The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Unbreakable Episode 117 - Lane Johnson

Episode Date: February 5, 2025

Welcome to Unbreakable! A mental wealth podcast hosted by Fox NFL Insider Jay Glazer. On today’s episode, Jay sits down with Philadelphia Eagles Superstar Tackle Lane Johnson who will be playing in his third Super Bowl this coming Sunday in New Orleans. Lane shares how this SB appearance differs from the other two, the advice he’s given to the new guys on how to deal with all the weeklong distractions, and his favorite funny moment from the big game. Lane also talks about his anxiety and explains the rituals he uses to get the roommates in his head to talk nicely to each other, especially on gameday.   Follow, rate & review Unbreakable with Jay Glazer here! https://link.chtbl.com/unbreakablewithjayglazer #fsrSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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it comes to mental health. He is my battle buddy. Hell, he lived with me for about five months and my son and I. He was one of the first guys who really took on our mixed martial arts training program to heart and have to change his life and he's changed mine as well. The all world, Brad Tackle for the Philadelphia Eagles, Lane Johnson. How we doing, big boy? man doing good uh yes quite a busy uh week and a busy one coming up but yeah man thankful time's gone fast and uh yes it's been a fun ride so third one crazy how is this one different from the two like now that you know uh well every team's different i just feel like uh not the team just the experience like how are you able to better prepare because you've already been it twice

yeah i mean i just treat it as another game i don't make it more than what is. And so, yeah, really. I mean, I mean, a lot of it comes down to a lot of factors like staying healthy is one of them. But I just feel like we're close on it off the field and all that stuff translates to, you know, what's happening on the field. Is there stuff, though, that you learned, obviously, you know, for the new guys, like what advice do you give them about, hey, when this comes up, how do you make it just another game? Yeah, you just have stayed in the moment. I think a lot of what athletes do is overthink and overanalyze. And so when you do that, you don't play as fast.

You're not reacting as fast. So, you know, that's really one of them. And, you know, a lot of it stay in focus. And you got to practice stay in the moment and stay in the present because, you know, a lot of what we do is, you know, dealing with distractions. So that's the biggest thing. Don't make the situation bigger than what it is.

A lot of distractions down there, right? There's a lot of you let it become a distraction. It's easy for it to happen. Yeah, it's easy for your tackle and you don't have to play quarterback or a roundabout. It's pretty easy. What? So, again, you know, I've said a couple of things. One, you're my battle buddy, the MMA.

It's funny because the unbreakable mindset for us used to be right. Lane, I used to tell you, and I'll like how to rule, right? No putting your hands on your hips. Neutral face, neutral face. Don't show that we're hurt. Don't show that we're hurt. And we need that football and fighting. Now we have a different unbreakable mindset, right?

outside those white lines or outside that cage. We've got to open up. We've got to show that we're hurting. We've got to show that we're, you know, that things are bothering us. You know, let's dive into that a little bit. Yeah, well, it's really going for being a robot slash animal to a human, a human again. So that's really what it is. And it's hard to turn that on and off when a lot of your friends or whoever you hang out with or alpha males or a different. line of work, so, you know, it's just differ from that aspect, you know.

Yeah. It was interesting, though, because, like, the, I'll never forget, we go back to, like, our first workout. You threw up, like, eight times, and just the hip warm-up, right? And I thought that's just because me and Randy Gator were wearing you out, and then it comes to find out it's not really, that's your anxiety, which gets that to happen. Yeah, a little bit of both.

Yeah. So we'll take credit for the first part of it, right? Yeah. Well, just what I was saying is a lot of it's good van, overthinking things and making stuff worse than what it actually is. So, you know, I think a big quote is people suffer more and is in their heads than what they do in reality, you know. How much your life changed since we've started coming out and talking about this? This as far as...

What's good. I think it, you know, allowed me to help a lot of other people as well as help myself. But, you know, with anything, I just think it's made the conversation a lot easier and people being vulnerable on their ourselves. And so, you know, I think that's the most important thing is that it doesn't feel for us and it's not fake. And, yeah, I mean, definitely wouldn't like that 10 years ago when I first got in the league, you know, it was, you know, a lot different. Yeah, I mean, just these, I mean, hell, I came into a future last week with Lane and he and I got together a little workout, a little so on. And I told him in a song, like, hey, man, I'm, I'm struggling because I'm just I'm worn down and tired. And, you know, we were training partners, but we didn't know we had

that until now. And it's just, that helped me so much. And that's what I'm saying, like, these things were able to lift each other up now that we just didn't know we had five years ago. Yeah. It was really, I don't know, you left fear and those emotions that you feel really consume you and dominate your lifestyle or your life. And it's like, uh, and those come up at any time. And so you feel like you're, you don't have any control of anything. And so I want you to flip that around, you know, then you control everything. Tell people how much you still go through it. I want people to understand. It's something we work on, but it's not like,

it don't go wet, but just how we have it. Yeah, just game days are rough on me. Every, I mean, everything else is usually pretty good. You have game days are just mornings, nausea, just confidence is low. And I don't know, I just feel like there's not a lot to look forward to, you know, the first stats for us are usually negative, like pressures, hurries, sacks.

So, So, but like I said, once I have to deal with the emotions and overcome that, I just really get out there and try not to think. I really try to rely on my training and, like, my habits. And so whenever pressure is applied, all that stuff comes out, and it's nothing, you know, nothing that I have to think about. And after all these years, it's really, you know, nothing to think about a whole lot.

If you're okay, I can tell the world, like, look, when I tell you on Gameback? Yeah. Okay. So Lane calls me when he's going through it, which is, again, this is like, that's your honor. That's your battle buddy. Right. There's no, no one's question our manhood. So when we're going through, we call each other. It'll call me on game day when it's going rough. And this year, I'm like, hey, bro, that just means you get to put your armor on. Right. That means if you're starting to feel that anxiety, you're starting to throw up, you're getting that nausea. Fuck, it's, motherfucker, you get to go fight. And you put that armor on, it's, you got to use it. You got to weaponize.

You got to kind of make it your superpower. And these are conversations that are, man, these are way more powerful than anything we ever could have. Yeah, and I think a lot of it is, too. Like, once you play to a certain standard, you feel like personally and professionally, you have to meet that standard every year. And anything that may be short of that is considered a failure.

So, you know, I think for, you know, athletes that have that mindset, they can be harder themselves sometimes. But, like I said, I think it's also what makes an individual different than the rest. So once you learn to control it and use it, you know, to your advantage, you know, it goes completely the other way. But I also told you, too, like, look, you've trained with Randy Gator and Chuck Ladella together.

And these guys have knocked each other out. I'm like, no one looks at them and judges their career by one knockout and one loss. And same for you. It's like, hey, man, your body of work is your body of work. It's not whether you have a good game or not. It's not whether you have a good play. It's your body work. And that's, I think, one of the biggest challenge we have is to be.

convince you and other guys that it's your body at work. It doesn't come down on one player that game. Yes, that and just, you know, letting others define you in general, I think is a big problem. A lot of people use external resources for, you know, internal gratification. And I heard a good quote other days for as selfish as we are and as much as we care about ourselves, we care about what others think a lot more, which is insane. So, you know, I don't know. I just think a lot of people are older, though, realize how much time they waste a

worrying, wasting time. I would just put a couple of my fight teammates like two weeks ago. Mark Kerr, Couture, Alec Carroll, Alexis, who was on the first fight of the ultimate, first season, the ultimate fighter. And Alex said, hey man, that whole sticks and stones thing, they got it backwards. Like, sticks and stones won't break my end of bones,

but words fucking hurt us. Yeah. That's fucking fantastic. It does. That's how we are. Like, shit, physical pain is nothing to us, but somebody says about it. that's, man, we're sensitive. Or we see on Twitter or Instagram, you know?

Yeah, emotionally. And yeah, I guess when everything's like in the public eye, too, and that can also amplify things too. It can be a frustrating process, but I've learned, I guess, with age, to handle it more with grace and talk and communicate it instead of, you know, letting it turn into something. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers,

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What are some of the things you do to cope now? Yeah, I mean, a lot for me is, you know, we try. train concentration grids will do that a lot on game day. I do a lot of Sudoku on game day. Don't really listen to music anymore. I mean, we have it in the locker room, but I just try to save my mind, you know, pretty relaxed, focused but relaxed.

And then when I get to the game, I try to think too much. You know, I know what to do. I mean, all we do is do walk-throughs and then go play, you know, game after game, season after season. So with all the experience, you know, but it goes down to communication. And every game's different, but a big part of it's communication and being able to adapt.

Because sometimes your gameplay doesn't match, you know, what they have on the field and you have to adjust. So aside from football, what do you do to come? So I learned the journal from you. You're the one who told me, you know, because again, we started talking about this five years ago, whatever, I was still learning shit also. Now I know how to do breathwork and meditation

and a gratitude list and, you know, I'll do a cold plunge and stuff like that. a workout. I do all this stuff before I look at my phone. What are some of your rituals to get you to get to get the roommates in your head to talk nicely to each other each day? Yeah. Well, I think is getting away from the phones, anything to do with being outside or in nature, usually by, you know, a body of water usually or somewhere where I like to go. But yeah, for me, it's really getting off the phone and just being content, you know, really and not having to feel like I have to be somewhere, you know, or had to be doing something.

Is your anxiety caused more by the fear of what's about to happen or stuff that happened in the past? No. My fear is that I have to be perfect against somebody that has to rush 40 times against me and I have to never lose. And I'm on the island the most. They don't help me at all with guards or any tight ends or running back. So my job is really the hardest in the league.

Because you're that good. Yes. So it's kind of a double-edged sword. Yeah, well, yeah. But like I said, if they did help you, you'd be pissed off. They're helping you.

Yeah, well, like I said, the upside is the money. The downside is. It's basically, hey, you have to go against another team's alpha male and they're trying to run over you or through you around you, whatever they got to do.

But, you know, it's a battle. It is what it is. And it's, yeah, I mean, I love it. What's the funnest part about Super Bowl week? Just enjoying it with the teammates. everybody has different reactions and emotions, but, you know, knowing that the season is finally here to us last week

is, you know, something to celebrate in itself before it kicks off. Is the game, is it amp you up or like a letdown of like, because there's so much other stuff? I don't know. It's, uh, I think it's a great week. I think it's a great, you know, experience for the fans and families. And, yeah, by game time, it's like, yeah, we're ready to play. It's, you know, we've done their duties.

Let's get down to business. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it.

We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

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As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the Civil War. To get to school, I had to go down Robert Lee Boulevard. Get to the grocery store. I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're an historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job. I'm Akila Hughes, and Rebel Spirit Season 2 goes deep on both of those things. The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something

to the Kentucky State House that's actually worth the wall space. We are more than our bodies. We contain essence. We contain spirit. How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire that is really catching.

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Yeah, I saw Kevin Hart running through the crowd and I think you went to go snatch the Super Bowl trophy. Really? Yes, we did. Yeah. It's pretty wild, man. And this is, is this our second or, this is our second Super Bowl we've done together? Yeah. Right?

Same team. Last time. And I want to get kind of just on this thing again about, you know, our mental health, it's not just depression and anxiety, right? Mental health that six inches in between your ears also leads to greatness. So, you know, I change this to a mental wealth podcast. And one of the things about being great is, find out who the best is and do more than that over and over and over and over.

And that's one of the things when I first met you, you're like, hey, I'm, I can do something different. But every year, I want you to explain to people, you don't just sit and say, okay, this worked for me last year. You always build. You always keep adding stuff each year. Who taught that to you and explain a little bit about that to people? Because that's really the, that's how you become great by always trying to get better every year.

Yeah, it's really like internal scouting. I mean, you kind of find, you know, every player has their things that they're great at and they have some things that they may be deficient or not as good at. So everybody has things to attack. And so as you get older, people get more stiff. Their ability decreases. So work a lot on that and then work a lot in, you know, some moving, some weight and some, you know, two or three lifts that I think are functional for football.

And then, yeah, I mean, I do that. usually five days a week during the all season throughout the year. I do go on vacations, but I make sure that the gym is there and that, you know, I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. But I think, you know, listen to your body is one thing and then,

you know, as you get older and just, yeah, I think it's worked well. But what the first thing to do is, you know, try to attack your weaknesses and, you know,

stay consistent with that. But it's not just, you know, getting stronger. It's also how you rehab better, how you sleep better, how you eat better, Like every year you come up with something else.

Every office says no, it's not just about what you lifting. You figure it out too. There's more recovery, something else I can do for recovery, breathing, breathwork, sleeping, eating, everything. Yeah, I mean, a lot of, like, just stress control, the breath works, some of the best. Love the sauna. Love the cold plunge. That's kind of part of, you know, the routine now.

But, yeah, I mean, I think the thing is, it's not sexy, it's not cool, but it's being consistent with it, and that's what you find. you know, as the time goes on, some people stay on the train with it or some people hop off. Tell everybody what you learn from me doing the MMA stuff, me and Rand in, Chuck. Yeah, I mean, just got to talk about learning new techniques and they're there to help you. But really about, you know, fighting and, you know, stuff's just going to go bad. And, you know, you may throw up a few times and not feel very good about yourself. But as the days go on, you start getting better and you improve.

and, you know, you're not the same person you were, you know, a few weeks from when you started, you start changing. Yeah, look, we told you when you come in, we're going to change. I told you, man, you follow us. We'll change your grandkids' lives. You know, the hardest shit you're doing, we'll make football easy, but you make it a fight, right? You don't show that you're hurt as we start wearing them down, but we work on your hands, we work on your hips more than we make you make you violent.

When we make it a fight every fucking play. And that's what you got to do in football. It's what you've got to do in life. but most people just, they're going to want to tap out. Most people don't sign up for a fight. They sign up for a business or a sport or a game, not a fight. Yeah, people need to talk to themselves more than they listen to themselves. So try that a little bit.

Say, explain that. Talk to yourself is, come on, you can do this instead of listening to your, the good wolf, bad wolf. I like that a lot. Give me the, again, since you've come out and talking about menthol, I've got one or two questions left for you. How many players come up to, like, does it happen offensive guys coming up to you during the game? Before games, just like thanking you for making it okay for us to talk about this?

Yeah, it's usually like after games, usually when we had time to talk, which is probably the coolest thing. So, you know, it's happened numerous times. And, you know, we exchange numbers or, you know, talk a lot out to the game, but really kind of build a connection from the game after that, which is really cool. Do you pride yourself for this? Yeah.

You know, I think it's helped me and it's helped others. And I think it's, that's ultimately what it's about. And I think it's authentic, so, which is, you know, all I care about. People always say to me, Jay, you're so courageous by opening up. And I don't view it that way. I just, I know how you do. Like, I never saw it being courageous. I'm just like, hey, man, if I could be a service, someone.

Yeah, I'm fucked up. And I'm learning to be good by my fucked up. This is if it can help you? I'm going to do it. Do you feel what's your thought? How does it make you feel? feeling someone says it to you? Yeah, well, I thought I'm better able to communicate myself and, you know, it's allowed me to change and to, you know, grow to the person I want to become

and not let any setbacks or any fear or anything that I have in front of me set me back. So that's really what it's what it's about. All right, brother, I appreciate you joining us, man. I know we're a little abbreviate here. Super Bowl week. Love you, dude. Love everything that appreciate you leaning into me on those, those hard days on Sundays and every day, Because when you lean into me, dude, even though you're trying to get help for you, it lifts me up too. It allows me to be your brother. So I appreciate it. My Tides, raise all the boats. That's how to go on.

Love you too. Love you, brother. Good luck this week. I'll see you down there. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it.

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