The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Tua Tagovailoa, Dak Prescott, NBA, where Colin was right & wrong

Episode Date: April 13, 2020

Colin talks about Tua Tagovailoa being ready for the NFL because of where he played, why he believes Dak Prescott made a mistake over the weekend, why the NBA can get by playing in empty arenas, and where he was right and wrong over the weekend. Guests include Peter King, Trent Dilfer, and Hunter Renfrow, Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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A lot of good numbers out of New York City this morning. This is obviously a situation that any little bit of good news, you try to take it. very encouraging news out of New York City this morning as key indicators drop. Still social distancing is the key. I want to start with this. You know I'm a fan of two of the quarterback from Alabama. If he didn't have an injury, he would be the best player in the draft and the most influential. I think he's Drew Breeze left-handed, but the injury stuff, like Drew Breeze had an injury early in his career,

and the Miami Dolphins would not take a chance on Drew Breeze, the New Orleans Saints did. and the Saints now are a top five, six organization in the NFL because they took a chance on Drew Breeze. And the Miami Dolphins have been swimming in mediocrity and trying to find a quarterback because they would not roll the dice on Drew Breeze. I've said Patrick Mahomes had a lot of injuries in college. The Chiefs now are the best team in the NFL. They rolled the dice. Jimmy Garapolo had some injuries in New England and San Francisco. They're all in.

They got to the Super Bowl. The reality is teams that have rolled the dice on quarter of. Quarterbacks with a few injuries, Carson Wentz, Philadelphia, are doing very well. You can't be scared off. But here's another thing, why I like Tua. In my opinion, and any reasonable person's opinion, the SEC is not only the best conference in college football, the top six or seven of the SEC is a mile better than anybody else. The Big Ten is second, and I'm not sure much past Ohio State.

it's that close. What does that mean? It means Tua is easier to evaluate than Big 10 players, then especially Pact 12 players and ACC players and Big 12 players. And I'll give you an example. And the reason being is because Florida, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, Alabama, now Texas A&M, the Mississippi schools, they've got NFL guys everywhere.

So when I watch Tua, I'm watching it against an NFL pass rush and NFL corners and NFL linebackers. I don't give you an example. This is when I really thought about it this weekend. So you know I'm a USC homer, right? You all think I'm a USC homer. Well, the last time the West Coast had a dynasty was Pete Carroll and USC. And first year, they were six and six and trying to find their way.

The next year they got pretty good. And they had Carson Palmer and stuff. And they're pretty good. And they beat Oklahoma badly in a bowl game. And after that, they had about four years they were just money. 2003, 4, 2005, 2006. They played in three national championship games. They won two.

If you look at the drafts, once they got the ball rolling, because anybody out West will tell you the PAC 12 was crap during those years. Washington was awful. UCLA was awful. The Arizona schools couldn't get their act together. Chip Kelly wasn't at Oregon yet. Stanford didn't have Jim Harbaugh yet. The conference has never been weaker.

But USC was great, and they were owning the West Coast. That was at a time that SEC schools didn't recruit the West Coast. So USC was literally getting 15 of the top 18 players in the West Coast. The conference was completely lobsided. So Pete dominates it, Pete Carroll. Jeff Tedford at Cal was about the only pushback at all, and Pete was trying to get him out of the conference for years and eventually did. But go look at the drafts from 2004, 2005, 2005, 2000.

2006. 20 USC players were drafted in that time. 19 of them were over drafted. Only Sean Cody is a guy. He was a second round pick and he was worth a second round pick. I'm not even going to name names because I know half the guys. Everybody was overdrafted. Why? You couldn't tell how good USC players were.

They were dominating non-NFL bodies. 19 of the 20 players, 2004 draft, 2005, Drive, 2006, right in the heart of Pete Carroll owning all the West Coast talent. And he would cherry pick two or three players out of Florida year, maybe one at a, you know, the Northeast, New Jersey. I mean, they were rolling. But you couldn't, it was harder to evaluate. Now let's go to Oklahoma.

Oklahoma last four years has dominated a weaker conference. Texas can't get their act together with Tom Herman yet. I think they will eventually, but they can't. And the rest of the conference is, you know, it's mostly a mess. Nebraska left the conference. Texas A&M was there, left the conference. It's mostly really Oklahoma and everybody else. They've dominated it.

And they also, like Pete Carroll, have great coaching. Bob Stoop's a great coach, Lincoln Riley. So if you look at the last four years and then look at the players drafted from Oklahoma to the NFL. Now, unlike USC, they don't have nearly as many first round picks. A lot of the Oklahoma guys getting drafted are second, third, fourth, fifth round picks. But of the 20 Oklahoma players drafted, one is not. better than his draft pick. Mark Andrews, the tight end, third round of Baltimore. He's over-delivered. He's clearly good enough to be a second-round pick. Kyler Murray promising, we don't know yet.

Joe Mixon, good, second-rounder, he's been solid. But if you look at Oklahoma, I can argue about 15 of the 20 guys overdrafted. My point, it is incredibly difficult when you have a dominant well-coached program, Oklahoma now in a weaker conference. USC Pete Carroll then in a weaker conference because those schools have nothing but NFL bodies and they're facing XFL level players. It is harder to evaluate. I'll give you an example. Last year's NFL draft, think about this.

My staff did a good job to point this out to me this morning. So last year, and again, it's early to discover make or break guys one year out. But at last year's NFL draft, there were. seven receivers taken in the second round. Four of them are better than all the first round receivers taken. All four went to SEC schools. Four for four. Four second round SEC receivers are better than all the first round wide receivers.

You think it's a coincidence? So when I look at Tua and even Joe Burrow, I'm like, well, I know they're good because they beat great players and they beat NFL players. Now, I do think Joe Burrow had the greatest offensive line, maybe since the 72 USC Trojans or the 95 Nebraska Cornhuskers. It may have been the deepest wide receiving crew I've ever seen in my life, and Joe Burrow had a lot going for him. But I know when Joe Burrow faced Alabama, he faced NFL players. And when Tua faced LSU, he faced NFL players. I think it's easier to look at Tua.

That championship game against Georgia, again, that Georgia defense has 25 guys who will eventually play in the NFL. First and 2D. And then you look at the next two years, and I'm like, well, he's doing it on one leg half the time against NFL players. I think you go look at Pete Carroll. You look at Oklahoma. Well-coached, dynasties,

or really great programs in weaker conferences. How good is a running back that makes a corner miss when the corner is not a draftable player? I know when I watch Jerry Judy at Alabama, the wide receiver, who I think is the best wide receiver by a mile in this draft. I know when I watch him. And he turns off.

the accelerators and he flies past a Georgia or Florida guy. He's, I can look at the comp and go, he's flying past an NFL corner. I can't say that in the Big 12. I can't say that in the ACC outside of Clemson. When you watch Clemson players, again, they beat an NC state guy. They beat a Florida state program that's a mess. Virginia Tech's down. Miami's down.

I think Clemson players, Oklahoma players now, I think they're harder to evaluate. It should be noted Oklahoma has something going for it. The Baltimore Ravens love Oklahoma players. So some of the Oklahoma players have been very fortunate. They've gone to one of the top three-run organizations in the NFL. That helps them. There you go. All right. So this weekend, you know, listen, the virus, I'm trying to find optimistic news. And my gut feeling, you know, I'll get into it later. But, you know, listen, it's the idea of having fans in the stands, it's just not going to happen. It's just not going to happen for a long time.

I'm not going to make any predictions on the fall, but you're not going to see people in hockey and NBA or baseball games for the next three months. I can tell you that. If they do come back, you're not going to see fans there. But I will say this. I saw something this weekend that disappointed me from Dak Prescott. But I do think he illustrates a person. problem all of us are going to face, especially our politicians, in the next year.

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So, Dak Prescott, for the second time, did not take social distancing seriously. He's the quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys, who I usually think has good judgment, not so far. with a pandemic. But he had a party at his house, 30 people and a buffet. I'm not sure there is a worse mode of operation than a buffet in a pandemic. He did it. I'm disappointed. But, you know, I think there's an explanation here. This, I think, is the primary challenge in America right now for governors and for this country. New York City, they're seeing people, neighbors, friends, and family pass. There is urgency. They are absolutely, on most occasions, aware of the severity of this

situation. But Texas is big. 30 million people. Not many deaths. Big state, big house, big yard. Dack's bulletproof, right? 24. The people that are dying in California, 83% are old or an underlying medical condition. Dac is young. No underlying medical condition. He sees it. differently. Why? Because we see how we live. It's very hard, though not impossible, clearly, to ask people who aren't experiencing pain and death to see pain and death and understand it. But if you look around at studies they've done on the more empathetic people in society, people who are bullied are generally more supportive of people who are bullied. People who have had tragic loss generally have more empathy for people who are suffering tragic loss.

In this country, there are states, there are regions that aren't seeing what New York is. Texas is one of those. Now, maybe their peak is two to three weeks out, and it'll get really serious and be a wake-up call. But I'm hearing people in Austin, Texas, they have a running track or a running park around the lake. Last time I was there, they have a river, and you can run on the side of the river, and it's wide open. And that doesn't mean, I'm not saying close it. but it's got all sorts of people, some mass, some not. That's their reality.

In the state of Texas, 30 million people, a couple of hundred deaths is different. And I think this is the primary challenge. Do young people who are very healthy and potentially asymptomatic understand the severity of it? To people that don't live, 22,000 deaths in America, half are in New York City or New Jersey. because if you don't live through something, you have to be pretty tolerant and curious to discover, oh, it could affect me. Most people not affected directly. I don't care about it. California, we've been very lucky.

We've got a very, very progressive governor. They got on it in San Francisco's mayor. L.A.'s mayor have been fantastic. That's not the cases for all governors. George's governor, I don't know you could catch it asymptomatically. So I think DAC is not the only one doing this. I think there's lots of young people. They may live in states.

They don't have it. They got a yard. They got space. They feel they're physically bulletproof. They see the stat. It's older people who have lung disease and diabetes and they don't. This is going to be a rolling situation. We are not going to solve it by the fall.

If the NFL season does work, there are going to be waves. We're going to have to manage it. We're going to have to work together. But instead of just banging on DAC, and I think it's really bad judgment, I think this is a primary challenge. And by the way, it's much easier to get people to isolate at home in bad weather. We're moving out of the spring here in about two weeks. What happens when it gets sunny all over the country? And you're being told as job loss mounts, stay inside.

That's going to be a much tougher task for politicians everywhere. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So my dolphins are in dire need of a franchise quarterback, and they have three first round picks, so they do have the power to move up from their fifth spot in the draft this year.

But according to Peter King, GM Chris Greer and head coach Brian Flores are very much against trading the farm to move up and get Joe Burrow. So Chris Greer was a Miami National Scout in 2006 when they passed on Drew Breeze. because of his shoulder injury. And apparently it is Stephen Ross, the owner of the Dolphins, who is very interested in Burrow. I'm on Stephen Ross's side in this particular case, obviously,

because I think Burrow is the safer and better prospects and the better fit for Miami. So trading three first-round picks or however many picks of Cincinnati would want, if that's even an option, to me is worth it when you have for 14 picks in this draft and you just did everything that you did in the off-season to bolster up.

up your defense, but it seems as if the front office might be a little bit split on this. So who gets the final say? Stephen Ross may defer to the football guys in this situation. Well, I mean, why would I care what Stephen Ross thinks about? He's an owner. He's a real estate mogul. I don't care what's. Now, Stephen Ross has the ability to force his coach to do stuff. Absolutely. But I, like Stephen Ross likes the Joe Burrow. Yeah, of course he does, because owners don't sit and go through tape. They watch two or three games at the end of the year and go, I like that guy who quarterback to LSU.

There's an old saying in the NBA. NBA GMs will tell you this. The owner, if a guy is great in March Madness, the owner's like, I like that guy. And they're like, well, there's a European guy that's way better. But the owner didn't watch the tape on the European guy. So whenever I hear owners like, it's generally a college athlete who starred in March Madness or who starred, you know, Joe Burrell's last three games, he looked like Superman.

And here the owner jumps in and he goes, yeah, I like that guy. How much tape did you watch about Joe Burrow? as junior and sophomore year in college. Well, if they're about the same to the Dolphinsboro and Tua, the only gap is injury, then you're willing to take that risk on them. And then, of course, there's no need to trade up that far in the draft. If you think it's a difference between, you know, John Elway and, you know, three tiers down of a quarterback, then that's the difference.

But if they're close, of course you don't want to give up that many picks and lose those opportunities to move up. To me, the injury thing, if he's available at the fifth pick, which he may or may not be, that that's a worthwhile risk. I mean, you can clearly explain away if he doesn't end up being what he is. To me, the biggest difference is that I think Joe Burrow is a better fit in Miami, the Miami culture, the city. I think he fits Miami better than Tua.

Well, I think Tua is a leader. I don't know if he has that, you know, the biggest thing that we always hear about Burrough is that he has a lot of confidence. Yeah. As long as the two doesn't have confidence, but there's a bit of a personality fit for each franchise and city. that makes a big difference. So to me, that's the difference between the two of them,

other than the fact that I think Furrow is better. So Tyrod Taylor jumped to the top of the Chargers' depth chart when they parted ways with Philip Rivers. And even though there's been a lot of talk about L.A. drafting a quarterback with a sixth pick this year, Anthony Lynn is reportedly legitimately bullish on Taylor. According to Peter King, Lynn could see Taylor running the Chargers' offense

for more than one year. So we're all assuming that they are going to take a quarterback in this draft. but they're not in the same position as say Miami is with all the draft picks and a spot ahead of them in the draft. So if they end up with someone like Justin Herbert or one of the other quarterbacks in the draft and not Tua, you'd probably want to see them sit at least a year. I don't have a problem with Tyrod running the Chargers and being the franchise quarterback for the Chargers. And I totally understand why Anthony Lynn would be bullish on Tyrod Taylor. I mean, he got Buffalo to the playoffs of the first time since 1999, 2017.

I was surprised that Buffalo let him go. And they feel like they're in a better situation with Josh Allen. We'll see. Josh Allen hasn't done much more than Tyrod did and made to the playoffs and didn't win a game. I can argue that Ryan Fitzpatrick is Tyrod Taylor, both capable of winning games, smart veteran players who could also be great mentors to a young quarterback. Miami's going to win a bunch of games this year if they don't take a quarterback. And if they do, they don't have to play them. the Chargers with Tyrodt are going to win a bunch of games.

I think Ryan Fitzpatrick and Tyrod Taylor stylistically are not the same player. Well, actually, Fitzpatrick's a, yeah, I think they're stylistically. One guy's a little more of a risk taker, Fitzpatrick. One guy's a little more conservative as a thrower, Tyrod Taylor. You could absolutely win 10 games with both current quarterbacks. But neither franchise sees them as the long-term answer. Short-term, though? If you told me the Dolphins got into the plan,

playoffs with Ryan Fitzpatrick, I'd be like, yeah, it's not the strangest thing ever. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised based off of Fitzpatrick's career. But I could see Tyrod actually being the starting quarterback for the Chargers for two to three years if that was a situation that was needed. Ryan Fitzpatrick is not a two to three year situation. He's a one year tops, have the guy that you draft come in and sit and learn how to be a pro. He's not going to be the starting quarterback moving forward in any capacity. That's a legitimate conversation with Tyra Taylor. And I think it's fair.

And I kind of feel bad for Tyrod. He leaves the Ravens. He goes to Buffalo, gets them to the playoffs. Of course, we know they don't win. He goes to Cleveland. They draft Baker Mayfield. He starts three games, and they put Baker in. And now he's in the Chargers in kind of a similar situation.

I'd like to see him get an opportunity. I think he's a step up for sure from Ryan Fitzpatrick, I think, is a placeholder where Tyrod could actually end up starting for, you know, two to three years. Are you going to build your entire franchise future around him? No, but I do think he's a legitimate starting quarterback. Finally, Roger Goodell will also be abiding by the. the stay-at-home rules during the draft. He will reportedly announce the first-round draft picks from the basement of his home in New York.

Peter King is also reporting that there will be a virtual montage of 15 fans of the team on the clock behind Goodell during the pick, which I think is pretty cool between each pick. And those fans will be reacting to the commissioner and whoever the team select. So the NFL is doing their best to still keep those elements of the draft active in what is going to be a virtual draft and a stay-at-home draft for everyone. one. So we always like seeing the fans reaction wherever the draft is to what their team has done and what the selection is. So it's going to be a, I guess, kind of like a Zoom meeting. Yeah, yeah. Of fans behind Goodell. But I like all these elements that they're finding alternative ways to

keep it a little traditional. Yeah, the star of these drafts are not the commissioner or the GMs. Once a player gets picked and you as a Lions fan have a player and they're talking about and the videos up. It's such a great weekend for fans. All these media people pooping the draft. It is such a wonderful four to five day stretch of hope. And in America right now, if you can do a business at home over the phone, stop worrying about optics. Do it. The country is starving for good news. We have an emotional crisis, a domestic violence crisis, a psychological wave here. we're all dealing with. If you can find these little glimmers of hope,

the draft to me has always been a weekend of hope, where everybody wins. All 32 teams are absolutely sure their sixth round pick is going to be Brady. Everybody's sure. Some guy from Alcorn State is the next Brady, and that's what's awesome about it. Everybody's deliriously optimistic,

and this country really needs it. Joy Taylor. Yeah, Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. heard line news. Three-time national sports writer of the year. Football Morning in America, NBC Sports.

Joining us now, Peter King, sponsored by Mercedes Benz, the best or nothing. He will have his mock draft next Monday. I think I'm going to have mine tomorrow. We'll figure it out. So I found it fascinating this morning. I'm going to throw a crazy trade. You ready to go? Yeah.

Okay. So the Chargers, Tom Telesco, who you note in your column, please read Peter's column. It's very interesting. He's a poker player. So he goes out and gets Baluga the left tack. and he gets Trey Turner really early in March. Why?

Because he's trying to signal to Tom Brady, hello, you'll be safe here. They fell to the very end. They were going to get him. They didn't. He also makes a very interesting move. Stay with me, Peter, to get Chris Harris a very good corner. But yet they've already got a great corner in Casey Hayward

and a very good number two corner. So corner was not in need in Derwin James coming back to play safety. Why did they do that? Because then they know that seven. draft picks cannot make this roster right now. They did it because they know Detroit needs a corner at three and they can couple multiple picks and one of their corners now, Hayward or King, to get a team desperate for a corner, Detroit, and get their spot in the draft and get the quarterback they like because I'm told they absolutely have a quarterback they've decided on. What do you think of my nutty

theory? It's as logical as any nutty theory this time of year. And, you know, when I saw them get Chris Harris, look, last year in the NFL, teams played three or more corners on approximately 71 percent of the offensive snaps. And so, you know, in essence, your nickel corner, and Harris has been a very good one, he can play anywhere, but he's been a very good nickel corner. you know, he's essentially a starting player. You know, he's going to play maybe seven or eight hundred snaps this year.

And, you know, it's folly to think that your top three corners, that none of them is that all of them are going to be healthy for 16 weeks. So be that as it may, I think that it's an interesting theory in part because I don't expect Detroit, if it even has a glimmer of a good shot to trade down, I don't expect Detroit to stay at three. Now, obviously, you need a trading partner. And, you know, right now, if you look at Miami and the Chargers at five and six, what are you thinking?

One or both of those teams is going to take a quarterback. And so right now, it's a game that they're playing. I don't know if, you know, I've heard that there's great regard for Justin Herbert inside the Bengals, inside Miami, and inside the Chargers. Yep. But also, obviously, you hear about Tua and Miami, and I don't know about Tua and the Chargers, okay? So without being sure of if the Chargers absolutely want a quarterback in this draft, then that means. make sense. But I want to remind you of one thing. Okay. In the last three drafts, Tom Telesco has not made a draft weekend trade.

So that's 21 picks, no trades. Now, he did have a supplemental pick two years ago, and he used his original seven to trade, I think, for Cardale Jones. And so, you know, it is true. He has not made any trades involving drafters. I'm saying that he's not made a draft weekend trade. He basically had 21 picks and picked them all. He hasn't moved up, hasn't moved down. That isn't to say he can't do it. He might do it. But he's a little bit Gettlement-ish in that regard. Yeah, I was in the war room two years ago. He did try to make a draft trade. I'm not going to say what it was, but it was a lineman in the SEC. I'll just say that. He did try to engineer it, but could not get what he wanted in return.

I think I can say that now two years post. So to your point, he doesn't, but I was there when he was trying to engineer when I was hearing him scrambling. And I think he just uses great discretion. Now, I want to go to this. Jordan Love, to me, is fascinating. Jordan Love, sophomore year is great.

His coach, who has a college-winning record, leaves. He then inherits a coach with a losing college record, and his numbers erode. you can look at Jordan Love with the better college coach and make an argument, we got a star here. Or you can look at him last year with a coach who the last time he coached that Wisconsin, a great program lost 59 to nothing, bombed in Oregon State, and lost one 30 percent fewer games in Utah State than the previous coach.

My point, when I see Jordan Love, I see a great talent who lost a great coach, his numbers went down and were blaming the player, not the staff. What are you hearing on love? He's the most, one of the most polarizing players in the draft. You hear that, you know, as one GM told me this weekend, that looks not Mahomes, but he's tremendously instinctive. He's an exciting player. and he really is one of these guys who in the right system,

like with an Andy Reid type, could probably be coached exceedingly well and could turn into a good quarterback. Now, there are others who think, you know, he was, I believe he was arrested, but he was not found guilty of marijuana used leading up to their bowl game. But nobody cares about marijuana now anyway.

Thank you. That's sort of the judgment test. Yeah. You know, it's not very smart when everybody's looking at you and your future is on the line to be doing something even remotely illegal. Right. You know, and marijuana use is not looked upon nicely in the state of Utah. Right. So anyway, all I'm saying is that there are some people who question is judgment, but you're right, Colin.

and there's a lot of people in this draft who are fascinated by him. Look, you know, the greatest thing for him would be to go to a team where there is a quarterback in his 30s, and you might need a quarterback in two years. You know, like last year get drafted by the Chargers or something like that. I worry a little bit, you know, some people who said, hey, well, what about the Patriots? Well, you know, who knows? I don't know. But I just don't think it's really smart to think of Jordan Love playing in 2020,

especially when you're going to have a mangled offseason. Yeah. Yeah, it's, I can't wait for this draft. I think in a... That's because nothing else is going on. Right, and I also... We all got Cabin fever. We're all going crazy.

It'd be nice to have something. But, you know, Peter, I've said this, is I think the NFL draft is not just about, labor accumulation. It's about hope. It's the only four days of the NFL season. Nobody loses. And everybody is absolutely sure their six-round pick is going to be a superstar. I think America needs hope. And I think if you can find telephone or businesses I can do on Zoom, you have to do them. Because we're not going to have, my gut feeling this morning is baseball season's done. That is not good for America. My gut feeling today is NBA is 70-30 not going to happen. When you talk to GMs around the league, I don't think this is a time to be precious.

I think we have to go forward if you can with telephone businesses. Your thoughts? Well, here's the thing, Colin. I think two or three weeks ago, general managers were really, really nervous about this. And this was before many of them even knew what Zoom video conferencing was. And I'm not trying to give them a plug, but Zoom has been absolutely phenomenal. Now, there are other, you know, applications that you can use. Like a lot of NFL teams use Microsoft Teams as well.

But the thing about Zoom is that it is allowed teams to have the kind of meetings where you have 20 people on the screen and any of them can talk. It's not perfect. But everybody is, you know, I don't find many people who say, man, the scouting meeting stunk. You know, I think they're ready. And I also think, here's what I noticed. when I talk to eight or ten team people Friday and Saturday, you know what I noticed, you know, that they now understand their role because they've seen people being forklifted into semi-trailers in body bags in New York

at a rate of maybe four or five hundred a day. You know, so, and I'm not trying to be grotesque, graphic, anything like that. I'm just simply saying that it's a little bit silly to be complaining about not being able to get a second physical with Tua after the combine. Right. So that's why you haven't heard a lot of that in the last week or so because I think that teams are fired up right now to give the fans and to give this country something that they always look forward to anyway. and now because there's a vacuum with everything else and nothing else exists, they understand that this is the only show in town, and they're going to try to put on a big show.

By the way, two minutes left. Do you think the Patriots end of the first round? They need a tied-in. Notre Dame has a good one. Or do you think they go quarterback? And I'll ask you the same with Green Bay. Jordan Love. Here's what I think.

I don't know who the Patriots like, you know, because you never know. but I've heard that this guy commit is the kind of all around tight end. That would be an incredible fit in the Patriot system. Now, 23 is probably too high to take him, but Bill Belichick never made. He's like John Schneider in some ways. He never met a trade he didn't like. So I could see the Patriots dumping out of that pick just the same way as I could see Schneider dumping out. And again, you know, I would, I'd be surprised if they took a quarterback at 23.

but, you know, we'll see. They're always a mysterious team. You're asked about Green Bay? Green Bay wouldn't surprise me at all. If Green Bay loves Jordan Love, why not pick him? Because, you know, Aaron Rogers has got, you know, a good, I would say a good three years left. Yep. And if you take Jordan Love in the first round, well, you know, maybe he's exactly like Aaron Rogers, drafted in 2005, played in 2008.

Could Jordan Love get drafted in 2020 and take over the job in 2023? Maybe. Also, Green Bay needs receivers. It's a loaded Green Bay. It's a loaded draft. But you know what? I think if I'm Green Bay, I wait until, I think a lot of teams are going to wait. You saw all these teams wait to the second round last year.

And A.J. Brown, D.K. Metcalf, Terry McLaren, and the third, you had great, not good. Great receivers taken. Debo Samuel in the second and third round. Yeah, I had a scout the other day I read online said he thinks they're starting pro-bowl level receivers in the third and fourth round in this draft. And Green Bay needs them and could take a jort. Because they have a very good roster, but they need two receivers. And this is the draft to get him later rounds. Peter King, you know he's great.

NBC sports football morning in America. Great stuff, Peter. Thank you. Thank you very much, Colin. You bet we'll put him if you didn't hear the entire thing on our podcast today. Coming up next, Mark Cuban talks NBA coming back and why the sport is uniquely built to come back with no fans, which Mark Cuban discussed. That's next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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The Saints said, we'll go for it. Look where they're at. Patrick Mahomes had college injuries. I think you have to be careful just running from injuries. players get hurt in this league. Carson Wentz has been hurt in college in the pros. Aaron Rogers has been hurt in the pros, and they're still getting massive contracts.

Guys got talent or not. It's a talent business. I have a quarterback I like. My job is to protect them on the offensive line and through the draft and free agency. I'm going to roll the dice on quarterbacks with injuries because I've seen so many do it. People go, what about Sam Bradford?

Sam Bradford just wasn't that good. Sam Bradford's not as good as Tua. Sam Bradford's not as good as Patrick Mahomes. Yes, he got hurt, but he also wasn't that good. So Mark Cuban, NBA owner of the Dallas Mavericks, a big fan of him, came on the show about two weeks ago. It was great. He said yesterday, it's not inconceivable to me that we are going to have an NBA with no fans.

He goes, I'm being optimistic. I'm not a doctor, but I do believe we can play without fans. Brian Winhorst at the place I used to work says, the NBA is looking at a 25-day window to return, and they know that would feature 11 days, individual workout, social distancing measures, and then 14 days of team training before a return to games. I think the NBA can return July 1st officially and still get the season in.

Because I think, I'll just tell you this, I think the football season could get pushed back to the first week of October, which would allow the NBA more room to operate. So start training camp July 1st. This whole thing's fluid. A month ago, I didn't think. the NFL season or college was going to get pushed back. If you asked me today, I think there's a 25% chance.

You move it back another month. You know, college universities, move it back another month. But let me just say this. The NBA is uniquely qualified to play without fans. Because NBA players are performers. Most NBA players played AAU basketball. A majority of AAU basketball games are played in front of under 50 fans. They are.

There's some all-star tournaments, the night games. look at the NCAA tournament. The conference tournaments on the weekend before March Madness, the early games, you know, Providence against DePaul at noon eastern, nobody in the stands. Go look at March Madness, the first two or three days of it, early afternoon games. There's nobody in the fans. But basketball players are performers, and there is no equivalent to the Harlem Globetrotters in baseball or football or hockey or soccer.

But it works in basketball. You're out there in an exhibition just performing for the crowd. And I think performers, the better the performer, the greater chance of surviving. Howard Stern's going to be fine through this. He just had his biggest interview in several years. He's a performer. Actors, actors, Netflix, Amazon Prime are hitting it out of the park. They've never, ever have we had more performers, Instagram live shows,

concerts on Zoom, Instagram, DJs. Performers can get through this because of all the digital platforms now that are available to do stuff through your home. Similarly to NBA players, we don't think of baseball players as performers. In fact, there's a way to play the game. They almost diffuse personality. The NFL, you have to memorize a playbook. It is choreographed based on the coaches' needs and whims. Basketball is not that way.

go to New York City Rucker Park. Go YouTube it today. Those aren't basketball games. Those are performers. Go to the Kevin Durant Rucker Park video. That's not a game. He's a magician. He's doing tricks on a stage.

Basketball does that. Basketball not only does it, but embraces that. So the idea that you just couldn't put NBA players in an arena and have no fans and they wouldn't perform, This has always been the performer sport. I would argue that an NBA game without fans would be loose, would be wild, would be fun, would be individualistic. I think it would be harder to coach them because it would feel like, you know, you would feel like practice. And guys do what people always talk about, oh, you should have seen Michael Jordan at practice.

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That said, it's probably under 50-50, if we're going to have an NBA season. The good news, it was already started, and you could start playoffs day one. Don't have to worry about the regular season, unlike baseball. It hadn't even started yet. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong, next.

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your podcast. Here we go. It is our number two on a Monday. Good day, Evian. This is the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1, Sirius XM Channel 83. Joy Taylor is joining me, Colin Wright, Colin Wrong in 90 seconds. Joy, how are you? I'm great. I can't hear myself right now. Sorry, had a good weekend. I watched Ferrari last night. How was it? It was good. I actually cried.

Really? Yeah. It got really sad at the end. It's a great movie, though. Matt Damon, Christian Bale, right? Yes, Christian Bail is incredible. There's a lot of great actors in that movie, though. I watched two documentaries yesterday.

One, I'm not even going to, it was so good, but I don't feel like sending my audience to it because it is uncomfortable viewing. and I don't think a chunk of you just don't want it in your head. But I'm a documentary person more than a movie person. And there are some unbelievable documentaries out there. Some of the stuff that happens in this planet is crazy. You watch a lot of documentaries. Oh, I've watched one a night, last night, too.

Well, it's real world stuff. To me, I like my life. I don't need to escape to something. Like, I like real world stuff. I like weird, dark, real world crime stuff. You didn't like Tiger King, though. That's real world. Real weirdo.

I find him to be just tedious. All right, here we go. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong on a Monday. Where Colin was right. Didn't like the L.A. Rams acquiring Brandon Cooks. I thought it was a franchise that overpays for star players and falls in love with guys that can run really fast. and stars who can sell tickets. And now the Rams are taking a massive cap hit.

They have traded Brandon Cooks to the Houston Texans. And the reality is they never needed Brandon Cooks. There was no point. Robert Woods, Cooper Cup, Gurley was a good wide receiver. They've got an accurate quarterback. They have a kid named Josh Reynolds. They've been really doing a good job developing. Receiving core is not an issue for the Rams.

They have all sorts of guys who can catch. But the Rams years ago paid too much for Tavon Austin, and they paid too much for Brandon Cooks. Now they bailed. They gave a first round pick and a lot of money to a guy that came in is kind of a one-trick-wide receiver. Where Colin was wrong. Well, Tom Brady admitted last week on Howard Stern.

Yeah, he made his mind up before the season. So I all year on the Tom Brady thing, I had a 75% to 99% Tom Brady pie he would stay. And instead, he had a Tom Brady cake that was 100% made before the season started. Does it surprise me? Yes, because Tom's a creature of habit. And the Patriots were his habit. And Tom is smart.

And the Patriots are the smartest organization, probably in the NFL. And he's all about family. And the Patriots were his family. But in the end, he chose happiness and weapons. And I was wrong. Where Colin was right? Well, LeBron said last week, this season has no closure if we don't play. And many in the media have speculated that LeBron James actually with an older body would take longer to ramp up and be ready to play and he doesn't really want this season.

No, this is LeBron acknowledging without really saying it. We've got an old roster. It's a bad draft. The cap is coming down because of revenue losses. And the free agency class stinks. And this is the roster I'm stuck with for the next year in Los Angeles. and other teams are deeper, younger, and will improve, and we're kind of what we are and we need to play.

So I think LeBron and him admitting it, this is a disaster for LeBron if he has to shut it down. Where Colin was wrong. Always loved Dak Prescott's judgment, cowboy quarterback. In fact, never thought he had a good arm. I think he's a decent athlete, not special, not Kyler Murray, not Carson Wentz. But in the end, he had a party for 30 people in a buffet this weekend. And I know.

You're young. You've got a big house, a big yard. You're in a big state. This is tough for all of us, right? Like, I get people wanting to go out and go for a run. And, you know, I get it. Like, I'm not the moralist police here. I think it's impossible to ask everybody to stay at home for the next two months as there's job loss.

And people as the warm weather in Texas begins. But I do think it's bad judgment and it's a bad look. And it would be one thing. I support DAC throwing to a couple of players that have some social distancing. Having a party for 30 at your house and a buffet, that's just not good. I can't defend that. Where Colin was right? One of my favorite young players in the NBA, Jason Tatum and the Celtics came out this weekend

and said, Steph Curry, quote, changes the game and is a top 20 player ever. Hallelujah. Folks, he's the best shooter in league history. And I would argue the best ball handler in league history. How can you be two of the fundamental three to four things that matter most in basketball? and not be a top 20 player of all time. College and pro basketball looks different today than 10 years ago because of one player, Steph Curry.

Three titles, two MVP, the only player to have a unanimous MVP, and that includes Michael Jordan. But there's always been this pushback on Steph Curry because he's kind of small, there's a lot of finesse to his game. You know, he grows up in a fairly privileged family, and maybe he loses some credibility. in the league, whatever. But Jason Tatum, a duke gets it. You can't be the best shooter and ball handler in league history and go, you know, it's good. Three titles, two MVPs, one unanimous.

He's absolutely a top 20 player and one of the greats all time. Where Colin was wrong. I have defended Texan's head coach Bill O'Brien for years. I thought he did a good job at Penn State Post-Paterno, and he gets to the playoffs. I can defend him no longer. the Brandon Cook's move is bad. It's a bad move. He's expensive.

The Rams wanted to get out of the contract because he's considered retirement, several concussions. He's a one-trick pony, a speed guy, and also, the Texans already have Will Fuller can't stay healthy. Kenny Stills hurt three games last year. Randall Cobb and Green Bay had a lot of injuries.

It's a bad move. And also, it's the deepest wide receiver draft in a long time. That's what everybody's saying, right? Why would you give up a second round pick where you could get a great starting wide receiver for almost no money without the concussions and perhaps a multitude of more routes on his tree. I don't get it. I've defended him, but that's just a bad move as a football guy. Where Colin was right. George Kittle, all-world

tied in for the 49ers, said, quote, are you people crazy? I've had four quarterbacks here in San Francisco, Jimmy Garoppolo is easily the best. He said this weekend, there's nothing to talk about. Jimmy G's the quarterback. He's a hell of a quarterback. We don't get to the Super Bowl without him. I caught 85 balls for 1,100 yards with him. This is what I don't get about Jimmy Garofalo.

NBA's got style points. Baseball's got stat points. NFL's about winning. Even Kyle Shanahan, a brilliant offensive mind, couldn't win games without Jimmy Garoppolo. And Jimmy Garoppolo last year got to the Super Bowl. Both tackles miss games. They're Pro Bowl fullback miss games.

They had a myriad of injuries at wide receiver. He also had to, in the middle of a season, get Emmanuel Sanders and figure out how to have some timing with him. Jimmy Garoppolo was asked to do a ton last year. Oh, he's also in the best division in football. And he's 21 and 5 as a starter and you're on him because he had a bad fourth quarter in the Super Bowl? I don't get it. George Kittle didn't get it either. Where Colin was right?

Oh, Rex Ryan said two dumb things in one week. He's doubled his average. I've never been a Rex Ryan fan. I think he's a really capable but loud defensive coordinator. He called Amari Cooper a turd. Amari Cooper may not be as good as many want. He's a great guy. He's a great teammate.

He's a great kid. Again, there have been guys in this league. You could maybe call that. I probably wouldn't, but there's been some. Amari Cooper is one of the nice guys in any room. He's a great lubricator of a locker room. Secondly, he said Belichick couldn't win if he had Gino Smith. Well, all right, that doesn't mean anything.

I mean, Belichick in his fourth year in Cleveland went 11 and 5, and they didn't have great quarterbacks there either. Let's be honest about Rex Ryan. He's loud, but mostly wrong all the time. Where Colin was wrong. Netflix show Tiger King remains the number one show in America. They've now put a bonus episode out last night. Fox and TMZ tonight.

are doing a one-hour special, investigating the loose ends. The American public, inexplicably, has fallen in love with a bleached blonde mullet-wearing zookeeper who collects tigers. And you love him,

you can't get enough of him, and yet the Tiger King himself has not seen an episode yet. I got two more. Where Colin was right? L.A. Chargers head coach Anthony Lynn told Peter King this week, we are legitimately bullish

on Tyrod Taylor. Folks, stop getting embedded sports media people, trying to be right. In the last 45 games, Tyrod Taylor has a better passer rating than Cam, a better completion percentage that Cam, and a better winning record than Cam, with less people around him and a worse head coach. Tyrod Taylor wins games. Look at his last 45 games. with two rebuilding franchises, one more than Cam.

And he's also, for the record, healthier than Cam. Where Colin was right? Finally, we've said for years, um, baseball, the NBA will come up with an idea first. The NFL will get it right, and baseball will make the most money out of it,

and last night the NBA had a game of horse. It was not great. Probably better on a Zoom than a national TV network, but I will say this, is that this is what the NBA has always done. done. They come up with crazy ideas. There were the sleeves on the shirts. There was the new ball. They've never been rigid. They always adapt. They always evolve. And, you know, I, I, what can I make of the horse game? It's not a topic. It's, it was pretty painful. But it really

does speak to what the NBA's always been willing to do. Roll the dice, which is why I believe that centralized location idea. I think they do it in Vegas in one second. Good to have you in. Trent Dilfer is around the corner, my friend, Hunter Renfro, the Raiders, the Las Vegas. Raiders will be joining us today as well. Next hour. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app.

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So first of all, let's start with this, Trent. Your relationship with Tuah, are you, just explain exactly what you're doing with him right now? Well, my relationship dates back to when he was in the elite 11, developed a nice relationship with him. I think a trust bond. I was one of the few people that didn't blow smoke up, as you know, what as he was kind of going through the process. I think he appreciated that. You know, Lane Kiffin recruited him in Alabama,

knowing Lane a long time. Lane spoke really highly of the talent that he was, wanted him a little more refined before he went to Alabama. So, you know, our team, Relate 11 was able to kind of help him get a head start before he went to Bama and had the career he had. They asked me after he declared for the draft to kind of oversee his pre-drable.

draft work. This was, you know, before coronavirus. This was before kind of the upheaval of our country. We know it would be a unique situation because he was coming off multiple injuries. So I put together a team here in Nashville, kind of best in class of, you know, Luke Richardson, who was with the Broncos, the Texans, to help kind of bridge the gap between rehab into strength and conditioning, a full-time nutritionist, a chef, Ken Wisenhunt came in and did a lot of, you know, high level exo for the combine prep. Things obviously changed as our country changed. We had to pivot a little bit at times.

But really my job was to mentor Tua, really kind of start talking him through or looks like to be a CEO of a company, kind of the high level world that he was entering into having a long-term NFL career, and then tweaking some of his mechanics, one, so he could come back quicker from some of these injuries, but two, so that he'd be safer as he played the game at the next level, just kind of tweaking some of his biomechanics and honing in his skill set, which is already exceptional.

The analogy I gave was fine-tuning a Maserati. It was not heavy lifting. It was not hard work on my part. It was more getting him to better understand his body, understand why he does the things so well now and how he can even do them better moving forward. So that really was the crux of it. My ultimate goal, and I talked to Albert Burr

about this in the article in Sports Illustrated, today was less to get him ready for a combine, less to get him ready for a pro day, but really to hand him over to whatever team takes him in the draft as a better product than he was before, a healthier product, a more refined product, but somebody also had a perspective of, you know, starting what I hope to be a 15-year Hall of Fame NFL career. You know, a lot of stuff has said before the draft, and a lot of it's positioning by GMs. There's a lot of fake reports. what have you made of some of the, not panicky, but some of the critical tour reports

that people just can't get past the hip. What are you made to some of the media coverage? You know, it's like politics. There's a lot of agendas at play. There's a lot of people that use other people in the media to get their messaging out. I only can go off of what I know, and I know that the doctors, one that the NFL uses to clear the hips, have all cleared them. Dr. Kane, a surgeon. I never did anything with him.

We never did anything with him before he cleared those tests. He's had multiple rechecks by teams that are interested in him. His combine recheck. He's passed every benchmark with flying colors. In fact, most of his recheck, people have kind of dropped their jaws and said, we could never have anticipated him being this healthy at this time. So I can only go off what I know. I know the teams that have reached out to me, reached out to the agent,

that he was talking to also very comfortable with his health. They really did, they did want to see a pro day, and we ended up having to do kind of a glorified workout, had to Jimmy Rigget, but something that showed his movement ability, showed his stamina. I think that was a big thing, showed his power,

showed his Twitch. We did the best we possibly could to do that. Because I think that's the stuff that you miss in this, in the new world we're living in, they don't get to see to it. They don't get to bring them in. They don't get to work them out privately. They don't need to go to the pro day and say, hey, try A, B, C, and D.

Because we're really curious we can do those things. So I tried to guess the best I could anticipate what those teams would want to see and kind of replicate that the best I possibly could, the best two of possibly could, in a very unique situation. So, you know, I'm going to throw, Jordan Love is fascinating. So I can make a very, very linear argument. that when he had Matt Wells, a good coach, he was great. Then he inherited Gary Anderson.

So Gary Anderson lost 59-0-0 in his last game at Wisconsin. That's almost inconceivable for a great program. Oregon State was averaging six wins. He got there, they averaged two. He goes to Utah State, nothing against Gary Anderson. They went from 10 wins to 7. I can make a very linear argument. He lost a great coach.

Jordan Love had an inferior coach, and his numbers went down accordingly. Because I watch him and I say mobility, release, arm. I got to tell you, Trent, when I watch him on YouTube for 15 minutes last night, I don't see a lot of myths there. I see just develop him and let him play. What do you make on his erosion, you know, sophomore to junior year statistically? When we agree on things so easily, I tend to agree with your linear argument on Jordan Love.

I love the horsepower. I love the engine. I love the traits. I too saw the film two years ago where to the point where I was texting people around the league saying, hey, have you taken a look at this kid? This kid's fascinating. I think any time a quarterback goes through a dramatic coaching change, especially in college, it can affect this production dramatically.

I think one thing you have to look at is his production two years ago. A lot of it was very orchestrated by the standards. It was a very good offensive staff. The way they played football was very creative. It created a lot of first read home runs for Jordan Love and his ability allowed him to hit the ball out of the park. I think the one thing kids learn when they get to the NFL is it becomes more of a second, secondary and third level read format where you got to get past number one more often. You can't just be a pick and stick guy.

If I have a criticism of Jordan Love, his production came when number one was glaringly obvious. when he could say, okay, coaches dialed up this one, coaches are right, now it's up to my talent to get it to where the coaches told me to throw the ball. He was very, very good at that. I think that can get you somewhere in today's NFL more so than it could five, six, seven years ago. But I do think he's a redshirt candidate. I think he's a kid, and I don't think you take red shirts in the first round anymore.

I still think he drops out of the first round because he needs to redshirt unless you're a team that just is willing to eat it for a year, to why you develop them. I kind of felt the same thing about Drew Locke. And I'm very close to Drew. I think Drew is going to be a really good pro. I thought Drew was a redshirt candidate too. And then he came on and actually had a lot of success last year at the Broncos.

So I kind of put Jordan Love and Drew Locke in the same category. I'm a buyer. I'm just a buyer for the right price. Right. Trent Dill for joining us 15 years in the NFL, a Super Bowl, a Pro Bowl. Obviously he's coaching to another quarterback's elite 11 camp for years. Let's segue back to Tom Brady. So Brady has lived in a system of comfort mostly and convenience, the drive to work, the playbook.

You know, it's a lot of rote, memorization, and then tweaking off that. Now he goes to a not only a different city, a different style of coach, different personnel. Go back to your career. And then you add in the virus, no OTAs, less reps. Go back to the changes in your career. How long does it take to get the timing down, to get the playbook down, so you don't think you just react? Well, first of all, I try to never compare myself to Tom Brady. All right.

That's number one. I will use my experiences. It's not as hard as people think the longer you've played. You know, I went to Seattle after seven years in the NFL, went there late in camp, was told it would take me three years to master the West Coast. And I felt like from a mental standpoint, I was able to get in a matter of three, four, five months. I think Mike Holmgren would echo that, that I'd played long enough. I'd been part of enough system. It hit my brain right. I was able to get not just a strong grasp on it, but really felt like I mastered in a short amount of time. I think

Tom Bray will do the same thing with whatever playbooks throwing at them. I think the timing, might be a bigger question because he's such a timing guy and he's been so used to kind of this intermediate to underneath a high precision execute passing game where Bruce is a little more vertical. There's going to be a little bit of a growth curve there, but again, I don't think it'll be dramatic for Tom Brady. I look at the Tom Brady situation as this. I've kind of come up with this. Some people are going to get it. Some people aren't. But I think of like a very successful middle-aged man that's raised three kids, they're off in college, been married to the same one for 25 years, he's made millions of dollars, and then he has a midlife crisis. And he starts

sown his oath as a 45-year-old man. He starts joining expensive country clubs, going out clubbing, you know, buys a fast car, and just divorces his wife and just says, you know, I'm going to go live a different style of life. I'm going to sow my oats a little bit. I kind of see how that is what Tom Brady is doing at this point of his career. It's like, you know, I've been, I've lived a certain way. I've been super successful. Maybe the most successful of any quarterback that's ever lived, but there's more out there. And I want to see

what that more is, and that more are big giant receivers that can fly down the field. A coach is uber aggressive that's going to pump the ball down the field. A totally different city, a different culture, different lifestyle. And I think he's excited about that. And I think there's going to be some growing pains to that

as he gets integrated into that system and especially with the climate we're living in. No OTAs. Lack of time with time with his guys. But I think there's also going to be a youthful exuberance and an excitement that goes to that that's going to make him feel and act and play even younger than his actual age is. By the way, Trent, when you do these workouts, you know, there's, you know, Dak Prescott this weekend had a party, 30 people a buffet, you know, not a great look.

But I have defended, you know, I would defend Dak on a personal workout. If it's him, somebody gives him a ball, a coach, you know, He makes some throws to receivers. Like some of it, I defend because we're human, and he's a big young, strapping, healthy athlete. When you do workout stuff and all this social, you know, virus stuff, how do you, how do you engineer it? How do you do it? How seriously is that taken? Oh, it's been so stressful, and I've been trying to be so sensitive to it.

because this is a massive worldwide crisis and you don't want to put anybody at risk and trying to adhere to those policies while still trying to get somebody ready for the draft was a real challenge. Number one, we moved away from the institution, which I work at, because it just didn't feel comfortable doing it at institution. We found a facility that was willing to work with us in very small groups. We always kept it under 10. We did our very best to keep the six feet apart and others. Reality that you couldn't do. I was obviously snapping a ball up to two.

I was underneath six feet with him while we're doing the pro day. Receivers are dabbing guys up after they make a good play with the quarterback. We had hand sanitizer everywhere. We wiped down the balls constantly. We made sure we weren't touching our face during the workouts. We did the best we could. But yeah, we were very terrible. We were very careful in the process, sensitive to the climate we're living in.

But also, yeah, we made some concessions along the way knowing that we had to get work done. And it was a very delicate balancing act. Yeah, no, you know, athletes have to train. I get it. And I'm not a moralist. I understand people out there, young strapping athletes with space, the least likely to face the most serious symptoms. I get it. And it is delicate to bounce around.

Trent Dilford, it's great having you on a Monday, buddy. Thanks for stopping by. Thanks, Colin. Always good talking to you. Hunter Renfro, the Raiders, excited to talk to him next hour. Folks, whether you're working from home or on your fitness, you want to hear your music, not your roommates. And Raycon's wireless earbuds, way to go.

Get 15% off now. Buyraycon.com slash heard. Here's Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. on the news. This is the herd line news. So Joe Burrow is expected to land in Cincinnati in the draft, and former Bengals quarterback, Boomer Asiason,

thinks that Burrow coming to Ohio would be similar to LeBron James staying home. He said, I equate him to when LeBron James came out of high school and the Cavaliers of the top pick. They had some good years under Larry Nance, but they were never thought of as the Bulls or the Lakers or the Celtics. He grew up in the shadow of Cleveland and brought them the championship. now it's Joe Burrough's time. He's got to go home and get it straight.

He's the reason why they get it straight. That's the way it should be written, and that's the way he should be looking at it. So NFL teams are permitted three one-hour calls with prospects each week, and Albert Breer reported that the Bengals have used all of their a lot of time with Burrow. That's three hours.

It doesn't really seem like a whole lot of time, but I guess they have to keep it regulated in some way. I think this is a lot of pressure to put on Joe Burrow. considering that not everyone is of the same consensus that he is the chosen one as LeBron was entering into the NBA draft. I mean, I think that Joe Burrow is that good, but the fact that anyone is split on it is probably a sign that that's not going to be as smooth a transition. And look, it's not like LeBron went there and won a championship with his first seven years. He left. Went to Miami, obviously, got the blueprint, became a champion, came back, and we know what happened.

But Cincinnati is a little bit of a different situation. And again, I don't like comparing the NBA to the NFL in these situations. Of course you need the guy. Of course you need the franchise quarterback. You need the man. You need the leader. But he's just one guy and he doesn't play the defensive side of the ball. LeBron affects every aspect of the game.

Him coming to your franchise changes everything. It's not as simple as that when it comes to Joe Burrow. They have to put pieces around him. They have to protect him. They have to make sure that they play to his strengths. They have to make sure that their defense is in place. And then, of course, they have to play in the AFC North against the Steelers, Ravens, and the Browns defense. So I don't know if that's an entirely fair comparison.

I understand what he's saying, that he needs to go there, being the hometown kid, you know, building up the city, bringing the energy back to Cincinnati, getting them that championship. But I just don't know if that's a fair field of comparison because it's a lot of pressure for Joe Burrow. So Cam Newton has been working hard to get another chance in the NFL. and his former teammate, Luke Keekely, thinks he could follow in Ryan Tannahill's footsteps to get back in a league. There's a model that's kind of in place right now with what Tanna Hill did. In Tennessee, you come in as a backup, but then as the season progresses, you get an opportunity. But I think, I think Cam, you know, he gets back to being healthy. He's still a dangerous threat.

You look at what he's done the past couple years, minus his injuries, has been fantastic for us. And I think the thing that makes Cam special is what he can do inside the pocket, but also what he can do with his legs. And to me, you know, once he gets everything back healthy, he's going to be back to where he was before. The problem, of course, is the places you think would like him, like Pittsburgh makes sense to me. They said they weren't interested.

And the chargers make real sense to me. And they're not interested. So, like Bridgewater, we kind of had a feeling there'd be a lot of good fits. And in the end, you were like, yeah, yeah, Tampa and Carolina with Cam. It's like, okay, there's two, three places. Like, I really honestly think Las Vegas is a great fit. And then they went and got Marcus Mariotta. So when you see fits, because I think most people can look at it and go, okay, he fits here, here, here.

Vegas, he's a celebrity, he's a star, L.A. The problem is the GMs in those cities appear to not be cam people. So I just think it makes his market small and probably post-draft. It's definitely post-draft. but also people are very concerned about being able to physically evaluate him. I do agree that the situation is similar in that he will end up as a backup somewhere temporarily. I just think that Camus is such a bigger name than Ryan Tannahill. He's a different personality than Ryan Tannahill.

So Ryan Tannahill going to Tennessee as the backup, it kind of felt like, okay, you know, he's not going to come in there as a big disruptor. And he wasn't. He clearly wasn't. He waited his time and he got his opportunity and did well with it. you know, kudos to him. I think it's a similar situation in that regard. I get what Luke Keeckley's saying.

But Cam Newton being your backup, as soon as things start to go wrong. Literally the moment things start to go wrong with your starter, people are going to start calling for him. And I don't think that's a bad thing because I think Cam Newton is still capable of doing that. But I'm with you as well. Like, I think the places where he would make the most sense don't, they're already filled. The one thing about the Steelers, though, that concerns me is what is your backup situation? I mean, we're not keeping the same situation though.

last year, right? And we all saw that. I mean, it's remarkable that I could be forgetting this. Weren't the Steelers in playoff contention week 15 or 16 almost? Yes, very late into the season with Mason Rudolph and Duck Hodges.

But we're good. We're good on them, right? Like I, the funny thing about the Steelers is, am I mad? Because I think Cam works there. Because I think Big Ben's not threatened by Cam. He's just, and he's made a bunch of money. What's interesting about the Steelers is,

they may look at it and think, we almost got in with Duck Hodges. Maybe we're just going all in on Ben and we don't think we need a great backup. Because it seems to me that James and Cam fit perfectly in that environment. But what's frustrating about that is they didn't have Ben and they could have used a good backup. And they would have been in the playoffs. So the idea that they're not interested in James or not interested in Cam, to me is kind of strange because you haven't seen Ben out there yet recovering from his surgery. and it's not like Ben's out here, you know, TB12 method. He's not doing Pilates.

So the Warriors lost one of the best players in the game when Kevin Durant chose to sign with the Nets. But team owner, Joe Lacob, chose to find the silver lining in the situation. He told the athletic, this is a really odd thing to say, but him leaving when he did may have turned out to be the right thing. For him, certainly, I want him to have a good career and enjoy himself.

He felt it obviously wasn't the right thing to stay. He wasn't quite comfortable. I can't explain why. I don't know why, but for whatever reason he moved on. But he wouldn't have played this last year. He was injured and we would have had a huge payroll as a team. So maybe this is the best thing we were able to start a rebuild a little bit earlier than we otherwise might have. But the positive is that we got a chance to move forward quicker and move into the next phase of what we're doing.

It's a positive way of looking at losing Kevin Durant. I would agree. But I don't know if I necessarily think that that would have been the mentality either way. Like you're not really building towards your future if you still have Kevin Durant. step Curry and Clay Thompson so I get what he's saying because this is the situation and the reality they have to deal with now they do have to build and move forward and they are going to be much better when they get healthy and make whatever moves they're going to make moving forward in the draft but yeah you weren't planning on moving into the

next phase of your organization of Kevin Durrana chosen to stay by the way if there was one NBA team that you would have said listen here's what's going to happen we're going to get this global pandemic and the season's going to be can't and you'd have told him that after Steph and Clay got hurt. Golden State, there's somebody on their shoulder that has given them, I mean, they're basically tanking the season and their fans had to put up with about half of a season. I mean, they are going to end up getting a lottery pick out of this and in a shortened season. I'm not saying anybody's getting a break with this, but if there was one NBA team that said,

okay, the season's canceled. You've seen enough of our awful tank. making season, they're going to still maintain their position in the draft and not have to go through an entire season. No, it definitely did work out for them. And Warriors fans have had a good life for the past few years. Yeah. They fit seven on the tables a few times.

All right, good stuff. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. The only time the Patriots and Jaguars have ever had anything in common, I think it's incredibly obvious. They're doing the same thing. It's just one we think highly of and one we think's a dormant. That coming up, Hunter Renfro of the Las Vegas Raiders. Excited to talk to him. It was a great

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Good to have you in. So I'm reading Peter King, Football Morning in America, and he goes through every team in the first round of the draft and kind of gives his take, not on their pick. His mock draft comes next week, but kind of his take on, you know, their mode of operation here. What are they thinking? And here's what he says about Jacksonville at number nine, a team I don't talk about much. Not a quarterback at number nine. They're not taking a quarterback. they really want to give Gardner Minshu a real shot.

That's interesting. That's interesting. Who's the other NFL team? Because Gardner Minshu is not a high-level prospect. Who's the other NFL team that is going to give their quarterback that's not a high-level prospect the shot? Oh, New England. What are the two teams in the NFL that let go of really good players,

Jacksonville and New England, and did not replace them on the free agent? Market, New England and Jacksonville, and are going with a franchise quarterback that nobody really considers a top-tier franchise quarterback, Jacksonville and New England. Now, you see those franchises as different franchises, and you should. One's got a Hall to Fame coach. One is a first-in-class operation. The other one's a doormat.

But look at all the other teams in the league that are bad. could you at least acknowledge Jacksonville as tanking? Cincinnati's bad, but they're trying to get Joe Burrow and will not trade out of it. They want a franchise quarterback. The Jets are bad, but they are clearly rebuilding their offensive line to protect Darnold. They're trying to win. The L.A. Chargers last year were bad. It looks like they're engineering a potential trade to move up and get a quarterback to back up Tyrod Tyler for a year and then be a star.

Detroit's bad. Well, they've brought in veteran players, many from New England. Miami's not very good. They've added all sorts of defensive free agents. The bad teams in this league are trying to get good, except Jacksonville. Let go of great play. I mean, not just a couple. They clearly in the last year, not in the last month, the last year decided to change things.

They let go of Jalen Ramsey midseason, Callais Campbelloff season, A.J. Bouye, a very good corner. Nick Foles, who they just. spend a fortune on. They're looking to trade a top defensive end. Why? They're tanking. Because Trevor Lawrence is in their same geographical footprint and they want to rebuild and they need a star

because they can't sell tickets. Now you say to yourself, well, New England's not tanking. No, their coach is too good to tank. They have too many solid players to be awful. But you can go six and ten. And when you have 15 picks in next year's

draft, you can move 10. of them to go from nine to number one or two. Because there's going to be at least two A plus Justin Fields, Trevor Lawrence prospects. New England may look at the prospects this year and think we like Joe Burrow and nobody else. We can't move up. We love at least two next year. So I think sometimes words matter. And when you say tanking, Miami last year was not tanking.

They were building a culture. But in the process, like New England this year, they let go of some really skilled players to accumulate draft picks. Translation, let's get some cap space for the next year. Let's get young and cheap. Let's obviously have a direction and play our ass off every week. But it probably behooves us to be seven and nine more than 11 and 5 and we don't have the personnel. It's not necessarily tanking. I mean, Jacksonville's not even hiding it.

What New England is clearly doing, releasing really good players, not replacing them, not interested on the free agent market, going with a quarterback that nobody right now thinks is a big, high-end, top-tier franchise quarterback. Duh, people in the media just can't get their arms around. They're not tanking. It's not called tanking. This is not like the NBA where there's clear tanking. Jacksonville clearly tanking.

They can't sell seats. They need a rock star at quarterback. They can't sell seats. So let's take an ACC guy in our geographical footprint and rebuild. But people are struggling this. Watch this. Here's a prime example. So New England's got a boatload of picks this year, but no number two.

What if New – would it shock you? Because my idea on this is a theory, which I think is right. But if New England moves off their number one pick this year, their first rounder, and trades down or trades out to accumulate more picks for next year, Could you even argue it then? Because New England doesn't have a second round pick. And I think they're going to do this. I think they're going to trade down or trade out of some of their picks to next year.

So you could look at up, John, how many picks they have. They're going to get three compensatory picks next year for Van Hoy, Jamie Collins, and Tom Brady to go along with their seven right picks they have, right? So they're going to have at least 10. I think they're going to try to move one or two of their picks, They're going to trade down or out of this year. So they can have so many picks next year, they can offer eight picks in one draft perhaps, maybe 10 over three drafts. And somebody's going to bite on that because some of the bad teams this year in the NFL,

New York Giants are not going to be very good. They don't need a quarterback. So if the Giants have the third pick and Belichick goes, I know you hate us and you hate me, but here's eight picks. Dave Gettleman has to take it. So just think about the teams next year that could potentially be bad. I think Cincinnati's going to be bad. They got Burrow.

I think the Giants are going to be bad. They got Daniel Jones. I think Jacksonville is going to be bad. They're going to take a quarterback. So I think the three teams I'm almost sure going to struggle, Giants, new coach, new staff, not going to have the camps, the Bengals and Jacksonville. Two have quarterbacks.

Watch the Patriots, trade down, or move out picks. And then you're not going to be able to argue with me. And that's going to be painful for you. All right, hour of three coming up, or Renfro of the formerly Oakland, currently Las Vegas Raiders next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Ah, here we go. Our number three and a Monday, live in Los Angeles, this is The Hurd.

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Joy Taylor's joining me. Joy, how are you? That always happens to you, Colin. You always get clipped off and get this, like, hater label. for one opinion. Don't you guys know we do columns right, Collins wrong every single week? Yes, yes. We update our opinions based off new information.

One of the things that really frustrates me with the political media at this on this country, right? And it bothers me at Fox News and it bothers me at MSNBC and it bothers me at CNN. When people are wrong, they won't admit it.

MSNBC whiffed on the Russia stuff with Trump. Own it. They won't. Fox News makes mistakes. Own it. Just own it. CNN whiffs regularly. Own it. So I have no problem. Hunter Renfro coming on and crushing me because it's funny and it's okay. We're wrong all the time. Nothing drives me nuts more than people that make a mistake and then try to maneuver or avoid it. Every Monday I come on and just say, yeah, whiffed on this stuff. It's okay. Nobody gets hurt. We're not perfect. I'm not going to spend all week doing it, but we have a segment where I, you know, shovel some dirt on my stupidity.

So there you go. By the way, I am before the end of the show going to tell you a documentary I'll watch, which is fascinating. One, I'm not going to tell you it's too dark. My friends are texting me. I'll send you with that. Another one I will. Let me start with this, though. So when I look at quarterbacks, I generally just look at traits.

And I've been taught that through the years by GMs and scouts. So Jordan loves a fascinating player. Arm A. Mobility A. Release fantastic. A plus. Escapeability. A.

Number of college starts. you know, B plus A, started a bunch of games. I don't, Joe Burrow worries me a little. One great year, it worries me. I covered Achilles Smith at Oregon over a decade ago. He was unbelievable. For a year, came into the NFL, overwhelmed. It's something I look at.

So I do think when you have an issue, can I, is there a reason for it? Is there a reason for it? So prime example. So Jordan Love had a great sophomore year, and he had a disappointing junior year. Okay, well, I have, I have an explanation, the coach.

Now, we all admit coaching matters, right? Like, Lamar Jackson would not be this great in Jacksonville. Can we all admit that? Not saying he's not talented, but Baltimore's helped him. Brady has been aided by Belichick, Montana Young by Bill Walsh, Terry Bradshaw by Chuck Knoll, Aikman, by Jimmy Johnson, right? We would all admit that. I'm not playing favorites here.

So, he had a guy. as a coach, Matt Wells. Matt Wells, a very good coach, and Matt Wells has a winning college record. And when Jordan Love had him, his numbers were great. And then he gets Gary Anderson, who has a losing college record. And he's not as good. Now, I'm not going to pick on Gary Anderson.

I don't know him. But Gary Anderson, fact, took over a Wisconsin program, and in the previous four years at Wisconsin, they had averaged 10 wins. He took him over. He lasted two years. He didn't do a terrible job. until the very end when he lost 59-0-0 in his final game in Wisconsin.

I follow college football. Wisconsin does not lose 59-0 to anybody, except Gary Anderson's team. He then goes to Oregon State, which I know well. In the previous four years at Oregon State, they'd won about six, six-and-a-half games a year. He's there, and they average two wins. Then he goes back to, so he bombs at Oregon State. He runs out of that town. After running out of Madison, he runs out of Corvallis.

Then he goes to Utah State. Great coach before. They win 10 games the previous year. He gets there with a star quarterback. They win seven and the quarterback goes downhill. Okay. Maybe it's not Jordan Love? Call me Nuddy here?

Maybe it's not Jordan Love. Maybe it's Gary Anderson's not a very good coach. I don't know him. But he's the only Wisconsin coach. Paul Chris worked. Brett Bilemo worked. Barry Alvarez worked. Everybody works at Wisconsin, except Gary Anderson,

who left town after two years and lost 59-0. And I'm not saying Oregon states of power, but they were winning six games a year. He took over. They were the worst West Coast team. So Greg Coast, there's just every time I look at Jordan Love's tape, and I've seen hours of it now. All I see is traits I like.

Here's Greg Kosel. I like Jordan Love. I think that he has what I would call ball distributor traits. He's another guy who can play rhythmically. He's big. He's 6.4, 223 pounds. He can move and throw. I think that his combination of traits makes him as intriguing a prospect as there is in the draft. When you look at the traits and the attributes, you see a higher level arm talent. He can throw with velocity. He can throw with touch. He's got more than enough mobility. So Jordan Love to me is of the top group, probably the most interesting prospect in the draft. Totally agree. All I see is arm mobility, college starts, great year with a great coach.

Looks like a first round, late first round quarterback to me. What do I know? All right. So now I want to shift to a topic that we all know is true. We may struggle to admit it. But the smarter somebody is, they can see troubles happening before they happen. The smarter somebody is. You can second line. thinking. You can kind of see the problem. Warren Buffett always talks about that with investing. Like second line thinking. Anybody can say, if I do this, this will happen. But how many people can say if I do this, not only does this happen, but what's the reaction by my sector or my business of that? That's, you know, people have speculated Bob Eiger left Disney right about the time he was getting reports about the pandemic and thought, this is probably a time to move. Now people are speculating he's going to come back because Disney's losing $30 million a day. I'm not

saying that happened. I'm saying that's been speculation. His timing was impeccable. And he may come back. But the point is, smarter people can see stuff way ahead of when it happens. And I think that's because you're curious, you read a lot, you're a step ahead of the game. Tom Telesco is a really smart Chargers general manager. They have a great roster. I mean, they really do. They need a franchise quarterback going forward a young, and they're going to get one. But it's interesting. Peter King's column today, he talks about Telesco, who he calls one of the best poker players in the GM space. I know Tom well. I go to dinner with Tom occasionally.

He doesn't give me anything I want. I know I don't get. So he's fascinating to go to dinner with because he's super smart, but I know I'm just a radio moron. He's not going to give me anything. So Peter King said he's a poker player. So when the Chargers went out and got Trey Turner and Brian Beluga on the offensive line in early March,

why did they do that? They did it, as I predicted, to signal to Tom Brady, we patched up our own line. you're 43 years old. And for the record, I've had this sourced. They thought they had Brady. That was a signal to Tom. Tom?

I mean, they didn't have to do it right then. They wanted to do it far in advance, so Don Yee Brady's agent saw. They didn't get him. But they also made an interesting deal. They signed two-year, $20 million deal to the cornerback, Chris Harris. Good player.

Why? Did they? I mean, Chris Harris is good, but it was, was it a position of need? They already have two excellent corners. Now, I'm not in any way saying they want to get rid of Chris Harris, but they already have Casey Hayward, who's a great corner, and now they have another great corner,

and they have a young kid out of Iowa King. What's the first name? I'm losing it. They have a third corner that I think is a really good player, a little bit of a headcase, but a good player. So why in the world, Desmond King, my bad. Talented player out of Iowa, very good player. I don't like him as much as Hayward or Harris, but he's a good player. He's absolutely a starter in the NFL and a one or a two,

for any other team. For them, he's going to be now a three. He's the best number three corner probably in the league. So ask yourself, why would they bring a corner on? Who needs a corner? Detroit with a number three pick. That's interesting, isn't it? So the Chargers have seven draft picks. There are not seven players in this draft with their picks that can make the team.

They need about four picks. So they can give away picks. and one of their corners to a team that needs picks and a corner. Detroit. Telesco's smarter than 90% of the guys in this league. It's just a crazy theory by me. I haven't talked to Tom about this, nor would he tell me. He would not.

But as I look at that organization, I think they got more draft picks than they have openings. They went and got another corner? Is that a position of me? I mean, everybody could use another good corner. It tells me that if they have to, if they get intel that, somebody is going to take the quarterback they want. And I do believe they're taking a quarterback with their first pick. They're at six.

But we know Cincinnati's taken Burrow, and we're almost sure Washington's going to give Duane Haskin's another year and are taking Chase Young. That third pick is Detroit. What do they need? A corner and picks, and the Chargers have both. And if the Chargers, and I don't know this to be true, but if they have a guy to Justin Herbert, Jordan Love,

and they have done all the work, and they've got a guy they want. You think they're going to sit back and keep a third best corner and their draft picks that can't make their team? So, you know, people talk about, ooh, what's going to happen? My speculation is that the charge is going to wait until draft day. They're not going to do it early, right? Because if they went and got the third pick from Detroit now,

well, then Miami could eventually, if they wanted to go to Washington. You just wait and wait and wait and wait and wait until draft day. but I do think when I look at the Chargers, they got a couple draft picks they can move, and they got an extra corner they can move, and who needs both? Detroit at number three. Just me rambling.

What do I know besides everything? All right, Hunter Renfro is really going to blast me. I am getting ready for it, getting my protective gear on. Yes, I called a Clemson team a fraud that he was on and won the national championship, and he is a terrific young NFRA. player. He's going to be joining us next.

Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHard Radio app. By the way, I don't even think it's arguable. If you go to last year's NFL draft, I don't think there's any argument. The team that had the best draft easily was the Raiders. And it's not really close. Hunter Renfro, who I'll bring on in about a minute, was a fifth rounder. He had an unbelievable year. Then their tight-end Foster Moreau, fourth-round guy, was the highest redded tight end. Max Crosby on the defensive line, the rookie at 10 sacks.

He was a fourth rounder. Trayvon Mullen, the second rounder, started most of their games, 10 and 16. Josh Jacobs was probably the rookie of the year. They overwhelmingly, most of your first round picks work. When you start getting into third, fourth, fifth round guys, like Hunter Refro had a tremendous year. Now, he got banged up, ribs, punctured lung, but had a tremendous year. And he is from Clemson. and I have to admit,

Clemson's a great program, but a couple of years ago, I'd watch them struggle and sputter at the end of a year. And I said, this team, this team's kind of a fraud. And so they won the national title. And here was their coach,

Davo Sweeney, responding after they won the title. You know, the guy that called us a fraud, ask Alabama for a fraud, was his name Colin Coward? I never met him, don't know him. I'm asking if Alabama for a fraud. Ask Ohio State if we're a fraud. Ask Oklahoma.

if we're a fraud. The only fraud is that guy because he didn't do his homework. I hope y'all print that. I did my homework. I watched you struggle. Hunter Renfro is joining us. All right, let's be honest. I whiffed on that one.

When you hear that, what do you think? Yeah, a lot of good memories come to mind. Coach Winnie, you know, he's one of the great motivators. So he kind of used that this year, and y'all make it easy for him. I mean, he's sitting back. And, yeah, we struggled with the Sacramento, St. Troy. But calling him fraud, he can use that for ammo the rest of the year.

And I'm just hoping you call it the fraud at the Raiders this year. I hope we get about week six or seven, you call it fraud, and we might have a chance to go win at all. Yeah, so Davo used that. So you had seen that before the actual game. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he, he, one thing he's going to do is defend his program.

And that's why we love Coach. When he's going to defend his players and defend his. program. And so he caught on when you, I think he shared it with the team, whichever week it was. And he was like, wait, whenever we win the national championship, you just wait. I'm going to call up that guy.

So he had it in his back pocket and he was ready for it. Well, first of all, congratulations. It's an amazing program. You had a great rookie year. So now it's different for you, Hunter. So as you go into your second year, you've moved to a new city. How is the, are you in Vegas right now? How is the transition?

Yeah. So me personally, back in South Carolina, which has been good during all this quarantine and all that. I got some open fields to run around in, play with the dog. So we are in Oakland, and we were expected to do our OTAs and our spring training basically there. And then we're going to move to Vegas after we leave NAPO for training camp. So it would be August until we moved there. So that's kind of what the plan was, and now this has been craziness. and we'll be in Vegas probably the next, in my opinion, the next time we get together.

By the way, Hunter, I lived there. It was my first job out of college. I lived there six or seven years. It's an amazing place. The food, you'll have to watch your calorie count because, man, there's a lot of good places to eat in Vegas. And I think you'll have an absolute blast. Yeah, absolutely. So you played with Deshaun Watson and you played with Trevor Lawrence.

They're both amazing. Tell me where they're similar. They're similar from a poise standpoint. I mean, literally nothing bothers you of one of them. I remember that last drive to go beat Alabama. Deshaun just kind of calmly sat there, looked at us and said, all right, this is our time. Let's go do it.

Let's go be legendary. And it was just like, it was playing a video game. Like, all right, this is what we've got to do. We've done it before. We do it in practice all the time. We do it. To end halves all the time, let's go win this game. and then Trevor's the same way.

I can remember the 2018 national championship that we won when Trevor is a freshman. And I mean, Trevor, like, forgot to do emotion or something. And I came up to him, and we kind of figured it out during the play. And he was like, ah, my bad. It was like, he's like a surfer, you know. He kind of has that relaxed mentality. Yeah. The long hair, and he's just the coolest guy on the field.

And nothing is over the top for him. If I don't make the play this play, no big deal. I'll make a 50-yard throw next play. It's the best yet to come for him. Yeah. Now, what are their differences? Differences. I would say that Deshaun,

and not that Trevor's not a baller because he is unbelievable, but Deshawn has a unique ability to kind of have like eyes in the back of his head. He can see, he can scramble around. I think it was the bill this year he was playing. He kind of spun around and got it to his running back. They either scored or set up. the game winning score to win. But that's how Deshaun is.

Deshawn can just make this uncanny ability to just make plays, see where the rushes come. But Trevor, Trevor 6'6, and Trevor can see it before they come. And that's what's so impressive me about Trevor's freshman year was he never really got in trouble. I mean, he got the ball out quick. He knew where his checkdowns were. And that is the difference to me.

Trevor has a good ability to just see the whole feel. where Deshaun can't scramble around and see the whole field. But that's kind of the difference to me. Now, they say this is the best wide receiver class. The draft has had in over a decade. So I want you to take your time on this and go back to your rookie camp. What are the one or two things that if a young receiver was listening right now, Hunter, and you said, okay, here are the two things, the two pieces of advice I'm going to give you

to make your transition college to pro easier? What would they be? Yeah. Yeah, it's funny. You hear these people projecting best receiver class. We have a pretty good receiver class this year, and I like to see, like, you know, how colleges go back after five years and kind of regrade and reevaluate and see, okay,

they were the number one class, but they performed, like, a top 15 class. And this class is the top 15. They're the best class. I want to do that because I think I're receiver classes. pretty special, but they definitely have some cool, some good players coming out this year. And I would say just the one, especially being around Coach Gruden, is he has coached so many players and so many best of the best. I mean, he's coached so many.

Just one is to kind of, you know, I don't, like when I got there, I thought I knew some things. I don't know anything, you know. The NFL game is so different than the college game. So just sit back and kind of take it all in. and just learn and be a sponge and just learn as much as possible. And two, the second thing I would say is be patient. In college, you kind of try to rush and the NFL, you have to be patient with guys.

You've got to let things develop because the coverage has changed so often, so late in the play. In college, you have one high or two high shell, and it basically stays that. or at the start of the snap, it spins. In NFL, it might look like it, then it'll change, and then it'll change again. So you always have to have those big eyes to be able to see the field, and then when the ball thrown, you get those small eyes and catch it. What was the best secondary as a rookie you faced last year, Hunter? Best secondary.

I saw Kansas City. Yeah. You're pretty good. You get Tyrone Matthew out there. I'm a big fan of Justin Simmons from the Bengals. I think he had a pick against us, but he did a great job of, it was one particular player where he basically read it like a one high and then he came down and robbed it a little bit and had a pig, just something we hadn't seen before. I think he is a really good player. And I thought that, I played him.

He was at Boston College when I played him in college. And I thought he was one of the better, especially young safety, than NFL. Joining us right now is Hunter Refro, excuse me, second year entering the NFL season. He was a fifth round pick, played 13 games. He was graded as the sixth best rookie, according to pro football focus. So he had an unbelievable year. You know, a lot of times, you know, it's funny in college. So you go to Clemson, and by and large, outside of maybe in Alabama,

you have a decided athletic advantage against most teams you play. And then he gets to the NFL, and it's closer. And you guys got off to a good start last year. And then you go to New York, and I watched every snap of that game, and just, it was. just awful. And I was thinking to myself, that may have been the first game you had played in half a decade where you felt like a Clemson opponent. I mean, talk about, go back to that game against the Jets when it's really the difference between college and pro. Go back to that

game. What happened to the Raiders? Yeah, it was unbelievable. I mean, yeah, I'd never, I don't, I don't remember even remember the score. It was that bad. We got just drug up and down the field. But you've got to be ready to play. And that's one thing you have to be ready to play in the NFL weekend and week out because that can happen to you. But it was weird because, yeah, we had like a three-game winning streak. I mean, coming off, I'm a big win, I think against the Bengals. Yeah, you were six and four, and you'd won three straight.

And people like me were saying, oh, my God, the Raiders can challenge for the division. And then it was just a shipwreck. It was – and it got bad early. Yeah, it did. I think just being a young team, we thought everything was going to be good. And as you build a program, you need games like that. But going into the game, we all felt good. We had a good week of practice.

We flew across country. We got to the hotel Friday. I mean, business as normal, but we just weren't ready to play. It was cold. It was wet. You just have to create your own energy in an environment like that. We had a lot of Raiders fans there. But that's something that we've got to learn from because really one game changed the next four games.

We played that game and then a domino effect, the next three. So that's just something as we go. And as my career goes, I just don't want that to ever happen again. Dabo, you said he's a great motivator. Gruden is obviously, he was a TV star. Do they motivate Gruden and Dabo the same way, Hunter? Very similar. They care a lot about their players.

I mean, Gruden texts me Happy Easter yesterday. He's always checking in on me. Max the same way. He'll text me, like, today's my anniversary. He texts me 45 minutes ago, happy anniversary. They're just good people. And as far as motivating, yeah.

Coach Gruden, maybe like to cusses a little more. He has a different way to go on about it, but they're both hilarious and can tell a story like nobody's business. Yeah. Well, you know what, man? It makes me happy. You had a, in my face.

I was wrong about Clemson and Hunter Renfro. Get in shape. Cross our fingers on this thing. Have you been affected by the virus? Your family. Is everybody okay? Yeah, everybody's been good. Like I said, I'm back here in South Carolina.

So I've been, I've been fortunately pretty safe where I live kind of around some fields. And so I've been able to kind of work out by myself. And my wife will be hitting me some tennis balls with the racket. And I'll go chase them down like a receiver. And so. I've been able to keep my distance a little bit. I've been lucky.

All right, Hunter. Hey, thanks for coming on the show, bud. Congrats and continued success. Absolutely. Thank you so much. You bet. Hunter Renfro. But, you know, you start looking, Joy.

Lord, you start looking at this draft of the Raiders. God, they just... Their first round pick got hurt. He ended up with five sacks. Josh Jacobs' home run. Trayvon Mullen. appears to be a longtime starter. Max Crosby, the best fourth-round pick.

Foster Moreau? highest-gritted rookie, tight-in, fourth round. Hunter Renfro, best fifth-round pick. Mike Mayer. Hey, listen, I said, with the Raiders, I said, Gruden's a TV star. Mike Mayhouse's in TV. I know them both, and I like them both.

Is this a TV reality show or an NFL team? They nailed the draft. They also had Jonathan Abram, the safety, who got hurt early on, but he might have been another really good player. Yeah, he got hurt really early. Yeah, he was the star on Hardin-Ox. Yeah, yeah.

He got hurt like week one. Good stuff. Joy Taylor, with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, you know, Colin, sometimes things take a few years to get rolling, too.

We're very impatient, especially in the sports space. So maybe we just need to give them a little more time to get their things together. And heart knocks generally doesn't help the situation if you're trying to paint a very, you know, fluid and put together. Yeah, I mean, think about that. with the Raiders. They had a crisis on their hands with A.B. And overcame it. And they had hard knocks. So it's pretty remarkable. They developed all these young players with a couple of like, you know, and they also knew, oh, yeah, we're leaving this stadium. Right. I mean, it's pretty impressive by Gruden and Mayock. It really is. Yeah. The only thing that

gives me any pause is they're not sure what their quarterback situation is. Speaking of a quarterback situation, several NFL teams have been doing their research on Utah State quarterback Jordan love. Yeah. His former coach Matt Wells said that seven head coaches called him recently to discuss love. Well, he doesn't name the teams that he's spoken to, but Jeremy Fallow reports of the Dolphins, Saints, Patriots, Chargers, Packers, and Redskins are all doing varying levels of homework on love leading up to the draft.

Packers. That's interesting. Packers are interesting. We know that the Packers have said that they would be open to taking the quarterback if that's what the situation presents. I don't think that's a bad idea to, if someone like, you know, if someone like Gordon Love is available. I mean, look, Jordan Love is one of those prospects that we didn't really start talking about until the last couple months. He wasn't in that conversation with

Burrow and Tua and Justin Herbert. But I think like we say with all these guys, it really matters where you end up going. Of course, you have to have a certain level of talent, but we really don't know what anybody is. Tua has questions. Burrow has questions for some. Justin Herbert has questions. Where you go matters. Patrick Mahomes going to the Chiefs matters. Even if he is an otherworldly talent, you still have to be. to give some credit to Andy Reid and what that organization has been able to do for him and him being able to sit behind Alex Smith, which was huge and he has said it is huge. Andy Reid said it is huge. So I think Jordan Love is in a situation like that as well. He ends up going

somewhere like the Packers or the Patriots. He's going to be in a really good situation. If he ends up going somewhere like, say example, the Redskins who are before Lee in this list, might end up being the best situation for him because it'll probably end up having to start right away. So before Tom Brady signed with the Bucks, there were some rumors that he could end up in San Francisco. bought into those. And George Kittle never did either. He didn't think it was going to happen, and he stands by Jimmy Garoppolo as his quarterback. You know, it is. People talk. There's nothing else to talk about. It's nothing that I took seriously. You know, Jimmy G's wanted to be my quarterback, and he's one hell of a quarterback. We don't get into

Super Bowl without him. And so, you know, there's no one that I had to replace him with. I think what he's done for this team leadership-wise and on the field, you know, it's one of a kind. There's no one else I'd rather be around to throw me the ball. And he overcame. Yeah, this never really seems like a situation that made any sense to me. He really, people forget this. Garapolo lost both his tackles, his Pro Bowl tight end,

and he had all sorts of wide receiver issues, and then was asked, oh, here's Emmanuel Sanders. Make it work. And he did the first week he played. Like it wasn't one of these things, Joy. It's like Patrick Mahomes last year had a lot of injuries. He had an injury himself. He had other injuries.

Like Garoplo and Mahomes had very similar years in which it really wasn't perfect there was a lot of they were banged up or teammates were banged up. And so the difference is our view of Mahomes is he's great. And our view of Garapolo is, well, he's part of a system. Let's just say this. Mahomes has a great coach. Garopolo has a great coach.

Mahomes are more natural talent. But if you get to the Super Bowl, you've got to be doing something right. Can we admit that for both of them? Absolutely. I think it's complete panic of the way that people are reacting. to Jimmy Garoppolo after the Super Bowl. You couldn't find a person that wasn't trying to tell me or you that the 49ers were the best team in the league. And that includes the Kansas City Chiefs all year and towards the end of the year.

Like they were just the consensus best. Now all of a sudden it's a real conversation that they could be getting rid of Jimmy Garoppolo and bringing in Tom Brady, who is in this absolute last two years of his football life. It makes absolutely no sense. Yes, he missed a big throw. He overthrew Emmanuel Sanders in the biggest moment. somebody's got to lose. That's just how this goes.

There's no need to panic. If it had gone the other way and Mahomes had lost, you wouldn't be saying that they need to replace Patrick Mahomes. There's a little level of panic there. I never really bought into this. I understand the reasons why it was a conversation, but Jimmy Garoppolo is the guy moving forward and he'll do fine. Finally, the Knicks

made a push to land Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving last year, but ultimately lost out to the Nets. In an interview with the athletic, Jared Dudley was discussing the future of the Nets and took a jab at the other New York franchise in the process. He said, let's be honest. If the Knicks are run right, the Knicks get them easily.

It's not even close. If the Knicks are run halfway decent, they get KD and Kyrie. Yeah, that needs right. Yeah, I can completely see this and agree with it. But I think I've actually reached the point with the Knicks where I have absolutely no expectations. I am at zero expectations for the Knicks. I've lived this life where I constantly imagine these glorious, days of the Knicks coming back and they're going to be in the contender conversation because

the Knicks are a cornerstone franchise of the NBA, New York City, and it's just one day, it's just all going to click and come together and happen. And I have given up on that. And I am not a Knicks fan by nature, but I just like when the biggest franchises and brands are competitive and in the conversation. It doesn't mean that they have to win a championship every year, but to be this functional level that the Knicks have been is unacceptable. But now I've just reached a points of points of just, I'm just complacent with it.

Like I just don't have any expectations of the next. They'd gotten Katie and Kyrie, which I thought was an actual possibility. I mean, that's, that's massive for the Knicks. But I don't blame Katie or Kyrie for not choosing the next.

Nor do I. No, I mean, I think a general rule, I think you've heard me say this a lot, choose management, not just money. You can make all the money in the world.

If you have bad management, it won't last long. And I think NBA guys are smart. I mean, Steve Kerr didn't take the Knicks job it was offered to him. LeBron's never chosen. Dee Wade's been out there. Chris Bosch was out there.

Look at all the great players in the NBA that could have chosen the Knicks. Mello's the only one that did, and he had a background from around the area. And it didn't work out for him well because they could never get the coach, the GM, and the players right. So you got to, I mean, to me, there's just places in this league. I would want to play for the Clippers right now. I think they're really well run. Like if I was a player and I was like a veteran and I wouldn't have to go. great player, but I'd be like, I like the way

they're run. That matters to me. It just makes life better. Absolutely. Yeah, joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. The NFL draft is just over a week away. We're going to play one of our

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I was knee-deep in fantastic documentaries. One of the ones I will share with you is called Murder Mountain. That's the one. You've seen that Google. Have you seen Murder Mountain? It's about. I have not seen it. I've heard of it, though.

I've heard of it. Humboldt County. It's pretty fascinating. There are parts. I've got my first speeding ticket in Humboldt County in Eureka. I had no idea that was a mountain called Murder Mountain just up the road. But it is a crazy place. There's so much land.

the 60 to 80% of all marijuana in America that is sold comes from Humboldt County. And it's just fascinating stories about this one community where I mean, it's almost like it's its own little area in America that you just don't send law enforcement. It's kind of frightening. But I watched that. I thought it was interesting. That was one of two I watched last night. And the other one I'm not telling you because it was just too dark. I loved it, but I'm not sending my audience to that.

All right. Here we go. we call it the three-word game. And it is, we think we can describe every draft pick, the top ones, the candidates, in three words. Here we go. Joe Burrow, obvious number one. He's from Ohio, college player of the year. They need a quarterback.

And frankly, most of the NFL people you talk to, since Tua is hurt, he's their top candidate. I think he's a Tony Romo. He's a B-plus prospect. Most people think he's an A. We'll see. I do think he's entering the toughest division in football now. I don't think there's three teams at the top of any division that have as much pure defensive talent as the Ravens, Browns, and Steelers. Good luck, Joe Burrow. Tua, he's not falling.

Come on. Patrick Mahomes, hurt in college. Drew Brees, Miami passed on him, hurt. How did it work? Carson Wentz, hurt. You can't give me Sam Bradford and say you can't draft the quarterback that gets hurt. Sam Bradford was just not going to be as good as a Carson Wentz. The reality is this league, even quarterbacks, Aaron Rogers, Patrick Mahomes, are dealing with injuries on a monthly and seasonal basis.

Two is a great prospect, and I don't think he's falling out of the top 10. Justin Herbert, bolts to third. Wordplay, bolts, chargers. My guess is, and I don't have information, because Tom, Tom, Telesco doesn't ever leak anything. That's their quarterback. They're going to move up. I think his limitations are coachable and correctable,

and his strengths are God-given size arm accuracy on big throws. Justin Herbert bolts to third. Jordan Love on the rise. I do not, unlike Trent Dillfer, think he falls to the second round. 10 of the last 15 first round quarterbacks. People have moved up to get him. I think there are too many traits that are, A, arm, escapeability, release. In his sophomore year, when he had a very good coach, he was absolutely terrific.

I think you can point to his coaches last year and say, that's some of the issues. The system didn't work for him. Jalen Hertz, watch the Ravens. The Ravens have two picks in the second round, two picks in the third, two picks in the fourth. He's got a style similar to Lamar Jackson. If a quarterback moves, you got to get a backup and you got to get a backup that plays the same style. The Ravens are the kind of franchise. They don't have a lot of openings.

I mean, they really don't. Their O lines good, their D lines good, their secondary is sick. They appear to have receivers. They're loaded at tight end. They don't have a lot of openings and a lot of openings. of picks. Jonathan Taylor, Wisconsin, my favorite back. First of all, he's a track guy who has transitioned really well.

The six most rushing yards in NCAA history. You know, it's funny, I've said he is the most talented running back since Sequin Barkley in the conference. And I think if there's three running backs in the Big Ten, in the last decade, you're like home run. It's Zeke, Sequin Barkley, and Jonathan Taylor. I think he is a burner on a home run guy

who you can also count on in short yard situations. Jerry Judy, best receiver easily. I don't get the argument. I think he's unbelievable. I think he's one of the best first round wide receiver talent. And most of them last year weren't as good as you thought. He won the Bolitnikov as a sophomore.

He is an all-time talent. I think he'll succeed regardless of where he goes. C.D. Lamb, a little bit overrated. It's hard to judge. Everybody's like, oh, he's great after the catch. Yeah, when you play Texas Tech, everybody is. Jerry Judy made SEC defenses look outclassed. CD Lamb made Big 12 defenses look outclassed.

There is a clear and definitive difference. Like him, but I don't see him as in the same class as Jerry Judy. Henry Ruggs the third depends on the situation. You send him to a strong-armed quarterback, a Carson Wentz, you send him to, you know, a Green Bay, a guy that throws a great deep ball home run. But I can also see him as a really fast guy with not a deep route tree that if he goes to a quarterback who's not particularly deft at going over the top,

he's just going to be a really fast guy that makes, you know, is Sammy Watkins. is, which is talented, but is not a game changer. Michael Pittman Jr., sleeper of the draft. Now, I'm not saying he's as talented as Henry Ruggs, but when people say third round pick for Michael Pittman Jr. at USC, they're out of their minds. And you're noticing all sorts of articles Joy pop up in the last two weeks.

Everybody's like, oh, the more we film we look at. So I live in L.A., I watched Michael Pittman as a freshman, walk on to USC, true freshman, and he was their best special teams player. He's really tough. His dad played in the NFL, and his dad was tough. He's physical. He's hard to tackle. I watched them at a handful of practices.

He does not look like a wide receiver body. He looks like a thin, tight end. Hard to bring down, hard worker. I don't think USC's had the best coaching last four or five years. He got better every year despite that. So I think he's a sleeper. Tristan Worf's, my guess, Browns. Browns need tackles.

He's terrific. He's a monster. He is a pancake. guy. Now, he may be a better guard, some say long term than a tackle, but he'll start at tackle. And if Cleveland gets him and if you start looking where guys come down to, I don't think he'll be available for the Jets. I think the Jets would take him, but the Browns pick one pick ahead of them, and I think they'll take it. Isaiah Simmons, best pure athlete. You know, he reminds me a little bit of Shaq Thompson a couple years ago out of Washington where you can just put him, I mean, you

could put Isaiah Thompson, Isaiah Simmons anywhere. And everybody's like, well, what position does he play? Well, I don't know. Clemson coaches figured it out. He plays defense and makes a bunch of tackles. Go watch Clemson the last two years. He's everywhere. Hunter tackles, eight sacks, three picks in a season.

That's the best college year since Khalil Mack. I just think he's unbelievable. If I was running the New York Giants and couldn't trade down with my two defensive tackles, I'd solve my linebacker issue with Isaiah Simmons, and I'd get a tackle later in the draft. I think he's just a monster physically. Jeff Okuda? Buckeyes do corners.

Listen, Ohio State has put, since 1999, they put 10 corners in the first round of the NFL draft. This is what they do. Most pan out in the NFL. He did not commit a penalty last year at Ohio State. And what does that mean? He's disciplined and great. So it just, he's one of those guys that's typical Ohio State.

They do corners, put him in. He'll be a stud. A Chase Young. can't miss talent. Look at every draft has like two or three guys. There's not as many as you think. GMs have told me for years. The first round generally has 17 guys who you're really comfortable paying his first round talent.

After that, from the middle of the first to the top of the third, yeah, it's guys with limitations. This guy doesn't have a lot of limitations for the position he plays. He'll come in, he'll start, he'll be, you know, within six or seven games, get acclimated. Now, I do think rookies are going to have a tougher year because of obvious reasons of the virus. you miss OTAs, but somebody's going to get him. If Washington gets him with Ron Rivera defensive coach, and already, they have pretty good defensive

line personnel, Washington is going to be a handful. Redskins going to be a handful to block in the upcoming years. All right, Joy, nice job. Today we got through it. I don't know how. A draft next week. So draft next week. And then the schedule

comes out, I think, 10 days after that. So we're okay. By May 9th. I think we are. Yeah. All right. Somebody make a big trade.

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