if it is, but it sounds louder. And I don't know what it is at Yankee Stadium. It just sounds louder. And it totally hooks me in. Hard to turn a Packer game off at Lambo. It jumps right through the television. It's very hard for me.

If the Packers are on and it's at Lambo, I'm pulled in emotionally. Last night, Yankees is on. I'm totally pulled in. I don't know what it is. It's just there are certain arenas. There are certain venues. I mean, Notre Dame games at night. If Notre Dame's on television at night,

And they got the lights down in South Bend and touchdown Jesus on the wall. I don't even care who they're playing. They can be playing Navy, BYU. It doesn't matter. I get sucked into certain venues. They're just, they are, I don't even know. It's just big, it feels grand. And Yankee Stadium last night was great.

15 minutes were playing buy, sell, or hold. By the way, best for last. I saw something yesterday in sports. I cannot believe is still allowed. But tonight's Thursday night football on fall. Colts, Patriots from New England, baby, so I'm starting there. Tom Brady will get his 500th career touchdown pass tonight, probably tonight, if not in his next game.

And only three people have ever done that when Tom does that. Brady, Farr, and Peyton Manning. And Tom Brady is the only one of those three still playing, and he's less popular than all of them still. Why would that be? Is he a bad guy? No. Has he underachieved? No. Is he a bad dad? No. Bad husband? No. Tom is handsome and he has a

supermodel wife and he does high-end endorsements. He's one of those dreaded coastal elites. Ooh. That speaks not poorly of Tom that he's not as popular as Peyton Manning, who he's better than or Brett Farve, who he was much better than. It speaks poorly of us. It's about jealousy and envy. They've done studies on this, folks. When we think people are pulling away from us, we like them less. Fear-based. Oprah Winfrey, 20 years ago, lost weight. And her TV ratings went down. She got less popular. You see, politicians do this all the time. A very popular message with politicians. I'm one of you. I can relate to you. We are conjoined in this fight. No, you change laws. I'm a radio idiot. We're not even close to the same. You're changing.

legislation in America. You're a politician. You're a senator. You're a president. You're a governor. I just talk into a microphone. We're not the same. I want to remind everybody listening today that Michael Jordan did not eat Big Macs or Ballpark Franks, and he didn't wear Haynes underwear. I want to remind you that Peyton Manning doesn't eat Oreos, doesn't eat pizza a lot, does not drive a mid-sized sedan. My favorite Tom Brady quality is authenticity. he's never once tried to say, hey, hey, hey, I'm eating fast food tonight and a mountain do. I'm one of you.

No, he's never once tried to do that. Unlike your local politician or perhaps your federal one, your local columnist or your national one, your boss, whoever it is, who's selling you one thing and delivering another, Tom's never done that. We should have a new rule in sports today that we reward people who are honest with us. Even if honesty makes us a little uncomfortable, even if honesty makes us a little jealous, even if honesty makes us a little envious. Did you ever see that documentary he did, Tom versus Time?

Did that remind you of your life at all? No, it never did. but it was real. It wasn't my real. My life isn't Costa Rica. My life is not that splendid. My life is not surfing in Costa Rica, Mansion on the Beach. That's not my life.

But that's Tom's life, and that's a real life. No Oreos, no mid-sized sedans, no ballpark francs. By the way, there's nothing wrong with any of that stuff. But even on my show, I tell advertisers. If I don't use it, I'm not telling people I use it. I think I owe you that. Real. Tom Brady is less popular than Favre and Peyton Manning.

And it says nothing about him. It says everything about us. We always get the politicians and the celebrities we deserve. We get exactly what we deserve. Tom Brady's been a great dad, great husband, a great quarterback, a great teammate, taking great pay cuts, and doesn't try to sell you a bunch of crap that he's not using. He's a hundred percent authentic. Sometimes you could even argue he's a little nerdy. He's a little geeky. But then he sort of shows

us he's a little geeky. Tip of the cap to the greatest who's ever played, who keeps it as they say, 100. Let me shift to this because I'm really in the mood today to talk about honesty. Most people, I'm probably one of these people, most people don't like confrontation. Nobody ever comes up to me, it yells at me. They do on Twitter because they can be anonymous. You know what I mean? But like when I walk around the grocery store or a car wash or like, you know, everyday places, everybody comes up and says nice things. I've been doing this 30 years. Nobody's ever come up once. I've been a jerk. that was sober, sometimes drunk people.

But, you know, that's alcohol speaking. But people don't like confrontation. So it's easier, I'm not saying it's better. It's easier to be honest anonymously. You can rip somebody because they don't know it to you. And so every year, the NBA at this time of the year has their general manager survey. anonymously, general managers vote on a variety of topics. Now, publicly, general managers will never criticize a star player because they may want to get them.

First of all, they don't want to be seen as anti-player because players control the NBA. Players don't really control the NFL. Players don't control baseball. I mean, they don't control high. Players control, star players control the NBA. But I like this survey because it's the one time every year, General managers in the NBA can be absolutely honest because they can be anonymous. And a lot of people in the NBA, because Kevin Durant's going to be a free agent and

they'd like to get Kevin Durant on their roster. Love Kevin Durant. Every bit as good as LeBron. That's interesting because the general manager's NBA survey came out. LeBron won eight categories, best passer, which player forces coaches to a job. just most. Best small forward. Who will win MVP? Which new player will have the greatest impact? Best leader. Best IQ. Most versatile. Hell, LeBron finished second and best big forward. He's not even playing that position. Kevin Durant won one category. Who do you want to take a big shot at

the end of the game? By the way, he ranked third in the same survey, best shooter on his own team. LeBron won eight categories and finished second in a position he doesn't play. When you can go anonymous, you can tell the truth. Most versatile defender. Kevin Durant didn't get a vote. LeBron got third. LeBron stopped playing defense last year. So for the Kevin Durant is better than LeBron crowd, once general managers could be honest

about it, not close. Oh, by the way, Steph Curry got votes in the same. in 11 categories more than Kevin Durant got. So on his own team, Kevin Durant got votes in fewer categories than Steph Curry. Not even the biggest vote getter on his own team. So when you can go anonymous, you can be more honest. And in a star-driven league, when nobody ever wants to criticize stars, it would have been very, very easy. The one that everybody will talk about today, the one category is, if you were starting a franchise today and could sign any player, who would it be?

And LeBron got like fourth. But remember, that's always been a category about age. Last year, Carl Anthony Towns won it. Nobody in the NBA thought Carl Anthony Towns was better than LeBron. That category gets over discussed. I can't believe. That's an age category. GMs every year go out.

I mean, Joe L.M.B. got votes. You know, I mean, Anthony Davis, Giannis got votes. Last year it was Carl Anthony Towns. That's the one that'll get discussed today and people will freak out. LeBron should have won that. LeBron's in his, what, 16th year? Yeah, I mean, a lot of general managers are looking for the next star, not the current star. Don't pay that much attention to that one.

But pay attention to what the GMs, who could be totally honest about LeBron and Durant, how the voting went. LeBron won eight categories. leader, passer, IQ, positions. He doesn't even play he got votes in. Durant didn't get the most votes in the most categories on his own team. Good stuff. Tonight Patriots Colts, but coming up next, buy, sell, or hold. I'm the stockbroker.

You ask the question. I'll tell you what to do. Buy it, sell it, hold it. Back in a second, this is the herd. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days of week within the IHeart radio app. Search heard to listen live or on

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We do it once a week. We try to anyway. I'm the stockbroker. You ask questions. I tell you with your investment, should you buy it, should you sell it, should you hold it, Here we go. Time to buy, sell. Colin will decide if he'll buy it, sell, or hold.

Buy sell or hold, the Patriots will win the AFC East by at least two games. Well, 2009 is the last year the Patriots didn't win the AFC East by a couple of games. Here's something interesting to note that we all knew that their September was going to be a little choppy. You knew it, I knew it. because Edelman was out. They had new left tackle. No Dionne Lewis. Now Danny Amandola.

And they've always been kind of choppy in September anyway. But if they win tonight and Vegas has it as a 10 and a half to 10 point line for New England, meaning Vegas is predicting it's the biggest line in the NFL this weekend. Vegas is predicting this is the biggest blowout. Patriots over the Colts tonight. Crossing my fingers, it's competitive. Because it is on Fox and I want to see a good game. I don't want my company to have crappy games.

and if Miami loses at Cincinnati, and I suspect they will, New England will lead their division. First game, look at Joey's eyes. She's rolling it. Who didn't predict this? So, John, that's a buy-bye-bye. Yeah, that's a buy. New England wins the AFC East by at least a couple games.

Still don't think they're as good as they've been in years past, though. Buy-seller-hold. Andrew Luck will earn his first career win against New England in his sixth try. Well, it's something here that's really remarkable. and I said that before. Vegas will throw out lines occasionally, and they don't make any sense to me. This line opened at 10 to 10.5. So Vegas is, when's the last time you had a really, really high-end quarterback getting 10 and a half in this league?

It doesn't happen ever. Drew Breeze never gets 10.5. Ever. Matt Ryan, Aaron Rogers, Flacko. They don't get 10.5 points. Jared Goff's not getting 10.5 points the rest of his career. Andrew Locke, who had one of the great games in NFL history ever, statistically last week. is getting 10 and a half points.

And you've got to remember this. Andrew Luck is 0-15 against New England, and they've often been routes. Bill Belichick hates the Colts because he believes they turned them in for deflategate and the Peyton Manning stuff. And so John... Sell, sell, sell!

Andrew Luck will not win tonight. He'll be 0. and 6 against New England. By solar hole, the Steelers will miss the playoffs. Well, the division's better. Cincinnati's better than last year. Cleveland with Baker Mayfield now better than last year. Baltimore is better than last year. But some context, Steelers have made the playoffs four straight years,

and that's been a lot of complaining and a lot of noise and a lot of dysfunction. Here's why I think they're as good as any last place team. They're still third in pass offense. It's a passing league, and they do that really well. And the other thing is that this is one thing Mike Tomlin does. He generates a pass rush. They led the NFL in Sacks last year. They're fourth in Sacks again.

And so they have the best offensive line in their division. They're getting to the quarterback more than anybody else in their division. They have the best perimeter weapons in their division, and they have the best quarterback. So John, Sell, sell, sell. Steelers will make the playoffs. They'll get it straightened out here in October, November. They're your Super Bowl team. You better hope so. Yeah, no kidding.

By seller hold, Baker Mayfield will have the most wins of the rookie quarterback. So I'm going to say something, and everybody's going to go, you love Sam Darnold. Baker has a better roster than the Jets, rookie quarterback. He's got a better roster than the bill's rookie quarterback. He has a better roster than Arizona's rookie quarterback slightly. And Lamar Jackson's not starting. And the other thing is, I mean, if you start looking around, Baker Mayfield has three, I would say, usable, consistent running backs,

the best offensive line of all the rookie quarterbacks, the best wide receiver in his prime, excuse me, and he has the best defense. So John, By, bye, bye! Baker Mayfield should win more games than the other rookie quarterbacks. Now, I didn't predict that going into the year because I didn't think he'd start until, like, next week. But he's going to, for the record, they'll be really competitive against Baltimore this week.

That'll be it. I like the Ravens, but I like him close. Last one, buy-seller hole. Jared Goff will win MVP. Now, you know I like Jared Gop, but here's the thing about Patrick Mahomes. I keep saying this. Can we wait a second until he plays? in hail and snow.

Like, he's never played in bad weather. Jared Goff hasn't left the state of California. They have to go to Seattle, to Arizona, to Denver, two New Orleans, and to Chicago. The next three games are on the road. There's no getting around. They throw the deep ball. Timing and rhythm is always much easier home and away. So as much as I like the Rams and Jared Goff, John...

Sell, sell, sell. He only has the fifth best odds to an MVP. Let's watch him get out of California and go face Khalil Mack and the Saints pass rush and Denver's pass rush and Arizona's pass rush and Seattle. I think Seattle this weekend in L.A. is going to be very competitive. Touchdown game. I'll take the Rams, but a touchdown game. The other thing about the Colts tonight play New England.

And it's almost comical. Joy was laughing, rolling your eyes at this. If New England wins tonight, Miami loses. We look at it as a great September. Great September for Miami overachieved. A terrible September for New England. New England wins tonight. There's a strong likelihood. They'll lead the division going into the second week in October. Here's the thing about New England is, remember, winning's all about just being an inch ahead of your competition. There's no value winning big. New England, look at their adversaries in the AFC. If they were, in the NFC, I think they'd have real problems. Part of Nick Saban's dominance is the rest of the

conference has been crappy and poorly coached for most of the last decade. LeBron's dominance in the Eastern Conference, LeBron deserves a lot of credit, but outside of the Celtics, who's brilliantly coached in the East? Who had a really good roster? I mean, you have Pat Riley's a really good president. Brad Stevens are really good coach. It's just a lot of stuff. The bottom line is, If you look at the AFC right now, Steelers' defense is terrible. Kansas City's not playing defense and the Jags. Do you trust Bordles over Brady? So when I look at the Patriots, some of their dominance as good as it's been, Jets, Bill's rookie quarterbacks, Miami looked dysfunctional last week.

That is a big part of Sabin, LeBron, and Brady's dominance, is that you only got to beat your competition by an inch and they're just better run. They're smarter. They're more efficient. and tonight, they're a 10 point favorite over the Colts. That is a remarkable number by Las Vegas. I can't tell you the last time, an elite quarterback in the NFL, and luck is absolutely a top 10 guy, got 10 points. That tells you what Vegas thinks of Belichick and Brady and Foxboro.

That is a remarkable, shocking number. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, you kind of would like for people to pump the brakes on Patrick Mahomes. A little, kind of. We can't.

We can't. The hype train is rolling. He is now the favorite runaway favorite to win the MVP according to Bet Online. Two to one odds. Jared Goff has six to one odds. Brady has six best odds. Eight to one. Todd Gurley, Aaron, Aaron Rogers, and Drew Breeze are also at the top of the list.

I mean, who else would you? say at this point in the season. It's like Heisman. It's so early. I don't know. But I mean, Mahomes has got a bunch of toys. And if you have a bunch of toys and you're a quarterback, he's got golf and Mahomes. And if Lavin and Bell came back for the Steelers, Big Ben, Gough and Mahom have the best toys.

They have the most fun stuff to play with. Yeah, but Ben's, Ben isn't in the MVP conversation. Not, not right now. But again, if Lavian Bell came back in three weeks and all of a sudden, Ben has the last great two months. Mahomes does have 14 touchdown passes and no interceptions. Yeah. The best part about him to me is he doesn't, with all that arm strength,

Chris Carter, Hall of Fame wide receiver, told me something. He goes, if you have a gift, it's almost biblical. If you have a great singing voice, you're going to sing in the shower. You're going to sing in the car. You're going to want to sing. It's like if you have an arm like Patrick Mahomes, you're going to want to throw that puppy, and you're going to try to jam it into little windows.

Far have had a lot of picks. Terry Bradshaw, guys with big arms, Elway through a lot of picks, Joe Namath. The most impressive thing about Mahomes, he has this canon and he's been really disciplined using it, which is generally historically not the case. Big arm guys, you think would throw fewer picks because they'd squeeze the ball.

No, they throw significantly more picks. So the Jimmy Butler trade saga continues. According to Mark Stein, the heat and timber wolves were making significant progress this week on a deal. But deal changes proposed by Minnesota led to breakdown in talks. according to Woj, Minnesota has asked for Josh Richardson, BAM, and a protected 2019 first round draft pick, and obviously the heat did not want to give up either of those two pieces.

Now, say that again. First of all, so Miami wants to make the deal, the T-Wolves are reluctant. That's a weird situation because Tibbs doesn't want to get rid of him, but the owner of the T-Wolves does. So what's the deal again? Josh Richardson, BAM, and a protected 2019. BAM? Bam.

Yeah. You mean the draft pick? Yes. No, the 2019 first round draft pick, a protected first round draft pick. Okay. And Bam. What do you mean Bam? Bam. Who's Bam? Bam at a bio.

We love Bam in Miami. They're not getting rid of Bam. And Josh Richardson is in assault. And they're certainly not giving a protected first round draftick. I'm not making that trade. If I'm Minnesota, I'm not making that deal. Hell, if I'm the Lakers. Minnesota, that's a great deal for Minnesota.

It's a terrible deal for the heat. That's way too much for Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler is going to give you 23 a game. And I get Bam. Bam is very good. Bam is, bam is, I didn't even know who Bam was. Okay, well, then just trust me. They're not giving Bam, Josh Richardson, and a protected 2019 first-round draft pick for Jimmy Butler.

Bam-Bam, Bama, Bama. I would take Alabama. I'm not giving up Jimmy Butler for Bam and a draft pick. There's no way. And Josh Richardson. No way. No, you're not doing that. In the NBA, if I, I get, you get the star and I get Bam?

That's too much for heat, for the heat to give up. It's not reasonable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the other thing, it's going to be a lousy first-round pick because Miami's going to be good. So it would be like the 23rd pick. That's a terrible pick. There's no... I don't think that he should do that deal.

You're making the deal because of BAM. No, not just BAM. Bam, Josh Richardson, and the first-round pick. So cruddy first-round pick, a guy I didn't know five minutes ago and Josh Richardson for Jimmy Butler. I don't know. I'm just not doing it. Obviously, he aren't doing it either, so... If I...

Bam, Bam, by the way, John just checked out. Bam, Bam, didn't have a lot of Bam Bam. He averaged six points last year. I get bum before I get bam. No. That's not much bam. It's not happening. The heat aren't going to do it.

All right, so we talked about this yesterday. Your take on wearing the hat backwards. Yeah. Oh, I hate it. Yes, we know. Oh, I hate it. It has a lot of implications on your personality. I don't like a hat on backwards guy.

I mean, honestly, do we have a hat on set? Does anybody have a hat? I want to wear a hat on backwards to show you. I don't like hat on backwards, guy. Just bother it. I just don't like it. It looks irresponsible. Do you wear hats?

Occasionally, very rarely. Maybe once a month I'll wear a hat. In fact, I'm wearing one Saturday because I wear it in the summer because I don't want to get sunburn if I'm like hiking or something. And then this weekend I'm going to an event. I'll be outside, so I'll wear a hat. What kind of hat? It'd just be whatever, like a military hat, a cool,

Like the USA, the Fox Sports Soccer. I always wear like, it's not a popular hat. But like a baseball cap. Like a baseball cap. And he's never wear it backwards. No way. Never. Never wear a hat backwards.

All right. Well, Cam Newton has lots of crazy hats. And you've said before he might care a little bit more about fashion than you'd like. He has some crazy looks. And since you don't like the hat on backwards, what do you think of this look? That is a hat with no brim. He cut the brim off. So it's just like literally...

You got to give you a couple minutes on that. Let me see. Hold on. So he cut the brim off. Yes. I don't know what to make of that. I don't even... And it almost like his hair looks like the brim. It's kind of cool.

Well, you really can't be critical of it because there's no brim. And technically he's wearing it... I don't know. The right way. The bottom line is, I got to be honest with you. I think that's the new thing. You think that's the look? Yeah, I think I like it.

I get to see his face. It's not covering his face. I mean, yeah, I think it's one of those things. It's like certain dresses look good on supermodels. That looks good on CAM. You don't think you can't even get you pulled that off? Well, I mean, Cam looks like a model. So, of course, it looks good on CAM.

Can we please get an edit of Colin with just a cap with no room? Can somebody give me a cap and I'll show you how bad hat on backwards looks? It looks ridiculous. We're going to find a hat somewhere in this building, and next break you're going to come in with it on backwards. Okay. Is that it? Yes, Joy Taylor with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurdline News. Borrow up to 40 grand to pay off your credit card debt. Lendingclub.com slash sports. Lending club.com slash sports. I got into a very spirited debate with Nick Wright was on our show earlier today. Nick's from Kansas City.

And I'm like, good Lord, slow down on Patrick Mahomes. He hasn't even played in a hail storm yet. And Kansas City's got some of the worst NFL weather. And then the NBA survey came out, and Russell Westbrook, nobody likes him, the GMs don't, and they love LeBron and don't love KD. So let's start just a couple of minutes with Nick Wright earlier today, very entertaining. I said to start, can we slow down a little on Patrick Mahomes of the Chiefs? Criticism about Patrick Mahomes that's valid right now.

He hasn't done it long enough, and that's only because they haven't played more games yet. Oh, defenses are going to catch up to him. Catch up to what? His perfectly timed high velocity pinpoint accurate throws. They're going to catch up to that. Like, people don't want to get ahead of themselves, but sometimes in an attempt not to get ahead of yourself, you trip going backwards over yourself. Let's be honest about what we're seeing. This kid's a star. He's a superstar. The way he plays is transferable across weather, across city, across scheme, across system. Does that mean the Chiefs are going to win the Super Bowl? Of course not. I didn't only work in Kansas City.

I'm from Kansas City. I've seen 13 and 3 turn into a home playoff loss four times in my lifetime. They've only won one playoff game since Joe Montana was there. They will find a way to break Kansas City's heart once again, I'm sure. But they have a franchise quarterback. He's a superstar. And the idea that he's going to be given too much too soon because Bill Polian called him Dan Marino. So that's an epic cowherd take, but it's insanity.

Okay. Well, you know, I have a right to be insane. All right, I want to shift to this. Every year at this time, there's the NBA GM survey. And as I said earlier, most people don't like conflict in life. They don't. They don't like to argue with people. You and I are considered highly outspoken,

but people come up to us on the street or at a restaurant or a bar or at a car wash, and they say nice things to us because people don't want to be confrontational. So when the NBA GM survey comes out, you can be honest, because you're anonymous. It's like social media. You can hide behind it. Well, well, what do you know? Everybody says they love Durant,

but LeBron won eight categories. And Durant won one. LeBron got second place and power forward. He doesn't even play the position. And it was like, this is the real gap between LeBron and KD. And when you ask GMs anonymously, they acknowledge it ain't close. I looked at this and laughed.

I thought you were the first person I thought of with this. What was your reaction? Yeah, I mean, this is the most honest distillation of who LeBron James is. Who's the best leader in the league? According to the guys putting together teams, LeBron. Who's the best passer in the league? Oh, it's LeBron. Who is the best small forward?

LeBron. Who's the second best power forward? Oh, the same guy. LeBron. Who would I want to start my team with? He finished fourth in year 16. Which is insanity. The league decided I would rather have LeBron than anyone taken in the last five drafts,

even though I would get them for an extra decade. Like, the gap between him and the second best player is as big as the gap has ever been. And people act like that's an indictment on Durant. It is not. Durant is going to finish his career as one of the 15 greatest basketball players ever. Kevin Duran is going to finish his career as one of the five best pure scorers ever. Unfortunately for him, there is still, aside from range shooting, not a single thing in the world on the basketball court, he does better than LeBron. We know LeBron's a better pass, and we know LeBron's a more versatile defender.

We know LeBron's a better rebounder, better leader, more of a clutch player according to any advanced metric or just raw number of playoff game winners. and we also know that actually when you need a bucket, LeBron's the best guy in the league to get it. Now, in this survey, it said take the final shot. Durant's a better shooter, but when it comes to getting a final bucket, we know who the best in the world is, and the guys putting together teams know who the best in the world.

By the way, you have to acknowledge this. Twitter's not real life. Chris Paul is one of my favorite players in the NBA, and he's not likable, and he's tough, and he's tough on teammates. but 27% of GMs, and everybody hates him, right, said almost a third of the GMs are like, yeah, Chris Paul's the best leader. Westbrook, who everybody loves on social media, did not get a vote for best leader. What would you like to say for yourself?

Okay, I heard you say this earlier, and you were talking about, oh, he's the fastest with the ball. Who does that matter to? Oh, I don't know. the guy's guarding him, it would seem to matter to. I've never heard the take that, you know what's overrated in sports? Speed. I want slow guys with the ball. That's how I win games.

Listen, I thought we had, you and I, the audience doesn't know this. I flew out to your palatial estate in Manhattan Beach. I brought your friends. We had a Russell Westbrook intervention. We were considering an Aaron Rogers intervention. And I said, no, this is the more crucial cause. I thought we'd pulled you away from this one. We evidently have not. Listen, Russ is not a perfect basketball player.

Paul George wants to play with them. They're going to be one of the five best teams in the West this year. And my gosh, Colin, at the end of the day, look at these highlights. He's fun to watch. Your life will be markedly better if you just embrace Russell Westbrook. Instead, we're pulling up who the best passer is. I mean, the best leader. It's just unfair. And really, it's unfortunate. fortunate. Nick Wright. Listen, I, you know, I was just about to put my arms around Westbrook, and then this survey came out, and it validated a lot of what I'd said, didn't it?

Don't you also say that there's really only like three teams in the NBA that can win a championship? Yeah, Celtic. So that means all the rest of the teams in the NBA are run by these GMs that don't have Westbrook. I will say this. The one thing the NBA does really well, they create and market and promote. stars. Rockies are playing the Brewers. And by the way, there's three of the best players in baseball in the last 10 years

in that series, and I wish they would be more marketed. It's like I'll say this about the NBA when that survey came out. But you got to play the game the right way, call it. You gotta play the game the right way. Have fun. The one thing, Nick Wright said, the NBA is fun. They're joyful. They put their arms around new stuff. They're fun. And that's

one thing I love about the NBA. Coming up next, best for last. I saw something really shocking. last night, and it's still allowed in sports. That's next. That's the new lineup on Fox. By the way, I'm going to put a hat on like Cam Newton here in a couple minutes. I'm going to put a hat on without a brim.

I contend it looks good on Cam Newton because stuff looks good on Cam Newton. You know how certain people can wear stuff and they have the right body and the right look and the right style, and it just looks good. Cam Newton looks good in outfits. I would be embarrassingly goofy looks. And he can pull it off. I truly can't wait for this. I mean, there's certain moments.

Like, I mean, sometimes you'll see stuff like at fashion shows with women who are like six feet one. Oh, of course. I'm five foot two. This is my life. I have to evaluate each outfit with about seven inches off of whatever the model has on. So last night I saw something so shocking. I can't believe it's allowed in sports. And I thought, let's go to best for last.

After almost three hours, Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet. Quit holding out on us, cowherd. It's the best for last. So these are the five or six things, the head scratchers that are still allowed in sports. And it is remarkable to me because leagues are changing rules every year in sports to make them safer, to make them better. So last night a hockey fight, Lars Eller of the Capitol celebrates a goal. Caps go up 7-0 on the Bruins. Brad Marshan of Boston demonstrates his displeasure by repeatedly punching him in the skull.

And I'm not joking here. Marshan landed more punches than both fighters in the Mayweather-Pakio fight combined. And what's goofy in hockey is the guy losing the fight who's just trying to protect himself, he got a five-minute penalty too. Why we allow this all, it doesn't happen in the playoffs. In the playoffs, you don't see it. He is really losing that fight. Oh, and the guy losing the fight, he gets a five-minute penalty too.

Here's the other thing. Football games played on baseball field. The Raiders are playing on a baseball. football field. So the good news is, um, listen, they may be in last place, but they do lead the NFL in triples. This past week, Raiders going for a field goal with a rookie snapper, like a rookie punter holding on a baseball field. How about this one? Golfers get disqualified for signing the wrong score. Can you imagine, think about this for a second, that Tiger Woods wins a major, and then walked into a trailer after the event,

signed an incorrect scorecard, and got disqualified. Now, think about this in golf. Computers can now track every aspect of a golf shot. Distance to exit velocity, but we force golfers to keep score with

a paper and pencil, and we will take the win a major away from you if your pen doesn't have an eraser. But it's such a beautiful sport, Colin. You have to stick with the traditions. Oh, God. How about throwing a baseball at a batterer's head? Anywhere in the U.S., if you took a solid object and deliberately launched it at somebody else's head,

you would get three to five years minimum jail time. On a baseball field, a very brief suspension, and a pat on the back from your manager. The lack of punitive punishment for this is shocking. Here's another baseball, one not that we're picking on it, 162 Major League Baseball season decided by a one-game playoff. Now think about that for a second. Think about that. Can you imagine getting in your car today and driving 1,800 miles to see a friend?

Having lunch, not even stay in the night or the weekend, and driving back home. That's baseball. 162 game season. And you play one playoff game? Baseball is a game of attrition. It's a game of my bullpen over a series is better than your bullpen. That's why you don't fly to Cincinnati and play the Reds once you play them three or four times. And finally, my biggest head scratcher is dumping Gatorade on a winning coach.

Congratulations. It's November, December, January. You just won the Super Bowl. Now here's pneumonia. I will never get that. Oh, that video we're showing if you can't see it on radio. It's hilarious. God.

It's such a fail. Okay, so Cam Newton came out. I don't like, I don't wear hats backwards. I think they just look juvenile. So, Cam Newton did something today that, and this is just the way it works, women could say this. You said you're 5-2, and most models are like 5-11, 6 feet tall. So the clothes drape on them a certain way, right? And that's why most supermodels, it's mostly about, you know, height and can stuff drape.

Same with guys, by the way. Most male models are tall and thin. They're not thick and muscular guys. But I said that Cam Newton's a guy that just, I mean, he just looks better in stuff than most guys do. Now, this is actually fairly ridiculous. So Cam is wearing a baseball hat. He cut off the brim. But let's be honest about this.

It looks okay. It kind of looks cool. Now, so I'm going to try this. You like this look. No, I think it looks great. I think it actually is very fashionable on him. So our staff took a baseball cap and they cut the brim on. See how dumb this looks on me.

Let's see. This is going to look so stupid on me. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. That doesn't even look. I don't know. Okay, hold on. There we go. Now, that's the dumbest thing you've ever seen your life. Is that the dumbest thing you've ever seen in your life? Now look at how good Cam looks. I mean, what do I look like? I should be in juvenile. Actually, you look like when you first put it on, it was very reminiscent of like the Mickey ears at...

Exactly, because I got big ears. At Disneyland? Look at this. This will end up on a blog somewhere. And Cam Newt looks great. It's a look. I do. I look like a mouse-keteer. Yeah. That's exactly what I look like. I look like a mouse-ceteer. And Cam looks great.

I mean, it could be the colors of the hat. But yeah, I don't know if that's the look for you. This hat, that's the emblem for a big three team. Is it the Cyclopses or something? I forget what it is. I get the set. I forget which one that is. That's trilogy. Trilogy. My bad. Trilogy.

So we have tonight, Greg CoSelt by, Nick Wright, DeAngelo Hall, all sorts of good stuff. We have tonight New England and the Colts. I really do think Tom Brady's going to throw for probably his 500th career touchdown pass. And the one thing I like about him, it's really funny, is that Brady has been, we don't do this enough. We don't reward people for honesty. What we do is we go to Twitter and we hate people who don't tell us what we want to hear. And the one thing I always liked about Brady, he's not selling me Oreos, he's not selling me mid-sized sedans, he's not selling me stuff he doesn't use. He wears Ugs, he's got a supermodel wife, he shows you a video in his documentary about living on kale smoothies and his workout regimen.

Now, it's not my life, but it's his life and it's a real life. And it's like, nobody's being honest with us. I mean, you ever see politicians like Hillary Clinton would put on a baseball cap for the Cubs or the White Sox, John Kerry, you're, you know, you'll see people. politicians do this all the time. Oh, I love sports. I love the local team. And you're like, no, you don't. You're trying to get votes from me. You're just a BSer. You don't love sports, John Kerry.

You don't, you don't, I mean, you don't love sports. You know, but you want my vote. And it's like Hillary would do that all the time. It was like, Bill Clinton did like Arkansas Razorback basketball. He was a fan of college basketball. And I do think Barack Obama like hoops. Ronald Reagan

like baseball. Like, there are, Gerald Ford was a football guy. You know, there are, we have have presidents who are, you know, have a sport. Gerald Ford actually played at Michigan. Yeah, George Bush owned the Rangers. He was a baseball guy. But, uh, I don't know.

I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm not, he doesn't sell products. Um, he just doesn't. He's offensive to what he is. Here's Peyton's commercials. Cut that meat. Sandwich. Cut that meat. Chicken bar. You taste so good.

I don't know. You don't think he eats chicken parm sandwiches? I'm sure he has. I don't want to bang on Peyton Manning. He's a legend. He deserves our respect. But it's just I always feel like you're trying to sell me stuff. Like, you know, I always appreciate this about like Kobe Bryant.

Like Kobe wasn't for everybody. But Kobe was pretty authentic. He would do fashion shoots and he wanted to win an Oscar. You know, Kobe was always kind of authentic to what Kobe was. Shaq is doing, I'm not even going to mention the insurance company. Shack's doing a insurance company, which is an insurance company for people that have been in seven head-on collisions in October. I mean, it's like Shaq's doing stuff that's just... I think Shaq uses Icy Hot.

I think he may use icy hot. He doesn't use that insurance company he said he uses. That's like for people who get in collisions regularly. Like that's the lowest end insurance. But I appreciate Brady. He's like, listen, man, I wearugs. And I eat kale shakes. And I sleep on a...

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