The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Unbreakable Episode 48 - Michael Oher

Episode Date: August 9, 2023

Welcome to Unbreakable! A mental health podcast hosted by Fox NFL Insider Jay Glazer. On today’s episode, Super Bowl Champion Michael Oher, whose life inspired the Oscar-nominated film The Blind Side, shares his inspirational journey from the streets of Memphis overcoming the most challenging times, to the NFL and what he's doing now to help others. Follow, rate & review Unbreakable with Jay Glazer here!https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unbreakable-with-jay-glazer/id1641935224#fsr #benmallershow #dpshow #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win.

A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifers Show. This is a place for raw, unfilled conversations with athletes,

creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok's podcast network on TikTok. This is Unbreakable with Jay Glaser,

a mental health podcast, helping you out of the gray and into the blue. Now, here's Jay Glaser. Welcome back to Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer. Our guest today is an unbelievable human being. His story fantastic, and he really epitomized the type of guy who isn't a victim by what's happened to him. Instead, he's using his own experience, his own adversity to turn around and help teach

others, what we all need to do. But I think in today's day and age, where it's an even harder day, stories like this are even more valuable. Before I get to him, I feel like many people, you may be surprised to learn that one in five adults in this country, experienced mental illness last year. I'm definitely one of them. you have far too many failed to receive the support they need. Carolyn Behavioral Health is doing something about it.

They understand that behavioral health is a key part of whole health, delivering compassionate care that treats physical, mental, emotional, and social needs in tandem. Carolyn, behavioral health, raising the quality of life through empathy and action. With that, I want to welcome in. Michael Orr, you guys may know him, his story from the blind side. He's won a Super Bowl, first round pick. He's played for years and years.

he actually just came out with the second book as well. How are you, big guy? Well, I'm great, Jay. Appreciate you having me on. Before I get to your new book, you know, a rough story growing up. What's it like watching it played by other people on TV? Well, I've always been a movie guy, even before the blindside came out. But, you know, for me, it was kind of funny.

It wasn't that big of a deal because I knew how much more pain and how rough of a story and the things that I actually went through that, you couldn't get, you, you weren't going to feel the amount of things that I went through in that movie. So I understood that right off the bat, you know, from watching the move the first time I saw it. So, no, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't look at it as a big deal as everybody else did because I knew whoever saw that wasn't going to understand who I was and what I actually went through. What were the some of the the things that were more difficult that maybe weren't in the movie that you actually had overcome. To be honest with you, I would say, you know, from the ages of three to 12 years old,

I was on the streets, I was in shelters, I was in foster care. And I, from 11 to 12, I lived a year and a half on the streets by myself running from the authorities after I ran away from foster care, foster home that I was living in. So, you know, from your first memory being homeless and just having to survive and go through all of that from three to 12 years old. And people don't understand that. That's three lifetimes that you've lived already. And where you are mentally at that stage, you're already thinking on the streets as an adult. So from the point to going to college and NFL, everything like that, that's a bonus.

But when you're 18, you know, when I'm coming from where I came from, you know, you're just happy to be alive and surviving around that time. Three to 12 also is when you're supposed to learn from what your mom and dad, you know, those years had to become a young man and to becoming a man. And you didn't have that. What did you take from what you did learn those years for you now to teach your own something? Man, I really learned what not to be and what not to do,

just do the total opposite. I learned to basically whatever, everything that I wanted in a father, in a family. That's what I'm doing now, being there every day. I hate when I have to go off to another city or state or leave the house.

You know, implementing what hard work truly is, what it's like to, you know, half character, what not to be, and, you know, how to go out here

and be a law-abiding citizen and just not to be a statistic and do the right thing. every day and to go out and chase greatness. So, you know, I mean, it's something that I can't explain. I try not to talk about too much because that's the last thing that I have. You know, everybody thinks that they know who I am. That's all I have left for me.

But being a family man, a father is everything to me. It's nothing. It's not a joke. And, you know, it's just something that everybody should do and go through. Now, listen, I think because what you went through, listen, our scars make us who we are. right forget the accolades forget all the other shit like i never walk in a room and be like yeah man i'm on the tv hall of fame i don't do that shit i walk in a room like man i've had seven

back procedures because of fighting and you know my ankle broke twice and my nose seven times and this cut off like my scars or something i could always hang my hat on to make me special and different the rest of the room out there can you do the same thing can you look at it because because i know you have some look you're going to have some anger and animosity built up whatnot. Could you now switch it and be like, no, this is what, that's my currency, my scar is my currency? Man, I say that all the time. It's nothing better. Nobody, I mean, I wouldn't have a story if I didn't go through the things that I went through. So who in the heck wants to, I don't want to go to, I don't want to go through all this, go through nothing

and be successful. I mean, what we got to talk about. Right. You know, we need to be, we need to be, I like to be one with you. I like to talk about, man, you know, all the battles and the homeless nights, the starve and the change in the mindset where you're about to go down one path and you go down another. You got sage right here because someone helped you out.

So, you know, that's what I like. And that's what I love being around people who are tougher, smarter, better shape, because I know I can beat me. Because I've been through so many struggles. I know that I can just be me now, you know, And I've been through the worst. I've been through everything that you can imagine.

So I just, I like being around those type of people, man, where I can just, man, I can just be, just be me happy about just being around just positivity. So, you know, I love it. So a guy like me, dude, my mental health issues will always tell me I don't deserve shit. Like, I'm not deserving anything, you know. So when good things tend to happen to me, I tend to either sabotage them or run away. away from them. I'm not like that anymore because the work I've done of myself, but years ago, that's what I would have done. I pushed every girl ever had away from me until a beautiful woman I'm with now, when that happened with you and your high school coach's wife brought

you in, were you able to receive it and be like, oh, yes, yes, I deserve it, or were you like, I don't know about this right here? No, I never, man, it's, I hate being. I mean, it's a, it's a tough world of being. I hate it. I really hate it. I don't know who I hate it. I it for me. I don't know. Man, when you've been, like I said, you wouldn't do so much. You've been in the street for so long. I guess you're expecting it not to be true at those times.

It's going to end here pretty soon. Man, that's tough. That's just like winning the Super Bowl, not being able to celebrate fully like a person that's thinking normally, normal would celebrate. Not, man, so many achievements.

You really don't feel feel it because it's almost like you're numb. And something you can't heal from. You just, I think you see the joy in everybody else. And you try to, for me, I try to live, the joy that people are giving me, I try to live through that joy, seeing them happy. But no, I don't, when you took so many losses, you failed so much. And you just, like birthdays, Christmas gifts, everything like that.

It's just, I like seeing everybody else happy for me. Do you have faith in your life now? Most definitely. Are you saying faith in what? Just faith in your life like, man, I deserve good shit now. You know, I've always, man. That's a hard question, right? I think we all deserve some.

But I think I don't know. I'm going to just keep working, man, towards something. I don't care what that is. And I've never quite knew the journey that I was going on. So I think for me, I've always. wanted to be humble. I've always tried to, you know, I feel that. Are you afraid you're going to jigs it? You just hit it on the head. See, that's the thing, ma'am. Right? When you failed so much, like I said, when you failed and constantly failed, and when you think you

reached a pinnacle and you're still on the other side of that failure because of the negativity and people judging you and misunderstanding you and you wishing for other things. So I just let it happen. I just let things happen. And that works for me. You know, I just keep working for, keep working until something happened. You know, if not, I'm just keep going. But if it doesn't, you know, I don't, you know, I don't feel that I don't want to mess it up. I used to be the same way. I just always think, man, I don't want to jinx it.

I'm not going to do this. And then one day, man, it's like I got an epiphany. Like, man, the universe conspires to help us. It ain't against us. And once I started kind of believing that, I was able to, I think things were right in front of my face that I hadn't. been able to see before, now I can see him. And it's also like, I don't want to live in fear. So if we start living in faith, not fear, that's a much better way for us to live. I got to start using that. That faith, you know, fear, I think what drove me all my life is fear.

It's not willing to go back, not want to fail, want to see everybody else succeed and not fail. So I think that's what I'm driven by fear, running away from things. faith that's a that's a hell of a thing too right there uh when i pray i'm a big energy person you know i love energy pray a lot energy is everything to me and i think i've always given out great energy and i always been positive i'm a big cheerleader of people and like i said everybody else's success is uh that's success to me but uh you know with the energy energy is everything Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football,

or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations

with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind, the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger.

So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network. on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs

at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do a little Kim? Well, you can find out

on the Look Back at It podcast. I'm Sam Jett. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode

with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84's big to me, me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now.

Thank you finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

No, that. And for you, I'll tell you something else that. I don't want to just be like therapy session, but, you know, you're going to share with your teammates, right? But something that really helped me, man. I was out in Thailand last year. Went for 35 days for this like mind-body spirit thing. Fought Muay in the jungles for 35 days.

That was a, ate all like anti-inflammatory foods. But I work with these monks. We're like our therapist, but they just come at a different angle. And they're like, hey, we don't want you to talk for anybody for like three days. Like three days, I got ADHD. I can't not talk to anybody for three days. That's painful, right? And they're like, what we want you to do is for three days.

We just want you to sit in your own pain. And I said, I sit my pain every day. They said, no, you experience your pain every day. We want you to sit in that pain. And I said, what did you call yourself growing up? Was it Jay? I said, no, it was Jason. I went by Jason.

Sorry. We want you to sit in your pain and hold little Jason's head. She's shown some compassion because he probably never felt like he had him. And he was always on the run. And just love him up. Like, just love him up. And man, I did that for three days, brother.

It was, and I still do. Like, every day I'll go out, I'll lay on my couch out here. I'll meditate. I'll start looking at a little Jason. I'll put my arm around him. I'll like, hey, look, man, it's going to be all right. So it would be something that you could benefit from. Man, that's great stuff.

Right. Every day, I sit in the sun. I sit in the sun every day. So, I mean, that's 30, 45 to an hour. There's nothing like three days, but that's a heck of a thing. Something I definitely can, the trauma that you go through, I mean, it never goes away. Mentally, it's always there. And I think for me and for a lot of people who's running from the past or if they've been through all these struggles,

that's what's stopping you from reaching that pinnacle and chasing greatness because you can't get over the fact that you didn't have anybody there to hold your hand, the whole little Jason's hand, the whole little Michael's hand, to show them the weight. So you're pissed off, your anger, still at a bunch of people. Even it could be you,

the person that you've become now, you should have been there for little Michael, for little Mike. So, man, that's a great thing. And it's something a lot of people can benefit from. Start doing it, man. You deserve it. Yeah, they're going to put that into awesome.

He's got, he's got, you got to heal him because he deserves it. And then, you know, your warrior Michael and be like, hey, I got you now. Nothing else is going to happen to you ever again. I go, Warrior J, got you, dude. We're good. I got you.

And when I start feeling myself go off to reservation sometimes, I go off to the sign outside and I start doing it. I just start taking care of him and going, oh, he's the one that's hurt right now. I'm going to go take care of him. And I don't know how long that's going to be in my life, but it definitely helps me, man. I think it could help you a lot.

Yeah, I definitely will help. I think it'll be around for heaven. because, I mean, you're living in life. You're pissed off. I've been pissed off for a long time. You know, you put it away here. How do we get you not to be pissed off, man? It's a better existence, right?

How do we get you not to be pissed anymore? It's the matter. It's that what you said right there. It's doing away with those demons and those past trauma right there, man, and moving on. You've got to understand, too, for me, it's bigger than you. People who are going through.

still you went through all this. I went through everything that I went through and basically came out on the other side. Not a lot of people are going to come out on the other side. So for me, what I think now, so I'm doing it for everybody behind me, everybody who doesn't have that fight to look whatever you're going through

in the eye and say, hey, I'm about to knock you on your anus and, you know, put you where you can't get to me anymore. So I think that's the biggest thing, man, is inspiring that next generation and the people who can't do it. But that's why you got to do it not in a pissed off way because, yeah, you've got to look at yourself now and go, man, I can't help all these kids. You're being of service. You're doing such great things. Way greater than any Super Bowl you could have won, do.

Hey, ain't even close, right? People can get lucky you on a team. They win a Super Bowl. But they can't do the stuff that you're doing now. Your story, how many other people could help out? I want that to empower you, man. I want that to get you to start moving forward. it every day going talk my life is great now i get to do this and help that kid and help that person

and help that family that's a life will lift you just hit it on the head right there when you uh when i was going through everything that i was going through mental trying to come back from because of being the press being you know going through all these things and i mean you got everything that you ever wanted you you're living in this you know huge house you got all the money just everything and you're wondering what's going on and you come out the dump you're going to you come out those, you come out that dark place. Because for me, it was, man, it's bigger than you. It's not even about you anymore.

It's about what you just said. It's about so many of these other people who can't do it. And you're playing a game bigger than football. You know, that's why you have a sense of duty because you were giving this platform for a reason. Nobody could, you don't have anybody that go to graduate high school. You don't have anybody that's going to work every day. You don't have anybody that's a positive, anything in your life. But you're at 11, 12 years old, you're going to school on your own.

You're getting a job on your own. You're meeting life halfway in trying to get to a point of being successful because the high power of knew is bigger than you. And that's what you just said, looking back and understanding that, you have a sense of duty and you can't give up mentally, physically. you got to become, you got to keep chasing greatness. And that's everything, man. It's bigger than the game.

It's not a game. It's life. And then, do you are beloved? It's just not by what we grew up thinking. We're going to be loved by mom and a brother and sister. But you're so beloved that you need to see. You got to give yourself a break and let it fill you up, man. That'll be much better.

Just the better you are here, the more people you could help. Right. The less we're fighting with ourselves, the less energy, you know, it'll free up energy for us to help other people. That's great stuff. That's great stuff. And it's some, like I said, you can't, you've been programmed. You get programmed and, you know, it's another topic.

It's another, some other stuff that I like him to myself, but you can't, for me, it's hard to accept when you've been, you know, in this struggle, you've been told that you can't, you've been told that you won't for someone. long and it's hard to accept it goes back to that but you did you did it exactly exactly fuck what they said you did it 100% loving yourself up for that 100% correct man you got to give praise and that's and that's a part of breaking that barrier going toward greatness so yeah it's just something I'm definitely definitely be moving forward you know people who want to love you up man let them love you up right let them love you up it's way better to be walking this walk with people and I know it's probably real hard for you to trust

people, but, man, it's, you know, you know you will be alone, but you definitely don't let them in. But if you let people love you up, maybe there's a chance you won't be alone, right? And we'll have a bigger team. I mean, the team is everything. Yeah. If you're not the worst thing in your circle, man, you've got to get a new circle. You can keep, you keep the same people.

But you know, you can find then needs to grow a little bit. But, you know, you're hitting it on it. You can't continue to fight. The love and the positivity, man, it holds you back. So I think we all can be great at that and, you know, get to where we want to be. So it's definitely something we all can work on and I work on for sure. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win.

A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagine. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement

to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next, we'll talk about life,

mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be.

Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking.

What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know.

I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history.

Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What was your favorite thing about playing in the league? I think everybody says, for me, it just goes back to it goes down to the locker room. Comernerality, yeah. That and not even that. just be yourself. You know, in football, you got a bunch of monsters, man, a bunch of men. I've always been a leader of men.

You can be yourself. You don't have to put on it. Nobody, when someone's looking at a foot, in college, you have to, you have, looking at the scout report, you have to look at pictures. You have to look at these monsters on the scouting report. In the NFL, you have to look at these monsters. And then you have to go run them over on Saturdays and Sundays. So it was no egos.

It was no time to who's the most popular. Everybody in that locker room, everyone, every man is himself. And you can be comfortable. You can get joked on. You can, you know, you can just tell, you can everybody is chasing that one thing. Everybody's chasing the championship. But, you know, outside the locker room, you know, being things, people go there separate paths. But, you know, inside that locker room, man, it's, you're talking about.

personalities that you don't see in the public and just people just being themselves. All problems are solved. All problems are solved. No doubt. There's so many misunderstood people that's in that locker room that you wouldn't even recognize and they can be themselves because everybody else is telling them what they aren't. So, you know, that's one thing that I... I always say if the rest of the world acted like an NFL locker room, we won't have so many

drops. Like, it's the only place you can have a big, fat, white, racist lineman being the best man of the young thug black guy's wedding. Right? No one gives a fuck. Ain't nobody, racist, ain't nobody. Everybody's, you won't show it. I can tell you that. Right. It's one color you care about. That's silver, that red, that trophy. That is it. And being a good person. You know, that locker room will turn you into a hell of a guy, too. So it'll bring out all your great traits and qualities. I can tell you. selfish in a locker room. You've got to be beholden to your brother on your right and left. That's it right there. So that's one of the things I miss more than anything. I had started a charity years ago called MVP merging vets and players,

where same thing, I was taking football players and putting them together with combat vets for when the uniform came off because losing that locker room sucks. I know they do different jobs, but the loss of the locker room is the same suck for both. So I'm like, hey, let's put them together, train together, and have these mental health talks together. We're now in eight cities in eight years and I'm really proud of it. Guys in Nashville? We're not in Nashville yet, but we're on Zoom each week also.

Look it up. It's vets and players. I'll check it out. Yeah, we're definitely past. Pretty cool. You know, football, especially in the NFL, is not about physical. It's not about physical at all. It's all of them. That's what I tell people every day you from 6 to 6, man. You've got to be locked in next to every single

second. And the ones who can do that, the best. Those are the ones who last the lungs. And I think it holds true. When you're done playing football, it's PDSD as well because of the mental, everything you had to go through mentally every day, man, you know, definitely a line. So, yeah. I got a couple more questions before I let you go, bud.

What was the coolest thing? And then we're going to talk about your new book. What was the coolest thing when the movie came out? Like your coolest experience from it? The coolest experience, man, I probably, You know, having a movie made about you, I think for the most part, a lot of the times, the person that plays in the movie looks a lot of better than the real character. I don't know if that was the case this time.

Yeah. I thought I was about on the scale of 1 to 10 about a 5 or 6, man. I instantly went up to about a 9-10 once it came back. The difference right there was tremendous. This is good man. But did you have any good stories of being? any of the red carpets and were like, holy fuck, this person's here? To be honest with you, I didn't go, I didn't go to any red carpets.

Really? I didn't go to, I've never met Sandra Bullock. I've never met Tim McGrath. I've never met any, I've met the actor who played when he came to a game. I mean, that's another story for us, but my mind, my head was in the game, man. I'm going to come back and share it with you in a few months. Okay, good. We'll talk a little bit more openly.

but my friend was your producer molly smith was a producer okay yeah molly's amazing great her brother is the head coach of the falcons right now yeah and collins uh collins uh the sister yeah he's married uh arthur's brother yes yes yes yes yes yes great family yeah yeah my head was in the game my head was in game i was locked in football was what got me to where i wanted to be in where i thought i wanted to be in life so i had to be locked in there Interesting. Tell me about your new book you got coming up.

When you're back against the wall. It's a continuation from my last book, I Beat the Oads. It's picking up where I last left off with I beat the odds and where I am right now with my foundation and coming back from what we're talking about now, mental health, depression, and dealing with life's obstacles. And when people say, how can we fix poverty, how can we fix everything that's going on in his world and the people who don't want to beat great and just want handouts. And what I tell those people is you have to fix yourself first. And you have to heal yourself first and before you can meet someone else halfway

and we can fix this thing as a whole. And for me, it's looking yourself in a mirror and understanding that every answer you want, if you want to be successful, great, whatever you want to be is in that mirror. And for me, I wasn't going to blame anyone. I won't going to blame anyone for me being homeless as a kid or starving. So I looked myself in the mirror and said, hey, you got all the tools and you, from the time you're six years old, you understand, I understood once I touched that fire that it was hot. So I knew right from wrong then.

So it's just a continuation on that and when I'm going with my foundation and, you know, helping disadvantaged youth. And so it's mentally not a lot of people can get through these hurdles. and I was fortunately, fortunately I was one of the ones who could. So just trying to give them a playbook on, on this life, on this thing called life.

Telling the name again? When your backs against the wall. When you're backs against the wall. All right. Love it. Last two things. So it's funny, you and I have a DM exchange, right?

A couple months ago, I'm like, where the fuck is this coming from? So we kind of got into it a little bit. And I want you to know from all this. Now you can see, like, man, don't let the roommates in your head, don't believe what they tell you. You know, I do too all the time, man.

I'm thinking like, this motherfucker's angry to me. And I start telling these stories that aren't real. And a lot of people love you. So start telling those things. I will. No, I appreciate that. No, I knew, no, I knew you were a hard ass and you're tough guy, man. But, you know, it's for me. You know, when you've been misunderstood, hey, I'm trying, you're going to,

one thing I got is my name. I'm trying to defend. And I know you're a tough, hard-ass guy. Hey, I'm ready to claim. with you any time. I was just like, where the fuckers it's coming from? And you're like, oh, you were looking at me wrong one day. Look at your wrong one day. What you're talking about? And I said, hey, man, I'm on edge all the time. So I was probably edgiest shit for something else. That's another thing, man, mentally that's those things you're talking about. And it helps,

it helps right there. Man, I can't wait to use that coping mechanism you talked about earlier. that right there. I can't wait to get back home and just get that to go on. Because you never know who's going through something and who can use that. And you just got to keep on spraying that word right

there and putting that out there. millions of other people need to know just that right there what you told me. It made all kind of light bulbs went off right there. You know, just saying man, and even if people, shit, everybody, I don't, you don't have to be

anything to have hate or to think someone hates you, man, you can be a great guy, but you got to start speaking that love and that, that, that positivity into your life and putting the home around that younger you. And, man, I've learned a lot, man, just this little time right here and can't wait to implement that. And so that's good stuff. I appreciate you.

I want you to DM me and tell me how it's going, what you've able to. It took me about three days that first time, and it was like, it was hard. And then, like, that third day, it was almost like, God, the universe talked me. Like, no one hates you. We're all for you. When we needed you to feel this kind of pain so you could help others with theirs.

I feel like in the same time, we need you to see we made all your other dreams come true to keep you afloat, but you haven't seen that. Okay. Once you can understand and see that and see why you're in this pain, then you'll kind of be ready to go to that next step. And, man, it was everything. It just changed my life, dude. I still got working. I'm a work in progress. I'm a fucked up dude. No doubt. Yes. I'm a working progress, man. I'm fucked up, but I'm good with my fucked up.

No question. Man, if I didn't try to have good sense, man, Jesus, I think that's the only thing that's me. It's, it's, uh, we're doing it for, you know, like we just, like I said earlier, hey, it's for the other people, man, who can't handle it. We can, we are able to deal with that right there and still get the job done. A lot of other people give up. My last question for you, I asked every single guest of ours before I let him go. Give me your unbreakable moment. That moment that should have broken you and didn't. And you came through the other side of that tunnel.

As a result, you are stronger forever. Damn, man, it's a sure you got a lot. Yeah, it's a ton, but I would say probably dealing with a concussion, dealing with your depression, the darkest space I'd ever been in because I've been able to, I've been through every injury. I should have set out, I don't know how many games. life from a young kid, but when everything you've read, everything you've seen, and you're going through that, going through that, man, and it was, uh, I'm the heaviest I've ever been

bad out of shape and just, you're thinking about, you're thinking about dying. You're just thinking about it's just going to be the night, every night. Your head's pounding. You're, you're just, you're at peace and ready to give up, but something wouldn't let me give up, kept fighting because I felt that it was, I was doing it for other people. I was going for a bigger cause. And you walk out on that balcony, walk out on your pool deck,

and just a breath of fresh fresh air just comes over you. You know, everything is, all the baggage is off of you. So it's going through that time right there. It was one of the toughest that coming out on the other end. I appreciate everything about who I'm headed

and who I'm becoming. that like you said, it's even greater than what you thought you were chasing. I appreciate you. I love you, dude, from battle buddies now. If you still want to fight, man, I'm in. No problem.

We're good. No, you're good, dude. Basically, I can't get it done, man. I appreciate you, thank you, man, for having me home in and I look forward to doing it again. Hey, tell me how it goes, though. Keep you touch with me, right?

And then as you're doing this journey, where you're helping other people, lean on me for shit, and I'll kind of help guide you there too. And I may come lean on you for something one day too because it's my job, man, to help as many people as I can. Most definitely. Well, you definitely help me, man.

I appreciate you. I'll talk to you soon. Love you, man. Let's keep walking this walk together. We'll do it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.

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