The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Unbreakable Episode 16 - Terry Bradshaw

Episode Date: December 21, 2022

Welcome to Unbreakable! A mental health podcast hosted by Fox NFL Insider Jay Glazer. On today's episode, the one and only Terry Bradshaw joins Jay for a conversation unlike any he has ever done. Find out what gave him the courage to be one of the first athletes to talk about mental health, why he uses humor as a shield and so much more. Plus, Terry shares three things no-one knows about the NFL's most famous play the 'Immaculate Reception' celebrating its 50th anniversary this Friday!  Follow, rate & review Unbreakable with Jay Glazer here!https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unbreakable-with-jay-glazer/id1641935224   #fsr #oddcouple #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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a mental health podcast, helping you out of the gray and into the blue. Now, here's Jay Glaser. Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental health podcast. podcast with Jay Glazer, and I've been trying to figure out how do I possibly introduce this cat in the right way. You know what? It's holiday week, family, and this dude has been part of your family for probably decades and decades, but he's been part of my family for the last 20 years at Fox Infel Sunday. And probably most famous for coming out with a Christmas album, I would say.

He's done a couple other things. It's one and only Terry Bradshaw, everybody. Thanks, Jay Glazer. Yeah, thanks for bringing up that Christmas album. That's the only reason I wanted you on it is holiday week. I hear you. Hey, you know, I am going to do a Christmas album, though. Hey, so you can't hold this talent back, man. You know that.

So listen, I really, it's amazing because we have been together for 20 years. I've spent more holidays with you than I have my own family. That's what we are. We're different. And people always look at us. But the thing that makes Terry different for me, this is a mental health podcast. And I've opened up about my struggles, obviously writing a book this year and unbreakable,

how I turn my depression, anxiety and a motivation, and you can too, and now doing a podcast on it. But Terry was way ahead of all of us, ahead of his time, ahead of every dude out there in talking about mental health for men. And what it did for me since 2005 on, I, every time I've been on our show, Fox and Iville Sunday, I've had a panic attack. I've suffered a massive panic attack every single show. And I didn't know what it was until one day I heard you talking about it about seven years later.

So you kind of led the path for a lot of us. So it's definitely for me. And I don't know if I've ever told you how grateful I am for you for that. But you're talking about it, man, has really made a difference in my life. I believe the major reason why men do not talk about it is because they feel as though it's a sign of weakness. And it isn't a sign of weakness, a sign of weakness if you don't do something about it. And once you have experienced depression, panic attacks, and you seek help and you get help, you were so overjoyed with the fact that now there's something that can help you be normal and feel good.

You asked yourself, why did I go to a doctor sooner? And the main thing they have always said to men, look, don't be ashamed of this. Go to a doctor. Let's see your doctor and seek help, especially if you want to, if you want to be able to, in some cases, control it. And in other cases, maybe even prevent it. In other cases, is a solution for handling the moment. So I had an opportunity to do that. Same as you.

You didn't know what you were dealing with. And I didn't either until I finally. had such a massive breakdown, I sought help. And when I did that, and they diagnosed me, and I went, wow, this is the greatest moment of my life. Because it's one thing to feel bad. It's another thing not to know why you feel bad. Sure.

And we don't want to know why, you know, we don't know why. And so that was a great moment for me. But it's primarily, man, just don't want to, you know, we're just macho. Jay, you've heard me say this. I've had men in a grocery store, slide up to me while I'm pulling a can. of beans or soup off a shelf and pretend as though they're looking through the shit and say, hey, man, I appreciate what you said about depression. And, you know, I suffer from that too. And I've gotten help. And then they slide on still. Isn't that great? Isn't that amazing?

Yeah, but it's men just, yeah, for some reason, won't go seek help. But TB, so listen, I had you. Okay. So you've made me more comfortable. So, you know, people always say, oh, you're brave for coming out and and talking about your depression, anxiety. I'm like, no, no, no, no. I had somebody before me. I had one of my coworkers talk about it. You didn't. Like, what gave you the courage to finally, to be able to come out and speak about it openly?

Well, first of all, I got tired of the sickness. I was so miserable, Jay, that I had to, I didn't know what was wrong with me. Hey, what do I have? What disease? What I had cancer? What? And if you've ever had a panic attack, a massive panic, as you well know. Yeah.

It was like a heart attack. Yeah, you're dying. Yep. Yeah. And so finally, I went and talked to my preacher quietly and told him he sent me, he sent me to a psychologist. And I spent three years with the psychologist in getting treatment, psychological treatment. What period of your life was? Oh, wow.

Were your plan? Was it after? No, no, no, no. What I, well, when you go, what happens is when you go back in your life, And you go, oh, my gosh, there was one, there's one, there's one, there's one. You start identifying them. They primarily, when I played in all the stress, and I wouldn't say anything to anybody, and I'd go back to the house and be just sick of the dog and scared.

And that was when I was playing. And so we were able to just based on my recollection of events in my life, I was able to find that after a great, like a sort of, Super Bowl victory. I was always, I'd go into a deep depression. After a great high of anything, I'd go into a great depression. And then when I'd go into this depression, I ended up making horrible decisions, horrible decisions. I got married coming out of two of those when I had no right doing that. I mean, it was such a sickness with me. And when I finally sought help and started to see in the light of day, I was so proud of myself. There's a little saying, psychiatrists,

say, don't tell your children, you're proud of them. Tell them, aren't you proud of yourself? And I was proud of myself for seeking help and getting the answers that I needed. And that's easily, Jay, one of the greatest moments of my life. Because those, as you well know, and you're still having them. I told you Sunday, I had a bad day, remember? Yes, you did. Yep.

Yes. That's right. We can now talk about things like this openly. Yeah. We want to do that years ago. But go ahead. And I know when I'm in a bad day. Here's another thing.

I know I'm skipping around here. My wife knows when I'm having a bad day. Right. There's too many signs that give it away. And she comes out and puts her arm around me. And she says, what can I do? And she knows I just need to sit and I need to just take some deep breaths. I need to relax.

And I don't need to be bothered. And I don't want to talk. I already been through all of that. I just sit back. sit down, go back through it, and then work myself out of it. I was, when you said it to me the other day, it's so cool for me, because I've said it to you, that's really the first time you've leaned into me and said, hey, man, I had a bad day.

So I was, I love you your teammate that day. Yeah. And I knew it. And you were there and you were, you were Jay Glazer. I said, I get you. I understand it. I get it. I know what you do.

At three years of sessions. So I know. And that, and that, that was a. another thing, Jay. One of the real keys for me, I was lucky I stumbled into this, was to go to therapy sessions because I had to identify what was wrong with me. I had to identify what triggers it. And that's a long time because even as today, I don't take medicines, but I took medicines for a long time. Then as I got more educated on depression and understood the triggers of it, I basically tried to avoid them, but sometimes, you know, you can't.

Yeah, yep. You can't avoid them. But the other day, it was just a classic example. I tell everybody out there right now. I flew to L.A. I've been gone all week, talked my wife into staying home because I was coming out and coming right back. I moved into a new hotel where you are.

So I traveled all week. I was tired. I flew to L.A. People were, you know, jumping all of me for pictures and autographs. And I got to the hotel and then saw you that night at the hotel and with Howie. And my mind was, my mind was just like this. And when I got back, you know, it was, you know, it was a bad day and I didn't sleep good. It's just a bad day.

Times like that, you're just completely out of your, when we get out of our rhythm, right? When we get out of what makes us comfortable, when we get out of those rocks, right, that the things that we know are our pillars to help us through it when they're not there, ooh, we spiral, right? Yeah. But now, like I said, now you've got a teammate. You can turn to him. Be like, hey, man, had a bad day where neither one of us had that years ago.

Dude didn't have that. You and I aren't looking at each other going, oh, just sucking up. We're like, hey, we got you back. I got your back. That's what dude's got to realize. That's the reaction you get. I got your back. Listen, I want to tell you something.

I was having a moment during an interview with Bryant Gumble. and it was a real downer interview. It was an appropriate interview. It was a good interview, but it was a really low interview for me. And as the interview went on, I got deeper and deeper and deeper to a point where I broke down on the air. And I wasn't embarrassed at all. You know, I knew where I was going. And I was fighting it off.

Okay. Now, I didn't have a, my only support group is my doctor. And I passed him off to my wife. And my wife now is I picked the phone up and go, hey, and she's, you know, Tammy, man, she's awesome. And I had this breakdown on the HBO thing with Brian Gumble. And one of our good friends made fun of me when he saw it. And he went, and I told him years later, I said, that hurt, that hurt, because I was hurting. And that hurt.

And he deeply apologized for that. But see, there's why men don't talk about it. Because another man who don't deal with this don't understand. It's like they don't understand. But now, if you pick the phone up and say, TV, I'm having a rough go, man. Okay, let's talk about it. You know, let's get off this cliff together, you know, or vice versa. First one, I told you, all I wanted from you was, I just wanted to tell you I had a rough day and I knew you would understand.

It meant the world to me. There's a lot of teammates out there for us that we don't realize our teammates. You find your teammate and you tell them. And a lot of times exactly the same thing. I don't need anything back to be said to me. I just want to get it out. So I'll tell you. I'll tell Howie.

I'll tell Kurt, whatever it is. When I'm having a panic attack now, because I hit it, I hit the panic attacks from everybody but you for all these years. Right. I just hit it from everybody. Yeah. Also, I didn't want to fuck up your show. It's your show. It's your day that day.

I've got to handle it. But now that you all. know it's easier for me to just walk over to anyone and you can go oh fuck i'm having one yeah yeah yeah and you know who you can walk over and say that too you know what i'm saying yeah yeah yeah yeah there's certain people who love you but they won't handle that very well so we don't involve them right yeah and that's fine and that's fine because everybody absolutely every friend has certain certain things they do for us to to lift us up right everybody's for this right there's some people are great training partners some people just great teammates and other ways.

A million percent. Now, one of the things I do, when I'm having a panic attack on the air, that's when I'll push out a joke to get myself through because laughter, I always say that Gray hates laughter. Right. Right. And you're the funniest motherfucker ever ever met my entire life. Do you use that on this podcast? Yes, of course.

Oh, are you going to get on me now for that? Terry gets, Terry of all things, he gets to me when I curse. I curse because I'm from Jersey and New York. That's why I curse. and I use it appropriately. So he called on me the other night. But you are the funniest SOB I've ever met my life. Is it all natural for you or is half of it so you could overcome your brain?

Do you use the same way I do it? No, it's natural. I've always, you know, I'm no Rodney Dangerfield, but I see. Give yourself for respect. I search for him. I search for humor. I find that humor is a great hugger. Humor brings a lot of love and smile to people's faces and breaks a lot of barriers.

And I've always been funny. I've been funny since I can remember since it's a little kid. So I search for that, you know, even on our pregame show, I'm always searching for something that's a little bit on the happy side, you know, because people have had a rough week and they don't want to hear X's and O's, and they want to tell them a little bit about their team and whether they're going to win and make them feel good about it. That's kind of the approach I take, but humor's always, and listen, have I used humor to protect myself? Absolutely. When I played in Pittsburgh, absolutely. That was my shield.

And the problem with that, though, is that after a while, people begin to think of you only as the funny guy, and they don't realize that there is also the other side of humor. And I like to coin Robin Williams, who says, people that are really funny. of geniuses. So I like to think that that's the only time I'm ever a genius. But humor, I love humor. It's soothing to the soul and it breaks barriers, as you said, Jay. You can use it to deflect hate and anger and negative.

Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman. recommended it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.

Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.

And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories, that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger.

So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do?

little Kim. Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but yeah, yeah, literally. But just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS. on the table right now.

Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You always ask me. It's one of questions you get all the time.

Is he really like that in real life? I'm like, oh, that's him. I'm like, who you see is who you get. But we are on the field for, and just the way you delivered it, dude. We're on the field for the kickoff of the Super Bowl. And I wrote this in my book, TV. And it's the 100th anniversary, right, of the Super Bowl. It's the Centennial of the Super Bowl.

And I'm standing there. It's me, Howie, Terry, Jimmy Stray, Kurt Raw, standing there. And Terry turns to us all and says, you know, this whole 100th anniversary of the NFL, this went off great. They should do this again next year. But here's the thing, Jay. here's the thing I got a little bit

Yogi Berra in me I don't for some reason like the other day we're in New York with Tammy and I and the kids and I come up on East 42nd Street and we're all in this big sedan

we're going to this function and I said hey man is this where they filmed Miracle on 34th Street and I got halfway through it and I stopped and just started laughing it just

It's just what happens. I don't understand. I don't understand it, you know. Do you have a favorite moment that made you, that you still laugh at, that you said something on the show or in your own show, they just cracks you up? That's hard. It's like asking a comedian. Hey, hey, Jay, the other night, this banquet, a dysfunction that kept saying, the MC kept saying, hey, Terry, you're last, buddy. We can't wait to get to you 20 minutes later.

Hey, Terry, just sit there and enjoy the evening. You're last, man. And it's all these executives and all these heads of these companies and all and a lot of people in our industry. And I'm like, I turned to Tammy and said, am I being paid for this? Because am I giving a motivational speech? That's the way it was. And this went on for two hours.

Hey, dude, it made me nervous. So I had to get up and perform. Yeah. I had to do it. Yeah. And I did 25 minutes of comedy. So you're in a game recently. Yeah.

You're there. And the rock. He's the biggest star in the world. He wrote the forward to my book. He's one of my teammates that I reach out to when I'm struggling. He is the best. But he leaves me basically a seven-minute voicemail. I just met Terry Bradshaw.

Man, I just met my. He's my hero. He's my eye. Oh, my. And he is going, I've never heard him like this, just going nuts without you. How much he looks up to you. Wow. Who for Terry Bradshaw?

Who would you go? Oh, my God. Well, it wouldn't be an athlete, no disrespect. It would be Vince Lombardi. Oh. I think that would have been, I've often said, I would have to have played for Tom Landry. I would have loved to play for Bill Walsh and Don Correale. Three of the great minds of football.

and I'd like to take what I thought what I could apply to life or play. I'd like to take all that I could get from them and put it in one peel and have all that knowledge to swallow. But those are some of the... Wow. It's really not...

I met Tom Cruise and I didn't have time to get... My daughter was with me and she's going, oh my God, Dad, Dad, Dad, Dad. There's Tom Cruise. We're doing the 10-year anniversary of the Tonight Show. Dad, Dad, Dad. She's pulling on my... Rachel, she's gone, dad, there's Tom Cruise.

I said, I know, just be cool. Tom Cruise. So we're standing up there because it's Cher and all these people. I'm just a little little football player. And Jay Leno asked me to be a part of his 10-year anniversary, which I was flattered. But I don't know these people. That's not my circle. And Tom Cruise came in with an entourage, five or six people.

And they came in, of course, everybody on the Tonight Show. You know, as they should, they made a fuss over and everything. We were just standing there. We were off maybe 30 feet up against the wall. And then he saw me and he just, he just parted ways and came over and gave me a hug. That's cool. I said, this is Rachel. And he says, hey, sweetie, you're so beautiful, gave her a hug.

When you can meet someone that's famous, we all are impressed. And they're super nice, man. That's cool. That goes a long way with me. And does something for your kid even better. Right. He didn't have to do that. That's cool.

That's very cool. And that's like I met the rock at the stadium. Like you said, biggest star in the world right now. And he couldn't have been nicer, man. I never met him. What a sweetheart. Dude, he's my, he's the most genuine front I have. He's the most authentically, like, genuine friend I have.

Right. Yeah. It was, I liked meeting him. I like meeting those guys. I think it's cool to meet him. So you talked about these offensive coaches, and you called the real plays, and people don't realize. you called your own plays.

Right. I mean, it's stressful enough just to perform, much less having to call your own place, basically being your own office coordinator. Right. Would you have preferred that's how your career went that you called your own place? Or would you have preferred that you would have had like, like you said, a Shaw McVeigh or Don Corriello or somebody else do it?

If I had those guys as my coach, first of all, you learn the offense. Then you study the offense in the application. The key is not knowing what, uh, Trips right flood E. Okay, there it is. Why am I going trips right, flood E? Here's what it does to the defense. See, that's what you want to know.

Okay, when I get this defense, where's the weakness? Where do I go? What if they blitz? So I gather as much knowledge as I can about one formation, all right? And if I could do that with Corey, I'll know the two I talked to you about and learn all of that stuff. I would prefer to call my own plays. I don't want to lose a game and as a competitor and a quarterback walk off the field and go back into the locker room going, what a dumb game plan. We didn't attack.

We didn't this. We didn't that. And you have no control of it. And then here comes the press and they're jumping all over you because you didn't have a good game. And you've heard me say this. Offensive coordinators don't always have good games. Right. And the quarterbacks pay for it.

So I would, if I'm going to sink or swim, I want to sink or swim making my own choices. But I would be educated, okay? I want to make sure that I apply all of this with the proper understanding of what it dictates to a defense and where I can go with it. And that takes a lot of work and a lot of time. I'd rather call my own plays. I started calling my own plays in college. And I would set up all the fronts that I'd set up, you know, 979, 368, 30. You know, I'd set up all the, and I love it.

It's just so much fun to do that and or to get in a huddle. When I'm in a huddle with the linemen and everyone, I can say, okay, we've ran this, we ran that. I thought this was going to work. Hey, John, what's going on? What do you think we? And then they'll say, hey, this guy's jumping inside. Let's try the special. Okay, let's give that a shot.

When you're, when you are the commander and chief, I can do what. I want to do. They're going to listen. And also, I'm smart enough to know they're out there with boots on the ground, okay, to use that phrase. I'm just sitting back here. I'm the four-star general looking through binoculars. They know what's going on.

And I lean on them for knowledge. And that's how I ran the offense. We would change. If we went 62 dig, Stalworth, I may say, hey, look, don't clear to the post this time run an option on him. And if the digs are covered, I'll know what they're doing because instead of going to the post you may, and being covered, go to the corner or the queue or whatever, and be uncovered. And so we did that all the time, change routes up on plays that we call it because it made no sense to run to be covered. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged.

It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clipper Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball. basketball to college football or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream,

this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-taped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do a little kill?

Well, you can find out on the Look Back at It Podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack.

I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed correct. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people.

Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This week's the 50th anniversary or the Immaculate Reception. Yeah.

Yeah. Give me something about the Immaculate Reception. that you know and the rest of the world doesn't know. Something we just don't know about. Well, here's something. Full right split, 66 circle option. That's the play. Circle is with the halfback, Frenchie Fuqua, bending around and going to the middle of the

football field to attract the safety. The option is with the split in, takeoff, post, corner, whatever. 66 says full back, stay in and block, tied in, stay in block, come on. I'm up and lay it on the outside with the flanker. That's an option. Frankl had to block. He didn't block a soul. When I dropped back and got flushed out, he literally was standing there watching me.

Because he and I watched this together three weeks ago. Really? Yeah. I said, look, you didn't block a soul. You didn't block a soul. Hey, hey, Terry. Hey, yeah. The guy went inside.

He stutters a little bit. The guy went inside. And he just stand in there. This is unbelievable. I'm bailing out trying to avoid being sacked. It was fourth down, 22 seconds left, and that was the play. And I swung, I raised my arm like this to avoid being tackled. And the guy missed my arm.

And when I brought the arm, I went like this. And when the arm came down, I fired it. Because I saw a black jersey, and I got hit, and I went down. Didn't know what happened. Heard to roar of the crowd, knew it was a touchdown, knew it was a touchdown. touchdown. Okay. The roar told me it's a touchdown. We were just trying to get first down, not a touchdown, but knew it was a touchdown and got up and, you know, I didn't see it. So I'm asking, what happened? What happened? What happened? What happened? What happened? And it took a long

time. I didn't really understand what happened, Jay, until I got in the locker room. And they were able to tell me what happened. And I went from being this giant hero who stood in the pocket. And I of board being sacked, gunned that bad boy down there, hit whoever it was that caught it. And they went down the sideline and, man, I'm going to be doing endorsements, commercials. I mean, he wrote a million. But when they described it, Jack Tatum comes up, he blasts, he, blasts, he, follows flying back, Franco catches it off the ground or whatever. He runs down the sideline and you go, really?

Really? Kind of the air out of it a little. Really? Something you may not know is Mr. Rooney had left his owner's box. And went to the locker room to congratulate us on a good year. He didn't know we won. Wow, really? Yeah.

He heard the roar, but he didn't know what it was. Wow. That's incredible. And the other thing, the other thing that your folks might be interested in, back then there was, what, a 24-hour or 48-hour sell-out rule? And if you didn't sell all the tickets, the game was blocked. Blacked out, right? Yeah.

This game was blocked out. Blacked out. There's blackout on TV? Yes. I didn't know that. Half of the city of Pittsburgh was empty because everybody drove out of town to watch it somewhere else. But the city of Pittsburgh did not get the game because the game was not a sellout. No, what?

Oh, that's incredible. It is. No, what, that's. I just found, hey, I just found that out. Really? I didn't. Yeah. That's unbelievable.

And I asked Franco, he's done some research, man. He's got this thing down. And I asked him, I said, you never do answer the question, did you trap it on the ground? And I said, I've always told everybody you trapped it because you get the worst hands on the team. But I saw an end zone and he caught it about a foot off the ground. And I said, what made you go down? Because he took off running down the field toward French.

And he said, Joe Paterno taught us that when the ball is released, run to the ball. And that's what I was doing. And that's why he was in. To make the catch, yeah. All right. Before I let's you go, I got two more questions for you. That's it. Okay.

Because one of them is the other most incredible thing that you never told us. We had to read it in the Athletic a year ago. When you had surgery on your elbow and you went in and you went under somebody else's name, who's named? Right. Tom Brady. Folks, this is a true story. And this is what year was this? This would have been 81.

So, 1981. Yeah. Right. Which I don't know how old Tom Brady wasn't in 81. But this is obviously before Tom Brady, right, folks? Right. The coincidence of coincidences, Tamp Ratra goes in to get a surgery under the, you know,

he wasn't anonymous. The alias of Tom Brady. Right. That's prophetic. That's like, wow. The original TB12 going to TB12. And you never thought to tell us. Yeah.

I never thought about it. It had to be brought to my attention. It's been too many years ago. Hey, hey, it's been, I've been in TV 43 years. That's a long time. I hear you that. But there's only one time Brady that we know of at Jeff Ratchett. Like, you would think that it would have jogged your memory.

You called your own plays. You would think this would have jogged your own memory. Didn't think about it. Hey, Jay, never crossed my mind. It is kind of funny. Yeah. You know what I think. You know what I think. I told it to Brady this year. Brady didn't know. I told him training camp this year.

He's like, what? I'm like, you would have thought he goes, you thought he would have told you? Yeah, you thought he would. Yeah. I got a nice, I'm with a nice agency, a really nice agency. And why Tom and I have not done a commercial gather is we should do one. Don't you think you just? Absolutely. Because I'm always calling myself the original TV. Of what you are. And I love him.

And he respects it. Yeah. I did a deal with Dick Butch because it was a visa commercial. I took the ball. I broke your back. I ran so far. And it was, oh, yes. I remember it well.

And we did that take. It was hilarious. A hilarious. And I can only imagine the fun that we can have with Tom and I doing us, you know. Well, I think that'll come up when he works with us. I hope so. I'm hearing now, and you know more than I do, I'm hearing he's even talking about coming back next year.

Golly. I don't see it happen. So my last question here, I ask everybody, guess this. You know, you could take it, whatever you want. I always ask people, what's your unbreakable moment? Like, what's that moment in your life? It's called unbreakable. That something should have broke you, but didn't.

And you came through the other side of that tunnel, and you're stronger as a result. There's a phrase. I heard on television and a guy by the other name of Whitley Phipps used it before he sang this song. And being a guy that speaks to a lot of corporations, I used to, I don't as much anymore. But I almost always use this because it sets up a good ending. And it goes, it's in the quiet crucible of your personal private suffering that your noblest dreams are born in God's greatest gifts. are given to you for what you've been through.

And that says it all right there. I'm most proud, most proud of not letting them break me in Pittsburgh. When they called me dumb and stupid and basically had nobody defending me as kind of like a man on an island. And I was sitting in my room, Jake, all by myself, not married. And I had emotional breakdown. And I had this incredible talk to myself. I've never said this. where I said, I am not going to let them take this from me.

I am not going to be destroyed by these negative people. You know, nobody is going to steal my dream. I own it. It's mine. And I had this incredible self-motivating talk to myself. And it was from that moment on that I developed. I did, how he loves it when I say mirror economics or mirror self-evaluation. What does that mean?

It means stand in front of a mirror and have a talk with yourself. And you'll tell yourself, you low life, you non-working dog, you better do this. You know, I call it mirror economics, but it's basically, it's a self-evaluation. And when you do that and you're all alone by yourself, you're going to be brutally honest. You're not going to try to pull something over someone's eyes or pretend to be something you're not. You're going to be brutally honest with yourself. And you're going to take that and you're going to apply it to your life. life. And it was that time where I decided I'm weak emotionally. Everything bothers me. I need a pat on the

back. I need love. I need this. I need that. But I'm not and I'm not and I'm not. And from this day forward, you know, as you said, the shield is up and my shield of armor is up and nobody's going to break in. And I'm going to turn this around. It may not have been in Pittsburgh. It may have been somewhere else, but thank God it was in Pittsburgh. That is my unbreakable moment. TB, I love your brother. That is the way to finish off the Unbreakable podcast. Oh, my God.

And what a message to give to people during the holidays too. Holidays can be hard for a lot of people. I love you, my brother. Love you, brother. Thanks for having me on. Happy Hanukkah, Merry Christmas. You know, enjoy your family, enjoy your friends, and be nice to people. Folks, let's keep walking.

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