The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Tom Brady, Rob Gronkowski, Bill Belichick, Joe Burrow, and Jimmy Garoppolo

Episode Date: April 22, 2020

Colin discusses Tom Brady being reunited with Rob Gronkowski, what it says about Bill Belichick, why Joe Burrow will fail with the Bengals, and why the 49ers were considering moving on from Jimmy Garoppolo. Guests include Nick Wright, Joel Klatt, Calais Campbell, and Greg Cosell. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Joy Taylor is here. I've got Joel Clat one hour from now. Callias Campbell of the Ravens. I have them as the best team in the NFL going forward. Greg CoSell, Nick Wright later this hour. Joy, how are you in a Wednesday? We're very, very close to the draft. I am

great. I'm excited for the draft and man, the NFL is just the gift that keeps on giving, huh? Gronk. So, Gronk, according to Ian Rappaport on WEEI Radio in Boston this morning, it was planned all along. Gronk

wanted to follow Tom Brady. Gronk wasn't done with football. He was done with Belichick, much like Tom Brady. Not done with football. Done with the system, the culture, and the rigid nature of Bill Belichick. This is not about just

productivity. Gronks passed his prime, struggles to stay healthy. This is about comfort. When little kids go on the road, they take maybe a blanket, or a teddy bear. Gronk is a six-foot, six and a half pacifier for Tom Brady.

He's given him comfort on a road trip for a couple of years, maybe just one. He also can spread the gospel of Tom. I've traveled cross-country three times. I always take somebody with me. Why? Because I don't want to waste any time. Somebody else can explain what I'm about the demeanor, what he likes, what Tom doesn't like, what are his habits, what does he accomplish, what is he.

expect. Gronk can spread it through the locker room as Tom is memorizing the playbook and figuring out the idiosyncrasies of Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. And now also, they have three tight ends in Tampa. O.J. Howard is the most talented, but the most expensive. And they'll probably shop him and get a draft pick third or potentially fourth rounder. But it should be noted. Do not downplay this. This matters. This is. the Miami Heat team with LeBron adding a guy there, a Mike Miller there. Remember that Miami Heat team and LeBron and Tom Brady have a pied piper effect. Veterans will take a pay cut.

Move to Florida. No state tax. Fun head coach, Bruce Arian. Play with a goat. Get on TV. It helps your brand. Don't kid yourself. Every time Miami would go out and get like a Mike Miller and you'd be like,

well, what's it matter? All Mike Miller needed was one. good quarter in a playoff game. Three, hit three threes in a playoff game. Boom, that's the difference. Shane Badeier. Shane Badee didn't need to be great in a seven-game series. He needed to have a dominating half.

He needed to get red-hot once. LeBron carried the team. D. Wade was necessary. Chris Bosh had to be big. Everything else, you got little bits and pieces. Can gronk two times next year in big games against one against the Saints and one against Atlanta, be a matchup nightmare in the red zone and have a touchdown. That's worth the 10 million. If Gronk can make two big red zone catches, one against

the Saints and one against the Falcons, and it helps them win. That's why Fox bet this morning move the Super Bowl odds up for Newing for Tampa to fourth in the NFL. It's a little incremental increase. It matters. Don't downplay this thing. Win total, nine to nine and a half. That's a different bet, right? NFC, now currently number three in the NFC. It matters. When Miami was building, you had three guys that were the cornerstones.

LeBron, Wade, and Bosch, and then you had a good coach. But everybody else mattered. You know, everybody else, Mike Miller, bang, bang, two big threes against the spurs. Shane Batier, a great half. That's all it matters. Once you get the stars in place, same with Golden State. Same with Golden State. It wasn't all about Durant.

You add a guy here, a guy takes a pay cut there. Oh, David West got two big rebounds in that game. And I think, and by the way, the Buccaneers, this came down, according to Rick Stroud. The Buccaneers are happy to have O.J. Howard, the tied-in line up with Gronk and two tight-in formations. unless they're, quote, blown away with a trade offer. Translation, please call us. We are taking incoming calls in Tampa. And never forget this.

Here's another little thing, is that in the last six games for Tampa last year, I am a huge fan of Todd Bowles. I thought he was excellent with the Jets, but he just wasn't a head coach. He was a great vice president. in the last six games last year. Todd Bowles, the defensive coordinator for Tampa,

in that division, Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, in that division. Last six games, Tampa led the NFL in sacks and fewest yards allowed per play. This is a real team. Tom did not end up in a dumpster fire rebuild. You got an experienced coach. an improving defense, great weapons, and now you just added your 6-foot-6 pacifier, Gronk.

Even Fox bet the numbers are moving, and they should. Is he worth half? Is his comfort? But remember, never forget this, how big Gronk was the year they won the Super Bowl against the Rams. Remember the catch he had against Kansas City? The game-changing catch. Remember the catch he had against the Rams in the Super Bowl? He had two catches in those two games.

Both were vital for New England winning close. All right, let's go to the other side of this. New England got a fourth round pick for a retired player. Only New England. That's like trading a weak old bagel and getting a surloid. It's ridiculous. They got a fourth rounder for a retired player. New England wants a quarterback.

We've been saying this. are they letting their kicker go and their linebackers go. And they didn't even wait on this. I'm reading the story this morning. Belichick was like, yep, have him. Go ahead. Take him. Just give us a draft pick.

Why? Because New England wants a quarterback. The only question, and it will be answered tomorrow. Do they want one of these guys? Or are they willing to wait for Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields next year? We'll know the answer by tomorrow. I have been banging on this. Peter King reported earlier this week, they like Justin Herbert.

I like Justin Herbert more than everybody else. I think the Chargers move up to get Justin Herbert. But just ask yourself, this is why you've got to keep your eye out. So New England now, by getting another pick, has 22 picks in the next two years. Because they're going to get three compensatory picks next year. They got 12 this year. So they have 12 now, 10. That's just what they have now.

You also know they're willing to get rid of any player outside of Stefan Gilbord to get more picks. Why do they have all those picks? Because they want to bundle them and move up. Now, my speculation has been they're going to be average this year, a seven and nine team in an improved division, and close enough next year to give somebody seven picks to get one of those two quarterbacks. Maybe the Jags get Trevor Lawrence. They go get Justin Fields. But, but, but, but, but never forget, is Belichick saying this? You know how like when you work at a place a long time you have a lot of like relationships. Like if you worked in the pharmacy industry for 30 years or, you know, any business.

You're working at 30 years. You have a lot of contacts. I mean, Joy and I have worked in the media for a lot of years. You just know a lot of people. Never forget this. If New England, because everything's about relationships in life, if New England wants to move up, they have 12 picks. They have a lot of draft capital.

And Belichick will move off anybody except Stefan Gilmore the corner. I think he really would stay with him. Other than that, they'd move off anybody to get more picks. well Colin Cincinnati's going to take Joe Burrow yeah and Washington it's probably going to take I mean Colin they're probably going to take Chase Young

yeah but the number three team is Detroit the GM and the coach are former Patriots they could sure use six picks New England's got 12 well whoa whoa what about so what oh Belichick drafted

Cliff Kingsbury Arizona's got the eighth pick relationship. Belichick called the Jags owner and recommended Doug Marone be the head coach. Jags have the ninth pick. San Francisco, Belichick, Mike Shanahan. A lot of respect. They already worked a deal.

Belichick did the Niners. A solid. They have two first round picks. Think about this. This is crazy, Joy. The teams in this draft, the coach at the number three team, the number four team, and the number five team are former Patriots. they got all sorts of draft capital and all sorts of relationship. Three, four, and five teams, former Patriot coaches.

The eighth pick, the coach there, Belichick drafted him. The ninth team, Belichick got the head coach a job. Just saying, folks, New England is shredding talent. They're letting their kicker go. Jamie Collins go. Van Newe go. Gronk, take him. And they're not replacing him.

Why didn't New England take one of, They don't have a tight end. Tampa's got three. Why didn't they just take a tight end? They don't want a tight end. They wanted a draft pick. They have now three tight ends. O.J. Howard, his backup.

Gronk, they need a tight end. This is not a good tight end draft. There's like two anybody likes. New England's like, nah, just give us a nerve pick. 22 next two years. They're shedding talent. So we'll know by tomorrow. Either New England's moving up tomorrow to the three spot with a bunch of former Patriots,

Joe Judge Giants. I mean, they'll make deals with anybody. You know, Belichick, he moves, he's a mover and shaker. He may whiff on some draft picks, but you go look at his history. He'll move up, he'll move down. He is not the Bengals. He is wildly active on draft days. Very excited.

Got a fourth rounder for a retired player. It didn't even, and they got a cap relief because they were allowed to trade him. So Tampa pays him. 10 million for a year. The draft is tomorrow. It's just incredibly exciting. A Nick Wright next hour, Joel Clatt, Toppa next. And coming up next.

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I have them as a B-plus prospect. That is a higher-rated prospect than I had Deshawn Watson, who I thought was a B because I didn't like his, I didn't think he was a great thrower of the football. And it's been proven that Deshawn's not a great thrower of the football. He's a great athlete. He's getting better at it, but he's inconsistent. Burroughs a better thrower with the football.

So I have Burrow as a higher rated prospect than I did Deshawn Watson. And Deshawn's been a lot of what I think, which is an amazing athlete and a winner, good enough to overcome some dysfunction. But he can't win a lot of playoff games because even as great as he is, there's just too many holes for Houston. And now let's go to Cincinnati. I think Joe Burrow is a B-plus prospect.

I do not think he is good enough to overcome the Bengals. I think he's good enough to win some games. He'll make the Bengals better. There's no question. But there's a reason John Elway refused to play for the first team that was going to draft him. And there's a reason Andrew Luck's no longer in the league. And those guys are better prospects than Burrow. You just can't overcome awful roster, owner, this, that.

You can't. And, I mean, again, Elway, would not go to the first team that was going to draft him. So he went to Denver, who, by the way, the Boland family, great owners, who built a great business. But just think about this. Last year, there were 23 pro bowlers in the AFC North. The Bengals had one. Cleveland had three times more.

Baltimore had 13 times more. Steelers had six times more. So I thought to myself, here, if I did a starting offense and defense in the AFC North, that's the Steelers, the Ravens, the Browns, the Bengals. Here's who would start. Quarterback, Lamar Jackson. Running back Nick Chubb. Receivers, Odell, Beckham, and J.J. Green has been hurt the last two years. Tight end, Mark Andrews are the Ravens.

Ronnie Stanley left tackle Ravens. Left guard from the Browns. Center from the Steelers. Right guard, right tackle. Steelers, Browns, David DeCastro, Jake Conklin. Jack Conklin, who's, by the way, new for the Browns. Not a single bangle. Not one.

By the way, Justin Tucker, kicker, Ravens. So you don't have the special team guy of note. Nobody in the offense. Defense. Edge rushers, Miles Garrett Brown, T.J. Watt Steelers. Interior, first bingled. Gino Atkins. Also, Cameron Hayward of the Steelers.

Linebackers, there's a bunch of them. Bud Debris, Devon Bush, Matt Judon Ravens, Marlon Humphrey, Ravens, defensive backs. Marlon Humphrey, Marcus Peters, Minka Fitzpatrick, Earl Thomas, Ravens, Steelers. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. One bingo.

One bangle. Oh, by the way, coaches. Tomlin Super Bowls, Super Bowls, Bingles coach, no Super Bowls. Owners, Rooney, Steve Boshadie, way better in Baltimore and Pittsburgh. General managers. Does anybody draft better than Pittsburgh?

Maybe Baltimore? So forget the owner disparity. Forget the roster disparity. Forget the coach disparity. Forget the executive disparity. Just look around. Can Joe Burrell overcome that? No.

The Bengals. have drafted five quarterbacks all-time first round. None have ended up with the winning record. And I'm a hater for suggesting the sixth won't either. For the record, he won't LSU when everything was lined up. He didn't win at LSU his junior year when everything wasn't lined up, did he? He was average.

When he had a great team, his last year, everything lined up. He won. You think everything's lined up in Cincinnati? Andy, arguably the worst owner, the worst front office, the worst roster. We don't know, we suspect it could be the worst coach. I don't know, Zach Taylor could be very good. I hope he is. I thought last year he showed some promise.

I thought they got better. But just look at their schedule just next year. Bingles twice. Bingles have to face the Ravens twice. They're not close. Steelers twice. Browns twice. Eagles, Cowboys roster is much better.

Chargers, Texans, Titans, all better. 11 games. They'll be an underdog. maybe they'll win one. But are they going to win the remaining five? They're all favored with a rookie quarterback without an OTA and maybe down to preseason? It's not that I don't like him. He's a very good prospect.

But be realistic here. It's the Bengals. This division now, I'll make an argument. Raven Steelers Browns are the three most talented defensive rosters in the first three in the NFL right now. If you take every division, the first three, teams and you compiled the best defensive players. You can't tell me the Ravens, Browns, and Steelers wouldn't be it. You could make a Pro Bowl defensive team just on the Browns, the Ravens, and the Steelers,

just on those three. It's almost like I said yesterday. You can make a Pro Bowl roster in the NFC South just on the Saints, the Buccaneers, and the Falcons, and even throw in, by the way, Carolina. You can make a Pro Bowl offense just on that. division that could rival any in football. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no, turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. Well, some pretty surprising news about Gronk yesterday and his return to the NFL, and it improved the buck's odds for next season. According to Fox bet, Tampa has the fourth best odds to win the Super Bowl, moving from plus 1,600 to plus 1,200. Yes. odds when the NFC went from plus 800 to plus 650 and their odds to win the division went from plus 190 to plus 150. But they still are second to the Saints.

And their win total went up from nine to nine and a half. It's something. It makes Tom comfortable. And you know what's funny, Joy, if you go look at Grong the last couple years when he played, it wasn't about productivity. It was about occasional big catches in big spots. Super Bowl against the Rams. AFC Championship against the Chiefs. It was not about massive productivity.

He was hurt a lot. He clearly lost a step. So this is a lot about comfort and momentum. And I think that's worth half a win. I agree with you that it's totally about comfort. The one thing that does concern me is Gronk's body. Because unless this was Gronks planned when he originally retired, then so he knows that he can bounce back to, you know, bulking up.

But Gronk has lost a significant amount of weight. So the blocking, you know, gronk that we saw the last time he was in the NFL, I don't know if that's the same gronk that we're going to see. Gronk's always in an amazing, amazing shape. I mean, he's a specimen, so I'm not concerned about that. But, you know, your game has to change a little bit after you're out of the league for a year. That said, I totally agree. It's all about comfort with gronk.

And I love the Miami Heat comparison because those are little pieces, those little moments. And we know that gronk is an unbelievably clutch player. and they have a great relationship. However different Brady and Grunk's personalities are, they've clearly always clicked. They have a great trust with each other. And I'm really excited to see this now.

And weirdly, this is kind of a place and environment that Gronk probably will thrive in because this is his personality. He's all about fun and enjoying life and enjoying football. And he said when he retired, he was not enjoying football. He was in a lot of pain. Yeah.

So maybe this year off will end up being good for his body. You know, he'll have a little rest. So I'm looking forward to it. And I'm not surprised that everything is the odds have changed for them because this is a comfort thing. And especially in this situation, with the pandemic going on, this is somebody he doesn't have to get on the same page with. Yep. Fans have may have been surprised when the Texans traded DeAndre Hopkins, but apparently he wasn't. In an interview with Sports Illustrated, Hopkins said that he did want out of Houston and he knew that asking for a.

raise would make it happen. He also confirmed that he and head coach Bill O'Brien were not on good terms. He said there was no relationship. Make sure you put that in there. There's not a lot to speak about. Yeah. Well, this is kind of what we assumed was going on, that there was a little bit of an issue between Hopkins and O'Brien. But it seems there was another layer to it that it wasn't, it was not surprising to him that he was going to get traded if he asked for more money and that he wanted out of Houston. I think he's in a great situation now. Houston, not so sure, but I do think we need to give this a little bit of time to see how this trade is going to end up playing out. I mean, D'Andre Hopkins is an incredible talent, and he's going to be working with Kyler Murray,

who you like very much and I think is still developing, but it's not on Deshaun Watson's level as up yet. But again, I always go back to with this particular situation, it's not so much about DeAndre Hopkins. I just don't know if Bill O'Brien is the right coach for Deshawn Watson. And Deshawn Watson is just such a fun, exciting, electric talent to watch. I want to see him thrive. And I don't know if that's going to end up happening in Houston. It's kind of what you were just talking about with Burrow. I love Burrow. But is he going to be able to reach his full potential of what I think he can in Cincinnati? I don't know. And that's kind of disappointing. Sometimes we have these incredible talents that go to places that don't necessarily work for

them or don't bring the best out of them. And then we kind of, they miss out on years of their career. Yeah. No, I mean, Hopkins is going to flourish, I think, in Arizona. I think they're going to put their arms around him. They've got Larry Fitzgerald, too, which he's, again, he's a classic comfort guy. He lubricates it. So I think DeAndre Hopkins won. We'll see if Houston did. But, you know, mobility is, it's not a terrible thing. I mean, DeAndre Hopkins, if I don't have a relationship with my bosses, maybe it is time to go. Maybe it's time. Cliff Kingsbury, Kiner Murray, Steve Kime. I don't have a problem with mobility.

I've moved a bunch of times in my life. If you don't feel loved by your employer, DeAndre Hopkins, get a new deal, go to Arizona. I'll tell you who's going to enjoy it. Kyler Murray, he's thrilled with it. That's a great situation for him. Get him all the talent and veteran talent that you can. Finally, Dak Prescott is set to earn $31.4 million under the franchise tag this year, but he and the Cowboys are still working on a long-term deal.

And Jerry Jones remains confident that it will eventually get done. I don't have a time frame. It's not in a list of priorities, as you could imagine, with everything that we all are dealing with, as well as what we're doing with the draft. No surprise that we're sitting here relative to where we are without a long-term agreement. What is the issue here and the challenge is how do we have communication with everyone and do the best we can with what we've got to be. fair to everyone. What the league is doing as it pertains to getting our team ready, DACs are very much a part of that. They're also not ruling out drafting another quarterback. Jerry Jones said Mike wants a certain number of quarterbacks in the building, ideally to be working with, and he has really good background developing quarterbacks,

as we know, talking about Mike McCarthy. Jones says he doesn't feel any pressure to take a cornerback either. They have seven total picks in the draft, and the first is the 17th overall. I do think it's interesting that they aren't against drafting a quarterback. Listen, the messaging is not great for DAC. They keep telling me they're just going to get right to it. I've been telling me that for six months. It's been a very long time. But the drafting a quarterback thing, if you are, you know, a first round pick

or, you know, a high pick and, you know, you feel like you're the franchise quarterback, that might not make you so nervous. But DAC is a fourth round rookie quarterback. So it's drafting another quarterback might put a little, a little heat on him. It's not like he's a guy who is secure in his position, feels secure in his position as a franchise quarterback of the Cowboys. Joy with news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. My buddy, Nick Wright, sponsor, my Mercedes Benz, the best or nothing is now joining us, a host of First Things First in the morning. All right, let's start with Gronk. I think he's a six-foot-six-six binkie.

He's the big pacifier. He's comfort as Tom Brady goes on the road. I do think it matters. I said this, the Miami Heat. Mike Miller may have only had three or four big shots in a playoff series. That's fine. Grunk only made one or two huge catches last year. They were pivotal.

I do think it makes New England better. Tampa Bay better. What say you? Yeah, absolutely. Of course it makes them better. Listen, Rob Grunkowski, on a per game basis, is the greatest tied in an NFL history. I understand that 2018 was one of his least productive seasons, but their two biggest games of the year.

ASC championship game in Arrowhead. Who made the biggest plays of the game? Rob Gruncowski, the Super Bowl, who made the only substantial offensive play by either team in that Super Bowl? Rob Gruncowski, and that's the last time we saw him play. And so now he's got a year off. We know he's still in shape.

You know, he's right now currently. Does he have to advocate the WWE 24th? seven title or does the first guy who tackle him just get it? I'm not sure how that works, but it definitely helps Brady. It definitely helps Tampa. And Tampa now has the most talented group of past catchers in the NFC. I just look at the bucks, Colin, and I know you're not going to want to hear this, but I feel like, damn, the bucks are a quarterback away from being a really good team.

You're such a jerk. All right. By the way, you're a lot more fun than I am. So I could see you leaving New England to go to Tampa and just have a good time in Ebor City. I, of course, am all serious and boring, so I would have stayed in New England. But what happens if Brady and Gronk flourish in Tampa? What does that say about Belichick? Well, that is such a fascinating question.

But first of all, I love the initial premise because, you know, if only we lived in a universe where one could envision possibly Colin Gower leaving a cold weather, northeastern cities for a warmer weather better city with you know maybe a more laid black laid back corporation i can't imagine that ever actually happening but maybe one day we could um so here's the deal i think bellichick made the right call i think bellichick made the right call on brady and he will be proven correct however i have been wrong before it's rare but it happens if brady and gronk are awesome this upcoming year then what it means for belichick is this the two greatest New England Patriot players ever, both of whom ostensibly would have always

wanted to play for the Patriots had they been treated or respected a certain way, are thriving elsewhere because Belichick didn't want them anymore. Belichick tried to trade Grank two years ago, and it took Gronk threatening to retire to Nick that. Tom Brady desperately wanted a contract extension year after year, and Belichick wouldn't give it to him. If they're awesome this year, not only will it look bad for Belichick in 2020, but retroactively, Colin, more and more people will blame Belichick for the failures of 2019.

The failures of the offense in 2019, which I have laid at the feet mostly of Brady, but many people have laid at the feet of his weapons. The weapons component will be proven correct if Brady is awesome this year with all these weapons. So it is, to me, an incredible gamble Belichick is taking, has taken from the moment he decided not to bring Brady back, which speaks to what I think must be his utter certainty that Tom Brady is no longer an above average NFL quarterback. That's interesting. All right, so I watched this Michael Jordan documentary. So I watched it live and I, you know, there were games I would cover him.

And it did it, there was, I didn't learn a ton. I do think it's amazing. They had all this NAA tape without iPhones on Scotty Pippen. They had like seven different videos of him. That was fascinating to me. But I will say this. I know you like LeBron, but that confrontational alpha male MJ thing, you know, current NBA players bothered by tweets.

You know, it's hard not to look at that doc and think Michael's, he is above it all. He is very alpha. You know what? Boy, if I'm going either way, I think I like Michael more today. What's your take on that? Yeah, so listen, I think the doc is tremendous, and I think it speaks to the folks that are in the Jordan is the goat camp, their natural insecurity, that they couldn't watch a two-hour documentary on Michael Jordan without immediately thinking of the actual goat, LeBron James. But my takeaways were slightly different. One of them was, you know, I didn't know Jordan hit a buzzer-beater to win the championship as a freshman.

I knew he had a jump shot with about 20 seconds left, but in the documentary, that was a plumber beater. Walk off shot. Now, that's not actually what happened, but hey, through the lens of history, things change. But my bigger takeaway was this, Colin, and I said this on the television show, and I will say it again,

and I say it with no disrespect to pressing company. My biggest takeaway from the doc was, old people be lying. And by that I mean this. I am told by the older generation that the bane of the NBA's existence is Zion Williamson coming back from an injury and being on a minute's restriction. Then I watch a Bulls game in 1986, and Michael Jordan was on a second restriction.

The GM came down and said, don't you dare put him back in. I'm told the worst thing that ever happened to the NBA was teams tanking. And then I watched a documentary. And in 1986, there was talk of the Bulls tanking out of the playoffs. And I am told that in this alpha male era, Jordan dominated. that today's players couldn't hack it in. It's because today's players are too friendly, AAU culture and all that.

And then I see in 1986, Michael Jordan was golfing with Danny Aange in between playoff games. And I say, oh, what's old is new, what's new is old, and these old people that are year year of walking five miles uphill in the snowmowways, they just been lying the whole time. So that was my biggest takeaway, but I thought it was an amazing piece.

on the second or third greatest player ever. I look forward to the 15-hour documentary on Kareem and then eventually the 20-hour documentary on LeBron. Okay. I am a... Nick Wright joining us. So, I am a believer in... If you can pay your mortgage and pay for your kids' college

and put some money away for retirement and you still have money left over, then you know what? You owe it to yourself to put a little money in a startup company with a big risk, but a big reward. The Miami Dolphins have solved some of their defensive stuff. They have momentum. The coach is going to be there for a while. They have now, what, 14, 15 picks, three in the first round, multiple in the first and second

round next two years. Nine, I think. They owe it to themselves to roll the dice on Tua. I don't care about his hip. They've got so much ground covered in the draft, their momentum. them. They have a quarterback for a year that can play. I think they have to draft, if available to a. Your thoughts? A thousand percent correct. And the Miami Dolson can come out of this draft with, I believe, the best quarterback, with a stud-wide receiver, whoever's there at 18,

a legitimate offensive lineman at 26, still have two first-round picks, as you mentioned, next year and short circuit and shortcut this entire rebuild. It would be going into the season before Tua got hurt and before Joe Burroughs floated onto the scene. The thought process was the dolphins are going to go one in 15, but it'll be worth it because they'll get two of it with the first overall pick. They ended up winning a handful of games, including the critical game in week 17, that knocked New England out of the buy.

they fall to the fifth pick. If they still can get Tua and then they go on to get, you know, use those other first round picks instead of trading up to get quality blue chip guys, I feel like it is incredibly, you know, the arrows pointing up, as you will, for the dolphins. I agree with you a thousand percent. I think Tua, if he's there at five and they don't take him, then they deserve to once again be on the quarterback treadmill they've been on since Dan Marina. Nick Wright, very funny today. First things first.

You continue to do great work. I'm listening all the time and watching, Nick. Good talking to you, buddy. Thank you. You as well. Congrats on the amazing radio and television numbers. Joy. It's great to talk to you as well. See you soon. All right. Good stuff. So, yesterday, Roger Goodell takes a lot of criticism, and I've talked about this before. Nobody likes anybody. They don't like Trudeau in Canada. They don't like Trump. They didn't like Obama. They don't like Gary Bettman. They don't like Adam Silver. They don't like Roger Goodell. Social media, everybody hates everybody. I think Roger Goodell is a great commissioner, and I thought he did something great today.

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I like crunchy. And my daughter made me an amazing coffee yesterday. She took decaf, she grounded up, and it was something on the internet, and she put oat milk in there and topped off with it. It was amazing. We're having so much fun in this crisis because I'm getting so much time with

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when leagues are going to come back. I have my personal opinions on this, but I do believe I have some responsibility to be optimistic and hopeful. And frankly, I just don't No. Roger Goodell this morning was on a show GetUp on the other network. And I want to thank him. He gets a lot of heat. He just would not engage like the Yukon president two days ago. The Yukon president, fall sports are done. Had to come back later in the day and say, yeah, I was just making that crap up. I don't have any information.

I mean, that's literally what's happening. School presidents out there. It's over. It's April 22nd. The NFL's in September. Folks, the NBA just shut down the season five weeks ago. It seems like six months ago. It was March. We don't know anything. Here's Roger Goodell. You've got to make decisions with the facts that you have.

People who project where we're going to be, you know, two weeks or now, much less three months from now. You know, it's speculative still. We don't know. And I think, you know, I don't like to engage in the speculation business. I like to deal with facts. Thank you. Thank you. We just don't know yesterday.

I'll give you a prime example. I refuse to speculate. The only thing I've ever said on this, when it first came out, Joey was here. I said this is going to be a much longer story than people think. It's not going to be a three, four months story. It's going to be a spring, summer story. It looks like now it's a spring, summer, fall, winter story.

And the second thing I said is social distancing seems to work, although there's some pushback on that. But I think it matters, so let's all social distance. And I also say, hey, I wear masks now everywhere. I'm okay with it. I go jogging. I have a T-shirt. I pull it up, pulled down, whatever.

But it's April 22nd. Stop trying to guess what's going to happen September 10th. We don't know what's going to, we don't know what's going to happen a month from now. Yesterday, a story came out late yesterday in Santa Clara County in Los Angeles, north of Los Angeles, that a coroner said a man that passed away February 6 had COVID-19. Well, you don't catch it and die the next day. So that means mid-January. We know it was in the country.

Mid-January. And I doubt the first person who had it died. Because if you look at this, Joy and I have talked about this, half the people or more are asymptomatic or had mild symptoms. So I doubt the first person that got it passed away. And if he passed away on February 6th, he didn't get it February 5th. You get it. It takes a while. Then there's symptoms.

Then you get sick. Then you go to the hospital and hopefully overcome it. mid-January at the latest he got it the man who's diseased meaning it was here in January and not just with him we just don't know we just don't have any idea i've told you december january in my town everybody was getting sick coughing hot flashes and achy we all went to the doctor and they said you don't have the flu you don't test for the flu we're all like we're sick no not at all it was all over my town so i don't know if that was COVID I was just weird. My doctor said. He goes, it was so weird in December and January here. Everybody was

coming and coughing, hacking, and hot. They didn't have the flu. Nobody knows. I'm just telling you what my doctor told me. So I like that Roger Goodell, and I'm to the point now where one of the only other things I know is that strangely, bizarrely and inexplicably, it doesn't hurt young people. I don't know why. It is punitive to older people, not to younger kids. And so if you have great lung capacity, no underlying health issues, under 24, you know, like a pro athlete, that could be the safest people. They're asymptomatic or very, very mild symptoms. So I tend to think if you can get stuff going in sports, especially two-person things, boxing,

tennis, UFC, golf, NASCAR, I think you go for it. But I don't know anything. And Roger Goodell doesn't know anything. And it's okay to just acknowledge once in a while, I'm into data. I don't have any data. And when you have data with this thing, it changes every single day. I mean, every day I read a story. I read the New York Times every morning, the L.A. Times every morning.

Every day, there's something I'm like, oh, I'll tell you this. They're going to make movies about this and write books about this. And it's going to be, it's fascinating what they'll be saying in two years. Because I think there's going to be major surprises. I'm going to call yesterday to a friend. I said, can somebody explain to me how it's not tough on kids? Influenza is brutal on kids. scary. Like scary. This isn't. Can somebody explain that to me? I just don't get it. I don't understand that. So they'll make a movie about that. But I love Roger Goodell saying, I don't know. UConn president is predicting false sports are done. You've got to be kidding me. They may be, but you don't have any information on that. It's April 22nd. That's September 10th. And for the record, I think all these sports, I mean, they're all, I think the NFL says, all right, we're going to start October 10th.

Well, that would be six months from now. So I think everybody's willing to move. The NFL may say, you know what? We're just going to move the season back a month. I think all, Goodell said it this morning, we will adjust to the virus. It will tell us what we can do. All right, hour two, Joel Klats got another mock draft. Man, he doesn't like Justin Herbert.

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Joel Clatt in five minutes, he's got a new mock draft out. I have a mock draft out, too. Go to my Twitter account and Fox Bet. go ahead and rip it to shreds. I have Isaiah Simmons, who I love falling, because basically people, you know, let me say this about the draft. This always cracks me up. Joy Taylor is joining me.

So, Joy, when you go to the grocery store, do you go buy stuff on value, or do you buy what you need? I buy what I need. Of course you do. If I have a rake at home, and I go to the store, and they have rakes on sale,

and I get a couple rakes, And I come home. My wife says, where's the milk? I said, well, you know, I didn't buy what we needed. I purchased the best value. The biggest con is all these NFL guys saying, no, no, no, it's not about what you need. You draft the best player available. What a con that is.

But a lot of people do that, though. Well, well, if you. People that, like, clip coupons and just go buy stuff because it's a good sale. Yeah, those people are not who you want to hang out with. Let me just say this. If you're a terrible roster, that's what you do. Like if you are just Miami right now, after Miami addresses the quarterback, you know, they know they've got like, they could use outside a corner, they just need players. I get that five or six teams, you're garbage.

Like Jacksonville, Miami, just go get dudes. but most teams are either eight or ten teams or Super Bowl teams. Another 15 are viable. I mean, let's be honest. The bottom of the NFL is pretty small, joy. Jacksonville's going to be a tire fire. After that, who's terrible? I mean, you watch all those, I thought the Raiders would be.

I watched them last year. Nah, Raiders got good young players. They're not terrible. Well, Denver, I don't know. Looks like Denver won seven games last year, and they're getting better. There's not a lot of terrible in this league. So my point is, people overwhelmingly, they draft what they need. Bill Belichick is always going.

Now, not about, that's funny. You lost Dionne Lewis and you drafted a running back, Sony Michelle in the first round. You needed a left tackle, and you went and drafted the kid out of Georgia that can't stay healthy. It's funny. Last year, you went and got Nikiel Harry because you guys have bad receivers. Was Nikiel Harry really a top 30 player in the draft? I liked him, and I didn't think he was a top 30 player in the draft. You really thought he was a top 30 athlete in the draft player.

No, you needed a wide receiver. And by the way, New England is reportedly like the tight end with one of their draft picks. Is Cole Hammett, the kid that plays at Notre Dame, one of the 25 best athletes? No, he's a good player. He's maybe the best tight end. He's the first or second best tight end. But they need a tight end. I just don't buy, I don't know why the NFL guys, it's this, we just take the best player available.

A couple years ago, I'm in the Chargers War Room. And they do a really, Tom Telasco does a very good job drafting. And they knew going into the draft, the last two drafts, they're like, we're not good up the middle. We have great corners and great rush ends. But they knew the middle of their defense was getting gashed. Well, they got Derwin James, a hard hitting safety. And then they got Jerry Tiller last year. And they went, Nuoso, the linebacker from USC.

They went and got guys that can play around the middle and stop the run. And they, by the way, I was in it. I will report it now. They tried to trade for a defensive tackle. I won't tell you who and where, but it was early in the draft. They tried to trade for defensive tackle. So they wanted to get another player through the middle. This idea, it's just whoever's on the board, best player available, nonsense,

unless you're just the dregs of the league. And then, of course, you just have to get better. Is clat about ready? Clat in two minutes. Here's the other thing. You know, I'm not going to give it away. I don't want to exhaust my unbelievable prep. I'll just get, because I'm going to be, clat's going to exhaust me with his nonsense.

So I'm going to have to have all the energy to fight back. He's probably got Justin Herbert going in the fourth round. Draft week. Lowe's has been incredible. They got a special draft of their own this year. thanking their associates for supporting their communities during this crisis. Don't miss all the Lowe's associates and all the stories. 8 Eastern, tomorrow night, Fox Sports Radio, Peter Schrager, Joel Clatt, Jay Glazer.

Glazer's usually five minute to head everybody on the picks. All presented by Lowe's and Fox Sports Radio. I've got some good stuff here. I'm not going to exhaust it. I need all my energy for Joel Clatt, who has got his new mock draft out. I have my mock draft out. I'm going to, I'll be wrong on 27 of the picks. But it's fun. I mean, who cares? People get so serious about their mock drafts.

When I go to a mock draft, I never hold it against, you know, Peter Schrager or Peter King or I go to this guy, Walter Camp. I've been watching his draft for years. Who cares if you miss? I'm just looking, I'll contextualize the misses. we all know there's going to be a bunch of trades. None of us. I'm predicting one big trade. The Chargers move up to three to get Justin Herbert.

Because I think they think Miami's going to move up to three. And I think both Miami and the Chargers like Herbert more than Tua. That's my prediction. Now, I draft both. I think Burrow, Tua, and Herbert are all franchise quarterbacks. I'll deal with the fact that Burrough's arm is average. Tua's got a bad hip. and Justin Herbert is a little bit more mechanical than maestro.

I'm not looking for perfection. I'm not paralyzed by perfection. I've said that about this virus. Be aggressive. You can't be paralyzed by perfection. We've got new information every day. There's going to be stuff you learn about. Tua, Burrow, and Justin Herbert, once you get them into camp,

you're going to find out about their soul and how hard do they work and how do they take the first hit and do they push back and are they have the confidence of other alpha men when they're the youngest guy in the room. some stuff you just can't you can't figure out like like you know you can look at all the tape but sometimes you just don't know that tom brady is that driven that 20 years later in six super bowls he still has a chip on his shoulder you can't measure that at a pro day so let's bring in the claster a lead college football guy uh for uh fox sports so your last mock had only two quarterbacks in the first round

burrow and two this one has the dolphins taking uh justin Herbert at 18 what changed for you Well, I think that you have to understand that, like, mocks for me are equal parts, my own evaluation, and what I think is going to happen. So that's kind of a combination for me. Listen, if I was making the decision, I wouldn't draft Herbert in the first round. Having said that, I absolutely think he will get drafted in the first round.

So I put him to the Dolphins at 18. 6-5, big arm, runs well, four-point student. got him, where do you got him going to? I have him going to Miami at 18, right? I mean, here's the thing with Herbert. I love everything that you said, but skill sets don't necessarily equate to success in the national football league. The bottom line in this league is that you've got to throw the football on time and on

target, and most of the time, those are anticipatory throws. That's the biggest area of struggle he has. He is a blunt force instrument at quarterback. He is not surgical. He makes the wrong decisions quite often, but he gets away with it at the college level because he's got such a talented arm. I don't think he's going to be afforded that opportunity when he gets to the NFL.

I think he reminds me of Allen and Buffalo. If you like Allen and Buffalo, which I'm a bit skeptical of, then I think that you're going to love Herbert. But for me, I want guys that make much better decisions and pass the football rather than, throw the football. You see, here's the difference, gone. There's guys out there that are such talented throwers of the football, and that's all well and good. And you know what they do? They hypnotize people like you. But I want people that pass the football, okay? I want people that

know how to attack the defense, anticipate throws, and pass the football with a great amount of efficiency. Yeah, that sounds good until you need a howitzer, and you got Joe Burroughs arm and I got a seed over there going 108 from Justin Herbert. I think arm strength matters still. Did you watch last night the rerun of Super Bowl 50? Peyton Manning could

not throw the football through a wet paper bag and they won the Super Bowl. I mean, I'm sorry, when did arm strength equate to success in the NFL? Peyton Manning's If it did, Jeff George would still be in the league, Marcus Russell would still be in the league,

Kyle Bowler would still be in the league, And they're not. You know why? Because it doesn't matter how far you throw it if there's no one there to catch it. You can't use Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning's brain, if it was a person would walk by Bill Gates' brain and say, talk to the hand, little brain. He's the smartest guy that ever played the position.

Exactly. The position is about decision-making. It's about being surgical in the way that you attack the defense. It's about a big brain. That's the point. Okay. So I look at this. You know, you bang on the.

SEC all the time. It's very unfortunate. Untrue. All I see is a dozen SEC guys. Let's be honest. Let's be totally honest. Take out Ohio State. And the Big Ten's not even the same conference. I can take out Alabama. Hell, I got Georgia players, LSU players, Auburn players. Let's just admit it now. The SEC is easily the best conference based on your mock draft. They're easily the most talented conference. In particular at the top end.

And I've said that for a long time. I understand it. You get beat soundly in an argument, so you try to stir it up like that and say that I pounded on the SEC. I pound on the middle and bottom of the SEC. And you know it. I give them a lot of credit. Listen, Alabama's about to have five, maybe six guys drafted in the first round. I believe in my last mock because I moved Diggs up there to the 31st pick with San Francisco, the corner from Alabama.

I've got six Bama guys going in the first round. I believe I've got three or four different LSU players going. There's no doubt that at the top end, in particular when you're talking about the best three, maybe even include four and five schools in the SEC, that is where the NFL goes for their talent. And it's certainly going to be obvious tomorrow night on Thursday night. Top into that conference second to none, no question. By the way, I'm going to throw a guy out. I love Andrew Thomas at Georgia.

It's so funny because we're talking about this weight room guy in Iowa, and we're talking about this kid at Louisville who makes special. Flash plays. And of course, anybody on the offensive line from Bama gets love. Andrew Thomas at Georgia, I think he may have started as a freshman. He's big. He did. Yeah, like he was dominant early.

You have him going, you have the dolphins taking him at five. It's fascinating because I think he may be the most under, I don't see him in anybody's top 10. I think he's, when I watch, I watch a lot of SEC football. He is a neutralizer, and he faced the best defensive ends in the country in that conference. What do you know about? Yeah, the top, well, I think that all of the offensive linemen are, or excuse me, the tackles are really good.

I agree with you. I love Andrew Thomas's game. I think it's a bit short-sighted to just say worse from Iowa as a waitroom guy when you look at his explosion and athleticism and what he can do. I mean, he ran 4-8 in the 40, he broad jumps 10 feet. I mean, he's not just a weight room warrior. I am a little concerned about the Louisville kid because there's some concerning medical information. out there about them that teams are circling around right now, in particular with his knees. Andrew Thomas seems to be the safest pick because of all the things that you just mentioned.

And I love him. I really do it, which is why I moved him up. And also remember, Colin, just in the nature of this draft, as we sit here and we think about players and we're debating whether you're going to take a risk or not take a risk on players, this is going to be the year where the least amount of risks are taken by these teams. teams because they don't have the information and, and, and this is the important point, you cannot have a robust discussion on a Zoom conference call. I mean, everybody out there is nodding their head like, yep, we all just sit there

staring into our cameras, and you can't hear anybody unless you're the only one speaking, and there's not a robust discussion whatsoever. So what you're going to have is that no one's going to be able to pound the table and say, no, no, no, no, don't worry. I've checked out as medical if I'm the doctor. Or I've broken down the tape. This is the way that I, you know, see some of the mistakes that he made on the field.

This is what I dug into as far as the character concerns that he had. You're not going to have that robust discussion. So let's get back to your point. Andrew Thomas, probably the safest offensive tackle. And that's why I moved him up. It's the first offensive tackle off the board to a team that desperately needs one in Andrew and the Miami Dolphin. Here's an interesting one.

Now, you have, you have Joe Burrow going one of the Bengals, and you have the next quarterback taken, the Chargers at 6 to Tua. Here's what's really interesting. I thought about this last night. Now, I think the Chargers move up to get Justin Herbert, but here's where I could possibly be way wrong. Tua, because he played at Bama and because of the hip, is kind of a star.

We don't even use his last name. We just called Tua. And that's what we do with Starr. Cher, LeBron. Tua's becoming a star. Controversy, We'll star. What do the Chargers need?

They need stars. So they have Tyrod Taylor, who they've told me, listen, we're starting him this year. With no OTAs or camp, and because of the hip, the Chargers can take Tua. It's actually an advantage. Because they can just say, he's not ready to play. But for a team that's the number two,

I would say the number three football team in L.A. behind the Rams and USC. that Tua does bring a little bit of a rock star quality. I mean, I want to go see him and play. He has a Baker-Mayfield thing. I have to watch him play. I got to see if he busts or not. This TWA thing, and by the way, Joel, the chargers are good enough that if they miss on Tua,

they could still win 10 games next year. So do you believe the Chargers like Tua better than Herbert? Well, I think that there's a split in most rooms after you, get done with the discussion of Joe Burrow. I think there are teams that would draft Tua and they would take the risk on the injuries. There are teams that like Justin Herbert because he's a bit of the safer pick, even though he clearly has some elements of his game that don't translate to the NFL. So I think it's going to be team specific.

If it was me, I would be more on the take the chance on Tua because of all the reasons that I was talking about earlier when we were talking about quarterback play. He makes great decisions. he throws the football on time and on target. He is quick and explosive with his release. The only thing that I question about his game is that he thinks he's more elusive than he is. So, Colin, he gets himself into trouble not because he holds the ball due to the fact that he doesn't know where to go with it. He holds it because he thinks he can evade and yet he can't evade completely.

So he gets caught up on and rolled up on, and that's how he hurt both of his ankle and ultimately fractured his hip. If he can change that element of his game, I love this pick. And you would have more of a robust conversation about he or Joe Burrow at the top. So for me, I would absolutely take that risk, even if I was maybe Miami. But I think he fits better for some of the reasons that you said with San Diego. They don't have to throw him out there right away. They can let him deal, let him develop a little bit. They can get a little bit of buzz in particular with an organization that desperately needs it in this town moving into a new building.

and he certainly, like you said, has some of that star power. By the way, you have AJ Eponisa for the Iowa Hawkeyes dropping to 32. Hey, by the way, just because he's from Iowa, it doesn't mean you can mispronounce his name. It's Epinessa. Put some respect on the Iowa Hawkeyes. Okay. That's a very fine program.

Every time they beat Northeast Iowa, I sit and cheer. Oh, you're the worst. So I did have an executive tell me about a month ago, they're like, he's not that athletic. We don't think. No, he's not. He's not. But he's really strong at the point of attack. Well, here's the thing is he's scheme diverse.

He can play in a 3-4-4-3 as a defense event. He's highly productive. He's high character. He's more athletic than you think. I understand that's what a GM said. But remember now, if you just go back to his high school days, he was a state champion in the discus. He set state records on the district. What state?

He also scores a thousand points on the hardwood as a basketball player. What state? Highly productive getting to the quarterback. What? He's got really strong hands and he's good at the point of attack. Okay. What state? Was he a good basketball player?

Iowa. Well, what does that mean? They're not even as good as Indiana in basketball. That means nothing. He threw a javelin in Iowa. That doesn't mean anything. And you grew up in the state of Washington. I'm not getting drafted in the first round, Klat.

Hey, he was the second in the state and throwing a skinny pole down the street in Iowa. That doesn't mean anything to me. The pole is a javelin. I said discreet. Okay, hold on. Joel Clatt has his mock draft on FoxSport.com and at NFL on Fox. He's with Glazer and Schrager tomorrow, 8 Eastern, all brought to you by Lowe's. You're going to have a lot of fun on that.

I'll be listening, Clatster, and continue. Your family is hopefully safe. I know they are. We talk. Yep. And real quickly, a guy that keep your eye on, guys love him. Brandon I, U. The wide receiver from Arizona State.

Yep. Yep. I have him going to Tennessee. Where do you have him going? I have him going to Philadelphia with the 21st pick. I think Doug Peterson is going to love that guy. Good talking to you. You as well.

You as well. Stop backing on Iowa. No, fine state. I fly over it regularly. It is a fine state. It is full. You are the worst. Just joking.

All right, Callais Campbell next hour. He's going to be joining us. Greg Kossel next hour as well. Coming up next. instead of debating who's the best prospect when it comes to quarterback. Let's just be honest. Where they land is going to matter. And let's look at where they land, which is going to obviously, we saw it with Lamar and Josh Allen, Sam Darnold, Baker, Mayfield.

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How great is that? Calais Campbell plays for the Jags. And now he goes to meet the Super Bowl favorite, the Ravens. You know, sometimes these trades, I mean, I'm D'Andre Hopkins. I go to dysfunctional Houston. I love the idea of Kyler Murray. I love a new coach and a new franchise, a young coach I'm going to get along with. Callais Campbell goes from Jackson.

I'm not sure they're going to have a team in five years. They're playing games over in London now to the Baltimore Ravens. Like bedrock franchise in the NFL, great owner, great GM, great coach, great quarterback. Sometimes, man, these trades, can you imagine you're working. at a company that stinks and all of a sudden you wake up the next day. You've been traded to Apple. Google just acquired your contract. Really?

I worked at Larry's hardware store. I couldn't stand Larry. Hey, word is you're at Amazon, vice president. Really? Okay, I'll take the upgrade. Callias Campbell. That is a life upgrade. Jags to the Ravens.

And they're not even going to depend on him. He'll be a really good player amongst a bunch of other good players. There's not this massive pressure that he's got to have 28, you know, sacks. He's just going to join him. a bunch of other studs. Here's Joy with the News. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herd Line News.

Sponsored by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing. Joe Burrow is presumed to be the first overall pick tomorrow, although I am still holding out hope that the Dolphins give whatever the Cincinnati Bengals want for him. But Dion Sanders would have a different quarterback first on his draft board. I like TWA. I like everything about Tua. He has a portfolio that says, you know what, this guy's a winner. I love this kid.

He would be my number one for obvious reasons because he gives me more film for me to judge his potential of success. I like to him. Now, I feel like it's come down to kind of a preference at this point between Borough and Tua. Herbert has arisen because there's a need for quarterbacks. I don't know that I agree with Joel that he would take him in the second round. but I think he is being a little bit overvalued because of the need for quarterbacks in this draft. But as far as the Tua to Burrow a winning comparison,

I understand what he's saying. There's more tape on Tua playing at that level. So I get that. But the things that people hold against Burrow, they don't hold against Tua, which I find to be very strange. Like Tua, the place for Alabama, which I don't understand when all of a sudden and Tua elevated Alabama program. No, but Tua was good day one.

Herbert couldn't win a job at Ohio State. Wasn't good. Burrow wasn't good at Ohio State. He couldn't beat out J.T. Barrett or Duane Haskins. And then, by the way, he goes to LSU. He won very good as a junior. Whereas Tua, the first time he came into a game, Georgia, he won the national championship.

He was, like, great at 19 years old in a national championship. Right. But Tua also had Alabama players around him. I mean, we look at LSU as a premier program now because they just won the national championship. Yeah, but it's not like they had the same level of player. They had good players, yes. But if you're looking at, you know, these recruits and what they, the star rated recruits, four or five star rated recruits, it's not like LSU had the same exact level of players that Alabama did.

They, Borough did elevate that program. And I understand that it's, it's not a giant sample size, but they beat the best teams. He had the great. statistical season of anyone who's ever played that position. And they won the national championship, and he was amazing in it. So this idea that he's not like a winner is very strange to me when Tua is winning with an Alabama roster. Yeah, but I think LSU did have the players.

They just got a year older. I mean, he had all the LSU players. It's not like they took transfers. All those players were there when he was a junior. Alabama, the highest graded player on Alabama's offensive line is Jeddrick Willis Jr. We both like was named rating number three. LSU number 30 is the highest grade to player on their offensive line. All I'm saying is LSU is a national power.

They are. But were we talking about them as winning the championship? It was between Clemson and Alabama before the season started. Yeah, but I mean, LSU was, again, LSU is a national power. Like when I look at recruiting, LSU's orders got a top seven class. I'm not saying if there's some scrubs. I'm just saying they hold that against Joe Burrow that he played with great players, and it's not held against Tua,

and it doesn't make any sense to me. Well, I think it is. I think, I actually, I think when I talk to people, one of the questions they wonder about Tua is, what's he going to be like in crisis? Because Alabama's rarely in crisis. That part, you know what I really fell for Tua? Because I was a doubter.

I was like, he's small. He's not that athletic. When he went and played on one leg against LSU and was great, I was just like, oh, my. No, he was a warrior in that game. I agree with you. He definitely won me over there. for sure, like how you play in those situations matters.

And I don't dislike Tua. I just don't understand how that's held against Burrow and not held against Tua. So before Tom Brady signed with the Bucks, there were rumors that he could be headed to San Francisco. I didn't really buy them. But GM John Lynch admitted it was something that they talked about. When you're talking about one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time with Tom Brady, of course you're going to have some internal discussion. And then you hear rumors that, hey, he'd like to come home, that kind of thing.

But within a day or two, Kyle and I looked at each. other and said, you know what? We really like what we have in Jimmy. We love everything that he brings. And we really believe it's a long-term answer. And so I would tell you we're more convicted than ever about who our quarterback is and Jimmy Garoppolo. It is remarkable to me how how the narrative on Jimmy Garapolo has shifted so quickly from that one missed pass to Emmanuel Sanders in the Super Bowl. I think it's amazing. John Lynch admitted it. I do too, because this is this is the thing about it. Did Kansas City consider this?

I mean, did they think about possibly, you know, oh, man, it's this Tom Brady. You know, we have my homes, but it is Tom Brady. Did the Ravens consider this? No one's admitting that. If you have your guy,

who's 21 and 5 is a starter. Right, that you truly believe in. Are you having internal conversations about possibly moving off to Tom Brady who's only, we know, is only going to play for two more years? I anytime anybody in this business is honest because everybody's lying to us all the time right the fact that the GM would go with it but the player still in your roster yeah we kicked

around for two days it's like what Derek Carr if he heard that he would unfollow you on Twitter that is unbelievable that Garoppolo's his quarterback and he admits John's going to pass him in the hallway to when all this virus is done hey Garoppel's going to go time out I just got some super ball. You thought about Brady? It's such, I just feel like it's such an overreaction. We kind of did the same thing about Jared Goff too. It's like if you win, you can't tell him nothing.

But if you lose, even if it's by a small margin, even if it's just one play, it comes down to, it's just like you're not the guy all of a sudden. We consider moving off to Tom Brady. He's only going to play for two more years. Finally, Michael Jordan and LeBron James' debate about the goat is ramped up again now that the last dance documentary has been released, obviously. they're not debating it we are and nuggets coach mike malone who coached lebron in cleveland gave his opinion on the go i coached lebron james for five years have a great relationship

you know lebron did not have the same uh maybe mindset or or killer mentality that michael jordan is supposed to have had but you know michael jordan was just a great player but i think what set him apart harrison what you talked about he just had uh he would reach into your chest and put your heart out if he had to win a game. And you don't see that very often. He had that chew a killer mindset. And he brought it every single night. And that's why he's, you know, still, all these many years later, and certainly the greatest of all time and a player that even young players today still idolize. There is a bit of a mythology when it comes to this debate. As we know, we've talked about it many times. We reminisce on the perfection that was Michael Jordan.

career because we're a bit removed from it. Nick Wright mentioned a few things that stuck out to him from the documentary. All those things stuck out to me too, though. It was very interesting. I was like, oh, so load management isn't a new thing. It is just that we have a name for it now. This minutes restriction thing has happened

before. But I will say when it comes to this level of debate who is the greatest to ever do something in the history of time, there is going to be a little bit of a romantic feel to it, and I happen to agree with him. When it comes to competition in sports, the alpha male, you know, dominance, level of competition,

a relentless drive to win, that kind of stirs something in you. And I'm obviously a Michael Jordan Selle, so I buy into everything that he's saying. But while I think LeBron is the greatest superstar that we've ever seen, maybe in anything at all, just his ability to manage the media and he's never had any kind of trouble and been in the spotlight. since he was 16 years old to build up this empire and elevate everyone around him. I mean, it's incredible what LeBron has done. But to me, LeBron doesn't enjoy wearing the black hat. And I think that Jordan, I mean, it's not that I think he does.

He doesn't mind that at all. Kobe had this as well where I don't care if I'm the villain. I'm here to win. I don't care what you think about me. I don't care how it makes you feel. At the end of the day, I'm the winner. You're the loser. You can deal with your feelings and I'm going to walk away with this trophy.

Yeah, no, I think Michael was very. comfortable being the villain. I think he was, it's different. He, uh, you know, Michael grew up with a different life, a very strong parents, a very strong dad and alpha dad. And he went to college for three years. So Michael had this, he came from this really rock solid background and a lot, it wasn't linear. It was tough and it was, but you know, we've got to be fair to LeBron. He came out of high school. Go to the NBA. So that's like running into a wall. So I think the big difference, between Jordan. If you look at the childhood of Jordan

and the college of Jordan, he came in more as a man. LeBron came in as a really talented kid. Oh, no, and I think that LeBron deserves credit for that. Yeah, yeah, so long. Who could ever be able to manage all of that at the age of 16 and have the career that he's had? It's remarkable.

I don't think we've ever seen it ever in any sport, maybe in any profession at all, to be as almost perfect as he has. It's amazing. But as far as the mythology and the romanticism of the competition, competition, Jordan's just always going to have the edge there. Yeah. Joy Taylor with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. Yeah, mythology is a powerful thing. I mean, people put like Babe Ruth, top 10 baseball player. He was 6 to 210 pounds, and about 40 of it was a gut. I'm not sure he can make a college team today. But, you know, that's just the mythology.

Baseball is a sport with history. Basketball is a sport with style. So we tend to over-romanticize pre-examination. players. We don't in football. Nobody talks about Red Grange or Otto Graham being as good as Patrick Mahomes. But in baseball, because of the stats and basketball because of the style, we do tend to romanticize history. They're done wrong with that. I mean, this Jordan documentary, I'm not sure if I'd watch any NFL documentary with this

much interest. I know I wouldn't. You know, basketball documentaries and baseball documentaries, they write a lot of books about baseball, and they write a lot of, they have a lot of documentaries and films about basketball. I like NFL today, I'm not really interested in its history. I'm not. I haven't read that many books about football unless it's a current coach or a current player. Baseball, you know, the Babe stuff's interesting and basketball. I would love, I'd love to see a documentary on Jordan or Dr. Jay or the Lakers in 72, weird wilt and Jerry West and Gail Goodrich. Basketball and baseball all go back. And I really like talking about old basketball and baseball I get. Football, what do you

got now. I'm not interested in Red Grange. I just don't care. Well, is there something to the games being so similar, you know, like baseball, you just pick up the bat and hit the ball and catch the ball and basketball. You just got to put it in the hoop. Football has evolved so much, like the size of the players. The equipment is different. I don't know. I don't know why it is. I've read a bunch of baseball books. I've watched, I can watch old, I mean, Goulet makes fun of me. I can watch old NBA clips. I, like, memorized all of it. I used to collect baseball and basketball cards.

I never collected football cards. Like, give me football today. I have no interest in the 70s. I mean, I don't know why. I don't know why. Coming up next, buy seller hold. We'll play a little game. Next hour, Calais Campbell.

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time to buy that for an honor Colin will decide if he'll buy buy it sell I want you to tell or hold all right I'm your stockbroker Joey go ahead all right this is our NFL draft edition by sell

or hold three quarterbacks get drafted in the top five picks buy buy buy yeah okay listen we know Burroughs going to Cincinnati at Miami and the Chargers both need quarterbacks. I think the Chargers move up to get Herbert. Miami stays at five and gets two.

He's too talented to pass on. They passed on Drew Breeze once. Didn't work out so well. That's a buy. All right. Buy, sell, or hold. The Patriots draft a quarterback in the first round. That is a sell.

Sell, sell, sell. Yeah. Why? They've never drafted a quarterback. Belichick's never drafted a quarterback in a top 60 pick. They also have the 23rd pick in the draft. Belichick loves defense. Jamie

Collins gone, Van Noi gone. They got to resurrect that defense a little bit. And I believe next year, well, let's just state of this year. It would be Jordan Love if anybody, my guess is Jordan Love and he feels too much like a prospect. All right, buy-seller hold

Jerry Judy gets drafted before CD Lamb. Easy buy, bye, bye, bye. First of all, I think he's by far and away the best corner against much better defensive backs and corners. He dominated. C.D. Lamb played in a much weaker Big 12. The best corner in the Big 12 is Jeff Gladney at TCU, and he held C.D. Lamb to his lowest output. And it should be noted of the top 25 corners in this draft, three are Big 12. A lot of SEC guys. By seller holds, speaking of the SEC, the SEC. The SEC has

has 13 players drafted in the first round by Sellerhold. Buy, bye, bye, bye. Yeah, I have them drafting 13 SEC players. I think half of the first round could be SEC players. I think you also have a strange situation where we've got a couple of positions which are hugely important and one of them is wide receiver. And it just happens to be that was the best Alabama wide receiver class I've ever seen. And LSU is loaded at wide receiver.

And so it's just, it's a great wide receiver draft. and the SEC has a ton of wide receivers, so I think they're going to set a record. By seller hold, a running back will be drafted in the first rounds. Sell, sell, sell. I think Jonathan Taylor is my favorite running back, but here's the thing. None of them are top half of the draft talented,

although I do think Jonathan Taylor's undervalued. But the teams at the end of the draft, San Francisco, Green Bay, Tennessee, and Baltimore, I don't believe, I mean, Tennessee's got Derek Henry. You know, it's Mark Ingram in Baltimore. The teams at the end of the draft don't need a running back. Some say Kansas City, but I think they have a pass rusher need and a center need. And they'll take Caesar Ruiz from Michigan.

That's who I think Kansas City takes. So I'd say sell on that. Buy seller hold that there will be four trades in the first round. Buy, buy, buy, buy, buy. The last 10 drafts, you're averaging almost six trades. So let's reduce that by one because it's a virtual. draft. But I, listen, I think the virtual draft aspect is way overstated.

The WNBA did a virtual draft, the XFL did a virtual draft. They were fine. Don't freak out. There's going to be trades. Buy seller hold. Jalen Hertz will be drafted in the second round. Pretty easy sell for me. Sell, sell, sell.

First of all, remember, you'll draft a quarterback in the first round if you think he's a franchise guy and he'll most. start early. By the second round, you know, you like to get starters. Most teams do. And I don't think Jalen hurts. I think he's a fascinating project. I don't see him as a starter in the NFL. I would love to see him on some teams. I think he could be a spot starter. But he's a project. And so I don't see him second round. Buy seller hold. The dolphins keep all three of their first round picks. Bye, buy, buy, buy. First of all, they have the fifth.

the 18th and the 26th. They have to rebuild their offensive line. And I think they will address tackle Josh Jones as my guess with their 18th pick. They could get Austin Jackson for USC with their 26 pick, although I don't have him going in the first round. I think they need to rebuild their offensive line. The only thing I really like about that team outside of Brian Flores, I think their receiving core is pretty interesting.

And I think they're corners now. and the back end of their defense is pretty interesting because of free agent moves. But I think actually, Joy, I think Miami's going to win the draft because they have so many picks. So I think, you know, the Monday after the draft, everybody, you know, who wins, who loses, and nobody has an answer. You have 13 picks in the draft. You're going to pick a lot of people that you and I have seen play college football. And we're going to go, oh, guys, unbelievable draft. And let's be honest about it, Joy, Miami's draft picks are going to play.

right like all of them so i think miami's going to win the draft i thought they did a really good job in free agency yes i think the future of the dolphins is really good they won five of nine games down the stretch new england won four of nine games down the stretch i think miami is the the easiest teams in the league i mean the easiest team in the league to say they'll double their win total it feels like of all those teams miami's a really easy nine-ten win team i really feel i really believe that. Brady's gone. And, I mean, the only thing I worry about Miami, no OTAs, limited camp, and they're going to be really young.

So September could be choppy as hell for them. Now, the good news is Ryan Fitzpatrick is there. But when you have a roster as young as Miami, Miami's going to have the youngest roster after this draft because all their picks will play. So, I mean, they're going to give everybody at least a year chance. They'll be the youngest team in the league. Yeah, Miami is a long-term plan. Yeah.

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The Baltimore Ravens are good. They got filthy good. They add Callais Campbell. 15 minutes he joins us. Greg CoSell in 40 minutes on the eve of the NFL draft. And Joy Taylor is joining me today. The shows are flying by. Listen, I'm not going to lie to yet.

These have been the most challenging shows for the last eight weeks. ever done, but it's incredibly rewarding. Thank you. Incredibly encouraged by how many of you have stuck around to watch us and listen to us with no games. It's incredibly encouraging. Numbers up on podcast, radio, digital, YouTube, all that stuff. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Only five weeks? God, it feels like 18. I mean, just honestly, Joy is joining me. Joy, what's up?

What's up? I agree. I feel, I overall daily feel very grateful to have this job and do what we do every day. But lately, extremely, extremely grateful. It's kept me feeling very normal. Yes. Yes. And, you know, kept my routine. And just very grateful. Yes. Thanks so much for making us part of your day. So by and large, I get your reaction. You, the consumer, you the sport. fan. I get your reaction. When you're mad, I get it. When you're happy, I get it. When you're puzzled, I get it. There is one reaction you sports fans have and Uncle Colin does not get because it feels like to me it's obvious. And I'm going to tell you a little story. It'll be short. Here's my story. The greater position you have in life, your actions have to change. You

change. And that's the end of my story. When Michael Jordan and Dennis Rodman played together, Rodman could be a weirdo, controversial, and a goof. Michael Jordan was the face of the league. He was representing Nike and a multi-million dollar contract. You lose those contracts from the Nikes. You lose those contracts from big shoe companies and big brands if you do something to damage them. Sports fans always argue that. It doesn't matter that Baker Mayfield got in a police video. No, no, no, no, no.

He's going to be a franchise quarterback. Of course it matters. If he was a middle linebacker, maybe not. The greater job you have, and there's no greater job in the NFL than quarterback, the more responsibility you have. I am not saying bad behavior by a wide receiver is in. encouraged. But Patrick Mahomes, thank God, and I've seen him twice publicly, is a great kid and stays out of trouble. Thank God. Because in recent years, not all the chiefs have. So, and I bring

this up because John Lynch, the GM of the Niners, this is pretty remarkable, admitted this week. Yeah, we looked around and moving off Jimmy Garoppolo. When you're talking about one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time with Tom Brady, of course you're going to have some in internal discussion. And then you hear rumors that, hey, he'd like to come home, that kind of thing. But within a day or two, Kyle and I looked at each other and said, you know what? We really like what we have in Jimmy. We love everything that he brings. And we really believe it's a long-term answer. And so I would tell you we're more convicted than ever about who our quarterback is and Jimmy Garoppolo. Now, think about that. He was 21 and five as a starter and got you a lead in the

first year starting in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl against the great Andy Reed and Patrick Mahomes. And they consider trading him. For a 43-year-old quarterback with like a year left, two years left. Why? Because the greater position you have, actions are more important and have to change. Jimmy Garoppolo, they don't love his judgment. The dinner with a porn star.

Stop. It mattered. It mattered. All the bad picks. weird times. Judgment. Porn star dinner. Judgment. His injury in San Francisco when he could have run out of bounds, he put his, he put his shoulder down. Dumb. You do not consider trading a 21 and five quarterback that gets you a lead against Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl entering the fourth quarter. They don't love his judgment. That's it. It's not his arm. It's good.

It's not his mobility. It's fine. It's not that he can't win. He doesn't. Niners haven't won with Shanahan, except him. Why? They don't love his judgment. Folks, this is not complicated. The two quarterbacks in the NFL who are really talented, have really good weapons,

and throw a ton of picks for Baker Mayfield and James Winston. What about Sam Donald? He didn't have a ton of weapons. He throws out of desperation. Baker never throws out of desperation. James ain't throwing out of desperation. He's got open guys. He's got open guys.

Baker and James. How was their off-field behavior in college? Awful, stupid, dumb. Off-field, dumb is on-field, bad judgment. Off-field dumb is on-field sometimes dumb. Johnny Mansell, out of the league. By the way, I questioned James. I question Baker.

I question Johnny Mansell. This is what I don't get with sports fans. It matters. They're quarterbacks. It's why I rip quarterbacks to shreds if they do off-field stuff. That's why I crushed Manzell. And I crushed Baker and I rip James. It matters.

You and I can disagree on everything. And the only thing I can think of why fans, and I think a lot of you do, but why a lot of fans don't. I've gone to Twitter and I've looked at people who don't understand off-field stuff, bad judgment. I mean, think about this. If you're doing dumb stuff all the time away from work, do I think you suddenly walk?

through the doors of work and you have great judgment? Dumb guy, Saturday night at a party, he's dumb guy at work on Tuesday. So the whole thing with Jimmy Garoppolo is, yes, he's a quarterback, porn star dinner, dumb, Beverly Hills, public. Dumb, what are you doing? I'm not saying, I have nothing against adult film stars. They are just working their way to college.

I don't care. I'm not a moralist. I've, pornography, that kind of stuff, adult content. tent. I've heard it's fascinating. The point is, I'm not against it. I'm against it in public. At dinner, Beverly Hills and a patio. I can see you at Kara. So it's just the one part. The fact that they're acknowledging, you know, that Jimmy Garoppolo, we thought about it. 21 and 5? Super Bowl? First year as a starter? Led Mahomes in the fourth. We thought about moving him. I think it's a judgment thing with Jimmy. And I like him.

But sometimes he does stuff, and I'm like, oh, Jimmy. No, no, no, no, no, no. You're a franchise quarterback. What are you doing? It's different. It's why Rodman could be a goof, and MJ was the face of the league. I mean, you saw the first, the last dance. Joe, you watched that, right?

Yeah. Did everybody notice that Michael Jordan was not the typical player when David Stern came in? Like, even when he was young, David Stern. Oh, hi, Michael, how are you? David Stern about an hour in and went, okay, this is the face of the league. and Michael had a relationship with David Stern. And I mean, you could tell. It was a business relationship.

Stern totally got the value of Michael. And Michael totally understood he could sense how valuable he was to David Stern. That's not the way David Stern treated other players. You could see that with Michael in the last dance when he first met up with his teammates and was talking about going into that room and realized he couldn't be in there and removed himself from that right away. Like he knew. He goes, I'm going to get in trouble if I got to get out of the room. It just, when it comes to quarterbacks, I'm brutal, I'm tough, I'm critical.

I'm going to count all their off-field dumb stuff in college. That's why I love Tua. No problems. Justin Herbert, four-point student, all these quarterbacks, you know, by Joe Burrow, I think he's a good prospect. He's got no baggage. I don't like him as much as everybody else, but they're all good, and I think they'll all work because they've shown me.

maturity. By the way, I had somebody in the NFL a very respected executive tell me he questions Jordan Love because of the pot thing. That bothers people. And he said to me, you know, other positions, but man, you know you're going to get drafted. You know you're important. You're smoking a J. That's not what he called. That's what I call it. A J. Mostly for Big J journalism. Okay. So coming up, Callias Campbell was a Jaguar and gets traded to I, think the best roster currently in the NFL, Baltimore. That's a good life. Sometimes the dude upstairs, the man or the woman, I don't know.

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Learn more. Discover.com slash credit scorecard. Limitations apply. Kaleas Campbell. Greg CoSell 2, hour 3 on a Wednesday. draft is tomorrow. The Eve today, it's the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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for a possible trade up from the number five spot and are gauging the price to come up to three to potentially take an offensive tackle? I will faint. A tackle? Now, I will say this. I like Andrew Thomas more than everybody else, but I think he would be available at five.

Jedrick Will's the kid out of Bama. I think's the best tackle. Everybody likes the kid at Iowa. I think the kid at Bama, technically hands feet. I think he's the best tackle. But again, would you have to move up to get him? Is there that big of a gap between the two tackles? Maybe he thinks there is.

Yeah, I trust Ian, but that, I don't know about that. That's crazy. All right. Callais Campbell's entering in Arizona, then to Jacksonville, and now he's with Baltimore. And I said this earlier. Can you imagine you're in an NFL franchise that is sort of rebuilding, and the best roster, in my opinion, the Ravens call you,

and they trade for you? He will now be the fifth pro bowler from last season on that team just on defense. Forget Ronnie Stanley, the left tackler, Lamar Jackson, and Callais Campbell is joining us. First of all, I want to congratulate you on being traded to, I think, the best roster in the NFL. I mean, when you first heard the news, Callas, what was your reaction? I mean, I was in shock a little bit. You know, I didn't expect to get traded. I didn't really think that was something that would happen.

But at the same time, you know, I was very glad that it was a good thing, you know, because that you can get traded anywhere. You know, I mean, there's not always a team that just came up with 14 to two seasons, you know, a young talented team that can really use my help. Oh, there's no question. By the way, when you get traded, you have been a second round pick, but people, there was a lot of pressure on you, I think, because you were a, you were one of the studs at Jacksonville.

When you now play with a unit, when you're one of many pro bowlers, does it change the way you play that you don't need to have blank sacks for this team to win? You don't have to, I mean, if you just do Callais Campbell, you're all good. Does that change the way you play? That's an interesting question. You know, I kind of, my mortality is always, I kind of play the same. I'm a team player, sacrifice for the team, be the best I can be. But I do think that, you know, there are times you take chances to try to make a different,

playing a game that can help you give your chance to win, you know. And when you have a complete team, you know, you take less chances because you know that, you know, the first and next year don't have your back. Now, I'm not saying that, you know, I had to take more chances than Jacksonville. You know, I just feel like, you know, generally speaking in football, when you have a more complete team around you, you know, you can definitely be a little more assignment sound and just play good football. Yeah, assignment sound, play good football. Listen, Jacksonville, nothing against Jacksonville, fine place.

But when they started trading guys like Jalen Ramsey, you know, it's pretty obvious. They're in some sort of rebuild. What was it like to be in a franchise when the most talented players are getting traded? Yeah, that was interesting. You know, I understand that, you know, everything is value. And, you know, this is a very deep draft coming up. think that, you know, the front office realized that there was some good value available, you know, so I think they wanted to get some resources to try to capitalize on that.

But, you know, for me, my mindset's always been, you know, you never know what rookies are going to develop and become great. And obviously, you know, these guys, everybody, you know, you can call out of yourself and you're able to find the right guys. And that's great. But, you know, it was interesting. You know, I felt like with me personally, you know, I didn't expect to get traded. I felt like I was in a retired Jaguar.

that we had a good thing going with potential. You know what I mean? We were, you know, accomplishing our goals yet. But in 2017 season, it was special. And, you know, and he saw some potential there. But then you lose, you know, Jayne Ramsey. And then, you know, you lose, you know, AJ Boyer, you know, Telvin retired, not really hard too.

But you're like, okay, you know, when AJ Boyer got traded, I started thinking that, you know, anybody can get traded, you know, at this point in time. So, you know, it happened for me. Yeah, but, you know, I'm very happy that I ended up in a really good place in Baltimore. I mean, if you're a free agent, that's a place you pick. You know, I mean, I don't know if there's another place you want to go play football. Now, you're 34.

We didn't have OTAs. You've made some good money. I would imagine you have some access to workout stuff. I mean, I think this is going to be the year of veterans, Kaleas. I think it's going to be tough for rookies with no OTA, perhaps a truncated exhibition. season. This morning, are you staying in shape? Are you in good shape? You're 34. Where are you at that way physically?

Oh, yeah. You know, yeah. I mean, you can't play this game at a high level for a long time if you don't take care of your body and staying in tip-tip-tap shape. You know, I'm one of those guys. I can't really get out of shape. You know, if I get out of shape, I think my career's going to end. So, you know, I just keep working always. But, you know, you just do a little something.

I'm not working as hard as I can right away when season ends. But, I mean, to the season ends, I'm still working. But now, you know, I definitely turn it up a notch. And, you know, I just got to work out in right before I called in here. And, you know, I feel pretty good right now. You know, it's interesting when go back to, you were a second round draft pick. You said something earlier. You know, you never know what draft picks are going to hit.

And the NFL draft is obviously tomorrow. And let me mention this, by the way. Tonight, Kaleas is appearing on the home game with Cam Jordan and Chris Myers at 830 Eastern and it's a game show hosted by Chris Myers, who's one of the, he's the single funniest guy, by the way, at Fox Sports. So go back to your career

and you said, you just don't know who's going to hit. When you come in with a draft class, go back to Arizona, and you come in with eight, nine new guys, how many practices does it take, to know, oh, damn, this guy can't play? And oh, wow, this guy's way better than a six-rounder.

How many practices to identify a whiff a stiff and a potential star. That's another interesting question. You know, I feel like you have to go to Trenicamp. OTA is kind of hard to see. Some guys will shine and then disappear when the Trenicap comes around when the Pats come on. And then some guys will look terrible, you know,

and then when the paths come on, they just start shining. So you really have to go to Trenicap. But once you get the Trenicamp, I mean, it doesn't take long, you know. I mean, it's about four or five practices. You could tell, like, this guy has some special, you know. Yeah. I remember David Johnson when he first came in, you know, And it was like, you know, I mean, obviously, he has some injuries and his career has, you know,

I really expected for him, you know, multiple pro bowls back to back to back, perennial guy. And he still has a chance to be that, you know, I know that we're running back. You get older and stuff. But when he first came in, like, you know, it was like two days later. I'm like, man, this guy is special. You know, and then he had that incredible year. Yeah. No, it's, it is interesting.

I want to ask you one question about a coach I love that you had in Arizona, Todd Bowles. So he went to the Jets, and it didn't work out. I think he's a spectacular defensive coach. And at the end of last year, in the last six games, Tampa led the NFL in sacks and fewest yards per play. And I love Bowles. So when Brady goes to Tampa, everybody thinks it's all about the wide receivers, I think Todd Bowles is one of the best defensive guys in this league. And you played under him. What is it?

all the coaches you had. What is it about Todd Bowles? He made the Jets defense better without a lot of pro bowlers. Arizona defense. He made Tampa at the end of the year fantastic. What is it about him? You know, I think he has, I mean, he played, so that gives him a big advantage because he,

I think he knows how to communicate with players and what players can handle. But, I mean, I think the best way to get a guy, like a veteran player, to understand what's trying to. to do is really talk to him about the game plan or why you're doing certain things. And, you know, he was very, you know, we're called football savvy

and understanding, like, you know, situations and what people are going to do in a situation similar to, I know how Belichick does it. Yeah. And when you start understanding, you know, just tendencies of teams and what they like to do from a concept standpoint, you know, that you put the plays in front of us,

you know, and it really made things a lot easier. And, you know, I mean, everybody loves playing for him because you could tell he's just, he loves the game of football. he's a great teacher and he's just a good man. I mean, I was kind of funny because I was talking to Sue because I knew that, you know, Baltimore had, you know, his article came out that said Baltimore was interested in him.

And so I reached out to him and was like, man, what's that? Man, we could have played together with him been crazy. Yeah. You know, but obviously it didn't work out that way. But I know he, you know, we started talking about Todd Bowles for a while and how much respect we both have for him. And that was pretty cool. So you played in Arizona and Jacksonville.

It gets really cold in Baltimore. You're going to go to a division. You're going to have road games and Cleveland and Pittsburgh and Cincinnati and Calais Campbell, it is going to be nine degrees. That is the black and blue division. That may be the most physical, toughest division in football. Are you ready for it? I'm built for it.

I love the game of football. You know, I mean, I grew up in different Colorado, so I'm playing the snow a bunch, you know, and it's been a while. I mean, I'm only here and there throughout my career, but I'm not afraid of the cold weather. and I like physical football. I think that brings out the best to me. You know, I mean, I don't know if you watch my game, I'm sure you watch a lot of tape on me and stuff,

but I feel like my best game comes out when it's physical football. And, you know, back-stated, Jim Harbaugh, you know, at the 49ers, and they used to be real physical. They used to, you know, I used to always get excited for that game because I knew that I had to bring my A-game, I had to lower my pads to play good technique, and I have to power off and be first. You know, we always said, you know, first contact wins.

You got to be first. you can't be second. Yeah. Callias Campbell is joining us. He's on that show tonight. He is featured in a segment during the broadcast, a draft this weekend, called Pay It Forward Live, Verizon's Live Entertainment Series. And I think that is COVID-19 relief. Tell me about that.

Yeah. I partnered with Verizon to try to help small businesses. You know, there are a lot of small businesses really struggling right now. and the goal is really just to get, you know, the communities to support them, you know, and try to buy in and really just make sure these companies don't fail. There's a lot of good businesses, you know, that I try to support that have been in the communities for 30, 40, 40 years, you know, they are in danger of going away. Yeah.

You know, we can't let that happen. So I'm part of a Verizon. They're giving out, you know, $2.5 million worth of money to small businesses for every retweet on the pay-it for a live hashtag. So if you can do hashtag, pay it for a lot. For every hashtag, every tweet, it's $10 after $2.5 million. So it's a really cool thing. And hopefully we can get a lot of people involved, and we can save our communities. Hey, where are you and your family right?

Are you in Baltimore or still in Jacksonville? I'm still in Jacksonville. Okay. They had a bunch of people on the beach the other day. People were freaking out. How's your family doing during the virus? We're doing pretty good. We're staying pretty quarantine.

You know, we haven't left the house unless it was to go to the store, you know, but they did open the beaches and parks. So I did go to the park and get some sprinting, but there was nobody else around when I was working, just me and my wife and my in-laws are in town because we actually have a baby on the way. My wife's 30 weeks pregnant, so I'm super excited about that. Good for you, Callais Campbell. Congratulations on ending up with an unbelievably well-run organization, great coach, GM owner, stud. everywhere. Callais Campbell, now to the Ravens. Thanks, man. Hey, man. I appreciate you having me. You bet. Callais Campbell. Yeah, that's a, that's a, that's a good fit. That guy is

going to do real well. Happy for him. That's a good job transfer. A joy with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Callas was the Walter Payton man of the year. Oh, he was. You know what? You can you talk to a guy and you figure it out pretty quickly, like his whole thing was, you notice this, you always hear about this. He was like, listen, man, if I don't stay in shape, I'm out of the league. There's a little fear there, right? Like that vulnerability, you see it with Jordan.

You see it with all the athletes. The little chip on the shoulder, the vulnerability. He's like, man, if I don't train, I'm out of the league. And it's like, all the great ones, they always talk about that. The little fear that this is the last practice. This is the last year. This is the last contract I'll ever get. it's a common thread with successful people.

Right. Well, you say it all the time. I know, play it. Play it's like it's your last game, you know, practice like it's your last practice. But the great ones always feel that way. Whether it's real or perceived, it keeps you working at the highest level. So Carson Palmer was the last quarterback the Bengals drafted in the first round back in 2003. And even though the selection of Joe Burroughs seems to be a sure thing,

Palmer says the Bengals still have a big decision to make with Chase Young also available. There is a ton of unknowns. Joe. He played one year of college football. It is extremely risky, right? But you've got to have a quarterback. So Chase Young's, you know, as you're saying, could be the best player in the draft, probably is the best player in the draft. I think it's a really difficult decision that they have to make. They have to either pass up on a guy that's a 14-sat guy or go after a guy that could be the future of your franchise and handle the quarterback resistance for the future of your franchise for the next 10 to 15 years. It's obviously a big decision.

decision, a difficult decision. Well, this kind of leans back to what you were talking about earlier where teams say that you have to draft the best player available and that people subscribe to the idea that you have to take the best player available over a position of need. Now, they do still have Andy Dalton, which I think at this point we all know what Andy Dalton is, but if they aren't completely sold on Joe Burrow, then what Carson's saying is true. Unless, you know, because if you're not sold on Joe Burrow, I don't know how you could be more sold at number one overall and two or Herbert because I think we all agree at this point

Joe Burrow is probably the safest out of these three even if you like to as talent or you know amount of experience more with the injury it changes things so I don't think that they're going to to pull this although it would be it would be something if they switched it up on us and so chase young everyone overall so there's a bunch of reporters in Cincinnati saying today they're officially taking borough. So it's kind of, yeah. I mean, we all are assuming that this is a for sure thing that he's going there. They moved off of Andy Dalton, so we're assuming that that era is over.

And however great Chase Young may be or a sure thing he may be, like we said earlier, you need a quarterback. You have to start with getting the dude before you worry about sacks and everything else. We'll talk more about this story this afternoon on JoyChat at 3.30 Eastern, 1230 Pacific on caffeine, free app. Go subscribe to the Fox Sports Chene. on caffeine and we'll be live at 3.30 Eastern. So Jamal Adams trained rumors started ramping up when it was reported that he wouldn't

take part in the offseason program without a contract extension. But GM Joe Douglas reiterated this week that Adams is in the team's future plans. He said the plan would be for Jamal to be here long term. I've also made it known that I have to do what's best within the best interest of this team. If other teams called to talk about players, I'll listen. But going into this draft, my intent isn't to move any players. But if a team calls, we're going to have conversations. my plan is to keep Jamal here a long time.

He also said Jamal Adams was a big reason he was excited about coming to the Jets. He feels like he is a core player. If you do sign him, I would say then Lavian Bell becomes, and I love Lavian Bell too, but then Lavian Bell becomes somebody you have to move. You can't have your three highest paid players, a safety of running back and a Mike linebacker. That's not the way you build it. So if you get to sign, and by the way, Jamal's great. Right.

But if you sign him, And Mosley, by the way, you're not going to get much for Mosley because he comes off an injury. And Levy and Bell, I don't think you're going to get a lot for it because of the position he plays. And I love Levy and Bel. But if you sign Jamal Adams and C.J. Mosley, you're going to have to get cheaper at running back. And this is a good running back draft. So I don't think anybody wants to pay for Levian. So I'm saying I can think two things simultaneously.

I can love Jamal Adams. And also love the idea of getting two first round picks and a number three, cornerback for him because I can't pay a running back and a safety that money. Simultaneously, because I think Adams is top six player in the league. I think he's that gifted. No, he's a wonderful player, but you can't pay everybody. Can't. I mean, if I am the Jets, unfortunately, I have to look at the situation with my quarterback

and what kind of pieces do I want on that side of the ball around him. So I'd probably lean Levion because he is a known talent at that position. Obviously, we've seen rookie running backs or young running backs come in and be super successful, but they have to find out what they have with Sam Darnold. And if they're going to get a bunch of picks from him, and that's why he's saying that. I'm going to take calls. I'm going to listen and see tomorrow we'll find out, obviously. But if a team calls and wants to make that move for a known commodity in Jamal Adams,

then they have to listen to that. And he's going to get paid. I mean, he's a great player. Somebody's going to pay him. Right. Finally, there will not be an all-ax. documentary about the Warriors like there is for the Bulls. Golden State decided against having a camera crew embedded with the team during the height of their success.

So there is no footage of it. Cameras were with them for their five finals trips and other marquee games, but they didn't have access to practices, coaches meetings, and trainers rooms. So Warriors execs, exact Peter Goober said of the decision, once you do that, you actually affect the outcome of other things, turning the camera on with an expectation that you're going to get to a particular. point with a sports team or career or something like that it's a dangerous business so there was kind of a discussion about oh like you know it would be cool to have a warriors documentary you know about

their their runs over the past couple years but yeah the footage that you're seeing with the bulls all this behind the scenes footage it doesn't exist for the warriors because they decided not to do that yeah i i don't know if i completely agree with that i get what he's saying but you know oh we're reporting this so that we can then do a documentary on all of our success But also, I mean, we live in a day and age where there's cameras literally everywhere. Everyone is getting content for everything all the time. So if you went into it with that idea that, hey, maybe we don't want to do, we're not doing this for a documentary about our success. But, you know, down the line 20 years from now, we might want to do a historical, you know, story about, you know, the warriors over the past 20 years or whatever.

Having that footage sometimes allows you to have the flexibility to do something like this, the last dance, which we are obviously all enjoying. Now that said, I don't know that I'm putting the Warriors in the same category as the Bulls dynasty. They were wonderful, of course, but it's a bit of a stretch. But it's not going to happen, so we don't have to anticipate that. I don't think I would. If I owned a team, I wouldn't allow it. Really? I like culpability.

I don't. There's a reason Jerry Jones is not on Twitter. He wants deniability. I don't want you to, like, like, I don't want cameras in my house. like I I think it's okay I don't want to be Madonna in her prime I don't want everything on TV I don't know but you can have it and then shoot oh if you have this and then Jordan did not okay it for a very long time I think that you have the option of it but if you have a camera in your family you're going to act different it should it changes the temperature in the room I mean I have a camera set up in the middle of my living room yeah but you can turn it off assuming it's off I just I don't like I I I I I I don't like I I I I I I I don't like I I I I I I I I could never do one of these reality shows. Like I just, I have a private life. And there's a lot of things in my private life.

I'm never going to talk about. No, I'm totally with you. I agree. But think about like if Tom hadn't decided to do Tom versus time, like all the great information that we have that now looking forward, like we're able to apply to the context of everything that's happening. Just because you get the footage doesn't mean you necessarily have to release it. I always think if something's out there, it's out there.

It stresses me out. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. Greg CoSell, joining us on the eve of the NFL draft next. MDrive Elite is elite testosterone and elite immune support. Refine your prime with MDrive.

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Peter Schroger will be on our draft coverage. Greg Kossel 40 years NFL films. You know I was thinking about Gronk to the Bucks. It's Greg, Bruce Arian's offense doesn't at least, if you look at the numbers, does not highlight tight ends. Is that overstated?

I mean, O.J. Hower's on the block. What do you make of Ariens and tight end usage through the years? Well, I think Bruce has done this a long time, Colin, and I think he's pretty smart, and I think his playbook probably has a lot of different things, and he'll play to Brady. Brady likes two tight ends. They'll play with two tight ends more, and they'll have the short passing game. play action pass game. So I don't think that'll be a big issue.

I think when you get Brady and then you trade for Gronk, you play to the strengths. In terms of Grong, he doesn't have the acceleration maybe he once had. What does Grong do? He's still a really good blocker, right? Yes. Yeah. And if I said, and George Kidlo was looks like to me when I watch it, he's a capable blocker.

If I said to you, where is Gronk at his best in the NFL at his age? What would you answer? Well, we're assuming that Gronk is going to be Gronk, and we don't know that, but that's the only way we can talk about it. You know, I think at this point in his career, he's still a very good blocker in the run game, and he's more of a short intermediate receiver. He probably is not going to be a scene receiver as much as he once was. But I think when you get into that quick-bang play-action pass game,

where Brady's under center and he throws those quick passes over the middle. Gronk's still a big, powerful man, I'm sure, and that's what the strength of his game will be. Some of the draft, again, I remember years ago talking to, it was the, I forget his name, he was the Titans general manager. He's since moved on. But we were joking off the air, and he had said, you know, you could probably just draft outside a quarterback. He goes, you could probably just draft SEC players and have a decent NFL team. And I do, I look at Jerry Judy and I think, gosh, Greg, he's going up against NFL corners all the time and he's really tough.

And then I look at C.D. Lamb, who's strong. with TCU's corner, Jeff Gladney, a little bit. And I think, geez, that was one of the best corners he faced and he only had two catches. He may have been coming off an injury. But, I mean, when you look at film, when I watch an SEC game, Greg, it just looks faster. That's what it, you know, it just looks like better players.

I think that Judy just looks a little different than the other receivers as well in the way in which he moves. He's a really refined route runner. He's got great ability to separate. You know, I find it interesting that some people think Judy's a little small at 193, but they don't see that with Lamb at 198. Now, they play a little bit differently. I don't know how you feel. I don't see the DeAndre Hopkins comparison with Lamb at all, but I know some people do. I don't. Yeah. So we agree on that, but I just think Judy moves a little bit differently. He's really

refined. He's really polished. He's a little more explosive than people think. His play speed is much better than his time speed. Yeah, you know, they used to say that about Jerry Rice. Oh, for sure. you'd watch him and nobody he looked like a burner and then everybody said oh I ran a four six and I'm like it doesn't look like a four six during games no no no and that's much more important than what what a guy runs in a track stance at the combine you know the running back position's interesting I really like Jonathan Taylor people have said he's not a great pass catcher but he never missed a practice in Wisconsin players usually have there's a toughness about playing in that weather in that conference do you see you see any of these, if I said to you, I don't know if you look at it this way, is Jonathan Taylor, is this running back class? Is there a first round running back

talent to you in this class? Yes, Jonathan Taylor is to me for sure. He won't be drafted that way more than likely because of the way people think of the run game. I don't think Jonathan Taylor's much more removed from Ezekiel Elliott when Ezekiel Elliott came in about state. I think

he's a high-level runner. I think he's got potential in the past game. I think there are others who are better in the past game right now. Clyde Edwards-Halear is very, very good in the past game. I think the Andre Swift has real good possibilities in the past game and showed some of that at Georgia. But I think as a runner, I think Taylor is the best runner in this draft class. Is there been a position, and frankly it may be running back,

where you feel with more certainty, college to the pros, you can look at it and say, this is going to work at the professional level? Wow, that's a really interesting question. I think if you rush, runners, you might say runners. Because I think that running is a trait. You know, guys are good backs. They're not good backs in terms of how they run.

Now, you have to be careful in college. And I'm thinking this as you ask the question. You have to be careful in college with the nature of offenses because there's many spread offenses in college where backs run through holes versus very light. boxes, sometimes just five-man defensive boxes, which does not happen in the NFL. Taylor,

for instance, ran in a pro-style offense. He's an eye back, and he ran against a lot of eight-man fronts. He ran in confined space. I think in the NFL, to be a great back and a foundation back, you must be able to run effectively in confined space. Taylor can absolutely do

that. Swift showed the ability to do that because of George's offense. You know, there's a bunch of good offensive tackles. I watched a lot of SEC football, so I watched Andrew Thomas at Georgia, and I hear about all these other players. And I just big, solid, not real flashy. Just talk about him, because I know they love the guy at Iowa and Jetrick Wills and the kid at Louisville. And I watched Andrew Thomas, and I mean it just, he looks like a 10-year great tackle. What maybe isn't quite as flashy to some.

Well, I think he's a very good prospect. The way you're describing him is what he is. He's execution efficient as a run blocker and in past protection. I think he has everything you look for. He's highly competitive. He's got very good movement. I think he's one of those guys that you said. It'll be a day one starter at either offensive tackle position.

Now, as a pure athlete, I don't think he's purely as athletic as Jedrick Wills. And I know different people have rated the tackles differently. And I happen to like Will's the most of these tackles, but it's very close. Yeah. I think Will's is a far more, not far more, I think Will's is more athletic. And I think he's very nasty. And so I like Will's more as an overall prospect, but I think Thomas will be exactly what you said. And the tackle position will be in the eye of the beholder because there's four guys who theoretically could come in and start right away.

Worse is fascinating to me. A part of me believes that Worse could almost end up like Brandon Sheriff. and move inside and be an all-pro guard. Yeah, if I thought a guy would be a better guard, I'll just tell you, Greg, I don't think I'd want to draft him as high. I don't want to pay my guards that much. Well, it's funny to say that because Sheriff, I believe, was what, a fifth-round pick of the Redskins? And again, we can debate that, but he's turned out to be an all-pro guard. He's a very good player.

Yeah. So I would imagine, I love the draft. And there's so many elements to football. Do you love the draft? I do love the draft. I mean, I love, well, what I love is the evaluation of players. and then to see where they're drafted. I'm not a big mock or guest draft guy,

but I love the evaluation of players, and then I love to see where they go based on the specific team. Patch yourself in the back here. I know you're prone not to do this. Who's a guy in recent memory you really liked and people didn't talk much about him? And you knew it, and you said he's going to be special,

and he ended up being a star in the NFL. Wow, that's a hard question. God, because I see so many, guys. I don't have one guy that immediately pops into my head. I do look back, though, very often in my evaluations, you know, a year or two later, and then I see where I was wrong and I see where I was right. But, you know, I can't think of one of those guys right off the top of my head just because I cease. I mean, I look at 250 guys every year. I know. You give me a file on a bunch of them. You're the guy that told me two years ago. There's a kid named Jordan Love. Yeah, last summer. Yes. I mean,

Was that last summer? Yeah. I was a top five pick based on his 2018 tape, and we'll see where he goes. He's the most intriguing quarterback, along probably with Jalen Hertz. I don't like Hertz as much as everybody else. Well, Hertz is going to be a function of how somebody sees him. Do they see him in the mold of a Lamar Jackson, where you build your offense with the quarterback as a runner, more so than a ball distributor? Or do you see him as a more conventional quarterback, a quarterback that over time can essentially be a pocket player who does give you all the running.

elements but is essentially a pocket player. So Hertz will be one of those guys. You have to know what he is. Yeah. Greg Kosell, 40 years NFL films. Okay, Eve of the draft. We will talk soon. I can't wait to watch it tomorrow. Thank you, Greg. All right, Colin. Appreciate it. Thanks. You bet. Yeah, it's interesting about the running back and the cornerback position. Coaches have told me this through the years is that, you know, if you get a great

high school running back, he can play as a freshman. You know, it's just seehole, hit hole. And a great cover corner. There's technique, certainly. But if a guy can walk onto your campus and he runs a 4-4-5 and he's long and he's instinctive, you can put him out in the field as a freshman. Then you get to the offensive line and it's almost, you want a redshirt all of those guys. You want a redshirt offensive line. And so much of it is technique on the offensive line. Nick Wright, Joel Clatt, Callas Campbell, and Greg Kossell.

I'd say we had a good show today. Jimmy Johnson, Terry Bradshaw, next couple of days will stop by. Joy, thank you so much. Thanks. Great day. Great day for us. All right, going to put my mask on, get in my car, drive home, be safe, socially distance. And we will see you tomorrow on Fox Sports Radio and FS1.

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