The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Tua Tagovailoa, scouting, Texans-Rams, UFC 249

Episode Date: April 10, 2020

Colin explains why he likes people who find solutions like Tua Tagovailoa, why some people just aren't good at scouting, why the Texans and the Rams have proved they are dysfunctional, and why he believes UFC 249 was canceled. Guests include Tom Pelissero Joel Klatt, T. J. Houshmandzadeh, Tony Boselli, and Jason McIntyre. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, we're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FSWen, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, you name it, we're there. Joy Taylor is joining me. We have Tony Buccelli, the former all-pro offensive linemen for the Jacksonville Jaguars is going to talk about this is a great draft for tackles. It's the best tackle draft in a long time. And Tony Besselli is one of the, probably the first or second best offensive linemen in USC history, Anthony Munoz and Tony Besselli and a great guy I'll be joining us. And Joy Taylor, how are you? I'm good. The rain is a little gloomy, but it's a good

excuse to stay in the house. Yeah, we're going to get better weather here and throughout part of the country. We're going to get some better weather coming up. And again, more encouraging news on the coronavirus and the hospitalization and ICU rates going down and down and down and down. We are there or closer to the peak than we've been before. So I am not a big fan of blamers and finger pointers. I'm a solution guy. I don't follow people on Twitter who are blamers. During this virus, blame, blame, blame, blame, blame. I follow people who have solutions. I think

there's enough negativity. I don't want to follow dark, angry people who are looking to blame. If I hear Trump in the first two sentences, I'm out. Not my favorite president, but I'm out. Find a solution. So all

I've been hearing about this NFL draft is blame, finger pointing, whining, you can't have a draft, we don't have a pro day. Oh, we found a solution. Trent Dilfer and Tua and their agents set it up. Private workout, filmed it, sending a tape to all 32 teams, 55 scripted throws, another 20 throws in a dynamic drill, fewer than 10 people present, we found a solution. Call it, I couldn't be there.

Stop. If you don't have enough information now with Tua, imagine drafting a Pact 12 or a big 12 quarterback when they play in a conference where there's no defense and very few NFL defensive players. I have two years of tape on Tua. Three, if you count the game against Georgia as freshman year. Against the best college football defenses, NFL people all over the Georgia defense, the Auburn defense, the Clemson defense in the ACC. the LSU defense. All sorts of NFL guys, all over the SEC, and I saw him play for two years and carve him up. I saw him carve up LSU on one leg, 418 yards, 4 TDs.

You draft a lot of these college quarterbacks. Carson Wentz, what conference was he in? Patrick Mahomes. How do I know if he's good? Baker Mayfield. It's a pillow fight in the Big 12. I can call Nick Sabin. I've now got a video.

I've got doctors medically clearing him. I've got two. years of SEC tape. I've got NFL combine interviews, and you're still blaming? You're a crappy GM. Name somebody in America during this crisis who is getting everything they want. I've read stories about nurses and doctors during the virus without masks, having to improvise and create masks and outfits. Do they have everything? I mean, to a lesser degree, Joy and I are doing a three-hour radio show. There's no games. Okay. Who during this crisis is getting everything they want? You just got a tape on Tua from Trent Dilfer. 32 teams get it. Two years of tape. Call Nick Sabin.

Think about this. Here's what happens in life. What's the old saying give somebody an inch? They take a mile, right? Like to give your kid a little freedom and all you know, the next day they're at Coachella in a different state, right? We all worry about parents. You give them an inch, they take a mile. The first dynasty in the NFL that I ever saw was the Pittsburgh Steelers. It was created Joy's hometown in the mid-70s. None of Terry Bradshaw's games were on television. There were no cell phones.

No FaceTime. No internet. Oh, by the way, there was no combine until 1982. So that means there was no combine. You couldn't see Terry Bradshaw. combine. You couldn't see his games. Couldn't call him, right? He was out fishing. And they drafted him. And you're complaining now because you got two years of film on Tua. Nick Sabins coached in the NFL. The SEC's full of NFL guys. And now I got a tape and you're not there and you're complaining.

I would like to remind you, blamers. I like solution people. Let me tell you about pro days. Johnny Mansell, 2014 Pro Day. Quote, his stock shot through the roof. Some moved him up to number two, a flawless workout. He made every throw. Sam Bradford's 2010 Pro Day, said Gil Brant, it's the best I've ever seen since Troy Aikman. Jamarcus Russell, Mike Mayock, who knows his football, said, it's the best I've ever seen from any quarterback in league history. You know what, a bad pro day, Joy?

Teddy Bridgewater, who just made them millions of dollars. Teddy Bridgewater was terrible at his pro day. So none of us are getting everything we want. This is about finding a solution. It is a semi-solution to a virus that's making us work harder and improvise and figure stuff out. I say it's much easier to draft an SEC quarterback who I've got several years of tape on against NFL level defenses than it is to draft. a big 12 quarterback who is in a pillow fight, who rarely faces an elite pass rush. How about Clemson's players?

Clemson is so much better than everybody else in the ACC since Miami and Florida State are down. How can you judge anybody for Clemson? All their players dominate every Saturday. I mean, last night, I had a two-hour, 90-minute-to-two-hour virtual happy hour on Zoom with friends. And you know what I thought when I was done with it? I thought it wasn't as noisy as a bar is, wasn't smoky. I was able to go to the bathroom and grab something to eat and not pay for it while I was on it. And I thought, you know what?

I kind of like it. I kind of like it. You go to one of these pro days that everybody's bitching about. You go to one of these things. And then you get influenced by people sitting next to you. And everybody's like, ooh, you ever seen like a runway model show? And you sit there next to a bunch of fashion designers. And you may look at an outfit and go, but if you're sitting next to Calvin Klein and Calvin Klein is like, Bravo!

I love it. It may influence your opinion. If Belichick is next to you and he's like, oh, you may not like somebody and go, oh. This way, you watch the film atua. You get it in your room by yourself. It comes down to you. and let me give you a trick that Belichick used to do when he brought people into the organization.

This is an old Belichick trick. I've heard about this twice now inside the Patriots organization. Belichick would give you a tape of somebody and he wouldn't tell you as a scout who it was. And they would make the tape a little, you know, they'd edit it so it was a little grayer, a little darker, and he'd say, do you like this player?

And the player was already in the league. He was already in the NBA. NFL and they say, what do you think about this guy? And it was old tape. And the point for Belichick was, I don't want you to be influenced by anybody. I want you to give me what, and it would be like a pro bowl left tackle. And if the guy was like, I don't know if I like him, he's like, yeah, he's playing right now in Houston. He's a pro bowl left tackle. That's the game Belichick used to play because he didn't want his scouts to be influenced by media, talk shows, and other scouts. This pro day workout should be the future. Not out having beers talking about guys and sitting

next to guys and watching body language of other scouts. Here's the tape. Make your call. SEC, two years, call Sabin, face time to a medical clearance. Watch the pro day on tape. If you can't figure it out, you shouldn't be a scout. There you go. There you go.

I got a lot today. And I was going to go into my second rant, but I'm just going to tease it. We call it teasing it. because yesterday there was, I mean, the NFL is just the gift that keeps on giving. The L.A. Rams spent a lot of money for Brandon Cooks, and yesterday they traded Brandon Cooks, and the Houston Texans who just loved giving up draft picks, gave up more draft picks for a player the Rams really overpaid for. It was classic. Two increasingly dysfunctional organizations through a house party. And I'm going to talk about that.

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Tip of the cap to my friend Trent Dilfer, Lee Steinberg, and Tua who created a semi-solution in a world where everybody's blaming. I am going to elevate and promote anybody in this crisis who is finding solutions, and I'm going to ignore anybody who just wants to wine. and complain and blame. So I saw this yesterday. It is very easy for a guy like me or even joy, right? We can rip somebody after they make a mistake. That's easy. But I like for both of us to have opinions before something happens.

So in real time, therefore I'm culpable for my opinion. When the Rams got Brandon Cook, I hated it. I said, I like him. But if Sean Payton and Bill Belichick bail on somebody, that's a sign. It's like Warren Buffett bailing on his stock. You may be concerned about acquiring the stock. And I also didn't like what they paid him. So full disclosure, I never like Brandon Cook's great kid, wonderful kid.

He's got concussion issues. I've been told he's considered retirement. I think he's a little bit of a one-trick pony as a receiver. He's a speed guy. I don't think you have to put your best corner on him to limit him and marginalize his game. I also think the Rams had plenty of good wide receivers. That was not a team weakness. The O-line had no depth.

The linebackers at the time were average. That was a problem. And he's expensive. And so great kid. I was never a fan of what he did in New England. New England saw it. Moved off. And I didn't like the Rams doing it.

So let me start with that. Good kid. I wouldn't pay him. but this trade is really not about Brandon Cooks. It's about two teams with talent in big markets who are increasingly dysfunctional. So let's start with Houston. I have defended Bill O'Brien as a coach. I don't like him as a GM.

And even the DeAndre Hopkins move, he just didn't want to renegotiate the contract. I think he should have gotten a couple two second round picks, you know, not fourth round picks, but I understood moving him. So I've tried to defend Bill O'Brien more than most. But let me ask you, they have Will Fuller can't stay healthy. Randall Cobb, Green Bay got rid of him because he was always hurt. Kenny Stills, I like, but he missed three games last year. And Brandon Cook concussion issues.

Are you guys just in the business of finding wide receivers who are not healthy? And it's the greatest wide receiver draft. All these scouts and GMs are saying in the last decade, you gave up a 57th pick, a second round, mid-second round pick. there are going to be pro bowl wide receivers taken in the second, third, and fourth round. And they're going to be cheap labor. You know, like what the Patriots want. I don't get it from Houston standpoint.

You know, Bill O'Brien now is the head coach and the GM. He's got too much darn power. It's like, when you're the boss and the coach, essentially his parents left for the summer and left him the house and he's just lost control. And they gave him some money. and he spent all of it in the first three weeks. And now he's eating corn flakes for dinner. He's just making crap up, trying to cover his butt for previous bad moves.

I don't like it at all for Houston. Secondly, for the Rams. Oh, Colin, you're an L.A. guy. You'll probably support what the Rams did. No, I won't. They pay too much money, and they pay everybody early, and they fall in love with players. Wrong.

The great personnel people fall in like with everybody. Even Belichick with Brady. It was mostly a like affair, not a love affair. And, you know, the Rams, if Bill O'Brien is the kid whose parents left him the house for the summer and he's got out of control, the Rams are the guy that loves cars and keeps buying cars and has a collection of cars and he wants to show everybody his cars and he doesn't need all the cars. Here's my sports car. Here's my SUV. Here's my Hummer. Here's my Kia.

And guess what? The minute you drive them off the lot, they're all worth 30% less. They just collect stars. And in the end, think about this. Brandon Cooks was under contract in 2018 for $8 million and could have been franchised for 16, meaning the Rams could have theoretically gone year to year and paid him $25 million for the first two years.

Instead, they gave him a new contract, paid him 42 mil first two years, and by waiting until March 15th to trade him, that triggered a $4 million roster bonus for Cooks. Now, on his way to town, they owe him, they'll have a $22 million cap hit. I mean, again, if you fall in love with cars and keep buying them, lose 30% when they get off the lot.

The Rams and the Texans are doing something I hate in life. They're confusing activity for efficiency. It's just bad move, bad move, bad move, bad move, trying to follow up on a move that didn't work. New rule in the NFL. Pay almost nobody big money and never pay anybody except the star quarterback early. And you'd stay at 90% of these problems. Joy Taylor with the news.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So a lot of people have been wondering what the coverage for the NFL draft is going to look like this year. And the NFL has locked in 58 prospects to virtually participate in the draft this month. The list is highlighted by seven quarterbacks, including Joe Burrow, Tua, and Justin Herbert. And plenty of other potential top 10 picks like Chase Young and Jeff Akuta will make appearances as well. Now, details on how the prospect. will participate are expected to be revealed at a later date.

But essentially these are, you know, the first and second round guys. So I'm assuming that they're going to have cameras in their, in their homes, one to two cameras. They're going to do pre-recorded interviews leading up to their picks or, you know, where they're expected to go, probably played in between. And then obviously, you know, pre-draft coverage as well. But I actually am very excited to see what the coverage looks like this year. I enjoy the spectacle that the draft has become because I'm just one of, like, I was very excited to see how over the top it was going to be in Vegas this year with the boat going across the water and across the fountains. And I'm into that stuff.

I think it's fun. And I think it's fun for the, for the prospects. And, you know, obviously there was going to be hundreds of thousands of fans there enjoying it as well. But I am just as interested to see how it goes virtually this year. because we are, you know, we're all living in this same reality right now. And I think we're going to get a lot of really authentic reactions. And personally, while all that, you know, spectacle is fun, I really love seeing the guys who are at home with their families

and their families' reactions. So do I. That's always my favorite. And by the way, we are doing a show right now, Joy and I. You have a small camera in your home. I have a tiny camera here and we're pulling it off. Literally, we're a television show. So the reality is sending a camera to Joe Burroughs house,

it's going to look awesome. And you're going to see his mom and his dad and his family and his cousins. I think the greatest, the stuff that gets me emotional during the draft is not players hugging Roger Goodell. It's literally a small town kid makes generational money. And the room explodes with tears and cheers. So again, just like the virus, nobody's getting everything they want. You just kind of ad lib.

and I think the NFL network and ESPN are going to show how ingenious they are. I think they're going to do a great job. They're going to share staffs. And I think we're going to look up and go, you know what? Some of this stuff, Joy, that we use this year in the draft, much like when the XFL came in years and years ago and the NFL stole some of its ideas, I think we're going to take stuff in our lives we're dealing with in the next two months, and we're going to implement it in future drafts and in the rest of our lives and say,

you know what? You can do this this way, save money more efficient and be happier and be on the road less. So I can't wait for it. Right. And those videos are also, they feel very intimate. Like for me personally, they always remind me of my brother's draft day and him getting that phone call and that reaction. So seeing the families and the friends react and, you know, them hugging and crying, it's an amazing moment. We're going to get a lot of that. So Joe Burrow will likely be drafted, number one overall, to the Bengals. They don't have a very successful history as a franchise.

Burrough says all he wants in the NFL is a chance to win. I just want to get drafted to a good team. Good organization that is going to maximize my talent. I've won everywhere that I've been, and I've never had a losing season in sport from the moment I was five years old. So I'm not a loser. I just want to go somewhere where I can win. You know, teams are kicking the top for a reason.

And I feel like, like I said before, I've won everywhere that I've ever been. I feel like if anybody can do it, I can do it. it. I like his attitude. He said this on the big podcast with Shaq. I love that attitude. I don't understand when people push back on the confidence of an athlete. Like, oh, he's too confident.

He's too cocky or something like that. Like the amount of confidence you have to have in yourself to convince yourself that you're capable of being the number one overall pick in the NFL draft is otherworldly to begin with. I mean, I mean, even you and I, you were just talking about it with Nick Wright the other day. You didn't have a backup plan. When you believe in yourself and believe that you're capable of doing something, you can't have any other mentality. It's just, this is the only thing that you're going to do and you're going to be great at it. And to his credit, he has been great at it. He had the greatest statistical season in the history of college football at the quarterback

position. But as we know, you can have all the confidence in the world and all the skill and talent in the world. Like he said, if you go to a franchise, it's not going to maximize his talent. then there's a little fear with that. The Bengals are coming off a 2 and 14 season. They haven't won a playoff game since 1990. And the last playoff appearance was 2015. And it's just a playoff appearance. It wasn't a playoff win.

I think both of us have huge reservations about what the Bengals are going to be able to do with him, despite some of their offseason moves. It's the best defensive. The three defenses in this league, the Browns, the Steelers, and the Ravens, there are not three teams in the NFL that play in the same division. that have those good of front sevens. Now, I think the Steelers front seven is sick, young, and inexpensive. The Ravens has more money, but I think they have the best secondary.

And I think Cleveland, when Miles Garrett's playing and Denzel Ward's healthy, I think the strength of the Browns is the defensive front. I don't think it's the wide receivers. So no reasonable person can look at Joe Burrow and say, it's going to be easy. If he goes eight and eight, rookie of the year. If you told me today, 8 and 8, rookie of the year. And I like Joe Burrow a lot more as a prospect than you do. And I agree just because it's the Bengals.

And it's no disrespect. We're just going off the facts. Finally, a little bit of news. Dana White was planning to keep UFC fights going during this pandemic. He had a plan to get like a private islands and all these ideas. But he revealed yesterday that he got a call from the highest levels at Disney and ESB. end and was asked to stand down. So UFC 249, which was scheduled for April 18th, has been canceled. It was going to be held on tribal land in California, which is not subject to the stay-at-home

order. And California state regulators refused to authorize the events. And most state, you know, athletic commissions aren't approving fights during the pandemic. So the UFC would have had to get its own referees, judges, and medical staffs and other services to make about happen, which it seemed like Dana White was all in to do, but it, they got, he got, he clearly got a phone call. Like, this is not a good look. From somebody really powerful. Yeah, this is not what we want to do. Everything else is shut down for a reason and health and safety is the most important thing here.

So, I mean, look, we all, we all would love to see sports on television again and, you know, be able to talk about it and enjoy it together. But this, this was the right call. Now, I commend Dana White for trying to find out, find a solution for it and keep. it going if it meant that he could keep everybody healthy. But I also completely, I did not expect this to actually happen. Yeah, let's not forget Disney's one of the biggest employers in the state of California. The governor of California calls Disney. Disney runs ESPN, which has control of UFC.

Not hard to figure out who Dana White was referencing when he said the calls came from the most powerful people. It was either the president of Disney or the governor of California. And that's the game we're in now. certainly in California. The governor is very smart. I like our governor, but he's going to get a lot of pushback from businesses because he has been cautious and smart so far. The question now, how do you pivot to business?

Dana was trying to pivot early and the governor put a squash on it. So Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. Reporter for the NFL network covered the NFL for over 17 years. Tom Pellasero is now joining us via the Mercedes-Benz, the business. best or nothing. Tom, let's start with this.

Mike Holmgren was a very, very good football coach. Briefly in Seattle, he was GM and coach. Once he kind of got fired as GM, they went to the playoffs five straight years. And he's a brilliant man. Belichick

is brilliant, has some GM control, but they haven't drafted an offensive pro bowler since Gronk. Ditka, Chip Kelly, a lot of guys that have had some say in personnel and coach have failed. Is Bill O'Brien a really good football man that simply, like a home grin, just can't do two separate jobs as one? Colin, the battle you always have in most organizations is the coaches want the players.

They want the veterans, the guys they know they can trust. The scouts, the general managers are always going to push for the young guys with upside that they can continue to develop. So when you have a coach take over as the sole decision maker like Bill O'Brien is, naturally he is going to tend to trade picks in favor of players. He did it last year, giving up multiple ones for Laramie Tunsell and Kenny Stills. He did it again yesterday, trading a second round draft pick for a guy in Brandon Cooks, who's had a history of concussions, a very good player when he's been healthy, but has not been healthy at all times in recent years and has bounced around for a variety of reasons.

I think that what is unique with what O'Brien has done in Houston is he has consolidated power, perhaps more than anybody else that you just mentioned. The number two football person in command is Jack Easterby. He's the executive vice president of football operations, and his background is as a team chaplain. Now he knows football organizations inside out. He spent a lot of time with the Patriots. He knows how things should operate. But when your number two is somebody who is also not a scout by trade, you end up in some. some unique positions, whether it is giving away draft picks in favor of players or in the past

couple of years trading arguably his most talented players, Dewey and Clowney and DeAndre Hopkins and getting what other people within the league felt was not the maximum return. Yeah, so even in the D-Hop move, he didn't get value in the picks. He trades away picks. To your point, he doesn't have, most coaches want veteran players to win games. They're not into picks. GMs and scouts, as you said, into picks. Let's pivot now to the Rams.

Because Sean McVey, the media loves Sean McVey. Because he's a really nice guy. And he's a good story. In the media, I get it. I'm in the media. We like stories. That's what we write and talk about. Less need.

Handsome guy, likable, good contacts. The media likes less need. But I've sat in this city now for five years. And I have seen them be so active, but don't confuse activity with efficiency. I look at the brand and. Cook's deal, which I didn't like the day they did it. This organization to me, I know McVeigh's smart and Stan Cronkey is rich. And I think Jared Goff is talented.

But if I said to you today, Rams, well run, what would be your reply? I would start with this. They have a philosophy toward doing long-term contract extensions that they are going to do them early. There are plenty of teams that would have looked at, for instance, Todd Gurley, a running back and said, we've got four years plus the 50-year option plus a franchise tag or two beyond that. We don't need to move quickly here and extend Todd Gurley. The Rams look at it and say we can budget it. We can budget it over extra years because those last couple years on the Rookie Deal are lower

money. So we look at it on paper the average per year and new money is 14.5 or whatever it was. We look at it as the average now closer to 10. And we're budgeting that over six or seven years, whatever the numbers ended up being. The issue is when a guy has a knee injury like Todd Gurley did, when he goes from playing 99% of your snaps to being in a timeshare. I think it's fair to call it last season. When things clearly deteriorate in terms of some of the trust there during the coaching staff and the player, you end up stuck with a bunch of dead money.

Brandon Cooks had the concussions, obviously did not fill the type of role that they were hoping when he signed that contract. They ended up paying him calling $42 million over two years. But it was a long-term bet. The contract now that the Texans inherit, if cooks can stay healthy, is relatively team-friendly. The issue that the Rams have run into is, on a couple of high-profile occasions here, they have not seen those team-friendly years

because they got to a point where they had to move on from the player. Now, how things work out in terms of some of the other moves that they've made, the Jalen Ramsey trade. They had to free up money and try to do an extension with a guy that they gave up two first-round picks for without having a long-term deal done. I mean, there's a lot of questions. Give them this.

They are being aggressive. There are a lot of teams that will not admit mistakes that will hang with the players. Even when you know that it's not the best thing to do, Ron Wolf was a longtime, you know, fond of saying that you compound a mistake by not admitting it soon enough. Well, the Rams are certainly admitting some mistakes here. We'll see whether or not it pays off as they now amass more draft picks. They now got four in the top 100. They do have more flexibility they had than before, even though they still don't have a first round. So yesterday, Trent Dillfer, Lee Steinberg and two.

I think it's Trent and Tua put together a tape. They'll send a 32 teams. I was saying earlier, the first dynasty of my childhood was the Pittsburgh Steelers. We didn't have a combine. We didn't have cell phones, computers, and nobody saw Terry Bradshaw play a single game on national TV. So I do think, give people an inch, they take a mile. Now everybody's complaining. They've got a combine.

They've got every Tua game on TV. They've got Nick Sabin. They got FaceTime. But I'm not getting my pro day. So this feels like a semi-pro day, does it solve the Tua questions? It doesn't solve the macro-medical questions that teams have about Tua. Yes, all the reports in his doctors, his agent Lee Steinberg, he's been doing this, as you know, a very long time. You know, everything that they're saying is true.

It is positive in terms of the hip recovery. The thing with hips, and this is not my opinion, I don't have my MD, but I've talked to people familiar with that injury, familiar with NFL medicals, how they look at this. What they say is you don't know. There's no way that you can know four months, five months, whatever we are, after the injury, what to his long-term health is going to be. Is he going to get arthritis in the hip? Is it going to affect him, whether that's a year down the line, five years down the line,

10 years down the line? Now you couple that with two tight rope surgeries on his ankles, multiple surgeries on his throwing hand. He played through a knee injury last year. And frankly, he has a somewhat violent playing style at times. He is willing to take some hits. And nobody to this point has been able to convince him. You've got to do more to simply stay out of harm's way.

I mean, there's a lot for coaches. And I've talked to a bunch of quarterback's coaches, offensive coordinators over the past week about Tua and all the other quarterback in this class. There's a lot that they like about him. Tua is twitching. He's got good accuracy. Personality, maybe not, you know, the typical alpha male,

but guys love him. He does have good leadership traits. One quarterback's coach, right before I came on the show, just texted me after watching the video. I have no doubt Tua can play in this. A lot of how long he can play. Finally, Tom Pelliserro, you can follow him on Twitter at Tom Pellasero, Pellasero, Pellasero,

NFL Network covering the NFL for 17 years. The dolphins have the most picks in the NFL. They're very much like New England. Brian Flores is paying corners, very New England, and accumulating draft picks, very New England, and last year, despite losing, building a culture, won five of their last nine games. I think we've found so far the one Belichick assistant

who's going to be a hit as a head coach. So I'll throw this at you. So I got Ryan Fitzpatrick, and I brought a coach now to help with Ryan Fitzpatrick, that Brian Flores doesn't like Herbert, loves Burrough but can't get him, and is not going to risk it on Tua, and is going to move out of,

his top spot, a couple of slots down for anybody that wants a Tua or a Justin Herbert, and he's going to get Jordan Love, who's a project, but he doesn't need to win and believes with all these picks and Ryan Fitzpatrick, he can keep last year's momentum. I'm going to throw a curve at you. Flores is like a defensive guy. He's going to build a system with Fitzpatrick for one more year, and they're going to go down and get a project who's healthy Jordan Love. what say you?

Jordan Love is a fascinating fit, not just for the dolphins, but for a lot of people. And he is one of the more polarizing quarterback prospects in this draft. Because when coaches watch him, they say that you see the tools. He throws a beautiful ball, maybe the most natural passer in the entire class. We also, we all know that there were a lot of turnovers last season. Was that a product of all the starting caliber players? He lost around him. He was trying to do too much.

Was it a coaching change? was it tweaks that they had made to the scheme? I'm telling you, there are different people who have vastly different opinions of Jordan Love, whether he should be a top 15 guy, whether you shouldn't touch him until the second round. I would say this. When you're talking about the type of offense they want to run with the Dolphins, if you have a quarterback who at least has a mobile element, not a running quarterback, but somebody who can move around, whether that is Jordan Love, whether that's Justin Herbert,

whether that's to a tongue of Iloa, although you would think that the team is going to want to rein him in. that is a fit that would make sense for what the dolphins want to do under chan gaily some more of that spread stuff single back it creates a mismatch opportunities you may be able to exploit i can see the dolphins going a number of different ways you know anybody who comes out of belich is all going to do things certain things the same way one of them is absolutely you build a team that's going to be the middle you build a team that's going to be able to stop the run you are meldable in terms of your offensive scheme, you're not just going to go out and run the same offense week after week. You're going to adapt and be very game plan specific. But another thing, when you bring

up the pro days, Colin, look how many times through the years the Patriots have not drafted the workout wonder, have not drafted the guy who's got the measurables, have drafted the guy who, who boy, everybody loved him on tape, but then he ran 4-9 and he got dropped on boards. It'll be fascinating to see over time here when you've got guys like Flores and Chris Greer, who are familiar with that program. Do they also buck some of the trends? Do they also go some directions that people in the NFL might be undervaluing players certain types of skill sets just based upon the fact that they're going to be hell-bent on figuring out.

What can you do? Okay, let's make you only do that and try to win with it. Tom Pelliserra, good talking to you, my friend. Thank you. You bet. Listen, we know Miami likes Joe Burrell. We've heard like four stories from Miami reporters. They may not like two in Justin Herbert.

They may not like them. And they're saying, we won five and nine with Ryan Fitzpatrick. I'm going to trade out, get more picks. They've already got 13, I think, get 15. I mean, because they have to rebuild, right? I could see Miami saying, we like Burrow. We can't get him. We don't like the other two.

But we think Jordan Love, we can get it 16 to 17. So let's trade out. I could absolutely see my. There is no clear. indication that Miami likes anybody except Joe Burrell. Not only have two stories dropped on that, but, you know, Brian Flores is like, do I want to roll the dice on a medical issue? Or take a kid from Oregon, bring him 3,000 miles across the country.

He may not fit here. Small town Eugene Oregon kid. I think Miami's going to be fascinating. Never forget. Flores watch Belichick. On draft weekend, Belichick trades up. He trades back. He's hyperactive.

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don't overthink the room on this stuff. James Winston last year is 7 and 7. If he wins his last two games at 9 and 7, he's probably still a buccaneer. He went 0 and 2 in the last 2, 7 and 9, and they went and got Tom Brady. Teddy Bridgewater last year, Drew Breeze gets hurt.

Teddy Bridgewater sits in for five games and goes 5 and 0. Suddenly there's a market. If he goes 1 in 4, 2 and 3 and 2, the market's smaller. Win games. Cam Newton sends the Super Bowl. A 500 quarterback. No market. Nick Foles less talented.

Winning, didn't have a huge market, but he's been a Super Bowl MVP. He's played very well in some of his biggest games, and he found a market in Chicago to compete for a job. And he's also not a celebrity backup. Okay. Jimmy Garoppolo, 21 and Winner. James Winston, 20 games under 500, loser. That's what this is about. Win games, there's a market.

James Winston doesn't win enough. Jimmy Garoppolo wins a lot. That's why I like him. I don't like Russell Wilson because he's the perfect height. He's not. Or has the best ball. He doesn't. I like him because he wins. I'm not a fan of anything DAC does, but I'd franchise tag him for another year because he wins a lot. I wouldn't give him five years, but I wouldn't let him go either. I wouldn't let him go. I don't like his arm. I don't think he's a great athlete. I think he misses open receivers.

I think he throws off platform. A lot I don't like about DAC, but he wins. And so I'm in a franchise tagging with McCarthy one year and let's see how it plays. But this is Marcus Mario da greatest example. It's just about winning. It's in my business. If I get ratings, nothing else matters. I'll get more advertisers, more affiliates, more money, and more love.

It solves every issue. I used to work in a company. They'd be like, I like this person. They're smart. And I always said, can they get ratings? Because Harvard's full of smart people. They can't do radio shows. Get ratings.

Solves everything. Solves everything. Rachel Maddow gets ratings. Sean Hannity gets ratings. They're stars. Doesn't matter if they're always right. She whiffed on the Russian thing. He whiffs too.

Get ratings. In the NFL, Marcus Mariotta. In 2018, he went 4-0 in his last starts, and he stunk. 11 touchdowns, eight picks. He was no good. But they let him start the following year. The following year, his stats were way better, four times as many touchdowns as picks, but he went two and four.

What they do, bench him for Ryan Tannehill. So when his stats were better, and you could argue, you know, he's playing better, they benched him. He went two and four. At the previous year, he was 4-0, and they were like, ah, he's our guy next year. Let's get Tanyl to back. You're a guy.

Win games. James doesn't win. Camden won enough. Teddy Bridgewater, less talented than both. Wins more. He won in Minnesota. He won in New Orleans. If Teddy Bridgewater doesn't go 5 and O

when he replaces Breeze and goes one and four, there is no market for him. Because you're going to find all his faults. Well, he's a little small. He's not very athletic. He didn't have a big arm. That's why Alex Smith got a Washington offer. Alex Smith won games.

We don't like his arm. We don't like him in big games. Alex Smith ends up in the playoffs a lot. So you're like, there's a market for him. So, you know, Nick Foles, now there's not a big market for Nick Foles. But when you think of Nick Foles, what do you think about? He's often better in big games than average games. So there's a tiny market for him in Chicago to possibly beat out Mitch Trabisky.

Listen, Mitch Trabisky gets all this love because he's 19 and 10. If you watch Trabisky and he was 10 and 19, he would have been on the first bus out of Chicago a year ago. win, James, win more, get more offers. It's not difficult. Hour 2, Joel Clatinell argue. He's got another mock draft out the herd. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Ah, hour two, live in L.A., this is the herd, wherever you may be and however you may be. And however you may be listening. I Heart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. Happy National Siblings Day to my sister

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That's the voice of Joy Taylor. Oh, so I saw this. So yesterday, Tua, and I do think he's a medical concern, but I think he's a great kid, and I think he looks like Drew Brees to me left-handed. So Trent Dilfer had a workout with him, said he throws down. better than Aaron Rogers and Dan Marino. Well, Dan Marino is the greatest release I've ever seen, so I'm not going to go there. And Aaron Rogers is pretty damn good.

But I do think Tua is better at his age than Aaron was at his, but Aaron's become an all-time great player. But here's the thing about risk. Outside of Jerry Judy, the wide receiver for Alabama and Chase Young, the past rusher for Ohio State, this whole damn draft is risk. Tua, medical risk. risk. Tristan Worf's is in offensive

linemen. Everybody loves top 10. Some people think he's a guard, not a tackle. Joe Burrow, average arm, only really great one year in college. He'll go number one. Baker Mayfield walked on two times. He went number one. Last year, Kyler Murray was 5'9

and a first round baseball draft pick. Many speculated he likes baseball more than football. He got drafted number one. The whole draft is a risk. Carson Wentz played in the middle of nowhere. Risk. Isaiah Simmons, who I think is unbelievable for Clemson. They don't know what position he plays.

Nobody has any idea what position he plays. So this whole thing is about risk. You are giving, think about this, your brain is fully developed at 25. That's what they say. So you're giving 22-year-olds, millions of dollars, asking them to move to a different city, and asking them to be the face of the. franchise. That's not risk. How many 22-year-olds do you give the keys to a billion-dollar business

to? This whole thing is just managing risk. I've said this about the virus. Once we get past the peak, people will die because of the virus, we have to manage risk. We're managing mental health. We're managing car deaths. Once you get past the peak, and that's the scary part because hospitalizations, getting cram, people can't get in. Once you get past that, we just have to manage this. be perfect. We will open up universities and some kids will get it again. You're managing it. That's what we do in life. And in fact, here's the funny thing about risk. I'm going to go to the last four drafts. The quarterback who had a lot of risk, and you tell me how they did. Last year, Kyler Murray, 5-9 baseball player. I would say today, Arizona's darn happy with the first year.

The year before, tell me how this worked out, Lamar Jackson. He was the wrist guy, right? Year before that, it was Patrick Mahomes. Kansas City moved up to get him because he lost in college, had a wrist surgery, ACL joint, losing record. He makes a lot of mistakes. He's a little bit of a loose cannon. How'd that work out?

Year before, Carson Wentz, heard in college, played against nobody. How's that worked out? So the last four quarterbacks with all the risk are Kyler, Lamar, Patrick, and Wenz. I'm going to go with, I like all of them. So it's almost like I grew up in the Pacific Northwest, so I have some Nike stock and I have some Starbucks stock. I buy it every year. I'm not going to get rich on that. They're pretty safe companies, right?

Well run. I know people in the businesses. I buy Starbucks and Nike stock. I'm not going to get rich on it. You know how you get rich? being a seed money angel investor in 2008 for Uber. You want to get rich. It's not buying IBM stock and Starbucks stock.

You want to get rich in the NFL. You're going to have some risk because some people are going to pass on people allowing you to go get that player. If Tua scares off 24 teams and you're Miami and have 13 picks, draft two quarterbacks in this draft. Draft two at five and you know, one of your later picks. You find a kid in a smaller school and you're like, yeah, he's not Tua, but we like him. With that, I bring in Joel Clatt, voice of college football at our network, Fox,

Fox NFL draft analyst as well. Check out his mock draft on Fox Sports.com and at NFL on Fox. It's out new. Okay, so I look at it, Claster. And Bengals take Burrow, Chargers take Tua. You have no Justin. Herbert in the first round. What do you say for yourself? Yeah, I mean, where the teams are slotted, I had a hard time bidding him in. Okay, so I fully expect him to go in the first round. Colin, I just think it's going to be a trade to do so, right? So as I was just going through the practice, you know, I could have given the dolphins Herbert at 18 or maybe even 26. And I thought about it really hard at 18, but I went with the linebacker, Patrick.

Queen from LSU anyways. Listen, I'm not quite as high on Herbert as others. So that's going to influence this mock draft. Now, I'm also one that's trying to be realistic about where people will and won't get drafted. And Herbert is a glaring omission from this mock draft. So I'll admit that. However, I will suggest that when you look at next year's draft with Fields and Lawrence, there might be quarterback needy teams that won't take the risk on a guy like Herbert or Love because I do believe that there is a significant drop-off between our top two quarterbacks in the draft, Burrow and Tung of Iloa, and then once you get down to Herbert and Love, Herbert and Love have substantial risk. And I would argue that Herbert, while maybe the safer

pick over Love, doesn't have quite the ceiling in large part because Colin, we've seen him play of substantial number of snaps. He's got a lot of experience at the college level. and he still is making some of the same mistakes and has some of the same traits that he struggled with in his youth, if you will, at Oregon. So those are the reasons, but I will say that I do believe he'll be drafted in the first round, where I'm not quite sure. I do believe it's going to be a trade at some point when you get down past like pick 15. Well, Miami's got the most picks, so it won't be a surprise that Miami has a very good draft.

you have them, and I don't think this is crazy. I did not see your mock draft before I said this. My staff as a witness, I said last hour, 30 minutes ago, I said, don't be shocked if Miami doesn't take a quarterback and says to themselves, you know what, Ryan Fitzpatrick, we're going to go and solve our defense. Brian Flores has a defensive background or our offensive line. And then with one of their two other first round picks, goes for George. Gordon Love, who is a developmental prospect, but they have Ryan Fitzpatrick for a year,

so they can just sit him for a year and let him figure it out. So you have the dolphins taking Tristan Worf's, a big, beefy offensive tackle from Iowa. I don't think it's nuts. I got to be honest with you. Nobody's discussing this. Why do you have them taking a tackle? Well, they need tackle help, first of all. They have all of that draft stock like you were talking about.

And when you look at what I believe they're going to be trying to do from a model perspective, I think it's going to, in some cases, mirror what New England was trying to do for all of their years. And so when I look at their offensive line, I see big offensive tackles in particular. A guy like Nate Solder comes to mind who went to Colorado. Now he's not in New England anymore, but he was there for a substantial part of this run. Worf's athletic so he can get out on the screen game. He's incredibly athletic. like you saw that at the combine.

He's also young. He's going to grow even a little bit more. He's huge. He's physical. He can great in the run game. And I just think he's a great prospect, in particular at the tackle position, where I think he's got the highest upside of any of these tackles. Now, it wouldn't shock me if they went Mackay Beckton,

who's a gigantic player from Louisville. Wouldn't shock me if they went Wills from Alabama or even maybe Andrew Thomas. But those might be a reach at five, whereas worse, at least as a process, can project into that top five because of his incredible athletic ability. By the way, you have seven or eight wide receivers in the first round. Why in the world would I draft a wide receiver in the first round when there's 60 available in this draft? Yeah, I mean, going through this, I couldn't agree with you more. Now, when you look at some of these team needs, a lot of people need wide receivers.

So as the NFL, at least in my estimation, is more wide receiver needy than they've ever been. this might be the deepest wide receiver draft that we've ever seen. And what happens is once you get a run on a position, Colin, you know this. You've been covering the draft and watching the draft for so long. It's a bit of a domino effect, right? So once you get the first wide receiver off the board, then people say, well, we better go get our guy. Well, we better go get our guy. And then all of a sudden, what you get is teams at the back end of the first round,

who I would say absolutely have to get wide receivers like the Vikings and the Packers, may be sitting there. With quality wide receivers, because of the depth of the position, I've got Denzel Mems going to the Minnesota Vikings, then Brandon Iyuk from ASU going to the Packers. I really think those two teams are going to be selecting wide receivers late. And so when I'm going through this exercise, it's just a domino effect of teams ahead of them took wide receivers.

There's first round graded wide receivers available, so I gave them to those teams late in the first round. You know what I just noticed? You know, I always use the American Idol example that they only give you about 15 seconds to sing an American Idol because talent jumps off the television set. These guys complaining about pro days. My takeaway is talent jumps off the TV set. You only have six seniors going in the first round. It is a junior, meaning the really good players don't need to stay in college forever.

That's right. Six seniors. Now, I want to segue to this. Pro days. Okay, Johnny Mansell, Sam Bradford, Jamarcus Russell had great pro days. Teddy Bridgewater was awful. He's the one that just got the money.

What am I? I don't like, here's why I don't like pro days. Because I'm sitting next to a bunch of scouts. And I can be influenced by their ooze and oz and body language. And in the end, I'm talking myself into stuff that I've already seen on tape. And I also don't like it because it's the most comfortable workout a player has. And the NFL is about discomfort, not comfort.

So I don't buy pro days have major influence. What do you think? Well, I think that they have, listen, I agree with you in principle. Unfortunately, I think that at times teams get sucked in and decision makers get sucked in and place too much importance on them. I couldn't agree with you more. Listen, pro days, in particular from a quarterback, you have to understand. And let me just describe this.

I don't know if people really understand this, but quarterback's the only position that designs their own pro-day workout. They bring in their own private coach. They get out there and it's very comfortable. Hey, we're going to throw five passes to the left and five passes to the right and they're going to be in this tree and this is what we're going to try to show you. All the other guys, all the other position groups, save for the wide receivers who are running routes for the quarterback, they get taken through a workout by just one of the scouts in the

building. So for sake of argument, the New York Giants linebacker coach or scout is out there. And he's like, okay, give me all the linebackers. And he just starts throwing them through impromptu drill. They can't get ready for them. They're seeing the drill for the very first time. And so they're uncomfortable in those settings. So I genuinely believe that pro days are much better of an evaluation period for every other position outside a quarterback because of the comfortable aspect that you were talking about. If you're looking at what you get watching a quarterback in pro days, virtually nothing. Now, here's what I would say, Colin, if you see him doing things that you haven't seen on tape,

throw up a big caution flag, right? This should be for confirmation only. No new information. Okay. If you show me that all of a sudden you can throw that route in shorts and the T-shirt, I'm actually going to downgrade you because I'm like, wait, why can't you take it from the practice field? onto the tape and put that into action during game play. Then the other two things that I think are most important about the pro day time is that you

actually can sit with the quarterback and meet with him, talk with him about X's and O's, talk with him about his scheme and your scheme, see if you can pick it up. And then you can have access to the entire collegiate staff. You can talk to the academic support advisor. You can talk to the trainer. You can talk to the assistant trainer. You can talk to the strength coach. You can talk to the position coach.

You can talk to the opposing coordinator from that player, and you can get a really good picture of what this kid is as a person holistically once you bring them into your building. And I think those are the most important parts of Pro Day. But when it comes to just the actual physical aspect of the quarterback throwing, I think it's the most overrated thing in the draft process, period. By the way, you set 12 Colorado passing records when you quarterback the Buffaloes. You had a pro day. How'd it go? Well, I mean, 12 in my first year starting 44 overall. Get it right. I don't care about your feelings.

But who cares about that? My pro day was horrendous. Here's the deal. Colin, we had no wide receivers coming out for the draft. So I had nobody to throw. I had a couple of tight ends that were coming out or running back that was coming out. If you remember a guy named Lawrence Vickers was a pullback that was coming out, two tight ends, Joe Klofenstein and Quinn Subniewski, who played for a little bit in the national football league.

but we had to pull guys that were just like NFL free agents at the time that we're working out at this place called Velocity down the road. And I had to bring them out and throw to them. It was terrible. And let me just tell you that my strength was never sitting in shorts and a T-shirt and getting people to ooh and awe at my arm strength. But what I could do was operate a system. So it was not lost on me that I earned my contract, albeit an undrafted free agent contract, because I went to rookie mini camps, both in Detroit and New Orleans, without, contracts and earned them over those three days by operating the system during those three days.

I could get this in and out of the huddle. I could operate the checks. I could throw the football a long time, so on and so forth. Now, I didn't have nearly the ability or the stature or the medical record to stick in the NFL, but that's the process that was better for me. And so from a young age, I knew that pro days were worth very little as it relates to what that player's success is going to be at the next level. Yeah, that's a pretty little.

I have big 44 records at Colorado, right? Is that what you said? Well, I mean, I don't think many of them are standing now, but, you know, give me a pigskin. I'll throw it over that mountain. Yeah, I think they used to run like the wishbone or something. That's probably why it broke all this. That's right. See, but that's smart of me, Colin.

You got to respect the fact that I was smart enough to go to a place that had very low expectations. You used to run the wishbone, and it's like, then you can leave with all the records, right? All right. Okay, one more. One more. His mock draft, by the way, is at Fox Sports.com and NFL on Fox. That's a Twitter thing. All right. What the hell do I do with Isaiah Simmons? Every time I watch Clemson, he makes every other tackle. He doesn't have a position. He reminds me a Shaq Thompson, Carolina out of Washington. He was a great high school safety. They used him at running back. He could be linebacker. And he's a good player. I like Shaq Thompson. What do I do with Isaiah Simmons? Where does he go and what do I do with him? Isaiah Simmons is the second safest pick in the entire draft. You set it in your question.

Every time I turn on the tape, he makes every play. Every play. Why wouldn't you want that? No, I agree. I don't care where he lines up. You care where he lines up if he makes every play? No, line him up by like 10 yards away from the ball. Who cares?

He's always at the football. Isaiah Simmons is a phenomenal player. And remember now, in today's game, what do we see more and more of? We see hybrid players being more important, both offensively and Colin defensively. So it's going to pay huge dividends for whatever teams draft Isaiah Simmons that he can play safety and cover well and has great range. He can play linebacker. He can cover the slot. He can be in the box.

He can also blitz off the edge. So he's dominant, not just good, but dominant at every level of defense. I think that's an incredibly valuable commodity when you're talking about defense in the modern age. Oh, by the way, I didn't ask you this. I thought I did. A producer reminded me, Greg, I didn't. Tua's Pro Day tape, what'd you make of it? Fine.

I mean, again, I don't care. I don't care how you look right now. I think Tua is a fabulous player. I love his game. He's not quite Burrell, but that's mainly because of the injury history that he's suffered. Again, you know what I can't see in a pro day? Is the fact that my biggest knock on the field with Tua is that he thinks he's more elusive than he is. Yeah.

That one trait has led to all of his. his injuries. He thinks he can get away from guys. He can't. They roll up on his ankles. He's had two ankle injuries and a fractured hip because of that one trait that I think is very concerning, in particular when you're moving up a level and all those players around you are going to be bigger and faster. Joe Clatt set 44 records at Colorado. Most don't exist now. Most don't exist because they did move to the forward pass a slightly soon after. All right, Clatsder. Good talking to you, buddy. Put some respect on it. I love it, Colin. Thanks. brother. All right, we take a break. T.J. Hushmanzada, coming up next.

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No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herdline News, sponsored by Liberty Mutual Insurance, only pay for what you need. So the NBA draft is currently scheduled for June 25th, but Many NBA teams are reportedly hoping to encourage the league to push that date back to no sooner than August 1st. So top executives believe that moving the draft back will give teams more time to salvage many essential elements of the pre-draft process, such as in-person workouts, interviews and medical evaluations that can't be done right now. Teams are prohibited from requesting video of recent workouts the players might conduct outside of a team environment. They can only study film, such as college games. and practices. They can do virtual interviews. It's limited to four hours per player.

Now, while I was all for the NFL moving forward with the drafts because this is the NFL offseason and nothing that has anything to do with the actual season has been affected yet, and they also did have the combine. The NFL did. For the NBA, I totally agree that they should postpone the NBA draft. Their players are not getting able to work. They're not able to work out right now to their full capacity. The in-person workouts, the pre-draft workouts that the NBA holds, are so much more intense and intimate than, say, a pro day that the NFL is missing. This is when, you know, GMs and owners and head coaches are going to get to see these prospects up close,

see how they move, see how they shoot in person as opposed to just watching film and scouts as well. So I'm fully for them postponing the draft, especially because they haven't even decided if they're going to finish the season yet. Yeah, I think it's just fluid. I think they have to, NBA is very good at compromising and being willing to adjust. So this is, I would just, I would worry about the season first and worry about the draft second and free agency third. The good news is not a lot of stars in free agency, not a lot of stars in the draft. So if there was a year where the draft and free agency had to be butted up against football, this is the year.

There's no Zion. You know, this is not like Durant. And, you know, there's not a, there really is the leanest free age at year I ever remember. So I think you have to make it up as you go. And I think the NBA has shown an ability to do that. No, they definitely will. I just think that until they decide what they're doing with the season, obviously they haven't made an announcement that they're postponing the draft,

but I think it will be inevitable that they'll postpone the draft. So there's reportedly been some tension between Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell since the two players tested positive for coronavirus. And according to the athletic, the Jazz have begun trying to fix the lingering issues between their two stars, but they aren't having much success. Mitchell is reportedly reluctant to repair his relationship with Gobert. And one source even said it doesn't appear salvageable. Kind of an interesting situation there. They shared space on a regular basis two days before Rudy Gobert tested positive.

And obviously, the Jazz tried to explain to Mitchell that there's no way to know who had the virus first or who infected who or, or he. or if Gobert even was the one that infected him. But obviously that video of Rudy rubbing all of the microphones and kind of making light of the virus is one that is going to definitely stick and kind of represent the start of all the suspension of the sports world. The problem with giving Stars so much impact and the NBA, you know, Stars control stuff is it's hard to get a bunch of alphas

to get along. And so this is what broke up the Warriors. if you break up this, jazz will never be the same team because these are the two best players. So it's like, you know, this is my knock. Fundamentally, if I had significantly more power than I had today at Fox, I would have, you know, you're young, you get an ego, right? And then all of a sudden I can't work with this and I can't work with that. I always feel like the NBA, the issue is Kobe and Shaq, it just the ego's got too bigot.

Kevin Durant and the Warriors. This is the classic example where if I ran an NBA team, it would drive me crazy that two guys who really are excellent players can't get over this. Like, just get over it. But again, when you give players so much power in a league where they have more power than the GM and the coach, this is what you're stuck with.

A little tiny thing becomes a franchise exploder. But that's the culture of the league, though. And there is a team that doesn't do it that way. It's the Spurs, and they have had a tremendous amount of success. But that only works if you have talents of the highest level that buy into that culture. So that's how it works. Teammate Joe Engel says he's confident our team will be completely fine. So they're working.

But I mean, Embed Simmons, same issue. Durant Warriors. By the way, Kyrie LeBron. You know, when you have these great tandums, it's like, guys, it's so hard to get a great team in the NBA when you get it. Don't screw it up, Utah. But it's also such an intimate game. You know, it's so hard to compare it to the NFL or MLB or really any other sport. That's a team sport because it's such, it's so intimate.

There's five guys on the court. The rosters are not that big. You're traveling together. You're staying together. Like there's more opportunities, I think, in basketball for things to go wrong than it is in other sports too. So it's a very, it's very delicate. I mean, all relationships are delicate to some. So, you know, that that's an added element to it.

Finally, Tom Brady has reportedly filed for a couple more trademarks surrounding his move to Tampa Bay. His company, T-E-B Capital Management, has filed for the rights to the slogans, Tampa Bay. And Tampa Bay, the—Tampa Brady, I'm sorry. The filings indicate that they intend to sell clothing, headwear, footwear, using these trademarks. He was denied the trademark to Tom Terrific last year, and he's also filed for the trademark of TB by TB. Now, as, I mean, as thrilling as Tompa Bay is. So bad.

Tampa Brady. I think he's probably just doing this so that other people can't sell shirts and make money off of his name. I don't think that I could see myself rocking a Tampa Bay shirt. But who knows? Crazier things have taken off. But I think that's more what it's about.

Tampa Brady would make it so bad. It's funny. Tampa Bay is awful. It's so bad. So bad. So bad. It's smart though. You know, Tom has great control over his brand.

Yeah. That's what this is about. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. Men like power. Be careful, guys.

It also makes you responsible. Until recently, Bill O'Brien Houston Texans, who engineered another trade yesterday, was GM coach and offensive coordinator. So either one of two things is possible. He's the most brilliant, smartest man in the history of the league that can do all three well, or he's got too much on his plate. I'll go with the latter.

This doesn't work. He's not a good GM. He's getting worked in these trades. The Rams wanted to get rid of Brandon Cooks because they think he's going to retire early with a concussion issue. They do end up having to pay a lot of money for him, dead cat money. But in the end, Rams wanted him out because they think he's going to retire and what do you know, Bill O'Brien once again gives up picks for a kind of one-trick pony receiver who misses too many games, which they've got a lot of those already.

Randall Cobb. Will Fuller. Kenny Stills missed three games last year. I don't believe in giving your coach. Go look at the NBA. Stan Van Gundy had ultimate power. No good. Tom Tibado had ultimate power, no good.

Dwayne Casey had too much personal power. He got fired. I'll tell you a guy who's been really good as a coach, Doc Rerner. I didn't like him as a GM. He went and traded for his son. Doc Rivers in Boston and L.A. when he's just the coach, he's excellent. Don't like him as a GM. Players, for coaches, they fall in love with players who can win them games now.

A GM has to be a little less willing to fall in love with anything, and it's all about the future. But here's the thing. Jimmy Johnson's taught me this, the great legendary football coach Jimmy Johnson. He said, an offensive coordinator wants to score points. A head coach wants to win games. He goes, so I have a totally different worldview during a game. I don't want to call plays. An offensive coordinator, Josh McDaniels is trying to score points.

Bill's trying to win the game. And Bill has to step in on occasion and go, no, we're not doing that. Eat the clock. Jimmy Johnson, many times. Stop doing that, run the ball, eat the clock. I don't want our best play. I want to eat the clock. I don't want to give it back to them.

And it's like a chef. The restaurants that work are part of, of restaurant groups. They call them restaurant groups, where you have an operation side and they hire the chefs. They work together, but the operation guys don't cook and the chefs don't do the books. And there's big, big money in these restaurant groups. I'm part of one in Manhattan Beach. L.A.'s got a half dozen. Chicago's got several. Nashville's got two big ones. New York's got 10 big ones. This is how you make money in restaurants, restaurant groups. They've got a real business and they go fine and pay for big-time chefs who create world-class menus.

And I just don't think you can do it all. And I think a lot of times guys like power, and you've got to be really careful about that. And so when I look at Houston right now, you got Bill O'Brien's the GM and he's the coach. And not long ago, he was also the offensive coordinator. So you have to deduce this. He's the most brilliant football person in the world ever because he can do all three well, or he's over his skis on one. and I think like Mike Holmgren, he's a pretty darn good coach,

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Oh, one of my favorite guys over a decade in the NFL, a pro bowler. T.J. Hushmanzada, Fox Sports NFL analyst also works out with a lot of these guys and knows his stuff. You know, I'm looking at this stuff, and I'm looking at all these players. You've worked out with Justin Herbert. Let's re-address this. You've worked out with Justin Herbert. You like him a lot, right?

Man, physically, it's something I've never seen before. He's big, and his arm is just. unbelievable. You would have to see it. You can't even put it like I plays and I've been around all the best quarterbacks. I've never seen anybody physically throw the ball like he does. Nobody. Joe Burrow, you worked out with him? Yeah. What do you think? I like Joe. Joe is super confident and what really sold me was the last couple weeks it was rain and almost every day. And I don't think he threw one bad ball in the rain. Everything was on the money. And so Joe is going to be really good quarterback just with his temperament,

and confident, and it shocked me that in the rain, everything was on the money. Would you make it to his tape and his pro day on film? Tua is physically a talented player. It's just the injury history. Tua, had he not been hurt, him and Joe Borrow would have pretty much been fighting for that number one spot, and they probably still are. I thought it was impressive considering just having surgery when he did,

coming back from a hip injury, putting that work. and to a super, super, super talented, it is just a matter of, is his body going to hold up? Are pro days overrated? Pro days are overrated. Okay, I'll give you this analogy. And we'll just talk quarterbacks for this instance. If we have a final, final exam in college, and our professor lets us take the test three to four times, we should score an A on that final. And so that's what's going on, especially with quarterbacks is, they practice this pro day,

time and time and time again with the same guys that are going to be running around. So when it's time for the pro date, they're going to perform well because they've already practiced it. They've already taken the exam before actually taking the exam. And so it's rehearsed. Jordan Palmer would have run Joe's pro date. Trent would have run and had ran to his pro date. John Beck and those guys, they did run Justin Herbert's pro day. And so you're taking an exam before the actual exam.

What was your pro day like? My pro day was number one, it was different. At the time, Oregon State, we didn't have an indoor facility. So we went outside and ran the 40. It was freezing cold. Went back inside, did the jumps, and that was it, no route. And so myself, Chad, and a couple other receivers, we went up to USC's pro day. They wouldn't let us work out.

So all the coaches, we went down to Dorsey High School, Jack, grabbed in the field, and ran around there. They all came down there. How about that? The receiver just on film, and I think there's a bunch of good ones, but when I look at Jerry Judy, and I see his explosiveness, his first four or five steps,

it doesn't even look, he's pulling away from LSU defenders, from Georgia guys, from Auburn guys. I look at him, and I think he's so much better than everybody else. What do you see having played the position for a decade in pro football? It's not. I'm going to let people

win on a secret. Not too many. Some know this. There's some good trainers. Judy, number one, he was fortunate. He's trained with some guys that know what they're doing down in Florida. I will say that.

The guys he's trained with in Florida, those trainers really know what they're doing. The key to playing receiver is not his first four steps. It's his ability to decelerate, his ability to stop and put his foot in the ground. He does that better than 90% of the guys in the NFL right now. Like his ability to stop. is unbelievable.

He can decelerate. He can stop with the best of them, and that's why he creates so much separation. Is there another receiver? Let's take Michael Pittman at USC's not a burner. I told somebody, a GM on the East Coast called me the other day, and he said, who's your most underrated player in the draft? We were just joking around, and I said,

you're going to think I'm a homer because I live in L.A. I said, I watched Michael Pittman's dad. He was tough as a $5 steak. And I said, Pittman's a tough kid. he walked on to USC as a true freshman and was a great playmaking special teams guy. He's gotten better every year at USC, and I don't think USC last several years has had great coaching. Take Michael Pittman at USC. What do you see?

He's not a burner. What do you see? Man, so I guess I could be called a home or two. I'm privy to Michael Pittman because I just so happen to be working with. Tyler, it's exactly what. Man, Pittman is a worker. When I tell you, he's a worker, he could have. have one leg and he'll call you and be like, let's go work out.

Like he got a root canal in the morning and we worked out two hours after. A root canal. And now what Pittman is going to surprise for people like underrated, Pittman can decelerate. He's big. He's tough. Pittman is going to play 10 years in the league because he can do what I just said about Judy.

He can decelerate. If you can decelerate and create separation, you're going to play in the NFL. That's what it's about. It's not about how. fast you are. Can you stop? Can you stop like a Ferrari? Or do you stop like a car when they screech? It goes, if they're making that much noise when they stop, they're not going to be successful. You need to stop right on a dime. And that's what Pittman can do. That's what I've taught him. And he's gotten better and better from the first day until the last day we're going to

work. He's gotten better. And Pittman is going to be a surprise if people think, oh, he's not a first, second round guy. He's not a surprise for Pete. You got drafted by the Bengals in the seventh round. out of Oregon State 19 years ago. So when you talk to Joe... Damn, I'm old. Well, you look good, though. And you've got... You're a curious human,

so you're smart and thoughtful, and you're aging very, very well. But you know the Bengals, and Joe Burrell's probably asked you once about the Bengals. What concerns you about Joe Burrow going to the Bengals? I mean, there's not... I'll look at the Bengals, and just from a on-the-field standpoint,

they're 21-14. and they have the number one pick for a reason. And when you look at the players they have, it's like, how are they not better? They have a good team when you look at the players. If AJ can come back healthy, they're going to be pretty good. They got Joe Mixing in the back, though. They got Tyler Boyd. They got John Ross.

If he can stay healthy, that defense, they spent some money on free agency. They went out and got guys that were in the playoffs, and they paid these guys to come to Cincinnati. What concerns me is with that being said, they haven't with that talent, they should be playing better than what they are. That's the only thing that concerns me. Joe was super confident in himself. Oh, I can go to Bengals.

I never had to lose a season. Well, there's a lot of guys that come out of college without lose a season in their first year in the league. They lose. Carolina-American say the same thing. I've never had to lose the season. You go to the Cardinals, you're going to lose. And so he has a tall task in front of him.

It's not going to be easy. It's just the only thing that concerns me is with the talent that the Bengals have always had, they just can't seem to get over the hump. Is Joe the guy to do it? If he does it, it's going to elevate him. And if he does it, it's going to be like, yeah, another quarterback that wants the Bengals and couldn't get it done. You're very tough-minded.

How much of this league is physical and how much is Psyche? Oh, man, I would probably say 15% physical, 85% mental, and everybody can play. everybody everybody's a good why are so many first round guys they don't make it physically they have the talent we can't see the mental capacity we can't see the toughness we can't see

when it gets hard are you going to fold or you're going to capitulate or are you going to fight through that you don't see that until you get to that adversity is it going to reveal your character and so you can't see that physically and that's the biggest thing

in the league when you have these hard times Like we just said, with a Joe Boyle of Colorado, I've never had to lose a season. And then you lose your first five or six games. How do you adjust? How do you react to that? How do you rebound from that? And that's, you can't see that.

Did you ever get on your Bingle's first two classes, the one you came in with and the one after, the first two? Did you ever see a player with talent just mentally couldn't handle the league? Colin, we had a player, and I don't even, I know he went to, I believe he went to Mississippi State. We had a player, we were in training camp. And our training camp, first day of camp, two practices, second day at camp, two practices, third day at camp, two practices.

Fourth day, you can't even walk and you got to go practice. Literally, we had a guy not show up to practice and left and went home in the middle of the night. Like, I'm gone. Just quit. It was that hard. Like, you can't even walk, and you got to get up and go practice. And so that right there just shows you like, oh, he was physically really good. but mentally he couldn't deal with it.

And that happens. There's so many good players that get cut, really good players, but mentally they don't have the IQ or they don't have the toughness to deal with it. Who is the strongest mental player, mentally strongest player you ever played with? Oh, wow. That's a tough question. To me, the guys that are really good players

but aren't the greatest at their position physically or when guys get hurt. Like I look at a guy like Willie Anderson. He got banged up towards the end of his tenure with me in the Bengals, and he was still out there playing at a Pro Bowl level. Should be in a Hall of Fame, but that's another story. You look at guys like him. I look at a guy like Corey Dillon.

Cory Dillon, I remember had a car accident on the way to a game Sunday and still played in the game. Wow. And so there's so many stories like that that you're like, You're going to play? Yeah, I'm going to play. Like, all right, let's know. You're good?

And so it's so many guys that that's just physical. There's guys that have problems at home with their wives or their kids or their parents. And they go out there and play. Chad would have problems with family problems and nobody would know about it, but myself and market. He'd go out there and play, have 100 yards. And nobody knows what's going on in his personal life. But mentally, you've got to block that out. And for those three hours on Sunday, go get it done.

Always love talking to you, man. You're smart. You just have, you're just, you're a pleasure to talk to. T.J. Hushmanzada. You have a great weekend. We'll talk a couple more times before the draft, buddy. Calvin, I appreciate it. Take care of.

Keep up the great work, man. All right. You always get it. I mean, just, that's it. I covered him in college. I covered him in college. He was on one side of the field and Chad Johnson before, it was pre-Ocho, Cinco was on the other.

That was a pretty good Oregon State wide receiving corps. Dennis Erickson good recruit. They were pretty good. All right, Howard three, Tony Basile, an all-time great. J-Mack. Tomorrow's headlines today. Next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio,

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get your podcast. Oh, here we go. Hour number three on a Friday and a good one live in Los Angeles. This is The Heard. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, we're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1, XM Series 83. And we got through the week. The weeks have been going, did you tell me this, or did my daughter tell me this last night? The weeks are flying by. They're just, I don't know what it is. They are flying by.

Joy Taylor is joining me. I think it was your daughter, but yeah, I mean, I agree. But I think, you know, we're very lucky and very grateful that we do have work every day because that that makes the week go much faster. I mean, I'm really not done working until anywhere from noon to two every day. So it's great to have us scheduled. It is. So we're getting through this.

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The hospital surge hasn't happened yet. So just knock on wood. And best weekend going forward for you folks. And thanks for watching us for the last several weeks without any games. I saw this story, Tony Besselli in 15 minutes. The Lions, the Detroit Lions are talking to teams who they think can trade up to the number three pick. So since he won, they're going to take Burrough. Washington 2 probably takes Chase Young, Detroit 3, New York Giants 4.

I have said this. I think the Lions and the Giants would be doing irresponsible damage to their organizations if they didn't at least inquire into trades. There's three things happening here for Detroit and the Giants that are rare. Number one, both are rebuilding. Not every team taken in the top four or five is always rebuilding. Some teams move up. They have, you know, they have picks.

They move up. There's trades. They're both rebuilding. So they need more than just one really good player. They need a bunch of good players. Number two is neither needs a quarterback. Matt Stafford comes off injury. you know, they're going to stay with him, right?

And Daniel Jones. So if you don't need a quarterback and there's two teams directly behind you who both do, you need to get on the phone. And number three is for a team like the New York Giants, they need a tackle and it's a tackle-rich draft. They could drop two or three spots, still get the tackle they want, and add picks. So Detroit and the Giants have to get on the phone.

Now, here's their issue. The Chargers in Miami, need quarterbacks. But what if the Chargers don't feel any better about Tua than Justin Herbert? They don't need to move up. They'll take either one. What if Miami doesn't like either, which I speculated early, we know they liked Burrow. Does that tell us they don't like Herbert and Tua? They got three first round picks. They may wait to the second and get Jordan Love. So Detroit and the Giants may call Miami or may call the Chargers and they're like, nah, we're good at the coin flip. We like both or we like neither. Here's the other thing about Tua, though, and I thought

about this. I am cynical about this, but this is the way my brain works. I tend to think it's always about money. If people say it's not about sex and money, it's about only sex and money. I think the NFL is so much driven by people make seven figures, coaches and GMs. They make big money, and their kids are in a private school, and their wife doesn't have to work, and she's got a nice social circle. It's about keeping your job. It really is. Now, there are the Belichick's, his legacy is formed. He doesn't have to worry about that. Andy Reid doesn't have to worry about it now with the Super Bowl. Sean Payton doesn't have to worry about his job. Most of these guys in this league have to win this year or next or they're out of work. That's just the reality outside

of your Annie Reid, your Sean Patens, your Pete Carroll's, and your Bill Belichick's. And so just from that perspective, if I was a general manager and I made seven figures, I would think to myself just to protect me and my family. I know I'm not supposed to think this way, but this is the way my mind would work. I want Tua, right? But I'm not going to give up picks to get him. So if Tua, I draft him and he gets hurt, I can say, if I'm Brian Flores, the coach in Miami or Tom Tolesco, I can say, listen, he was available. We needed a quarterback.

But I didn't give up a bunch of picks for him because I didn't want to sacrifice long-term winning. But if you just take him and you don't move up and you're like, we needed a quarterback, he was there. And he was worth the risk. You could keep your job as a GM with that argument. But if you traded multiple picks to move up to take a guy with risks, and he gets hurt, then you go to the owner and he's like,

so you knew he had a medical risk. I don't mind you taking him, but you sacrificed the future to? You're fired. So I can see with Tua, I can see both a Brian Flores and a, like a Tom Telesco saying, I like him, but I'm not sacrificing risk now and picks later. And they probably don't think like this. That's how I would think. Every decision I make, I'm thinking, how does this play three years from now, not just in the moment?

So I think Detroit and the Giants are going to make calls, but they may just not get takers. Miami's like, we don't like either. We like Burrow. We couldn't get him. Chargers are like, we like them both, similarly. And we don't want to give up picks to go move up. So there you go. Tony Besselli in 15 minutes. Jason McIntyre will be joining me today. Tomorrow's headlines today. I did see this story. I think it's worth two or three minutes. So Dana White scheduled fights in Fresno and they got canceled. I'll give you a little background on this story.

I used to work at another place. Disney owns ESPN. Disney is one of those companies that does worry a lot about public image. They have a very nice brand. They don't like their brand damaged. And so when the New York Times is critical of Disney, they watch. The New York Times was very, very critical of Disney allowing ESPN to put on a UFC fight when we're not even through the peak of the corona biters.

And so the California governor, it was reported called Bob Eiger or whoever now makes all the big decisions at Disney. Used to be Eiger, maybe not now. He moved into content. And they called Disney. So the California governor called Disney and said, hey, come on. Come on. Not in my state.

Please. So then Disney called UFC and said Dana out. And so yesterday Dana White said, it was kind of funny. He just said, I want to thank the city near Fresno and the casino that was going to put it on. We'll pay you back later. But the highest powers canceled this. Okay, so here's Dana telling you why he canceled it. Today we got a call from the highest level you can go at Disney and the highest level of ESPN.

And the powers that be there ask me to stand down and not do this event next Saturday. And that's because the governor of California called and Disney's a huge employer. And this is the way the game works. Disney wants to be on the right. side of the governor. You want governors to like you. You ask for a lot of favors in big business from governors and politicians, right? And so that's the way the game works. I credit Dana White for going for it. He's an aggressive guy, and that's why he's got $300 million in the bank. And UFC has fought like, you know what, to get to this spot. They had to fight boxing. John McCain at one point

threw him off cable. They've had all sorts of battles with New York State. I have a lot of respect for Dana and a lot for the UFC. But in this instance, I do think what is interesting is the governor of California asked for a solid from Disney and they delivered it. Will Disney, which owns ESPN, which has the ESPN NBA contract, go back

in two months and ask a solid from the governor to say, let them play with no fans at Staples Center. Because my former employer is hemorrhaging hundreds of millions of dollars, not having the NBA. It is a painful situation. So that's kind of the story behind the

story with that. I credit Dana. I understand Disney's power. They're concerned about how the New York Times views things. California governor calls them. New York Times is banging on him. They call Dana. He backs off. That's kind of the mechanism. That's how the game works. But I do think that the NBA, I think the NBA, I'm reading a lot about this and making calls. I think the NBA thinks they've got a shot to start the season back up at some point in mid to late June with or without fans, probably without initially. And I hope they do. I think the NBA has always done a good job to curry favor with the media, especially

the New York Times, the big media. And I do think the media will give the NBA a little bit of a pass where they wouldn't give the NFL a pass or, you know, college football a pass. I think the mainstream major media will give the NBA a little bit of a pass if they go in first because they were the first to stop their league and be progressive. So that's my gut feeling on how it works. And I'm crossing my fingers. I love the NBA. I don't want to see my former employer lose hundreds of millions and people lose their jobs.

And, you know, it's a fluid situation. I think once we get past the curve, we just got to manage it like we manage everything else in our lives, our health issues, our families, our families, our, bosses, our jobs. We're not solving all of our problems. We're just managing them. And I think once we get past our peak, we have to go into a manage a crisis situation. And there will be cases and there will be deaths next year. You manage it. All right. Coming up next, Tony Bezelli, he is a former all-pro offensive lineman. If I've had a Hall of Fame vote, I'd vote him in. He's one of the all-time great players from USC. His thoughts, this is a great left tackle class or a tackle class. What is he look for? What is he spot? What matters in the NFL? That's all coming up. He had the virus,

by the way, and overcame it. We'll discuss that as well around the corner. Get your free credit score today, even if you're not a Discover customer. FICA credit score. Check your account. Won't hurt your credit. Learn more. Discover.com slash credit scorecard. Limitations apply. Tony Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. First player ever drafted by the Jacksonville Jaguars in franchise history and named to the all-decade team of the 1990s. When he was there, they were four straight playoff appearances and two conference titles championship games in a four-year span, but severe shoulder surgery ended a career that was amazing. Seven years, five Pro Bowls,

one of the best Trojans in the history of USC, Tony Besselli now, former NFL offensive lineman. Great is joining us. Let me start with the obvious thing. Your wife and your son also and you contracted COVID-19. Are they all healthy today? Yeah, everyone's healthy. Actually, me and my wife was five kids and two of our five kids got it and my son came out today

telling his story. He's a senior at Florida State. And everyone's healthy. Everyone outside of me is actually cleared to leave quarantine. I'm still waiting to pass one more test. And then once I pass that test, pass that test, I'll be clear to leave quarantine, but everyone else is past test,

a clean bill of health, and is doing well. How serious were your symptoms? You know, it's really wild, Colin, because all four of us, all related, and they all had my two children were 72 hours, and were, you know, high fevers, felt really lousy. You know, we're sick badly for 72 hours, but after that, we're fine and ready to rock and roll again. And my wife had two weeks of symptoms, no temperature ever, extreme fatigue and lost her taste and smell. She feels good now. She's still a little bit tired.

And then I had the other extreme. I mean, I got, you know, the first four or five days I thought I was getting better and getting over it. I think it was day six or seven. I just went downhill fast. And over about a 36 to 48 hour period of time, I went from thinking, okay, I'm about over this to thinking I'm having trouble. breathe in my lungs are falling up and I need to go. My doctor says you need to get to the hospital and end up in the ICU. So it was a wild ride and it's just very interesting how this virus really affects people wildly different. I mean, we're all in the same family and we had

vastly different stories and all healthy, no underlying issues and we all had different symptoms. Were you at a party or anything? Do you think you contracted it in a, you know, where do you think you got it? You know, it's hard to say, you know, we were at an, not a party, but a gathering about a month ago now. And we think maybe there because somebody, that's how we ended up getting tested because we got a phone call saying somebody at the same event. We were at tested positive. And so I was starting to feel sick. We called our Mayo doctor and said, hey, maybe we could go get tested.

We did. That's when we found out. But, you know, you talk to people, you know, because people can be asymptomatic and having this, From the time we were exposed to the time I got sick was four or five days. And you just don't know. I mean, someone could have coughed, sneezed, you know, on our vicinity, and we walked through it and got it. You just don't really know. But our best guess is at that event.

Let's go to the draft. There's a bunch of left tackles and right tackles everybody likes. If you were a scout, what is an overrated quality, college to pro as a tackle, And what is something that's underrated that you would really zone in on? You know, I think a lot of times, I mean, listen, like, you know, you look at the qualities that scouts are looking for. And I don't think any are underrated, you know, length and athletic ability and all that. But as I watch guys to play, I want to see the move. I want athletic guys.

I want to see big men who have feet because, you know, if I'm having to trade, you know, length over better athlete, I want the better athlete. I just believe that you block people with your feet in the NFL, especially now that it's a space league and more than ever. You're going to be in space. You're going to be against really athletic people. Obviously, you need a base standard length. But I really look at athletic ability. Can you bend your knees? Can you move your feet in space and what kind of athletes you are?

I think that's the most important thing. Were you a better pass blocker or run blocker? Well, I'd like to say I was pretty dang good at both. I think I was probably known as a. a pass blocker because of the position I played in the era that I played where, you know, most of the great defensive ends were right ends and I was the left tackle. Yeah. And so that was kind of what the position demanded and that's what was looked at.

But I like to say I was a pretty good run blocker as well. I mean, we, I think we were top, you know, top five in rushing a bunch of years I was playing left tackle. So I couldn't have been that bad at it. Yeah. You know, it is interesting because, for instance, I look at a guy that plays in the Big Ten and it's a power conference. and then I look at the Big 12, and it's a space conference.

Are there advantages to disadvantages, like at USC, did their system make you a better NFL player? Well, I'll say this. I think the coaches I had made me a better player. I had great. I mean, my first year is there, a guy named John Masko, who's just been in the NFL since I was in college, basically, now with the Redskins on Ron Rivera's staff.

Great coach. another coach, Mike Barry, a great coach. I great coaching. And as you're asking the question and kind of comparing the conferences, one of the things that I think I probably forgot to say, one of the underrated qualities that I think is looked at is toughness and physicality. And I think if you look at the style of play in college football sometimes, I don't think they're coached to be physical.

And that was different when I played. And so if I was evaluating players and I was going to be a coach, knowing that the game has changed, so much and what the expectation was. I'd really, and this is where I think it's a disadvantage this year because you don't get to sit down with these guys. I want to sit down and talk to these guys and their coaches and people around them and understand,

is this a physical, tough person? Because I still think at the end of the day, it's the team that can control the line of scrimmage. And I think there's just a toughness and a physicality that goes with being a great offense alignment. And the style of football and college football, a lot of times doesn't ask people to be that. That's interesting.

Trent Dilfero is says, that. He always says, do you want to sit in a money pocket and get hit? It's no fun. And a lot of guys, they hear the ghost thing after about two years of getting pop by year three. They got no interest. Let me ask you, you would think everybody in the NFL's tough. Did you ever play against a guy? Because you're a tough guy. You had severe shoulder issues and played through a lot of pain. Who was the toughest guy you played with that loved the physicality as much as it was a street fight every time you faced him? I'm a shock. The toughest guy I played with in my career was Keenan McCardell, who was a wide receiver for us.

There was nobody tougher. I mean, here's the guy that would go across the middle when going across the middle meant something because there was no defensive receiver or anything else like that. You could hit guys in the head, hit wherever you want. And I've seen him have a great three shoulder separation. It was told that he was going to be out four weeks and play the next week. I mean, we had a playoff game against the Patriots. I want to say, 98.

he broke his wrist in the game, finished the game. They said, your season's over, and we won the game. And he says, no, I'm playing next week.

We'll go to New York to play the Jets and Testa Verdi was the quarterback. I believe he had 10 catches with a broken wrist in the cast. I mean, this dude, I mean,

you know, I like to think out of stuff. He made me look soft. He was the toughest player I ever played with. And probably one of the guys I respected more than anybody else. Just the way,

with his mentality. You're not going to believe this. I covered him at UNLV. I love that. Oh, he's unreal. He was one of the nicest guys. Keenan McCartle. I think he wore 84 at UNLV. He was our best football player. He was so nice. And I was a young sportscaster. And he's the guy always went and interviewed. And it was just, he was one of those guys that I like, I don't know. I just, he almost was a better pro than a college player. He was just such a good guy. And I love hearing that. Now, you don't even have to name names. But we're there. ever guys that may have played that they were tough. But you knew when you're blocking downhill, they wanted no part of you.

Yeah, you knew. I mean, there was guys that when you played that I'll say this. I knew when I, you know, going into the week, I knew it was going to be a 12 round fifth fight that if I don't show up, then I'm going to get my ass kicked because this guy is coming full speed every play. And I better be ready. And then I knew there was games like, oh, he's a. the NFL is a good player.

But this isn't, you know, this isn't a 12-round fight. You know, there might be some rounds where there's some sparring going on, and which I actually would want to take advantage of and be even more physical because that's where you could take the life out of people. It was such a different, it was governed. The game was governed differently. Yes, yes. We were allowed to do a lot of things back when I played that you could impose your will

and physicality, you know, right at the whistle, right after the whistle, without a penalty flight coming. What was a pro day like for Tony Bisselli? Pro day. It was interesting because I did everything at the combine. And so I remember all the scouts showed up, and I wanted to run again and do stuff because I wanted to see if I could break five flat in the 40.

I have no idea why because he gives a crap, but I wanted to. And all the scouts showed them and said, why are you doing anything? You're going to be top five pick and you just did everything at the combine. I'm like, well, I want to break five flat. I was like, well, knock yourself out, but we don't care. And so I ran the 40, and one scout of all of them had me at 4-9-7, and I said, okay, that's all I needed. And so that was, you know, the working out was, you know, pretty uneventful.

But then the personal workouts were teams who come out and work me out on the field. Those went well. I mean, I think, you know, there was only a handful of teams because I think everyone knew I was going to go in the top five, top seven. And so those are the teams that kind of came and worked me out. Would you draft Tua? I would not. When I say that, I wouldn't draft him to the top 10. I just think a very good college player.

A lot of injuries, two ankles, we found out at a wrist, a dislocated hip. He's not a big human being. He's not a great athlete as far as with his legs. I think there's a lot of questions for me with Tua. And so if I had a top 10 tick, I don't think I'm taking them. you know he's there late in the second early in the I mean late in the first early in the second which I don't think he would be I'd be interested at that point but not as a top 10 guy Tony Buselli your son Andrew offensive lineman at Florida States online today talking about COVID he contracted it and he's now over it but I appreciate you coming on the show I just love you and good luck to you and your fam Colin thanks for having me and yes I'm looking forward to all of us getting beyond this and hopefully this fall

we're talking football and nothing else. Yep, good stuff. Thanks, Tony. See ya. With today's health concerns, more important than ever to take care of your body, MDrive Elite, go to MDrivefermen.com. Code heard 20% off your first month.

I'll tell you this, I am eating as well as I've ever eaten. I've tried to build up my immunity system. I'm taking vitamin D pills in the morning. Of course, it'd be nice if there was sun out. I'm also taking a zinc pill in the morning, a thousand milligrams, vitamin C, OJ. So my immunity system is as strong as it has ever been. Because you hear these stories about it and you hear when Tony Bezelli is struggling to breathe, you think, holy crap.

I don't want to go there. Like he can bench press Delaware and it, yeah, his son's a college athlete struggled. So it's a real thing, man. Social distancing is real. And I wear a mask everywhere I go. I wear gloves sometimes, which is weird, but I do. And Joy Taylor with the news. This is the herd line news.

So I guess it's being floated out there that James Winston might be considered a bust. The bucks have obviously moved off of him, but GM Jason Light still has high praise for his former quarterback. We have a lot of respect for James. James was still part of our plan if if things went a different route. Got a lot of respect for him. I thought he did a lot of great things and anybody in our office for our building would say the same thing. He did some spectacular things for us. I would never say that personally, I don't think,

and I think I speak on behalf the organization, that he was a bust. I think he's got a bright future ahead of him. I don't think James Winston's a bus at all. No, I mean, Johnny Mansell's a bus. I mean, Ryan leaves our buddy. He was a bust. But James Winston threw for a lot of touchdowns.

Bus to me is I get no productivity out of you. and by year two, everybody in the building's out. Like Johnny Mansell year two, like Baker Mayfield has struggled. But this new staff, they're all in on Baker for at least 16 more games. Right. So I don't, yeah, I don't think he's a bust. I think he and Marcus Marriota won a bunch of games. Marcus Marriota won more games than James.

James was more productive. So they both had value. And also, the college game and the NFL are two different games. Just because you're not a great pro player doesn't mean that you just didn't have a good football career. And James Winston isn't great, but we don't know where he's going to land next. We haven't seen the results of this eye surgery that he had, which may have an effect on his accuracy. Who knows?

But I certainly don't consider him to be a bus. Like that's a very, that's a word I think should be reserved, like you said, for people who, guys who come in the league and within a year, all right, this was a mistake. Yeah, like a year in. Yeah, a first round guy a year in, everybody in the building. Like Mitch Trubisky, you get really close because he's 19 and 10, and he did get to a playoff game, so you can't go bust. No. But I do believe last year, very early, the building moved off him.

And so he's not a bust. He's got twice as many wins, I think, as losses. But I think Jamas wins those last two games last year, he's back. I think they really got disappointed with the pick six is late. And they're like, okay, we're done. but I think James goes 9 and 7 they go wildcard. I think half the arms in that building

when James is out of the building and they say, are we in or out? I think it's a coin flip. I think it's a 50-50 split on him. Well, yeah, and look, like production is great, but it's about wins and losses at the end of the day. But I just think that if you're going to go as far as to say a bus, then it really has to earn that status.

It has to be such a colossal mistake. It's set your franchise back. You haven't had a winning season. It has to be a little bit more dramatic than what James Winston has done and what he may end up doing still in the league. So the Chiefs are set up to come back at full strength next season. They are returning 20 of the 22 starters from their Super Bowl win. Only guard Stefan Winskiewski and linebacker Reggie Ragland are no longer with Kansas City.

They obviously re-signed Sammy Watkins. They have five picks in the draft, one in each of the first five rounds. and they made a few other off-season moves as well. But I think, look, it's not a hot take to say that the chiefs are in the best position moving into next season, especially considering everything that's going on right now. But even if this wasn't happening, that is incredible that they've been able to do that. Building an organization where you manage who gets paid, and obviously, look, they're in a great situation with Patrick Mahomes not being paid yet. But what they've done, managing their organization is so impressive to win a Super Bowl next last year and bring back 20 of your 22 starters is just incredible.

They're just a really well-run organization and they're going to be great for a long time. They're interesting. They didn't have a lot of titles, right? But they've been mostly, I think of the Kansas City Chiefs. And I think it's a lot like the Minnesota Vikings. I think they're well-run. But the Vikings don't have a lot to show for it. But I always think the Vikings draft well.

they use the cap well. I think the Minnesota Vikings are very well run. I don't think the Houston Texans are as well run, but in recent years they have more division titles. So some of it is Deshawn Watson is just spectacular. But I've always thought of the Chiefs. You know, like if you, you know, Chiefs, Ravens, Patriots, Seahawks, Packers, Saints now. I'm like, those are well-run football teams.

Yeah, Kansas City's well-run. And I mean, look, I'm about winning championships, obviously. I'm from Pittsburgh. You play to win championships. But you also want to have a consistent product for your fans. You want to make sure that people have something to root for every year. And, of course, you have to get the guy. And that's the difference between the Vikings and the Chiefs.

The Chiefs now have the guy. So, yes, Patrick Mahomes makes up for that. While you're a well-run organization, you know, you had Alex Smith, you're playing well, you're getting to the playoffs, you're winning play-up games. But you're not winning the game. You need the guy. So they're going to be a problem again next year. So Trent Dilfer worked out to earlier this year.

as he began his draft preparations and Dilfer did not hold back when praising to his talent. He said, if he would have never gotten hurt, there would have been no discussion about who the best player in the draft is. He throws the football better than anyone,

throws the football. He throws better than Aaron Rogers and Dan Marino. Whoever gets him wins the draft because you're getting a Hall of Fame player. That's a little strong, but... We love trying around here. He's a friend.

But Marino was... Marino was really good. Dan Marino is widely regarded. guarded as one of, if not the best throw of the football in the history of the NFL, probably the most successful and talented quarterback to ever not win a championship. Aaron Rogers has been argued for years to be the best quarterback in the league, if not the best quarterback ever, most talented quarterback ever, even over Tom Brady, who has six championships.

Some people still believe that and will be a first ballot Hall of Famer and as a Super Bowl champion. I don't like comps, period, but those are very extreme for Tua, even if Tua had never been injured. Yeah, totally great. Those are the two of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. Yeah, that's a little strong. I mean, look, we get it, but, and listen, I really think it just totally depends, as with all these guys, but especially with Joe Burrow and Tua, where they go will determine how successful they are,

because you may love Tua and I may love Burrow, but as we know, the situations that they go into, the pieces they have around him and their development in their early years is really going to determine how we can measure their success. I would say about two, I'd say this about him. He's as accurate, a thrower of the football I've seen in college. In so long, I don't know who compares to him.

Now, I'm not saying greatest arm, greatest size. I do think he could get hurt. But if you're asking me just accuracy, that's the most accurate college quarterback. I have seen in long enough period that I don't have a comp. So that that's the bad. But I don't think he's the greatest pure armed talent. I don't think he's that great of an athlete.

I think he's a good athlete. I don't think he's great. But just throwing the ball, delivering it with a good old line. Yeah, he's really good. He's really good. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Hurd-Lie News. I'm trying to think of, I don't remember, I can't say Drew Brees because I don't remember Drew Brees in college. I mean, I remember, I've seen a lot of YouTube, and I do, I remember Jim Everett at Purdue, for some reason more than Drew Breeze. I don't know if Jim Everett, Purdue was maybe better then. I just know too is accurate. But, listen, if he comes in and year two, he gets banged up and gets hurt, Tony Bisselli just said, I wouldn't draft him. I get it.

I get it. I would, but I get it. That's why the draft's fun. If I'm wrong, you crush me. If Gerald Burrow wins 11 games, you crush me. I'm not into being right. I'm into getting it right. So let's watch and see what happens.

It's fun. But it was right, mostly on Baker. Not going to lie there. That feels pretty good. Jason McIntyre, tomorrow's headlines today. Our final segment, can't wait. Live in L.A., Friday, it's a herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd.

Weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Good to have you in Friday. 10 minutes left on the show. It's absolutely great to have you. This is The Herd live in Los Angeles. Joy Taylor joining me and Jason McIntyre, who I've known for years, created the biglead.com sold it, made a bunch of money.

Decided to come over to Fox where he is living the lifestyle in Southern California. So how, you know, now all the virus stuff and your family's okay? Yeah, we're good. I don't know about the lifestyle, Colin. I got a first grader and a third grader, so I'm just trying to keep them at each other's away from each other's throats. I think we had a phone call last week and my kids just started fighting in the background. I said, dude, I've got to go.

That's the life out here, the lifestyle. All right, so you predict, as a former newspaper guy who had to write headlines, you predict what the headlines will be. It drafts around the corner, the NFL schedules around the corner. So tomorrow's headlines today, what would the headline be for the Rams this season after trading expensive Brandon Cooks? Oh, boy, I know you love the Rams. You have a soft spot for them.

It's been a brutal, brutal, brutal offseason for the Rams. Colin, new stadium, lots of pressure. the headline will be Last Angelus Rams Colin I'm telling you right now listen they're going to the basin in the NFC West this year that's a fact it's happening

now they won't be there long okay McVeigh as we talked about he's innovative he's smart but this feels like one of those transitional years for the Rams okay you know they got to pay Jalen Ramsey coming up they just paid Jared Gough this is a team that really needs to

write the offense and I think they're going to go away from the heavy three four wide receivers, they're going to run the football more now. That sounds crazy when you lose Todd Gurley, but this is a transitional year for the Rams. I do not think good things are ahead for them. You know, by the way, Jared Goughf last year, career high in interception, worst quarterback rating he's had since he became a starter. I don't know, Kyle. I just feel like next year the Rams are headed to the basement. Well, I mean, if you just look at the talent they have lost Brandon Cooks, Marcus Peters, Dante Fowler, Todd Gurley.

Thank God, Andrew Whitworth at left tackle returns. I don't think you're crazy on this. I haven't picked for third. And let's be honest. Right now, the Niners have the coach and the quarterback symmetry. The Seahawks have the coach quarterback symmetry. Jared Goff doesn't have the offensive line protection unless they solve that. They're going to be a pretty marginal offense, so I don't disagree.

Tomorrow's headlines today, what's the headline for the Texans who acquired Brandon Cooks and gave up more draft picks this year? Chief Houston. I don't know what it is in the water in Houston, Colin. The Houston Rockets front office has been very bad. Houston Texans have been very bad. The headline will be the gone Watson. I think Deshaun Watson will go into the office of Bill O'Brien, the head coach, and the GM and say, get me out of you. This is the summer where Deshaun Watson is eligible for a contract extension because he's on his rookie deal. And if I'm Watson, I say thank you, but no thanks. I want out. Okay. this Houston Texans team is a disaster with Bill O'Brien running the show. Okay, first of all, let's just talk about O'Brien, the coach. He's been terrible, okay? He's only got two playoff wins. One was against Connor Cook and the Raiders a couple years ago when Cook filled in for the injured Derek Carr. And then last year, they were getting killed by the Buffalo Bills and they get lucky because of Deshaun Watson and are able to salvage it.

But now Watson looks around. Wait, Chedavian Clowney? Where's he? He's gone. You take away my best receiver and you bring me. back. Brandon Cooks, you know, Cooks has five concussions and six seasons? I mean, that's scary. Will Fuller can't stay on the field. I feel like the Texans are in trouble, and if I'm Watson, I won out of there as fast as possible. Yeah, I was told last year, middle of the year,

the Rams wanted to get out of the Cook contract, Brandon Cook's contract, because concerns that he would retire early with concussions. I'm not sure if the Texans had that intel. But to your point. They've got receivers. Most of them can't stay healthy. Tomorrow's headlines today, what will be the surprise team? We got free agency now all wrapped up in the NFL this year. Well, you know, Colin, I do like offense, but I also like scheduling. And the key for this team is the schedule. Your surprise NFL team this year is hip hip, hip, marae, the Arizona Cardinals with Kyler Murray, hip, hip, hooray, hip, hip, Maray. Like it.

Like it. Yeah. I know. You got it. But anyways, I do believe Arizona is the surprise team. Colin, I do a lot of draft stuff for Fox Sports Digital. I do predictions for the upcoming season. I have the Arizona Cardinals in the playoffs this year.

And if you look at the schedule, they play the AFC East. My New York Jets, the Bills, the Dolphins, and the Tom Brady-Less Patriots. Okay. The Arizona Cardinals are really set up. Remember, they exceeded expectations last year. Nobody thought they were a five-win team. And that was with a rookie coach and a rookie quarterback. Now you add DeAndre Hopkins, who's a top four receiver in the league.

They upgraded the offensive line a little bit. They continue to do that with the eighth pick in the draft. And remember, Patrick Peterson, their best defensive back was suspended for the first six game. He's going to start the season this year. That's huge. I do believe Kenyon Drake, the running back showed well late in the season. You'll have a full year in the system. I'm bullish on the Arizona Cardinals.

That's a buy stock for me. Arizona Cardinals that year in the playoffs. Yeah, the only questions I have is if you face, you know, Kyle Shanahan and Pete Carroll and Sean McVeigh, I still am not sure about the coaching. They were really inconsistent, but I do think they're on the come as they say. I do think it's a buy, not a sell.

Okay, tomorrow's headlines today. What will the headline be for the team that wins the draft? Oh, boy. Well, this is a little speculative, but that's what we do, right? That's what you and I do, radio, TV, all this stuff. the team that wins the draft the headline will be Jimmy's got a little lamb how about that Jimmy Garoppolo wins the draft because he goes out and gets B.D. Lamb the awesome receiver from Oklahoma think about this Colin the 49ers trade de Forrest Buckner on their great defensive line

and they get the 13th pick okay they lose Emmanuel Sanders uh in free agency so now you got uh you know a pretty good offense but one that folded in the second half of the Super Bowl okay and as a guy who had bet the 49ers, you're up 10 in the fourth quarter. That one was heartbreaking. I still don't know how they lost it, and you go back and watch it. Their offense went to sleep. They really did not have the weapons other than Kiddle, the running back for, and the receiving cord needs to be upgraded.

You get C.D. Lamb. This guy's a superstar in the making. Now, I'm not huge on always getting receivers in the first round, but when you've got a top five roster in the league and you're eight to ten minutes away from winning the Super Bowl, you go out and get your quarterback, Jimmy Garoppolo, some help. I love C.D. Lamb 13 to the 49ers. I also think they upgrade the secondary later in the first round.

In my mock draft, I have them getting Antonio Winfield. Antonio Winfield from Minnesota, really good player, playmaker, because as you saw late, Richard Sherman in the secondary, Colin. You can't forget how bad he got beaten the Super Bowl and the playoffs, starting to show his age a bit. I like the 49ers. I know you're friendly with Lynch. You need to send the word 49ers.

I've got going to the Super Bowl in the NSC. I will say this. I thought, you know, it's pretty easy to predict. The dolphins had a lot of cap space, so they had a very productive free agency. The dolphins have 13 picks. I think they're going to win the draft because Miami is just going to have so many good players

in the first four rounds we all watched in college. I will say this, though. Minnesota and Green Bay are very good teams. They're interesting teams. I think Green Bay and, Minnesota could be hyper aggressive in the draft because I don't think Green Bay, I think they have 10 or 11 picks. There's not 11 guys that can draft and make this team. Yeah. My problem with Green Bay, Colin, last year, they got lucky. I believe they were

seven and one in one score games. Historically, year to year, that flip. And you go from seven and one to like two and five. And if you look at their defense, they did virtually nothing to improve a unit that got destroyed by the run. Now, maybe my last memory of them is, Oh, they got destroyed by the Niners, a million to zero, you know, in the first half of the NFC championship game. That defense, they didn't get better. I know you're crushing Aaron Rogers all week, and that's fine. But their defense is my real issue. They can't stop anybody.

Well, they have to upgrade it wide receiver. They've got to find a pairing for Devonthe Adams. They have to figure out, they addressed center last year. Their offensive line, I don't think is as good at certain spots that it's been in pre-year. previous years. And I also think they lost Martinez, the very, very tackling machine, the active linebacker. But they have a lot of picks. Minnesota's well-run. They got a lot of picks. I always look at when you give me a team, like the Chargers have seven picks. They don't have seven guys that can make their roster. Like they literally could use some interior help on the D-line.

They need a quarterback. And they also have a surplus of good corners. So I can see some teams like the Chargers, Minnesota Green Bay, bundling picks to move up and get a lot. a really elite player. I wouldn't be shocked if Green Bay didn't go out and draft two wide receivers for Aaron Rogers. A word of caution on your Vikings. I believe they lost both starting cornerbacks in free agency and their number three quarterback. I'm worried about this Viking team. Stefan Biggs is gone. Their second best pass rushers gone. A transitional year maybe for the Viking. I do like Kirk Cousins. I'm team Kirk Cousins. I like Dalvin Cook, but that defense looks like it could be in need of some major help.

I like their linebackers and their safeties a lot. Jason McIntyre, tomorrow's headlines today. Have a great weekend, bud. Stay safe, pal. I think we did a really good job this week. I hope you enjoyed it. Joy and I, we got through it. Coach Schofsky, if you didn't hear him on the podcast.

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