The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Tyreek Hill Should Teach Us Patience

Episode Date: July 19, 2019

Doug Gottlieb filled in for Colin today, and he reacts to the breaking news in the NFL, as Tyreek Hill will not be suspended a single game and will remain with the Kansas City Chiefs. Jim Harbaugh throws more shade towards Urban Meyer, stating that although he's been successful, controversy has always followed him! Doug gives you his "7 Over Reactions" in the upcoming NFL weeks, is joined by former NFL Center Eric Wood, looks at Tiger Woods performance in the open, and Doug makes you feel old!  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wherever you may be and however you may be listening to the show. Thanks so much for making us part of your day. You're listening on Fox Sports Radio or the IHeart Radio app. I'm Doug Gottlie. Filling in for Colin Coward. And we got massive breaking news in the National Football League, which will

not make Twitter happy. Entourage turns 15 today, 15 years since the old HBO show Entourage began. I'll tell you how that makes me feel. Tiger Woods continues to scuttle at the Open Championship. And apparently the Knicks and the Spurs are at war. Or I tell you, welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb. And I'm actually joining you from Greensboro, North Carolina, where I'm coaching tonight in TBT, that's the basketball tournament, the tournament for $2 million with grown-up, grown men, professional players, many of them overseas guys, some guys that played domestically. We'll get into that a little bit later. But I want to start with the breaking news in the National Football League, which is Tyreek Hill is still a member of the Kansas City Chiefs and will not be suspended a game, not a game, not a practice.

nothing. Nothing. So I, look, the NFL obviously is going to get crushed on social media. It's going to be portrayed as a head in the sand. This is only about football decision. They're going to be portrayed as an organization that has a disconnect between their fan base. And you know what?

I have no idea what Tyreek Hill. and the mother of his child actually did. But I kind of understand this one, right? I kind of get this one. Look, I'm an Oklahoma State alum. Tyreek Hill had arguably the greatest individual play in the history of the Bedlam, we'll call it a rivalry. It's more hammer and nail between the history of the Bedlam rivalry.

his last game as a member of the Oklahoma State Cowboys. They're playing Oklahoma in Norman. Bob Stoops punts. There's a penalty on the defense, on the punt. He chooses to punt again, which is, I mean, it wasn't even hindsight. Even at the time, one of the most bizarre decisions he or any football coach has ever made. He's the best return man in the country. He's proven to be, by most people's.

account, if not the fastest, in the conversation of the fastest players to ever play collegiate or professional football. And Bob Sudes punted to him again, Tyreek Hill took it to the house, and Oklahoma State won the football game. By the way, that's the last time Oklahoma State won. And less than a week later, he was arrested in charge with domestic violence. Same woman, and that's part of this discussion. He had to leave the university. He ended up transferring. Obviously, he was drafted far later than he would have been otherwise, and he has reemerged in the National Football League as not only a dynamic kick returner, but one of the most dynamic receivers in the league today.

You combined his speed, his route running, his pass catching, his versatility, running it out of the backfield, jet sweeps, reverses, just little screen passes to him with his just ability to take the top off of defense. Combine that with the superpowers of the power. of Pat Mahomes, who might well have the strongest and most accurate arm. Like there are strong arms, there are accurate arms. He seems to be both. And then you have an offensive savant like Andy Reid, and it's a match made in heaven.

On the other hand, on the other hand, you have some of the past the Kansas City Chiefs where, you know, they had a player commit suicide a couple years ago. They had to get rid of the NFL's leading rusher because of a domestic violence. violence, you know, domestic violence incident. And then Tyree Kills' own baggage and you have a match made in hell, right? I mean, even going and acquiring Frank Clark this offseason as a free agent who came over from Seattle, who had his own DV issues going back to college before he became a member of the Seattle Seahawks. But this is a very important thing that we have to point out as members of the media.

I wanted to do this for maybe five years ago. Doug Gottliebind for Colin, this is the herd on Fox Sports Radio. I wanted to have fun on a Wednesday. Tuesdays NFL teams have their press conferences. And on a Wednesday, what I wanted to do is have my staff added up some of the things that were said in NFL press conferences. And when taken out of, call it out of context, when taken out of context, guys can say things that come across obtuse, offensive, bizarre. You can cut up audio without changing words but just cut certain sentences out.

And all of a sudden, it becomes almost defaming. And I feel like what we've, what we have today is the NFL saying, hey, we have the full, audio. They've actually had it since April. They've gone over it. And while when I heard what was released from the Can City TV station, when I heard it, I was like, wow, that does not sound good. There wasn't a smoking gun, but when I carried in the bias of what he had pled guilty to at Oklahoma state, what the police had stated, which was, we believe a crime occurred. We just don't know who did it. When I brought in that bias, when I brought in that baggage, I was like, man, they're

going to lose Tyree Kill for four, six, maybe forever. His fiance, or she was his fiance at the time, refused to have an interview with them. They had the full audio. They interviewed him for eight and a half hours in June. and to this point they can prove no wrongdoing. And what this, what to me this says is what I've said on radio, people said to me as kids, as a kid, I've said to my own children,

which is, I don't care how bad something looks, at least be honest with me, answers the questions with me, because sunlight is in fact the greatest disinfectant. I mean, if you go back to why did, why was Mike Vic, why'd Mike Vic go to jail? Like, Mike Vic didn't just go to jail because he was operating a dog fighting ring. Mike Vic went to jail because he was supposed to meet with Roger Goodell. He did. He lied to Roger Goodell's face.

And you continue to lie about it. And once the truth comes out and there are, and there are facts, there are evidence, there's nothing we can do to protect you from the police. Why did Tom Brady get suspended? Look, I didn't agree with the Tom Brady suspension. I have no idea who altered the footballs. But once you destroy a cell phone, once you destroy evidence, you're showing the world that even if your argument is, hey, there's lots of stuff on that cell phone that I don't want getting out. And everything from NFL investigations seems to get out.

But once you do that, you feel like you're not being honest. You're not being up front. And in this particular case, whatever is in the full context of the audio. Like, I've always wanted to cut up audio and make fun of NFL players, NBA players, and I've had friends, like, dude, you just can't do that. And the recorded conversation, while it may not completely expunge him of any sort of wrongdoing, it appears it's not as damaging as we were led to believe. That there's a lot more context to it.

lot more in that conversation. And Twitter does not rule the world. Twitter's not going to be happy. Social media is not going to be happy. But if you think that Roger Goodell in the National Football League, who have been knee-jerk in their protection, smartly so, of their shield, especially in the nationwide and hopefully kind of worldwide fight to protect women against the violence from men, if you think that because Tyreek Hill,

speed and prodigious athletic ability. That's why he's on the field. Like, I got to tell you, I don't see it that way. My guess would be there is nothing there. Like, look, there's literally nothing there. Otherwise, there's no chance the NFL would do this. It's just too risky. They did a thorough investigation, and to this point, they're like, look, we got nothing.

She looks bad, he looks bad. Does it sound bad to say he should be, he should be terrible, terrified of me. But by the way, she put that word in his mouth. There, there, there should be a little bit of healthy fear from a child as well as respect for their parent. I can just be like my wife tells me that all the time that, hey, the kids are a little bit scared to you. That's okay. That's okay. I've never laid a hand on one of my daughters. The other ones gotten smacked on the backside back when she was little. I was a spanking parent, though my wife had, When we first had kids, we're like, we're not going to, actually it was her decision.

We're not going to be the parents that spank. And for the most part, I don't think we have, maybe two or three times ever. I've lost my cool. I've never done anything to the level of that could be construed or misconstrued as being dangerous or, you know, or over the top with my kid. And I grabbed them to get their attention. Yes, I have parented them. It's a hard, hard, hard line to walk. but instead of taking the cut up audio

when we never had the full audio and using the context in which it was supposed to make us feel and I will be completely can't when I heard it I thought man he's done with the chiefs especially considering his own background the guys they've had the issues they've worked through you almost want to credit the NFL for going like

all right let's find out what's real and let's find out what's assumed. And since they can't find anything that's real, they have no choice other than to let him play football and put in the line or two about, like, the investigation is still open. If more information comes out, we reserve the right to act then.

I don't think it's a great moment for the National Football League, but I think it's a good moment for all of us to take a breath and realize that charges and accusations are just that. and that the NFL, an organization, a league that has trying to be extra careful because they know they've botched this thing six times sideways, that the NFL can't find anything. With the information that's been provided, they can't find anything that says he absolutely did it. And with that, they're left with no choice but to let him play football. Doug Gowley bin for Colin, this is the herd crazy stuff. And just from a football perspective, from a non-like human being, and look, I feel bad for any child who has to go through.

If he didn't do anything wrong or he didn't do anything that the level that we thought he should be charged with or he should be suspended for or whatever, I still feel for the kid because he's in a home situation that's so toxic that his mom would try and set up his dad to admit to abusing him. when he didn't like there's there's no win for the kid either the dad is violent towards the kid the dad and the mom are violent towards the kid or the mom thinks so little of the dad that she wants to uh she wants to set up the dad to make it look like

he did something wrong and he should be charged with a crime like either way the kid loses all right coming up next Speaking of the truth getting exposed, Jim Harbaugh rattled the cages of Urban Meyer and Ohio State and Florida football. Was he wrong? We'll discuss next. I'm Doug Gottlie. This is The Herd.

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And we all kind of go back together to the old place. And Goulet, you can appreciate this, that Klug came up with something. you're familiar with what the what the Tyson zone is right Tyson zone i believe is a bill Simmons coin phrase we'll give credit to everybody who used to work at the old place bill Simmons came up with the Tyson zone and the idea of the Tyson zone is there is no story about Mike Tyson that you wouldn't believe to be true if you said like Mike Tyson once tried to get on the space shuttle to fly to space He'd be like, yeah, I could see that.

I can see that. You know, Mike Tyson once punched a bear right in the mouth. Like, I could, I could see that, right? Mike Tyson, there's so many crazy Mike Tyson stories that are apparently true that there isn't a Mike Tyson story that you wouldn't believe to be true. That's the Tyson zone. So my old producer is a SEC alum, the Georgia alum to be exact. so he's long-suffering Georgia fan. So he coined this phrase, the Spurrier zone.

Because generally, this time of year back when Steve Spurrier was the head ball coach. By the way, if you hear a radio host say old ball coach, they actually don't know what they're talking about. He had HBC on all his gear, but head ball coach. that the head ball coach would say things that were from the heart, were honest, and he just got past the point of actually caring. And because he had won a Heisman trophy,

won a national championship. Heck, even taking San Carolina to Atlanta, the SEC championship game, that's just like winning national title. The headball coach was in the Spurrier zone. Like he could say like, man, we should love playing Georgia first game in the season. They always had a couple of guys suspended.

And you know what? He was right. Maybe, maybe, maybe. It's because he won a national championship. He won a Heisman trophy. He'd won at Duke. And he had a kind of a way about him, which was enjoyable. And he was at a certain age where he didn't actually care.

But it does feel like Jim Harbaugh is kind of the latest. and Saban has a little bit of this, but it's not as enjoyable. There's not the humor with it. There's not the smile of the smirk or walking around at the first day at two days with his shirt off. So Jim Harbaugh, leading up to Big Ten Media Days, offered this up in regards to Urban Meyer. And he said, you know, and I'm kind of quoting verbatim here, that Urban Meyer's been incredibly successful. remarkable record, but controversy has followed him everywhere he's been. This is Jim Harbaugh.

Rubber Myers had a winning record, really phenomenal record everywhere he's been, but also controversy follows everywhere he's been. Now, in fairness, I don't believe controversy followed him at Bowling Green. I don't believe controversy followed him at Utah, but we knew what he was talking about. I mean, it's a Florida squad that had all kinds of off the field issues, but also had Tim Tebow, right? Like you had the, I mean, like when you put a, when you put asparagus spears next to a steak, right?

I mean, Tebow is the asparagus beers and the steak, although delicious, because of how it's cooked in butter and with fat, like it's ultimately going to kill you, which was the Carlos Dunn-Labstah, Aaron Hernandez's, the rainy kid as well. I mean, he had, he ran the gamut. And then, of course, at Ohio State, there was the domestic violence accusations

against his former assistant and what he knew and why he hired him back at Florida and what he did about it. Now, the first thing is, we should point out that he didn't say he was a dirty recruiter, although you could, if you wanted to take that leap, you could. And he didn't say that he had,

had done, Urban Meyer had done anything in particular wrong. He simply said, everywhere he's been, he's won, and controversies followed him. I kind of feel like that's inarguable. I can defend Urban Meyer for his actions last year, if you'd like, and I'll point out that Irvb Meyer now works for Fox, of course, and Fox is a new pregame show, and he's going to cover Jim Harbaugh, and he's going to have plenty of opportunities, if you would like to have a a tort or if he'd like not like not to that's part of taking taking that job is he'll have a hot mic he'll be able to say whatever he'd like but this is seen as controversial and it really isn't

it's actually inarguable he has had a great record and his two spots where stops where he won a national championship they have been controversial that's it there's nothing more to it now harbaugh goes on to say, like, look, we have goals and our goals to win multiple championships, but also to run a world-class program where we don't have these issues. And to Harbaugh's credit, there haven't been the controversial off

the field things. But the only things you can criticize Jim Harbaugh about is hell he can't be in Ohio State. And he does some goofy things in recruiting. But the goofy things in recruiting seem to be working because it's a much better program than one he inherited. And the only

thing missing. Remember last year was the redemption tour where they marched in and, you know, beat Michigan State, marched in and beat Penn State. And they were beating a hell out of people. But they did lose Ohio State and they did lose another name. I mean, somehow because Harbaugh hasn't beaten Ohio State, this is seen as sour grapes. And maybe it is. But if you actually look at it, he's not saying anything, which anyone can argue otherwise, unless you want to go with the, well, you know, Bowling Green or at Utah, I guess fine. He did a great job at Utah.

He did a great job at Bowling Green. No one will ever argue with Irbyer. Has been next to Nick Sabin and, frankly, alongside Nick Sabin. Those are the two most successful coaches so far of this generation of college football. Dabo is quickly catching up. And Harbaugh would like to be mentioned that conversation. But winning a couple national titles of Florida,

winning one at Ohio State, being consistently successful and dominating the Michigan rivalry. Like, it's beyond reproach on the football field. But it's not without controversy. And I fail to see how that's arguable. And in many ways, Jim Harbaugh, if he can win a title,

now a sudden, we would recognize, the things he says, the quirkiness, the honesty, the I don't give a, you know what, Harbaugh has always been tiptoeing around, he would fully enter in that spur your zone. Where you can say what you want, however you want, about who you want, and just be a complete honest salesman because, well, Harbaugh played college, pro, brought San Diego to prominence, took over a team. that didn't win a game at Stanford and left them as competitive to win a national championship. Same thing with the San Francisco 49ers and would do the same thing with Michigan. Because of his success, because of what he did as a player and as a coach, and like Spurrier at his alma mater, he would enter the Spurrier zone.

Spurrier got away with it because, well, hell, you know, I, maybe it's because he's Southern. It was charming. Spurier wasn't even successful in the pros, whereas Harbaal was. But it's also because he's won a national championship in college. Let's get you to John Goulet with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Doug Dwight Howard was on fair game with Christine Leahy on FS1 yesterday,

and he talked about the time Kobe Bryant called him soft. This is the year he was with the Rockets after his one pretty disappointing season with the Lakers. Take a listen to this. He had a comment about me being soft. And I think for years, I kind of hated him for saying that because I looked at it the wrong way. I think he was more so talking about my mentality, not my physique or not, you know, how I, how I am on the court. Like your edge. Like my edge.

And I didn't realize that because of the noise surrounding him saying I was saw. And, you know, I hated him for that moment. So if you're paying attention to that, what he's basically saying is he was angry. and not even as offended as he should have been. Because he thought, like, Kobe was insulting his physique and said he was actually just insulting him as a man. What is your reaction to that from Dwight Howard? I don't know what the physique has anything.

Like, who thought his physique was soft? That's the one criticism you can't make of Dwight Howard. He was always been huge. There's an expression in sports. It goes like this. Body like Tarzan plays like Jane, right? and I think that's that was more what

he was saying and yes of course he was talking about his mentality he was talking about like look dude you got all these muscles you got muscles upon muscles but you don't actually do anything with him I don't know anyone who thought he was talking about his physique I listened to that interview

I thought Christine did a good job of weaving in and out of it like he came out and said he's not some guy apparently and I didn't even know some guy accused him apparently being gay and he said he didn't even know the guy and like in a lawsuit. Dwight Howard has some internal pain, but my thing with Dwight Howard was

he was KD before KD. He was the first to listen to everybody's criticism of him because he did play with a ton of joy and smile on a smile on his face. But then when things went bad, he listened to all of the whispers and he was so busy reacting to the whispers he couldn't play anymore.

Actually, a buddy of mine, Gail and Young, was drafted by the Bucks, and he's now a college coach. He actually just reached out to me and he's like, is Dwight Howard a Hall of Famer? Yeah, I think he is. I mean, he's three-time defense player of the year, eight-time rebounding champ. Like, yeah, before he heard his back, he was the most dominant big guy in the league. And granted, the league has changed a ton. But in the context of that time, he was unbelievable.

But this guy, his mentality was so screwed up that he actually thought, The idea that he thought Kobe was talking about his body when nobody thought no one would ever question his body as being soft is one of the most bizarre tangents I've ever heard. I wonder if, because I don't think I'm breaking any news here, that those interviews on Fair Game are recorded. I wonder if maybe at the time he was thinking he might sign with the Lakers. So he was just trying to show how he's cool with Kobe now because he knows that Kobe has a lot of pull. obviously since then he's not going to be signing with the Lakers. But he's still, what's odd to me is he's still

like kind of statistically a good player, but nobody wants him because everything has moved away from that style of play that he does. Well, there's a, there's a bunch of things. One, yes, he is a player of a foregone era, right? He's the, he's the hummer

of the NBA. Now he's like, you know, back in 2004, 2005, you had a Hummer and you're rolling down the street. You're like, that's a cool car. Now everybody's like, they don't even make those anymore, which is exactly what Dwight Howard is.

In addition to which, he just struggles to get along socially with guys in the NBA. He just, he's so aloof and so bizarre. I had a coach tell me that they did some background on thinking about bringing Dwight Howard in last year.

And remember the Wizards brought him in last year. And another coach told me like, there wasn't anyone they could call that had something good to say about him. It wasn't that he was an awful guy, but there was no one who said like, you know what, he's awesome. No one said that.

And when you get, you know, reputations are earned. So Baker Mayfield did a long interview with ESPN this week, and we keep seeming to find more and more content in it to pick from it. When asked about OBJ leaving the Giants in a trade to the Browns, he said, quote, he's here to play in front of fans who actually, care who will actually show up to every game and pack the stadium and love him for who he is.

Kind of an out of nowhere shot at the Giants fans, don't you think? Yes. What's the win in that? It's just to just say we have the best fans in the world, right? Every player who's ever played for a team has the best fans in the world, even though they're not the best fans in the world. And plenty of brown seats are, you know, when they only won, when they didn't win a game for a year, there are plenty of seats available. And I do think that the Browns have a great fan base. They do.

But so do the Giants. And, you know, how many years can the Giants be bad at the end of the season when eventually you don't show up? It's just, it's just Baker being Baker. He's talking out of his rectum. He literally has zero idea what he's discussing. I mean, this is, he did the same thing with the day. Duke Johnson thing, you know, you don't want to be with us. Like, hey, Duke Johnson's like,

yo, one, I'm still in the team, two, he's got friends in the locker room, and three, this is the league. Like, in the league, if there's three guys at your spot, I got to get out of here is where I can get touches, where I can get yards, so I can get paid. What are you talking about? But Baker has no idea what he's talking about. This is Baker-Mayfield

Playbook. And I will tell you, Baker-Mayfield, I've told Colin this for two years. He's a great leader. Guys in his locker room generally love him, because everything he says, everything he does in his mind, in his way, is simply to protect his team, his fans, and that's it.

And this is just another case of trying to promote Cleveland having their greatest fans on Earth while defaming the Giants fans who have no effect on him because he's never going to play for the Giants. It doesn't really matter. The only defense I could come up with is, is it possible that O'Dell wanted him to say that?

That this was fed to him as like, hey, take a, you know what I mean? Or is this something that maybe O'Dell expressed as something that bothered him in New York and Baker is just becoming the, hey, give me all your problems, and I will voice them for you. I don't know. Sometimes Baker Mayfield should follow the old adage. It's better to remain silent, be thoughtful than the speak and move all doubt.

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John Middukov joins us. Were you a Khalid Alameen fan? Oh, he's joined us now. I'm sorry. I introed him. All right. So we'll catch up with John Middokoff. and we'll find out Tyreek Hill not being suspended. How big is that? And wait to hear what John Elway said about Joe Flacco.

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Doug Otleyman for Colin, this is the herd on a Friday. Lots to talk about the National Football League, running backs, overvaluing themselves, or at least presumably overvaluing themselves. Tyreek Hill won't be suspended even a preseason game or practice, despite the accusations of domestic violence by the mother of his child. And, of course, we have John Elway saying, don't worry, we finally got this right. We have Joe Flacco as our quarterback. Let's welcome in John Middokoff, who.

who joins us. Three and out is the podcast and the Herd Podcast Network. He's a former NFL scout. Let's start with running backs. Obviously, there's two very different running backs. Melvin Gordon was the first one to come out and say like, hey, you know what? If I don't get what I want, I'm

going to sit. Now, for people who don't know, Gordon's different than Levi-on-Bell because he's under contract. This is the fifth year of his rookie deal. He'd make $5 million in change. The Chargers made him an offer that he did not feel was respectable. and so he continues to threaten to sit,

although obviously he hasn't missed anything as of yet. What are your thoughts on Melvin Gordon and the ground he stands on trying to hardline negotiate with the Chargers? Yeah, I mean, I think he has, you know, some solid footing. Their team with Super Bowl aspirations, their team built to win right now, and he's one of their key Cogs, you know, on their team. They drafted him high.

He's done everything they've asked in terms of being a good guy. Now, he's battled some injuries. The things he has going against him is he battled some injuries. Like you said, they've extended an offer. So it's not like they're unwilling to pay them, but there is, I think you have to be prudent in terms of you can't overpay these running backs, especially a guy with an injury history because we see what it has done to the rant. And let's face it, Todd Gurley is a much superior player. And at the time you paid them, you felt better about that.

Now it looks way worse a little bit later, but I don't know. I mean, I'll be shocked if they don't give them some sort of little kicker, but what if he doesn't take it? I mean, they have a lot of other guys to pay on this team that, you know, I think you'd argue that are much more important, given how hard it is to replace them. So I don't know. I mean, the Chargers have a history of being a little cheap, being a little tight with money. I mean, we've seen the payouts from the media rights. we know all these teams have the cash, but you do have to be smart about how you allocate it,

and I'd say paying a running back, even one that you draft in the first round, you know, can get you in trouble. Yeah, look, I think what's interesting is everyone wants to use, he wants to use the Todd Gurley deal, but the Todd Gurley deal looks like a bad contract, and if you want to use the Levyon Bell contract, you just can point out, hey,

Levy on Bell contract so bad, the GM who signed it got fired shortly thereafter. Like those, those may seem like comps for, for your house, if you will, but those are not quality comps. And if you're the Chargers, you were able to win without them. You've offered him a deal. I've been told it was in the $10 million a year variety for the first couple of years in the mid-20s in terms of guaranteed money.

Or he could roll the dice, play for five and a half. They could franchise tag him. He'd make roughly $18 million over the next two years. So they're in kind of lies their bump. And he has to decide, do I want to show up? or not, and if I don't, unlike Levi-on-Bell, there's fines that they can levy because he's under contract. For sure.

I mean, a couple of years ago, maybe it was last year, it might have been two years ago. They gave the Atlanta Falcons gave Devante Freeman, looking right now about $22 million. So that's a little less than the guarantees that Levion got. But ever since they gave him that contract, he's been injured. He struggled to stay on the field.

And that's not $22 million, you know, in pro sports guaranteed, isn't that much. But again, when it's a running back and then that player, you know, you go, you play two seasons and he only plays 20 games, that's a problem, you know, and that's the biggest issue. You know, for the most part, you know an offensive lineman, you know a defensive lineman, you know a wide receiver, are probably going to be there. With these running backs, at any moment, you look up with their game logs and they've played nine of 16 games. When you've allocated a lot of cash to them, that hurts. He's only been healthy one of the last four years. years and you don't get healthier as you get older, right? No one gets healthy. All right, what about

Ezekiel Elliott? The Cowboys are trying to navigate the DAC thing. Now, Zeke's like, hey, I want mine. How does that end up? I think this is pretty simple. You know, Doug, you have kids, and I talked about this on my podcast. If your son gets in trouble at school, he doesn't ask that day to go play with his friends. Like Zeke, you just got in trouble, and you've been in trouble countless times. Like, I don't think this is the right time to kind of take a hardline stance of you need some more cash. Like, just lay low.

You know, Jerry's had your back every step of the way. You were the number, you know, number four overall pick. He got $24 million. And, Doug, his fifth year option next year is $9 million, like the money that all these guys want. So at the end of his five years as a first round pick, he'll have made almost $34 million. And again, Jerry Jones is his biggest supporter who when that draft room wanted to take Jalen Ramsey, he's like, no, I want Zeeke. And then he, I mean, two years ago when Zieg got suspended, he went toe to toe with the commissioner, and Jerry was ticked off. So I don't understand if you're Zique, it's one thing if you're playing for Belichick and you know at any moment he can get rid of you and doesn't care about you.

That's not the case here. Like, Zeke, this guy, you know, is going to like you more in the NFL than any other GM or any other coach in the league. He's got your back. You know he wants to pay you. Plus, you know he's the guy cutting the check, so he will pay you. But come on, bro. You just, you know, you're acting like an idiot in Vegas. Now, it wasn't a suspendable offense, but you caused Jerry a headache and you had to go see the commissioner.

Just to even let this leak out that you're thinking about it to me is a borderline embarrassment. and I know the media now is so pro player, but this should be universally kind of, you know, the stance on this one from our perspective should be, come on, Zique, you're in the wrong here, buddy. Yeah, yeah, this is the guy who's, who just got caught in an uncomfortable situation with another woman, then going to his wife and saying,

hey, what do you think about a guy's trip, a guy's golfing trip? And she's like, no, now is, now is not, now is not the time. off our guest, three now is the podcast. I feel like the NFL, not punishing Tyreek Hill, tells you they got nothing. That the audio,

though uncomfortable and led many of us to believe that something bad happened, in the full audio, has to either vindicate him or have no smoking gun in it. Because we've seen them suspend guys for what they assumed to have happened, why do you think the NFL to this point has walked away, put the gun

back in the holster in terms of how they're handling Tyreek heel in the domestic violence case? Well, I know this. I know the chief people pretty well, and they are, they were very, very confident. Two things with Tyreek. Obviously, what happened when he was at Oklahoma State, you know, they took a chance on him. But ever since they've had him, they think he has been nothing but a model kid. Like they sign off on him. They go to the matter. forum where if you talk to them about Kareem Hunt, they thought it was the opposite. So when this happened, they believed everything he was telling them. And my take was always simple. Like I think most people with common sense, if he did it, he should go to jail. But if he didn't,

you know, sometimes the way it snowballs on social media can be uncomfortable with us just saying this guy's guilty before none of us know. But I think your question about the NFL, I don't know. It doesn't make much sense because it doesn't. does feel like they've nailed a lot of people who have also been in a position where, you know, it's just kind of unclear. Now, you know, obviously a lot of people have stood before Roger and said they were innocent and he still suspended them. So I do understand the people that go, well, this doesn't make any sense. It doesn't add up. I would, I would tend to agree. I don't quite get it. Because you would assume even if they were unclear and they couldn't get her to testify in front

the league, which obviously she has zero legal ramification to talk to Roger Goodell. She doesn't have to do that. But you think they just give him like a two-gamer, you know, for basically just putting your name, you know, in front of the league. I mean, Ruben Foster Doug, he's obviously injured now, but the time when last year at Tampa Bay, when his ex-girlfriend came and she claimed he hit her, which proved to be another lie, they still, they docked it. They didn't suspend him, but just for getting arrested at the team hotel, again,

on something he did not do, they took away two game checks. So there's not really much consistency with Roger Goodell. I would say this one's a little head scratcher. I would have assumed, even if they thought he was innocent, just for dragging the name of the shield, you know, through the headlines, he'd get a couple games. So big win for the Chiefs. I mean, I'd say non-quarterback, you could argue he's the best offensive player in the league.

I mean, he's an unstoppable force. So from a football perspective, this is a pretty big guy. game changer for the NFL. No question. No question. And combined with Pat Mahomes and that offense, completely changing the dynamic of that team. And that week one last year against the Chargers was just like, couldn't stop him.

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but he'll say like man you know I'm going to Utah next Friday why don't you come like because I'm filling in for you Colin kind of hard to do so yeah there's been a few we should have a big we should have a staff out in Utah

Right. Sure. Let me just line up to pay for all of that so I can come join you at your house. No bagel Friday today at the Fox lot because we're not on the Fox lot, or at least I'm not in the Fox slot. Doug Gawley been for calling the IHeart Radio app for Fox Sports Radio. My man Eric Wood, who last year was his first year being retired. Now is going to cover college football for the ACC Network. We'll join us upcoming in 15 minutes. We will talk a little bit of ACC football, but a lot of NFL. Because, of course, for a decade, he was a tremendous offensive line in the league.

So I'm sitting here thinking, guys are reporting now to training camp. I'm taking my show to the Rams camp on the 29th of July. That's a week from Monday. Like, it's basically here. Summer for football players is kind of over. And it happened really fast. We're almost to August. August is training camp.

is hard knocks, is preseason games, is the hype machine, and once we get to September, it gets real. And that realness in September, is not really what it would seem. But that doesn't stop us from covering it this way, right? So what we did was we put together what we think there'll be seven overreactions upcoming in seven weeks. We're seven weeks away from the NFL.

Week one of the season starts. September 5th is a Thursday, so that's seven weeks from last night. And September 8th is, of course, the first Sunday of NFL games. Packers, Bears, 100th year of the NFL, longest rivalry in the NFL will open the season. Kind of makes sense. You got some amazing matchups, right? From Colts taking on the Chargers, which I love. Rams taking on the Panthers.

what will Cam Newton's arm look like, assuming that he's back. Atlanta and Minnesota, two teams that are consistently hyped. And the culmination, of course, on Sunday night is New England without Lavin Bell, without Antonio Brown, taking on, excuse me, Pittsburgh without Laveon Bell, without Antonio Brown, taking on the defending champion, New England Patriots. That's a good Sunday. Any Sunday that begins with that begins with, that begins with, the Rams and Panthers, Titans and Browns,

Chiefs and Jaguars, and ends with Patriots and Steelers, that's a good day. That's a really good day. But this is what we do in the NFL. We massively overreact to one game. Like one of the things the college football season allows us to do, there'll be some early season games that are really,

the first week of games, but we do. We're like, well, you know, they're college kids. There's no preseason games. They're still figuring out. And then they have a couple of games against Sisters of the Poor. And then we get to real football when it builds up. And generally, the teams that you thought were good, Alabama and Clemson, were going to be good.

And they'll be good at the end. The only question is, can they beat the Georges of the world? You know, can they win the semifinals? Who comes out of the Big 12 between Oklahoma and Texas and, et cetera, and Michigan and Ohio State? but in the NFL, because there's so much turnover year to year, week to week, we overreact. Seven weeks from now, there are seven things that we're going to overreact to. Remember last year, it was Aaron Rogers and an improbable comeback on Sunday night football against the same bears.

Kaleel Mack, after being traded, was ridiculous in the first half, but then he seemed to run out of gas. This year's game is in Chicago, but this year's game, they won't have, no one will have seen Matt LaFleur's offense combined with Aaron Rogers and the Green Bay Packers before that Thursday night game. Like, they're not going to show anything in the preseason. And so a fully healthy Aaron Rogers with a wide receiving core, which has yet another year to evolve, a defense in the second year in the Mike Patton system, on the road against the Bears,

a team who he has consistently, no matter how good or bad the Bears are dominated, seven weeks from now, Matlin Floor is going to be a genius. What an incredible hire. I like, look, the time where Aaron Rogers' leadership and evolution will be challenged will be when they face adversity,

when he plays poorly, when the offense six weeks in gets figured out, when people have tape on what they're doing with Aaron Rogers within that system. But week one is not that week. With no book on Rogers inside that offense, Roger against the Bears and a Bears defense, which, by the way, lost their defensive coordinator to the Denver Broncos. It feels like seven weeks from now, we're going to be sitting here going, see, Matt LaFleur was a great hire.

He knows Sean McVeigh, and that makes him a great coach. seven weeks from now, it feels like we're going to call the Patriots dynasty over for the 5th, 6th, 8th time. Now, look, a realist will point out that it wasn't just Brady, but Brady, Breeze, and other older quarterbacks like a Philip Rivers

faded down the stretch. It is the same Tom Brady, who threw two and what should have been three interceptions against Kansas City Chiefs. Like, he did not perform well, late in the season up to his own standards. And whether it's father time or the fact they don't have a great receiving core, they've lost Rob Grencowski.

They've lost guys in the defensive side of the football, going up against the Steelers team that this is their Super Bowl. This is their, this will be their chance to prove that they're a better team, in spite of the fact they don't have as much talent without Levy on an Antonio Brown. And the Patriots always seem to come out of the gate slowly because they, use the first four weeks as extended training camp. Whether it was Detroit last year or Kansas City a couple years ago, how many times have seen the Patriots get dismantled early in season where you go, all right, now is the time

I'm selling my Patriot stock. Knowing full well, they get the bills twice, the Jets twice, the Dolphins twice, and ultimately they'll be in the playoffs and they'll be fine. But the power running offense is designed for late in the year. They are built to win in the playoffs, much like Shaq was never in. shape in the regular season. Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, though they will pretend to care

and will learn a lot from it, seven weeks from now, we're going to be saying the Patriot's dynasty's over. Seven weeks from now, I kind of feel like Ryan Fitzpatrick will have once again proved the skeptics wrong. Maybe Josh Rosen is the starting quarterback

as they take on the Baltimore Ravens, where you have two of last year's rookies going up against each other. But Fitzpatrick has been a guy who consistently has shown that in short doses, he can light up the league. But in longer doses, he's Ryan Fitzpatrick. Fitzmajcich eventually wears out and the backup comes in or the starter comes back and he's the better quarterback.

It happened in Tampa last year. The last time he had a long-term contract was with Buffalo. We know how that ended. Ryan Fitzpatrick, week. one of the season feels like a locked up cinch if he can win the start that he'll throw for 400 yards and will somehow say that we were all wrong about Fitzpatrick when if you've watched him when the case studying Ryan Fitzpatrick is always the same a couple of really good games he starts to force things his lack of arm strength tends to come back and get him now he's playing

outdoors unlike week one of the season last year we played indoors granted the warm weather helps him because of his age, but ultimately he gets exposed and against the Ravens defense, which lost all of their dynamic pass rushers. Seven weeks from now, we're going to say, man, just too much scoring in this league. We have gotten away from what football is about. Too much scoring, too much throwing, not enough running in the football, defense doesn't matter because the rules are all set up for the offense. The offenses will be ready to go.

younger quarterbacks will be throwing the ball and getting rid of it more quickly, only having half the field. But we'll have ridiculous numbers because early in the season, they call everything on the defense, everything. Every pass interference or even ones that aren't called can now be reviewed. Every amount of contact close to the head or using the head will be penalized. Every defensive hold will be called. Why?

Because in order to get a. attention in order to grasp the fans, the fantasy football fans, the first month, two months of the season is about offense. Offense wins games, defense wins championships. Oh, seven weeks from now, we're going to say Leveon Bell's out of shape, right? It doesn't just feel that way. They take it on the Buffalo Bills, playing at home, first week of the season, and Leveon won't look like his old Leveon self.

Or maybe he will, but it's really hard for Levyon Bell, who likes to get to the line of and yawn and take a nap and then make a cut to play that way when you're not used to playing with Levyon Bell and he might not have the burst having had a year and a half off of football. The idea that a guy who hasn't taken a snap in a year and a half, who chose not to go to OTAs, who will likely not get many carries in the preseason will somehow be sharp as attack week one of the season seems hard to believe. He may have fresh legs, but he won't be fresh cutting the football. Leveon Bell will say he's a complete bust, even though at the end of the day, he'll find a way if he stays healthy to put up yards, to figure it out. They'll find

ways to get him the football. Adam Gase will make it work. Maybe he's overpaid. But without a great offensive line, without a ton of knowledge of how to play with him, and without playing football for a year and a half, Leveon's not going to be sharp. No one is. We're not going to be sharp. no one is when they have that much of a layout. And lastly, don't we think that Cliff Kingsbury is going to look like a genius? Don't we just assume that a new offensive system with a new young quarterback,

where they're going to fire it up and fire the football, whether or not they win, whether or not it's sustainable, won't seem to matter to those of us in the media. We will overreact and say the Patriots are done and Levion's out of shape that Matt LaFleur is a genius, but Cliff Kingsbury Air Raid style week one, it'll work because people won't have seen it. But much like young quarterbacks or even starting pitchers,

it's the second time around where people figure you out. Seven weeks from now will overreact to the NFL. We always do it. I do it. Colin does it. You do it as fans? We do it on every network. And those are my seven guesses on what will happen.

Doug Gottlie, been for Colin, this is the herd. Eric Wood's going to join us upcoming next. We'll do a little NFL and get his thoughts on what the hell is Baker Mayfield

talking about? What is Baker Mayfield talking about? I'm also going to ask him, no one's discussed the bills. They made a dramatic draft pick going back a year ago. What will they look like in year two?

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Doug Gottlieb in for Colin, this is The Herd. Um, I thought this is the perfect guy to have on today as we get ready for NFL training camps. He was part of it for, he's part of the league for a decade. Decade in the last year because of a neck injury, right? He had to retire. And, well, I mean, just watching his kind of evolution transformation. Now he was just named an analyst for the ACC network, obviously with his, with his background,

having played in college at Louisville and now getting a chance to cover what, I think most would hope would be the Reformation of Louisville football. Eric Wood, joins us here in the herd. Woody, your first camp as a pro, you're 20, what, 23 years old at a college?

What do you remember is your first camp? My first camp, we had the Hall of Fame game, so we had an extra week of camp that little bonus week. And I was the first rounder back when all first rounders pretty much had to hold out. The contracts weren't slotted like they are now. And shoot, the bill didn't even start negotiating with me until, I believe, until camp started.

So I missed the first week. I was sitting in Orchard Park, bored out of my mind at my apartment, tell my agent to give me a deal. And so I showed up after about a week and did pretty well. I felt like early in camping that we go to play the Hall of Fame game and we go to play the Titans. And I had a couple welcome to the NFL moments in that first pre-term. season game. They played their backup, so I had a DM lined over me at a three technique. It worked me a couple good times in Passpro. We threw an interception. I got blasted. My helmet came off. My shoe fell off on the play. It was a fun one.

From a humble beginnings go you. Now, Fitz, your first camp, Fitzpatrick was a backup, right? Wasn't Trent Edwards maybe the start? Well, who is the starter your first year to start the season? Yep, it was Trent Edwards, and we had switched to the no-huddle offense. A lot of turmoil. We fired our offensive coordinator, actually, after our last pre-season game, so that we went into the regular season with a new offense, and it was pretty tumultuous. And then we go to play New England in the opener at New England on Monday night,

and really should have beat him. And Leotis McElvin fumbles that kickoff, if you remember that game. And, you know, we start the season 0-1. We had some high hopes, but ended up missing the playoffs and keeping that streak alive. Okay, so why couldn't Ryan Fitzpatrick sustain the success? Because he took over that year, and he's pretty good. And the next year, you guys struggled, and eventually you guys drafted E.J. Manuel, and he was out. But that was the longest tenure that he had.

Why couldn't Fitzpatrick sustain his success? You know, some was, say, a lack of talent around him. You could name it on a number of things, but Fitz is super smart. He's aggressive. You know, at the time, we just didn't have very good teams. You know, if we had a better defense in 2011, we had a great offense that year, and Fitz put up great numbers, you know, we have a better defense to make the playoff. You know, I think he remains the starter there.

But, you know, I'm a huge Ryan Fitzpatrick fan. I think everybody is that's played with him. and I would imagine that's part of the reason he's bouncing around and getting starting gigs. I think it'll be an NFL record if he starts and throws a pass for the dolphins at any point this season. So really rooting for my boy fits down in Miami this year. Okay, so here's a hard question because I think you're working with EJ. Manuel is going to work with the ACC network. But EJ comes in and he never really lived up to the billing. How long does it take the line, the opposite?

offense to know if you got a dude? You know, that's such a tough call. You know, E.J. comes in, and we were supposed to have Kevin Cobb on the roster who was going to be the starter, let E.J. grow under him. Well, he got a concussion in his third preseason game, which ended in his career. E.J., in that same game, tears up his knee, and I believe he tore us meniscus. In our fourth preseason game, we rested Jeff Toul, an undrafted three agent because he was likely going to be the day one starter.

that year, a torn minuscus, you know, just a or even a veteran star. First round guy you're expected, unfortunately, for EJ, it didn't work out in Buffalo, and then once you kind of start bouncing around, he went to Oakland, was a backup there, and then was in Kansas City this offseason before he decided just to kind of transition to the media side and move on to the ACC Network. Eric Wood, joining us, a longtime Buffalo Bill, now an analyst for the ACC Network. I do want to call on your ACC Network skills. in a moment. Obviously, you were, you were around the Bills last year. You had expectations

to play for the Bills last year. What's your, what's your assessment after watching Josh Allen for a year? And actually, I'm going to be the Bills radio analyst this year as well. So kind of double-dipping college football on Saturdays and then head wherever Buffalo is playing for Sunday and call their games. And, you know, I really love, I can do a lot with his legs. But I think the Bills want him to do a whole lot more with his arm this year and not to, take as many shots, stay in the pocket more. They added some weapons. They added a ton up front for him.

And I really like his game. And now in this year, too, with the same offensive coordinator back, Brian Dayball, hopefully get some continuity with these new receivers, new O-Line, and really take a step forward. You know, when you take a quarterback in the top 10, you're kind of all in on him. But, you know, Matt Barkley backing him up.

It's been around the league, has some experience to really pour into him. And hopefully he'll take a step. big step this year. How is he accurate enough? Like that was that was the big question. He can throw it a mile. He's got a great body, great athlete. Is he accurate enough? You know, and

that'll be, that'll be a question mark heading into this year because that time last year, and I believe last year he progressed in his accuracy. And I think a lot of accuracy in the NFL comes from anticipation, time, and continuity with receivers. You know, you put Josh Allen out on

football field and don't throw through a hoop. You know, most quarterbacks in the NFL are probably pretty similar in a drill similar to that. Now you take a top, a guy like Tom Brady and he knows exactly where his receiver is going to sit. Now he demands those guys as well. So that's part of it. But Tom knows exactly where he wants the receiver to sit. The guy sits right there and he puts it right on his chest. You know, there's been time, you know, through my time with the bills where we go into a season with another new offense, with another new set of receivers, and you see quarterback accuracy issues. And sometimes it's an air and throw. And other times,

it's just a lack of communication and lack of continuity. You mentioned lack of continuity. You told me this once, Eric Wood, joining us. How many head coaches did you play for? Seven head coaches in nine years. Now, that includes two interims. Rex got fired mid-season, and so did Dick Dron. Seven head coaches in nine years and probably just as many offensive coordinators.

Probably more offensive coordinators, right? I mean, you had one get fired in the preseason, so there's two in that year. I mean, probably more. But it's a catch-22, right? Sometimes you hire a guy and he doesn't have it, and you've got to get rid of him. On the other hand, there's no way to know maybe fully if he has it or if he can fix it because you don't give him unless you give him more time.

But if you give him more time, it only snowballing gets worse. Absolutely. And that's where at times I'm glad I wasn't the one making those decisions. But, you know, I talked to Tom Brady after a game one time probably two or three years ago, and he was talking about how, you know, Josh McDaniels was back. but even when Josh was gone, they were running a similar offense.

So every year they're installing the same offense, and they bring a lot of guys back year to year, and then, you know, his running back coach was there for 20 years. Dante Scarnacchio, their offense blonde coach, he was away for a year or two. He comes back. He was with his 18th year, I think, with Tom Brady at the time. You know, when you have a staff like that, now, granted, those are all excellent coaches, but when you have a staff like that and you continue to build,

now you know exactly where guys are supposed to be. Everybody knows exactly what they're doing. It just makes it easier to go out and perform on Sunday. Last thing in regards to the NFL, how do the Patriots do it defensively? Because a lot of their personnel is not big-name personnel, and for years they haven't had a ton of playmakers on the defensive side of the football. But for nine years, you went against the Patriots to very, very limited success.

But you knew what you were looking at. at defense plea. What is the secret to that sauce? You know, it sounds simple, but they try and take away each week what you do best. They're going to try and take away your best playmaker, whether that's coverage for a receiver, whether it's loading the box for a running back. They're very multiple. So you might prepare for a scheme all week, and now they roll out this different scheme, but then you have guys with concrete responsibilities that do the same thing every time. So, it's a lot of them. It's a may be a four down front and now they give you a three down front. Well, they're not asking

guys to do crazy stuff. They say, okay, Alan Branch, for instance, who is there, or Vince Wilford, he's still going to two gap a guy. He's going to put his hands and read. Well, they can kind of put him wherever they want and just ask him to do the exact same things. And so how multiple they are to kind of confuse an offense, especially early in a game. They're generally going to give you a blitz or two that you haven't seen, and then they're going to take away what you new best to make you beat them in a different way that you're comfortable doing. And then they're not going to turn the ball over a whole lot on offense. You're not going to get many short fields.

So you just have to continue to sustain success throughout a game, which a lot of teams just aren't able to do against them. Eric Wood, joining us, new analysts for the ACC network as well as the radio analyst for the Buffalo Bills, longtime Buffalo Bill. Joining us, I'm Doug Gottlie. Filling in for Colin, this is the herd. From the college side, can anybody, I mean, like, I get A&M, they got A&M coming in early in the year.

But Clemson has their most difficult games at home. And the league is just, you know, it feels like you're a year or two away from Florida State being back. You know, Mack Brown just got to North Carolina. Can anybody legitimately give Clemson a game in that league? I mean, I don't like anybody's chances this year. You know, Clemson returns a whole lot of talent off that excellent team that had last year that won the national championship

and gave it to Alabama. in the championship game. You know, they play Syracuse early in the year. Syracuse has given them some fits over the last couple of years, but, you know, Seaclinson just has an absolute, tremendous amount of talent on their team. They're well-coached, and I don't like anybody's chances. I was looking at their win percentages, projected win percentages against each team,

and I think the top two teams that have, you know, a slight chance against them would be A&M, and I think their next closest game was South Carolina. Not a whole lot of credit being given to the rest of the ACC, and they truly are the class of the conference right now. You know, Florida State down. Virginia Tech's not at the top of their game. Miami is not what they once were. You know, Clemson should run away with it. When you see Trevor Lawrence, what do you see? Ready quarterback, a guy that can make all the throws, have some athleticism, extremely poised last year for an 18, 19-year-old kid. And I was impressed even how he interviews.

You know, he looks the part, he acts the part. Those are the types of guys that I think the NFL wish there wasn't that three-year rule because not saying teams would be tanking for him, but I think he'd be the number one pick coming out after this year. Yeah, I know he's a special kid. The problem if you change that rule is now you have so many who aren't ready who would come in, right?

He's the exception, and normally the rules you need a couple years. Woody, can't wait to hear you covering both the college game and the pro game. Appreciate you, join us as we get ready for training camps to open. Thanks for be our guest on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, anything for you, Doug, I'll never forget us sitting in Tallahassee together waiting for a flight, and you asked me what I wanted to do, and I said, man, I just wanted to end, and you made about five calls on my behalf. And I don't know if any of those are the reason that I got two gigs this year, but I'll tell you what, that meant a lot to me, so anything I can ever do for you, you know that, brother.

What are you the best? Thanks for joining us, Penn. Eric Wood joining us. By the way, that's the Colin Cowherd. That's the There's some other guys. Brian Anderson, of course,

works for Turner Sports. I mean, that's the pay it forward. If you see a guy who's good, you hear a guy who's good, you tell other people, if this guy's good, because, you know, it doesn't matter if it's your sport

or somebody else's sport, everyone deserves an opportunity to display their talents. I'm Doug Gottlie filling in for Colin. This is, of course, the herd. You know, he was talking about Trevor Lawrence and we're talking about Josh Allen and some of the younger quarterbacks. Obviously, we're going into a season where Saints, the Chargers, the Patriots, all have

older quarterbacks that we feel like we can count on to deliver based upon their years of past performance. But there is something that you can count on which is not a positive from those quarterbacks. Tell you what that is after we get to the news with John Gulley. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Doug, it was a rough outing in the Open Championship for Tiger Woods.

He looked to be in pain. He finished six over, which is going to be about five shots off the projected cut line. Here was Tiger after his round this morning. I just wanted some time off, just to get away from it. I had a long trip to Thailand, then tried to get ready for this event, play this event. It's been on a lot of travel. A lot of time in the air, a lot of moving around and different hotels and everything. I just want to go home.

Man, that is bad. So he's barely. I just want to go home. You ever been one of those trips? You've been on a trip like that? You're like, yeah, I'm, I'm good and ready to go home. I've definitely been on the golf course before where you get like halfway through the round and you're like, I just don't have it today. Golf ADD.

You get to like the 14th hole. You're like, you're just going through the most. You just want to get to the 19th hole and have one, you know? Actually, sometimes it gets so bad where you don't even want to. You're like, I don't want to have a beer and reminisce about this round. I just want to go home. Just want, I just want to go home. How disappointed that Tiger will not be part of the weekend in the final major of the year?

Oh, it's awful. It's bad for the sport, but more than anything, like I feel for the guy. Look, this is professional sports. like professional sports at the highest level. I mean, I think Tony Bennett said this, right? When they were beaten by even collegiate sports, and they were beaten by Maryland, Baltimore County, right? UMBC.

Look, everybody only thinks of the success. When you step into the arena, everybody only thinks of the success, like you can get humiliated really fast. John Smoltz might be the best pitcher I've ever seen. John Spoltz was a Hall of Famer as a starter. and a closer. He was great, and he's an unbelievable analyst, and apparently a great golfer, too. But if you remember Smoltsy, didn't he end his career as a Boston Red Sock?

It did not go well. No. Because, like, there are just times in which the next generation steps up where you're going to be made to look like you don't belong out there. And, I mean, Jason Kidd at the end of his run, and I'm not saying this is the end for Tiger Woods, but Jason Kidd's last playoff series, he couldn't make a layup. It just goes on you really quickly. And you want to be. be anywhere other than on that professional playing surface. And that's where Tiger Woods is. That's how bad this weekend was. It doesn't sound good either when he's talking about how he just needs time off. And we all kind of feel like we haven't really watched him since the Masters.

You know, he hasn't really been in the majors. He hasn't made it towards the end. And he's taken so many weeks off. I feel like he has been off. So I feel like we're getting robbed of more Tiger. Southex GM, Danny Aange, has been doing some damage control this week in regards to NBA free agency. he said a couple days ago that plan A was bringing in Kemba Walker and Ennis Cantor

which no one's really buying Cantor, friend of the show, I love when we've had him on, but I don't think he was the preferred big over keeping Al Horford. He is now saying that he knew this season Kyrie would be leaving to go home. Take a listen. He did express to me on a couple of occasions

between March and the end of that he really wanted to go home. And, you know, I got the impression at that point that he said he wanted to go play in Brooklyn more than he wanted to play in New York. This to me seems more, like, I don't know that anyone blames the Celtics for losing Kyrie, but it kind of doesn't look good when he's going back and saying, oh, no, no, no, we knew all along he was going to leave. Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

I mean, you know, Danny Ains saying that Kimball, Walker was plan A. Maybe they did a great job of keeping a secret. It obviously wasn't a secret to many people because we felt like he was emotionally disconnected and out by about March or April. But I, look, I do think this is, this is some spinning, some spin doctoring from Danny Hange. Well, I think they did a great job.

I really do. Considering they lost Kamba and they didn't want those last two years to pay Al Hortford in year three and year four in the year four. the $25 million variety. I think they did a very good job. You know, Kamba's not as good, but maybe a better fit. And they're going to do the, they're just going to throw a bunch of numbers. They got top rebounder in France to be a big bulk inside.

You know, they draft a undersized five, four, five men as well out of Tennessee. Like, they did some nice things to replace them. But your spin doctoring, and if you're telling us, they expected all these things to happen. And that's the news, Doug. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Doug Gottlieb in for Colin.

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and of course, college football analysts for the ACC Network for joining us. You know, we're going to do this, and radio shows do this locally all the time. They do the Mike Francesa, the old Mike and the Mad Dog. And the schedules would come out, that's a win. That's a loss dog. That's a loss.

Mike! Right? That's what, people do is they look at schedules and they assume win and loss. And we assume that players will always perform up to their reputation or resume injury notwithstanding. And I do think it's kind of interesting how we look at these older quarterbacks in the national football. what has happened, what has allowed Tom Brady, Philip Rivers,

Drew Breeze, maybe more so than Ben Rothersberger, because Ben Rothsburg is coming off a 5,000-yard season, which he didn't play in the playoffs. But Ben, if you know about Ben, he's had arm issues late, dead arm issues late in the season in the past. And I believe the past two off-season,

he's told people, like, I don't even throw football. Won't pick it up. but but the others like one of the reasons that philip rivers and drew brees and tom brady have been so good is in preseason they are workaholics every year the saints and the chargers scrimmage and breeze gets to bring his family up from san diego and they they always film these these crazy like trick shot videos between breeze and rivers and they have a lot of fun but if you talk to people inside those organizations they actually don't like it because they would prefer if Breeze and Rivers don't throw a football. Like these guys are such perfectionists. They're so good at their craft that it doesn't hurt them in August. It makes them sharper in September and into October. But once you get to December, do we not remember Tom Brady's struggles late in the year against the Buffalo Bills? And I know he lit up the Jets. But the Jets were trying to be bad.

and had accomplished that task by the end of the year. Lame duck head coach who was going to be fired, and he had four touchdowns and no interceptions. But just before that, against Buffalo, he threw 126 yards. He was great against the Chargers as they're playing with the lead. He had two interceptions against the Chiefs and probably had a third, you know, if not for the offside call. And even in the Super Bowl, well, on the last drive, he was great.

He didn't have a touchdown. pass, he threw an interception, and he looked human. Tom Brady is, in fact, 41 years old. Drew Breeze is, in fact, 40 years old. Look at Drew Breeze late in the season. What we're going to do is we're going to walk into the season, do, do, do, do, and expect 5,000 yards or 4,000 yards from all three of them. And the truth is that, that, that rivers,

has the best supporting and Melvin Gordon shows up to work. He got the best supporting cast. He's got three good running backs. He's got four good wide receivers. He's got Hunter Henry back healthy. He's got it all going for him. But look at his production late in the year.

And don't give me the Patriot game. They were down 28 to 7 before you could even get up and go for popcorn. Rivers, Breeze, Brady, all struggled late in the year because they're in their late 30s. in their 40s. And at some point, you've thrown too many footballs. It's the, it's the, what happened with, it's Clayton Kershaw, who wasn't, you know,

once you get to the seventh inning with Kershaw, especially because in the regular season, Kershaw carries you at 230 some odd innings. And because there are no heir parents, you know, there's really no heir apparent with the Chargers, there isn't truly an error parent, although, I mean, like, look, if I'm the Saints, I don't think it's crazy to throw, if you want to throw Teddy Bridgewater, instead of throwing Teddy Bridgewater out there week 17 of the season, why don't you throw Teddy Bridgewater out in middle of the season? Let him play a game, let him play a couple of games. Give Breeze the weekend off. It would give you a better chance of having a fresh Drew Breed's late

in the season. These guys have made their way to being Hall of Famers because they're workaholics. They love to prepare. They have to know the timing. and execution with their wide receivers of where they're going to be and how they're going to be and how they want to throw a football based upon the reads and based upon the throws and based upon the different angles. But at some point Father Time does catch up, and it doesn't sound like it all of a sudden you can't play football.

It's later in the year, even if you don't get hit, you start to get that dead arm. And maybe you have week 17 off and maybe you have a buy in the playoffs, and that helps you kind of regenerate some momentum. but if anything the chargers i mean the the saints are in the best position they can throw teddy bridgewater out there in the middle of the season for a game or two games and i think they would get a much better drew breeze late in the year it is very it is the least discussed most discussed in front office issue with these teams because with the patriots all anybody's talking about

is their wide receiving core and how do you replace rob gruncowski with the saints it's Why did our offense get stagnant and can we continue to build on our defense? With the charges is, can we please stay healthy? Can we continue to find ways to protect Philip Rivers? Because when he has a clean pocket, he's tremendous. Can we not get down so early? Can we not have a bad start to the season? And can Joey Bosa stay healthy?

But inside those front offices, like, man, we got some old pieces. It's like on a Sunday drive, right? Sunday drive, you can break out the old Cadillac. On a Sunday drive, you can go get the convertible and dust it off and cruise it around in the summer. But if you start driving around that Sunday car, Monday through Friday, driving through traffic to work, there's going to be a day in which it breaks down. Older cars just break down more. They do.

Older players just break down more. They do. and the more reps you have, though it will refine your offense, though it will sharpen the execution between your wide receivers and the quarterback. It's the beauty and the genius to Peyton Manning was he was such a workaholic that even with a bad arm, he didn't have a good arm, especially outdoors in Denver. He knew exactly where he could throw it because they worked so hard together. But man, once you got that dead arm, you got a dead arm,

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Also, I'll give you my thoughts on Dak Prescott, who to this point has not been signed to a long-term contract extension. And in truth, the Cowboys don't have to give him a long-term contract extension. And today marks the 15th anniversary of a famous show, which will make you feel old. We'll make you feel old. Look, a lot of people are reacting to Tiger Woods having, he just, he just, do we have the second? Can we get that sound again? This is Tiger Woods.

This is what it, this is what it sounds like. There's a little bit of this. Have you ever been on a long trip? It's ever been a long trip, a long business trip, whatever. and, you know, things aren't going great, and you just, you miss home. And you had a bad meeting, you had a bad interaction, you had a bad meal. It's not that it's a bad place. It's just like, I'm ready to get.

This is what the end of every vacation seems to sound like. Here's Tiger Woods earlier today. I just want some time off, just to get away from it. Had a long trip to Thailand, then tried to get ready for this event. play this event. It's been on a lot of travel, a lot of time in the air, a lot of moving around and different hotels and everything. I just want to go home. I just want to go home. I just, I would just like to go home. I mean, imagine if he, like the rest of us, had expenses and expense reports, like, man, I got to find my receipts, and I got to return the rental car,

and I got to remember, wait, did I tell them I wanted the gas option or no gas option? He didn't even have to do any of that. I was in Thailand, and then I flew here and then I'm there, my back stiff and my neck stiff and I can't hit the ball straight. And I've been awful on the golf course. I just want to go home. Everything. I just want to go home.

I just want to go home. Just ready to go. Ready to go. Got it. Noted. But we have this in sports where we expect older. athletes to either never perform or always perform. I got into a back and forth with Jason McIntyre.

Jason McIntyre usually Fridays, right? Usually Fridays he appears on Colin Cowherd's show. He has his own show on weekends here on Fox Portray, the former of the founder of the big lead. And he was tweeting that Serena Williams is, I don't know what is, two and seven or last nine, like, major finals. And my point was like, she's 38 years old.

When you're 38 years old, you don't always have it. It doesn't mean you never have it. It means you don't always, you're not as consistently great as you used to be. And as the competition, the challenges, the level rises, you can go back to the well as much as you want. Sometimes there's nothing in that well. It reminds me there's a Toby Keith song. That's right. On Colin Cowhert Show, I'm going to bring up Toby Keith.

Toby Keith has his great song for ladies, dudes who you're a little bit past whatever, sports prime, life prime, whatever. It goes a little something like this. I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was. I think that's perfect. Like Taguids isn't as good as he once was. He used to lap the field in majors. And he was as good ones, the Masters, as he ever was. And it's how often can you be consistently competitive?

And to this point, he can't. It doesn't mean he won't compete in majors in the future. But the challenges of getting ready for the Masters, the majors are much more compact. They're not as spread out as they used to be because they move the PGA. Now, inside the Open Championship, right? They've changed the order of things dramatically.

And he's older. And this course was challenging because they hadn't played it at the Open Championship since 1951. So it's not like Augusta where he blindfolded, you know, he could shoot par on that course. He's older. He's different. His back isn't perfect. And he puts so much into the Masters that he was as good once as he ever was, but any as good as he used to be.

All right. Then the other big story of the day, which is going to be the story of the weekend, and the next week is the NFL has chosen, at least at this point, to not punish Tyreek Hill. Now, most of us heard the audio, and it was a secretly recorded conversation between his fiancé and him, where she got him to say, like, yeah, he should be, he should be frightened of me, you should as well. It felt, it felt a little like entrapment, didn't it?

It just did. It felt like she was leading, leading the witness and getting to say, and there were moments in, and again, this is only the leaked part of the recording where it felt like he was admitting to something. He was giving something up in the conversation. But he never said that he laid a hand. He basically said this is a, you know, I'm not only to blame, you're to blame as well.

So the NFL comes out today and said like, look, we just, we don't have any evidence. She wouldn't talk to us. He did for eight and a half hours. We didn't have any evidence. And in spite of the fact that Twitter has already convicted him and roasted him at the stake, and so have we.

I mean, like, look, and I'm just as guilty as anybody in sports. I heard it, and I'm like, dude, Tyreek Hill, Tyreek Hill, who played for my own monitor and, like in Oklahoma State, you don't even want to see the highlight

of him running back the punt to win the game against Oklahoma because the very next week, this exact same woman, he was accused and pled guilty to domestic violence with. But I almost credit the NFL here. because everyone seemed to be pushing them towards some sort of conviction.

He had to do it. Of course he did. It's Tyreek Hill. Of course, of course he did it. And even if he didn't, this is to any of the potential domestic violence. Anybody who potentially lay a hand on a woman, we're going to send you even if you're accused of doing it. That's not actually the way it works. It's not actually the way it works.

One of the things that the Ohio State thing, which is a year ago right about now, and the Tyreek Hill thing, which is right now is, look, women that are harmed mentally, emotionally, and beaten physically, anyone should stand up for them. Anyone should want that guy locked up and that couple to stay apart. And this one's really hard between the two because they have a child, and they've chosen to stay together. and no matter what the level of toxicity of the relationship,

much like the Zach Smith thing last week, last year, excuse me, who's the former Ohio State coach, they got Urban Meyer kind of roped into it. The reality of life is that people do try and work it out for the kids and because there probably was an emotional connection, maybe love, before this all went down. Is some of it Stockholm?

syndrome, probably. But is some of it the fact that they just want to work it out for the kids' sake because you're better when you have two parents in the home, especially if you can work through it, than simply hating each other and not dealing with each other? And maybe the truth is that you're probably better off apart anyway, but it's hard for people to see that. They feel as if it's some sort of failure, if the relationship has failed. But maybe the bigger point is, hey, not only is sometimes the guy not do it, but sometimes the women not often, not always, not mostly, but there are occasions in which the woman will either

the woman will try and make the guy look worse than he actually is and she can be a part of the problem. Not the whole problem, not most of the problem, but a part of the problem. Like, the reality is whatever this woman did, you're going to record a conversation with a guy you have a kid with, with a guy you said yes to Marion, and then it leaks out to a TV station,

like, if that's not an unhealthy relationship, I don't know what is. If you don't want to be with him anymore, don't be with them anymore. It really is, it feels too simple, and I understand there are other things parts to it, but the idea that you would record a conversation, so look, I actually support the NFL in this.

in that it feels like they thoroughly investigated. And even though everyone told them, hey, you got enough, you can suspend them for four games. The policy is six games. Suspend him for six games. Kick a minute. It's the chiefs. Get rid of him.

Get him off the chiefs. The chiefs have all these other issues. I even said, like, how can you sign Frank Clark when you got this going on? And you just got rid of Spencer Ware. Like, how can you do that? And the answer appears to be there isn't anything there. I know we all have confirmation bias, and we want there to be something there to prove that Tyreek Hill is a horrible human being.

And he may be a bad guy. He may be a horrible human being, but you have to have some sort of proof. And the NFL has failed to uncover any sort of evidence, so they chose not to suspend him. And that's kind of the way it's supposed to work. Not conviction by social media. Not conviction by mob mentality.

Conviction by actual evidence, isn't it? Great news. There's a quick and easy way. way you could save money. Switch to Geico. It only takes 15 minutes to see if you could save 15% of more on car insurance. Go to geico.com and see how much you could save. We'll turn to college football next. Could this be the least interesting, most exciting season, much like Warriors calves three years ago? We discussed next in the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9th.

am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHard Radio app. Doug Gottlieb in for Colin, this is the herd. You won't believe what TV show began 15 years ago today. And it is fascinating on how things change. You know, like, honestly, Goulet, I've been doing national sports trading effort. This will be my 16th year, right? 16th year. So, and if you got, you kind of go back to when I was in college, you know, the Big 12 was relatively new when I got to the Big 12 in 1997.

So I've kind of seen the evolution and de-evolution of conferences and of programs. And it's been fascinating. And we've lived through the decade of dominance by the SEC, come out the other side. And now it's, now it's Clemson, who is the, is the challenger to Alabama. And, of course, with all of these, with all of these media days, you know, every team, of course, had the best recruiting class ever, unbelievable offseason, strength coaches got these guys kind of locked in.

You can't wait to get after it. Barrett Silley joins us. Of course, he worked for CBSSports.com and covering college football for what feels like my entire professional lifespan as well. Have we helped me out. with this. Have we entered a season like this before where we feel like it's a foregone conclusion who the two teams are going to be standing at the end? Yeah, I think one time was 2004 when everybody expected Oklahoma, which obviously had lost the national championship game to LSU the previous

year to play USC, which earned a share of the national championship the year before. And I think those two teams were one and two the entire season with the exception of Auburn might have jumped Oklahoma for one week late in the season. But that was the year Auburn went undefeated, but didn't win the title. But the only one offhand that I can think of is that when Oklahoma and USC were head and shoulders above everybody else going in based on what they had done the year before and really didn't let up. And other than that, no, we sort of had

seasons where you expected Florida and Alabama in the late, you know, late 2000s to meet up in Atlanta, but not really. It hasn't been like this in a long time. It does feel like we are, so much of it is, what is the bias I'm thinking of, something that happened most recent, recency bias in that because Alabama lost to Clemson, we forget that Alabama probably should have lost to Georgia, right? Georgia choked that thing away. They miss a field. goal and all of a sudden they get tight and Alabama makes a change at quarterback and the rest as they say is history when you know look Georgia returns their quarterback they return a ton of talent they've been recruiting at a similar similar level to Alabama are we just do we dismiss

mentally in our mind how good Georgia was how close those two programs are because of the recency bias of what the final score that game was and they didn't play and lose to Clemson? Sure, without a doubt. I mean, you put a title next to Georgia's name, and they're in that fraternity. And I'd say they're much closer to being in that fraternity than they are the, you know, Oklahoma, Ohio State fraternity below them. You know, I think they've proved the recruiting.

The secret about Georgia is that it almost cost Alabama the national title game last year because of what Kirby Smart did to Nick Sabin the previous year and his desire to sort of match up from a recruiting perspective what Kirby was doing. So what he did, Nick Saban, he hired a younger, more energetic, more recruiting-centric staff prior to last season. And that's essentially as what he cost him the national title because those guys were not very good exes and those coaches. Georgia is certainly in Alabama's head. I don't think there's any question about it. I think the mistake last year Nick Saban made by going younger from his coaching staff is a direct reaction to what Kirby was doing on the recruiting trail.

Nick obviously tried to fix that, but it doesn't change the fact that Georgia's roster is almost, if not as good as Alabama and Clemson. And I think the one thing standing in the way of George is that they still have a relatively new head coach. I mean, new in the sense that Kirby Smart's entering its fourth season ever as a head coach. And, you know, when you're new at this, sometimes you make dumb mistakes. And Kirby certainly did in the SEC championship game with that ridiculous fake punt. But he still got there.

He still took Alabama to the brink and, you know, had had one ball bounce one way or the other, you know, over the last two meetings. You might have had a title. So, you know, that's the one thing standing in a way, and it's not necessarily a knock against Kirby Smart. It's just a statement of fact that he's, you know, still sort of finding his way. I think he'll do it. He might do it as early as this season because the lessons of the last two years definitely stick out in his mind. You know, he might not say it publicly and he might not say it in front of cameras. But he's been thinking about that loss in Atlanta, 24-7, 365.

No question. Barrett Salley joined us here in the herd. I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin. You can follow him on Twitter. Barrett is B-A-R-R-E-2-T's and S-A-L-L-E's. A lot of double letters there. But it's interesting, though, because Georgia not being able to get to finally beat to Vanquish Alabama is a lot like Michigan not being able to,

and they haven't even been as nearly as competitive last year. Of course, a couple years ago, they're, you know, one playaway really from beating Ohio State. The difference obviously is Sabin's still at Alabama. And Urban Meyer is going to be sitting on our Fox desk on Saturdays. Let me play for you what everybody's talking about in college football. This is Jim Harbaugh talking about Urban Meyer. Rubber Myers had a winning record, really phenomenal record everywhere he's been, but also controversy follows everywhere he's been.

So I take it as, I don't think it's full Steve Spurrier, right? Well, hey, controversy follows him everywhere he's been, you know. They go have some guys to spend when we play. Cantsvillefittons.com. So, but I don't actually think he said anything that wasn't, well, it was wrong. or wasn't true, but obviously it's going to rattle some, and Urban's going to be covering him this year. What's your take when you hear Harbaugh say that? Well, he's 100% right about Urban Meyer.

I mean, I don't think there's any question about that. I mean, that's not an opinion. That's, I think, a statement of fact. A standel does and has followed Urban Meyer throughout his major college coaching career. With that said, I think it's a little lame that Jim Harbaugh would take that shot right now. Because, Doug, I mean, you know as well as I do. coaches don't answer the questions that they're given. They answer whatever question they want to answer in their own head, right?

So if Jim Harbaugh wanted to take a subtle shot at Urban Meyer and his ethics and the scandals that have followed him, he had plenty of chances last year. And so the idea that he was asked about it so he answered honestly, that's true. He did. But that wasn't an accident. I think it's, you know, if he wanted to take that shot, you know, he could have. And I don't think he would have answered that way if Urban Meyer was still the head coach of the Buckeyes. But, you know, that's Jim Harbaugh.

You know, the bluster hasn't matched the results. That's the way he is at Michigan. And that's fine, you know, from our perspective, you know, bring it on. That's why we love, you know, the off season and talking season because of stuff like that. So, yeah, I mean, it was a statement of fact, no doubt about it. But I also think that it was said partially anyway because Urban Meyer knows. longer coaches right now. Yeah.

Can we get a team in the West to be relevant in the national conversation? 100%. I think Oregon can be that team this year if they get over the hump against Auburn, because I think they have one of the best offensive lines in the country, obviously a great quarterback. I like how Mario Cristobal has built that roster. You know, because he was an offensive line coach, he understands the importance of winning in the trenches.

if you can do that in the Pack 12, you're going to win a whole lot of football games. You know, Washington's, Washington. We all know what to expect from the Huskies. I'm not sold on Jacob Easton as the savior, but, you know, I am sold on Chris Peterson being a really, really good head coach. And I wouldn't write off USC or Utah. I think Utah is going to be one of those sleeper teams come November where you're kind of looking around saying, well, you know what?

If one or two dominoes fall, we could be seriously considering them for the playoff. That wouldn't surprise me at all. And then USC and Clay Hilton, I think it was just a complete shame what happened to Clay Helton last year and how USC's administration treated him. But he made two straight New Year's six bowl games. And yeah, five and seven isn't acceptable at USC. I get it. But he was starting a true freshman quarterback who reclassified to an earlier recruiting class.

He should have been a senior in high school. You know, so I just give him some more time. I think JT. Daniels can be a really good quarterback. I do think the roster needs some tweaking, and they've got a ton of help from transfers this off season, so that'll help too. And Clay Hilton, I still think it's a good coach. So I think of those four teams, you know, one, if not two, have to at least become relevant. Yeah, the Pac-12 has been a disaster the last couple of seasons.

It is what it is, but that doesn't mean they're, you know, it's going to stay that way forever. you know, in college football, really in college athletics in general, you have so much turnover. You have so many changes and they happen so quickly, you know, every offseason that, you know, extrapolating one trend from a season to another, just it's nice in the off season, but I don't necessarily think it's responsible in the off season. I know that A&M Clemson game is a huge one, but I'm not sure there's a bigger one than Texas LSU on the seventh, right?

It's the, it's LSU changing offenses, choosing to spread it out and go, you know, the opposite of what they, what they seemingly have done. And Texas, the, the question that we've asked ourselves like Tiger Woods, are they back? Is Texas back? Yeah, I would, I would say that's a fair assessment. I mean, I'm excited about LSU Texas. I would say that Notre Dame at Georgia at the end of September might be, it might have an argument there. But that's sort of devil's advocate. With LSU in Texas, you know, I love Texas.

The defensive turnover is a little bit of a concern. I do love Ellenger. I love the fact that he got Colin Johnson back, and I have utmost trust in Tom Herman and Todd Orlando, the defense coordinator, to get the job done there. And LSU, I mean, look, we were down in Hoover a week, and it was the same. You could have just flashed back to last year or the year before or the year before,

and LSU's, you know, contingent would be talking about how they're going to be more dynamic on offense. And, you know, I'm in, I believe it when I see it mode with LSU. You know, I do think that at times, Orsoran and Les Miles back in the day were way too hands-on with the offense and really didn't accept the way that modern college football was going to be played. And, you know. But, like, in fairness to less, like, look, I'll be, I know less obviously really well because he was, he was the offensive coordinator at Oklahoma State. and then he was in with tight ends coached with the Cowboys before he came back.

At least he has, he's a former offensive lineman, former offensive coordinator, former offensive line coach. At least he has an offensive line background, right? Ed Orgeron is a defensive line guy, a recruiter. He had no, and so the idea that he was going to go like, hey, give me that playbook two years ago, which was the most complex in the sport. And I got this.

Like that one was a stunner to me, and it's why their offense was a disaster two years ago. Yeah, and I would say last year it wasn't what people made it out to be either. Middle of the pack in the SEC, you know, Joe Burroughs best work came against UCF and throughout the season maybe before the snap was made. I mean, and that's great, that's fine. A good quarterback can do that, and he's certainly a leader. There's no doubt about that. But, you know, LSU, I just, I can't buy into them.

They're a lot like Michigan in the sense that, okay, you know, the offense needs help. It needs to be able to win outside the comfort zone. But history has shown that that does not happen. With that said, there's still going to be a really good, you know, nine, ten win team at worse because that's, you know, what talent does for you in college football. So LSU Texas, yeah, I mean, because Texas is back, as Sam Ellinger said after the Sugar Bowl, because of what it can do to the national narrative, Texas beats two SEC teams in three games.

Granted, there's an office. in between. That's a big deal. And LSU going on the road with this air quote new offense, if it actually exists, to one of the more hostile environments in college football, I love it. I can't wait to see it. It will not only define the seasons for those two teams, but I think it'll define a narrative in college football one way or the other, you know, specifically how good the SEC actually is. Last thing, there are a few hires. I think when Harbaal was hired, everybody said that'll probably work, right?

That'll work. That makes sense. When Scott Frost was hired, especially coming off what he built at Central Florida, everybody's like, that'll work, no doubt, right? Like I'm in. Now, Nebraska and playing in the Big Ten, I think that that can be hard, right? They were recruiting so well from Texas back when they're in the Big 12. But obviously, Scott has opened those borders to Florida from having recruited there before.

But it's still going to be hard to get the depth of athletic talent at Nebraska. playing in the Big Ten. But I don't think anyone saw last year coming, right? Last year was whatever could go wrong on the field, seem to go. But it hasn't wavered. Like, Husker fans think they got the guy. They found the Messiah. Does it finally, does it hit this year and year two?

Not the way people are predicting. I mean, you see some of these odds and there, you know, have better odds at a national championship than Notre Dame and Texas A&M and, you know, some other teams. And I just know, not like that. I don't buy it, you know, I don't buy nothing. Nebraska being, you know, a national championship contender, even if it's a fringe contender. Could they win the Big Ten West?

Yeah, I mean, Northwestern won it last year, and it was a big jumbled mess. And if you win the right games, then great. Then you can do that. And I love Adrian Martinez. I think he's a really good quarterback. But the thing with Nebraska is you went from, you know, a coach in Riley who didn't really recruit anywhere near, where he needed to be to a guy in Scott Frost who comes in with pretty much a brand new system.

So from a depth perspective, a lot of the guys you're counting on on being backup don't really fit what you do. And if Nebraska is going to be a championship caliber team, it has to have championship caliber depth. And while those players might be talented, they don't fit. And so by the end of the season, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Nebraska has one of those regressions in November, even if they are, you know, one of the top teams in the country, even if they do beat Ohio State, you know, at the end of September, I just, I don't think they have staying power. And I think that's the one thing standing in the way right now

from Nebraska actually being a contender. Yeah, I think it's everybody likes him and everybody sees that they have Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Iowa all coming to their building. And they think, all right, you got the same quarterback who's now a year seasoned in and, and this, this will be the year. We'll see. Year 2s have been great to some of the all-time great coaches. We'll see. how it is for Scott Frost. Barrett, can't wait to these guys actually crack heads against each other in the meantime. You do awesome work. Thanks so much for joining us.

My pleasure, Doug. Thanks. That's Barrett Saleh, who, of course, works for CBSports.com. Let's get you to John Goulet for the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Doug, the Yankees hosted

the raise yesterday afternoon. Oh, and the Yankees! Yeah, go ahead. After striking out on a questionable call in the second inning, Brett Gardner started hitting most things in the dugout with his bat and yelling at the umpire. Aaron Boone said, oh yeah, hold my beer. And I've been told not to play the sound because it's not really clean for radio. But the basic gist of it is he went on an epic tirade, I would say advising the umpire to maybe improve on his day a little bit.

And he kept reiterating that his guys were savages. Savage. My guys are savages. That pitcher's pretty good. My guys are savages. It's that. Tighten it up. But add an F word every other word.

Savages. He was ejected. I would say it kind of reminded me of Kastanza when he wanted to have people go, that guy got fired. I feel like Aaron Boone wanted to be like, now that guy got ejected. Making things a little more awkward. It was the first game of a double header. So all the people that got ejected and that umpire all had to be back out on the field like three hours later altogether. So awkward.

How would you rank Aaron Boone's flipout? He's known as a pretty calm guy, Southern California dude, and he was not calm yesterday. Sure. Yeah, Villa Park High School. Actually, my brother got in a fight with Aaron in a high school basketball game. Elmadeen of Villa Park. There are trivals. And, yeah, they both were kicked out for the next game.

They played against each other. They weren't allowed to play. It's an all-timer because we had the microphones. Like, we always thought we knew what some people. people say. And I almost feel like there should be a major league baseball after dark. Because if you ever watch the 24-7 on the hockey when they play that New Year's, when they play the hockey outside, like the officials in hockey, they're talking about savages. Like they give it right back to the players. They sometimes even encourage the fighting or

and they keep guys away. Like they're completely in on the sport. It's just a different, a different way to look at sports. And baseball suddenly is not nearly as boring anymore when you can hear the chatter. Instead of reading lips, you actually hear the audio of a manager and what he's saying to an umpire. Do I think some of it was to defend his players?

Sure. Do I think some of it was a show over the top? Sure. But I just, what's funny about those, the home plate guys is they have to stand there and take it. They're getting kind of spit on by the,

of your face, and they have to not laugh. Like, I feel like, Like if I was in that situation, I would laugh. I don't know how they don't break. Right? I don't know. They, I mean, there are professional actors on SNL that can't get through.

Jimmy Fallon couldn't get through one skit without breaking yet. That umpire is staring at Aaron Boone screaming at him and does not even crack a smile. It's kind of impressive. It is really impressive. It's really, really impressive. So this offseason, the Broncos went back to their old playbook. And instead of developing a young quarterback, which they are really not good at, they decided to just bring in a veteran former Super Bowl MVP.

Now, the last time they did it, that was Peyton Manning in 2012. Unfortunately for the Broncos, this time, it's Joe Flacco in 2019. Flacco, though, said he's not done yet. He said, quote, listen, I think I've got a lot left in the tank. I feel like I can do a lot more than I've shown in my 11-year career. I'm excited about that. I would say most people don't share the enthusiasm for, or the optimism for Flacco with the Broncos this year.

I will point out last year he was four and five, a two to one touchdown interception ratio and a 61% completion percentage. There are a lot worse quarterbacks in the league than that. If he's a solid quarterback again, is the AFC West just by far the best division in football? Depends on the Raiders, right?

Depends on the Raiders. They certainly have some talent. I mean, you know, as in terms of a fourth best team, there are worse ones than them, right? Just for a second. The NFC. Who's the worst team in the NCC South? Tampa Bay.

Or Carolina. But Carolina, I mean, I think a lot of that was, and Carolina's a great running back. They have good defense. But a lot of it's injury base for Carolina. I still think they're pretty good. Remember, these are the two best records in the NFC last year were the Chargers and Chiefs.

Correct. Correct. And I do think the Raiders are dramatically improved. And I think that, I think the, I mean, look, he's an upgrade of what they had. We can kill Joe Flack all they want and say, well, they went to the playoffs because Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson, and they did, it was because of their defense, because of the line,

and him running the football, but also they played, it was a weak spot of their schedule. And if we remember, the Bengals were the worst defense in league history at one point in the season. I think they improved a little bit late in the year. And Pittsburgh was down and Cleveland was fine and whatever. Yeah, I mean, look, you have two teams that tie for the best record in the AFC. last year. I have no problem with you saying it's the best at the top. I think we don't know what Denver is

and we don't know what Oakland's going to look like, but I do think that Denver can be palatable. They have a very good young running back. We'll see about their defense. And von Miller, the defense is not nearly as good as their reputation. Well, and one last thing. The Broncos, I don't know if you know this, but if you're a gambler, you've probably picked up on it.

They always win in September at home. Yes. Yes. Because no one's in shape. Yes. So they come to Denver and they can't breathe, then they always get a couple, like one or two wins they don't deserve because teams just aren't in shape yet and they get an early win. So keep that in mind.

That's the news. That's gambling advice. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. We did save the best for last. I think it's really good. Some news and anniversary today that's going to make you feel old.

It's a good way to start your weekend. It's next in the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Doug Gottliebend for Colin, this is in fact the herd. So you have moments as you age in life to where you feel different things, right? Moments where you feel smart. Like, man, I feel, you do a crossword.

Like, I just completed a crossword. I got a crossword app on my phone. And like, right? And you get the crossword done. You're like, wow, I'm, I actually. know something. Like I know not just movie quotes. Like we all feel like guys like the only thing I really know

are sports facts and movie quotes. You're like, wait, wait, I read a book once and it just happened to appear in this crossword. There are moments where you feel smart. And there are moments where you feel empowered. There's moments I think when you feel like maybe rich, richer than you

actually are. Like, yes I can buy that. I've always wanted to have a classic car and I will buy one. not cowherd rich to the I have a second home I'm posting about fly fishing in Utah you know or some of these other people

who post pictures in front of private planes whatever I don't know I'm saying where you feel rich right like rich can be a lot of different things to a lot of different people like not having to wait until something goes on sale

at Banana Republic that can feel like you're rich and there are moments in which you feel old And that moment in which you feel old is part of our best for last. It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind to the very last segment. It's time for best for last. You know, I think sometimes when a guy retires, like, or Carmelo Anthony being out of the NBA, I think that could make you feel old because you remember Carmelo Anthony,

or like I did my first year of doing broadcasting, he was a freshman at Syracuse. my first kind of breakthrough gig was doing the NBA draft in 2003, and he was the second pick of that. He was the third, excuse me, the third pick of that draft. And my first year up at the other place was when we would debate LeBron and Carmelo and who should be the rookie of the year. But 15 years ago, this week, Entourage, Entourage first came on HBO.

And I don't think Entourage has the staying power of the wire, Breaking Bad, or maybe Thrones for some of you. You know, you think of your favorite show in which you binge-watched. I'm guessing Entourage is not one of them. I'm currently binge-watching billions to catch up. So I don't think I will possibly go, sure. Sure, I'll go back and watch Entourage and some of it doesn't hold up. A lot of it was cameos.

The opening scene was cool. The opening car was even cooler with the suicide doors. 15 years ago. Isn't that a moment in which you feel old? All right, you want to feel older? Zion Williamson wasn't alive during Y2K. How about that one? Do you remember guys, do you remember the Y2K thing?

You know, get the extra water. have a room in your house you can go to. It may be the end of time. Some people went to New York thinking like, if I'm going to go out, I'm going to go out with a party. Some people went to Vegas. Zion Williamson not wasn't alive to remember, wasn't alive during Y2K.

And now he's the newest, latest and greatest budding star in the NBA. I mean, is that amazing? I find that. Also in these last 15 years, Friends actually hasn't been on air. Now, Friends has seen kind of a rebirth, and even though it's going to go away from Netflix at the end of the year, now high school kids and college kids are watching friends and catching up

and understand the storylines, and it's still seen as kind of a cool show, even though it's retro cool. But in the last 15 years, there has not been a new Friends episode. Goulde, what else makes you feel old now? Here's one. I know you're a Yukon fan. My latest all-ball podcast, you can download it, go to iTunes, wherever you download podcast, on the Heard Podcast Network, is with Khalid El-A-Meen.

Khaled Al-Mine was the point guard for U-com when they won the first national championship in 1999, which, of course, was 20 years ago. And I got ready to tape it, and my producer, Ryan Music, so I was like, I'm so fired up, I'm talking with Khalid Al-A-Mine. He's like, I don't know who that is. And then I realized he's 28. It's 20 years ago. I feel old.

Give me something that makes you feel old. That just makes me angry as a Yukon fan a little bit. Okay, so if you're at a bar later tonight, someone could be in there legally drinking who was not born yet when Jordan hit the shot to beat the jazz in the finals. That was 21 years ago and a month. That makes me feel super old. I was in a sports bar in Tulsa, Oklahoma when that happened.

I remember where I lost. Give me one more. One more. I'm thinking, like, 15 years ago, entourage started. Think of the things that make you feel. I mean, the one that always makes me feel old is, it's not that I remember Houston in the National League.

I remember the Milwaukee Brewers in the American League. You know, like, yeah, remember they used to be divisional rivals with the Indians and the White Sox and the Twins. Like, wow, when was that? I remember when they added NBA teams. Remember when the Charlotte Hornets first came to be? and grandmamma and they had, you know, Joe Wolf, but even before those teams, Joe Wolf and Rex Chapman,

remember when the Miami Heat first came to be. I remember when the rays were new, the devil rays back then. They already want a new stadium. Their stadium has already lived the entire life they wanted to live. Yeah, that was a bad, that was a bad stadium before they ever played again. I'm not saying it was well constructed. I'm just saying it makes me feel a little old.

I remember Tony Pacelli, Tony Pacelli being the first pick of the expansion draft for the Houston Texans and never playing a game for the Texans. I remember, I remember that. That's when I, those are the I feel old moments. Should keep you updated, should keep you updated on what's taking place in the world of golf. Rory McElroy, he may make the cut or he may not make the cut. It doesn't really matter because what he's doing at a place where he shot a 61 as a kid is unbelievable. Unbelievable.

On the first seven holes of the back nine. On the first seven holes of the back nine, he has one bogey and one par and five birdies. And five birdies. Roy McElroy could be

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