The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Tom Brady, Patriots, Buccaneers, and Cam Newton

Episode Date: March 18, 2020

Colin discusses Tom Brady's choice to sign with the Buccaneers, the Patriots moving forward, the latest NFL trades and rumors, and why nobody seems to be interested in Cam Newton. Guests include Nick Wright, Jay Glazer, Rich Ohrnberger, Chris Simms, and Todd Fuhrman. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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heard. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Ah, here we go. It is a Wednesday. We are live in Los Angeles, and this is The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, we are on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1, XM Serious Channel 83 today. Last couple of days, I'm just doing my radio show. I walk around town. People are saying, where are you? I turn on TV and I said, well, I'll be on TV tomorrow. That being today.

It is great to have you in. It is a pleasure to have you in. Yesterday, 30 minutes into our show, I got a text that Tom Brady was going to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Not a place I ever saw as a frontrunner. I went with it. It was a celebrity

slash wealthy source of the few friends I have who are up in that stratosphere. This was one of them. He's a friend. He called and he said, Brady's going to the Buccaneers. I said, really? And he said, yeah, it came down to the dolphins. It came down to the Chargers and it came down to Tampa Bay. So I texted him. John Goulet created this music bed. So when I have to go to my phone during the show, I can at least, the audience knows it's a signal that I am getting, yeah, it's this. That means I'm on my phone getting a text. So this happens.

yesterday 30 minutes into the show and I said I've never used a not a football source to break a massive football story but I you know I went with it and we were right about six hours ahead of everybody else doesn't really matter in the end but that's what happened yesterday if you did not listen to our show let me say this I worked in Tampa for two years I loved covering the team Tampa Tampa Bay, there's a lot of five or six, seven irrelevant franchises in the NFL on a yearly basis. Tampa Bay should not be. Cleveland ownership, in and out of coaches, in and out of quarterbacks, in and out of GMs.

Good God, since Baker Mayfield arrived. Three coaches, interim coaches, numerous GMs. There's a reason they're bad. They're dysfunctional in ownership. Washington Redskins. There's a reason they're dysfunctional. The owner is a meddler. Then there's organizations like Cincinnati.

They're cheap. They just don't have a lot of money. Then there's organizations like Jacksonville. They're just apathy. They're now playing games regularly in London, more than one this year. Tampa shouldn't be this bad. They've had great coaches. John Gruden, Sam Weish, Tony Dungey, Bruce Ariens.

They've had Hall of Fame players. They've had, they won a Super Bowl. They've got passionate fans. Stadium can be packed. They have great facilities. They should not be bundled up in this Cleveland, this kind of malaise of apathy and weak ownership. Their owners are not poor. I know the Glazer family.

I love the kids. Didn't know the dad particularly well. But when I worked there for two years, the front office, was smart. The players were good. The coaching was excellent. This was not Cleveland. This was not Washington. This is not Detroit. It's not cheap Cincinnati. What has held them back? Quarterback. Since 1976, since Tampa's been a franchise, their passer rating last in the NFL, 73. completion percentage. This is hard to get your arms around.

Last, 56%. Their quarterbacks have thrown 830 touchdowns and 852 picks. This is, you know how all franchises say, we are just a quarterback away. Tampa is? They're last in everything in quarterback. They've got a wealthy owner, passionate fans.

smart people in the front office. They've had great coaches. They've won a Super Bowl. They've had great players. When I was a kid growing up, we didn't have a pro football team in Seattle. Then we got one in 1976, 77 season. Seattle got one. Jim Zorn, Sherman Smith, Steve Largett.

It was an offensive team. Couldn't stop a nosebleed. Tampa was the opposite. Tampa had the Selman brothers. They were great defensively. They couldn't score. if you had just been able to combine the two. So I've been following Tampa forever.

They were the team that came in with my Seahawks. And then I went and worked with them and had a blast. It was well run. Smart people. But they never could get the quarterback right. I was looking this morning. That's why Brady's going to fix this thing. Their first quarterback was Steve Spurrier.

Way better coach than quarterback. Then they went to Randy Headberg. Boy, those were the days. Doug Williams was solid, not spectacular. Then they had a bunch of Steve DeBergs, Jack Thompson, Vinnie Testa Verde for a few years. Back to Steve DeBerg, Trent Dillfer, my buddy. I covered those teams.

Sean King, Brad Johnson, Brian Greasy, Chris Sims, Byron Leftwich, they had the Josh Freeman years, James Winston. They don't have one great quarterback ever. The Super Bowl they won with Brad Johnson. His nickname, perhaps mean-spirited, was Captain Jackson. back down. They're the only franchise. They're it. Every other franchise has had a guy. One. Steve Young played for about an hour there. That doesn't count. So last year is so classic Tampa. They were seven and nine. Six of their nine losses. Touchdown or less. In the game late. In those six losses, 12 turnovers. James Winston.

James Winston had 30 picks last year. In the last four years, Tom Brady's had 29. So James had more last year than Brady's had in almost half a decade. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are the one franchise that can say, you know what, we're a quarterback away. And they have been mostly for the last 30 years. And now they've got one. He's a leader. He's a winner.

He is accurate. doesn't make big mistakes. He's great at the line. They are the one franchise where I look at and go, good Lord, if they could just get a quarterback, they never have. You think Chicago, Miami have had their problems? You think Denver's had their problems post John Elway? They've had talented guys. They had Peyton Manning. Got Tebow even one there. Yo, Miami, post-Dan Marino. They've had some interesting players. Tannahill wasn't bad. Tannahill would arguably be as good anybody Tampa's ever had. He's up there with Doug Williams. Better than Josh Freeman. His career is better than Trent Dover. He's a better player than Brad Johnson. So Brady's going to work.

Are they going to win a ton of games? I don't know, but they got the weapons. Let me also say this. I work at Fox Sports. Best place I've ever worked. Most fun I've ever had. This is, by the way, a weird two, three-week stretch. That's going to probably be a weird summer. But I was thinking yesterday with Tom Brady. It was a good day for Fox. For years and years, CBS made a lot of money putting Tom Brady on those late games. Tom Brady is now a buccaneer. By the way, Tampa and Tom Brady next year face Aaron Rogers in Green Bay, Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City, the L.A. Rams and Drew Breeze twice. Those are all national TV games. Those are great watches. They'll be on Fox. Conversely, New England now, which CBS has leaned on, is an absolute snooze.

They have no weapons and Jared Stidham. And they just lost two of their best five defensive players. How good of the Patriots going to be? I said yesterday, I'm not so sure they haven't built up enough equity to tank. Do a golden state. They don't have a contingency plan. They don't. They just let go of two top defensive players.

Doesn't look like, from what I can tell, they've got anything planned. Why would they? Go five and 11, four and 12. Get rid of some players, free up cap space, rebuild and go get a quarterback next year. But Tom Brady will win this divorce. And it may be, at least in the press, an amicable divorce, but he's going to win it for the first two years. Because he is inheriting Bruce Ariens and Mike Evans and Chris Godwin and a great tight end, functional running backs. He's going to win this puppy.

His production is going to be outstanding. and New England's going to be a complete bore at quarterback, and they've got, I believe, this morning the worst weapons in the NFL, it is now a weapons league. So don't kid yourself on this. The Lakers were unwatchable the second Kobe retired. Cleveland twice. Fascinating to unwatchable twice. Golden State today. Unwatchable when the stars left.

San Francisco without Jimmy Garoppolo being healthy, brutal. He's healthy. can't take my eyes off him. Aaron Rogers, every time he rolls up on that collarbone and misses a game, you can't watch the Packers play. The Colts without Andrew Luck. So the consumer you control TV ratings.

Therefore, you, the consumer, control the networks. Tom Brady's going to be all over the networks for at least a year. Against Aaron Rogers, Drew Brees twice, L.A. Rams, Patrick Mahomes. CBS this morning is figuring out ways

not to put the Patriots on. So short term, Brady, for a year at least, is going to get a lot of love, a lot of touchdowns, a lot of attention. He'll be a topic on this show weekly. New England will not. Don't kid yourself. Fans are attracted to stars and stories. Brady is both. New England is neither.

The winner in this divorce for a year, perhaps amicable, kind of sort of, is Tom Brady. There's so many different ways to dissect this today. We've got a Cam Newton story. Michael Irvin saying, I know why DeAndre Hopkins left. One of the things that I think is really crazy is that when I worked in local news for years and years and years, this is the way it would work. In fact, I've seen this in media my entire life. is that let's say you boss and he's a yeller and he's a screamer and he's kind of crazy but he's brilliant and it works for a long time and then the company's like okay he's wearing us out we're firing

him the pendulum always swings too far the other way then you get sort of a quiet laconic chill to a fault boss that isn't engaged is that this is the way business works this pendulum swings back and forth and back and forth. It's the guy, you know, you're in a relationship with somebody that's quiet, the librarian. You know what? I want to spice it up. And the next relationship is wild and late nights and it wears you out. And there's a reason you were attracted to the librarian.

That I'm not sure there is anything more opposite than New England in the NFL than Tampa. And I'll just line it up for you. is a mid-life crisis by Tom Brady. It is a wild pendulum swing. And we'll be back after this. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the I-Hard Radio app. Last night, a blown call changed a game.

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We go to Las Vegas later in the show. We are packed today. You know what? What's interesting, Tom Brady is really, I think, Belichick and Brady uniquely and both formed a culture in New England that was several things. Very efficient, very cerebral, very detail-oriented.

I could make an argument that the Tampa Bay Buccaneer franchise, and this is not a shot at him, it's just their reality is the opposite of New England. New England has really zero weapons and won't spend for them. That is now the strength of Tampa, their weapons.

New England has sort of a no days-off culture. No days off. Work your fingers to the bone. Bruce Ariens, the coach of Tampa, cocktails early. Once bragged on HBO, I don't understand why coaches can't go home for dinner.

The exact opposite. New England is frugal, and cerebral and efficient. Tampa's talented, unbelievably inefficient, the last several years with James Winston. New England, in the last 20 years has been defined by the greatest quarterback ever.

Tampa Bay's never had one. One. New England cold weather. Tampa, September, October, you're playing in an outdoor sauna. Believe me, I've done live shots from that stadium. Boston's an academic hub. I'll say this nicely. Tampa is a strip club hub, and I'll leave it at that.

No shot intended. We just do the facts here. New England's got six Super Bowl banners. in an end zone, Tampa Bay has a pirate ship. These are the opposite. If this was not football, it would be a midlife crisis for Tom Brady. He's going to be productive. Is he going to win?

I don't know. He'll win more than last year. But winning in the NFL is details. Production is in details. Houston isn't very detail-oriented. They score a bunch of points. The Pittsburgh Steelers with Big Ben are not terribly efficient. They're not great with the details.

They score a bunch of points. Winning in the NFL is detail. Special teams, few penalties, don't turn it over, good coaching. New England does not have the most talent. Does anybody think over the last 10 years, they've been top two or three in overall talent? I do not. I do not. I thought that team they beat that Charger team two years ago.

They beat in the playoffs by 40. I thought the Chargers had more players. Sort of the Pro Bowl voters. Okay. So Tom Brady's going to be productive. but he is going to the opposite of what he has been in. He has been in a frugal, efficient, cerebral, buttoned down. Every paper picked up in the hallway franchise.

Tampa Bay is loose, not saying they're not smart, but it's loose and talented and inefficient, and they take big swings, and it's a different environment. It's not an academic hub like Boston is with 51 universities, where the Celtics compete against the Red Sox. They've always been ahead of the curve on analytics. Celtics have, the Red Sox have, the Patriots have, to different culture. I think Tom's going to like it.

You know, it's, again, you're dating somebody that's more fun. It goes to bed late, stays up. I think he'll like it. The question is, will he become frustrated with it? Will there be times when he's like, you know, we just lost 27, 26 because we had extra penalties and two of our guys couldn't remember a play? Remember this, too. The virus means no OTA, no camps.

no workouts. Tom lives for that. This is a, not only is it a weird pendulum swing, New England to Tampa, culturally, organizationally, but the virus is shutting down all the workouts. So you're going to have to do some of this on the fly. This will be the least prepared Tom Brady has ever been as a quarterback. And he thrives on details. You remember the documentary Tom versus time. you remember that. Tom would like smirk when he said, God, I could just sit and watch this all day as he's drinking a lean smoothie.

As he's in, you know, pajamas he developed to sleep longer. As he's, you know, made of kale, as he's eating vegetable ice cream. He's all about the details. Tampa's not been. And they're not going to massively change overnight. I just read something this morning. Tampa still can't get over the fact. Tom's there. Like people in Tampa are like, what? Brady's going to wear a pewter. He's going to wear orange. It's like, yeah.

It is a big swing. It is a big swing. He'll be productive. That I don't doubt. Tom will be productive. Will he win a bunch of games? You're going against Sean Peyton. You know, you got Drew Breeze twice a year,

Matt Ryan twice a year. I think the Falcons are well run. Teddy Bridgewater, by the way. is now in division with Carolina. Unlike Cam, he doesn't make mistakes. So you're going to beat teams. They're not going to beat themselves. Matt Ryan didn't beat himself.

Sean Payton and Breeze don't beat themselves. Teddy Bridgewater doesn't beat himself. Tampa historically beats itself. Has games won? Screws up. Weather can be unpredictable. We've had so much rain in Los Angeles and getting more as of, I think, Sunday or Monday.

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showed some promise early, but eventually the team lost seven of their final nine games. He got hurt. Yeah. Rivers is coming off a rough year in Los Angeles. He threw 23 touchdowns to go along with 20 interceptions. The Chargers went 5 and 11. The Colts have a, really, really good roster, top to bottom.

A little low on outside weapons, but good O-line. They upgraded their pass rush with the Forrest Buckner. They've done everything right. Are they a playoff team with Philip Rivers? No. I think they're slightly better. He's got so many miles. I was talking to Tom Telesco, the GM of the Chargers, last night.

Named Rob. Yeah, named off. And I said to Tom, I said, you know, you're going to miss. Philip can beat you. And he should be familiar with their office. offensive system. Frank Reich was, he has a connection to Frank Reich, so it shouldn't be a learning curve thing, but it's just how much does he have left in the tank? After 20 interceptions, I don't know. Yeah. According to CBS sports, the bears have been in contact with the Panthers about

a trade for quarterback Cam Newton. The expectation is the Panthers will probably release Cam, seeing as they already signed his replacement and said goodbye to him on social media. Yeah. However, the Bears might not want to take their chances on signing him as a free agent and might prefer to just make a, you know, give up a late draft pick in order to get him. Do you like the fit of Cam with the bear? Well, in a weird way, it's where he fits. Cold Weather City, you're going to play in Green Bayne in Chicago. He's got a big arm.

Yeah. Big arm. Also, Trubisky's strength is athleticism. So you've got some of that stuff where you've got your quarterback rolling out. Cam can do that very well. Also, the right place. You know, he's a big personality. You know, this is the home of Oprah.

This is Michael Jordan territory. There's also a toughness thing, right? He's the tough. He gets hurt, but he plays through a lot of smaller injuries. Never been a fan of Cam Newton, but every player in that organization has always told me he has a huge, a very high pain tolerance. That part about Cam is indisputable. There's also, he, you know, he's recovering from a foot injury and a shoulder injury. With Trubisky there, you would, if he needed another few weeks to get healthier or, you know, you wouldn't have to start him day one necessarily, right? You could say we're having a competition.

If he needed more time to heal, you could give that to him. He doesn't have to start. It makes sense to me. It fits. The arm, the offense, Cam and Chicago feels to me, for the record, wouldn't it be kind of fun?

I think so. It's kind of fun. I kind of like to see Cam Newton in Chicago. So if that makes sense to you, this one does not make sense to me. Former Cowboys tight end, Jason Whitten is signing with the Raiders. Doesn't feel right.

He signed a one year, he can make up to $4.75 million. You knew he was not. going to be a cowboy. They gave a big deal the cowboys did to their other tight end, Blake Jarwin, four-year-old deal, $20-something million. So Witten leaving was predictable. You know what this is? I'll tell you what it is. Okay, tell me what it is. It's culture. They're paying $4 million for culture. Witten's a great guy. He's a leader as they're rebuilding. They've got a ton of young players on offense. I mean, look at the Raiders' offense. A bunch of

kids. Got a couple veterans on the O-line. It's kids. You're spending three or four million bucks. Mayock likes him. Everybody likes Witton. He's a great. grown up. He'll come in. This is very Bill Parcells. Parcells would bring in a backup tight end. When he took over the dolphins, he brought in like, you know, the guys that are great for the locker room, the wait room, Witten is a

great guy to be in the offensive meeting rooms all week. Smart. An adult. He's a mentor. So I actually like the move. I get it. Listen, it's another state with no state tax. It's Vegas. It's Gruden. And you don't need him. You don't need Jason Witten to be

a 75 catch guy. If he's a 45 catch guy with a touchdown into big win. Also, the Raiders might be dead set on just hiring every former broadcaster they can into the organization. That's a good point. John Goulet. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News.

Nick writes, my buddy, first things first off this week. You can hear him XM Serious Radio. He's fantastic. I listen to him all the time and he is now joining me live. He's done radio, Kansas City and Houston. Like myself, radio is our first love. So let's just go. Let's just step it back a couple days. Tom Brady leaves New England.

What was your first 30 seconds in your mind, in your vast mind, what was your first take? My first take was I was surprised and good to talk to you, Colin. I'm glad you're doing okay. I was surprised that people were surprised. Listen, he asked for a contract extension two years ago, and they said, how about some incentives you won't reach, even though you just won league MVP? and we just went to our eighth Super Bowl. He took that.

And then he asked for a contract extension last year after they won their sixth Super Bowl, and he led a fourth quarter comeback on the road in the AFP championship game and then completed three third and tens in overtime to break my heart in Kansas City. And they said, how about a small raise, Tom? Because we don't know if we believe in you anymore. He knew he was going to have to sing for his supper this year. and he was off key all season long. And the idea that, well, they now want to bring him back

when they didn't want to bring him back when he was coming off Super Bowl's 8 and 9 and MVP number 3, I never bought it. And so I wasn't surprised. I was shocked when I was watching you yesterday to hear that he's going to Tampa and not California. But you, I still don't totally get it. Why it's the bucks over the chargers.

aside for maybe he smartly doesn't want to face Patrick Mahomes twice the year because who would. But I wasn't surprised he left New England college. By the way, I said this. You know, if a guy gets in a midlife crisis at 45 years old, you know, he buys the convertible sports car and he wears flashy or close. This has a midlife crisis to it. Tom is going from this rigid, academic, incredibly efficient culture, very frugal. Tampa's had flashy players. It's not efficient.

it's not the same city, the same vibe. You could argue it's the opposite, the pirate ship in the end zone. It's loose, it's fun. Bruce Ariens is like, cocktails at five, let's go home. There's kind of a midlife crisis feel to it that Tom has kept saying, I want to have fun. Maybe he went to a place that historically has too much fun. Do you think he fits it all football-wise?

Well, I think he will be a leveler in that regard. I think Bruce Arnian is an excellent offense of mine. and they obviously have tremendous weapons. Everyone's talking about Godwin and Mike Evans. I don't know if you've talked about this yet today. I apologize. I didn't see the very start of the show. I'm wondering if he brings Antonio Brown with him.

If he does, that is an absolutely potent top of the league trio of receivers. So I just don't know if the bucks got better. They got very different. I think last year, James was like the seven-story. or 18th best quarterback, and I think Brady was the 17th or 18th best quarterback, but for drastically different reasons. James was where he was because he's awful and amazing. Brady was where he was because he was last year was consistently average. So they got different. I don't know how much better they got, but I do think the NFC South is the most wide open division in football.

I don't expect Carolina to be super competitive. Who the hell knows about Atlanta? And Drew Bree, is the second oldest quarterback we've ever seen at this point. So it's really interesting in that regard. You know, let me just throw this at you. You know, I always have a rule that smart people don't get conveniently dumb. When the Patriots put their hands in the air for the flight gate, it's like, stop. Okay, you're too smart to just not know what's going on with the footballs. Belichick has a plan, yet they have no concession for Brady.

They let two top defensive players go. They have no weapons in a weapon league. Do you think it's crazy because he's built up so much equity like Steve Kerr, you know, like, let's be honest, beers where you can tank for a year. And everybody's like, yeah, it's new arena. We get it. I mean, post-Michael Jordan, the bull sold out for several years and were unwatchable. Is it possible the plan for Belichick is, listen, we're going to get draft picks,

we're going to get really young, we're letting expensive old guys go, we're going to be bad for a year. And guess what? We'll be a top seven to eight pick next year. with Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, and quarterbacks. Is that crazy to you? Their plan is actually not being great and rebooting it quarterback. With respect, yeah, that's crazy to me.

I think that they believe, I think, first of all, whether it would be fair or not, if the Patriots are terrible next year, even if it were to be part of a plan, people are going to hammer Belichick, and I don't think he wants to sign up for that, that where all of a sudden there's a colonel to, well, here is his record in Cleveland before Brady, here is his record in New England before Brady, and now look at him without Brady. So I don't think that's the plan. And I think Belichick looks at the AFC East and says, we still might end up with the best quarterback in this division. Like who is Miami's quarterback?

I know you love Darnold, but I don't know if Belichick sold on him after he made him see ghosts. And Josh Allen's a trick-or-tree quarterback. So, no, I don't think, now, are they going to go all out, you know, on lot of 2007, try to add weapons on weapons? No, but I think he believes they can, I think he says we won 12 games last year with average quarterback play. Why can't we win 12 games again this year with average quarterback play? So I don't think that's the point. Nick Wright, joining us first things first, which is off this week, but he's doing tons of radio and social media stuff. A couple of, you broadcast in Houston, you are not a fan of Bill O'Brien, but he does keep winning the division.

In this league, you can screw up a lot, but if you get the right quarterback, you win. Indianapolis does everything right, doesn't have the right quarterback, not winning as much. Could I make the argument with D'Andre Hopkins? If that had just gotten a second and a second, not a second and a fourth, you'll look up this morning and wide receivers do not lead. teams to Super Bowls. They're not going to beat Kansas City because they're not going to outscore them. They can't stop them. And he's going to have to pay a left tackle. He's got to play Deshawn Watson. You're not going to beat Kansas City in a shootout with Andy Reed and Patrick Mahomes. Those days are done. You're going to beat them the way San Francisco almost did with a lot of draft picks up front,

pass rush, cross your fingers, and that DeAndre Hopkins wanted to restructure his deal anyway, and they wanted him out. And that Houston's probably going to in the division again next year and we're overstating that bad trade. Again, I'm going to have to disagree with you in this regard. I don't think there, aside some star quarterback, I don't think you can hear a player was traded and say, well, that's terrible until you hear the compensation. Like, Khalil Max traded, oh, my God. And it's like, well, they got two first round picks and this.

And it's like, okay, I kind of understand it's a little bit more. It is not inherently wrong to trade D'Andre Hopkins. It is inherently wrong to clearly not shop the deal. In a world where Stefan Digg goes for a one, D'Andre Hopkins going for a two and a running back whose contract is about $10 million under water is absolutely abysmal. And this is where Bill O'Brien, the head coach and Bill O'Brien to GM have a lot in common. In that playoff game against Kansas City,

It wasn't in a vacuum not going for the fourth and one that was awful, and it wasn't the fake punt that was awful. It was those two things happening in the same game within five minutes of each other. There is no consistency and decision flow. He said to the world when he traded two ones and a two for the eighth best tackle in football Laramie Suntles, he literally said, I think draftics and unproven young players are overvalued. and established veterans are undervalued. You can't say that seven months ago and then trade away a superstar for a second

round pick. And if you are going to straight away a superstar, Amari Cooper got a one, O'Dell Beckham got a a one of three and a five, Stefan Diggs got a one. Brandon Cooks went for a one twice. Caldi Andre Hopkins goes for a two. It just means to me he took the first deal available to him. and that is why you can't be the head coach and the GM. It's too big of jobs, not equipped for it.

So I understand what you're saying, and if he had gotten a better return, I could justify it. The return is what kills it. Yeah, I think your point, or initially, I'm not against the idea of bailing on a receiver when I've got pretty good weapons into Sean Watson. It is the compensation. If you said two-toes, I'd go, all right, just a two and a four. You don't even really get a four because you had to give up a four. just getting a second round pick.

Feels like you walked into a grocery store and you just grabbed the first thing you saw and left. You didn't price shop at all. Right. If you've got a sports car and realize you don't need it, it makes sense to sell it. But if there's someone that if you call him and ask them would give you $80,000 for it and you sell it for $30,

you made a terrible, terrible deal even if you needed to sell the car. And so that's what he did this. Well, I don't own one. Oh, yeah, right. No, I am very family truckster all the way for me. I thought you had one of those fancy Mercedes, Colin. I feel like they probably just gave you one. Being one of the title sponsors, I feel like you don't even know what cars you have at this point.

Of course I drive that. Nick Wright, buddy, I love talking to you. You too. I hope everyone's doing well. Thanks for having me on, Colin. Talk to you soon. You bet. Cam Newton's out of Carolina.

Everybody says, Colin, you don't like him. To that I would say, either does. Carolina, they're about to cut him if they can't trade him. My thoughts on Cam Newton's career in Carolina coming to a close and the people who still cling to Cam Newton. Strangest fans in America. Jay Glazer, top of the hour, we're going to have another big deal today. We are going to have another big deal.

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So Carolina is basically cutting the cord with Cam Newton. I've never been a huge fan of Cam. I am a big fan of Teddy Bridgewater. Bridgewater is now going to sign a contract three years, incredibly reasonable money. Cam Newton fans are interesting. Mind me of people who are into politics, really embedded into politics. You can give them facts and they just don't care. People get so embedded, liberal, conservative.

It doesn't matter what you tell them. They don't want to hear it. They want affirmation. They don't really want information. Cam fans, more than any fan base in the country, want this. Cam's average. Cam is a career 59% completion percentage. That's below average.

Passer ratings 86. Average. He's an average player. who had one great year. That's it. Talented? Yeah, big, yeah, strong, yeah, handsome, yeah. Model, yeah.

Stylish, yeah. Good? Not really. Not really. I hate to break it to you. Well, he didn't have enough support. Stop. Ron Rivera was out of work for as long as the phone call took for Washington to pay him millions.

Great coach. Well, I'll just say, good coach. Got to a Super Bowl. offensive lines Cam had multiple pro bowlers including Trey Turner who just got traded to the Chargers defense

mostly top 10 with Ron Rivera running backs he had three different good ones DeAngelo Williams Jonathan Stewart Christian McCaffrey wide receiver Steve Smith Hall of Famer tied in Greg Olson

I don't want to hear he didn't have help by the way this offense with Teddy Bridgewater is going to score a ton of points he wasn't efficient that's a cam you since his MVP year. He's a 500 quarterback with 65 TDs and 44 picks. Well, he runs around. That used to be unique. Now he's not even the best at that. He's average. He's an average quarterback who had a great year. You can find kickers. You can find receivers. You can find running backs who have a great year. But I don't want to hear that he didn't have support.

How many Hall of Fame running backs and wide receivers has Aaron Rogers had? Name the great defense as Aaron Rogers has had. Name the great defense as Aaron Rogers has had. that Aaron Rogers has had less help defensively than Cam, and I would say less running back help than Cam. Well, Mike McCarthy, you sure he's better than Ron Rivera? All my sources say coin flip, a lot of them like Ron Rivera more than Mike McCarthy. McCarthy's had better quarterbacks. So Cam's never had back-to-back winning seasons,

and I've always felt that really defines him, is that Cam is inconsistent, Cam is distracted, Cam has a lot of interests. And it's not that he, I've said this, talent, it's indisputable. But to be great year after year after year, it doesn't matter if you're a quarterback or a salesperson. You need to be emotionally consistent,

and Cam is not. Cam's all over the map. Cam's got a lot more issues behind the scenes than anybody wants to talk about. This is a career passer rating guy of 86. They're going to be better offensively with Teddy Bridgewater. We all get caught up an arm and size. It's not what this.

league's about. This league is overwhelmingly about. Don't make a ton of mistakes. Be good on third down. Be above average at the line of scrimmage. A lot of guys winning Super Bowls that don't have cannons for arms. Okay, Jared Goff got to a Super Bowl. It's not a world-class athlete. He lost a Tom Brady in that Super Bowl. Not a world-class athlete. Tom Brady lost to Nick Foles in a Super Bowl. Neither is a world-class athlete. Is Jimmy Garoplo a world-class athlete? I mean, last four or five Super Bowls, we've had one world-class athlete, Patrick Malhams, on a Super Bowl. And the other thing is Matt Rule is the new coach of Carolina. And Matt Rule is all about creating cultures.

That's his stamp, right? Like at Baylor. He's a culture creator. What he's telling you with Cam, I don't want him to be any part of my culture. I got no interest, Cam being part of my culture. I'm going to create a different culture, and I like Teddy Bridgewater as a fit. and, you know, people say, Colin, you don't like Cam. Carolina doesn't like him.

They signed another quarterback, and Cam's still on the team. Meaning, they may just cut him. I mean, they already said goodbye to him. They don't like him, and they know more about him than I do. Jay Glazer, hour two, next. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart radio app.

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conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker walks up to me, he goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Quarterback on office blue 42. Hey, rep, my mama want you to wave at her.

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Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid.

He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball.

So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Oh, here we go, hour two. We are live in Los Angeles. This is The Heard. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio. We are on today on FS1, just from a radio studio. And on Sirius XM Channel 83, it is great to have you. This is a different week for us.

You know, my career started in radio, so I love doing radio only. these days we put it on every platform we can, and it's great to have you here. Firing through the first hour, Nick Wright was fantastic. Jay Glazer in five minutes joins us. There will be another big, big deal in the next few days, if not today. So Jay Glazer will join us, his thoughts on the proceedings. As far as New England, we know Tom Brady's going to a very, very talented offense. By the way, the Buccaneers defense last year with Todd Bowles, who I always liked.

He's a better coordinator than a head. head coach was top 10 in the NFL in efficiency. Tampa Bay is going to win some games and be productive. Are they a playoff team in the crowded NFC? I'm not sure. It's not an organization that historically has been buttoned down in terms of details, though they've had a ton of talent. I think Tom swings that pendulum a little bit.

They become a little more efficient, if not a lot more efficient. But it is a division where it's kind of hard to, you know, you got twice a year breeze, twice a year now Bridgewater, twice a year Matt Ryan, guys that don't beat themselves. These are going to be tight, tight games. It's going to be probably the strongest quarterback division in the NFL in terms of efficiency between Breeze and Bridgewater and Brady and Matt Ryan. No stiffs. Not a lot of picks. A lot of smart dudes. Belichick has a plan because he's smart and always has a plan. I just saw this morning he let another defensive player go. That's four total defensive players he's let go. Van Noy, Jamie Collins, Duran Harmonin, good player,

player sometimes starters gone to Detroit. He's done a couple solids for Detroit. His buddy, Matt Patricia, Brian Flores, coach of Miami, his buddy. I think they have a plan. It's starting Jared Stidham. Tom Brady is already $13 million on the cap this year and not there. So if you played an Andy Dalton, if you paid Andy Dalton $20 million, that's a $33 million quarterback.

I don't think he wants to do that. I don't believe that smart people that always have a plan suddenly are caught off guard. They didn't make an offer to Tom. They didn't pursue Tom. They haven't pursued weapons. This feels like to me we'll start Jared Sidham. We'll go five and 11, maybe six and ten.

Put ourselves in the top ten in the draft. We built up a lot of equity. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they think they go in the Super Bowl. Look at the roster. Look at what they're doing. Seems to me they're getting younger. They're a little old.

It looks like they're getting younger and less expensive. They're going to pay very few people. Stefan Gilmore, they're going to pay. They're kicker. They're going to pay. Joe Tuny O'Linman, they're going to pay. Not many other people. Certainly not the quarterback position.

Am I surprised that Tom Brady left? I said this yesterday when I got a call 30 minutes into the show that he was going to Tampa Bay. We broke that story about six hours before, you know, your typical NFL guys. I was surprised it was Tampa. I was not shocked. I was surprised he left New England. But never forget superstars. Kevin Durant left the dynasty.

Why? What do we find out? Why? It was that Draymond Green moment, and he didn't feel the organization addressed Draymond Green. Why did LeBron leave Cleveland a second time? LeBron felt the organization didn't listen to him. They traded Kyrie Irving. LeBron said, do not.

Who cares if he wants to go? Do not trade him. Tom Brady. The organization wouldn't listen to him. I need weapons. These alpha males, they want to be treated differently. And if they've won titles for you, LeBron and Cleveland, Durant and Golden State and Brady and New England,

sometimes when they say stuff, listen to them. They deserve to get babied a little. Durant did not forget the Draymond situation. He ignored it, and he played through it, and he played nice, but he didn't forget. And LeBron kept trying hard and played really well post-Kyrie, but he never forgot. And Brady, weapons, he's wanted them.

I read a story Albert Brear said this morning, listen, Brady grew older, had kids, found business interests outside of football, and may to some degree have been done being dealt with as if he was a long snapper. You know, I also think the Jimmy Garapolo thing. I'm going to play a bite. T.J. Hushman Zada had predicted on our show. Brady's 0% chance he's coming back. Let's be honest about it.

Tom Belichick wanted to replace him a couple years ago. And much like Durant with Golden State or LeBron and Kyrie in Cleveland, Tom may play nice, but Tom knows two years ago, you tried to get rid of me for a guy that I think I'm still better than. Here's T.J. He thinks that's the reason Tom left. I look at the Jimmy G. situation where Belichick was basically, he was gone, lawyer, maloyum, and Richard Seaborum. He was going to get rid of him when he could still play. And Bob Kraft said, no, no, no, you're not doing this. So they got rid of Jimmy G.

And I don't believe Brady could ever get over that. That's like your wife saying, no, I'm going to go date another man. Okay, are you okay with it? Oh, I'm going to stay with you. I didn't know he had a girlfriend. Like, who's going to go for that? And so Brady had to put up with it, and now that he can leave, he's going to leave. I mean, Michael Jordan's Hall of Fame speech, he criticized his high school coach.

You know, alpha males may play nice and play through it, but they don't forget. And maybe that was the reason. Jay Glazer joined us. I think it was Monday. We were so glad to have him at Jay Glazer, Fox Sports NFL Insider. So, I mean, during this whole New England thing with Brady, you've often said, I don't want to be wrong. Were you surprised in the Andy left New England?

Oh, no. I wasn't surprised. You know, there's been a lot. You know, and you just touched on it also, just kind of the treatment there. And I know, you know, for a while it was just kind of masked as, hey, if we could yell at Tom. Tom, we could yell at you to show us we could yell at you. shows we could yell at anybody in those team meetings. But look, Conall, I'm still, this is a head scratcher for me.

I mean, he's the greatest quarterback who's ever lived in a top 10 offense with missing their center, who David Andrews, who is a huge part of that offense. So far, you know, members of that offensive line, really not great weapons for him to use and still a top 10 offense. And as you know, life in the NFL absolutely sucks when you don't have a quarterback. Yeah. It's terrible. And to just kind of treat him this way,

and I know business is business and friends and friends and family, family, but man, this is a huge head scratcher for me. I just, but the fact that he goes down to Tampa Bay is, you know, Bruce Arian is, I mean, he's obviously the life of the party. I wish I could just be at the, you know, the 4 o'clock meetings with him and Bruce and, you know, the open bar that'll be over there. The beer in vodka that will be flowing. Yeah, I mean, Tampa's an interesting, you know, I was saying earlier, I covered them for two years in Tampa.

I thought the glazers were not cheap. They were good people. They were smart. They've had Hall of Famers. They've got a Super Bowl. The facilities are nice. The fans are passionate. A lot of bad teams in the NFL, I can look at a cheap owner, Cincinnati or dysfunctioned Cleveland, Washington.

The thing that's held Tampa back in my lifetime, when I was there, they had Dungie, Gruden, Sam Weish, Bruce Ariens. They've had good coaches. great players. They've never gotten quarterback right. I do feel like Tom. I think Tom solves some of their issues immediately. Jay, do you? Oh, absolutely. And now the weapons he has over there? Absolutely. I mean, you're bringing in. Again, the greatest quarterback who's ever lived. I know Tom House, who coaches him, and the last season still thinks he has at least three years left in him. But, you know, it's, I think everybody looked at the teams and said, well, what makes sense? Doesn't make sense. And Ken Bages, it's always out there. One of those, you.

X-factors has always been a guy like Bruce Ariens. Man, Bruce, as you know, how fun is. I think Bruce dropped a couple of swearers on your show, right? When he's just, he's a walking party. The man can coach quarterback. He can coach offenses. You always know where you sit with him. You'll always feel like he's your, Bruce is like your favorite uncle. You just never want, like he and Andy Reid had the same thing. You never want to let him down. And he could rip you, but at least you know he's being honest and he could love you up better than anybody else. There are some, doesn't make it right, but some are speculating. Antonio Brown, Tom Brady.

You don't think so? Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Do not. I know there's speculation. I really don't see what happening. No. And people think that, listen, just because you played somewhere where someone coached, doesn't mean those two are best friends. So no, don't see that happening. Let me throw this at you. We've seen this in the NBA with Golden State. When you win a bunch of championships, you have equity with fans. New England's let four defensive guys go.

No contingency planet quarterback. Virtually the worst weapons in the league. My gut feeling is they go with Jared Stidham. They try to develop them and end up with a 6 and 10 record. That's okay. They've built up equity. Accumulate draft picks. They reboot.

They get younger and less expensive. And then they address quarterback maybe next year or this year in the draft, but I don't, I don't see a Cam Newton. I don't, I don't see, to me, they've built up equity. I think they're going to kind of reboot. Does that make sense to you? I don't know. I still think that they, I think, look, Bill Belichick's not going to want to sit there in his

final out years and just kind of, you know, be a six and ten. I think they're going to, I don't think it's fair yet to say what they're going to be because, I mean, free agency hasn't even started yet, starts later on today. And that's why, by the way, there's no official anything from either side. I think the Buccaneers are way to make sure also the 4 o'clock comes. There's nothing that could ever be construed any other way, especially when you're doing with the Patriots. But I don't think it's free yet to say what the Patriots are going to be because now you know that Tom's gone. Now they're going to have to start building up what they see as their team in the future.

I don't know what that is. Did the Indianapolis Colts, and you know how it is in this league, Houston makes a lot of mistakes, but they got the quarterback right. Indianapolis makes very few mistakes, but they may not have the quarterback right. Did they just put their problems on a credit card with Philip Rivers? You know, he's going to play for a year. It doesn't solve their long-term viability at the position. Did they just kind of say, you know, we'll put our problem on a credit card address it next year.

What do you make of them giving up a first-round pick? So now they're not going to get their future quarterback, it appears, in this draft. What do you make of what they did? yeah, he's a Band-Aid, and they understand that, but they also want to make sure they're trying to win now, which is why they go out and get a guy like Buckner, but it also shows you that they don't think their quarterback for a future was in the top 12 of this draft.

And if you don't, then that draft pick becomes a little bit more expendable, and that's why you're bringing to Philip Rivers. And, you know, Frank Reich obviously has an awful lot of, you know, familiarity with Philip Rivers and what the issues they had last year, and what he thinks he can correct with him this year. But yeah, Philip, I don't think there's any mistake about it. But, yeah, Phillips vand it. Yeah.

Chicago, Cam Newton, what do you make of that story out there? Here's the problem with Cam. It's because of the coronavirus, you can't physical them. You can't look at his foot. You can't look at, he's been bagged up quite a bit. And so this is, look, we're in uncharted territory right now. And people, things are changing by the minute, right? by the second, by the hour, by the day.

But how do you go and invest heavily in somebody? You really don't know where they are physically. It really is interesting. Right? I mean, hey, Cam Newton. And just there's been kind of different Cam Newton's, if you will, right? You really want to come meet with the guy and bring them in, and you're not allowed to.

Hey, by the way, as much as I think Brady will be very productive in Tampa, no OTA, no camp, this will be the least prepared. I mean, Tom's all about culture and chemistry and details. Tom Brady's going to have a Tampa team. He's going to be learning on the fly like never before. Well, I think, look, Tom has that greatness, sickness. You know, and what I mean by that is the guys who are 24-7.

Look, we all know how hard a worker or some of the other quarterbacks are because they let us in, right? The mannings and the breezes, they let us in. Tom doesn't. But knowing people that he's worked with, you know, other coaches and players, he is constant, like he has that sickness, 3 o'clock in the morning. morning texting and coach, hey, look about this, look at this matchup. Hey, how about doing this? You know, hitting up his receivers, hitting this person. It's just, it's nonstop.

In order to be great, you've got to be crazy. And he's crazy in that way. By the way, Jay's MVP merging vets and players organization having a virtual MVP meeting with retired vets and former athletes this week and every week until we are through these very, very precarious times, allowing us to practice social distancing while still being connected to do our new guys merging bets and players. As always, Jay, we love having you on. I appreciate me. Thank you for that plug, man.

Yeah, we're going to be holding sessions tonight. We have five cities. We want to make sure when our vets and players hear the word isolation, it is not good. So we're making sure they don't isolate. We'll meet with them all. We're going to have a virtual workout, all of us together. And then we're going to sit around and have our mental health talk in each five cities.

So go to our website, vets and players. We are here for you. We don't have to isolate. We've got to get through these times together. Thanks, buddy. Thanks, buddy. Coming up next, I talked to a scouting director last night on the East Coast. Regarding, you know, it's funny about this quarterback draft.

It's Joe Burrow. It's Tua, who I like. It's Justin Herbert. It's Jordan Love. It's Jake Fromm. It's Jacob Eason. And very interesting thoughts on the quarterback class that I'm just, I'll save it. Very interesting thoughts on this quarterback class.

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I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson,

we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. of the court licking his fingers why he got the ball like after you go through a training camp with that i said you figure it out real quick get your ass up and down the court and you're going to get the ball so listen to point game on the i heart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts if you're buying a used car the internet confuse people vague pricing not anymore go to true car up front prices dealer online search from over a million pre-owned vehicles with the true car by

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It's, you know, we're going to be fine. It just takes a while to get through stuff. I'd like to say this. So yesterday, you know, I got nothing but time now. So I'm sitting there yesterday. And when we broke the story yesterday, I had texted two general managers during the show. After I got, after I had broke the story on Tom,

ready to go in the Tampa, I said, listen, I don't think you're getting him. You can check, but this is bad news. I don't think you're getting him. And both texted back and said, cool, get back to you later. One of those GMs called me last night to congratulate me. Very classy guy. Tom Telesco with a Chargers called and said, you know, I didn't want to hear it, but congrats. Nice job.

So a real classy guy. They're going to draft the quarterback, I would imagine. If they can in the first round, they sewed up their left tackle yesterday. Brian Beluga, who's still got about a year left in the NFL. He's very Andrew Whitworth, good. not many days left, but a pro at the left tackle spot. And then yesterday, late yesterday, I was talking to a scouting director out east. And we were, you know, he's, you know, you can't, it's a weird time for people in the NFL.

You can't do physicals. You pulled your scouting departments in. The information you have for the draft is the information you largely have. And he said, you know, he listens occasionally to the show. And, you know, I told him, I said, I said, two is my favorite prospect in this draft, but I have health concerns. And he said, every quarterback in this draft has an issue. He goes, Joe Burrow has a, is not an elite arm talent, and he's going to get the, you know what, beat out of him for several years in that division. Baltimore's defensive front, the Steelers defensive front, and the Brown's defensive front are three of the top seven or eight in the league.

And Burroughs got a bad offensive line. Joe Burrow does not have an elite arm and is going to get crushed for at least a couple of years until they can sew that. that O line up, there goes his confidence. Nobody, nobody can overcome that. I mean, that's the Sam Darnold thing with a Jets O line, and Darnold's a playmaker. And he's like, you start feeling the hits before they hit you. You start seeing and hearing ghosts. So he said, you know, we like Burrow, but, you know, you got people out here are making him out to be Trevor Lawrence or Andrew Luck. He is not. About Tua, he said, we like him. But he's not a world-class athlete, and he's got a big medical concern.

He gets hurt a lot in college. I like him, but I can't deny that. He said that Jacob Easton, Washington. He said he's old school, makes a lot of bad throws, has to have great protection to work. Jordan Love, he said, listen, right coach it could work. He was terrible as last year in college. He's incredibly loose.

There is some Patrick Mahomes, but he doesn't have nearly that arm strength or that talent. He, again, needs the right fit, but there's talent there. Jake from Georgia sees him as a backup. So, you know, you start, Justin Herbert, who I think is undervalued at this point. I think Herbert is good. I think he may have the best NFL career.

I think he's a very high B plus prospect. Two is more A minus, but if he gets hurt, then he's out. You know, the knock on Herbert is, if you get Herbert that was in the Rose Bowl, you got a franchise A quarterback. But Oregon's offense, he didn't have a ton of third. throw to in terms of talent was highly conservative. And there are a lot of concerns out there that with Herbert, you know, he can't do anything off script.

You got to, you got to draw up everything for him. My argument and pushback is, that's not what I saw at the Senior Bowl. That's not what I saw in the Rose Bowl. Once the Oregon staff knew, here's the season, we can let him run around because they didn't have a backup they trusted. Then he was great. I want, if you watch Justin Herbert, go YouTube the highlights of his Rose Bowl. He looks like Trevor Lawrence of Clemson, not quite as bad.

big, not quite as fast, but he looks like him. So I think Herbert now is undervalued. I think Burrow is overvalued, and I know this. Herbert goes to the Chargers. He's going to a significantly better roster. It's not close. The Chargers roster, the Chargers have sewn up their own line issues. Herbert will be better with the Chargers than Burrow will be for the Bengals, because we all know this. It's all about where you land. If Brady lands in Cincinnati and Carson Palmer lands with Belichick, we have different books to write. Computer systems and cars, the new normal. Call 800 cars, 6,000, CarShield.com.

Either way, get 10% off. Protection when your warranty runs out. CarShield.com. Here's veteran newsman John Goulet. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So some news out of the NBA yesterday, Kevin Durant has tested positive for the coronavirus. virus. The net said that four players on the team tested positive, even though only one was showing

symptoms. Durant texted Sean Sharani of the athletics said, feels fine. He was one of the guys not showing any symptoms. He's good. I think when the NBA players and young athletes like that get this, it kind of hits home with a lot of us because it's like, okay, if these are some of the best athletes in the world and if they can get it, anybody can. I think the NBA has had a unique impact on this entire story. Similar to the way that when John Langell, Lennon died. Remember, it was on Monday Night Football. That's how most people found out that John Lennon had died from Howard Cosell. I feel like similarly, a lot of us found out about how big this whole thing was watching the NBA. And we got the news that during the Mazz game with the

Mark Cuban response, the league was going to shut down and the Rudy Gobert story. That's how a lot of us that are sports fans found out really how serious this was. Yeah, you got to remember with the NBA. It's very unique sport. First of all, it has the most people coming down with the virus because it was in the middle of its season. Baseball hasn't started yet and football's inactive. So in the NBA, you have every star player's got four or five guys around him all the time. It is also no helmet, no distancing.

You lean on people, you sweat on people. Basketball to me has always been the sport most endangered by the virus. You know, hockey, you've got a wall of glass between the fans and the players. Everybody's got helmets on, shields. You don't touch hands. And, you know, so to me, basketball, like March Madness and NBA, those are the two automatics. And you share a ball.

Yeah, you share one ball. So it's not surprising to me that the NBA, now the good news is NBA players may be in the best shape of anybody in the world, you know, outside of tour to France, cyclists. So the good news is if anybody can withstand this statistically, it's young athletes. So to the NFL where the Cowboys have agreed to a deal with former Bucks and Panthers defensive tackle Gerald McCoy. It was a long time Buck. He spent one season with the Panthers last year. He had five sacks.

Cowboys needed to add something to their defense. They lost Robert Quinn, Jeff Heath, and most importantly, Byron Jones, all in free agency. Yeah, not much of a deed. And their defense wasn't good to begin with. The six-time pro bowler has never made the playoffs in his entire career. So is that going to change in 2020? are the Cowboys a playoff team with that depleted defense and overpaid quarterback? No.

Well, I heard they want to go and get Emmanuel Sanders today. Perfect transition. That's what was my next door. So they're going to pay everybody in the way. They're going to pay Gerald McCoy and Emmanuel Sanders and Amari and Z. I will say McCoy's deal looks to be about $6 million a year. So it's not a high price guy. It's something though.

They're running out of cap space. Absolutely. And to your point, the Cowboys have expressed interest in veteran receipts. receiver Emmanuel Sanders, according to NFL networks Jane Slater. The interest is mutual. I don't know if you know this. Sanders played college football at SMU, which is obviously in the Dallas area. And he still spends his offseason in that area.

Help the Niners get to the Super Bowl last year. A receiving core of Amari Cooper, Emmanuel Sanders, and Michael Gallup is as good of a three-deep as you're going to find in the NFL. That would be a great group of receivers for Dak Prescott. By Dak Prescott, I'll tell you, if they land Emmanuel Sanders, it is amazing. how little some guys get to the NFL and they inherit nothing. Dak Prescott may have more weapons his first four years in this league than any quarterback of my life. Well, Mahomes. Mahomes has great weapons and Andy Reid, but good Lord, if they get Emmanuel Sanders in Dallas.

Three good receivers. Wow. They're not going to use Witton anymore who does those three-yard curl routes. That's about it. And then, all, by the way, arguably the best running back in the NFL and it's still a good offensive line. there'd really be no excuse left for DAC to not be a little more productive. Again, I don't know where their bank is. I'm not sure how in a salary cap league they seem to be able to just spend whatever they want.

It is also is they are, this is the Rams model, which is seven or eight rock stars and then no depth. And you get one bad Zach Martin injury to the O line. And DeMarcus Loris Twits an ankle and he's out and you have no pass rush for a month. And you have to win wild shootouts. and I don't think DAC even with Emmanuel Sanders is built for that. The Sanders signing to me says they're going all in on office. Gerald McCoy signing is nice, but he doesn't even replace what they lost in terms of Sack production with Robert Quinn.

So this becomes very much a, okay, we're just going to have to outscore people. And like you said, I don't know that DAC is my first pick for quarterbacks to win that way. Veteran newsman John Goulet. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. John, hold on. very quickly. You may have to put that

music on. Hold on. I've got a text here. Hold on. Let me do a quick text here. They are making things happen in America. Okay, John. Quarterback trade. Jacksonville is trading Nick Foles to the Bears for a

fourth round pick. Bear coaches, according to Adam Schaefter. Bears coaches like Matt and Aggie. I like Matt Nagy a lot, by the way. They've worked with Nick Foles in the past. So Nick Foles is going to Chicago, and my guess is, Trebisky's the starting quarterback, but Nick Foles will play.

Nick Foles will play. So Jacksonville is down to Gardner, Minshu, and I guess they'll draft a quarterback. For the record, Jacksonville's got what the ninth pick in the draft? They can get a quarterback. You know what that tells me right there? This actually is something. So now think about this.

So give me the, who are the, I don't have it right now. So we go, who's drafting eight right now? Give me 8, 9, 10, 11. Who is dread? No, wait. Give me 7. Give me 6. 6 is the chargers, right?

Miami's 5. They're going to take a quarterback. Six chargers. Seven's who? Carolina. Carolina's got a quarterback. 8. Arizona.

Arizona's got a quarterback 9. Jacksonville. Okay, so if you're Jacksonville now, Nick Foles has gone. By the way, you got out of that contract. I never. like that contract to begin with, you're out of it. And Gardner Minshue cossed nothing. So if you're Jacksonville at nine, you're going to draft a quarterback, aren't you?

I mean, so this is going to be very interesting. So we know Cincinnati at number one, Cincinnati's going to get a quarterback. Miami at five wants a quarterback. Chargers at six didn't get Brady. They need a quarterback. All right. So Cincinnati, Miami Chargers. And now Jacksonville. one more nugget, Colin. If they need to move up, they also have the 20th pick from the Rams for the Jalen Ramsey trade. So they have a second. If they needed to move up into the top five, they have another first round pick. Okay, so we have a potential for four quarterbacks taken.

Sincey won Joe Burrell, Miami five, I'll guess to Charger Six, Justin Herbert, who I think will win. And then Carolina's got Bridgewater. They won't take a quarterback. Arizona is going to fix their offensive line. 10, I think that's Cleveland. They'll take an offensive tackle. 11. I think 11's the Jets.

They'll take a, they got a center yesterday, and they re-signed Alex Lewis. I'm not sure. And they got no offense. So I'm not sure if the Jets do go offensive line. I think they do, but they're not as desperate today as five days ago. So it looks like you're going to have four quarterbacks taken. Jacksonville's got to get a quarterback unless they think, I mean, you might as well. And they can move up.

Wow. This is not a small deal. So Nick Foles goes to Chicago. And, you know, basically what they're in. Now, Foles is not quite as athletic as Trabisky, but he's got, he's a better thrower with a football. And he's a real classy guy. You can bring him into the room.

He won't disrupt anything. Nick Foles has had just an incredible career. He has almost quit, won a Super Bowl, got paid a ton, now in Chicago. So this, I think, changes the draft. Wow. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. I can't wait for the draft. I cannot.

You know, the only thing, um, I'm bummed out the NBA season got shelved, but I'll say this. I cannot wait for the draft. Rich Orenberger, a great guest, radio and San Diego, former Patriot,

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This is Cliver Taylor the Fourth. And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker walks up to me, he goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out.

Quarterback on office blue with 42. Hey, rep, my mama want you to wave at her. What? Where's she at? Hey, Miss Parker. Listen to the Cliverts show on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. What's up, fam?

Miss Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano and our podcast Point Game is about defining the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs.

I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing.

That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the,

iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back. Rich Orrenberger's, a former NFL offensive lineman, Chargers, Cardinals, most notably the Patriots and a teammate with Philip Rivers and Tom Brady. Great guest today, Rich. Let's first start with actually Philip Rivers. You know, it's a little stopgap. You know, you put your problems if you're the Colts on a credit card for a year. But what do you make of that fit in Indy with Philip? Oh, it's absolutely perfect. Obviously, Frank Reich and he have a great relationship. putting their time together in, well, the Chargers organization, both in San Diego and Los Angeles.

You know, Frank Gregg becomes a head coach after a stopover in Philadelphia, an immense success with the Eagles. And he's been searching for a quarterback ever since. Luck retires. Jacoby Brissette doesn't work out. He fits in well there because that's a team that really felt like they were a veteran energy-creating, tone-setting quarterback away from being great. And I think the Indianapolis Colts have the ability now to go get one. Yeah. It's, what did you make when Tom got traded?

Or Tom left, excuse me. What was your initial reaction? Oh, my initial reaction when Tom Brady got, I missed the question. So when Tom announced he's leaving, what was your initial reaction? Okay. My initial reaction was shocked, to be perfectly honest with you. through all of this, even though there was a lot of, you know, sort of harsh tones around the water cooler being spoken, I sort of figured that Robert Kraft wouldn't allow Tom Brady to walk away.

I assume that they would do everything in their power. The organization, I know Felichick is a ruthless practitioner of his system, and his system is one that wavered over nobody. I mean, this came down the pike when he was looking to create Tom Brady to the 49ers per sources as opposed to Jimmy Garapolo, because he doesn't want anybody to go rotten on the vine. He always gets rid of guys a couple of years too soon as opposed to a year or two late. And so that was the goal with Tom Brady. And I think he still obviously got great success out of Tom Brady in the years where he remained as the Patriots quarterback.

But I was still shocked that Robert Kraft allowed this to happen. but this may have been mutual. It feels to me like Time wanted to leave New England, didn't want to be there, and maybe money wasn't the object. But I was shocked. You know, Tampa's interesting. I covered it for a couple

years. They had money, smart people, really good coaches. I was there for Sam Weiss and Tony Dungey. They've had Gruden, Bruce Ariens. They are the one organization that can't get quarterback right. You know, people say, man, Denver can never replace El

way. But they did have before him Craig Morton. They did have after him Peyton Manning. I mean, Tampa is the only organization that's never really had a franchise quarterback who you consider a Hall of Fame level guy. I think Tom

solves a lot of this. You know, I know he's passed his prime, but I think it works in Tampa. Do you? Yes. Yes. I have supreme beliefs in Tom Brady as a competitor and assuming he doesn't hit that proverbial lead that even Hall same quarterback hit

late in their career you know like a Brett Barber or Peyton Manning look you want a Super Bowl on you know a tank of gas where he was rolling into the gas station you know what I'm saying he didn't have much left but assuming he doesn't

hit that ledge Tampa Bay is one of those teams that is just absolutely polluted with talent on the offensive side of the ball they just had a guy at quarterback, and James Winston, maybe he will have a rejuvenation somewhere else with his career. But he could not protect the football. And you can't play football in this league if you can't protect the football.

He had 30 interceptions. He fumbled five times. I mean, that's dressed out at Tampa Bay defense that was pretty good. Yeah. They were getting to the quarterback. But you just can't have that many turnovers. And you know Tom Brady won't turn the ball over. at that page. You know, here's what I worry

about, though, the pendulum swing. I can make an argument, you know, Tampa's the opposite in virtually everything. Weather, efficiency, culture, Tampa's the opposite of New England. You know, it's, you know,

New England is the Ivy League student, Tampa's on a perpetual spring break. You know, Bruce Ariens is like, why do these coaches work so hard? You know, Belichick's no days off. I worry that he's going to a culture that is so vastly different, looser, not quite historically as efficient, and with the virus, no camp potentially.

I mean, when you went from the Patriots to the Chargers and the Chargers and the Cardinals, did you suffer a little bit of culture shock patriots to lesser franchises? Oh, there's absolutely no question about that. And that's a valid concern, Colin. You know, when I left New England, I was shocked at how football wasn't literally everything to everybody else in the NFL. When I was in New England, I walked on eggshells every day because, you know, after being drafted in the fourth round as a backup offensive lineman, I was waiting for, you know, the guy standing around the other side of the corner and asked for my playbook. Like, it just felt like every year. day mattered so much.

And I feel like in other organizations, and I've talked to a lot of guys, this isn't just, you know, with the two other organizations I played for, other guys, you know, who left New England, they'll tell you. You know, quality of life is a lot better alpha, and I think that's a big reason why

time really considered this late in his career. He's accomplished everything possibly could accomplish individually and team-wise. Now it's time to see if you can really enjoy playing football. for a different franchise and have success. Because that is a hard balance to strike in New England.

It's very easy to have success. It's very difficult to enjoy it because you're always on to the next one. Even after a Super Bowl victory, days later, you're putting that on the shelf. You're never looking at it again. You're getting ready for the next season. So, yeah, it could be a concern with Tom Brady going to Tampa Bay, but what I think actually happens is he gives the organization a shot in the arm with a certain level of focus that has been lacking. I think he actually improved the room as opposed to the room, you know, affecting him.

Yeah. It's interesting. Some of it is the pendulum swing. You know, he wants to have fun. That's what his wife said. It's, it's going to, I just, it's fascinating to me. I think he wants to play for three more years, right? Like, I do think with these weapons, he'll win this divorce, at least publicly for a year.

I think he's going to be very productive. Three minutes left. Can Tom play another way, though? This is more of a vertical offense. Bruce Ariens is more of a vertical offensive-minded coach. Carson Palmer threw the ball. Big downfield. James throws the ball downfield.

Can Tom play a little differently, in your opinion? look I think they're going to meet in the middle I really do I believe when you get those two chefs in the kitchen you know see what they cook up I think they're going to find a way to make this often curtail to his signings and his abilities otherwise they're really going to struggle look I know and it's been widely reported uh after the signing look you know birrarians no risket no biscuit no biscuits you know we're going to go for it all Carson Palmerton but but the truth is He's working with a guy who doesn't have a limited skill set, and they still have some of the best accuracy on deep throws we've seen in the NFL as of late. But can his arm hold up doing that all season long? I think that's where the adjustment comes in, and they work with each other.

And these are two bright enough guys and long veterans that they could probably find the neutral ground there. So I'm fascinated to see what that looks like in this upcoming season. defensive players, New England let go of, no contingency plan for Brady. Not that it would be called tanking, but would it shock you of Belichick said, here Jared Stidham go for it. They go five and 11, and they get in the top eight of next year's draft. I mean, like the Warriors, they've built up equity. They don't, you know, they'll sell that stadium out for a couple of years regardless of a win total. Would that shock you if they just said, we're going to go with Stidham, see what we can do and get a better draft spot?

I think they like Stidham. And I think that may be likely what they do end up doing. And, you know, from what I've heard, he grew a lot away from the light of day, very similar to the reports we heard about Jimmy Garapolo during his early years in New England. So we'll see what it looks like. One thing I know for certain is Belichick is going to be using all of us saying, hey, you know, if you're going to tank, hey, you know, how they're going to do without Brady as Bolton board material to get that team fired up for next season. He always does keep around certain feet veterans to leave certain groups. And, uh, We'll see.

But yeah, the coverage are getting awfully bare in New England. Yeah. So I'm curious what that overall record looks like. By the way, if you haven't heard, Jags sent Nick Foles to the Bears to either back up or beat out Trabiski for a fourth-round pick. So for your show this afternoon, not sure it resonates in San Diego, but the Nick Folls chapter, wasn't much of one, is over in Jacksonville. They have Gardner Minshue.

So now with their ninth pick in the draft, they may get a quarterback as well. So there you go. There you go. That's a busy time. Quarterbacks going everywhere. It's fun. It's funny. It's a nice distract.

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With one of the busiest three or four days stretches, I can never remember doing radio. Seriously. Between Monday yesterday and today, I don't remember a day that's busy. Yesterday at this time, I had got a little scoop that Brady was going to Tampa. It wasn't a football.

source, which is rare. But it was just one of those days. I got a couple of year when somebody calls and says this is going to happen. And I'm an opinionist, not a sports reporter, but like everybody else in this business, have contact. So happy for Tom. I think it's a big pendulum swing from the kind of academic, efficient culture of New England, all football, nothing else, to a looser, less efficient.

Get off at 5 o'clock and have a margarita, Bruce Ariens culture in Tampa, I think Tampa's got talent. I think it's going to be productive. It's a tough division. I don't necessarily think Tom's going to win 15 games or 14 games. But he's going to be productive, and he's going to face Mahomes and Rogers and Breeze twice and the Rams. It's going to be all over the news. He's going to be a story every Monday.

New England is not. They're not going to be interesting. Worst weapons in the league. Jarrett Stidham was anonymous in the SEC. Forget the NFL. So that's where we're at. Nick Wright came on earlier. today. You know, I've asked

everybody, you know, their gut feeling their first reaction when Tom said, I'm no longer a patriot, and here was Nick Wright. He asked for a contract extension two years ago, and they said, how about some incentives you won't reach, even though you just won league MVP, and we just

went to our eighth Super Bowl? He knew he was going to have to sing for his supper this year, and he was off key all season long. So I wasn't surprised. I was shocked to hear that he's going to Tampa and not California, but you, I still don't totally get it. Why it's the bucks over the Chargers, aside from maybe he smartly doesn't want to face Patrick Mahomes twice the year,

because who would. But I wasn't surprised he left New England, college. Listen, Tampa's an organization that's done a lot right. They've won a Super Bowl. They've had great coaches. Sam Weish, smart guy, got to a Super Bowl, Tony Dungey, John Gruden, Bruce Ariens. They've had the coaches. They've had good executives. The Glazer family's got a lot of money. This is not Cincinnati where they're broke or Jacksonville where there's no passion. The Bucks have wildly popular and intense, passionate fans.

The owners have money. They've had good coaches. They've Hall of Fame players. I covered them for two years. I lived in that locker room. They've got great facilities. It's a state with no state tax. For a young professional athlete, it's a top seven or eight place to go.

Warm weather, beautiful people, a lot of beaches, no state tax. They just can't get the quarterback right. They're the one, everybody says, we're just a quarterback away. Tampa is. In the history, since 1976, this is amazing. Tampa Bay, 76 at 86, 96, 2006, 2006, 2000. It's over 40 years. They're last in quarterback efficiency, last in passer rating, last in TD to interception ratio, last in completion percentage.

they literally can't get the quarterback right. They cannot get the quarterback right. Brady gets it right. So they're going to win a bunch of games. Not sure if they can beat New Orleans and that organization, but I do think they buy it for a playoff spot. You know, let's be honest about this whole league. You've got to get quarterback right.

That's what it's all about. Indianapolis does everything right. Can't get the quarterback right. The GM and Indianapolis great. The coach is good. The old line's amazing. The defensive lines now with Brooke. is going to be really good.

They've got depth. It's a winnable division. And they can't get the quarterback right. Philip Rivers too old. Jacoby Brissette to average. Houston makes mistake after mistake, but they have Deshawn Watson. So Russell Wilson has been the great makeup,

the great cover-up for all of Seattle's offensive ills. Bad O-line coach, bad O'Line, no running game, multiple injuries, undrafted wide receivers. He turns blocking tight ends into productive NFL. Altide ends. You get the quarterback right. Everything else just, they're the great lubricator. The great lubricator of the sport. The human eraser. They erase the issues, the bad draft picks. Tom Brady eliminated a lot of bad draft picks by New England. I mean, if you go to look at Seattle

with Russell Wilson, it's remarkable. Pete Carroll knows personnel. James Carpenter, bad first round pick. Aaron Curry is first. Whiff. Rashad Penny. They tried to trade him last year. They were making calls to see if they can move him. Seattle has butchered some of the early picks. I mean, they really have. Russell Wilson covers all of it. They've had a below average O line his entire stay. You know, so you get the quarterback right. Brady has covered up a lot of sins and whiffs by Bill Belichick.

Russell Wilson's done the same. So, you know, and it's funny talking about Houston. So if you haven't heard Chicago went out and got Nick Foles, I don't think it changes a lot. I think Matt and Aggie had Foles in Kansas City, and I think by the end of the year, Nick Foles will be starting over Mitch Trabisky. I don't think that puts,

I think Nick Foles is average. I think Trabisky is slightly below average. I, to be honest with you, I think Green Bay is going to win that division or Minnesota is going to win that division. But it's something, it pushes Trabisky and it gives a real, Matt and Aggie gets a real distributor and thrower of the football,

which I think Trabisky is driving him nuts. But just to give you an example about, like Houston, like everybody, bangs on Bill O'Brien. Houston's terrible. They keep winning the division. They keep making the playoffs. All right. So just this is all what it's about. So we don't like what they did with D'Andre Hopkins. But in the end, I live in the state of California and I follow high school recruiting. And this has been happening for about five straight years, now four to five years. There's one high school running back. State has 38 million people. There is one elite high

school running back in the state of California. High school. I counted yesterday 14 wide receivers who you would consider like top 100 players in the state. All the talent wants to go to wide receiver and quarterback. Houston had DeAndre Hopkins and said, this draft has 50 wide receivers in it. We have Will Fuller. Now we have two good running backs. We have a tight end we like. We got Randall Cobb.

We're not going to a Super Bowl because of DeAndre Hopkins who wanted to renegotiate his contract. We just didn't want to go through that. So Bill O'Brien held a meeting. Michael Irvin said they talked about baby mamas and blah, blah, blah, what-evs. But in the end, D.Hop wanted to restructure his contract. And Bill O'Brien's like, no, I'm out. We got enough firepower. We can't stop anybody.

Firepower is not our issue. But everybody's overreacting. I don't like what the Houston Texans got back, but this league is not driven by wide receivers. I've always said they're the convertible sports car of professional athletes. They're fun. They're dynamic. They're crazy. But they're not all season.

They're not all season. Gets cold, gets windy, can't use them much. But they're fun. They're dynamic. They can be, go look at the last several Super Bowl. Seattle got the two Super Bowls below average wide receivers. Brady, except for the Moss Welker years, usually had below average wide receivers. Baltimore got a Super Bowl.

Won it below average wide receivers. The Kaepardick 49ers that were dominant for a couple of years. They didn't have great wide receivers. Look around. You don't. have to be, you know, you want to be better than bad, but you don't have to be great. In fact, I looked at this this morning. 49ers got to a Super Bowl. They had major wide receiver issue injuries all year. The best wide receiver year ever, arguably Calvin Johnson, Detroit went four and 12

with him. Of the top 10 leading wide receivers, yardage wise, one was on a team last year that won a playoff game. Most didn't make the playoffs. So there's very few great left tackles, very few great quarterbacks, very few great cover corners, very few great pass rushers. There's a million wide receivers. There's 48 are going to get drafted. So I don't have a problem moving off D'Andre Hopkins. They got a second round pick for him. They probably should have gotten two seconds or a first. But the idea of leaving a wide receiver to get, get picks and upgrade your defense, I have a problem with that. It's, I think we make too much of it. This league is all about quarterback.

Houston does so many things wrong, according to the critics. They keep winning their division. They went 10 and 6 last year. And from what I read, they can't do anything right. They got the right quarterback. Chris Sims, NBC Sports, former Buck, by the way. Talk about Tampa. I mean, what does he like about Tampa?

What drove him nuts in Tampa? That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Chris Sims works for NBC Sports. he is a former buck he reported over the last weekend he said hey brady's down to the bucks and the patriots and he also reported the niners are out he is good friends with kail shanahan and so chris is joining us on a pretty frenetic week uh let me start first of all chris thanks for coming on i appreciate this oh anytime man hey colin you the man i enjoy listen to you i watch you all the time

and uh anytime i get a chance earn him free i'm down to come on with you man So you, I covered the bucks for two years. I thought it was well run and smart. It was a little loose, but I always thought there were smart people in the front office. I covered Dungey and I covered Sam Weish. This is the one franchise in America that can say, you know, we just have never had a superstar quarterback. Right. Your experience there, how does Tom and that attention to detail, how does it fit in Tampa, in your opinion?

Yeah, well, I mean, that's going to be a little bit of a culture shock. I mean, I'm sure he's going to be a little bit like, hey, you know, I'm used to obsessive, compulsive, cross every T, dot every I, you know, type of coaches. And not to say that, you know, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Bruce Ariens aren't that way, but come on. I mean, we know that Bill Belichick leads the history of football in that department, so nobody's going to be quite that. To your point, to what you said, I mean, I think it's a city that's,

starving for this type of player. You know, when I was there and lost my spleen, not long after that, you might remember that we were very into the Brett Farrb chase there before he ended up picking the New York Jets that year. So this is a franchise in the Glazers who I think is really welcoming this opportunity. And yeah, will it be as buttoned up as perfect as New England? No, nobody is that way. But I do think that Tom Brady is going to get a lot of things that he didn't get in New England

with Tampa. and that is a head coach that's going to show a little affection and respect and maybe a little more dialogue about game plan and what to do and how he feels and all of those things that I'm sure really appealed to Tom Brady, let alone the team and the offense have potential with him because Brady can still throw the ball at a very, very high level. His arm is still towards the top of football as far as arm strength is concerned. I never thought the – I mean, I like the Glazer kids.

he's obviously in terms of wealth. He's got some ownership over in the UK with the English Premier League team. Did you like the Glazers? Did you find them willing to spend money and easy to talk to? And the right kind of own. You know, you can't win in this league with a bad ownership group. How did you feel they were his owners? Oh, I think the world of the Glazer family.

I mean, first off, they have a great human humanity side to them. They care about their coaches and the people in the United States. organization as people. They really showed that with me with my spleen and my issues. And, you know, they're invested. They're in that building a lot. Yeah. They are. And, you know,

they care about their Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And they'll stick their nose in, but I think just the right amount, you know, to where they let the coaches and the people they hired run their organization, but they certainly have a good feel of what's going on. And they're not scared to spend money as we're seeing right here with this.

I mean, you know, this is pretty awesome. and then the franchise tag of Shaquille Barrett and getting back JPP and everything like that. Tampa, even before Brady signed there, was one of those teams where, you know, I had a little asterisk next to say, ooh, watch out. They could be very good next year. And, of course, now this makes you feel a little bit more confident in saying that. I'm a Todd Bowles fan as a coordinator. You know, I've said this before.

Al Gore was a great vice president. You know, maybe not the president. There are guys that are built to be vice president. I think Bowles is a great defensive coordinator. Definitely. I'm with you. Creative. And I think, you know, you've got to be that way this day and age. You know, the day and age of like, oh, we're just going to line up and play two defenses and we're going to be sound and we won't mess up. You know, I just think that's over. If you're not able to conform and change on a week-to-week basis like we've seen New England do for the past 20 years and, oh, yeah, that's right. They've dominated the league for 20 years. Then I just think you're crazy. So I do like that aspect.

Special Front 7 in Tampa. I mean, special. Those two linebacks are. They got, you know, Levanti David and the kid from, you know, I'm blanking on his name from LSU, Devin White. And then, of course, the defense aligned. They have some young upcoming superstars in the secondary. So I think, yes, those are things that had to appeal to Tom Brady, let alone, whoa, Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, two really good tight ends. Yeah, too. Yeah, right.

And in a creative, offensive minds in Ariens and Lefich. Yeah, I think they'll address one of their tackle spots, get a running back. and they're ready to roll. I think it's a real football team. Now, New England, we've used this analogy several times. Golden State wins a bunch of games. They have equity with their fans so they can reboot. The fans will fill the stadium several years after Michael Jordan had his six titles.

New England, my guess is they go with Jared Stidham. They've already given up on four defensive players. They get younger. They get cheaper. And they kind of reboot for a year. I do think there is a big, big drop-off. I don't like their weapons at all. I have no idea what I get with Stedham.

Is it possible? Not tanking, but that Belichick's saying, this is a year. We get rid of some money. We get younger. It's a complete reboot year. And then we get in the top eight or nine of the draft next year and get one of these quarterbacks. Well, yeah, I think that's very real. I mean, that thought is, yeah, they're retooling.

Now, you know, New England's special. I mean, they can retool and rebuild and still make it to the playoffs. You know, I'm never going to count them out here. I'm really not. There's still a lot of quality football players and a coaching staff that I just think the world of. Yeah, to me on the outside looking in, I know for a fact that they love Jared Sidham. Are they willing to roll with him right now and year two of his career without him playing? I'm not so sure about that.

You know, I still wouldn't rule out maybe Andy Dalton ending up in New England. I really wouldn't. So we'll see how all that shakes out. But, you know, nonetheless, I do think, yes, New England is in a little era here of retooling, refurbishing their football team to get back at, you know, a level we're used to seeing them at. And they're not quite there yet. But, you know, they'll get there. I know that. And they're all about value signings, as we know, Colin. Like Demir Bird at wide receiver, nobody's really going to know that. But, you know, they signed him from Arizona last year,

a pretty good player who has potential to be something. You know, that's how they play football. And I certainly am not counting them out yet. By the way, I had a, I'll just say this. I had a, I had. a very prominent NFL person tell me yesterday. Yeah. That it was brief. But Jimmy G. You could have made a call to San Francisco.

They would have at least listened to the phone call. This person said, we heard about it. You said, you were the first one that said, there's a rumor out there with the Niners. It's now officially done. I was told yesterday. Right. Even though I didn't understand it, that Garoppolo, if not on the market, they would have listened to calls. Can you give us some clarity now, now that it appears, you know, Brady's in Tampa, Garoppolo is going to be the guy?

Yeah, sure. No, you know, I knew a lot really about the situation and, you know, from both sides, from all angles. You know, yeah, you know, you said it. I do know Kyle Shanahan, of course. You know, he calls me Johnny Media now, so he's very scared to tell me much, okay? that's what he calls me. So I don't get much information from Kyle Shanahan anymore and really try to stay out of those combos a lot of the time.

But I knew some people that were, you know, connected to Brady where I had to feel of the situation. You know, I know some people in New England as well. I do think the Brady to San Francisco thing was a very real possibility. I think I know Brady wanted it. You know, I do think the 49ers, from my understanding, tossed around the idea.

And I think that's where people, you know, maybe miss that conversation. a little bit and they just thought, oh, yeah, Brady to 49ers, are they just going to do that and swap out Jimmy Jean? No. You know, I think a big part of that was if you were going to make that move for a 43-year-old quarterback who maybe, you know, leaves after one year and just says, okay, I'm too old, it's over. You got to get a respectable trade offer for Jimmy Garapolo, too. I think people are missing that piece of the puzzle. You weren't just going to swap out, you know, I know Brady's the goat for Jimmy Garapolo, who's a just starting to hit the prime of his career and just say, oh, we'll just make an even swap and that's it. No, you know, I think a big factor with that would be the 49ers would have to have an offer and acquire some assets to go along with it to move on from Jimmy G. Because there is great risk at signing a quarterback who's 43 years old and maybe only plays

one or two more years or, you know, pulls a calf muscle, you know, in week two because he is 43 and we go, damn, you know, well, yeah, what'd you expect? He's 43. Those type of things happen. So I do think that was a very big part. of that conversation for sure, Colin. And that's what I was told yesterday that there were suitors. I mean, you and I can both figure them out.

Chargers probably would have called. I would think so. Carolina probably would have called. You know, I mean, Chicago may be called. So I mean, I think you, I guess my point is there was more to it than I gave it credit for. And you were on the, you were on the front of this, Johnny Media, and congratulations. Thank you. solid media. I appreciate that.

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accuracy and mobility matter, the world's changing pocket quarterbacks. I always say this. Jacob Eason would have been the top quarterback prospect eight years ago. Now, now he's probably number five. He's kind of flackoish.

I look at Cam Newton. I don't see a huge marketplace. I don't. I don't see. I mean, injured, inaccurate, drama, older. What is? Chicago got Foles. I know.

What's the marketplace for Cam? I've been saying this. I don't see it. Well, no, listen, there's certainly risk, because there's no doubt about that. And especially right now, with the fact that teams can't do, you know, medical check-ins and checkups on guys, that's really going to throw a wrench into Cam Newton.

You know, listen, I don't know the particulars of what happened to Cam Newton and the Carolina Panthers, but just as it looks right now, yeah, I mean, it kind of seems like Carolina did them dirty. I mean, oh, hey, all the quarterback seats are full. Hey, now you can go seek a trade. Whoa, okay, great. You mean, there's, you know, up until an hour ago, there was only two teams that need a quarterback, And you just said it. The Bears filled that hole with Nick Falls.

So now is the Chargers going to get in play? You know, I don't know. I don't know. I just, you know, it feels like they solved their guard and left tackle spot. It feels like they're getting ready to put somebody in that spot like a Justin Herbert. They don't want to get dinged up. Right. You know, that's what Beluga's got maybe one or two years left.

What they're trying to do it feels like to me is we're going to get a young guy. The one thing we don't want is him to get his butt. kicked physically and lose confidence. It makes sense. I mean, you know, I have no problem with that. I certainly, you know, Justin Herbert, I've been studying him. I mean, he's a special talent. He's a top 10 pick, in my opinion.

Yeah. There's no doubt about that. So if they want to go the route and play with Tyrod Taylor for a year, hey, that's fine. I do think Cam Newton fits the style in which they want to play. I mean, Anthony Lynn being an ex-running-back, them having a top five defense in football. Hey, you mentioned it.

Cam Newton is not the type of guy that we think is going to go like 35 for 42 and you're going to drop him back and he's just going to wheel and deal all game long. No, but he can play that style of football, ball control. Hey, we ran the ball. Hey, Cam, you run the ball. Okay, you haven't thrown the ball in a few plays, but it doesn't matter. You're Cam Newton. Just muscle in some 20-yard in cut in there. He is capable of doing that.

That's what he's been doing. So, you know, the potential of Cam Newton excites me. The chargers do need, you know, billboard material there in L.A. You know, and that's one thing I do look at it. But other than that, you know, you're right, Colin. I don't know where he ends up at this point in time. You know, it makes me think, Chris. I know Anthony Lynn wants to move the pocket.

Right. I know that. And I know Spanos has said, we need to sell tickets. I wonder if, because if there's no market for Cam, you're going to get him in a value. Yep. And you draft Jordan Love. Okay. And you say, okay, Cam, two-year deal, we're going to sit Jordan for two years.

You both have similar styles. Now, that would make sense to me because Jordan Love has got a little Cam. I don't think he's quite as gifted. But now that would be interesting. So I could solve, in your opinion, I could solve the Billboard problem. Right. I get a good number on Cam. Right.

And I get the next Cam. That is interesting. Ben, no doubt. Some possibility there. It does. And, of course, you know, you have a defense and a lot of things on your team that you like to where you go, you can win now. Oh, yes. You really can, right?

Yes. I mean, yes. So that I look at that. And, you know, the big thing, again, with Cam Newton is just going to be the medical checkup and how that all plays out. Because, you know, you said it. You're right. He's 30 years old. He's been beat up.

He's played the position in a style in a way that we've really never seen a quarterback play that way. So does it catch up to him? I think that's the fear. I would say no, not yet. You know, I would say that we're still going to see a few good years from Cam Newton before this is all said and done. And the big thing is, like you just said, too, I mean, you're not going to have to trade much to get them. No. Especially maybe nothing now because there's going to be no competition.

They've gone all in with Teddy Bridgewater. They've cornered himself there. So, you know, you might be able to say, hey, we're going to wait until you release them, just release them, and then we'll sign them. It might not have to trade anything. Yeah, Chris Sims. talking to you. Listen to your dad every week as well doing his radio hits during the season with that crazy Chris Russo. So I hear the whole family all the time, my man. Good talking to you. Thanks, man. Good talking to you as always. Be good, buddy. You bet. Feel better with MDrive.

Everyday supplement for dudes. Go to MDrive for Men.com. The code is heard. 20% off your first month. Energy, lean muscle, body testosterone, supplement. I take one every morning. Here's veteran newsman John Goulet. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So earlier today, I mentioned the Bears might have or were in contact with the Panthers about trading for Camden. Yeah. But obviously since then, we had some breaking news that the Bears traded a fourth round pick for Nick Foles. Now, Nagy worked with him in Kansas City.

Yes. Foles, before he went back to the Eagles, he spent one year as the backup of Kansas City and Nagy was the offensive coordinator. Yeah. So as you just talked about with Chris Sims, what is left for Cam Newton? I think the Chargers. It feels like they played musical chairs and he's the one left standing. I think the Chargers makes sense now. According to Mike Floreo Pro Football Talk, also Sims' colleague,

the Chargers are debating if they should pursue him. Not if they should sign him, if they should pursue him. The number, you can get him for nothing now. So here's my question. So yes, he only makes $19 million, which for a starting veteran quarterback in the NFL is very low. Nothing. Is he willing to play without a, he has one year left on his deal. Is he willing to play in a lame duck year?

Also, Colin, here's my question. I think either way, the Chargers are going to want to draft a quarterback with their sixth pick. You've said before that there's a lot of stuff about Cam that we don't know. Here's the thing. You just need Camp. You draft Jordan Love. You do a front-loaded deal where you pay Cam a lot for a year. And then after a year, you put in Jordan Love.

It's not a three-year deal. It's a one-year deal. Sure. Like I said, is he willing to play without an extension? And also, like you said, you said that there's a lot of. lot of stuff with Cam, the public doesn't know that the Panthers have kept hidden. Is that who you want in the quarterback room with a young impression of the quarterback? I think Cam's ability to be fascinating in a new stadium for one year.

Absolutely. It sells tickets for sure. And then you have a contingency plan. You have a young quarterback. But I will also ask this, if not the Chargers, who? Who's left? Cam's not a backup. He doesn't give you any value in the quarterback room. He's not a, that's not what he does. Right. He's not a film. He's not a bridgewater. Yeah, yeah, he's not a bridgewater. So who's going after him? If not the chargers.

I think the chargers. And I got to say, I would sit there and think to myself, okay, I'll give him $24 million for a, I'll guarantee a bunch of money. If he's got no market, they don't have to pay him a ton. They'll just say, listen, we'll give you a two-year deal. Technically, they don't have to pay him anything. If they ended up trading for him,

if you traded a late pick, the Panthers aren't going to get much for him anyway, you could just leave him on his $19 million deal. I've got to be honest with you. I the Jordan Love Charger thing in Cam Newton then draft Jordan Love you're talking yourself into it A lot of it makes sense I need that this virus is not allowing me to have lunches with influential people it is real how many stories I mean I broke the world's biggest story yesterday I'll say you beat Shepter by six hours yesterday I mean if I got to break stories I need lunches uh so we had another trade in the NFL today uh the Broncos have traded for Titans defense defensive tackle, Jarrell Casey. Older but good.

He is not a known, he's a little undervalued in terms of how much national recognition he gets. He's good. He is a really, really good player. They only traded a seventh round pick for him, not because that's what he's worth, because basically the Titans need to dump salary. They just don't want to pay him. Right. But he's a hell of a player.

He's compiled at least five sacks in each of the past seven season. So now the Broncos have Von Miller, Bradley Chub, and now this guy in the middle. They're going all in. You, I I know you said this before. You are big on the Broncos as your team that's going to shock everyone this year. Remember, you look at the Broncos this morning and you think, oh, what a bad year.

They were seven and nine. Lost two games at the one, the rest. And they didn't know who they had no quarterback. They had, so they have massively upgraded their defensive front now with Casey. They found their quarterback. To me, that's a 10 to 11 win team next year. That's another. I mean, and by the way, Vic Fangio, if you go look at his career, the second half of that season,

Remember when they just annihilated Houston in Houston? I think Denver next year is a playoff team. I really do. I really like Denver next year. And finally. Yes. So Tom Brady going to the Bucks has already had the desired effect, at least from an ownership standpoint.

The demand for Bucks season tickets has surged, even with the unofficial news that Brady will be a Buccaneer. So on Ticketmaster yesterday at one point, the amount of people waiting online, meaning you logged in and you were waiting for your chance to buy tickets, 2,900 people were waiting to buy season tickets. That's a lot of people waiting online. I don't know how long that takes, but it takes a while.

I think the difference between the bucks and the chargers, the chargers need Tom Brady to sell tickets. The bucks just need someone to be good to sell tickets. I think people, they were really low in attendance last year. I think it's mostly because everyone's seen James. And they're done with it. It's like the Mario to Tennessee. Like it's just, there's a fatigue.

Like, we're not getting where we want to get with our guy. Right. So already thousands of season. ticket orders. I think at least the glazers can be happy about that. How about that? Veteran newsman, John Goulet. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The

Heard Line News. Todd Furman, I'm told, is going to be joining us next from, we're going to check into Las Vegas, so Todd's going to join us. Casinos are all shut down. What can you bet on now? A UFC fight? Curling. Are there draft

bets? I don't know. I'm all asking. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHard Radio app. Right, welcome back. By the way, this just in from Ian Rappaport, somebody I trust, a veteran reporter. The Chargers, they're not going for Cam Newton either. They are going to go with Tyrod Taylor and draft a quarterback. Now, Tyrod's a total pro. He's like Teddy Bridgewater. You put him in the room. He's Alex Smith. total pro, respected, can win you games. Probably not somebody you're going to give a fortune to,

but the Chargers, they like their culture, and they're going to go with Tyrod Taylor and draft a quarterback. So they're not interested in Cam either. I've been saying this for years. The fan boys in the media like Cam Newton way more than all the GMs I've ever talked to. Cam's a lot of work, a lot of stuff you don't know about. There's no market for him. Chicago could have had him, Chargers could have had him, Tampa could have had him.

Nobody wants him. Totally distracted. This is a Colin was right next week, next Monday. Todd Furman, lock it in, a co-founder of Bet the Board Pod, is joining us from Las Vegas. First of all, the casinos close at what time today, Todd, like five or six? Yeah, everything will shut down in short order, Colin. And I've been out here for 15 years, never imagined a day where the casinos would completely shut down and you'd be able to walk anywhere you want on Las Vegas Boulevard without really bumping into more than two or three people. both from Tropicana all the way up to Flamingo and further on down the road.

Tom Brady to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. How did it change the odds? Move the odds a good amount. When you look at Tampa, they were about a 45 or 50 to one shot at Fox Pet going into free agency. We've seen those odds really shrink down to 19 to 1, which puts them in that same class as the Dallas Cowboys, Philadelphia Eagles, and Green Bay Packers. Wow. Kind of that second tier. And when you look at the odds for the NFC South, that's the one that we've seen an even bigger move.

They were about six to one to win the division. That number now down to a shade less than two to one, putting them only behind the Saints for Division Supremacy. Yeah, this morning when I woke up, I thought Saints won, Bucks 2. Okay, so now New England with either Andy Dalton or Jared Stidham, what are the odds, what does Fox Bet say there? It's a very different dynamic. Fox Bet is taking a little bit more precautionary approach to the Patriots.

They're still at 21 to 1 on the site. You've seen some books out here in the desert go as low as 40 to 1. I think this boils down to the simple question of how much do you really trust Bill Belichick? If you believe in his judgment, regardless of who's under center, that'll offer some value. But if you think Jared Stenham is going to have inevitable growing pains like I believe a lot of us do, I don't think 20 to 1 is enough to get me to the window anytime soon. You know, Philip Rivers, I think he's an upgrade over Jacobi Brissette. I don't think it's a massive upgrade, but these guys who have been doing it for 20 years,

They're good at the line of scrimmage. They do have a very good offensive line. So he's going to have time to throw. You know, what's Vegas and Fox Betts saying about the Colts this morning? You know, not a huge move on the Colts. 35 to 1 before the Phillip River signing, now down to 28 to 1. I think the bigger move for them was on the defensive side of the ball, going all in to get to Forrest Buckner,

trading that 13th overall pick. But I think the dynamic that's fascinating is everything that's unfolding in the AMC South. All of these teams have made big moves, whether it's Tennessee Titans, re-sign and Ryan. Antanahill and putting the franchise tag on Derek Henry. The Colts going out, adding Phillip Rivers, getting bucks, the Houston Texans, dealing DeAndre Hopkins. And, of course, the Jaguars, who are an afterthought, trading Nick Foles to the Bears.

You're looking at the Titans and Colts more or less co-favorites. The Texans take a step back at a price just shy of five to two. And the Jaguars, assuming they'll go with Gardner, Minshew, the real long shot on the board at 9-1. You know, we were just talking about this. I've never been a huge Cam fan. I think he's an average player who had one sensational year. now he's injury prone, distracted, not an accurate thrower, 85, 86 passer rating. That's just what he is, never had back-to-back winning seasons since the MVP.

He's 23 wins, 23 losses, and I do think he had a good coach, good running back, Steve Smith and Greg Olson. Are you surprised there's no market for him? You know, honestly, not really. I think he's got to go to a situation where he can be a perfect fit. And one of the big sticking points, if I'm an NFL GM right now, knowing the moratorium on getting physicals for some of these players. You don't know exactly what you're getting with Cam.

I'd have to see the medical quite personally before I was willing to sign off on him, dealing with the lower body injury. We know his accuracy was a major concern with that shoulder. I think Cam's going to find himself in a spot, maybe similar to James Winston, where they're going to have to sign on his backup, hope that the chips fall the right way for them, and they can reassert their dominance as a number one starting quarterback

for a team that finds themselves in a little bit of peril without a true bona fide number one on the roster. All right. Who are the top five NFL Super Bowl favorites this morning, Todd? It is the list of usual suspects, Colin. Of course, the defending Super Bowl champions, Kansas City Chiefs at 6 to 1. The Ravens at 7.5 to 1, leading the 49ers, 8.5 to 1. And then it's the Saints at 12 to 1 before you really start to drop down to the aforementioned.

Cowboys, Eagles, Packers, and Buck. I'm still stunned that we're still talking about, you know, the Tampa Bay Bucks. I know they got Tom Brady and you can trust their coaching staff, But you know as well as I do. This is a franchise with a longstanding drought of getting the postseason. amazed to see people running to the window to try and back the buck in such a short number. I'm surprised Seattle's not higher. If not for the cluster injury at running back, I think they would have gone to Lambo and beaten Green Bay.

What's Seattle at now? Seattle right there behind Tampa. They're 20 to 1. So they're in kind of that next set with the Steelers, with the Patriot, Bills, and Rams. So you're talking about kind of three clear distinctions, and then things really start to get modeled once you get out of that 20, to one range with the Colts for teams to take a precipitous drop-off to like the Titans, the Browns, Texans, what have you from that lot going down. Todd Furman Lockettin, co-founder of Bet the Board Pod.

By the way, you would know this, having worked at Caesars. I was always told, you know, sports books are there for men. So while people, you know, to keep them in the casino, watch a game while the wife is maybe doing something else, the kids are doing something else, you keep the guy in the sports book. sports books being basically closed now. What percentage of profits does a casino lean on? If a casino did not have a sports book, is it devastating if you go six months

without a bet in a sports book when the casino's opened back up? You know, honestly, not devastating during the summer months by any stretch of the imagination. But when you look at the month of March in just Nevada, $500 million would have been bet on basketball alone with about 70% expected to come in on the NCAA terms.

So when you take that revenue out, not that big in a vacuum, but you're talking about hotel rooms. You're talking about restaurants and all the ancillary revenue streams that come along with it. So sports betting in and of itself, more or less just a driver. But the fact that we're talking about a full-scale casino shutdown, something I don't think you ever would have imagined while you worked out here. And I definitely would have 15 years ago when I moved out to the desert to start working in this industry. By the way, my son's school got canceled on Monday. when you drive around Vegas is there.

So casinos down, schools are they all closed? I think they're all closed, aren't they? Yep, schools are down now, and they've gone to kind of a full shutdown at this point. For other, anything not a non-essential services, you could be outside of a trader Joe this morning, and there were about 75 to 100 people waiting in line to try and pick up some of those staples. So, Colin, I think what this will create is an epidemic in card counters when everybody has all this idle time behind closed doors

to try and figure out how they're going to make their small fortune when these casinos open back up. Todd Furman, good talking to you, my man. Stay safe. Always a pleasure. You do the same, Con. All right, thank you. So that's where we're at today. I want to thank everybody who stopped by. Good, good stuff. Chris Sims, Nick Wright, Jay Glazer, stop by.

I still think we have, you all go back and say it. I think OBJ in Cleveland, I think somebody's going to make a move on him. We found out today the market for Cam Newton is very small, if at all. Chicago went and got Nick Foles. Raiders got Marcus Marietta. Tampa got Tom Brady. Carolina got Teddy Bridgewater. A report out by Ian Rappaport, who I trust, is Tyrod Taylor and draft the quarterback. There's no market for Cam, not much of one. And I've always thought the media likes him more than the football people I talk to.

You know, the media is, there's a lot of pom-pom waivers in the media and they like him, but he's not accurate. he's not dependable, he's now hurt, and he's not even the best running quarterback. And how committed is he? Yeah, and he can't give him a physical. Not much of a market. We'll see you tomorrow, live in L.A. It's the hurt.

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