The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Tom Brady, Tiger Woods, Lakers, and the Warriors

Episode Date: October 3, 2018

Colin discusses how New England Patriots QB Tom Brady, and PGA golfer Tiger Woods has changed the game, the star power of the Los Angeles Lakers, why the Golden State Warriors keep winning, and what interests him when watching sports. Guests include Philip Rivers, Rob Parker, Joel Klatt, and Chris Haynes. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening live in Los Angeles, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1, Joy Taylor is joining me on a, what will be a Wednesday today? It is a Wednesday. Good morning. Good morning. It is great to be here. We had baseball playoffs last night. We had the Lakers and LeBron debuting last night. You know, I think it's funny. I want to start with this. I think it's funny. I see a lot of

these young millennials out there on the internet. They're trying to convince me of what I should like. Don't try to act smart. Take a message from me. Don't outthink the room in life. Like Jurassic Park is about dinosaurs coming

back to life and eating people. That's going to work. It's going to make a billion dollars or more every movie. Well, the castings. I didn't think the plot was great. You know, the acting was, sh, dinosaurs coming back to life and eating people. It's going to make a billion dollars.

You go make that independent film. Nobody's going to watch. LeBron of the Lakers is going to be the most interesting team in the NBA. I know, I know. They don't have a chance to win a championship. Three teams in the NBA have a chance to win a championship. Warrior Celtics Rockets. That's it.

That's it. Then it's about 12 teams, you know, Toronto, Philadelphia, Utah, Oklahoma City, Lakers. They'll be really, really interesting and good. That'll be good teams. Not going to win a championship. And not going to win a championship. But it's so funny, Zach Lowe is like this podcasting guy. He's one of those smart millennials.

And he was having his ranking yesterday of the most interesting teams to watch. He had Philly 1, Boston 2, Warriors 3, Lakers 4, Nuggets 5. Stop it. dinosaurs eating people is going to beat your independent film. The Lakers are going to be the most interesting team in the NBA to watch. Who cares if they don't have a championship? By the way, when Brett Farrve went back to the Minnesota Vikings, they weren't one of a bunch of playoff games.

They didn't get a championship. It was the best watch in the league. Legend changes teams. LeBron, the number one brand to the number one brand Lakers. Fascinating. T.O. to Dallas didn't win. lot of titles. Superstar. Biggest brand. Fascinating. A Rod to the Yankees didn't win a lot of titles. One, superstar, biggest brand. Let's not outthink the room here. I mean, you know, it just cracks me up.

First of all, so last night, I go out and L.A. is the opposite of like Green Bay, Wisconsin, where everybody in Green Bay, nobody moves to Green Bay for jobs. People don't move there for the weather. that people that live in Green Bay are from Green Bay. People that mostly live in Green Bay. It's a small town. They don't go there for jobs. Los Angeles is the opposite of Green Bay. Half the city is not from here.

None of my neighbors are from L.A. None of my neighbors are from L.A. You go to a restaurant in Los Angeles, chances are 30% of the people in there or less are from L.A. So I go to a restaurant last night. They got the Cubs on, huge brand in a playoff game scenario. And you got the Lakers and LeBron on an NBA preseason game.

Everybody's watching the Lakers. I mean, it's like, well, that's because you're in Los Angeles. This isn't Green Bay. It's the opposite. It's not Milwaukee. This is not Juneau, Alaska. You're not moving there for jobs. Los Angeles is transient, the most transient city in America.

And like dinosaurs coming back to life and eating people, LeBron in Los Angeles with this team, just say it out loud. Just say it out loud. LeBron, celebrities, L.A., Rondo, Lanzo ball, maybe LeVar, magic, chasing banners. You don't think that's interesting? The Denver Nuggets is fifth for Zach Lowe. He had the Bulls sixth. If the Nuggets and Bulls were playing on one channel in America and LeBron the other,

who are you watching? I mean, don't outthink the room, millennials. You're all trying to convince us how smart you are. Oh, I'm an analytic and I watch. NFL is still the king. The Pro Bowl crushes virtually, you know, every NBA game that LeBron's not in. So, you know, I'm watching this thing last night.

I'm just laughing. You can't take your eyes on that stuff. Don't fight the obvious. Don't fight it. Jurassic Park, dinosaurs, people. They're eating them and chasing them. Every one of them is going to make a million bucks. Sorry if it's not sophisticated.

Sorry if it's not an independent film. Sorry if you don't like the plot. I'm watching it last night. I can't take my eyes off that thing. Just to defend millennials, I happen to love Jurassic Park, and I've never been critical of the plot line. And I also think that the Lakers are going to be the most interesting. Because you're secure with yourself.

Sports story this year. You don't feel like you have to constantly prove you're smarter than everybody else? Well, I think that there are things that are supposed to be smart, and Jurassic Park is just not one of them. It's wildly entertaining. And what's interesting doesn't necessarily have to make sense. And what's interesting doesn't know is when a championship. Right.

Like, I'm sorry, but Brett Farve to the Vikings, you could not take your eyes off that. Baker Mayfield has no chance of winning a championship with the Browns this year. It's still a story we talk about almost every day. All right, let me shift gears to this. So yesterday, it's one of those morning shows where they have news and a bunch of cooking segments. It's called Good Morning America. And Giselle Bunchen is Tom Brady's wife. Yeah, there was always that kind of struggle, like she wants him to retire,

and Tom doesn't want to retire. and Giselle Bungeon was on Good Morning America and finally came to terms with Tom's love for football. Tom has talked about his retirement. He kind of said, I'll play five more years and you've had said some other things. But in the book, you kind of said, what will be will be. I never seen someone love something as much as he loves football. And it makes me happy if I said anything in the past is because you have a concern. You know, no one is going to hurt someone I love, you know.

You just feel very protective of them. So obviously, if someone hurt my children, my husband, anyone I love, I get like a lioness. You know, I want to like, I get more. First of all, she's cool. But I mean, listen, if your girlfriend or your wife likes to dance, let her dance. And if your husband likes to play football, let him play football. Don't try to change people. You know, they've done studies on this.

Like 80% of people never find something they truly love, professionally. That's like a shocking number, meaning 80% of people drive to work and they don't really love their job. And by the way, jobs like a third of your life, a third of it's sleeping, a third of it's your job, and then a third of it's like family and friends time. That's miserable to think that 80% of America drives to work on Monday and doesn't like their job. I say this all the time. I'm the luckiest guy on the earth. I literally, it's Sunday. I'm thinking about Monday. But why would you quit something you're great at, something you're paid well at, something you have passion for, something you're still amazing at, something that

it benefits you, your life, your kids, your family, you're still healthy. If Tom Brady was 17 surgeries in, I'd get it. If Tom Brady had eroded, I'd get it. If Tom Brady hated going to work, I'd get it. There was this moment with Tom versus Time and Giselle. It was actually a very, very funny moment when they were still kind of struggling with the football, how long to play it, what to do, should you stop? Remember this moment? I mean football, as far as I'm concerned, it's like his first love. I mean, he really is. And I think it's like his main love, really, quite frankly.

And if it tells me like, it's true. That's actually really cute. It's really funny. You know, here's the thing is that there's two athletes in my life that have really been different, not just because they're dominant. But Tiger Woods and Tom Brady are different. And Tom Brady and Tiger Woods are different. Not because they're just so great and they are.

But they've literally changed the way other athletes in their sports eat and sleep and drink and what they don't drink. Tiger Woods forced every other golfer to go, oh crap. No fried food. I got to have abs. I got to be in shape. And I got to go to the weight room and take care of myself. Go to golfers pre-Tiger Woods. They looked like Craig Stattler.

They were heavy. They were thick. They weren't in shape. The pants were too tight. They didn't look good out there. Now look at them. They're all like cut. All of them.

You don't see heavy golfers anymore. Tiger Woods changed what golfers ate, what they did with their spare time. How they got, that they went to the gym. Tom Brady, Drew Brees, doesn't announce this, but quarterbacks now in the league look to Brady, they eat better, they don't

drink during the season, he's changed how they sleep, what they sleep in, like that's changing. That's a life changer. It's only been two athletes. Like, the brawn's great, but I don't think he's changing how guys eat. Like, Tiger and Tom Brady have done that.

And, you know, all I got to say is if you get into a relationship with somebody, appreciate what they are, embrace what they are. She wants to dance. If she wants to play the piano, if he wants to cook, if he wants to whittle, let him whittle, let her dance. It's a good thing.

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Really, really fun. One may even make you a little bit of money. So stick around. That's in one. hour from now. So it's amazing. In the last 16 games for the Chargers, they're 11 and 5. Their losses are at New England, at the Jags, at Kansas City, and this year, Rams in Kansas City. They only lose to the good teams and close, but they're in a city with the Rams. We're in a world now where offenses everywhere. I told you before the season, Vegas had them at 18 to 1. They were the best team in the NFL that nobody talks about, and their quarterback is Philip Rivers joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network. I'm watching you.

You have 11 touchdowns and two picks. I saw you play against Dallas last year, where you were 27 to 33, 440 yards, 3 TDs, no picks. You came into this league, Philip, and it was defense, and it was running, and now it's a video game. And I'm watching you and I'm thinking to myself, if I'm Philip Rivers, I've never never had this much fun. It feels like you guys, guys like you veteran quarterbacks have essentially mastered this game. That's what it says on TV when I watch you. Does it feel like

that to some degree? It's easier now. I don't know if it feels that way, but it is crazy. The number of points are being scored all around the league, the amount of offense that's being played at a high level. We've had a pretty good stretch. You mentioned going back to last year, finishing the second half of the season. And, you know, this year, decent start, a lot better than the 0-14 last year here sitting at 2-2 after the first quarter. But I don't know that it's ever easy. But it's certainly, we've been in a pretty good stretch here the last 10-12 games.

You know, a lot of people have talked about Patrick Mahomes and how he played with Alex Smith and how it was a great advantage playing with a veteran. You came into this league and Drew Breeze was around for a couple of years. And it's frustrating because you were a very talented kid. You'd started three years at NC State. You come into the NFL and you were good enough to play, but you had kind of a conservative coach.

You had Drew Breeze there. But did you learn stuff from Drew in those first couple of years? I did. I think it's tough as a competitor. And you mentioned playing all four years in college, actually. It was tough to sit. I'd never set ever. So it was tough. But I look back and I appreciate that time with Drew.

I think I learned how to have a routine, how to prepare over a 16-week season, how to do the same thing every week, whether you win a big Sunday night game or lose one. and he was very consistent, very steady. I got to see the game from the sideline, which I never had done. So I appreciate those two years. I do think there came a time when you can only improve so much from watching. You've got to go at some point. Thankfully for me, that came in the third year.

But I am thankful for that time. It was tough. There was some tough Sunday afternoons driving home, tossing that game playing in the back of the truck, you know, not using it. But I learned a lot. It made me appreciate the role of a backup. I can tell you that. So all the guys I've had since then,

I really appreciate that role because the time they spend, the hard work they put in, and then often they don't ever get in the game. But when they're called to get in the game, it's, hey, we need you to go win it and finish it. So it made me appreciate that role as well. You know, when I look at Philip, it's fascinating. There are, Alabama didn't have a starting quarterback in the NFL. Ohio State doesn't. LSU doesn't.

Texas doesn't. Florida doesn't. But there was a time a couple years ago, NC State had four. Big Ben's from Miami, Ohio, Drew Brees, Purdue, Matt Ryan, Boston College. It is remarkable to me how many guys like you went to non-traditional powers in college, and virtually our league is all guys like you who didn't, you weren't surrounded by NFL receivers and backs, and you didn't get maybe a scholarship from an Alabama. I have always contended that that's a big advantage for the Phillip Rivers and the

Drew Breeze, that little chip on the shoulder that, you know what, you didn't quite get the love in college. It was a little harder in college. I mean, that's kind of my, I can't, you know, Patrick Mahomes. He ends up going to a non-traditional power. Jared Goff, non-traditional power. I think that's something. I think it's a real thing. Do you? Maybe there is. Maybe there is something to it. I certainly wouldn't wanted by everybody in the country, but at the same time, the NC State wanted me bad. You know, Purdue probably wanted Drew bad. You know, I mean, so you went to the play. that truly wanted you. So there was some value in that.

And I always dreamed about, gosh, I want to play Auburn so bad. I want to play Alabama. Can we get a chance to play Tennessee? You know, never getting to play those schools that you wanted to want you as a high school kid that didn't. So maybe there's a little bit to it. But I think it also just goes to show any high school kid out there. You get a chance to go play college football. You got a chance.

I mean, we've got guys on our roster. And as you see all over the NFL that are from every conference, from Division 2, FBS. I mean, they're from everywhere. If you can play, they'll find you, and you can have a heck of a long career. By the way, we're seeing more college concepts in the NFL. I see it with the Rams. I see it with Matt Nagy and the Bears. Are you guys bringing some college stuff? Are you comfortable with it? Do you like some of it? I think there's an element to it. You've seen a lot more of the speed sweep stuff. A little more of the, you know, the old RPO term gets brought out a little more than it probably ever thought it ever would in the NFL.

But I still think at the end of the day, when it's all said and done, you've got to be able to convert third downs from the pocket. Yeah, I got to be able to line up on third and short and run power and run downhill lead. So I think those things are good. And they certainly allow you to spread the field. It gives you some easy completions. And I do think it's probably here to stay. But I do think what wins in the end are the ability to convert third down, score in the red zone

on a third and goal from the six. There's no trick them in that deal. You've got to line up and execute. So I still think at the end of the day, that's what wins. Okay, this weekend you'll play a home game against the Raiders. But Los Angeles, frankly, has always been a Raiders town more than a Rams town. And there's a chance you'll be at that game and it'll feel like you're in a road game. That's a weird way for the next year or two for something for you to have to deal with.

It doesn't feel like sometimes you have a true home game. Deep down, is it bother you? How do you, when you walk into that stadium and you see all the black and silver, does it bother you a little? I think, I think to answer you truthfully, deep down it does. Deep down it does a little bit. But I think having last year to get used to it a little bit and having had the experience of 65,000 Charger fans there over my career, that I'm able to deal with it. It is what it is right now.

For our young guys, I think maybe he's a little getting used to even last week. you know, Durwin James comes in here from Florida State, you know, and trots out there, and it's like, wait a minute, I'm used to 75,000 fans at home games in Florida State. So I think for the young guys, it's not what maybe they expected. I think for the guys that were here last year that experienced it a little bit, we know how to handle it. And I also still think it comes down to continuing to find a way to win football games last year, late in the year.

It really, the environment started to change a little bit. And you mentioned, I mean, the Raiders and Niners and some games are going to be that way. But I think if we can get on a roll here, we've got a chance against the division opponent to win our second one in a row and hopefully get on a little bit of a roll, I think late in December over at the Stubhub, it'll be all right. Finally, Philip, I said before, I consider you a Hall of Famer and Carson Palmer a Hall of Famer,

but a lot of times with Hall of Fame votes, they look at championships. Is it a fair question to ask, do you believe that you need deep down a Super Bowl or an AFC championship to validate to some people your career? Well, I mean, I leave that to the people that like to hash those things out. I mean, I know the name of this game is winning. I know that that's always been my goal, our team's goal, is to get to the top of the mountain.

And we haven't done that yet. So I know that comes with a position. Quarterback and head coach are the only two to have their record tied to it. But I've never looked at it as I'm going to win a championship. It's about us and about us trying to get there. And we haven't done it yet. And so obviously that's the ultimate goal. When that other discussion takes place, will that be the determining factor?

You know, I don't know. You know, I think that's the long debate that you never can decide. I think I may even told you this. You know, looking back Tom Brady, who I think is arguably maybe the best ever won of, for sure, that game against the Seahawks in the Super Bowl, they have that interception to win. And immediately after that interception, everybody said, Tom Brady is now the greatest quarterback of all time. Whereas I would have contested, well, what if Seattle would have scored?

Tom Brady just played the same game. He's the same player. He wouldn't even on the field. And so I think those arguments are kind of, I mean, they can go on forever. But I really, I don't play for that reason. I'm thankful to have a, I've had a successful career. But I play for these guys and this team and this organization. And we won't like crazy to stand up there with the trophy one day.

We haven't done it yet. But we're going to keep plugging away. You know, you are an amazing dad to several kids. You're an amazing guy. but every time I ask players, I say, who's the big trash talker in the NFL? They're like, oh, God, Philip Rivers. He's just chatting over there. He's talking trash like crazy.

I'm like, Philip Rivers? He's such a nice guy. And they're like, yeah, you can be a nice guy as a trash talker. So you have a reputation as the league quarterback who trash talks. Are you proud of that? Do you take pride in that? Well, I think what I can say I'm proud of is you could have me miced up and get 45 minutes of footage and there's nothing you got to beep out.

And then there's nothing that I couldn't. show any of my children, you know. So I think that part I'm proud of. And I think more than anything, it just catches people off guard, the fact that there's a quarterback that interacts with you. Most guys, most guys don't. I don't interact with them as much as I used to. I've kind of tempered that a little bit. But I just like to have fun. You know, I play as if I was in the backyard with a bunch of my buddies in the ninth grade, you know, and that's the way you play. You just have to be on TV in front of a bunch of cameras, and people seem to catch more and more clips of it, but I just enjoy playing. It's been a dream of mine to play this game and play in the

highest level in the NFL. I had posters of Elway, Marino, and Montana, and Aitman, and Farve and Manning on my wall as a young boy. I got to play against some of those guys, and I'm getting to do it here at 36 years old. So, I mean, I just, I'm thankful every time to try it out there and play a little ball as a grown man. Well, yeah, I know you said you don't want to play to play to 45, but don't give it up too soon. Pleasure to watch. 11 TDs, two picks, heck of a player, is going to be a Hall of Famer. Philip, 15 years, 7 of him and a pro bowler. 11 TDs, two picks again this year. Congrats on your success and good luck against the Raiders.

Thanks, Colin. Thanks for having me on. You bet. Players are so funny. They're like, oh, man, he's just talking trash. You know, Larry Bird was known as the all-time. Larry Bird was the all-time trash talker in NBA history. And then you'll meet other guys. LeBron's not a big trash talker. He's not a big trash talker.

Some guys are, some guys aren't. Gary Payton. Remember Gary Payton the glove? Legendary Trash Talker. Philip Rivers, he's got a little chatter to him. I like it. I wish that more quarterbacks were like that. Because, yeah, they have the, especially now, especially now. Well, actually now it might not be such a good idea since they're completely protected.

So it's kind of like, eh, I don't ever want to hear from you right now. Joy Taylor, with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right. So the disconnect between Ben Ruffisberger and Ninton. Antonio Brown continued Sunday against the Ravens.

Antonio Brown was held to five catches for 62 yards on 11 targets. And the Steelers were held scoreless after halftime. But Mike Tomlin remains confident that the duo will figure it out. We missed some opportunities in that game, no doubt, particularly on possession downs. But I've seen that tandem a lot over the years. They'll smooth it out. They'll find their rhythm. We'll spend a lot of time in the offseason working to minimize tandem, such as Ben and AB.

and usually over the course of the journey, the cream rises and they'll show what they're capable of. They've done it for a long time. I anticipate that happening while we continue to work to infuse some of our new targets into the mix. They'll find their rhythm. They'll be the formidable tandem that they always are. Yeah, I don't worry about those two.

Right. Of all the things that the Steelers are having issues with Antonio Brown and Ben Ruffisberger are not the thing to be concerned about. And look, like the Ravens defense is good. It's like he said, there are people games. planning to stop, I don't know, Antonio Brown and Ben Rathesburger from being successful. Yes. So it's not unheard of that they would have a bad game.

But it's just with everything it's happening with the Steelers. There's a lot of noise around them. It's like Seattle the last two years. There's just a lot of noise around Seattle. And generally in football, noise is not a great thing. NBA is a little different. You can have noise around a basketball team. The Warriors have noise all the time.

They're talking. They're battling. They're doing politics. Basketball's different. But NFL's noise isn't great, and they're a noisy franchise right now. Last year, the Cowboys were a noisy franchise, and they had a problem. Well, you can be noisy as long as you're winning. But when you're noisy and you're not winning, then it becomes a problem.

Because everything is amplified when you're losing. So, speaking of the Cowboys, we're in week five, and Des Bryant still isn't on an NFL roster. So we saw him visit the Browns and Hard Knocks, but we really haven't heard much from him since then. well he revealed on social media yesterday his preferred destination he tweeted he wants to resign with dallas but if not he'll be ready to play somewhere else so of course everyone is freaking out when you get dumped you always want him back right that's the psychology of being dumped like when you when you get dumped by so even if somebody that you were even if you were in a relationship and you were tired of them what do they say about facebook like people go back and they have memories of relationships

relationships in high school and college. Well, you romanticize relationships and situations. And you do that with a lot of things. You do this is with old jobs, obviously. You have an old car. I love that old car. Meanwhile, when you had that car, it was stuffing coming out of the seats,

and it took 35 minutes to heat up before you could start it. Yes. But, I mean, this is the workout video he posted yesterday. I get him wanting to be back with Dallas because I don't think he ever wanted to leave Dallas. I don't think he ever thought he was going to leave Dallas based off of his relationship with Jerry Jones. Listen, there are, when you get dumped in anything by a job, by a person by a team. That never leaves you.

You can tell everybody it doesn't leave you. It never, ever leaves you. By the way, Westbrook will always have that little thing with Kevin Durant. It's going to be with Russell Westbrook. He can say it doesn't matter. It matters. Could you see the Cowboys resigning him? No.

I don't. I think that ship has sailed and they're done with it. And there probably would be some, you know, you could always go back to the well. He learned his lesson. but I think when he was in the room, he was toxic, and that's why they got rid of him. I don't know about the learning a lesson thing, because he's still talking about the Cowboys. Especially after all the things he said about the Cowboys staff, there's no way he's going back there. Finally, LeBron made his Staples Center debut last night as a member of the Lakers.

That minimally interesting team, the Lakers. Yeah, marginally fascinating. The crowd finally got its first Major LeBron highlight with that dunk in the first quarter. It was sold out. And LA is not like an attendant city. Nobody here cares about that. It was sold out. For preseason games.

Yeah, there was baseball playoffs on. You got the Dodgers in the playoffs. They got Cubs going on. Got NFL and Rams. L.A.'s got beaches, a lot of do. Sold out. I've never even watched an NBA preseason game until last night. I've never watched one in my life.

Never watched one. I'm sure I've watched preseason games, but I mean, it's NBA preseason. Look at that place. Look at that. This is, L.A. is not into a, attendance. We don't feel like prouder of ourselves because we go to games here. It was like an

NBA real game. Well, they lost 113, 111. Oh, did they? My wife asked me, she goes, who won that game? And I said, I don't know. I just watch on LeBron play and I turn it on. I mean, it doesn't. It's NBA preseason. It doesn't matter. But LeBron did have this to say about his debut.

It's a new beginning. It's a new start. It's a new excitement for myself. So it's fun. I do think that LeBron is excited about being with the Lakers. And especially because even though the team is young and then there's a lot of pieces that have to come together and stuff, it doesn't have the feeling that it had in Cleveland

where it's like it's your responsibility to make this team great. And it's your responsibility to bring this franchise like to glory for the first time, really. Because the Lakers have such a historic place in the NBA history. And especially this year, there's just not a lot of pressure. Look, places sold out. People just want to see what's interesting. They just want to see LeBron and the new Lakers. We've got to come up with a nickname for them besides the meme team, the meme dream team.

Is that what they're calling them? The meme dream team? Yeah, I think so. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. I was saying yesterday, being patient, being patient in life is hard.

And I have two things in about 45 minutes that are shocking. shocking to me, and I almost can't be patient enough not to tell you one before next hour. That's how much I'm struggling. I don't get shocked much in sports. I watch sports, you know, very, you know, I mean, obviously O.J. Simpson's in a Bronco on the freeway running from police. I was shocked with that. There are things occasionally in sports.

I'm like, well, I didn't see that one coming. Yeah, Agassie wrote in his book, I did meth. I'm not going to lie to you. Kind of surprised me. In his prime, where's I, Andre? He's doing meth. All right. I didn't see that one coming.

But generally sports doesn't offer, there's not a lot to surprise me. A couple of things surprising me today, and I'll get to that. Coming up next, I know sometimes you think, Colin, you pick on this guy. Colin, you give that guy favoritism. I try to be honest.

And honestly, it appears Aaron Rogers is struggling once again in a relationship with somebody in football. And why would I be shocked? That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9 a.m. on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

Saturday, we have a huge day of college football. First is the Red River Showdown between No. 19, Texas and number seven, Oklahoma. Followed by Indiana taking on third-ranked Ohio State. Coverage begins at 11 a.m. Eastern on Fox and the Fox Sports app. Why can't people be honest and admit Oklahoma's offense? Baker Mayfield left. It's the same offense. Quarterback last week had six touchdowns, no picks for a zillion yards.

against Baylor. It's the same offense. Lincoln Riley, Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray. By the way, Lincoln and Riley used to coach, I forget where he coached before this and his last two quarterbacks put up absurd numbers. It's nothing against Baker. It's just, you know, I mean, you watch other programs when they lose their star quarterback. You know, they're not the same program. Texas was never the same when they lost Colt McCoy. They were never the same. They were never the same program. Baker Mayfield leaves. I'm going to talk to Joel. in an hour about that. I watched Oklahoma this weekend. It's the same team. Same plays, same completions. This guy runs around better. By the way, borrow up to 40 grand to pay off your credit

card debt. Joy doesn't have any, but if she did, she'd go to Lendingclub.com slash sports. Lendingclub.com slash sports. Let me ask you a question. A serious question here. If you're watching me, I want a serious, I want you to think about this for a couple seconds. Joy, I want you to think about this, John and Greg. is discipline a skill, is likability a skill? Is it a skill to be likable? Yeah. Okay. In the professional setting, yes.

Is discipline? Yes. A skill. Yes. Okay. So you say two yeses because I agree with you. I say yes to discipline. I mean, that's why they have drill sergeants.

There you go. So I think discipline is a skill. discipline people, no to that food, no to that opportunity, no to that flirting. No, that's a skill. It's a mindset. You have to be, you have to get up early, work out every day. That's a skill. Okay, you're not born with that.

It's hard to get up and work out, even if you always get up and work out. I have to talk myself every day into working out. I don't want to get on that treadmill. I really don't every day. I also think likeability is a skill. Sometimes we're all moody. Sometimes we're all in a bad mood, but to walk into a room with other people and be considerate and likable and agreeable, I think is a skill. I think that's hard to do on a lot of days for a lot of us.

I would call that emotional discipline. Well, yes, exactly. I think you're right. Tom Brady, by the way, is great at both those. Aaron Rogers is less great at both those. So here's an interesting story. Two years ago, this is written by Mike Flore. veteran NFL reporter.

Two years ago, evidence emerged, palpable dysfunction between Aaron Rogers and Mike McCarthy's relationship, with Rogers openly questioning the sideline energy, which is something obviously a coach would have a lot of say with. Aaron Rogers bristled at it, called it crap. Well, on Sunday, Rogers shared concerns. Get ready for more crap, Mike Florio said. Rogers shared concerns about an offensive attack that doesn't sufficiently feature Devante Adams and Jimmy Graham. The quotes point clearly and unmistakably to the game plan, something for which the coach is solely responsible. This time, though, McCarthy opted to engage Aaron Rogers in his passive aggressiveness.

He said, quote, Aaron's given a lot of responsibility and rightfully so. He's earned that at the line of scrimmage and during the preparation process. firing back at Aaron. So my takeaway is, oh, once again, likeability, discipline. It's not really Aaron's not nearly as good as Tom at this. I was told years ago by an NFL source inside that Green Bay building that Aaron Rogers with Jay Cutler, but just with a lot more talent, Jay Cutler, condescending and difficult. These have been documented.

Aaron Rogers struggled with Brett Favre. It's been written and reported and acknowledged. Aaron Rogers has struggled publicly. Dad, brother called him out. Publicly, teammates have called him out. Tom Brady gets along with everybody. Seemingly, Aaron Rogers gets along long term with nobody. And yet the media, 11 years of fawning.

Do you believe discipline and likability is a skill? I do. Tom Brady walks into that building. He's pissed off some days. He's in a bad mood some days, but he's emotionally disciplined. He's emotionally available. He's not condescending. He has every right to be furious often. 18 years, we've seen one or two actions from Tom, little social media stuff, praising gronk. We see it from Aaron Rogers constantly. Years ago, you know like Monday night football, Sunday night football, when they have the introductions and the players tell you where they're from. And a couple of years ago, Aaron Rogers didn't mention Cal.

And a friend of mine told me, yeah, he's struggling now with Cal. And I couldn't verify it, so it may be a bunch of hooey. But it was on, remember this moment on TV? I doubt many of you remember it. Aaron Rogers, Butte Community College. He wouldn't say Cal. He talked about his junior college. Now, I tried to get verified through Cal Athletics,

so I can't hold that against him. But there's always been a reason why transcendent talents. Dan Marino, Carmelo, and Aaron Rogers don't win more. The big one. There's always a reason for it. That reason is not something I'm going to talk about on the air all the time. I don't want to be mean-spirited. I don't want to make it personal.

But when stuff comes out and people take shots at people, then I feel like I'm open to talk about people. There's a reason Carmelo Anthony doesn't win more. I'm not going to get into it. There's a reason Dan Marino didn't win more. I'm not going to get into it. But Aaron's stuff becomes, it becomes documented. It becomes reported.

And once again, if you think discipline, an emotional discipline, and likability are a skill, Aaron's not great at that. He's not. And we see it again. And Ian McCarthy battling again. They've been battling for years. They don't advertise it. They've been battling for years.

And I think there's a reason. reason. It's not always somebody else's fault. The media's been fawning. You know, I was thinking about this, is that Jerry Jones, there's a new book out by Gary Myers, longtime New York NFL reporter. And there's a quote in there. A lot of cowboy fans get very frustrated, very frustrated with Jason Gareth head coach. And an excerpt, the book is called How About Them Cowboys by Gary Myers? And one of the excerpts, each year Garrett is near the top of the list of coaches on the hot seat. That speculation always followed by Jerry issuing strong words of support.

Jones likes him and is averse to starting over with a new coach. You know what this is? Age is a powerful thing. And I've said this before. If Nick Saban was 52, he would leave Alabama. He left LSU at 53. Nick Saban, 66, he don't want to start over again. The other day, I asked somebody close to Pete Carroll.

I said, USC may have a new football coach in six months. Would Pete Carroll consider it? And he said, no. He wants to go hang out in Hawaii with his grandkids. He didn't want to start over again. Because Pete Carroll could be offered that job if USC had an opening. Here's the thing. Bill Parcells and Jimmy Johnson were better coaches than Jason Garrett.

They were. But Jerry's now like, you know, getting close to 80, and that's a lot of energy, and that's a lot of tension, and that's a lot of drama, and that's a lot of arguing. Age right now, it is a real thing. It will make a lot of decisions for you. And I think Jason Garrett's safe and Jason Garrett's comfortable. And I don't think Jerry maybe has the energy level or the interest in going into a dog fight again because he and Parcells could be rough. and Amy Jim Johnson could be rough. And I think it's a real thing.

I really do. You see this all the time in the NFL where the old, I remember Brett Farv at the end of his career in Green Bay. Brett Farv had a quote that I never forget. Brett Farv said, I just don't want to learn a new offense. I just don't want to learn a new offense. So he wanted to go to Minnesota.

I think it was like Darryl Bevel was the coordinator so he could run the same offense. And that's generally when you know it's time to get out of a business. and that's now. Jerry's not going to give up the cowboys. But when you start making decisions based on, I just don't have the energy to do this, that's probably a good time to, you know,

revisit your strategy or, and like Brett Farb at the end in Green Bay, I just don't want to, I don't want to learn a new offense. Well, what if it can help you win more games? I don't want to learn a new offense. Then you should think about retirement. And I don't think Jerry's going to sell the team. But I think Jerry Jones deep down,

if Jerry Jones was 10 years younger, I think after this year, if they're 7 and 9, he'd move on. I think if Jerry was 15 years young, And Jerry's not a guy that hires and fires guys. He has a loyal streak to him. He does. He's loyal to players.

He's loyal to coaches. They kept Dave Campo for a long time. And it wasn't working ever. He could have certainly kept Barry Switcher won a Super Bowl for him. He had one terrible season. He could have kept Barry longer. He could have fired him. So I look at this as kind of, it's one of those things.

Age has a big, big influence on decisions. And if Jerry was 10 years younger, I just don't think he wants to go through the argument anymore. It's a real thing. Rob Parker, a Joel Clatt, Chris Haynes, great NBA guy, will join us. Boy, that was fun last night. Boy, that thing was fun last night. Buy, sell or hold next hour. Okay, there are two things.

I don't get shocked in sports. But there are two things in sports yesterday that I saw. One can make you money. That I was literally like, wow. And I don't have a lot of those. I'm not a big wow. You know, you do stuff long enough. I mean, if you're a chef and you're working a kitchen for 30 years, there's not a lot of wow moments.

You kind of seen everything. Everything you're going to see in a kitchen you've seen. And have you been working in education for 30 years, you've been a school teacher. There's not a lot of surprises. A kid's not going to do or say something you probably haven't seen most of the time, even if they're crazy kids. But yesterday, a couple of wow moments for me. We got those both coming up. Untucket.com.

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Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. The instigator at our network, Rob Parker in a few minutes. Joy Taylor is joining me. Hour 1 flew by tomorrow Patriots and the Colts, which is a great Thursday night game. Two shocking things in sports in 15 minutes. Very rarely am I shocked. two things. One you could make money on. Shock me. And I'll have that coming up. So I've said this for years and years and years. Anybody that's listened to this show for any

duration, I root for interesting. That's what I root for. I root for interesting. So I root for traditional powers. You know, I think college football is better if Ohio states plan on a big stage. Nothing against TCU, nothing against, you know, Army, Navy, nothing against the other programs in America, nothing against Oklahoma State. I like interesting. I like A Rod to the Yankees. I like Brett Farr of reemerging against rival Minnesota. I like T.O. to the Cowboys. I like drama. I like interesting. Okay. So LeBron last night debuts for the Lakers. It's only a preseason game. But if you're betting against this working, it's going to be the most interesting thing in the NBA this year. Listen, a lot of people are

paralyzed with wins. How many are they going to win? They won't win the title. They won't win the Western Conference. Don't get paralyzed by that. The Warriors now, they don't even care about regular season wins. Nobody remembers regular season wins in the NBA. It doesn't matter. Are you changing a city? Are you changing a team?

Are you changing a culture? Are you changing the league? This is the number one player on the number one brand. It's going to be fascinating. This is A-Rod to the Yankees. It's Harbaugh to Michigan on steroids. It's A-Rod to the Yankees on steroids. It's Farr to the Vikings on steroids.

It's T.O. to the Cowboys on steroids because LeBron's better than all those guys. So Doug Gottlieb said it yesterday. We were all kind of wondering, is L.A. going to accept him? Is L.A. freaking out? And Gottlieb had this to say. I think most Laker fans are so happy LeBron's here. We're like, man, we got hope. 99% of Laker fans are fired up because they know.

LeBron gives them hope this year. And then somebody else is coming next year or maybe mid-year in a trade. He was right. Sold out. Pictures everywhere. Palpable buzz for a preseason game. And here's the other thing. I know this is not a popular thing to say.

But there's a couple of places in New York where stars are most comfortable. New York and L.A. They just are. If you're a star in Milwaukee, people stare at you. If you're a star in Orlando, you know, you feel like a fish out of water. Like this is where fish belong in the water. Stars in New York and L.A. are amongst other stars. This is a very comfortable town for celebrities.

They don't get gawked at. It's not a mob scene. That's why players like coming here. LeBron is going to fit in Los Angeles. It's going to be interesting. He's going to be comfortable. And with that, I bring on the FS1 instigator, Rob Parker on the show, a college professor at UFC.

Good morning, Joy. Bring that, Colin. What's up? What is going on? So it must be hard for you because you've been critical, unfortunately, of LeBron through the years. It must be hard for you to stomach that sellout crowd and that seamless offense last night. Not at all. I mean, the only reason it was a sellout is these are the real fans who won't be able to get into the regular season games. So they had to go to this game because the rich people aren't willing or don't want to go see this.

You know this. You don't watch a preseason NBA game. Unless somebody gave you the tickets or you just happened to come across them. That's the only way you would go to that. But this is going to be interesting. It's going to be fascinating, right? I'm not buying all that. I think it's going to wind up being a bad sitcom, Colin.

That's what I think will eventually happen. You've heard of eight is enough. You remember that? Yeah, as a kid. Yeah, this is going to be not enough. And this is going to be a situation where people at first will be all in thinking that something's happening here and they're going to win the Western Conference and they're going to go to the NBA finals.

And then those kids aren't ready and those castoffs that they signed as well with LeBron aren't working out. And then they'll go, oh, LeBron doesn't have anybody. And then the whole narrative will be about A, he doesn't have anybody so you can't blame him that they were the seventh or eighth seed in the Western Conference. And then who's coming next year? Who are we going to get? Everybody keeps talking about this like it's automatic. Colin, nobody wants to play with LeBron. I keep waiting for somebody to tell me, name the guy.

All the new guys, even Jimmy Butler says, I won out of Minnesota, right? He could have named any team he wanted to. He said he wanted to come to L.A., but to the Clippers. He wanted to go to Brooklyn. He wanted to go to New York, to the Knicks. So you don't think players want to play with him? I just don't see it. Where's the evidence?

Even when LeBron was in Cleveland with the free agency the first time before he went to Miami, me. He was trying to get guys to come to Cleveland with him. People should want to play with the greatest player on the planet. I don't care where it is. Oh, it's Cleveland. Who wants to be there and all this? Dude, it's six months out of your life and you're on the road for half of those games. So it's not really the place. It's about who the guy is. You don't think this is going to work. You think it's going to be a 37-win team? 43. I'm not there. Wow.

43, mark it down. It's not going to be 50 like everybody. I've got a couple chicken wing bets with friends. They got 53 wins. Are you kidding me? That's taking candy from a baby. They won 35 last year. You know, if LeBron wasn't here, I would argue they'd win 41, 42 without him

just because the young players would be healthier and better. I just think the Western Conference, I saw this guy. LeBron, did he not struggle last year against the Pacers and Oladipo? It was a struggle there. Was it a struggle against Boston? He won seven games series. No, I got it. But a struggle without their two best players.

All I'm saying is the Western Conference is much better than what LeBron's been playing against over the last decade. That's all. A couple of NFL things. Jason Garrett, you know, I said this before, is Jerry's not going to replace him. There's a book out by Gary Myers called How About Them Cowboys. And Jerry doesn't want to replace him. And are you comfortable with that? you know what this is like

one of the this not everybody thinks it's a mystery how come Jason Garrett's never on the hot seat but Colin this is the reason why and look at this graphic here Jerry Jones he might as well have hired howdy duty

I mean when you look at Jason Garrett on the sidelines the only thing you can't see are the strings because this is all about Jerry Jones he's coaching the Cowboys the reason that they haven't won is because he won't go out and get a real football coach right that will push back

against him, and he's running the cowboys like a mom and pop store. He won't get the NFL people to make the decisions. That's why they are where they are. They're no longer America's team. They're South America's team. Because they're always under 500. Come on. That's what they are.

You don't think, you think basically Jason Garrett is essentially, just essentially a puppet for Jerry. That's what, it's in the book mentioned by Gary Myers. And I buy into that because they made the playoffs two out of the eight years he's been coached and you think the cowboys are closer any closer to winning a Super Bowl

since he's been there? No, I don't. That's a fair point. I do not. I do not. And then if I were to ask you, what are the cowboys? What are they? I don't think you could give me that.

No, do they have a, do the Dallas Cowboys have a, what's the word I'm looking for? Do they have a brand? Do they have a, no, do they have an identity? Right. Like what, like you look at teams, certain teams. or defensive. Some teams are offensive. I would say they're a running back-led team,

which outside of Sean Alexander in the 2005 Super Bowl, you just don't get to the Super Bowl with a running-back-led team. In fact, many of the great running backs, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Ledeni and Tomlinson, didn't even have playoff wins.

Like, struggle to win playoff games. Forget the Super Bowl. So they're, you know, it's very funny. Nobody likes the coach in Dallas. You know, a lot of people push back, and a lot of push back on DAC. Would Jerry be comfortable with a great coach a superstar quarterback.

No, I don't think so. And that was the problem when he had Bill Parcells. You know what I mean? When you have a guy who have a strong take on football and is going to not just listen to the owner because you write the checks. So I think once he decided that he doesn't want a guy like that, I think that's why the Cowboys are in the situation.

People can go crazy over the Cowboys all the time. But look at where they are now. They're a bad football team. They're not great. They're certainly not elite. And I know they beat the Lions this past week, but that was a given. I mean, after the Lions beat the Patriots, I knew they were to fall right back into lionese and go right back to where they were.

Okay, Tom Brady, his beautiful wife yesterday, what a loving couple. She came out yesterday and she said, listen, he loves football so much. I'm going to let him play. And it was really, it was very cute. It was actually an amazing moment. Good morning, America, Giselle Bungeon. Joy, can you pass me a tissue? You got a tissue over there.

I think she's an incredibly cool woman. Here's the moment. Tom has talked about his retirement. He kind of said, I'll play five more years, and you've had said some other things. But in the book, you kind of said, what will be will be? I never seen someone love something

as much as he loves football. And it makes me happy if I said anything in the pastes because you have a concern. You know, no one is going to hurt someone I love. You know, you just feel very protective of them. So obviously, if someone hurts my children, my husband and you want to love, I get like a lioness.

You know, I want to like, I get my... She's very secure in her. I love her. She's the best. She's great. But you don't buy into Brady. No, I just think that where we are now, and I'm not... He's one of the greatest

as far as accomplishments for a quarterback. I give you that. I've always said, Colin, he is a great player. I've never said that. Has he been lucky over his career? Yeah, but the next. narrative now is like a fairy tale.

That's where we are. I'm expecting magic beans and other stuff to come into the... But the reality of Tom Brady this year is that the Patriots are averaging nine points less than they did a year ago. They're not the team that everybody's making them out. I know

Miami didn't show up. They get that blowout win. Everything is not cured. Miami never got off the bus for that game. But Tom Brady, look at some of these numbers here. They're not good. They've all gone down for Tom Brady. They're nine points, nine points

less, which is the biggest drop in the AFC. And then you start looking at his completion rate. Tom Brady's 21st in the league. Okay, but can I push back on this? Sure. So his number one receiver, Julian Edelman, has been hurt. They let Nate

sold or left tackle. Dionne Lewis and Danny Amandola go. Wasn't it sort of expected? If you're a football fan, September was going to be bumpy for Tom. But the only problem is the narrative has always been. He doesn't have anybody. He makes anybody, he can get a guy from 7-Eleven who worked on Saturday, played for Tom Brady on Sunday and catch two touchdowns. That's the narrative. Now that he doesn't have some of these weapons that everybody's now saying,

well, you can't blame him. This is the LeBron factor. This is where these things keep coming up. For guys that people like and are enamored by, they make every excuse. The bottom line, and the fact, Colin, is that Tom Brady hasn't played that well this year. You saw the Lions game. You thought he played well? No, but I think there are, in life, there are reasons and excuses. Dog ate my homework's an excuse. It was on a school bus and it got T-bone.

That's a reason you're late for school. I think when you don't have Edelman and you let Dionne Lewis, who is really good go, Danny Amandola go, Belichick, September's always been very much an extension of preseason for Belichick is his worst month. I think these things are explained. I think something's going to happen tomorrow night that's going to shock people. Maybe shock people, maybe not. What he predicted the Colts upset victory?

No, I am predicting that New England will win the division. I don't think there is good, by the way, because I don't think they're dynamic enough in the perimeter. And I don't think they have a pass rush. And those will, in the end, they will succumb to those two. I don't think Brady's the issue. By the end of the year. Do you believe Tom Brady will win another Super Bowl?

Why does it have to be? No, I'm asking. I think he will be in the Super Bowl conversation for the next two to three years. He'll be in that group of five or six teams. Yes. I can't see it. Not with the defense and not where Tom Brady's headed. I want you guys to look it up.

Google it. Take a look at Brett Farves when he was 40 years old, his numbers. They're almost equal to Tom Brady when Tom was 40. And look at 41. They fell off the cliff. And that's what's going to happen to Tom Brady ultimately. USC professor FS1 instigator Rob Parker. Congratulations on all your success.

By the way, he and Chris Broussard now to a radio show, Fox Sports Radio every day. What time is it? 4 to 7 Pacific 7 to 10 is the odd couple, Fox Sports Radio, and yes, I'm Oscar. How's that? That's good. My cell hole. Okay, two things shocked me in sports yesterday. I'll have them both.

I'm shocked rarely. That's coming up. In Los Angeles, it's the herd. Tomorrow we've got a huge early season matchup. It's Andrew Luck and the Colts going to Foxborough to take on. Tom Brady and the Patriots. Tomorrow at 730 Eastern on Fox NFL Network and streaming on Prime Video. I thought that would be a very good game.

Okay, so two things in sports. Yesterday shocked me. Are you ready, Joy, for the one? I'm going to start with this one. Okay. In the NFL, I do my blazing five picks, and I've been doing them for years. And I guess spreads. in the NFL, good quarterbacks, Andrew Luck would qualify as a really, really special quarterback.

Never get 10 and a half points. Ever, they just don't. You don't give Matt Ryan 10 and a half points. You don't give Big Ben 10 and a half points. You don't even give flacco 10.5 points. You don't give Brady, Rogers, Breeze. You don't give top quarterbacks 10 and a half points. The Colts are getting 10.5 points.

It makes no sense. It is easily the biggest line of the week. If I said to you, Brady and Luck, biggest spread of the week, it's a short week. It's not even one of those weeks where you have extra time. And by the way, what does it tell you? I tell you, every year there is a line in this league that is a booby trap. This is it. Take the Patriots the cover.

You're thinking to yourself, how in God's name can you give a top quarterback? By the way, Andrew Luck is on fire. He became the second quarterback in league history last week. He's finally got an offensive coach to throw for 450 yards, four touchdowns, no picks, and lose. It's only happened two times. And I don't care that he's 0.15 against the Patriots. I don't care that his touchdown interception ratio is 2 to 1. and with the Patriots, he has more picks than touchdowns.

I don't care about that stuff. The key in this game is the Colts have abandoned their running game. They have no running game. They're 30th in rushing. And even with Andrew Luck, who's having a remarkable year, their 24th in total offense. You never see a top quarterback get 10 and a half. It's a sucker bet.

This is going to be a blowout guy. I don't even want to say this. It's on Fox. that line makes no sense. Every year there's a line, I'm like, that's the greatest line I've ever seen. This is it. By the way,

five colt starters did not practice yesterday due to injury. That line, there's one a year, is a shocking NFL betting line. It tells me the Patriots are going to win in a route. Luck, Brady. Two of the top seven, guys in the league.

Route. We don't even like New England. Before Sunday afternoon, we were bailing on New England. Ten and a half? Ten and a half is what the Patrick Mahomes and the chiefs at Kansas City would be against the Jets. That's ten and a half in the NFL. This is not college football. So that's the first surprising thing.

Joy Taylor has the second surprising thing. Here's the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Oh, you know. Some things, it has changed everything, right? Right.

It's changed the course of history. Overhead video of the very famous Matt Barnes, Kobe Bryant, no flinch, inbound play emerged yesterday on the internets. And what it showed was that Kobe was actually standing a little to the side of Barnes. So this video came out yesterday. Yes, so you can see it here. This is legendary video that we saw for years. Now, we saw the floor angle, not the aerial view for years.

I hope FS1, our producers, directors have that. Yes, it's right here. Now watch. This is what we saw for years. And we were all like, ooh, Kobe. Kobe is one bad mama. Then we got the overhead video. Right.

And people are saying, we made this narrative up that didn't exist. Well, look, I think, you know, as we tend to do on the internet, it's a little exaggerated. Kobe is still, it's not like he's a foot off. I mean, and Kobe's kind of going back. He's kind of, you know, putting his weight back and forth on the edge leg. Okay, so this is why Twitter is full of buffoons. It's people that don't matter trying to matter. If you look at the video, it is still an inch from Kobe because Kobe's swaying back and forth.

Yeah, he's swaying back and forth. Yesterday, everyone was freaking out like, oh my God, Kobe Bryant is literally toe-to-to-to-to with Matt Barnes. The ball is right in front of. of his face. It's like people, this freaked me out yesterday. I'm like, how did nobody know this? And I'm like, you have to watch it a little more closely. Everyone was freaking out about how far. I like how we freeze it. Yeah. When you freeze it, you can really see it. Because if you're just watching it like on your phone, it looks like Kobe is so far away because Kobe takes this one big step to the left and it looked like Matt is holding the ball on the other side of his hit.

So freeze it. So we know he's one inch away right there, right there. And then that's, that's and go to this downview, which also shows. So he is, now watch. It's still, the internet yesterday freaked out. Kobe is still unbothered. And it is still one inch from his face. Losers on Twitter, you would still flinch. I told you, it's the vortex of insanity.

It's just absurd. You have to do your research. Stop getting your news from memes. Listen, I did too. When I first saw it, I was like, oh, my God, this is tragic. because this is just part of the Kobe, the Kobe legend, the Mamba mentality that he is, he's just no fun.

It was a huge part of his entire global reputation. The tough guy was this play. Yeah, and it's still there. You just have to watch the thing all the way through. Yes. If you screenshot it and Matt is holding the ball to the side of his hip and Kobe's leaning over to the other side because he's changing the weight in his feet,

then it looks like it's not. But when you freeze it, when he throws it up, he's still in from his face. Yes. I can't believe we're breaking this down. I know, but it literally bothered me yesterday because I freaked out. I mean, we're like Mythbusters.

Yeah. We're fixing things for the world. There you go. Kobe fan, she can still rejoice. He's still tough. All right. Speaking of tough, Deshawn Watson was probably the player that was returning from an injury over the summer that I was most excited about.

But one year after tearing his ACL, he's already been sacked 17 times through four games. He's been hit 43 times and is on pace to be. hit 172 times this season. Yeah, he's getting the you-know-what kicked out of him because the Houston Texans right now have the league's worst offensive line. Seattle's not good. The Texans is atrocious.

Well, Bill O'Brien wants us to know how much of a tough guy Deshaun really is. He's got good physical strength. There are certain things that we do not want him to take a hit on. There's other things that we do that he loves to do and we like to call him. And that's part of the way he plays. I think he's really smart about it.

For the most part, when you look at how he deals with those plays, he gets his pads down or he ducks out of bounds or, you know, he's a very, very smart runner. And, you know, so that's something we try to build her on. It's really tough for Deshaun because he was a really exciting electric. I mean, he was what Patrick Mahomes is this year, last year. And he's having a really tough. time. At least the way that this offensive line is constructed right now, this isn't going to be

the season that we expected from Deshaun Watson coming back off that injury. And finally, speaking of Patrick Mahomes, he has one of the strongest arms in the NFL, and we know that. But before his fourth quarter rally against the Broncos on Monday, he threw a football right over the mountains. Look at least 90 yards with ease and warm up. Watch this. Look at how easy that is. Look at this. That is in. incredible footage. And I mean, he's not cranking it. Watch. No.

It's nothing. And that ball at least, well, it goes minimum 60 yards. It's at least 90 yards. How far do they say it goes? It goes easily 60 and then I lose it. Good God, is he of a cannon. It's like a golf shot. How hard is it to lose the sight of the football?

So they're saying it went 90 plus yards. Yes. God. Oh, there you go. You can see it right there. Look at this. He's not even cranking it. In the end.

Well, he's a really good all-round athlete. Aaron Rogers is not throwing that ball 90 yards. He was recruited to play baseball. And he also played basketball too. Oh, my God. Big Ben is not thrown at 90 yards. That's incredible. I mean, I'm sure they could throw it, but it would not look like that effortless.

God. Oh, joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. One of the reasons we get in every day and we prep, we like to find new cool stuff, and total passing touchdowns through the first four weeks are getting smashed. There's 228 passing touchdowns through the first month, four weeks of the NFL.

That is smashing every record. Now, we told you before the season, we said, bet the overs. That was our big thing before the NFL season. I said it five or six times. These guys has been a witness, bet the overs, bet the overs, bet the overs, bet the overs. the helmet rule, the catch rule's been flipped to help the receiver, not hurt the receiver. So we knew there'd be better scoring. That's obvious.

It is, and it's huge. But here's what's really interesting to me is that many of the best quarterbacks, right now, Mahomes would be the MVP second year, Goff would be co-MVP third year. Carson Wentz last year's second year MVP. It never worked that way in the NFL. Even if young guys came in, Tom Brady, that first Super Bowl was a defensive Super Bowl. Big Ben's first Super Bowl was a defensive Super Bowl.

Drew Breeze didn't hit until year eight in the NFL. What is happening now in the NFL is real. Young guys are coming in and they're taking over the league. Because the NFL, it's not just rule changes. Because if it was just rule changes, if it was just rule changes, the old guys would still get all the stats. I went this morning to look something up. something is happening in the NFL.

The bust rate for quarterbacks is going down fast. So what does bust rate mean? First round quarterbacks from 2002 to 2013. Okay. 12 years, 35 quarterbacks drafted in the first round. 23 were busts. That is a bust rate of 60% over half the guys in that 12 year period. were a bust. Can't play. Some played a little, some played a lot, some didn't play, busts.

Yet, from 2014 to now, last four years, 16 first round quarterbacks, two busts. Paxton Lynch can't play and Johnny Mansell. Some of that's just an addiction issue that's been reported. He's out of the league. The bust rates 12%. That is a real thing. And that is for, here's Trentville for yesterday explaining why not only young guys are not busts, they're taking the league over. Innovation worked its way down from the NFL to college to high school. Well, about 10 years ago, maybe even longer, it started working its way up.

College coaches were going to high school programs and going, whoa, we're going to recruit a kid, but we love what you're doing offensively. Why don't you come to our school and teach us this? Well, then all of a sudden, NFL programs start bringing college coaches in saying, how do you guys do that? teach us how to do that. And it became a league of can.

I think that's a huge reason why you're seeing the scheme changes. I think what you're seeing in the NFL now is young, the NFL made a decision. How can we take the most important position and make it work instantly in the NFL? And they have brought the college offenses to the NFL. And it's allowing Wentz in his second year to be an MVP. Mahomes in his first year as a starter MVP. Goff in his third year when he gets the right coach looks like an MVP.

So the bust rate is plummeting. Translation, if you can get a quarterback in the first round, get one. And even if you think maybe, you know, I don't know how he'll transition. This is why Baltimore probably said, you know what, maybe in other eras, we don't take Lamar Jackson first round, we're going to go for it. Because I've got to tell you, Donald's not going to be a bust. I've seen Rosen. Baker's not a bust.

Josh Allen got shut out last week, but from what I've seen, he can play. So the four guys who are playing are not busts. Josh Allen can play. He went to Minnesota. When you got the right game plan and protection, dude can play. Lamar, we don't know yet, but I will say this about Lamar, looked way more comfortable against the Steelers than he did the last time I saw him. That was the most comfortable he's looked.

So that's, yeah, I mean, here's a problem. Yeah, that's the greatest example. Mitch Trubisky, six touchdowns last week. You got to be kidding. When's the last time Tom Brady threw for six touchdowns? I mean, you're bringing the college stuff, you're bringing it to the NFL and these college kids, they're ready to play. It's like microwavable. They are ready to play.

Look at, even in the NBA, think about this, think how great Kevin Garnett is, think how great LeBron James is, think how great Anthony Davis is. Think how great these players are. They don't make any impact in the league for like six years. Anthony Davis didn't do anything his first four or five years in the league. LeBron didn't do anything his first four or five years in the league. Kevin Garnett didn't do anything for the first four or five years in the league. Even these transcendent college basketball stars or guys go straight high school to pro. They don't have any impact first four or five years in the league.

They're not changing the world. They make their team better. They're not changing the world. These guys are literally taking the league over. Wentz, Mahomes, golf. It's exciting. It's got me all worked up. Coming up next, Clay Thompson, NBA guys, are either get it guys or don't get it guys.

I love Clay Thompson. I'll tell you why. Plus, Joel Clatt, going to have to eat it. Oklahoma's offense, better. Without Baker Mayfield. I said it. It is.

That's next. In L.A., it's the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. By the way, Clay Thompson said something yesterday, a member of the Golden State Warriors, not their best player, not their second best player. Some nights not their third best player.

Their nights, he's their fourth best player. They even have a good bench. Great coach, star coach. Clay Thompson was saying, this is why it would be really hard for me to leave the Golden State Warriors. I know what it means to be the leader, the captain, the stat stuff and all that,

but I don't think this is Steph's team. I don't think this is Dave's team. I don't think this is Draymond's team, my team, Andre, Coach Kerr, I think this is our team. I think we really, because without each one of us, we lose a huge part of this team. So I think we all understand that. I've been to the mountain top.

I know it feels like to win and win with some of your best friends. This is what's amazing to me about the NBA. Jimmy Butler wants to go score more points and get more shots. Like I've literally come to a point with the NBA. There's two kinds of players in the NBA. The get it guys, LeBron, Clay Thompson, Steph Curry, Dwayne Wade, Chris Paul. that want to be part of a collective. And then there's the don't get it guys.

Derek Rose, I'm not recruiting anybody. John Wall. No, I'm good. I want my shots. Carmelo. Like, literally the league is now, get it guys and don't get it guys. I've had Jimmy Butler on the couch. Dude, when did Amazon pop?

Amazon used to just sell books. They popped when they said, we'll sell everything. The collective. Music festivals. You're not the only dude on stage. The big money now is in music festivals, the collective. The big movie now is not just one star. It's superhero movies with multiple superheroes and multiple stars.

Chris Pratt can be on the same movie as James Brolin and, you know, Robert Downey. The Collective. Like, literally I look at NBA players now. get it guy or a don't get it guy. Clay Thompson's a get it guy. This Jimmy Butler has Carl Anthony Towns and Andrew Wiggins. Those are good players. And he wants out. So he can get more shots. I mean, that feels so Iverson-esque. It's like you got to be this. That's a smart dude. Like that guy gets it. I mean, all you have to do is look at LeBron last year. None of you

are better than LeBron. And he was the guy and he couldn't get it done. And he was worn out and frustrated by the end. I know everyone believes they're the best player, but like... LeBron is. We know who the best player is, and he couldn't do it. Shockingly, you need other pieces on a team sport to be successful. Doesn't Kevin Durant seem happier now?

Fewer shots. Not always the man and he's happier because he's a get-it guy. And with that, sometimes he's a get-it guy. Hopefully today is one of those days. is Joel Clatt, the voice of college football for this network. Hey, boy. First of all, we have a massive game this week. Huge.

Oklahoma, Texas. I'm going to say it, and you're not going to be comfortable with this, and you're going to whine about it, cowards a jerk. Listen, I don't worry. Kyler Murray, Baker-Mayfield leaves. I watched Oklahoma. Their offense is better. Kyler Murray, the guy's like a jerk buggyz.

He's all over the field. He throws beautiful deep ball. They're not better, but you don't think the offense is better at Oklahoma. No, they're good. They're very good. The statistics are basically even. They're basically the exact same right now. Kyler's going to have to do a little bit more with his feet than Baker did just because of the loss of Rodney Anderson.

He throws the ball down the field better than people give him credit for. Look at this guy. The same as Baker. This guy, I will say this for Kyler. Kyler's the most unique quarterback I've evaluated in a long time. Here's why. He is elite as a runner. Normally when you have elite runner,

at quarterback. They're not great throwers of the football. This kid is. He's a great thrower of the football. I'm telling you. The combination is as good as I've seen maybe ever. And trust me, I've talked with the Texas coaches this year, the FAU coaches, the UCLA coaches, all these coaches are going to face him.

Every single one of those coaches are like, never seen this before. By the way. Never see anything like it before. Wyoming's not as good without Josh Allen. USC's not as good without Sam Darnold. UCLA can't win a football game without Josh Rosen. Louisville's not as good without Lamar Jackson. Listen, Oklahoma's better without Baker Mayfield.

Why does this have to be a Baker thing? Because the last time I checked, Cleveland is actually relevant now in the National Football League because of a guy like Baker Mayfield. Very good defense. He's a great thrower of the ball. Unbelievable. They're not even in that game without Baker Mayfield.

Why do you make this about Baker Mayfield? Hey, hey. It's called Big J. journalism. We touch on all the subjects. Big J journalism. We don't avoid topics on this show. A lot of shows are scared of the stuff. Unbelievable.

Not us. This is Big J. Journalism right here. That's a T. You just made a tea. Trouble. Journalism's trouble. No, I will say this. And you know how I feel about this.

I have told you, I think college football is getting a little regional for my taste. I think Tom Herman's close. I don't think he's close enough to win. I think Oklahoma's going to win this game. But I will say this. Tom Herman is working. Here's all I've ever said. When you take over a program, by the middle of the second year, I've got to see growth.

And you're seeing it for them. I'm seeing total growth. Texas next year. Texas is a 11-win team. Maybe this year, Colin, I'm telling you, maybe this year. Think about this now. He's lost seven games as the head coach of the Texas Longhorns. Five of them, they had the lead in the fourth quarter of those losses.

I'm not even talking about the games in which now they've clearly turned the corner when they're beating USC score in 34 straight points beating a ranked opponent. Beating up on TCU, by the way. Didn't allow TCU to score over 17. That's three straight games that their defense has held the opponent under 17 points. they're legitimate. And I'll tell you this too. In this game specifically, yes, Oklahoma's unbelievable. Lincoln Riley probably the best offensive mind in college football. He's the Sean McZey of college football. Yeah, absolutely. He's probably going to get NFL looks at the end of the season. Guess which

defensive coordinator is like kryptonite to Lincoln Riley? Todd Orlando at Texas. When he was at Houston, what did Todd Orlando do? Beat Oklahoma. Last year, only defensive coordinator hold Oklahoma under 30 points. Only one. Georgia didn't do it. Ohio State didn't do it. Texas was the only one that did it. So I'm just telling you this game likely going to be lower scoring than you think

and tighter than you think. I got to tell you something. I love, and I've been to Austin a half dozen times, and I don't know why this is. I always as a kid, I loved Michigan football and Texas football. It was the uniforms. Wait a second. Two weeks ago you were trying to tell me those two schools were not football schools.

No, no, no, no. I didn't say they were the best. They're not the best football town because they're stuff to do in Ann Arbor and stuff to do. All I'm saying is, you were telling me that they weren't football schools. It's better when Texas and Michigan are good. There's no doubt. It's just a way better sport. There's no doubt.

I'm watching Texas this weekend. It excites me. But I will tell you this, all you sooner fans out, they're cow is a joke. Let me tell you something. Oklahoma's offense is better this year. They're not. Where do you get that? You just got that out of thin air.

I'll tell you, again, watch the tape. Have you watched the tape? I have this week, actually, multiple times. You watched the game tape? I watched the games. You said the tape. I'm talking about the real stuff like the actual tape. Maybe you can be committed like me.

You'll watch games all day. All right, here's the second thing. I'm going to say this. This guy's amazing. Okay, hold on. So I watched Notre Dame. Now, I predicted they would throttle Stanford. I got to tell you something.

Notre Dame fans hate me. This is the best Notre Dame team. is the best Notre Dame team since Lou Holtz. I'm not joking. This is a better Notre Dame team than went to the national championship. Absolutely better. Not even close. And this is a serious contender for the playoffs.

No question about it. By the way, Stanford's a good team. At the end of that game, they wore Stanford out. And you can say, listen, back-to-back road games against ranked opponents, Stanford was going to be war out. But Notre Dame did that. Now, here's the one thing that the fact that Brian Kelly went to Ian Book is a huge, huge upgrade for them.

Do you know in the first three games? They scored 70 total points in their last two. They've scored over 90. No, no. There's so much more explosive on offense because they can throw it. Watch Notre Dame size up front. Yeah. They look like Alabama.

They look like Auburn. They look like Ohio State. They are big and physical. I'm concerned for them for one reason. Why? Their leader up front, Alex Barr's, is done for the season. He's a guard. He's a captain.

He's played as a star. and parts of over the last three seasons. A guard? And you're worried about that? Well, think about what this team is now. They're still a run first team. Look at this kid. Dexter Williams, by the way, ran for over 160 yards

and his first game back from a suspension. So they're for real. And here's the deal. The meat of their schedule, Colin, it's already over. It's over. It's over. So they've got three more road games. They're at Virginia Tech this weekend.

A Virginia Tech team that had 600 yards put on them against Old Dominion. They've got them. They got Northwestern on the road, Southern Cal, on the road. They've also got two neutral site games. This is an oddity now. Two neutral site games are going to play at Yankee Stadium against Syracuse. They're also going to play at Qualcomm down here in San Diego

against Navy, which is a really interesting game, and then they've only got two home games remaining. But, imminently winnable that schedule. No, no, you and I are not fanboys for Notre Dame. Notre Dame fans hate me. I told a friend of mine a USC fan. I said, they're going to throttle USC.

They're going to come out to the Coliseum and throttle them. Probably. When I watch them defensively, Michigan's got a good team. For that first half of that game, they were grabbing and throwing Michigan over the field. And Michigan's a real football team. They're not great, but they're a good football team. This is a team that is significantly better than the offensive team that went to the BCS National Championship, and they're better on the defensive side as well.

I fully agree with you. And now we have to start the conversation, at least in part, Colin, about which two conferences are going to get left out. Because Notre Dame, as an undefeated, is going. And that is as a 11 or one team. So Alabama's in. Notre Dame would be in. Ohio State had, Ohio State doesn't play Wisconsin.

Do they yet? No, they would face them potentially in a competition. Okay, that'd be the title game. And I think they beat them. Just say this. Bama, I know it's early, but in college it's not. Once you get through the media schedule, it isn't that early. To me, what my eyes are telling me, the teams I've seen are Alabama, Oklahoma, Ohio

State and Notre Dame. I can live with that. That would be finally we get out of this Clemson-Bama thing. And I got to tell you something. When you watch Notre Dame play, watch them up front. Let's just put it to you this way. Okay. If Notre Dame and Clemson both go undefeated, I'd take Notre Dame.

So would I? Better schedule. Way better schedule. Way better schedule. I'd take Notre Dame in a heartbeat. Notre Dame is looking really good. By the way, as an 11-1, they might get included. You know, so, I mean, they're in a great spot.

They are a serious contender for the college football player. Can we get Brian Kelly on the show? I want to be nice to Notre Dame for a change because I really like them. I remember, do you remember when I was defending Notre Dame against you and I called them a preeminent brand in college football? It's cold. First of all, I was right the entire argument until this year. Do you remember when you said Baker Mayfield was undraftable? Yeah, I wouldn't have drafted it.

You grab your stuff, I'm out on you. Okay. We won a game in the first time. The first time in 600 days for an organization. What a game in the NFL? He hasn't won a game yet as a starter. He doesn't want a game yet. You're right.

He had to get inserted as a backup and come back from a 14-point deficit. Nobody had film on him. I mean, it's like literally he came on the field. It's like, oh my God, it's Spider-Man. I don't even know what he does. Guess who else doesn't have film? You just have game copies. All right.

I'm done for the day. Almost upset. Who's your almost upset? I was thinking. ASU is probably going to beat Colorado. I used to say it, Buffs. Do you think it's going to be close? Probably going to be close.

ASU is an outright dog. Colorado is 4 and 0, but they've beaten on teams that are combined 1 and 16. We've got to go, clat. Almost upset. Hour number three, this in Los Angeles is the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1, Joy Taylor is joining me. If you're not into energy, you won't like our third hour.

Because we are bringing it, baby. Very, very fired up today. that Kobe video's got me all freaking out you gotta just do the tiniest little bit of research I know it's difficult everybody Kobe's not the black mom but he's not the assassin he's soft do three seconds of homework

you know what it is you remember when you didn't understand you didn't know what a word meant and your mom made you go look it up in the dictionary yeah well now we have Google which I love but you know it takes it takes a step out of the research you know we're just a little bit lazier

There's a society. I'm on Google all the time. Yes, Google has made a lot of people's lives a lot easier. I love it. It used to be when I was a kid, if you memorized sports, you're like, man, that guy knows like the Kansas City Royals left fielder top of his head. Like, why would you memorize sports? Just go to Google and ask who's the Kansas City Royals left fielder.

It does make things easier. Trivia doesn't matter anymore. I can just look everything up. Well, it's kind of cheating. But my overall point is, you know, we don't bother to do any research anymore because, because we just feel like if it comes across, it must have already been vetted, and we react to it. We all have sides on stuff, and we don't know anybody to change our mind.

We wake up in the morning, and this is it, and it's like, watch the COVID video for five minutes. You'll be fine. Coming up in 15 minutes, great NBA guy, Chris Hayes. Haynes has a great guy. He's been on our show several times. Chris now works Yahoo, NBA insider. Chris Haynes, very happy for him.

Some thoughts on what he saw last night. He's not high on the Lakers, by the way. He's not high on the Lakers. in best for last, Aaron Rogers segment he's not going to like. So I watched the preseason basketball game last night. LeBron's home debut in Los Angeles couldn't keep my eyes off it. So let me start right there. I see a lot of these young millennials out there on the internet.

They're trying to convince me of what I should like. Don't try to act smart. Take a message from me. Don't outthink the room in life. Like Jurassic Park is about dinosaurs coming back to life and eating people. That's going to work. It's going to make a billion dollars or more every movie.

Well, the casting, I didn't think the plot was great. You know, the acting was, shh, dinosaurs coming back to life and eating people. It's going to make a billion dollars. You go make that independent film. Nobody's going to watch. LeBron of the Lakers is going to be the most interesting team in the NBA. I know, I know.

They don't have a chance to win a championship. three teams in the NBA have a chance to win a championship. Warrior Celtics Rockets. That's it. That's it. Then it's about 12 teams. You know, Toronto, Philadelphia, Utah, Oklahoma City, Lakers. They'll be really, really interesting and good.

That'll be good teams. Not going to win a championship. And not going to win a championship. But it's so funny, Zach Lowe is like this podcasting guy. He's one of those smart millennials. And he was having his ranking yesterday of the most interesting teams to watch. You get Philly 1, Boston 2, Warriors 3, Lakers 4, Nuggets 5. Stop it.

Dinosaurs eating people is going to beat your independent film. The Lakers are going to be the most interesting team in the NBA to watch. Who cares if they don't have a championship? By the way, when Brett Farr went back to the Minnesota Vikings, they weren't one to a bunch of playoff games. They didn't get a championship. It was the best watch in the league. Legend changes teams.

LeBron, the number one brand, the number one brand Lakers? Fascinating. So I go to a restaurant last night. They got the Cubs on, huge brand in a playoff game scenario, and you got the Lakers in LeBron, an NBA preseason game.

Everybody's watching the Lakers. I mean, it's like, well, that's because you're in Los Angeles. This isn't Green Bay. It's the opposite. It's not Milwaukee. This is not Juneau, Alaska. You're not moving there for jobs.

Los Angeles is transient, the most transient city in America. And like dinosaurs coming back to life and eating people, LeBron in Los Angeles with this team, just say it out loud. Just say it out loud. LeBron, celebrities, L.A., Rondo, Lanzo ball, maybe LeVar, magic, chasing banners. You don't think he that's interesting? The Denver Nuggets is fifth for Zach Lowe. He had the Bulls sixth.

if the nuggets and bulls were playing on one channel in America and LeBron the other, who are you watching? I mean, don't out think the room, millennials. You're all trying to convince us how smart you are. Oh, I'm an analytic. And I watch. NFL's still the king. The Pro Bowl crushes virtually, you know, every NBA game that LeBron's not in.

So, you know, I'm watching this thing last night. I'm just laughing. You can't take your eyes on that stuff. Don't fight the obvious. Don't fight it. Jurassic Park, dinosaurs, people. They're eating them and chasing them. Every one of them is going to make a million bucks.

Sorry if it's not sophisticated. Sorry if it's not an independent film. Sorry if you don't like the plot. I'm watching it last night. I can't take my eyes off that thing. All right. Let me shift gears to this. So yesterday, it's one of those morning shows where they have news and a bunch of cooking segments.

It's called Good Morning America. and Giselle Bunchin is Tom Brady's wife. Yeah, there was always that kind of struggle like she wants him to retire and Tom doesn't want to retire and Giselle Bungent was on Good Morning America and finally came to terms with Tom's love for football.

Tom has talked about his retirement. He kind of said, I'll play five more years and you've had said some other things. But in the book you kind of said, what will be will be. I never seen someone love something as much as he loves football. And it makes me happy if I said anything in the past.

Because you have a concern, you know, no one is going to hurt someone I love. You know, you just feel very protective of them. So obviously, if someone hurts my children, my husband, anyone I love, I get like a lioness. You know, I want to like, I get like, I get, right. First of all, she's cool. But I mean, listen, if your girlfriend of your wife likes to dance, let her dance. And if your husband likes to play football, let him play football. Don't try to change people.

You know, they've done studies on this. Like 80% of people never find something they truly love professionally. That's like a shocking number. Meaning 80% of people drive to work and they don't really love their job. And by the way, jobs like a third of your life. A third of it's sleeping. A third of it's your job. And then a third of it's like family and friends time.

That's miserable to think that 80% of America drives to work on Monday and doesn't like their job. I say this all the time. the luckiest guy on the earth. I literally, it's Sunday. I'm thinking about Monday. But why would you quit something you're great at? Something you're paid well at. Something you have passion for. Something you're still amazing at. Something that it benefits you, your life, your kids, your family. You're still healthy. If Tom Brady was 17 surgeries in, I'd get it. If Tom Brady had eroded, I'd get it. If Tom Brady hated going to work, I'd get it. There was this moment with Tom versus Time and Giselle. It was actually a very, very funny moment.

they were still kind of struggling with the football, how long to play it, what to do, should you stop? Remember this moment? I mean, football, as far as I'm concerned, it's like his first love. I mean, he really is, and I think it's like his main love, really, by frankly. And if he tells me like, it's true. That's actually really cute. It's really funny.

You know, here's the thing, is that there's two athletes in my life that have really really been different, not just because they're dominant. But Tiger Woods and Tom Brady are different. And Tom Brady and Tiger Woods are different. Not because they're just so great,

and they are. But they've literally changed the way other athletes in their sports eat and sleep and drink and what they don't drink. Tiger Woods forced every other golfer to go, oh, crap.

no fried food. I got to have abs. I got to be in shape. And I got to go to the weight room and take care of myself. Quarterbacks now in the league look to Brady. They eat better. They don't drink during the season. He's changed how they sleep, what they sleep in.

Like, that's changing. That's a life changer. There's only been two athletes. Like, the brawn's great, but I don't think he's changing how guys eat. Like Tiger and Tom Brady have done that. And, you know, all I got to say is, if you get into a relationship with somebody, appreciate what they are,

embrace what they are. She wants to dance. If she wants to play the piano, if he wants to cook, if he wants to whittle, let him whittle, let her dance. It's a good thing. I really like Giselle Bunchen.

I really do. She's got self-esteem. Like she's okay with her man loving something. Well, she is a supermodel. Yeah, but that's just appearance. She has good cheekbones. Well, I mean, I'm not saying she's just a supermodel. She's doing a book.

That's why she's doing a lot of this press. I just think she's cool. She's an amazing mother. She's an amazing mom. And she's not just a supermodel. She's like one of the most successful supermodels of all time. And she's grounded. Like she's into the right stuff.

Like a lot of flaky people in Hollywood. She's had her moments with controversy though talking about the receivers and such. But that was a long time ago. I like people who I find her to be of all the supermodels, the most grounded, coolest supermodel. Because usually supermodels are like Perez and Sylvain. Chrissy Teagan's pretty cool. Is she?

I don't know who. Is that John Legend's wife? Yeah. I don't know. I think I like that because it's very rare. Somebody once told me this. In an intense business, have a sense of humor. And in the funny business, be serious.

In a crazy business like modeling in Hollywood, grounded people win. Tom Hanks wins. Denzel Washington. Well, it's a lot like sports. You know, you can never, in a business that's so voluminous. well, it's how you can never get too high or too low. Right. You know, like when something great happens, appreciate it, but don't lose your mind.

Go look at the artistic community in America. Music and arts and acting, the grounded people win. Not the most talented, the most grounded people win. Because there aren't many grounded people. Hollywood brings out the worst in people. It's very narcissistic. It's very me driven. A lot of, you know, it's a self-esteem pothole.

More money, more problems. More money. That's what I say. I'm not a business man. I'm a business. Man? I quote rappers. It makes me feel so sophisticated. Coming up next, Chris Haynes, good NBA guy, got a new gig, and we're so happy for him. He's going to be stopped by. Plus, Des Bryant, cautionary tale for you millennials.

A cautionary tale. And that's coming up next. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. The NLDS begins Thursday on FS1. Nolan Aronado and the Rockies won an epic 13-inning wildcard game last night over the Cubs. Now they'll open the series in Milwaukee against the MVP frontrunner Christian Yelich and the Brewers. Game one of the NLDS tomorrow at 4 Eastern on FS1 and the Fox Sports Act. Brewers have won eight straight games and the Rockies have a kid that, you know, outside of Denver and baseball diehards,

nobody knows about Nolan Aronado, but he's the best third baseman statistically ever. He's the best fielding third baseman ever. He's the best hitting third baseman ever. And I mean, it's like he's the Steph Curry of Major League Baseball. But the NBA market stars better than baseball. It'll be a great series because it's a bunch of stars, but some of the best young players in the game are in that game. And Dodgers are going to have their handful.

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When it came to LeBron James, he covered LeBron and the Cavs for the Cleveland Plain Dealer. And now he's a senior NBA insider. Couldn't be happier for him for Yahoo Sports. Chris Haynes is joining us. Finally, we get him in person. We get him in person. Not just some guy in a cruddy phone line. How are you doing?

Great to finally meet you. Okay, so let's let's, you've covered LeBron. I've said this before. Aaron Rogers is great, not the easiest guy to coach. LeBron is great, not the easiest guy to coach. Okay, and I have no problem acknowledging that I love him. And I think he and Luke will have their moments. I've been told through the years, LeBron at this point,

doesn't want to put a lot of practice time in. That's why his teams tend to start a little more slowly. So give me your guess. Do you think it'll be a quick start or a slow start? I think it's going to be a slow start. And thanks for having me, Colin. Oh, you bet. This is a nice setup over here, man.

I feel home. Not only do we do real journalism here, we got like crown molding and stuff. This is Uptown, baby. But no, I think it's going to ultimately be a slow start. And the reason I say that is because it's kind of similar. I spoke to him briefly off to the side last night after the game. And we were talking about the similarities. And when he went back to Cleveland for the second time when he was around,

Kyrie Irvin, Dionne Waiters, Tristan Thompson, young guys, guys who weren't used to winning. And it's going to be in a very similar situation. here and they got off to a slow start. And back then, Colin, he was preaching patience. Patience. But as you know, there was a couple times where he cracked in that season and kind of went off on some guys and how things were being gone.

So even though I think this is supposed to be a year where everybody's like, hey, this is a free year and we're going to wait to see what happens next season, I still think there's going to be a couple times, once or twice, that LeBron probably goes off just to try to put some spirit in that team. Yeah, they won 35 last year. I think they'd win 40 without it. just because the young guys would get better. And I also think Golden State, there is a serious apathy on the regular season.

I think Houston also knows, let's be healthy at the end. Guys will rest a little bit. So I think with LeBron, I think they're going to be in that 47, 48 range. Is that realistic to you? Yeah, that's what I had, around 45 to 47 wins. I think that's solid. Now, the thing that I think is a fascinating part of this team is the Lonzo. Listen, Lonzo is not a spot-up shooter.

Lonzo needs the ball to work. LeBron is a good shooter at times. He can be streaky. And when LeBron loses confidence in his jumper, he wants the ball in his hands, and he wants to score at the rim, regain his confidence. So LeBron needs the ball, really needs the ball. Lanzo needs it. LeBron needs it.

How is that going to work? It's going to be difficult because, look, I'm going to bring up a player that you didn't mention just now. Ray John Rondo. He's looking extremely well in camp and in pre-year. season. And he had a magnificent season last year. He did. He did have a good year. So it's going to be very difficult for Luke Walton to try to play Rondo and Lanzo ball at the same time. I think it's hard. And neither is a great shooter, Chris. So unless Lanzo has developed his shot tremendously from last year, I think it's going to be

very difficult for Luke to take Rondo off of the floor. And so there's going to be, that's what I'm saying, there's going to be some pressure. Like he's going to, Luke is going to squeeze. There's going to be some pressure. Some guys are going to blur it out of frustration because it's not the ideal situation just from a personnel standpoint in the back court. So aside from LeBron, those two I'm looking at and seeing how they're going to be able to play together. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. There's that LeVar ball thing hanging over and this is going to be fascinating to watch. And Zach Lowe is a very good NBA guy. He was talking about, you know, he was rating the most compelling teams. He had the Lakers at four. And I'm watching last night and

LA, which as you know is a transient town. Most people aren't from here. And the Cubs were on in a fascinating close game, fifth inning, sixth inning, and LeBron's on in an exhibition game, which doesn't mean anything. Everybody in that restaurant was like, they couldn't take their eyes off. LeBron. I think

they're easily the most fascinating watching in the league this year. No doubt. I think, obviously I think what Zach was pointing to is just like from pure basketball standpoint, people who just want to watch basketball, and I think the Boston Celtics, they have a great young nucleus of guys that we think that are going to be there for the long term,

for the long haul. But if you look at just the storylines along with what's on the basketball court, it's going to be very hard to pass up on the Lakers. Here's the other thing is that what you're saying is true basketball fans care about. That's a bunch of crap. True basketball fans love Kobe. And Kobe, by the way, was no as a good teammate. And analytically, was no as a good player.

Either was Iverson. Either was Marbury. Whenever I hear a guy go, hey, I'm a true basketball fan. Oh, stop. Our favorite players were not analytically brilliant. We like ball hogs. We like tough guys. We like bad teammates.

LeBron's fascinating. Yeah, no, he is. But Zach's one of those guys. Zach's one of those guys. But no, we like fascinate. And LeBron, the storylines. And throw in, you know, Toronto, Toronto Raptors and Kaua Linder. You know, that situation.

How that's going to play out? Because wins and loss is going to play a major factor in if that guy stays or not. Okay, two issues I want to talk about. I have a reputation as a hater for Russell Westbrook. And my takeaway is... That's true. Yeah. Around the league, I hear.

Why did he fight so much harder to keep Paul George than he did the significantly better player, Kevin Durant? And everybody's like, oh, he really recruited Paul George. Well, hell, Durant's a lot better player than Paul George. He didn't recruit him. I do think Russell likes being kind of the guy and the centrifugal force in his basketball. When people say I'm a hater, I always say, can we just look at data that he's hard to play with?

Tell me, am I brutal? Am I unfair? Do you have questions about Westbrook? Well, I have questions as far as it's yet to be proven if his style of play is conducive to winning basketball games. In the postseason. In the postseason. Thank you. And, you know, we talk about the recruiting of Paul George.

It just wouldn't have looked right if Paul George left the year after. It would have looked terrible. Yeah, it would look terrible. So I think he had. had obviously had to do that. But, you know, that reputation, that stigma, as far as hard to play with, that's out there for Chris Paul, too. That's for guys who pound the ball for 18, 19 seconds of a 24-shot clock. You know, a lot of guys don't like playing with point guards who hold the ball and want to make sure they get the assist.

It don't allow other players to make plays and get the hockey assist. So it's a real narrative on Chris Paul Westbrook. I do think Chris is more willing. I think Chris takes better shots. I think in the end, he's not as dynamic. He takes better shots. Here's the other thing. Here's the other big storyline.

And the NBA starts here in about a week. Kevin Durant's going to be a free agent. Okay. And I've been told by people I trust that he's a little bit of a wander. He could have gone back home to Washington and the Wizards. He's like, I'm not interested. I'm going to go play in Texas. And I'm going to go to Oklahoma City.

Where's by my college town. And I'm going to go to San Francisco. He's a little bit of a wanderer. There's going to be a lot of talk. surrounding Kevin Durant. Okay, we just get used to it. It's going to happen. Has he told you his approach to free agency?

Well, what he said is that he's going to be very transparent and talking about the things that he's going to look for. You know, he had some quotes and comments that probably the wars didn't want him to make because they want to focus on the season. They want to talk about the free agency next summer. But what I will say this about Kevin Durant is that, and it's similar because I find this with LeBron. I'm interested to get your take.

on this, is that KD, most people view him as the second best player in the league. Yeah, I do. But as a warrior, it's Steph's team. Thank you. It is. It's Steph's team. And people vilify him for getting the championships the way he got him. Right.

And so I look at, like, LeBron, he's getting asked these questions about, like, will you ever be accepted into Lake or Nation? You know, you've got the billboards of people painting over his. billboard. And I think LeBron was caught off a little bit because they asked him about the number six jersey. Like, do you ever wear number six during practice? Brahms, like, I've been doing this for years.

And I think what Bron is realized is that no matter how much he's accomplished outside of LA, he's only going to, during this stint, he's only going to be looked at and viewed as what have you done as a Laker. That's right. And Laker people, Laker media have a tunnel vision as far as they don't know what you were doing over there. It's what you're doing here now. And so he's going to have to prove himself here.

Same with KD. And I think if he is to leave somewhere else, and I threw out the Knicks being a team that I think will have a good chance to lure him away, that can be a situation where he could kind of move past that narrative. You know, Chris, I've always defended NBA players moving. I've always, I supported LeBron's move, I supported KD's. Because I've moved in my career. And so I've lived in seven, eight states.

And I've moved cross-country three times. I've taken my family. And in each instance, I've had companies make offers. And I said, you know, I'm going to try new stuff. Sometimes I think we overthink this stuff. So my career is going to last hopefully like 35 years or something, right? Or 40 years or whatever. But when I've changed jobs, you know why I've always changed jobs?

I just want something new. I'm like done doing something. I'm like, I want to just restart my life and have fun. sometimes I think we look at these players Los Angeles LeBron is way more fun than Cleveland LeBron. It was tired.

Kevin Durant Warriors, if he wins again, maybe he just says to himself, you know, it'd be fun to play with LeBron. It would be great to play with LeBron. Like, we always bang on these players, but it's like everybody, you've changed jobs.

Sometimes you change jobs for like, it's kind of fun. Doesn't LeBron, L.A. seem fun? It is fun. I mean, look, L.A. is back. You know, it's always a good, you know, most people don't agree, or a lot of people don't agree. But I think it's good for a lot of big markets to have good teams and to be relevant. Of course.

But with K.D. joining LeBron, Colin, like, I just, I think that would add more hostility to what he's already experiencing. Like, I don't see no good in that whatsoever. You know, I really don't. So I can't see that, man. Like, you know, Katie, he reads a lot. He's, you know, people. He's sensitive. And so I don't know how joining forces

with having the two best players in league on one team. I don't know how that's going to help. Okay, let's do a shot with Chris and I staring at the camera. Chris, you stare at that camera. I'm going to tell you a message, Kevin Durant. Don't read Twitter. Whatever makes you happiest, you go do. Chris say whatever you want.

Karen Durant. Don't respond to the Instagram DMs. Yeah, what he said, too. But he's going to respond to the Instagram DMs. But he's always said, I talked to him about this, Colin. He said, look, I'm a human being. I'm 2930. I want to experience, I want to go back at people too and talk trash.

And so that's what he doesn't feel like he's above and beyond reproach. He's like, I'm a man. If somebody comes at me wrong, I want to be able to do the same thing. No, I get it. But it's, I'm with you, okay? And I've done this, and I'm pretty sure we all have at some point. However, these are not people coming up to your face and saying it. I know, but it is hard to say stuff.

Like, I'm going to work out every day. It's hard. I'm going to eat right. It's hard. It's disciplined. It's hard for young people. It's easier for me. I got, I got busy with my kids.

But now I have made my personal decision that I am not going to read through and respond to choose roles. I tried to get off Twitter a month ago and Ross said I couldn't. Get off Twitter? Like get rid of it? I just said it's just too toxic and juvenile. And Ross is like... Well, you can just tweet what you want and then don't respond to anybody. I don't even want... That's easier said than that. Yeah, no kidding. I mean, for a long time, I would agree with you. But now it's very free. You'd be amazed at how much time you have on your hands when you're not reading what people who would never say it to your face or something. Chris, let's hear it for Chris. In person, Chris is better than on the phone, Chris. Great seeing you, bud.

Thanks, my gosh. Great. I'm really, really happy for you. Good for you. Joy Taylor with the news. No. No. No.

This is the herd line news. You're scrolling to the Twitter show, Colin? No, no. I just, I've said this before is if I didn't have to, you know, I just would rather do other stuff. And I have to five times a day go on and download. I have to put all my FS1 stuff on there and the radio stuff. And I want somebody else to do it for me. I'm just.

I don't want to be a hypocrite. I've gone into it with plenty. plenty with people, but I've just recently I've made that decision. I'm not doing that anymore. All right. So Patrick Mahomes has been very exciting to watch so far this season. He has one of the strongest arms in the NFL, as we know. Before his fourth quarter rally

against the Broncos on Monday, he threw a football at least 90 yards. At least. With ease. Now, this is not you and I saying this. This is what the video shows. Yes. Now, I'm sure most NFL quarterbacks can probably do this. I don't, no, no, I don't think that's true.

I don't know. No, I don't, Joy, no way Tom Brady throws a ball 90 yards. Absolutely no. I mean, not without like a little more of a running start. Oh, no, what, vote on this. He looks more like Uncle Rico doing it than Patrick Holmes. I think Cam. I think Cam, I think Mahomes.

I think that's it. I don't even think Aaron can go 90 yards. Josh Allen, maybe. Baker. He's done. Flacko's got a hose. I don't think many guys, look at this. It is so effortless.

It is so effortless, though. Have you ever, have you ever golf with somebody? that's great. One time in my life, I've golfed with a pro golfer. And you see them take like a four iron and it's an easy swing and you're like, dude, you just hit it 238. And it's just like, shoot. And it's like that's what that's like a PGA golfer taking out of five iron hitting

a 264 and it looks like it was a wedge. But he just makes it like NFL quarterbacks can throw the ball very far in general. That's what they get paid to do. That's just... Okay, by the way, Greg Tooie's saying something ridiculous. So Toohey whispers in my ear, he goes, well, it's Denver, so the elevation and thin air. That doesn't matter with a football. It's something to think about, right?

It's something to... The punts go 80 yards in Denver? When's the last punt that went 80 yards in Denver? So it only would have gone 88 yards in any other stadium. Right, right. Well, speaking of quarterbacks, throwing far, Tom Brady, may have helped keep a TV 2012 may have helped keep the 41-year-old Tom Brady in great shape, but do you think he can dunk? Tom Brady?

Yes. Oh, wait, time out. Don't show and show me the video. Huh? So you're asking me, can Tom Brady dunk? Okay, whoa, wait. We do not, just before you get excited. We don't have video of something like doing.

Oh, so excited. Okay. We have a video of Tom Brady talking about dunking. Oh, okay. Here he is. All right. Six-four quarterback. Can you dunk?

Yeah. I haven't tried in a while, but I think I can. You know, I'll put that on my Instagram one day. try to see if I could do that. All right. Can a 40-year-old 6.4-and-a-half guy dunk? Now, in high school, I'm 6-1-5. In high school, I could dunk a volleyball.

But I couldn't palm like a basketball. I can touch the net. Good for you. Well, actually. I'm 5'2, I think that's a very good. That's amazing. Very good. That's incredible.

That's one of the great physical feats in American history. Well, Patrick Mahomes, aside from being able to throw it 90 yards with ease. He was also selected in the 2014 MLB draft. 37th round to the Tigers. And since we don't have proof of Tom Brady dunking, we do have proof of Patrick Mahomes dunking.

We do? Hold on. Here we go. Here we go. There you go. Let me see. Let me see. Hold on. How tall is he? I don't know how tall Patrick. I don't think he's that tall. I mean he's like six three and a half. I don't think he's, yeah, he's six. He's not a huge towering guy. You should be able to as a pro athlete. If you're six three, you should be able to jam it. What do you think? But for Brady can dunk?

But if you're, but for Brady, jumping does not help you in football at all. He probably hasn't done any kind of jumping work in 20 years. Yeah, but he's done leg presses and he's in great shape. Let me see. Don't show that old video. He wasn't eating kale back then. He was slower.

If I could dunk in high school, Tom Brady can dunk at six, four and a half. He's three full inches taller than me. Well, and now that he's talked about, I feel like he has to do it. We're challenging you.

Patrick Mahomes can dunk. The young guy can dunk in three. So at 90 yards, can you dunk? Finally, Michigan football will play its homecoming game this Saturday against Maryland. So naturally, Jim Harbaugh was asked about what homecoming meant to him. Not in general, just like what homecoming means. Okay. And this was his answer.

What is homecoming mean? Oh, it's one of the great words in the English language. You know, a homecoming. People coming back, whether it's a reunion or get-together of a, a family. I mean, that's one of the top words in the English language. We don't deserve

the content that Jim Harbaugh provides. We really don't. You know what I always thought was the best word? Photosynthesis. Because when my son used to ask me about nature and I didn't have like, my son's fascinated with biology and stuff, and he would ask me about nature, I would always say,

Jackson, it's just due to photosynthesis. And it was like my out for everything. I love that work. So you just use, you just say photosynthesis? He'd be like, why is grass green? And I'd be like photosynthesis. I don't even know what it means. I think Kodak made it up.

I don't even know photosynthesis. Photosynthesis? Is it photosynthesis the way that plants turn into oxygen? So whenever my son would ask me about like nature and stuff, I gave that answer every time. And then he would go look it up and see if it was. That's the best word in America, photosynthesis. We're just going to. No, he has.

The fact that he just gave us a definition of homecoming. Let's see. Photosynthesis is the process of which green plants and some other organisms use sunlight to synthesize food from carbon dioxide and water. See, frankly, I'm not that far off. Yeah, you weren't that wrong. No, he'd asked me why grass was green and I would just say photosynthesis. You know, it's a really good thing that we host a sports talk show and are not scientists. Yeah. I think we landed in the right.

My mom wanted me to be an optometrist. And I said, I'm not good at that. I'm not mathy. I'm not mathy either. I'm not mathy. I'm not. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Herd Lye News. I'm about to do a segment that involves Aaron Rogers and he'll hate it. And that's coming up next. Best for Last. It's The Herd. Philip Rivers in today, Joel Clatt. Chris Haynes was great. Rob Parker.

Absolutely great to have you in. Get to a Des Brink Cowboy story in a second. But this time, it is best for last. After almost three hours, Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet. Quit holding out on us, Cowherd. It's the best for last. Every great figure in sports, probably in Hollywood, probably in music, probably in entertainment, certainly in radio, has a contemporary rival. They're not going to talk about it publicly, but Stern was aware of Imus and vice versa.

Tiger and Phil, Kobe and LeBron, Brady and Manning. We found out years later there were texts where Tom Brady was talking about Peyton Manning. They're not going to advertise that that would be viewed as weakness, but they're keeping their eye. great, great performers are keeping their eye on other great performers. Because to be great, you have to be selfish. To be great at anything, music, acting, sports, you had to basically, you became obsessed about something. Others helped you get there.

You weren't as social. You weren't as good a friend. You were more about yourself. There's a little narcissism in all of it, right? And so with that, I was thinking about Aaron Rogers. he's coming off an injury. And thinking about, you know, this year he's not playing as well. And he's got four what I would call kind of contemporary rivals that he deals with.

Let's go to this. Aaron's Rogers rivals. The first one, which I think is obvious, is the franchise rival. That is Brett Farv. So when he came into the NFL, he had a franchise rival. Farrve has more Super Bowl appearances. He's got 20,000 more passing yards. He's got over 120 more passing touchdowns.

And on a friendliness, likability meter, Brett is far more likable. So that's a real thing. They had a real rivalry. And frankly, to this point, Fav has won that rivalry. Here's the second rivalry. The second Rogers rivalry is Breeze.

I would call this the statistical rival. Has anybody ever considered this that if Drew Breeze and this Saints team is good enough to win the Super Bowl, there's no question they are. If they win the Super Bowl, that means he's got more Super Bowls than Aaron and more statistical dominance. Completion percentage, Breeze. Passing yards per game, Breeze. Five thousand yards seasons, breeze. Again, friendliness, likeability, which, by the way, that is part of the discussion, because people tend to like Michael Jordan more than LeBron, and that sways arguments that would go to Breeze. It does require emotional discipline to be likable.

I think he can make that argument now that he's better than Air Nardris based up of all the statistics that he has. Okay, so he has a franchise rival, Farrv. He has the statistical rival that would be Breeze. How about the goat rival, the greatest all time? That would be Brady. Brady's crushing it. Super Bowl wins, Super Bowl appearances, MVP's. Again, friendliness, likability, relateability. Brady blows away Aaron Rogers.

And the other one that's really interesting to me is what I would call the future rival. The next six or seven years if Aaron continues to play, and my guess is that's Patrick Mahomes. Right now, when that video comes out, he's throwing 90 yards. No injuries, very likable. Touchdown passes, passer rating. You start looking at their numbers this year. Is Aaron Rogers looking at Patrick Mahomes?

Because I got to tell you something, right now, Patrick Mahomes is a runaway candidate for MVP. And with Andy reading those weapons, you're not slowing down at all. I mean, they don't even use Sammy Watkins yet. They haven't figured out how to use Sammy Watkins yet. So I do think it's interesting. I always said this about Kobe. That was Kobe ever the best player in the league?

I mean, you had Shaq, you had Duncan. At the end, you had LeBron. And I do believe it shrunk Kobe's all-time legacy. Not the most popular Laker. It's not the greatest Laker. Never had a hundred-point game like Wilp. He wasn't as beloved as magic. He didn't have the skyhook like Kareem.

And that if you look at Rogers, coming into the league, it's Fav. He'll never be Brady. Now if Breeze wins another, that dips him. And now he's got Patrick Mahomes. Is that are we sure his legacy will be as good as the last 11 years of fawning and hype by the media? I think it's a legitimate question. What you think, kind of? I mean, yeah.

But the biggest, the common thread here is that all these guys, guys are likable. I think Aaron Rogers is likable. I think Aaron Rogers is just a little bit petty. So that kind of, that kind of moves things. It's like we were talking about earlier with Cal and all that. A little petty. He's a little petty, which I respect. I'm petty. I get it. So Des Bryant came out yesterday and he had a tweet. And I didn't see it, but my staff brought it to me today. He said, I'd rather come back with a cowboys. then play somewhere else. And there's video him working out and stuff.

You know, I tell my kids this from time to time. Pay attention early in life because your best opportunities may happen at 24 years old. Be ready out of college in high school. Keep your eyes open. Be mature. Be ready. Because you may never get an opportunity better than the one at 24. And if you're a screw off, pay attention to cultural changes.

pay attention to how the world's changing. Pay attention to life. And a lot of young people don't. And they think, I'm not going to worry about retirement. I'm not going to worry about opportunities. I'm going to go to Europe. I'm going to do my own thing. I want to pay attention.

Des Bryant is a cautionary tale of this. So, Des Bryant did not pay attention. And now he's not the same player. Terrell Owens at 37 was a better player now than Des is at 29, statistically. If you go, right now at 29 years old, if you look at the stats between Terrell Owen and Des Bryant, and T.O. is seen as a diva and Dez as a diva. Tio was still unbelievably dominant at 29. He was, I mean, it was 13 touchdowns, 1,300 yards, 100 catches in only 14 games.

Terrell Owens, to me, paid attention to his route tree, paid attention to his body. You can knock Tio all you want, but I always thought, He took care of the things that mattered. Three things have happened, and Des Bryant has not paid attention to him. Number one, the league is now more offensive friendly. They don't need diva wide receivers. You're not beholden, like you were, 10 years ago, to having this superstar wide receiver. There are teams that have three really good wide receivers.

Des didn't pay attention to that. The league's now more of a bubble screen league. It's more of a precision league. He didn't pay attention to that. Slot receivers now have the same value as the, next to the sideline wide receiver. And the third thing is reality football TV shows like Hard Knocks and the Amazon Prime series hurt players don't help him.

And he didn't pay attention. Is that Des didn't pay attention to that stuff. He came off as a huge diva. He should have gone into that reality show, knowing that players always look worse, not better in it. So this is why when you come into these sports, you got about seven years of perfect fit. 23 to about 30, 31.

That's as good as you're going to be physically. So you better pay attention. Be attention to how the league's changing, how rules are changing, how coaching changing, how your position's changing, and guys that don't pay attention to it get burned. And he got dumped by the Cowboys, and now he wants back to the Cowboys, and he ain't the catch he used to be. Pay attention. Cultural changes.

The world's changing. Don't be rigid. Look around. See how people react to stuff. tomorrow on our show Nick Wright and Greg CoSell stopped by I watched that baseball game for

13 innings and then bottom of 13th I fell asleep on the couch I couldn't go I went I went 13 innings and I fell asleep I watched LeBron and the Lakers a little bit at one TV and I watch the Cubs on the other and all of a sudden at the end I just kind of I fell asleep so I had to wait oh my lord

how about if you were at Wrigley you're getting home like 1.45 2 You got to be up at six with your kids. Yeah, that was just a long, I don't know how it was a four and a half hours, five-hour game. It went for a long, long time. Greg CoSell, Nick Wright, joining us tomorrow in the herd. I want to thank Joel Clat, Rob Parker, Philip Rivers, and Chris Haynes. Radio audience, we'll see you tomorrow.

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