The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Trevor Ariza Part 2

Episode Date: November 29, 2023

Ever wondered what's going on with Anthony Davis? Trevor's knowledge as a former teammate allows him to rationalize what's going on with "The Brow". Trevor tells the story LeBron dropping 50 on him back in high school after Trevor's uncle declared him a better player. Ariza also has some bold predictions, betting against a Golden State ring for Chris Paul and declaring Damian Lillard the three-point king over Steph Curry. Just for kicks, Trevor crafts a dream team of former teammates and faces the heat on Dwight Howard criticism. It's a slam dunk of laughs, insights, and some real locker room talk. Grab a front-row seat on Club Shay Shay – where the game is on, and the banter is always in overtime! #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifers Show. This is a place for raw, unfills of conversations with athletes,

creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to the Cliford show on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcast, And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. You play with Book and you play with Bradley Bill. If you had to say who you think is the better shooter.

Oh, Buck is probably the better shooter. Or, yeah, I don't know. That's tough. Book is super cold, but Brad is super, super cold. But if I would say a better shooter, I'm probably going to have to go with Buck. Yeah. Do you think Book, Bill? and KD, you think they can win a title?

If they got a point guard. It looked like it's going to be Book. He booked ain't a point guard. He'll too. Book scores 70 points in the NBA. God is going to see if they ain't no point guard. Yeah, no. You blocked KD shot a couple of times.

How hard is it in defend KD? KD is probably one of the most difficult people to guard because he's seven feet, and he could shoot from deep, and he got a bag. So, yeah, it's the players now, again, like, they're unbelievable. Yeah. There was no, there's nobody really like KD.

If you say Dirk could shoot the ball like KD, but Dirk was, you know, he's going to get it on the block. He'll shoot the one leg step back. Yeah, he can let the three go. Yeah. He wasn't put it on the floor like KD. He can get all the way to the rim. He didn't really mean to. He can finish at the rim.

Can stop, pop. Got the three. Dirk was nasty, though. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Dirk was super cold. He is probably one of the reasons that there is a Kevin Durant. Right.

You know, but yeah, there are two different dirties. You play with Dane. Yeah. How happy are you that he's out of Portland? And should he have made this move sooner? I don't think he really wanted to move. Dame is one of those individuals that he's loyal to a fault. Lower to the soil.

Yeah, loyal to a fault. Yeah. Kevin Garnett, huh? in Minnesota. You remember how long it took him to get out? Yeah. And, I mean, it's nothing wrong with that. Again, he's made an unbelievable living. Yeah. He's created a identity. He's, you know, done things in Portland that not a lot of people have done. But, you know, at some time in your career, change the scenery is always good. Damn or Steph, better deep ball shooter.

What? Man, that's not even fair. I don't even know. I'm gonna give you 35 footer for your life. One of those guys gotta take it. Who you won't shooting it? For game? For your life.

For my life? Your life. Since I'm gonna go with, since Steph been whooping my ass for so long, I'm going with Dame. Yeah, yeah. Fuck that. I've been in the trenches with Dame, so I'm gonna go with Dave. You go with Dave, okay. Well, Dame and Yonis get it done because it's off to a slow start, a little rocky start.

But hey, you believe they could turn it around? Because I thought it would be better. than what it was because dames is the point. They can get you to pick and roll. Dames are closed or Yonnas going to do what Yonis is going to do. Are you surprised they've struggled a little bit early? Again, when you don't have training camps to build like chemistry, it's tough to, it's tough to like jail straight away.

But once they settle into like the part of the season where it's ugly and they figure it out, I think they'll have a chance to put it together. You played with CP3 in New Orleans. You played with him in Houston. Yeah. What are your thoughts on him joining the Warriors? You surprised? No, I'm not surprised.

It wasn't his choice. You got traded. He got traded there. I wouldn't have done it, me personally. But again, I'm not him. Right. Just because they whipped our ass for so long. Right.

You ain't trying to join them. I couldn't do it. Did you ever see coming today that you guys would leave? up in Houston? Yeah, I did. We always, you know, he's one of my best friends in the league. He's actually my time, he's probably my best friend in the league, you know, and to this day, he's one of my best friends.

Right. So, yeah, I knew eventually we'll have another opportunity to play together. I thought we'll have a chance to win the championship. We got really close to achieving that goal, but again, like I said, sometimes things don't always you know, luck don't always be on your side. Is C.P. Misunderstood, what is it that, because there's a perception about him, a little dirty, little sneaky. Everybody got shit that. I mean, if you're not cheating, you're not trying. Right, right? And at that level. So, you know, if people want to be upset that he play hard or he does shit, that's not in the rules technically, then, all right, that's cool.

You played against Dremont. Man, you said Dremont tried to put the head, the man like a baby boy. Come on, man. That shit was so funny. I didn't see it live, but I seen it like on. Yeah. So just watching him like have him in a choke hole. I mean, you would love that.

Hold on, Draymond's like six, six, you seven, three. How do you get behind you to be able to get up there and choke you? He happened fast. He had to understand it. But you know what, Trell? I'm mad at cat. Can't let that happen. I'm mad at everybody on that team.

Yeah, man, I got to have, hey, Trell, I got to have y'all. Now, the one thing is, I ain't said we got to be best friend. But when somebody come into the house, everybody, everybody got to scrap. You know what's funny? Me and one of my, another one of my best friends, the name is Bottoms. We call them Bottoms. You know, when we were in high school, we used to fight against each other all the time. Right.

But when it comes to like an outsider trying to get in on the outside or whatever we're arguing about. That ain't happening. Bro, we're going to tear your ass up. How did they let that happen? They let the man hold. Draymond got the man in a chokehold and cats standing there. Ant man standing there. Everybody just standing there.

You know what it is? I figure the fines is too high, right? And, you know, it's getting ready to be cat birthday. So what's the fire when I whip your ass in practice? What's that fine? How much that going to cost? That's the part of the game that is missing right now. You can't, you can't leave a man out there to drive like that?

No. Because look at the difference. Look at what Draymond did when dude had Clay and look at what they did when Draymond had Gold Bear. That's all I'm saying. That's the part of the game. Draymond said, F them fine. Now he's probably going to get suspended.

Probably 5, 10, who knows, given his history, it might be more games than that. But he said, you know what? Y'all not going to do that to my boy. Can I can just imagine, Draymond would have came in that thing with a chair like a Texas death row match. And I'm not mad at him for that. Like, again, like those things are,

they're undervalue, even though they might not be great for your ratings or it might not be great for the business of the game, but it's great to understand that you have a player on your team that's going to ride with you right or wrong. And I would ride with somebody like that at all times. What are your thoughts? I mean, I wanted to ask you because, like I said, I've asked a few people.

I don't really understand the basketball culture. Kind of like, you know, football is a wholly different. It's a totally different mindset from basketball. players but when you saw the footage of draymond punching jordan pool what were the thoughts that went through your mind did you think what the empty did he say no the first thing i thought it's hard to cut you off but what i thought was who the fuck put this out like whoever put that out that's who you need to get at right what happens in-house is stays that should stay in-house um i don't know what happened i don't even care what happened the part that i don't like is that it got out that's the part

week to me. Right. And so when you see now all of a sudden, I mean, it went like, Steph was like, oh man, Drayman was wrong. Clay like, oh, Drayman was wrong. It was like, you know, it's a very unfortunate, have you seen, I mean, you played 18 years, have you seen situation where players fight? Yes, of course. I've been in situations where things have gone down. So the thing about it is like when you are with somebody every single day, you're not going to get along every day. Like when people have relationships or wives or whatever, you're in the

house with that person every single day. You're not going to get along every day. So like understanding that and not letting it go outside of your house is what's the most important thing. How hard did it defend something? Because we've never seen anything like still. Forget the shooting. It's the perpetual

emotion. Man, beat your ass still. The crazy part is like he shoots a lot of threes, right? Yeah. But he get a lot of layups too. Yes. And that's what opens up the three ball. He's always on the move and he has players that can pass the ball. Like Dre, back in the day, he had David Lee, not David Lee, the biggest Australian guy. Oh, oh, Andrew Boggett. He was a really good passer, you know, so like. And cassette screens. And cassette screens. Yeah. People that have sacrificed themselves for a talent that is as good as him, you need them.

That's what allows him to be as great as he is. Will CP3 get the first ring? When you get an opportunity to get the championship in Golden State? No. Can't nobody fuck with Denver on the West to me. Especially right now, Denver, like, the way that they move the ball, Yolkish being on their team, Coach Malone. Jamal is not there right there.

Yeah. Their team is just like that. Are you surprised he was. so willing to come off the bench? Because the guy's been to start his whole career. You said he's a top 75 player. I think he's third all time and assist. And he's like, okay, those are the sacrifice that you were talking about earlier that you

have to be willing to make if you want to be a championship team. Correct. C.P. is one of those people that his game can change with the situation. So I think that I don't think it bothers him that he's coming off the bench. I just think that if it's best for the team, then he's willing to do that at this point in his career. Right. Give me, you know, because you play with so many great players,

I kind of want to get the mindset and bring out our viewing and listening audience into it. CP3 in practice. Kobe in practice. CP3 in the game. Kobe in the game. Some of the similarity, some of the differences. They both are ultra competitive.

CP, We'll try to probably, Kobe will try to beat you in walking to the locker room. CP will be right on his hills. Yeah. So they're competitive with everything. We shoot pool, we play a table tennis, we play a card. Everything. Everything.

They want to beat you at everything. Chris Paul also said, had you not gotten hurt in Houston, he probably would have won the championship. If he didn't, I would agree with that. If he didn't get hurt when we were in Houston, I feel like we had an opportunity. to win. That was, we had like top five team in offense, top 10 in defense. You know, we shot a lot of, we had a lot of good players on, on our team, shot a lot of threes, but. Yeah. I'm just trying to figure out how you missed 27, 27, 27, 26, 27 straight three, though. How you do that? I think you can't even try to do that. You can't. It was a cap on the, it was a lid on the, on the rim. Because everybody was missing them, man. You remember the movie six men? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And bro was knocking the shots off exactly what was happening.

Playing with stars, obviously you're a glue guy. You're one of the guys. I mean, everybody can't be a star. Somebody has to take a role. You know, everybody can't be the CEO of the bank. Somebody got to be the custodian. Somebody got to be the cashiers. Somebody got to be the branch managers.

How do you find your role, your niche, in a team full of stars? So when you have or you plan with players that are the star player or a superstar, you understand that. And in order, it just depends on your mentality. Like if you want to win, what's the most important thing to you? And for me, it's winning. Like, I was a player that could kind of do a little bit of everything. And in order for me to be on the court, I learned early that you have to do something that's to help you stay on the court.

Right. And that was play defense, hit open shots, dive on the floor, do all the shit, all the things that people do not like to do. Right. Until like your situation changed. So for me, that situation just happened to be the role that I took on in every, every team that I played on. And my idea was just to be the best superstar I can be in my role that I played.

Well, how difficult is it to deal with egos? Because you play, because the superstar note, he's here. And they're only like a handful of those guys. I'm talking about like, true, true. And you play with Kobe, you play with LeBron. Obviously, you played with CP3. You played with some other guys, James Harden. But how difficult is it to play with a guy that's like that?

For me, and I can't speak for other people, but for myself, it's easy because I feel like I got my own ism. Like, I got my own thing that I do. I got my own friends. I got my own everything. Right. And, you know, going to play with those type of individuals, they understand what I bring to the table.

Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.

Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'll say it. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football,

or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.

One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. American soccer is about to explode. The World Cup is coming. Ramos sending on the Army Stewart of the chip. I'm Ty Bramos. I'm Tom Boke. On our podcast, Inside American Soccer,

you'll get the real storylines. I'm not worried about Polisic. I'm not worried about Balagan. I'm not worried about McKinney. My only concern is what happens in the back. The biggest decisions. If you're going to look at stats and numbers, he has no shot at making this World Cup team.

And the truth about the U.S. national team. It wouldn't be a huge surprise if our team ends up in the quarterfinals or potentially a great run into the semifinals. The World Cup is almost here. Experience it all with us. Listen, Inside American Soccer with Tom Bogart and Tabramos on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast. It's not a shot to my ego.

It's actually a boost to my ego because I don't have to try to fit in. I fit in because I just fit in. Right. How do you get comfortable in your role? You're a 3-D guy once made 3, made 10 threes in a game, but you were known for your defense. What's the biggest key? Because not only must you try to limit LeBron or limit James Harden or limit, to limit one of the Kauai, or PG, whomever.

Yeah. But they're still going to ask you to knock down those three when you get that opportunity. Because that's thing now, you're spending so much energy because you know they can go get 40, 50. And you're trying to limit them as much as you possibly can while still maintaining energy to be able to get that shot up and knock it down.

I think the mental toughness, that's the part of the game that is that you have to have, that has to be extremely high. Because, like you said, you know, you guarding somebody who could go off for 50. So, and they probably going to get to their average no matter what. Right. It's just making the percentages go down.

That gives your team a chance to win if they're taking more shots to get to their average. Right. And understanding that, you know, all right, fool, like, he going to get to his average, but you just can't make it easy for him. Right. Do everything you can to make it as uncomfortable as possible. You've got the distinction. of being the most traded player in NBA history.

Yeah. How difficult is that on your family? And then when did you're like, damn, again, again? I mean, you're like a military family, but you're on the move, bro. Yeah, I mean, I was doing what I love to do. Right. And it don't matter what Jersey it is or what city. I looked at it as, you know, my family.

Somebody wanted me. No, my family got to see different parts of the country. Right. And I'm still playing at the top. in the sport that I chose to play in. What was the best and the worst trade you experienced? Well, there was one time I got traded like four times, right, in like a day or whatever.

Huh? Yeah, but I didn't go to none of the places. So I think the best experience of being traded was a team that wasn't going to use me. They allowed me the opportunity to train and do the things that I needed to do in the space that I was at, like with my family. So, you know, I have a lot of respect for that organization, for that team, and, you know, understanding, you know, my age or whatever.

Right. They, they, they gave me the respect of allowing me to be at home while they were looking for a place for me to go. When you say you was traded four times in a day, so how does that go? You're in your hotel room. Or two days or some shit. Two days. But anyway, so your agent says, okay, you got traded to such and such, but six. tight. You're probably not

going to go there. They're looking to move you. And so you're just sitting tight. You're like, damn. I mean, it's nice to be wanted, but, so what's going on in your head? What are you thinking? I'll just wait until I go to where I'm supposed to go. Right. That's not, like, that's not

a bruise to my ego. Right. You know, like, this is sports. You know, I'm still going to get a chance to compete. So the guys that get caught up in that, they got to be a little bit younger. Because again, the older you get, the longer you play, you understand it's a business. You know, we as the athlete, the young athlete, we're looking at it as from the love of the game.

And as you get a little bit older, you start to understand both sides of it. Being from L.A., obviously you love L.A. What's outside of L.A.? What's one of the – a couple of the best cities that you lived in? I love Houston, Miami for sure. D.C. is great. New York was great. Well, I mean, you lived in their 50 states, you lived in like 12 of them.

Right. So I got to experience a whole bunch of things. Right. Not a lot of other people get to experience. And I still got to do it first class. Yeah. I read what you said that you were traveling to Milwaukee and I think Oklahoma City and you experienced ghosts. Are that true?

Oh, man. There was a hotel in Oklahoma City. Discovering. Yeah. That's true. And y'all still, they, teams still stay there? I don't know if teams stay there now, but I remember just laying on my bed. It had to be like early, like getting in late.

So it was early in the morning. I'm laying on my bed. The lights are on. Everything is on. So I fall asleep on the bed, fully clothed. I ended up in the bed. The lights off. I was the, I know I didn't do it.

What? But you were still closed though, right? Yeah. I'm going to take you cold on there. I'm just a naked. I ain't stripping me naked. But I was a, I ended up in the bed with the lights off. Okay.

Give me your all-time starting five based on your teammates, former teammates. So Kobe, LeBron, Dwight Howard, Westbrook, Dane, Mello, Book, CP3, Tracy McGurady, Paul Gasol, Penny Hardaway, and Stefan Marbury. Starting five. Let me look at that list. Let me see. Or is it at. All right.

Kobe, for show. Yep. So these guys who start, right? Yeah. All right, so I'm going to go with Kobe. I'm going to go with Chris. I'm going to go with Powell. I'm going to put Dwight in there.

Okay. And you don't got no four men in here? Oh, no, pal. Yeah, Powell, your four. Yeah, pal, for sure. Dwight's your five. Dwight, pal. You're missing a three.

A three? I didn't say Brian? No. Well, Brian. That's it. That's a nice little squad. Do you think, let me ask you a question. In their prime, you win a championship with this team?

In the prime? I don't think that team works. Wow. So Kobe, Braun, Dwight, Powell, and CP3. You don't think it works. No. Bron and Kobe? All of them.

Well, I mean, Dwight going to block the shots, going to get you some rebounds. I'm going to want the ball. You want the ball, yeah. Okay. CP3, pick and roll with LeBron, Kobe? Gonna have the ball. Kobe?

Gonna have the ball. LeBron. Gonna have the rock. So, like, they're not who they are without the ball. Right. So we're going to sell a lot of ticket. Ain't a Wittenbergh. Bat Huckoldo championship.

Nah. Of all the teammates you had to have never won a ring, who would you like to give a ring to? Tracea McGrady, Penny, CP3, Mello, Grand Hill. you're going to get one ring C.P. Who else? T-Mack.

T-Mack. Tanny. Mello. G-Hill. I'm going to go with C.P. Should rings matter in an argument? Individual, no. They shouldn't matter if it's an individual talent.

Only in teams, only one you talking on the concept of a team. Can I give you my opinion? Yeah. I believe you can be great without having a ring. But to be in the conversation for great tis, you've got to have a ring. Agree or disagree? You got to have a great team. Only great teams win championships.

There hasn't been one player in the history of the NFL, NBA, NHL, that has won a championship by themselves. Right. It just ain't happened. So are you willing to put Carl Malone if that's the case? Because I think Carl Malone would be probably the number one power forward had he won a couple of championships. But that distinction to belong to Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan is killer.

Right. No, I mean, again, like I said, there's too many great players to choose the greatest as far as. Well, you just told me you say Jordan is in the league by himself. Yeah, because he pushed the game. He changed the game. People, people, all the shoes we wear it look like Jordan. Well, you do know what Magic and Bird did because they used to, the games used to be on tape delay.

The NBA finals was on tape delay. They played it one day and you watched it later. Yeah. Magic is killer too. Bird is killer. But I'm just, so what is your definition? How would you define a great player? What, what's a great player to you?

What, is it some numbers? Is it all-NBA selections? Is it All-Star? Is it NBA? Is it MVP? We talk about just great players. No ring. Because for me, like I said,

I believe in order to be into the greatest conversation, you need titles. Preference, I guess. For me, I like mentality. I like style. I like charisma. I like winners. So for me, that's going to be different than everybody else.

I want to say it like this. So think about this. Remember that year, Cleveland, and Cleveland and Golden State played. And I think Brian led the whole and all the stats. Yeah. That would be the one time somebody can say somebody won a championship or was the closest to winning a championship.

Yeah, by himself. Right. And I don't even think they won. They didn't. They didn't. Yeah, he did. Well, yeah, he did. Well, yeah, he did.

The year, that was 2016 when he chased him down. I don't think they won. They won that year, 2016. They did? Yeah. He led the entire finals and points, rebounds,

and Sealed, blocked shots. So, like, in that sense, that's like winning by yourself. You play with Dwight and Orlando, Houston, Washington, L.A. Why doesn't D. Howard get the respect he deserves? Why doesn't he get the respect? Yeah, we're going to talk about what he got going on out of the field.

Let's sit that aside. Let's talk about the player on the court. probably because I think he probably was a little bit too goofy. Like he played too much, in my opinion. So, like, everybody else don't understand that type of, like, personality when they're thinking of greatness, I guess. Like, it's different. Like, he has, like, the smile and he likes to, like, laugh and get along.

But, you know, having a lot of greatness, I guess. You know, having a smile and being a killer is, you know, I don't know. The only person to get that off is magic. Magic. Yeah. What was he like in the locker room? Was he a good teammate? He seemed like, I mean, like you said, he was very, you know, fun, outgoing, fun loving.

But, I mean, the dude was a 20 and 10, 2010, 2014 guy. He was a three-time defensive, consecutive defensive player of the year. In his prime, he was a top-five player, finished second in the MVP voting. So, yeah, they make it a scene like the man. I can see if he's laughing and joking and giving you seven and eight. He laughing and joking and giving you 2014 with three and a half blocks. He's been disrespected completely for his talent and the things that he's done to this game. How shocked though, John Wall, he has, man, he went through it.

I think he had like an ACL and then towards Achilles and then he lost his mom. He had a stretch where he really went through it. Do you think his career is over? No, his career ain't over. until he put it down. Right. But, man, he had a rough go at, you know, he had some years where it wasn't,

you know, nobody, everybody was struggling in that situation that he went through. So where he is at this point is unfortunate. There was a situation in the Clippers' locker room after the game, and they confronted some of the players. I mean, the little tone with a little tone of somebody about a secret passage?

Did you know about that passage? I mean, everybody that plays in the NBA. They knew about it. The locker rooms are right there. Right. What about it? So what set that off? What set that off?

There was an altercation or like, you know, words being exchanged on the court. And me and one of my old teammates, we, you know, we was talking to each other. and then like again remember i imagine an olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged it's the enhanced games some call it grotesque others say it's unleashing human potential either way the podcast superhuman documented it all embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year within probably 10 days i'd put on 10 pounds i was having trouble stopping the muscle growth listen to superhuman on the ihard radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clivert Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be.

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Ramos sending on the only store at the chip. I'm Tad Ramos. I'm Tom Boe. On our podcast, inside American soccer, you'll get the real storylines. I'm not worried about Policic.

I'm not worried about balligan. I'm not worried about McKinney. My only concern is what happens in the back. The biggest decision If you're going to look at stats and numbers, he has no shot at making this World Cup team. And the truth about the U.S. national team. It wouldn't be a huge surprise if our team ends up in the quarterfinals or potentially a great run into the semifinals.

The World Cup is almost here. Experience it all with us. Listen, Inside American Soccer with Tom Bogart and Tab Ramos on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast. I was talking about like outsider. Yeah. Getting in between family business. That's the situation.

And so you're like, okay. Yeah. And I didn't understand. I didn't. You didn't understand what you didn't do with it? Yeah. I didn't hear what he had to say. So, you know, the person that I am, I wanted to know what he had to say.

Right. Do you ever take it permanent? Okay, in the heat of the bottom. It's like, oh, bam, bam, in your face, trail. Take that. You know what? You can't guard me. Do you take that person or you say, okay, we're just in the game?

No, yeah, it's not personal. Unless. It's disrespectful. Right. So, like, there's a few trigger words that become disrespectful. And so then you're like, hold on now. Okay, yeah, you got them two on me now, but come on now. Yeah, no, it's cool.

Like, if that's what you do, that's what you do. Right. You know, I don't take it personal because I understand you're a basketball player. Right. And this is basketball. But I remember. I do remember this because Trey plays with the Hawks. I'm from Georgia, lived in Atlanta, still got a place there.

He tried a nutmeg you. Yeah. And you check the man. Yeah. You can let him hollowed globe trotter? You fuck. No. We're not even in, like, again, he's, he's unbelievable.

Right. And I've been seeing him do it. And I watched him gearing up to try to, like, do it to me. And it was just reaction. It wasn't like, you know, I'm like, oh. You need people to put me on a highlight tape. No, it's not that. Just play with your peers.

Right. You know, I'm, I'm not. That's, yeah, that's not for me. You guarded LeBron, you guarded Kobe. That's those of your assignment. You're going into the game. What's your mindset going into the game? You guarding Kobe.

What's your mindset going into the game, guarding LeBron, and what's your toughest matchup? Well, Kobe will be the tougher matchup, and Kobe is the tougher matchup because he's way more relentless. Bron is more like of, he's relentless in a different way. make the right play. So

Brada beat you up, get into the paint, and like kick it out. And you like, who shit. Where Kobe is, Kobe will beat you up, getting the paint, pump fake you, pump fake you, spin, pump fake you again, get you in the air, beat you up, and one. And one. Yeah.

So, yeah, that's like complete embarrassment. Players under 25, you want to build your team around. You got Zion, you got jog, got some issues. Anthony Edwards. Anthony Edwards. I was going to go Luca, Chet,

Wiminyama, Tyrese Halliburton, Mello, K. Cunningham. I like Anthony. You love Anthony Edwards game. He's cold. He definitely seems like a different animal this year. He's super cold. He would be the first person.

I like Mello. Le Mello, he's real good. Who else did you say? Luca for sure. Luca's good. Luca's really good. Tyrese Halliburton. Hallibur is really good.

He's a scorer. You like that trade? Halliburton from the Kings for... Oh, he's the point guard. Yeah. He's really good. He's better than what I thought he was, like initially. He shoes from deep. He

can pass the ball, like really, really well. I think, I think what you call him, won that trade. I think Indiana won that trade for Sabonis. Sabonis is... I mean, I like Subonis. He's the triple-double machine, 7-1, can rebound, can score, can assist the basketball. I think Indiana won that trade, too.

Yeah, yeah, they got him on that one. What are your thoughts on Wimby? Man, I don't think, I think that he is extraordinary. Like, he's an extraordinary talent. Somebody asked me that earlier, but they compared them to KD, right, as far as, like, scoring the ball. And, like, the way that I try to, like, explain it, I try to say, like, he's going to score the ball

because, you know, he's... Still him for. And he's the guy on his team. The percentage. is how you're going to be able to tell on who could possibly be the better player. So like, wait till the end of the season,

give you 82 games, and the field goal percentage and the average would kind of determine on who would kind of score more points. Right. Would be better. Do you like the comparison when Shaq said

Wimby is Bo Bo Bo? I understood what he was saying completely because Bo Bo Bo got super skill and super talented. I I mean, I haven't been around him as a teammate or seen him or, you know, been in a space where I can, like, get an ear to why he don't play. But I can see him being similar. Like the times that he did play last year or when he was in Orlando. He was in Orlando.

Then he was in the Nuggets. He killed in Orlando. Like, the stretch that he played, he was killing. So I understand the comparison. We talked earlier. You said Ant Man is the best player. And for you, Atman, is the best player in the NBA. Give me your top five players.

Top five? Tatum, under a certain age, right? Damn. The top five players. It's too many. I like Book. I like, I'm going to go young. I'm like Book.

I like Anthony Edwards, Luca. Yokish ain't anything young. Yokage. KD. Do you play with Amey Udoch and Knicks? Who? I mean. No.

I was wondering what you thought about him. So how do you think you'll do in Houston? Because it seemed to have, they're playing well. That's a very young team. Yeah, I like what he does. He comes, like his coaching background is a really good coaching background. You know, they have principals. So you know how you say, like the Heat Way.

Where he comes from, they have a way as well. Right. So those core principles have shown that they work throughout the years. They're timeless. And it seems like players like playing for him. Right. Are you surprised that he was able to get a second chance? I don't think what he did was an unfair.

I mean, people are, oh, he did. Look, okay, that's between him and his partner. They went on their separate ways, but he ain't killed nobody. What did he do? Exactly. I mean, look, look, you know. No, I don't know. Well, I mean, anybody's, that's what I'm saying.

So, like, well, the saying what we say down south, he put his penis in his wallet. That's not what he did. I mean, I didn't. That's what we call it down south. So we have a saying where I don't know if it's appropriate to say. We could be without it necessary. Huh? We could be without him necessary.

You stay out of dick and pussy business. Right. Okay. That's fair enough. That's fair enough. Dylan Brooks. What do you think of Brooks? Hard nose.

I like his game. He played hard. He played hard as hell. You played in the two biggest markets, New York, L.A. Which one you like the best? I'm a homer. You whole, L.A. through it through. Yeah, I'm a homer.

But did you like playing in New York? I love playing in New York. I think I was too young to appreciate it completely. But, you know, being at home is home. Ooh, I got one for you. You're a second round draft in 2004. Who's the best second round draft pick of all time? For me?

Yeah. Gilbert. Are you sure? I mean, that's who came to my mind first. You knew there's a two-time MVP and the finals MVP that was in the second round. Yolkitch. Oh, Yolkish is cold. Yolkish is so cold.

I'll let you change it if you're walking. I ain't going to change. I'm going to go to Gilbert. Gilbert is sick. He just ain't win there. So the Manu Yokic Gilbert,

Draymond, Dennis Rodman Mark Gassall I'm not so sure Greg Gil, I'm a guy but Gil might be He might be

third and fourth on this list I'm going with Gil I'm going with Gil for sure What the the rookie contract You look at the salaries

now guys, guys are about to get a contract Jason Taylor about to get $400 million That's beautiful And he's 25

So he's going to get another contract So he might do a billion dollars in NBA contracts. Are you surprised? Because I just remember what was it? Like five years ago, Mike Conley had the biggest contract at $151 million. Right.

I'm not surprised. That means the game is growing. Right. And that's a beautiful thing. Like, you always want to see people behind you get better. Right. Evolution is always a good thing. Right.

What was some of your best purchases? I mean, you come in as a rookie, your seventh round draft pick. You weren't a lottery pick. So what was, what was the best? one of your best purchases, one of your worst purchases as a rookie? I guess being able to get my mom a house. Right.

That was the best feel-good thing for me. Probably the worst thing, depreciating assets. Cards, jewelry. Dumb shit, yeah. So as a rookie, you know you got to take care about you got to take the vets out. Where you take them and how much. See, so like for us it was different. They just make us do well, I don't even know if they do that now, but when I was a rookie, we used to have to like grab the bags.

Right. Help the equipment manager take the bags off the plane. Right. In every city carry people's bags and stuff. Big store runs, one of my donuts, sandwiches, chicken. All that stuff. We got to do that. But like I had vets that was like super up.

Like they were real rich. Right. So they would like, you know, they didn't get no issue out of me, so they would take care of me. Right. L.A., there have been a lot of home invasions. There have been a lot of, you know, robberies with celebrity. How do you advise players to move in L.A.? Don't be flashy.

Like, keep your head on a swivel at all times. And keep your shit off IG. Because they come get it. Stay off IG for sure. Especially if you're not, if you're not from here. Right. try to stay as respectful as you possibly can. Is that why you keep such a low profile?

I just feel like I like to move in the shadows period. Right. Yeah. Your younger brother passed away, falling in a hotel room. How did that impact Trevor? My brother dying, I think it made me, it helped me more so than, like, it hurt me.

And that's weird. It sounds crazy, but it allowed me to like pick up a ball and like put my pain into all the basketball instead of the other way because it could have went the other way too. That's probably that I got in a lot of trouble when I was younger around that time. Right. But basketball helped you cope. Basketball definitely helped. It gave me an outlet to let, you know, all the emotions out. Dating advice.

I mean, having been 18 years. You mentioned you have three kids. Is there any advice that you gave rookies or that you received from the vets when you got into the league that you later didn't in turn passed along? Stop lying. Be honest.

You know, I feel like in a position where, you know, you have everything that you need or you want, there's no need for you to allow to nobody. Right. So just be honest with who you are and what you're about. and people that like you,

gonna like you anyway. Right. I read that Terrell Owens came to your Clipper Tribe. Why was T.O. there? I mean, y'all played together. Y'all were cool like that? I mean, support system?

You know what's crazy? T.O. just, I feel like he just loves the gym. He's a gym rat, completely. And he happened to be there at the time, and he was in there watching. Gosh, that was dope. Tio swear he believed he could have played in the NBA.

He probably could have if he started a little bit earlier. Right. He's super athlete. He could do everything. Was he good? I mean, I'm sure he's like, he's been an open run. He's like played with some of the players. You think he got a decent game? I think he got a really good game for a professional athlete that played another sport.

What NBA player you think if they would have started early could have played the NFL? Anthony Edwards. I like Anthony Edwards. you like brine fair enough what's next what's next for Trevor Reezer what's next for me

I like to say that when you see it and when you hear about it then you don't know yeah silence super silent people can't take shit from you when they don't know about it

yeah Trevor Reza here let's have this drink congrats 18 years all the best bro sure Cheers. help make you funnier.

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