The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Warriors, nicknames, Patriots, young coaches, & the Herd Hierarchy

Episode Date: November 13, 2018

Colin discusses who will most likely be leaving the Golden State Warriors first, why he dislikes nicknames, why people hate the New England Patriots, why young coaches are getting people fired, and the Herd Hierarchy. Guests include Albert Breer, Rob Parker, and Logan Ryan. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We have our herd hierarchy one hour from now, or I list the top 10 teams in the NFL, which is increasingly very difficult. Joy, how are you? I'm doing great. Good morning. Good morning. I want to start with the Warriors. Warriors played last night and lost. It's a regular season game.

It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean that much. But for the last year now, the NBA media keeps telling me, fans don't, but the media keeps telling me, Clay Thompson's out of here. He's going to the Lakers. And I keep here, and you know, Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant is out of here, man. Steph Curry, he may go back to Charlotte, and I keep saying to myself, they ain't going anywhere.

It's a three-man band. The first guy off the island is going to be Draymond Green. Draymond Green doesn't fit this team. He's the bully at the nightclub. He's the bouncer. He's the class clown. He fits this band, but the band doesn't need him. He's Ringo Star.

They don't need him. I mean, last night's a classic example. close game with the Clippers. Draymond Green gets the rebound, gets the ball up the court. Durant's open. Kevin Durant, you know, pretty good. And Draymond Green doesn't find him, was going somewhere else, falls over himself. And then you saw Durant and Kevin, Durant and Draymond Green barking at each other in the huddle.

Clay Thompson's not going anywhere, man. Kevin Durant's not going anywhere. Steph's not going anywhere. Draymond Green's the odd man out here. He will not be here in three years. First of all, there's a lot of guys that can do what he does. He does it really, really well. He's the bouncer at the nightclub.

There's a lot of bouncers in every city that can fill that role at the nightclub. And he's really, really good at it. He's Kenneth Farid. He's muscle. He's muscle. All right. A lot of guys at a gym with muscle. Secondly, his personality rubs people that, you know, it's different.

Draymond tends to be a little class clown, a little pokey in the ribs. But here's the other thing that goes unsaid. Do you really think Clay Thompson, Steph Curry, and Kevin Durant see Draymond Green as an equal? Really? When you go play basketball at the YMCA, when you play basketball, you know, against the fellas, you can size guys up real quick. You're talking Clay Thompson's the best shooting guard to guard in the league. Steph Curry is the greatest shooter ever.

And Kevin Durant's arguably the best player in the league outside of LeBron. Some say with LeBron. They don't see Draymond. green as an equal. They let him travel with the band. They let him travel with the band. He's not an equal. His skills are totally replaceable. Whenever there's a nightclub, the owner of the nightclub will give a percentage to the general manager, maybe the food and beverage guy. They never give a percentage to the bouncer. They don't give a percentage to the muscle at the front door. Now, you're part of the group. You know, when you guys get to eat dinner before you'd open the doors,

you get some of it too. But I always laugh when everybody tells me, like, Kevin Durant's lead. Kevin Durant is Silicon Valley. Steph Curry, Clay Thompson, these guys fit the Warriors. They fit their identity. What is Silicon Valley? What is San Francisco?

It's the future. It's the greatest. It's the richest. The most skilled. Those guys fit that. I'm watching Draymond Green last night butcher the end of that game. And I'm like, you keep telling me who's leaving. Only one guy's going to leave this island.

It's going to be Draymond Green. So, you know, I've never bought into this. I think, you know what it is? It's hopeful Laker fans. It's people around the NBA. And we're all hoping, right? Everybody wants to see this incredible dynasty broken up. But when bands break up, there are people in every band, you know, that are less valuable to the band.

And it goes without saying who's less skilled. and who's less talented. You lose a front man, you got a different band. You lose a drummer. Bands can mostly replace drummers. You change the front man, you've got a different band. So I'm watching this last night, and I just keep going back to,

you really think Clay, Steph, and Kevin Durant consider Drayman an equal? No. Maybe if they got into a fight with the Sixers or a fight with the Cavs or a fight with the Cavs or a fight with a Celtics or a fight with OKC. They'd want Draymond Green there. But the rest of these guys aren't leaving.

You're just going to have to deal with this dynasty. And I know they're obnoxious. And I know they think they're smarter than everybody. And I know they're the greatest shooter of all time. I understand nobody likes the warriors. But don't start making stuff up about people leaving. I don't buy it for one second. I don't buy KD's leaving.

I don't buy KD's leaving. I don't get steps leaving. They're moving into a new arena. they're going to be the most high-tech organization in the world. And that doesn't sound as much like Draymond as it does Clay, KD, and Steph. Here's the second thing. I want to shift to the NFL. Years ago, I was talking to an NFL player.

And he goes, got you, players hate New England. And I'm like, well, well, players just hate who's winning. And the player said to me, no, no, no, we don't hate everybody that's winning. We hate New England. Now, fans will say it's because they cheat. That's not why they keep winning. That's not why they keep winning. I know you want to say SpyGate,

but Tom Brady has been better since Deflate Gate. Tom Brady's been better since SpyGate. So the little problems they got into and were stopped, they're better since then. Okay. Again, that's confirmation bias. That makes you feel good. It doesn't make it right.

But I noticed something this weekend. Remember when Richard Sherman came out? And you mad bro at Tom Brady? How did that turn out for Richard Sherman? And how did that turn out for Tom Brady? That was 2012 after beating the Patriots mid-season. And by the way, Lane Johnson, he talked a lot of trash too. Remember Lane Johnson?

I'd rather win one Super Bowl and have fun than five Super Bowls. That was Lane Johnson. Came on the show recently, laughed about it. Dionne Lewis, after he beat the Patriots this weekend. Oh, Dionne Lewis was talking. trash. He goes, hey, you go cheap. You don't want to pay me. That's how you get your ass kicked. Remember Jalen Ramsey talking trash? Right before the AFC title game, how did that work out? Remember Jalen Ramsey? We're going to the Super Bowl and we're going to win that.

Oh, brother. Richard Sherman, how to work out for you? Lane Johnson, you guys are four and five going to New Orleans. How did that work out for you? Deon Lewis, really think you'll be playing football, not watching it in January? Jags are Jalen Ramsey are 3 and 6 Tom Brady talked about Dionne Lewis's trash talk yesterday on WEEEI Radio in Boston

It's hard to see And it's happened to a lot of guys And I can understand that emotion You know I give them credit they beat us And when you win you know you could say a lot of thing That's the reality of winning We'll just take our lumps Come out here and

They didn't want to pay Dionne Lewis 12 million guaranteed in 20 million It was just business the reason NFL players are rooting for the Steelers to win the AFC, are rooting for the Chargers to win the AFC, are rooting for the Kansas City Chiefs, the Houston Texans. It regards what the Patriots do is what is also not so slowly happening to society. It's called automation.

The rich in America, the wealthy are concerned about a future in America with only rich and robots making money. The middle class replaced. You go online, you see those videos. The New England Patriots are to a large degree NFL automation. Belichick and Brady are the rich and the robots. Players don't matter after that. And they don't like it.

And I understand not liking it. You guys watching me when you go home, enter the house after work, don't you want to matter? You people watching me at work, don't you want to feel important at work? Like players don't like the Patriots because, because players don't really outside of Tom Brady really matter in New England. NBA players don't root against the Warriors. It is a player-driven system. Players, did you notice this?

They loved the Seahawks. Wasn't about the system. It was about the player. Players outside of Lavian Bell love the Steelers. Go online. They love the Chiefs. Players don't like New England. for the same reason we're all a little afraid about robots and automation.

It makes us unimportant and everybody wants to matter. Husbands, wives, employees, even rich pro athletes feel like New England squeezes them. What's ironic about that is that as much as players are fearful of New England, the next great teams like the L.A. Rams, aren't they about McVe, system. Watch the 49ers last night. Nate Mullins, Jimmy Garoppolo. Don't look like they're that important. It's sort of Kyle Shanahan's system. Matt Nagy makes Mitch Trubisky look like he matters in this league. The system. Football is the opposite of the NBA. The NBA is about telling players how important they are. And the reason there's so much resentment, Dionne Lewis, Richard,

Sherman, Jalen Ramsey. This is the way it is. New England is automation. Outside of Tom, it's rich in the robots and nobody else really matters. But by January, Belichick and Brady

will be playing again. And my guess is Dionne Lewis and Malcolm Butler and Danny Amandola and Nate Soder will be watching football. All right, great to have you in. You know, I saw something last night. You know, Joy, you know this, having worked with me for a few months, I hate nicknames. I think one of the...

You hate nicknames and celebrations. Yeah, one of the first signs that something's a gimmick and that something's not formidable, it gets a Saxonville nickname. The minute teams get nicknames, I'm out. Because that tells me you're a professional wrestler. You're playing for the gimmick. You're not really legitimate. You've never had a nickname? No.

I mean, cow herd, the herd. But that's your last name, though. Yeah, that's my last name. And by the way, my, I'm not a nickname person. So there's been this thing in the NBA, the process. And last night, can we officially end saying that? Can we just now officially no longer use the process in the NBA. It's done.

It's over. Okay. Guillotine time. Cut it off. It's over. I'll explain why coming up next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Pros in the nose start with Lowe's. 5% on eligible purchases.

5% savings in store online. Exclusions apply. See store for details. US only. That's Lowe's. Rob Parker today, Albert Breer, Logan Ryan, Tennessee Titans defensive back. Heard hierarchy in 40 minutes from now at the top of the hour. Joy Taylor in a little more than an hour has optical illusion video, the most amazing video from the weekend. Most of, we have not shown on this show. It's amazing video in one hour for now. I don't even want to give it away.

Nope. But it is literally, you'll have to watch it 10 times to figure it out. I've watched it a dozen. I still can't see. We may have some extra angles for you to have to figure it out. Okay, you will. Yes. Okay.

So that'll be coming up in one hour. Okay, I'm going to show you a video. It's painful. It's not funny. I feel bad for the kid. I've seen this in golf. I've seen this with kickers in pro football. I've seen it with baseball players like Chuck Knoblock, Rickan Keel, Steve Sacks. It's called the Yips.

It's mental. Markell Fultz was the number one pick a couple years ago. They literally traded up to get Markele Fultz. The Celtics ended up getting Jason Tatum a much better player. We know how that worked out by now. Markele Folt is shot. It's over. It's all above the head.

I talked to a scout two nights ago. Like, it's over, and they know it's over, and they're benching him now. The story out in Philadelphia, they're going to benchmark L. Foltz, their number one pick. It's over. He needs to be traded. If anybody wants him, JJ Reddick's a veteran. They don't have a bunch of shooters. They have Jimmy Butler now who I like a lot.

But last night he shot a free throw, and it looked like Charles Barclays golf swing. Watch this thing. Watch it. It's sad, actually. Oh, wow. Herky jerky from a fat line. You know, the free throw line is the one time where everything's slow and you really got to think about your shot. He clearly looks uncomfortable there.

Like it's over. It's over. Okay, this is, David Duvall was the number one golfer in the world, got the yips and disappeared. And it's really sad. And the Sixers moved up for this. But here's the one thing that I am happy about. This officially ends that stupid thing called the process,

which doesn't mean anything. The Celtics had a rebuild. going great. It doesn't have a nickname. The Lakers rebuild. It's going very well. They haven't whiffed on anybody. It doesn't have a nickname. The Milwaukee Bucks rebuild only has one name. It's called Janus. And it's not catchy. It's just a really dominant player. Well, he has a nickname. Mostly because his name is really long and that's smoother and easier to say, right? A freak freak. Yeah. But let's be honest about this. The process was always a gimmick. Nerlands Noel,

Bust, Jaliel Olkofor, bust. Markell Fultz, bust. Michael Carter Williams, mostly a bust. Their number one pick this year is out for the year with a peanut allergy. I'm not joking. Zaire Smith.

Can we stop with this Philadelphia thing? Listen, this is why I loved the Sixers acquiring Jimmy Butler. He's a real player. He's a real asset. Do you understand in the NBA? It took Anthony Davis, what, five years to win a playoff series or six? Anthony Davis.

Janus took four years to kind of like round his game off. There's 370 Division I basketball programs. On average, go look in the last 15 years. Two players come out of college and can play. First year. Last year, Donovan Mitchell, Utah, Jason Tate, them Boston as rookies. You're like, oh, those dudes can play right now. The rest of them aren't emotionally ready, aren't physically ready, are never physically good, and are

busts and get hurt or emotionally, like Markell Fultz, not big enough for the room. Can we stop with these doofy nicknames? The process, you know what it was? There was this kind of analytic guy and the media loves stories and they love analytics because most media members are nerds and they weren't athletes. And so they like the slide ruler of sport. It makes them feel I kind of belong. I'm smarter than all these guys. Charles Barkley doesn't like, he doesn't like analytics,

but Charles Barkley, you know, is one of the greatest players of all time could actually play the game. And so the media loves analytics. And I like man analytics. A little bit of analytics. Mostly I like watching men play at the high level, NFL, baseball, MLS, NFL, whatever it is. I'm not anti-analytics, but I'm pro-manalic.

Jimmy Butler is a man. He's a man. Joel M. B. DeM. B. De Man. He's a grown man. And Ben Simmons is young. Six-10 guards, man. Stop with all this process stuff. Stop all these goofy nickname. The process was just a contrived, corny media invention. Bust, bust, bust, bust, bust, bust, the next guy's out with a peanut allergy for the year. Mark L. Foltz can't play. Bottom line is, even Embed missed two years with injuries. There is no science or analytics that nails drafts, even Belichick struggles. I am for NFL NBA baseball teams going out and getting a Justin Verlander,

or even if you don't like a Mani Machado, or an Indomacan Sioux, or a Jimmy Butler, or Akib Talib. Veterans. Go look at who's winning in the NBA. Let me tell you something. Everybody loves Jason Tatum of the Celtics. If the Boston Celtics win the East this year, It won't be because of Jason Tatum. If the Boston Celtics are holding up the Eastern Conference banner or trophy or whatever you get,

Al Horford will have scored 18 points a game in the series, Gordon Hayward 20, and Kyrie Irving 26. If Jason Tatum's dropping 30, you're not winning the east. You're not beating Milwaukee and Toronto. You're not beating Philadelphia with Jason Tatum. You're going to need Al Horford, your star Kyrie Irving. You're going to need Gordon Hayward to be front and center. This is why I'm pro Jimmy Butler and anti the process. Get me men who can play.

By the way, Tyson Chandler and LeBron, veterans can play. I'm still waiting for Brandon Ingram. I'm still waiting. I'm still waiting for Andrew Wiggins in Minnesota. Get me dudes. Enough with the process. It's over. Joy Taylor with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. My name is just too short to have a nickname. Yeah, like Joy is perfect. Joy Taylor's, you literally... People call me J.T. No, joy is perfect.

But it's usually too much. You don't know, it over-complicate things. All right, so Tom Brady and the Patriots got their butts kicked on Sunday against the Titans. And Brady had one of his worst games of the season. Season low, 51% of his passes for 254 yards and no touchdowns. Right. Which obviously brought out the father time. truthers, the whole force, it's the end.

The league's rooting against New England. The end is near. Yeah. Well, Brady had his own thoughts on it. Well, you know, everything's different from one year to the next. I think you keep working at it in the same way. Those things haven't changed for me. I'm sure some of my statistics have changed.

I feel good out there and I feel like, do I want to play better? I absolutely want to play better. I want to play as best as I possibly can for my team. And that's what my job is to do. You know, certainly yesterday was not a great performance. I got to go out there and play my very best these next six weeks to give our team the best chance. And that's what I want to do. I'm going to go ahead and not freak out over that loss, even though it was not a good loss.

Not the way you want to lose. But just not something that's going to trigger me. However, something that's not getting a lot of attention is the Patriots two worst performances of the season were road losses, Matt Patricia, former de-coordinator, and former linebacker Mike Rabel's Titans. So in those games, they scored 10 points and Brady completed 52% of his passes. Compare that to their other eight games, we went to 7-1, average 32.5 points, and Brady completed 68% of his passes. So, you know, I don't think this is a coincidence. What you're telling me is two guys who faced Brady every day at practice for multiple years, know a little bit about Tom Brady's weaknesses.

Right. Yeah, I mean, and by the way, is Matt Patricia is a really smart guy. Whether he works as a head coach, I don't know. Mike Vrable was always an incredibly bright player. So when you get smart guys who siphon a lot of stuff out of Belichick, and then they face Brady in practice every day for multiple years, don't be shocked if they got a little bit of the sauce. They know a little bit of the secret sauce.

Right. And I don't necessarily buy into the, because you know that you're going up against someone who knows your system well. or her nose, you know, your weakness as well because they have spent time with you, that you change your formula. Right. Because, you know, and try and throw crazy things at them. Now, obviously, you're going to make adjustments game to game.

But I think you do what you do best. And at the end of the day, if they beat you, then, you know, you're going to lose sometimes. Right. But I don't think you change up the system just for that. So, Dak Prescott and Amari Cooper have looked very comfortable together throughout their first two games as teammates. Dak found Cooper six times for 75 yards. And even when throwing to other receivers, he looked a lot more comfortable

and in control than he has in recent weeks. And here is Cooper on what he has in recent weeks. And here is Cooper on what he saw from his new quarterback. He's resilient, man. He never gets down on himself, never gets down on the team. He's always believing that we can go out there and overcome any circumstance. And you need that, especially in a quarterback. And that's something that I really admire.

I actually agree with him there. That's one thing about DAC that I do think is important. It's a best quality. It's a very good quality to have. Not just necessarily in a quarterback, but just as a professional athlete. You can't let yourself get emotional. but you can't ride the wave every single day. That's the Cam Newton thing.

High, low, up, down, angry, happy. It's like... It leads to inconsistencies. No, I said this about Dak from the beginning. I never thought he was going to work. And then all of a sudden, I watched the first year, and I'm like, yeah. And even when he did work, I was never blown away by his athletic ability, his size, his arm. His intangibles are great.

I just don't think he's that talented. But the intangible parts in front of a microphone... No, he's great in front of a microphone. He's great. He's clearly a good leader. Yes. You know, sometimes you just need that extra little. drop a talent in there to get you over the top. But he has found more success with Amari

than, or Amari is finding more success with Dak than he did with Derek Carr before the trade. In two games with Dak, he has more receiving yards per game, more receptions per game, and his target percentage has gone up as well. So they're starting to click. Yeah. Which is a good thing. Yeah. All right. Finally, as we mentioned earlier, Kevin Durant and Draymond were involved in a little heated exchange last night. Temper's flare. Dramon took the ball up the court in the final seconds of the fourth quarter with a chance to win the game, but never got a shot up and he lost control and then Katie and Draymond exchanged some words on the bench before being separated and after the game, Katie declined his post-game media responsibilities and left.

We're showing a little video of their little argument on the sideline there. Well, Sean Livingston was the only player to address it on the record and he had this to say. Just team spirit. Team spirit, you know, guys, you know, guys wanting to, I think, one of the different outcomes that would happen, you know. Obviously, Drey had a turnover. You know, guys might have thought they were open and wanted the basketball, didn't get it, you know?

Things happened like that in the sport. But it was good to see some fire and some emotion. Obviously, Kevin Durant is the person that should have had the ball on his hands at the end of the game there. But I do agree with him. I don't think that this is like some sign of a huge macro meltdown of the Warriors. I actually think it's a good thing to show a little fight and a little argument. And this is really important as well. Boogie talking to Draymond,

Boogie getting adapted to that system with the Warriors and throwing some leadership intangibles there with Draymond. And Drayon's a huge part of this team. I know everybody thinks Draymond's like going to be the piece that walks away, but Jimon is going to walk away. I think he's going to get booted away. I don't think he's real. I don't know how you would play someone like Draymond.

He is perfect for that team. And I actually don't think he wants to go anywhere else because he knows that he I hope he knows it. Well, I'm, hopefully he does. Yes. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The herd lie news. You know, it's funny, Joy was talking about Dack Prescott. And I study, Joy sees me study, she studies, I have opinions on quarterbacks. And only one time in the last 10 years, if I moved off an opinion and I now regret it. I didn't like Dack out of college. I didn't think Dack was going to work. Then perfect storm, everything aligns. He had a great ear and I said, I was wrong.

And now he is, again, what I thought he was, I didn't trust my instincts. I bowed to pressure. I'm not going to do that again. I want to remind you of a story six years ago, two quarterbacks came into the NFL. One was flashy. Had a great smile. Big personality. Heisman winner.

Part of a great college system. He was all personality and all sizzle. Big 12. Another one came from the PAC 12, and he was boring and had no personality and was stoic. Came from a family of great athletes, but wasn't very interesting. The media, of course, fell for the flash. They fell for the quarterback who had a line of socks and the big smile and all the yards and the Heisman and the personality and the commercials.

Of course, they didn't fall for the formidable Pac-12 guy with no person. personality who was boring. That was RG3 and Andrew Luck. Six years later, as you lectured me, as RG3 won rookie of the year, I said, I don't care. Judge this in 10 years. Six years later, Andrew Luck is still unbelievably formidable. RG3's backup somewhere never to mostly be seen again. RG3 also entered the league with a pro bowler on his offensive line, a pro bowler at running back, a very formidable offensive coach, and a competent GM. Andrew Luck entered the league with the worst group of offensive linemen and running back and receivers ever known to man, a GM that was fired and a defensive head coach.

Everybody in the media told me I was wrong after RG3 won rookie of the year. He also won Player of the Week multiple times. The flashy Heisman underwear line, sock line, big smile, easy to like. It was cool to like RG3. I never did. I liked boring, boring Andrew Luck. Because I don't fall in love with Player of the Week awards. I fall in love with habits and traits and qualities.

Baker Mayfield has now entered the league and he's fun and he's flashy and he's from the Big 12 and he won a Heisman and he's got an underwear line and he posed with a bingled tiger and he just won player of the week I'm still hanging with sam darnald who's pack 12 an incompetent roster an incompetent coach a GM that may be on his way out but whether he is or not they have nothing to work with because I fall in love with bigger stronger more athletic and more mature that's why I fell in love with boring Andrew Luck. And you lectured me, Player of the week, RG3,

player of the month, RG3, Ploffensive Player of the Year. Yes, he came into the league with a lot of flash and a Heisman and a smile and a sock line. And he was fun. And he had a personality. And he also had competence around him. And Baker has the best defense in the league in terms of takeaways

and two outstanding running backs and a star receiver and a gifted tight end. And a simply better roster. But I'm going to go with a boring guy. I'm not going to bow to your pressure. Bow to your awards. The media's looking for stories. RG3 was frankly a better story than Andrew Luck.

He was more fun. He was more flashy. It was more interesting. And Baker Mayfield's more fun and more flashy and bitter personality. He's more interesting. I like watching Baker Mayfield play. I really do. I watch him every week.

But he tore up Atlanta this week. Let me give you a list of other people who have torn up Atlanta this year. Eli Manning, James Winston, Andy Dalton, and Baker all tore up Atlanta. You can live in the moment. Bitcoin, I've heard. The stock is still available. I'll go buy some more Google and Berkshire Hathaway. I'll go buy bigger, stronger, more mature, more Athaway.

athletic. I'll buy another few thousand shares at Goldman Sachs, maybe some IBM, some Google. You go for cryptocurrency, but I don't live in the moment. Nothing against Baker, but I couldn't give a rip about Player of the Week after facing Atlanta. I'm still rolling with Sam. Coming up next, Rob Parker may not be rolling with either. plus top of the hour, the herd hierarchy coming our way. By the way, LeBron James had an interesting quote. Lakers now in a bit of a winning streak. They've won five of their last six games.

Tyson Chandler, who LeBron told Magic, get me Tyson Chandler for the Phoenix Suns. He's been sitting on rotting out in Phoenix, and he's coming and he's been very good player. So LeBron James had a quote yesterday. He goes, listen, I haven't changed anything outwardly, but you know me, you know how I am. I almost cracked last week.

I had to sit back and remind myself, hey, you knew what you were getting into. This process has been good for me. I just got to continue being patient. I believe this year LeBron is playing teacher. And I had great teachers in high school and junior high. I was really lucky. I had great teachers.

I had good college professors. I had great teachers in junior high in high school. And I think teachers can size up kids really quickly. They know the kids that are fast and the ones that are a little slower, the ones that need help, the ones that are self-reliant, the ones that are a little needy emotionally. teachers can size up classrooms a couple of days. It doesn't take a good teacher to figure out the classroom. LeBron similarly is one of the smartest guys the league's ever had.

He assesses things very quickly. He did in Miami. He did in Cleveland. He has assessed this roster. And I think the guy that's driving him crazy is Brandon Ingram. And it comes as a shock to me. Brandon Ingram's rebounds are down, assists are down, points are down. he has, he shrunk around Javelle McGee.

He's shrinking around Tyson Chandler. He's shrinking around Rondo. He got into that fight. Remember when he threw a punch at Chris Paul, LeBron's best buddy? That's what guys do, fake tough guys. They throw punches at smaller guys in fights. Okay, Draymond Green goes after Stephen Adams. He goes after big guys.

He's not a fake tough guy. Fake tough guy, 6-11, go throw punches at guards. trying to prove to LeBron, I got dog, I got alpha. My belief is that Brandon Ingram, and LeBron has assessed this very, very quickly, is in trouble here. LeBron's figured out. He doesn't have dog. Not big enough for the room. And with that, I bring in Rob Parker, teaching school at USC, the FS1 instigator, a man of many opinions.

So what do you make of my... Can I say this real quick? All right, sure. I do real quick. All right. About teachers. When I was in second grade, I had a teacher named Miss Noble. This is a real story.

Yeah. She pulled me aside one day and she said, when you grow up, you should be a writer. She identified me as a seven-year-old and told me I should be a writer. And that's what I wound up being. Is that unbelievable? My teachers were unbelievable. That's unbelievable to me. By the way, your story is not rare.

Teachers can identify very quickly the kids that need help, the kids that are self-reliant, the strong kids, the weak kids. I think LeBron, you'd have to admit this. He's a very, very smart guy. LeBron's a very, very smart guy. That doesn't mean he'd be a GM in the league, but he's a smart guy who knows players. I think he's assessed this lineup. I think he knows Brandon Ingram is his Andrew Wiggins. He was supposed to be his Robin.

That's what he came here. Everybody thought that Brandon would blossom with LeBron, and it just, hasn't happened yet. Only thing I don't get is the whole idea or notion, Colin, that he said he was going to crack. I mean, crack. Basically, you help Magic put this team together. It's kids and cast-offs. Did you really think you were going to run away with the Western Conference or something? It was going to be a struggle. Everything people talked about, Colin, before the season, like about this team, three-point shooting, defensively, all of it's come true. So how are you you cracking unless he was going to crack because somebody asked him to play defense?

Because my goodness, he's not playing defense. And you can't expect the other guys to play defense when the top dog's not trying. And he's not trying. No, I think a very fair criticism. It happened to Kobe too. Kobe came into this league as a great defender in the last four years. It was more of a suggestion than an actual commitment. Did you see LeBron trying to play soccer the other day?

Just kicked his foot out. What was that? Well, listen, you know, you and Skipper very tough. Shannon and I, thankfully at this network, Nick Wright, Shannon and I, somebody's got to support LeBron. That's okay. And my takeaway on LeBron is, you know, when you say LeBron, everybody bangs on the decision. But the truth is, he always makes the right decision. He left Miami and Wade and Bosch fell apart physically, like overnight.

And he left Cleveland and are the worst team in the league. And the first time he left Cleveland, they were the worst team in the league. He gets this right. This one I'm not so sure about. tell you why. I still believe that if LeBron was more about winning championships, Colin, he would have gone to Philadelphia.

And I say this from this standpoint. You got two stars there, young guys, who LeBron could have helped to win a championship his first two years, and as he aged, those two guys could have helped LeBron win a championship as LeBron gets older.

I'm not convinced in the Western Conference and with a roster that's put together that they're going to win one championship, let alone multiple. So I think that LeBron this time opted for its family and Hollywood and, you know,

a movie career and all that over really trying to win championships. We know you've been very critical of Tom Brady. I've just been right about Tom Brady. Do you remember before the season started? I told you this was going to happen. You've been saying this for seven years. Okay, listen.

We know that Tom's older. We know that Tom's older. We know that Tom need stuff to mostly be in place to work. My issue when I look at New England is the AFC is better. Kansas City is a real team. Chargers are real team. Tennessee are real team. Watch out for Indy. Pittsburgh's outstanding. And the bottom line, they go to Tennessee. It's one of his former players. They're a pretty good football team. They just humiliated Dallas not too long ago.

Why can't we just chalk this up to Tennessee's better than we think? I get that. The problem is Tom Brady has a one touchdown in the last three games. Colin, at no point this year would you believe that possible. And I'm talking about go read the tweets from the beat writers, not a hack at Fox Sports One watching on the weekends. A couple of dopes like us. Right?

I'm talking about the guys who are there week in and week out. Read their tweets. They say Tom Brady's throwing knuckle balls downfield that the ball's not getting there. These are the guys who are there every day. I respect those beat guys because they see it. And he's not the same guy. Go look at the numbers between Tom Brady and Brett Farb, both at age 40. At age 40, Brett Farb had a better year than Tom Brady had last year at age 40

when he won the MVP by default when he won that. And then you go look at Brett Farf falling off the cliff at age 41 and where Tom Brady is now. And the other thing is the Patriots aren't good enough. defensively and Tom Brady can't cover up that defense because he's not at that level anymore. This is not a team. I know they're seven and three and people just try to gloss over and go by the record. They've beaten a lot of bad teams. I get it. They're not good enough. They're not getting to the Super Bowl. Tom Brady is on the downside. I will say this. You know, I kind of looked at this weekend's loss as a so what, but I will say this. I don't think New England can go to Kansas

the city and beat the Chiefs. 100%. I don't think they can. They need home field. They do. If any chance to do anything in the playoffs, if they don't have it, they will get knocked out the first road game they play. And I'll say this about Pittsburgh. Both the Steelers, Tom

Brady's history is, we've never quite given enough credit to this. He gets a buy and then home field. Yes. He does. The last time, if you go look at Tom's road playoff record, it's not that great. It's not good. It's hard to win road games in the NFL.

I don't care who you are. And they've had the advantage. You know what they remind me of? Popovich, Duncan, and the Spurs. They won one title when they were old guys. And then the last three years, you're like, they're not really, I mean, they're good, and they've got the aging star, and they've got the legendary coach. But San Antonio could not go to Golden State and win a series.

They needed home court advantage. They needed certain calls to go their way. I feel like with New England, if they don't get home field this year, they're not good enough to go on the road against the Chargers, the Steelers. I mean, good God. They have three road losses by double digits. By the way, this game this weekend, and I don't think you're overreacting, it wasn't competitive.

No. It was not a competitive game. New England was never physically in this game. We saw that too when they went on the road against Detroit. That was another game where they just weren't in that game. And I might have been one of the best wins for the. lions, you know, in a long time. Matt Stafford's signature win. That was his signature win finally after 10 years in the NFL. Rob Parker, good stuff. Heard hierarchy next. Thanks, Rob. All right.

Here we go. Hour two. This is the herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening, live in Los Angeles, Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me. Albert Breer in about five or six minutes. Heard hierarchy in a couple of minutes. Good to have you enjoy for Hour 2 today. Last night, the Giants beat. San Francisco. And my takeaway on that game, because I watched that I didn't think it was that fascinating. But the thing that jumps out to me, let me talk about the losing team, San Francisco and the coach Kyle Shanahan.

It used to be in the NFL. The number one thing was to find a quarterback. But let me tell you what 1A is now. Get the right coach. San Francisco with Kyle Shanahan is 18th in the NFL and points. They're on their third quarterback. their offense is better, scores more points than Philadelphia, Dallas, and Washington with an undrafted off-the-street practice squad guy.

Does everybody get how good and how much offensive coaches matter? He's on his third quarterback. Garoppolo averaged 24 and a half. C.J. Beatherd averaged over 20, and now Nick Mullins is averaging 28. He's off the street. He was a practice squad guy, meaning anybody in the league could have. had him anywhere, anywhere on the roster. Everybody passed except the Niners. And San Francisco doesn't have their best running back, hurt before the season started,

and they don't have a number one receiver, and they led most of the game. I mean, it's amazing. If you go look, Chicago Bears, the offense stayed the same. They added Matt Nagy. They average 13 and a half points more a game. The Rams went and got Sean McVeigh, averaged 16 more points a game. Kyle Shanahan, left Matt Ryan in Atlanta, same players, average 13 points less a game. It's always been important to have the coach, but one A, or to have the quarterback. You got to have the quarterback. But I'm telling you, Chicago right now, that's not a Mitch Trubisky story.

That's a Matt Nagy story. That is not a Mitch Trubisky story. And by the way, I like Jared Goff a lot, but that's a Sean McVeigh story. And there's nothing against Matt Ryan, but that MVP year, that was a Kyle Shanning. a hand story. What he is doing in San Francisco right now, think about this. The Giants' offensive talent last night, Eli Manning, first rounder. Sequin Barclay, first rounder. Left tackle, Nate Solder, first rounder. Evan Ingram, tight end first rounder. Objay, first rounder. He was working with Nate Mullins undrafted. Matt Breda, running back, undrafted. George Kittles,

tight end fifth round. Mark East Grissom, third round. You're talking about a mismatchewatch in So he covers up. Matt Nagy, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVey, they cover up a lot of warts. The losing team, it blows me away. They don't have any running backs. Undrafted, quarterback undrafted. They're star offensive guys a fifth rounder.

Good Lord, are they going to be good? With one more draft, a couple of free agents, and Jimmy Garapolo. That game on paper shouldn't be close. Who's got all the first rounders? I'm telling you, these young coaches are getting a lot of guys fired. Mike McCarthy, we never talked about his job. Now all of a sudden, Matt Nagy's in his division, we're talking about his job. We never said Pete Carroll was in trouble.

All of a sudden, you bring Sean McVeyan. Well, he looks kind of old. I mean, Kyle Shanahan, McVey, and Matt Nagy, going to get a lot of dudes fired. All right, here we go. We do it every Tuesday. Monday night football is over. It is our top 10, our herd hierarchy. I'm going to go with Carolina.

Now, hold on, slow down. Number 10, Carolina over Tennessee. To me, it's a coin flip. I'll just take Cam over Marcus Mariotta. Here's what concerns me with both. They have to play a certain way to win. Carolina's 24th in pass offense. They're one and three on the road. Carolina doesn't play well from behind, either it is Tennessee. So I have a coin flip. I think these are really good teams, but the game for Tennessee and Carolina has to go a certain way. Get in the lead, run the ball, play action. I'll take Carolina at 10 slightly over Tennessee. Number nine. The Chicago Bears.

Listen, when the offense clicks with this defense, I mean, they got the best turnover differential plus 13 in the NFL. They're running about 70% college offense, 30% NFL offense. They're not turning it over. Tribisky very smartly is playing the game Matt Nagy wants, and they have a terrific front seven. They rested Kaleel Mack for several weeks for the home stretch and this week they play Minnesota so we'll know if they're for real. It's their best start

through nine games since 2012 Bears at 9. Number eight. I think Minnesota's going to beat them this weekend barely and I think it's close. Listen, the Vikings are tied for number one in sacks. They're a tremendous rush defense. They'll force

Trubisky to throw. So I'll take Minnesota to win that game. But my issue with Minnesota is I don't trust Kurt Cousins in big games, and they really can't run the football. They're tremendous. They're kind of like the opposite of Carolina. I get all the sizzle. I'd like a little more steak in the running game.

I'll put Minnesota at eight. Number seven. Houston Texans. I still think their defense is better than it's playing. I like their personnel on defense better than the result so far. But this story is about Deshawn Watson. If you can give him protection, The kid's magic.

I mean, it comes down to that. They're not going to win on their defensive front. J.J. Watts not went in playoff games. Deshawn Watson's last three games. Eight TDs, no picks, 132 quarterback rating. Like Andrew Luck, comes off an injury, kind of a bumpy September, but they're going to go as far as Deshawn allows them. I have the Texans at 7.

Number 6. New England. Again, I think at home. I think when they can, you know, get the ball rolling. I think this is a very good football team with the best coach in the NFL and an elite quarterback. Their pass rush is hit and miss. Gronk physically, week to week is hit and miss.

And by the way, Tom this year is 18th in completion percentage. Passer rating is 16th. I do believe this is one of those years that could really use home field in January. I don't think they can go on the road and beat a Kansas City or Pittsburgh or a Houston this year. I just don't. Number five. I cooled on the Rams about three weeks ago. Listen, their defense has cracks.

Dante Fowler had a nice weekend, and so again, it looks like a smart acquisition. But they've allowed 30 plus points in back-to-back games. Russell Wilson gave them fits. Seattle ran the ball right at them. Now, the good news is they've scored 30 plus points in 8 of 10 games, but I think they're going to be unveiled a little bit this weekend. I think the Chiefs are going to beat the Rams. I like them a lot.

But defensively, you can take the ball away from them, run the ball and eat the clock, and I think it's their liability. Number four. Chargers. I think the Chargers may not be as talked about, as disgust. They're not the media darling. I think the Chargers have better players than the Rams. I think they've had the best receiving core in the NFL.

They're doing this without Joey Bosa. I don't trust their field goal situation, but they've won't. six straight. The only player in the league with multiple touchdown passes in every game is Philip Rivers. They've held five straights opponents under 20 points. This roster, outside a field goal, they don't really have a flaw. They really don't. Last year, you could run on them. This year, not so much. This receiving core is a three-headed monster. Cooper Cups out for the year for the Rams. All the Chargers receivers are healthy. Number three. Steelers. About a month ago, they played Atlanta, and whatever happened, it clicked.

Because since that game against Atlanta, their pass rush is nasty. They are first in the NFL. I never worry about their offense. Nobody drafts receivers and develops young receivers like the Steelers. I never worry about that. Tight ends, backs, O-Linement. Pittsburgh's fine in the offensive side. And again, this year, they didn't even need Levian Bell.

That pass rush now, they have buttoned up the defense. They've won five straight. Lead the league in sacks. at three. Number two. Kansas City. Having given them a ton of love so far, I do think they beat the Rams. Justin Houston's back. Eric Berry. I don't think they're going to be a great defensive team, but I don't think anybody's a great defensive team. Pittsburgh's the most dominating defense I've seen was Chicago. You know, Chicago gives up big points. Pittsburgh's been a run around a couple of times. I just think when it comes to Kansas City, what I like this weekend, they scored the fewest points.

They've scored all year, 26. I think they're looking ahead of the Rams. They still won, convincingly. I'll take Kansas City number two. Number one. I don't think anybody can deny this Saints team is good. Secondary is a little iffy. Run defense, excellent, offensive line. Doesn't get a lot of love. But it reminds me a little bit of the Cowboys O' line about three years ago.

It just feels a notch better than even good offensive lines. They've scored 96 points in the last two games. And by the way, they've had tough games. You know, they play the Vikings emotional. Then they have to play the Rams. And then after the Rams, they have to go to Cold Cincinnati. And it's just win after win after win. They've gone to cold areas, Baltimore, cold area of Cincinnati.

They've come home, big game, Saints number one. And with that, via the coward, global satellite network, he is the lead content guy for Monday morning quarterback. Albert Breer is joining us live. Let's start with New England. You cover the league but know them as well. as anybody, and that's why I love bringing you on. Listen, they're now losing on the road consistently.

Gronks constantly inactive. Sony Michelle is more valuable than I think any rookie's been for the Patriots offense in a long time. I do believe, Albert, this team needs home field advantage. Are we being hyperbolic here? No, I mean, I think the AFC is a little stronger than most people thought it would be. The Steelers certainly look more complete than they were last year. obviously the chiefs have been the chiefs over the first two months of the season. I mean, to me, you know, we're talking about degrees here.

Are they in trouble? Well, you know, is it possible that they could wind up? I'm not going to the AFC championship game for the first time in eight years. I think that's on the table. I think they probably make it, but they've got a lot to figure out right now. And what I've always found is when the Patriots are in trouble, it's when you look at them and you're saying, well, Belichick will figure it out on defense, and Tom Brady will make it work on offense. And right now, that sort of feels like we are, that that's where we are.

I don't think anybody would have guessed in September. We'd be at this point of the season saying the Patriots really need Josh Gordon, but they need Josh Gordon. They're reliant on Josh Gordon, the guy that they picked up in September. Huge part of that, of course, is Gronk's health. There's no guarantee that he's going to be back anywhere close to 100% by the end of the year. He's battling a number of different things.

Julian Edelman, same deal. He's been a little bit nicked up. And so they lack an identity on offense, something they can. can hang their hat on. Certainly it's going to be a priority for them to develop that. I think that's one piece of it they're going to have to figure out. And the other piece of it, I mean, look, and I've said this for two years. They've invested a lot in their secondary. For their defense to be even good based on what they have in the front seven, the secondary needs to be excellent. Before the Titans game, the secondary was excellent. The secondary regressed in that

Titans game, Stefan Gilmore didn't play well and things flowed downhill from there. And so I think that's really the two things that you're looking at going forward. They've got to take care of between now on Christmas, develop an identity on offense, whether it's part of that, it's getting Gromf back healthier, whether that's getting Edelman back healthier, or reworking everything. And then on defense, I think, it's getting the secondary backwards playing, as well as it had before that Tennessee game. Philadelphia loses off a buy at home. I still think Carson Wentz is a remarkable talent, and I love their defensive line,

but they're pretty average on the perimeter, no real pop running back. Secondary is a mess. you talk to your sources around the league. How surprised are you? Philadelphia is sub-500. They go on the road now to New Orleans. They're kind of a mess, right? Like this thing is unraveling a little bit.

Well, again, I would look where their investment is. And when you talk to people about where the Eagles are at right now, so much of their identity over the last year has been built through that offensive line. And they've invested big time in their offensive tackles. And to this point, Jason Peters hasn't played up to his accustomed level at last. tackle coming back off the injury last year. He's been nicked up and playing through pain. They haven't got production at that spot. And Lane Johnson, before he got hurt, was underachieving at right tackle. And so they've been reliant. That team has been built around its offensive

line and in particular, it's tackle play. They've really invested in those spots. They haven't played well in those two spots. And when you've got a quarterback coming back off in ACL, like Carson Wentz is, those problems can compound. And so I think you start there. And then defensively, certainly you mentioned it. The problem at the corner position was already there. Oh, it's a mass. They need young guys like Sidney Jones to play better. There's no question about it. Jones has had some health issues, too, of course. And losing Ronald Darby, now there's a potential there that problem gets a lot worse because you're taking your best player at the position out of the mix. And so there's just a lot they're working through. One thing that's keeping them alive, of course, is the NFC East hasn't been very good, but the problems there are real. And the two spots where I think they need to get a lot better. And, you know, forget. the issue at receiver, forget some of the issues they've had at linebacker. To me, the big thing going forward is to get right at those tackle spots and get right at the corner spot.

Albert, something, we're having kind of a cultural change in the NFL where these Shanahan's and these Matt Nagy's and these Sean McVeys, they're making even successful coaches on offense. Mike McCarthy look old. Dirkutter looks old. Jason Garrett looks old. Hugh Jackson's been fired. Forget the defensive coaches.

we got a revolution going on here. The rules are built for these young guys. And I feel bad for Todd Bowles, but I look at Sam Darnold. And I'm like, I'm sorry. I got to get an offensive coach, right? Like the Jets, they've got to fight. Yeah.

It's a factor, Colin. I mean, like, I can tell you, owners right now are pointing to Sean McVeigh and pointing to Andy Reid's offense in Kansas City and saying, give me that. Like, how do I get that right there? And two things really stick out. If you want to talk about the way things are being done a little bit differently.

First, what these coaches are willing to do, and Sean McVeigh said it to me repeatedly when he talks about his philosophy, the quarterback's job is the most difficult job in sports. So my job is to make it as easy as I possibly can for him. So these coaches have found a way to take some of the mental load off the quarterback and put it on the coaching staff, whether it's through formation and whether it's through motion, all the different things that they do to make the quarterback's job easier. And we see it with Kyle Shanahan the way he was eating. able to get Jimmy Garoppolo ready to play. We've seen it with Sean McVeigh, the way he's got

Jared Gough to play at a certain level. They're making things easier on the quarterbacks. They're getting the quarterbacks playing faster. So that's one piece of it. The second piece of it is how open-minded these guys are. I remember sitting with Matt Nagy over the summer. He told me that when he goes into the draft, he has two pads of paper. On one pad of paper, he's taking notes on the players that he's looking at, right? Scouting, I like this guy. I like that guy. On the second pad, he's writing down plays. I like this play. I like that play. Twenty years ago, a lot of NFL coaches looked at the college game and said, that's college stuff, that's rinky dink, that's gimmicky, we're not going to do that. Now NFL coaches are stealing things from the college game. They're

stealing things from the high school game. And so I think the ability to get quarterbacks playing fast and taking the metal load off the quarterbacks is one element that you're seeing from these coaches. And then a willingness to be open-minded and steal things from lower levels of football, that's creeped into it too. I don't know who the next guy. as far as this sort of developing friend in pro football? I don't know who the next guy is going to be. I will tell you that I think that there are going to be owners that are going to look at it and say,

okay, well, maybe we'll look at a Josh McDaniels. Maybe we'll look at John D. Philippo, but we're also going to look at the college ranks now. We're going to be more open-minded about looking at the college ranks because a lot of that stuff that's coming to the NFL is from there. And that's where I think you'd see names like Lincoln Riley certainly come up when we get to January. Finally, I have a sleeper team in the NFL.

Well, I'm told it's your sleeper team. I think the AFC playoffs are all figured out except one spot. I think the Patriots win their division. The Steelers win theirs. The Chiefs win theirs. The Texans win theirs. I think the Chargers are in as an AFC wildcard. The only thing left, and I think it's going to come from the AFC South, it's going to be the Titans of the Colts.

I like the Colts are my dark horse team. I'm told they're yours as well. Why? I love the Colts right now. First of it, two pieces to it. First of it, first part is Andrew Locke, who, if you haven't noticed, is playing fantastic football. The last three weeks, he's completed over 70% of his passes. I talked to Frank Reich about this on Sunday night. I said, are you guys at the point where you think that Andrew Luck is back to being Andrew Locke? He's like, the waiting is over, we're here. So they've got Andrew Luck back in a spot where they feel like he could

be a top five quarterback over the last two months of the season, and that's obviously significant. The other piece, they're drafting better, Colin. That offensive line is fixed. Like, they haven't allowed a sack since October 4th. That's bananas. They have two games in that stretch where they've rushed for over 200 yards. They have four top 40 picks starting on their offensive line. Two of them from this year's draft class, Quentin Nelson and Braden Smith.

And oh, by the way, on the other side of the ball, they probably have the rookie of the year in Darius Leonard at middle linebacker. On top of that, a couple of running backs, Jordan Wilkins, Nahim Hines. Dionne Kane, the receiver from Clemson, had been the star of training camp, he's hurt, they'll see him next year. There's depth in the draft class. There's elite players in the draft class.

I think we're going to look at this team in December and say, if this team makes it into the playoffs, they could be a threat to advance. And going into 2019, based on the job that Chris Ballard has done as a general manager and where Andrew Luckes is a quarterback, I think we're looking at a team that's going to be a force to be reckoned with over the next few years, not just in their division,

but in the AFC in general. Robert Breer, main content guy, Monday morning quarterback, Albert, appreciate it, man. Thanks. You got to call him. I couldn't agree more on Indianapolis. Again, you know, RG3 came out and one rookie of the year and was flashy and fun, and Andrew Luck was boring. Can we stop living in the moment?

What do you inherit? Darnold's got nothing in New York. Baker's got real players. Josh Allen and Buffalo's got nothing. Josh Rosen and Arizona's got nothing to work with. I'm telling you, Andrew Luck came into this league with. garbage, he finally has an offensive line and he is tearing it up. I mean, I got to tell you something.

When I think about who I was watching Sunday, the first team I picked was the Indianapolis Colts. Generally, I want to see the Steelers. I want to see Pittsburgh. It used to be Aaron Rogers. It's New England. This week, first game I wanted to see. I wanted to see Andrew Locke.

If you haven't seen them, they are so much fun. They are this close. They are really close. They are one more draft class away. They need an edge rusher. And they need a couple of athletes up front and they can beat anybody. They are really fun to watch. Coming up, I want to get ahead of an argument.

There's going to be a big argument on the show tomorrow. I want to get ahead of it next. I want to get ahead of it. That plus my staff came up with a game, Joy. I'm going to be humiliated on the air because I'm going to be wrong on every answer. Plus, we have a very good video. Oh, oh, your video. Yes.

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All right, I'm going to lose my mind in five minutes. I'm going to lose my mind in five minutes. because something's driving me crazy and I want to get ahead of the argument and I'm losing my mind and it'll be in five minutes but first the talented the smart the beautiful Joy Taylor with the news

turn on the news this is the herd line news you can be the calming influence before my head explodes all right I'll try so the Titans were able to get the better of the Patriots on Sunday afternoon of course the matchup between Malcolm Butler

and Belichick was of interest given their history of Butler being benched in Super Bowl 52, everyone flipping out, blaming it on Bill Belichick, and now Butler's not playing so well this year. But Butler says that he and Bill Belichick spoke for the first time since Free Agency before and

after the game. Wow. Yeah, he told me good luck for the rest of the season, and he was glad to work with me for four years, and I told him the same thing back. It was very kind. And they're very nice? That's so sweet. Yeah, Bill Pride game at least six seconds,

maybe seven tops. You know what? Here's why I like this story, because we made a huge, not just us, everyone, made a huge deal out of the Malcolm Butler situation. And we like to think of these things as these everlasting beefs that go on for all eternity. And who knows how Malcolm Butler really feels about Bill Belichick still to this day. But these are human-human interactions. And Bill Belichick, despite everything else, I'm pretty sure it's pretty professional about things.

He has made it a point to not be super connected to players in that way. That's his deal. He's not buddy-buddy even with Tom Brady. Of all the players on the scene, you would think he'd be the guy. I've had bosses like this. Some bosses you go out and drink beers with. Other bosses are sort of up in their office and they run the show. You know, everybody's different.

And whatever Bill B'Lech soon is working. Although everyone thinks it's falling apart now, but I'm going to not jump on that bandwagon. So according to Woge, Carmelo Anthony's representatives have already attempted a plan on what his next steps should be if the Rockets release him. Woj says that Mello's reps spent Monday

gathering information from NBA front offices about a potential landing spot. Well, it's a little too early to say this is the end for Mello. It's kind of hard to map out his next move. So where would he end up? Well, Kyrie Irving said on Sunday that Celtics may have an opening. He said, quote, right now, I think it would be nice

if we had someone that was a 15-year vet that could kind of help us race along the regular season and understand it's a long marathon rather than just a full-on sprint. Terrible idea. What's the next one? Dwayne Wade came out and defended Carmelo whenever these rumors first started.

And, of course, then there's, you know, my theory that he could end up with the Spurs. The Spurs ranked 21st in shooting. The Celtics ranked 25th. Now, the heat rate ranked 13th. I don't really think that he could really use power. Can we just listen, Boston's going to figure their stuff out. Can we give Boston?

Everybody's freaking out about the Celtics. They're going to be fine. It's November. No, it's a little too early to freak out, but, you know, they do need some scoring. And so do the Spurs. And Carmelo could be a big piece off the bench. I don't know. Just keep an eye out for it.

I will say, though, I feel very confident that he's not retiring. Safe in that. Finally, we've been talking about it all morning. It is now time for the magic video. Okay, magic video. Yes. So, should I tell everyone, well, I guess I have to tell the radio audio. what it is.

Because everyone can't see it. You go ahead and tell them. Okay. So this is an insane knockout. It's a knockout finish that happened on Saturday night. UFC. And U.S.Denver. Yeah, you're Rodriguez.

Ended Korean zombie with a knockout elbow with one second left in the fight. Now watch it. Yes. Final seconds. Are they going to throw another big shot? Oh, nice body kick. One more flurry. Oh, my goodness.

It was an elbow. Oh, my God. That's right there. It's just the elbow. What an elbow from Yairo-R-R-Riguez? It's like his shoulder came up. I've never seen anything like that. How could that knock him out?

Well, God, that's fat. It's pretty clear how that knocked him out. Hold on. It's just, how do you? God, it's an unidentified flying elbow. It's a U-F-E. It is. His shoulder, like, goes out of socket or something

to get up there. Isn't that the craziest ending to a fight? It really is. It's so quick. There's literally one second left and just... And I mean it knocks him out flat. Yeah, no, he's asleep. Watch this.

Oh, my God. I didn't see it in the first fast motion. I didn't even see it. No, we have it slowed down here. If you watch the regular fight. It's the elbow at the end. Yes, it's really quick. If you blink, you miss it.

It's just one flying elbow right up the chin. Wow. Wow. You got to keep your hands up. Can't sell out there. Even until the very end. Got to fight till the bell rings. All right. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The herd-line news. Okay, I'm going to blow a gasket here. Give me three minutes, four minutes on this. Tomorrow, I want to get ahead of this. Tomorrow we're going to be arguing about something, and I think it's a stupid argument. But I do have a strong opinion on this. Okay, tonight's the college football playoff stuff. And it's going to be Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame.

Those are the three best teams I've seen. And, you know, fourth, we're all going to argue about fourth. We always do this. Jay Billis, Dickie Vital, go crazy, get Monmouth in. We always argue about the garnish instead of the steak. The steak is Alabama. I don't give a rip about generally who of the last team is in that's going to get their arse kicked by Alabama.

But I will say this. There's a word in college sports I'm tired of when it comes to tournaments. And that word is deserving. Stick it. I'm tired of deserving. What I want is disruptive. I don't care what lousy conference you want. College football is better when multiple teams can win a national championship.

So if I'm on that committee, I don't give a rip about some central Florida football team that's deserving. I don't care about Memphis Tech and Monmouth and, you know, Dickie Vell spent hours, and I love the guy, but he'll spend hours arguing about somebody that's got no chance to win three games. Is Duke in, is Kansas in, is Kentucky in? You know, check, please. Here's what to look at for number four. Number four is Alabama first. There are two teams in that four spot that could be disruptive to Alabama. One of them is Georgia.

They recruit the same players and they beat Alabama all the time on athletes. Now, I don't think Georgia is going to beat Alabama, but Nick Saven would look at that tape and go, we better play clean. We better play clean. Now, George is going to play Alabama in the SEC championship game. and get their crack at him, so erase them for the sports spot. I'm not giving them two shots to beat Alabama.

That's totally unfair to Alabama. Alabama shouldn't have to beat you twice in a row. That's totally unfair. If Bama beats Georgia, that's your shot. Step up, big boys, play football. You beat Bama? Then we've got a different argument. But the team that deserves to be disruptive,

who is Nick Saban going to look at and go, oh boy, it's Oklahoma. Oklahoma has all the ingredients that give Nick Saban little worst night's sleep. They got a mobile quarterback. Nick Saban struggle with mobile quarterbacks. They got NFL receivers, backs, and offensive linemen. Nick Saban would put in that table, Oklahoma. And first couple of nights, Nick Saban would go, we got to play clean.

I don't care about your deserving. Michigan may be more deserving. Michigan has no chance to be to Alabama. the only teams in that four spot that are disruptive to Alabama because Clemson's proven they're disruptive. But Clemson's going to beat whoever they play at two. They'll beat Notre Dame. They'll end up playing Alabama last.

But the question is at number four. If you want to go deserving, somebody's going to get beat by 40. Georgia, Oklahoma are the only teams that could get into that four spot that can make Bama work for it. They'd be disruptive. And Georgia's getting their shot in the SC. championship. So cross them out. You get one. You don't get two shots. Oklahoma has to be in there. They have all the ingredients, big boy offensive linemen, big boy receivers, mobile quarterback,

and a brilliant head coach. Nick Saban's never faced Lincoln Riley. Lincoln Riley is a world class. Dallas Cowboys want Lincoln Riley. NFL teams want Lincoln Riley. I guarantee you if you you ask Nick Sabin outside of Georgia who he doesn't want to play in that first game, it's Oakland. He'd love to face Washington State. He looks at how small they are. He'd love to face Michigan. That offensive line for Michigan is mediocre. Who would Nick Saban not want to play in that first playoff game?

Georgia for a second time, and that's unfair, so cross them off in Oklahoma. I don't care about your deserving. I don't care about deserving. I care about disruptive. All right, I'm done. I didn't think that was too aggressive. There we go. The deserving teams aren't going to like it.

But Monmouth. Monmouth doesn't get into March Madness. And Memphis Tech and Panera Brad and the, yeah, yeah. It's like, is Duky and is Kansas and is Kentucky and is Syracuse in? Good. We referenced this Panera Brad University alive. But UCF is undefeated and I don't care. I don't care.

Get into a regular conference. I don't care. Deserved. I'm over deserving. All right. All right. I got to get into this. So Carmelo Anthony is going to get booted off another team. And even legends in sports, it always ends poorly. Outside of like John Elway, Barry Sanders, Derek Jeter, arguably Peyton Manning, even for legends,

it's always a pathetic ending in sports. Carmelo's pathetic. And my staff said, Colin, we're going to put you on the spot. we're going to name legends can you even tell us the last team they played for just to illustrate that Carmelo Anthony is not the exception this is how it ends for

virtually everybody in sports including stars that's coming up don't be the guy in the room with a slong sloppy looking on tuck shirt on tuckett.com code her 20% off on tuckett.com code her 20% off so Carmelo Anthony his career is winding down it's got an Alan Iverson feel to it it's a

mess. And the reality is when it comes to legends, even legends, Derek Jeter had a very dignified ending. John Elway may have had the greatest ending. He had years left, won a Super Bowl and retired. Barry Sanders got criticism, but a very refined, smart, dignified ending. Calvin Johnson, I've had enough. I'm out. Peyton Manning, mostly good, though he got benched for Brock Osweiler. In the end, players chase money, and it gets sad and pathetic. And they're running on fumes. If I was Carmelo Anthony, you got 100 million, 150 million, get out, but this is the way it always ends. And I was talking about this with my team this morning, and they said, you know, how bad does it get? And so we're going to play a game here,

and you can play along with me. It's worse. And I told him, I didn't want to know the players. I didn't want to know anything about this. So the game basically is called How Did It End? So here we go. All right. Which team did Shaquille and he all play his last game with? All right. The question for the audience is, we'll play along here. Who was the last team that Shaq played for? Now, we know we started with Orlando, and then we know he went to the Lakers.

And then from there, I know he went to Miami, and then I think he went to Phoenix. And then there was a Boston Cleveland thing in there. I'm going to guess. I'm going to guess Boston. Correct. He played 37 games for the Celtics in the 2010-2011 season. Look at that. He does not look right in that uniform.

I would agree. He looked best in the heat. Yeah, okay. All right. Jerry Rice, who did he play his last game with? Oh, God. Okay, Jerry Rice, Mississippi Valley State, San Francisco 49ers. Then I feel like there was a Raider thing in there and a Seahawk thing in there.

there. So I'm going to go Seahawks. Correct. Jerry Rice cut three touchdowns for Seattle in the 2004 season. There was also a brief Bronco thing in there. Oh, there was a Denver thing in there. Okay. All right.

All right. Dennis Rodman. Oh, Lordy. All right. Dennis Rodman, there was a San Antonio. No, no. There was a Detroit thing. And then there was a San Antonio thing. And there was a Chicago thing.

And there was a lot of drinking and partying thing. There was a dress at one point. I think there were a couple of dresses. Okay, hold on. Detroit, San Antonio. We can all agree. Chicago. Right. I'm going to throw this out there.

I don't even know why I'm saying this. Atlanta? No. Dallas Mavericks. Robin played 12 games for Dallas, but he averaged 14 rebounds. He's wearing number 70. He looks like a spring training pitcher. God, that's awful.

Is that the only number they had in the uniform closet? I don't know. 70? 14 rebounds pretty good, though. All right. Manny Ramirez, where did he play his last game? All right, let's go, Manny Ramirez. I remember the Red Sock thing,

and then I remember the Dodger thing. And then I remember he took a pill that somebody said was steroids, and it was a fertility. drug. I think he was still a Dodger then. So there was the Red Sox thing. First of all, wasn't there a Cleveland thing? Then a Red... He started with Cleveland. Yeah, he started with Cleveland. He went to the Red Sox. Then he went to the Dodgers. Okay. Texas Rangers. Tampa Bay Rays. I knew that. He got one total hit with Tampa. He got one hit? One hit. How long was he there? I don't have that, but... We went there long. Yes. What team did Patrick

Ewing play his last game with. I just don't want to see him in any uniform but the Knicks. I don't even want it. This can be sad. Okay. There was the Nick thing. I swear to God there was a Sonic thing and an Orlando thing. What is with Orlando? I swear to God there was a Sonic thing and an Orlando thing. I'll guess Orlando. Correct. Orlando Magic. He played 65 games for Orlando in the 2001, 2002 season. Did he play for anybody else?

Was the Sonics in there or something? Yeah, Sonics was after the Knicks and then Orlando. Okay, okay. All right, all right. Pretty good at this. All right, which team did T.O. play his last game with? Wow.

Did he start with the Niners? Okay, I remember he went to like Savannah State. He was a nobody. Then he comes to San Francisco. And Chattanooga, yeah, he came from a nowhere school. So there was San Francisco. We all know about Philadelphia and Donovan McNabb. And we all know about the Cowboys.

He tried out for the, the Seahawks. Time out, time out, time out. God, this is, this is so, it's a whole. San Francisco, Philadelphia, Dallas. Dallas. Why am I, I can't get Cincinnati out of my head.

Hold on, hold on. Cincinnati? Correct. Am I right? You are. Wow. Tio caught nine touchdown passes for the Bengals in 2010. Yeah, he also played for the Bills before he was. Oh, you're right. He did play. I remember they threw a big parade at the airport. Remember that? I forgot the Buffalo years, but probably he did too.

All right. Finally. Which team did Vince Carter play his last game with? I mean, he's still playing. I mean, I can't even go far. I think he's played for 10 teams. By the way, I saw a piece of video. I'm not joking. I saw a piece of video two weeks ago of Vince Carter in warm. arm-ups doing a tomahawk dunk. I was just like, what? I think he's 64. Okay, so, okay, so he played for the Raptors for a long time. I'm not even going to name the teams.

He's played with a dozen teams. I'm going to guess. He's playing for somebody right now. Okay, who would pay Vince Carter? There was Dallas, too. Detroit. No. The Atlanta Hops.

He's in his 21st season. You are correct. He is still playing. There he goes. That's his 18. That happened on Sunday. This happened on Sunday. Look at this.

God, that's incredible. I'd love to have him on the show. Can we get him on the show? I want Vince Carter on the show. You're pretty good at that game. Look it, man. That's still a move, man. It still is.

21 seasons. Good stuff. Logan Ryan of the Tennessee Titans will be joining us next hour. Casper.com. Risk free 100 nights. Casper.com. If you put in the code heard, say 50. bucks terms and conditions apply the wave mattress is fantastic hour three next here we go hour three

this is the herd wherever you may be however you may be listening live in los angeles i heart radio fox sports radio fs one right here joy taylor is joining me i was just almost humiliated in a game by the staff i did better than i thought i think you only missed two i was i was not terrible the one i was worried about was a keemelajuan because i think he ended his career in Canada. And I just don't want to even see the picture of that. I don't want to see. Akima Juana was so amazing in college, Phi Slamma Jama. One of my favorite college teams, college football, college basketball history. I've told you for years, I spend time on YouTube. YouTube's a great channel. Is if you go back on YouTube and you look up Fy Slamma Jama, they are so much better than

the college teams today. They would destroy most of the time in sports. If you go back 30 years in sports. The teams 30 years ago would get destroyed by the bigger, stronger athletes today. You go back and look up, go to YouTube. Where college basketball now, a guy stays for one year and he's gone. The good teams

all have a bunch of 18-year-olds. Akeem Olajuwon was on the greatest college athletic team ever. College basketball, college baseball, college football. The greatest college team that never won a title was FI Slamma Jamma. Go to YouTube and look him up. It's like,

can't even believe the video. It looks like an NBA All-Star game. I don't even want to see Akima Lajuan playing for the Raptors. I just cover my eyes. I'm glad the staff. Yeah, it was the Raptors. Yeah, I don't even want to see it. Coming up in 15 minutes, Logan Ryan, former Patriot, now two-time Super Bowl chant with the Patriots, now a Titan. He was one of the Titans that beat the Patriots this weekend. And later in Best for Last, one stat, Dak Prescott doesn't want to see. But

I think the story today that interests me the most, the war years played last night in LA and lost. So let me start with Golden State. The NBA media keeps telling me, fans don't, but the media keeps telling me, Clay Thompson's out of here. He's going to the Lakers. And I keep here, and you know, Kevin Durant, Kevin Durant is out of here, man.

Steph Curry, he may go back to Charlotte, and I keep saying to myself, they ain't going anywhere. It's a three-man band. The first guy off the island is going to be Draymond Green. Draymond Green doesn't fit this team. He's the bully at the nightclub. He's the bouncer.

He's the class clown. He fits this band, but the band doesn't need him. He's Ringo Starr. They don't need him. I mean, last night's a classic example. Close game with the Clippers. Draymond Green gets the rebound, gets the ball up the court. Durant's open.

Kevin Durant, you know, pretty good. And Draymond Green doesn't find him, was going somewhere else, falls over himself. And then you saw Durant and Drayman Green. barking at each other in the huddle. Clay Thompson's not going anywhere, man. Kevin Durant's not going anywhere. Steph's not going anywhere. Draymond Green's the odd man out here.

He will not be here in three years. First of all, there's a lot of guys that can do what he does. He does it really, really well. He's the bouncer at the nightclub. There's a lot of bouncers in every city that can fill that role at the nightclub. And he's really, really good at it. He's Kenneth Farid. He's muscle.

He's muscle. All right. A lot of guys at a gym with muscle. Secondly, his personality rubs people that, you know, it's different. Draymond tends to be a little class clown, a little pokey in the ribs. But here's the other thing that goes unsaid. Do you really think Clay Thompson, Steph Curry, and Kevin Durant see Draymond Green as an equal? Really?

When you go play basketball at the YMCA, when you play basketball, you know, against the fellas, you can size guys up real quick. you're talking Clay Thompson's the best shooting guard to guard in the league. Steph Curry is the greatest shooter ever. And Kevin Durant's arguably the best player in the league outside of LeBron. Some say with LeBron. They don't see Draymond Green as an equal. They let him travel with the band.

They let him travel with the band. He's not an equal. His skills are totally replaceable. Whenever there's a nightclub, the owner of the nightclub will give a percentage to the general manager. maybe the food and beverage guy. They never give a percentage to the bouncer. They don't give a percentage to the muscle at the front door. Now, you're part of the group.

You know, when you guys get to eat dinner before you'd open the doors, you get some of it too. But I always laugh when everybody tells me like Kevin Durant's leave it. Kevin Durant is Silicon Valley. Steph Curry, Clay Thompson, these guys fit the Warriors. They fit their identity. What is Silicon Valley? What is San Francisco?

It's the future. It's the greatest. It's the richest. The most skilled. Those guys fit that. I'm watching Draymond Green last night. Butcher the end of that game. And I'm like, you keep telling me who's leaving.

Only one guy's going to leave this island. It's going to be Draymond Green. So, you know, I've never bought into this. I think, you know what it is? It's hopeful Laker fans. It's people around the NBA. And we're all hoping, right? Everybody wants to see this incredible dynasty broken up.

but when bands break up, there are people in every band, you know, that are less valuable to the band. And it goes without saying who's less skilled and who's less talented. You lose a front man, you got a different band. You know, you lose a drummer. Bands can mostly replace drummers. You change the front man, you've got a different band. So I'm watching this last night, and I'm just keep going back to, You really think Clay, Steph, and Kevin Durant consider Draymond an equal?

No. Maybe if they got into a fight with the Sixers or a fight with the Cavs or a fight with the Celtics or a fight with OKC, they'd want Draymond Green there. But the rest of these guys aren't leaving. You're just going to have to deal with this dynasty. And I know they're obnoxious. And I know they think they're smarter than everybody. And I know they're the greatest shooter of all time.

I understand nobody likes the warriors. but don't start making stuff up about people leaving. I don't buy it for one second. I don't buy KD's leaving. I don't buy K.D.'s leaving. They're moving into a new arena. They're going to be the most high-tech organization in the world. And that doesn't sound as much like Draymond as it does Clay, KD, and Steph.

Here's the second thing. I want to shift to the NFL. Years ago, I was talking to an NFL player. Then he goes, got you, players hate New England. And I'm like, well, well, players, you know, players just hate who's winning. And the player said to me, no, no, no, we don't hate everybody that's winning. We hate New England. Now, fans will say it's because they cheat.

That's not why they keep winning. That's not why they keep winning. I know you want to say SpyGate, but Tom Brady has been better since Deflate Gate. Tom Brady's been better since SpyGate. So the little problems they got into and were stopped, they're better. since then. Again, that's confirmation bias. That makes you feel good. Doesn't make it right. But I noticed something this weekend. Remember when Richard Sherman came out and you mad, bro, at Tom Brady? How did that turn out for Richard Sherman? And how did that turn out for Tom Brady?

That was 2012 after beating the Patriots midseason. And by the way, Lane Johnson, he talked a lot of trash. Do you remember Lane Johnson? I'd rather win one. Super Bowl and have fun, then five Super Bowls. That was Lane Johnson. Came on the show recently, laughed about it. Dionne Lewis, after he beat the Patriots this weekend. Oh, Dionne Lewis was talking trash. He goes, hey, you go cheap.

You don't want to pay me. That's how you get your ass kicked. Remember Jalen Ramsey talking trash? Right before the AFC title game, how did that work out? Remember Jalen Ramsey? We going to the Super Bowl and we're going to win that. Oh, brother. Richard Sherman, how to work out for you?

Lane Johnson, you guys are four and five going to New Orleans. How did that work out for you? Dionne Lewis, really think you'll be playing football, not watching it in January. Jags are Jalen Ramsey are 3 and 6. Tom Brady talked about Dionne Lewis's trash talk yesterday on WEEI Radio in Boston. You know, I give them credit to come out here. They didn't want to pay Dionne Lewis $12 million guaranteed and $20 million. It was just business.

The reason NFL players are rooting for the Steelers to win the AFC, are rooting for the Chargers to win the AFC, are rooting for the Kansas City Chiefs, the Houston Texans. It regards what the Patriots do is what is also not so slowly happening to society. It's called automation. The rich in America, the wealthy are concerned about a future in America with only rich and robots making money. the middle class replaced.

You go online, you see those videos. The New England Patriots are to a large degree NFL automation. Belichick and Brady are the rich and the robots. Players don't matter after that. And they don't like it. And I understand not liking it. You guys watching me when you go home, enter the house after work, don't you want to matter? You people watching me at work, don't you want to feel important at work?

like players don't like the Patriots because players don't really outside of Tom Brady really matter in New England. NBA players don't root against the Warriors. It is a player-driven system. Players, did you notice this? They loved the Seahawks. Wasn't about the system.

It was about the player. Players outside of Lavian Bell love the Steelers. Go online. They love the Chiefs. Players don't like New England. For the same reason, we're all a little afraid about robots and automation. It makes us unimportant, and everybody wants to matter. Husbands, wives, employees, even rich pro athletes feel like New England squeezes them.

What's ironic about that is that as much as players are fearful of New England, the next great teams like the L.A. Rams, aren't they about McVeigh's system? Watch the 49ers last night? It's sort of Kyle Shanahan's system. Matt Nagy makes Mitch Tribisky look like he matters in this league. The system. Football is the opposite of the NBA. The NBA is about telling players how important they are. And the reason there's so much resentment, Dionne Lewis,

Richard Sherman, Jalen Ramsey. This is the way it is. New England is automation. Outside of Tom, it's rich in the robots, and nobody else really matters. Coming up next, former Patriot, now a Titan. A lot of Titans that are former Patriots had a very good weekend. Not sure what to make of Tennessee. They humbled Dallas.

They dominate, and not just win, they dominate Tom Brady. now they go and they face Andrew Luck. They win that one. Folks, that's a real team. This could be the biggest game in Tennessee Titans' recent history as they go to face the Colts this weekend after physically dominating New England. All right, cold and flu season. Vick's Sinex nasal spray works up to 12 hours, uses directed when congestion strikes.

Well, I mean, listen, New England, we know this Tom Brady thing's going to end eventually. and it's not that they lost this weekend. They lost another road game. And Tennessee, which has the NFL's number one defense, I didn't think it was a very competitive game. It felt like to me it was one of those games. You can look at a score and think one thing. It kind of felt like a blowout in the second quarter

because the offensive line at New England was manhandled. I haven't seen Brady struggle like that in a long time. And we thought, let's bring on a former Patriots, got some rings. Now he's a Titan. Logan Ryan, be the coward, global satellite network. First of all, I'm excited to talk to you because you're a really a thinking man's football player. They nabbed you out of Rutgers.

I'm surprised they let you go because you are right up New England's alley. You're an analytic guy. You do all the little things well. Were you surprised? Are you surprised today? You're still not a patriot. You feel like a patriot. Well, I appreciate those compliments right there. I wish you can, we got to save that for

Brable to, so you can talk to me like that a little more. No, you know, it is what it is. I love being a patriot. I felt like I really was great in the system, being versatile, being willing to play wherever it took to win games. But I also understand from a financial standpoint that I might have got a little too rich for them. Yeah. And that's okay because John Robinson is a guy who liked me out of college. And I really feel like I can grow here and be a number one corner here and really develop guys like a Dory Jackson and really be a leader on a defense and do something special here in Nashville.

And that's what I'm doing on and off the field. I'm having a great time doing it and having a great time, you know, playing my former team too. So it's good all around and, you know, things work out as they may. And I mean, that's life. And I'm happy with, you know, everything has gone in my career so far. Well, Nashville is an amazing place to live. It's one of the really cool cities in America. my wife and I have been there, were always like, man, Nashville is a hidden gem, and they love their Titans.

You had a quote after the game. You said, quote, I've played a lot of games, and I haven't seen the Patriots look like that at the end of the game. Logan, what did you mean by that? Explain that. Well, we had so many keys to that game, and really it was to make them earn every yard. And we know with New England, they're going to, they did it to us in a playoffs last year. They're going to spread you out, go empty, go no huddle, and try to dink and dunk. And we wanted to make every yard give them nothing for free.

We wanted to line up and we wanted to make them earn it. And we wanted to press the receivers and, you know, Rush Brady. We weren't going to sit back and play zone and let them have all day. So we were going to go after it and really go for the win. And we were so locked in on doing that every drive. And I remember we got up right away and we're up 14-0 or 14-3. And I'm like, stay on it. Stay on it.

Because I've been on the other side. I've been with Brady coming back. 20 to 3 in the Super Bowl. I've been in the first Super Bowl of Malcolm Butler and Brady and coming back down 14 to fourth quarter. So I've been on that other side with him. He's relentless. And that's how we had to be on defense. So to see him out of the game with seven minutes left, that's something I haven't seen where they said, you know what, let's just kind of getting this, getting a bi-week healthy because I think we were beating him up a little bit. It was a really physical game on both sides. A lot of guys got banged up. A lot of guys giving a lot of effort. And I mean, that's the effort that

we need to play with every week. And I just think to see New England at the end, kind of pull Brady out and kind of say, you know, let's put a warrior in and kind of run the ball. And, you know, I haven't seen that. Yeah, well, no, there's no question. It was beyond disruptive. He was never comfortable in the pocket. You spent four years going against him at practice. And we all know Tom's great. That goes without saying, are there tricks that you have learned from Tom? Like, if I said to you, if I said to you, Logan, give me one or two, things that you're a better player having faced Brady. What would those be? Well, it's really a one-play mindset because Brady can have a bad play or I can have a bad play and their team's going to need you

in the end. And I think I gave up a catch to Edelman early in the game and I had a fourth down stop on the same play later. So I mean, to kind of just stay in at each and every play, it's a long game. It's something I learned from Brady. But really, you know, our key was to rush to, you know, get him out, get him off the spot. He's the best pocket passer of all time. He's the greatest quarterback of all time. I believe that from seeing that, seeing his work ethic, playing with him.

And everybody's key is to get him off the spot. That's obviously easy said than done. And their offensive line, they're taught to block inside out and create a nice pocket, and Brady's going to move up in the pocket. So we want to disrupt that like everyone tries to do. I think we did a good job of executing it with Dean Pease, who's been in Baltimore for years and had some good game plans against Brady.

We did some new defense that he hasn't seen. We also did a mixture of what we do, what's making us the number one defense right now in football. So I think we had a good mix of doing what we do, but giving them something new. And I don't think it tricked them. And I don't think we were trying to trick them. I just think that we were just playing aggressively and mixing in new defense and old defense and trying to line up in it almost. Because if you try to disguise him, he's seen it all.

And then you don't execute the play. For example, I remember the first play of the game, Kenny Vaccaro has a big hit. defensively. And it's second and 12. And then they run the ball or whatever. And it's third and 12. And Kevin Byard gets caught trying to Skies cover two. And he throws a 40-yard bomb to Josh Gordon down the middle. And KB said, man, I got caught trying to show too low. And I said, look, he's seen it. He knows you're not going to be there. Just line up where we got to line up and just play. And I think it's what we started to do. We stopped trying to trick them and just played. And like I said, made them receivers earn every yard.

You know, a couple of things. You face Andrew Luck this week, and I know you've seen film on Andrew. I love Andrew Luck. I think life a lot of times is do you get support. Nobody can do it alone in life. Nobody. No player. Michael Jordan.

I'm not in football. Yeah, not in football. By the way, Michael Jordan needed Scotty Pippin and Phil Jackson, too. And I look at Andrew Luck, in those first few years, man, he didn't have an old line. He didn't have a running game. Now he has both. Logan Ryan, when you look at the film of Andrew luck what do you see what jumps out to you because this is the biggest titans game in the regular

season logan i can remember in years what do you see i see that he's healthy i mean he's throwing the ball like andrew luck does and early in his career when he was healthy and has some protection he was MVP candidate so that's what is the last three games he hasn't got sacked i mean that's the key if you give any quarterback or especially a good one some time in his lead they can pick you apart i mean I tip my hat. I think that we have the best cover guys in the NFL. I think we're the best secondary. I think we can match up with anybody man to man with our three corners and our two

safeties. But if you give anybody time, you can't cover them forever. So we have to find a way to disrupt his timing, get in that offensive line, make them uncomfortable, similar to what we did last week. We just have to really make them uncomfortable back there and allow our coverage and our rush to marry up. And I think that's the key. You know, it's interesting.

The AFC this year, it feels like, you know, it's early, but I feel like New England will win their division, Pittsburgh will win theirs, Kansas City, Chargers will win theirs. And then I feel like the wild cards, your division is the last one that's open. And it's interesting. When you are in New England, you never had a Super Bowl hangover. They've avoided it. Philadelphia this year has a Super Bowl hangover. There is something to be said about living in the moment.

how do I know that young Tennessee after beating the Patriots you guys aren't out partying all night and you're going to show up flat against the Colts? How do I know that's not going to happen? Yeah, we tried that. They called us being the Eagles earlier in the year our Super Bowl. And we upset Philly when they got Carson Wentz back and Philly was supposed to be riding high and we beat them in overtime and it was great. And then we came out and lost to the bills.

and lost three straight. Yep. And then we did a lot of evaluation over the bye week. It came at a good time for us to figure out what we do well, commit ourselves. And we said it's November. That's something that Vrable is bringing from New England. It's true.

It's November. It's decision time. It's time to decide who the reels and the fakes are. It's time to decide who's going to win a division. It's time to decide what type of team you're going to be. I think these last two weeks, we had two games in six days after playing a game in line and having a long bye week. But we had two games in six days to really show.

show what's that offense will be coming in that and trust me we had that taste in our mouth after the Eagles game and I'm trying my best not to let that happen again and I don't think it will I think that the coach is going to get our best shot by the way you're wearing a sweater Logan Ryan former Patriot and it's MMCNB it's my man catch no ball slogan for the Titans you also have a charity campaign

per tackle you raise money for your foundation which is Animal Rescue, a family foundation. You're a really good dude. You're a tremendous young man. And by the way, give your Animal Rescue Foundation some love here. Tell me about it. Yeah, so the story starts in New England. It starts at Rutgers, the Ryan Animal Rescue Foundation.

My wife, who was my then girlfriend at Rutgers, I got dragged to New England. She moved up with me. And a little bit about her is I was playing for Super Bowls, and she didn't want any of my money. And she wanted to work. And she started working at a dog shelter. She was sweeping up kennels and cleaning up after dogs and walking them in the winter. And I would volunteer in my off days and go hang out with her and go walk some dogs with her.

And we rescued three dogs on our own throughout those years. But I really got to see the people who working at shelter, some of these dogs, the amount of help they need. And I really wanted to get some of these dogs adopted because you get some friendships and relationships with these dogs who've been there over a year. So I started taking pictures with dogs and trying to get them adopted and started doing it 26 of every month for my jersey number. It kind of gained wind and I kind of built that. Me and my wife built that into a 501C3 nonprofit. And we raised a ton of money for animals, dogs, cats, shelters, animals all over to really help them find forever home through behavior, through blankets in the winter, toys, whatever we can raise money for to help those animals. I have a huge heart for them.

A lot of people do. It's bigger than football. And that's what my pledge of campaign is. I'm pledging $126 per tackle that I make. I'm one of the best tackling DBs in the league. And I ask people to do that as well. And it doesn't have to be that much. It can be a dollar. It can be 50 cents to tackle. Whatever it is, it's going to be, it's going to go to the right cause and it's going to help out some animals. Logan, Ryan, good dude. You're easy to root for. Great career. Good man. Thank you so much for coming on the herd. We really appreciate you taking time. We know you're a busy guy. Appreciate it.

Thank you. Thanks for having me. You bet. Good dude. Some guys are easy to root for in sports. Tennessee's interesting. I mean, if Tennessee, so they totally stop the Cowboys, they physically dominate Brady,

Andrew Luck's been on a role for a month. What if they shut him down? You're going to wake up and be like, because I always feel like Tennessee feels like Carolina. They can win, but they've got to win a certain way. But Marioo was great Sunday. They got the running game going. They threw the ball.

Is it Corey Davis? They kept throwing the ball over to Corey Davis. He's a tough matchup. Joy with the News. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. All right, we were just talking about that game where the Patriots got their butts kicked against the Titans.

Well, buds kicked, it seems unnecessarily harsh. You know, when the Patriots lose, people like to file on. So I'm speaking for the people there. Brady had one of his worst games of the season. He had completed a season low 51% of his passes for 250s. four yards, no touchdowns. And every time that Brady has a bad game, the father time truthers come out and full force, and Brady had some thoughts on it.

Well, you know, everything's different from one year to the next. I think you keep working at it in the same way. Those things haven't changed for me. I'm sure some of my statistics have changed. I feel good out there and I feel like, do I want to play better? I absolutely want to play better. I want to play as best as I possibly can for my team. And that's what my job is to do.

You know, certainly yesterday was not a great performance. I got to go out there and play my very best these next six weeks to give our team the best chance. And that's what I want to do. I'm not going to start doubting the Patriots right now off of one game, however bad that loss was. I will say, though, be a little nervous if I was a Patriots fan and they have to play the Chiefs in the AFC championship game in Kansas City. I do not believe they can go to Kansas City and beat them. I'm not sure they can beat the Steelers. Listen, man, that game, Tennessee pushed them around.

I mean, it wasn't physically competitive at all. But isn't that the formulas to getting them? Yeah, I mean. Get Tom Brady off his mark and be physical. Yeah. That's why the loss hurts, because if Kansas City and the Chargers and the Steelers and the Texans keep posting wins, this is a year I feel like the margin. for them to win the AFC have come down to this.

They definitely do feel vulnerable. I will give you that. They do feel vulnerable. I just, I've, I've been crushed by the Patriots too many times, too many years in a row. I am not ready to say that he is on the decline just yet. All right. So, Dak Prescott and Amari Cooper, it looks very comfortable

together throughout their first two games as teammates. Dak found Amari Cooper six times for 75 yards, and even when he's throwing to other receivers, he looks most comfortable with Cooper. And here is Amari Cooper on what he saw from his new quarterback. He's resilient, man. He never gets down on himself, never gets down on the team. He's always believing that we can go out there and overcome any circumstance. And you need that,

especially in a quarterback. And that's something that I really admire. Very important quality to have. I always want a quarterback or a leader of a team to not be, not necessarily not be emotional, but react to the same. If you're going to be emotional, react emotional and wins and react and max react emotional and losses, but just be consistent. And that's one thing that Jack Prescott definitely is. By the way, it's I've always said that's his quality. I get none of this with him. He's very, he's very luck.

He's very, he's very Russell Wilson. Which some people would call boring, but. I love boring. I am boring. I like boring. You're not boring. You have a very exciting life. I would not define myself as boring.

But I would say I have old school qualities. Yes. And one of those things is if you are a leader, be consistent. Don't ride the wave because then everybody else is going to ride the wave and you have to be the beacon that is consistent. Consistency. Finally, as we mentioned earlier, Kevin Durant and Draymond Green were involved in a heated exchange last night. Everybody's playing it down like it's no big deal, Joy.

I'm one of those people. Temper's flared. Draymond took the ball up the court in the final seconds of the fourth quarter with a chance to win the game and he never got a shot off. and he lost control. KD was calling for the ball. Katie and Dremont then exchanged words and had a little fight on the bench.

Borgie kind of walked away with Dramon, and it was like a whole thing. And KD declined his post game media responsibilities, and Sean Livingston is the only player to address it on the record, and this is what he said. Just team spirit. Team spirit, you know. Guys, you know, guys wanting to,

I think, one of the different outcomes. And what happened? You know, obviously, Drey had a turnover. You know, guys might have thought they were open and winning the basketball. Didn't get it, you know? Things happened like that in this sport. But it was good to see some fire and some emotion. Yeah, KD was open and did want the basketball.

They went into overtime and lost to the clippers. I think you have more to this story. Yes. Oh, interesting. Woage, according to Wojj and Mark Spears, the ESPN, late game exchange between Kevin Durant and Dramon Green carried into the locker room. Monday night, the teammates loudly confronting Green for the decision-making on the final play of regulation. The scene was described as one of the most intense of this Golden State era.

Interesting. And Draymond was forceful in his defense of himself, which helped to escalate the volume in the room. Oh. But. It seems to me this was, when you argue with your man or I argue with my wife and then it's getting even more heated behind closed doors, That is 100. That is real. No, I do think it's real.

I think it's real emotion. I think that they were very upset that Dremon decided to make a decision like that because that's not what Dremon's supposed to do in that spot. It sounds like that Dremon's wearing everybody out there. No, Dramon's not wearing everybody out. They're a championship organization. You can see Bougie right there talking to Dremont. Look at this.

Give it to Kevin Durant. Like, just give it to Kevin Durant. Let K.D. come up and if he misses the shot, you can live with that. But you can't live with is Draymond dribbling the ball up the court and losing it. So I'm sure that they were all just very emotional. They didn't want to take that out. And those are the mistakes that make a difference when you get into the postseason.

Right now, regular season game against the clippers, not so big of a deal. But I don't think anyone is wearing low on Draymond. They should be very aware of it. You will be a major trade within hours. Joy Taylor. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news.

You know, this is an interesting story, and we haven't really talked about this. I saw a story this morning. The Rams could clinch their division title in week 11, which is like, good Lord. Is it possible to clinch too early? You know what's funny? Living in Los Angeles, there is something going on with the Rams behind the scenes. They're really doing something very interesting. I'm not sure how it's going to play out.

It is very different than the NFL. The NFL mentality has always been no pain, no gain. No pain, no gain. You've got to suffer to win. That's just the NFL I've grown up with. The Rams are doing something. In the preseason, they wouldn't play their starters. Not a snap.

The NFL did not like it. They were sending a message. Come here. We don't play our stars in the preseason. Todd Gurley said after that, this is everybody's dream in the league. They wouldn't play their starters a snap in the first. preseason. NFL did not like it. That's their culture. They're doing this to attract stars. It's very Lakers in the 70s, 80s, 90s, early 2000s. By the way, their practices, a lot of walk-through

practices for their veteran players. Don't even have to wear, you know, shells. Again, spread the gospel of the Rams. Sean McVeigh calls players by their name. It's not coach. If you call them coach, he'll call you player. They are changing the culture of this league. And I've, I've seen, seen my whole life, it feels very Google. And Google's doing pretty well. Google has massage therapists, eight hours a week for creativity, dog at work, foosball arcades. Everybody now in Silicon Valley, they laughed at it initially. They're all copying Google now. There is a culture change in the NFL happening. And the centerpiece here is the Rams. I'm not sure how it's going to play out. Will they be too soft? Will they, will they be too comforted? I saw how the only, the only

ownership and the front office handle the crisis and the shooting in the community and the fires. They have gone so above and beyond the average, even good, well-run NFL team to take care of their players. It's going to be very fascinating. You watch them in week 12, 13, 14, 15. They're going to rest starters a lot. It's a different way to do it. This whole no pain, no gain, they're not playing that.

This whole, you've got to suffer to win in this league. They're not playing it that way. It is a, when you live in Los Angeles, it's a very different way to do football. Who knows? Who knows? Maybe it doesn't work. Maybe they're too soft. Maybe they're too finesse.

Maybe they're too this. But it is, it's got a Google field to it. It is different. I've never seen an ownership treat their players this well. I've never seen a staff that is more relatable to their players. Trent Dilfer said yesterday, he feels like it's the new NFL. Their ability from the top down, this is the owner, president, director of operations, head coach, everybody involved to handle the chaos that was their life this week and to be able to handle it right and be human beings. And then go and play the type of football they played Sunday.

That shows tremendous character. When they win the Super Bowl, they will look back at this week and say, we were good. We were a good team. We have good players and good coaches, but that made us great. Yeah, it's a really interesting thing to watch. It feels like the Lakers in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and early 2000s. They were not only the biggest brand, they just treated everybody better. I'm just going to say it.

Camp in Hawaii. I'm going to say it. What? It feels very millennial. What's wrong with millennials? Nothing. I don't think there's anything wrong with millennials. I'm just saying this is kind of a critique of millennials.

You know, we're a little too soft. I have never. I like millennials. I like millennials. We always want to do everything a little different. What did you say, John? Well, it hasn't worked yet. That's what I'm saying.

I don't know why it's going to come out. I'm just saying. They lose their first playoff game again. Then we'll say they're too soft. Right. I like millennials. If you guys would get off Fortnite for five minutes. But I mean, I do like millennials.

You're not old and crusty. I like you. Coming up next, there's one stat, Dak Prescott doesn't want to see. That's next and best for last. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart radio app. Search Hurd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

Saturday, the fight for the college football playoffs is on, starting with Jay Patterson in number four Michigan as they try to keep things rolling against Indiana on FS1. Then in primetime, Kyler Murray in the sixth-ranked Oklahoma, look to make a statement against Kansas on Fox or catch it all on the Fox Sports app. Do you know Oklahoma last six games is averaging 52 points? that's more than they average last year with Baker Mayfield. Well, sorry if my facts get in the way of your emotional well-being. I'm just saying their offense is better now this year.

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That's amazing. One guy left. Anyway, here we go. It's called Bull stat, real stat or bull stat. Here we go. All right, big matchup. Thursday night on Fox. The Packers head into Seattle to face the Seahawks.

Great game. Bad news for Green Bay. Aaron Rogers has never beaten Russell Wilson in Seattle. 0.3. Does this mean that the Packers will lose in Seattle on Thursday? That is a real stat. That's a real stat. By the way, they're also 0 and 4 on the road this season.

Listen, there are certainly. Certain things that travel well, running games. I mean, Dallas played great in Philadelphia. The bottom line is, if you can run the football, and let's be honest about Green Bay, they do a lot of things well. They don't run the football. They're not the same team on the road. They don't take the crowd out of it. They don't have long drives.

They need Aaron Rogers to save them. He's the human life preserver. So I think this is a real thing. Green Bay is not as good on the road. Last seven years, they're under 500 on the road. They've never beaten Seattle on the road. They remind me the Utah Jazz. They have a certain style.

It plays well at home, not on the road. It's a real stat. Okay. Sunday, a big divisional battle. The Colts face the Titans, and it seems like the Colts have to be happy about that because Andrew Luck has never lost a game to the Tennessee Titans. Nine and O. Does this mean the Colts are a lock to beat the Titans? That's a bull stat.

Doesn't mean anything. Listen, the Titans' defense is different this year. The Titans have a new offensive coordinator and a new head. head coach. Tennessee still some limitations over the top. The difference in this game is really the offensive line for Andrew Luck and the Colt is the best he's ever had. But this is one of these where I don't care about previous. This Colts team has something they haven't had in seven years, a real offensive line. And this Tennessee team has something they haven't had before, which is a clever new age offensive coordinator.

Bull stat, I think, as much as I love Indy, I kind of like Tennessee this week. Okay. The Cowboys face the Falcons on Sunday. A lot of quarterbacks have been lighting it up against Atlanta, but DAC isn't one of them. DAC is the only active quarterback with zero passes, a touchdown passes versus the NFC South. He's played three games against the division.

So does this mean that DAC will struggle against the Falcons? That is an absolute bull stat. Yeah, Atlanta's defense is their secondary, and it's due to injuries. They lost both safeties. The falcons secondary is awful. Let me give you a list of quarterbacks who have lit the Falcons up this year. Eli, James Winston, Andy Dalton, and Baker Mayfield. I don't know what to make of the Falcons.

Well, I know what to make of them. Really a lot of points, and it's the worst defense in the NFL. That's the worst defense in the NFL. All right. Finally, the Vikings and the Bears. Sunday night, first place is on the line. The NFC North is the Vikings. face the Bears. The game will be in primetime,

which could be bad news for Kirk Cousins because Kirk Cousins has the lowest win percentage in primetime among active quarterbacks with at least seven games. So, does this mean the Vikings are doomed against the Bears Sunday night? Well, first of all, it's a real stat. The Bears are

number one in point differential, and because of Matt Nagy, Mitch Trubisky, is 10th in pass-a-rating, and Kirk Cousins is 9th. They're right next to each other, even though I think Cousins is the better player. I tend to think Minnesota's got the better roster and more explosive offense. So I take Minnesota in this game.

But here's a real stat. Andy Dalton and Kirk Cousins in primetime games against really good teams don't play as well. Certain guys shrink under the spotlight and certain guys do not. You know, Russell Wilson often plays really good in TV games. Big Ben tends to play really well in TV games. Tom Brady plays well in big TV games. And Alex Smith does not. And the Kirk Cousins does not.

So that is a real stat. I want to thank Rob Parker, Albert Breer. Logan Ryan, how good was he today? Logan Ryan came on the show for the Tennessee Titans, a very easy guy to root for. Thank you so much for watching us. Tomorrow is Wednesday. So we'll be here as usual talking some college football.

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