The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Washington, Cam Newton, Lakers, NBA bubble

Episode Date: July 3, 2020

Filling in for Colin, Doug Gottlieb discusses his thoughts on the Washington Redskins possibly changing their name, Cam Newton wanting respect over money, and why the Lakers don't have an extra advantage over teams playing in the bubble. Guests include Antonio Daniels, and John Middlekauff. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What to talk about today. We actually have a great show for you. My man John Middokoff will join us in an hour. Actually, in one hour, Anthony Davis is doing that thing that we all do in preparing for the NBA playoffs or for a big game. he is saying what applies for him only applies for him and not realizing that it actually applies for the entire league.

So Anthony Davis is right and he's completely wrong. That upcoming in one hour. Plus John Middokoff 3 and Out podcast. Antonio Daniels will join us in 25 minutes. We'll get his thoughts on the NBA bubble and on the Pelicans, the new look Zion, and what we can expect in those eight games. But let me start with what I thought we would begin with. Like I actually, on my show, my producer's a young man named Ryan Music,

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because I knew this story was brewing and I felt like it'd be the one to lead with and sometimes you lock out. So there are continued calls now for the Washington Redskins to change their name. Now, I want to be completely candid and honest where I come from on this perspective and what I think is really, really important. One, I am against the Redskins changing their name. I have a logic behind it. I understand it. I understand why you think you're. You're supposed to be offended by the name.

I respect people who believe they're offended by the name. If they are, in fact, or whatever, I think it's a mistake because we're doing that thing that we always do. But I also am willing to listen. Look, to me, this entire exercise is supposed to be about listening, not necessarily about agreeing. But in listening, we actually have to listen to both sides. right that that's the way this works it's really important but let me get to the what why it's become the story of the day so uh FedEx and a couple other sponsors of course they play at FedEx field which by the way was a dated stadium from like the time it opened up but FedEx which is one of

their biggest sponsors has reportedly asked asked the Redskins to change their name now remember there is a difference between asking and demanding mom could I spend the night at Johnny's that's an ask I'm spending the night of Johnny's it's different that's a demand right in light of this is from the Washington Redskins in light of the recent events around our country and feedback from our community the Washington Redskins are announcing the team will undergo a thorough review of the team's name this review formalizes initial discussions the team has been having with the league in recent weeks Dane Snyder owner of the Washington Redskins stated this process allows the team to take into account not only the proud tradition in history of the franchise, but also the input from the alumni, the organization sponsors, the National Football League, the local community proud to represent it on and off the field. Ron Rivera, head coached the Redskins, said this is an issue of personal importance to me, and I look forward to working closely with Dan Snyder to make sure that we continue the mission of honoring and supporting Native Americans and our military.

We believe this review can and will be conducted with the best interest of all in mind. Now, it's important to point out that Dan Snyder was the put it in caps, we're never changing our name. That's going back to 2013. I believe that unless, and frankly, even if, you change the name to a Native American name, honorary name, it will be a mistake. Simply wiping out any Native American references from professional sports. team does not actually change history. It doesn't. Whether it was your forefathers or mine, and frankly,

it wasn't mine. We had our own issues on the other side of the pond. Right. The people that came here ran the Native Americans off their land. Fought for land which they deemed to be given to them by God. And of course, the Native Americans who were here,

who were called Indians, even though it wasn't India, were chasing their land and their lives and villages were mostly destroyed. And I don't need to go into the ugly sword history of our country and how we treated the people who were here before us. But here's the thing. Okay. The Redskins, and this is really important. Like, this is the problem with what the movements of,

taking down many of these statues. Look, I'm not going to sit here and tell you I know why statues for Confederate soldiers were ever erected. I would like to think that we, at the time, some people took the good of some and said it outweighed the bad of some and decided that that person was worthy of a statue. It's my best guess. What I can tell you is, what I can tell you is,

I've seen name suggestions. I've seen warriors suggested. Are you aware that warriors combined with a Native American mascot was deemed to be offensive for Marquette University in Milwaukee, Wisconsin? You aware of that?

Yeah, warriors, which by my estimation, if you call a people, warriors, that seems to be kind of proud, kind of strong, representative of a culture that wants to fight for what is rightfully theirs. But some deemed it to be offensive. And so the Marquette warriors are now the Marquette Golden Eagles. We have actually been in this process before. Stanford changed their name from the Indians to the Cardinal, Noes, Utah, from the running Indians to the Utes or running Uts. Chief Wahoo is no longer on the hat of the Cleveland Indians.

And again, Native Americans are not actually Indians. Florida State remains the Seminoles. And why? Because they have worked with the Seminole tribe and tried to have the appropriate mix of the history of the Seminole Tribe with their football and sports teams. And by the way, when they stick the spear in the ground before each game, it's one of the coolest things I've ever seen.

right and it's a tip of the cap to the seminal warriors so let's examine the washington redskins why'd the nickname come to be why the nickname come to be well it was actually meant to honor all of the tribes because if you pick out one tribe well then do you get associated with the bad of that tribe or what do you do to their arch rival tribe right like the uh natchit tank and if i misprose pronounce it, I apologize, Indians. There were 300 members. They were in D.C. You could pick them out, but there were other tribes all around. And at the time, remember, this is in the 1920s and 30s, when they moved down from Boston

to D.C. Redskins was not deemed to be an inappropriate or offensive nickname. And in truth, even today, if you call, no one calls anybody a Redskins. You can tell me that it's a slur, but it's not because a slur is a word that's used in common language. This isn't. Or even in uncommon language, it isn't. A redskin, the only use the word redskin has in the English vernacular is to describe the football team, which plays in Washington. Right. And so we can determine that it means whatever we want it to mean.

When you sing a song that says, hail to the Redskins, isn't that honoring the Redskins? and what they represent. When the mascot of the Redskins is of a proud Native American warrior, how is that offensive? So look, do I think that they'll change the nickname? Of course I do. Because that's what we do. Instead of actually saying like, all right, what's the actual meaning?

What's the logic behind it? What was the thinking behind it? Does this do more to honor than it does to be a negative? and a distraction to Native Americans? The answer, I believe, is yes. Of course, there have been polls taken over the years that Native American communities for a long time have actually been drawn to,

and that's their favorite team, no matter where the location of the tribal lands are, that it's a very popular nickname. Now, that nickname has changed, the percentages have changed in terms of level of importance, and people have wanted to change the name, more so on tribal lands now than before. I think a good portion of it is not just our evolution in thinking,

but also that the Redskins haven't been good, right? Like, not only could you deem it to be a little bit offensive, but you're like, and they suck, and nobody likes Dan Snyder, so, yeah, change the nickname. But if you truly honor a culture, like, I, I, it doesn't allow. eliminate the negative history with our country towards Native Americans, you're going to pick a nickname which is going to essentially wipe any sort of Native American imagery from the National Football League. There already are no Native, I'm not aware of any players of true Native American

or 100% or even 50% Native American descent playing in the National Football League. like remember you're wiping the good history as well as the bad history just for the sake of protecting people from what's deemed to be hate speech which is not actually hate speech no one calls another person a red skin it's not even a term that's used it's just not and yes language does evolve over time and words that were not previously offensive are offensive now go back and watch movies from the 80s. You're like, man, that language would never survive today because we're supposed to be evolving instead. Sometimes we're becoming more hesitant and more cautious of how we

possibly could offend. Look, I'm Jewish, okay? I'm willing to understand that if somebody wanted to, if somebody was to have a team named the Jews, okay? Not sure how that would go over? But why would it be a negative, okay, if the mascot was representative of strong, virile, protective of people, and a proud culture, right? The term Redskin means whatever you wanted to mean, or means whatever the team creates the meaning around it, based upon their imagery. So I sit here today, willing to listen and understanding that these are the times, and when the sponsors pull the money, that's when things change.

It's not will it happen? It probably does. It's, is it actually the right move? Does it actually, does what happens honor in any way Native American culture? And the likelihood is now. And think about it. whatever you think of Utah being the Indians are running Indians. Now, no one knows that Utah was the Indians are running in.

There's no Native American link to their history of the land at all on that campus. The same at Stanford. The same at Marquette. And when we wipe history, we wipe good as well as bad. And without actually looking and investigating, which I believe is actually what the Redskins are doing by having a review process. is having people come in and explain, look, I understand how it looks and may feel to some people,

like this is some derogatory term, but the truth is that instead of picking out one individual tribe, you put them all together, and this was the word that they chose at the time. It wasn't offensive then. It's not really offensive now, unless you want Redskin to mean something demeaning of Native Americans. You could have it mean that way,

but on the surface, it doesn't. and everything done around it is meant to honor the tradition and heritage of Native Americans. And if you eliminate it, you wipe the good heritage and history and proud tradition and hail to the Redskins from our memory. Give me your thoughts. Add Gottlieb shows the Twitter handle.

87799 on Fox is the phone number. we are in curious, curious times. But it's something that people have called for for years, and it does beer on the brink of being changed. I guess the only difference is Dan Snyder has fought this fight before, and one, is this a fight he's willing to go to the mattresses with if he loses the support of Roger Goodell and sponsors? That I don't know.

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Thanks so much for welcoming us in on a Friday. Colin back on Monday. Quick thought here on the Washington Redskins name controversy, right? Washington is named after George Washington. George Washington's family came over from England and became huge landowners. And of course, who did they chase off the land, but Native Americans? And then, of course, George Washington had, I think, 83 slaves.

Like, when does it end? We are at a different point in history. And I understand that in this case, you have a word which people can deem to be a slur an offensive. But we have to be very cautious of when it ends and we eliminate all history. We only look at the bad in people and things that they did. We're looking at yesterday through a lens of today.

And that's not fair. That's not right. That's not how it's supposed to be done, in my opinion. It doesn't mean that we want to immortalize people that were evil human beings. I'm agreeing there. But there has to be a reasonable sense of taking a breath and understanding the history of the moment and the time. Let's get to Rye Music with the news.

This is the herd line news. Good morning, Doug. As we prepare for a NFL season at some point in 2020, each NFL team is slowly announcing their plans on fans in the stadium, not in the stadium. The Packers today released some information regarding their season ticket holders. They said, quote, at this time, the team is preparing to have fans in attendance.

With new policies and safety measures to allow for appropriate social distancing, which will require the stadium seating capacity to be significantly reduced, base coverings will also be required. Look, no one knows, right? No one knows. And I do think it's important that there's a, there's a, you have to have plans for, what happens if we can't have fans, what happens if we have limited fans, what happens if we can have all fans,

you know, do we provide something to where, all right, you can come in the stadium, but you have to sign a waiver for your risk, knowing, depending on your age and your health. I think it's really important, though, that at this point, there isn't any data that tells you that unless you have an underlying health issue, collegiate and professional athletes are at any sort of substantial risk, right? And you can say, like, well, there is a risk. Okay. There also is a substantial risk when you're playing a sport, especially one of the same. violence football that you're willing to sacrifice yourself, put yourself in harm's way for. And you know that risk going in, which is you know the risk going in as well.

I think this is the only way to prepare for a season is go as if we're going to play and figure out the three pronged. What happens is no fans? What happens are limited fans? What happens if there's full fans? Can you still protect people? And, you know, I don't think it's crazy to think, though, that this is a portion of our economy that is so important that it begins.

becomes deemed as an essential business. And you might think that that's crazy. But like, okay, is takeout at restaurants really an essential business? The answer is no. It's not. Like if grocery stores are open, they are essential. Nursing care facilities and hospitals, those are essential. But we've deemed lots of things.

The number of businesses, people that simply have to work, and how much sports affects the rest of the business world is profound if you really dig into it. And I think that's a big reason. Yes, is money ultimately the motivator? Of course it is. But it's not just money for the owners and for the players. It's money for lots of people that are involved. It's going to be interesting because a lot of these teams are talking about fans in the stands

and they're all outdoor stadiums, which given what we may limitedly know about COVID, it could be something where it's possible. I wonder how it may be different for teams that play inside a dome, if that makes any much of a difference. Obviously, a very large, massive dome, so it might not. But. I mean, like, look, I think the best thing to do is to be safe and be vigilant here over the next couple of weeks, right? Right. Like, just wear a mask.

It's not that big a deal. Like, is it really that big a deal? Right? Like, wear a mask, social distance, stay with kind of your tribe, your people that you know that you've been with. and like let's see where this thing goes. We probably open things up a bit too early, which we were warned about. The numbers are skewing poorly.

The hospitals are not yet overrun, but they're at capacity. Like, let's just be smart. And then we can get our sports back. If we're willing to sacrifice a week or two or three more wearing a mask or even an entire fall wearing a mask, is it worth it for life to get back to more normal? I think everyone's answer is yes.

Sorry if you're uncomfortable. Well, the whole thing that got, the sports world turned on to the COVID crisis was Donovan Mitchell, Rudy Gobert, and the Utah Jazz. Some people were questioning how their relationship was going to be. Donovan Mitchell addressed the situation yesterday saying, right now we're good. We're out there, ready to hoop. So according to Donovan Mitchell, water under the bridge between him and Rudy Gober.

He did not say water. He actually did not say that. He did not say. He said, right now we're good. Right now is an interesting, right now we're good. Yeah, right now we're good. You're going to pass me the ball? You pass me the ball?

There's lots of stories out there about whether or not Donna Mitchell ultimately stays there. You know, there's the thought that, you know, being from Connecticut, does he want to get to the New York Knicks or whatever? I can only tell you this. We actually don't know if Rudy Gobert gave it to him, right? We don't, we don't know. Like, Rudy Gobert was like many of us, like thought it was all silly that that thought it was all silly. Like, did he act inappropriately? Of course.

But do you think he had any idea that he had it or that he would give it to a teammate? Of course not. I think the big mistake for Gobert was Mitchell had an interview with Good Morning America very early on when he was when he was going through it. And I think he was asymptomatic. I think only Gober had the symptoms in which he said they hadn't spoken, right? That's a mistake. If you make a mistake, like you can't apologize enough. And whether it's face to face-to-face or face-timing,

that bridge should have been built a long, long time ago. And it's not like they haven't had time to talk it out, to hash it out. But my guess is that at some point, Don Mitchell's got to be like, yeah, if I was in that position, you know, you know a guy, every team has a smart ass on it. And apparently the jazz are no different. Last one here, Doug. And I'm going to sneak this in here because it hits near and dear to us.

Mike Trout of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim said today he is very concerned about the coronavirus considering that his wife is pregnant he's not 100% certain he will play the entire season that would be very unfortunate as an Angels fan and for I'm sure most baseball fans in general I guess I just mean I think he's taking the cautious

I would be stunned if Mike Trout didn't play the whole baseball season I know it's different when your wife is pregnant and you don't want to bring that home. And these are the specific instances where you are, where you are cautious. But considering he's basically the face of baseball and he has the biggest contract in the history of the sport, I'm kind of, I want to tell Mike, and we live in the same area, not the same area area. Like he's in a nicer area. But it's like, hey, dude, I hate to do that. be this guy, but there are sacrifices

that are made. And if staying away from your wife, like, staying away from your wife is what you have to do to play the season, that's not a crazy thing. And that's the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. Yeah, like, I just,

I don't think it's, I don't think it's crazy to think that everybody has kind of the same approach. Baseball, by the way, because it's already been played in Korea, and because for the most part, you can maintain most social distancing. Like, no one else is going to touch his bat.

And when he catches a ball in center field, they can be thrown out. Like, it does feel like baseball being played outdoors in the summer is the safest of all the sports. And we've already seen it been executed in Korea for the last two months. I mean, I understand basketball is a contact sport. You're sweating all over each other. You bump it into each other. It's different. like to me, the baseball guys have the weakest of the arguments.

Not just because of the sport itself, but because the sport has been executed in a foreign country and been able to stay, I believe, COVID-free. Let's welcome in Antonio Daniels, a friend of the show here in the herd. I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin. He's an NBA champion. He's an analyst for the New Orleans Pelicans. Antonio, first thing is we saw the picture,

of Zion yesterday, it feels like he's used this time to get himself in remarkable shape. Has that time been in a gym or just in a wait room? His interview yesterday, he let it be known that he stayed in the gym. Him and his stepfather had an opportunity to work out almost daily. And they had access to a gym. And plus, he was one of the guys that, early on, you know, because of the injury, because of the injury history, he had access to rehab some of the things that were going on. And here's the thing. Here's the thing, Doug.

When you're speaking of these athletes that look a little different after the quarantine, obviously they have access, have had access to more. They hear the talk. You know, they hear what people are saying about them. Like, I'm interested to see how Joelle and B look. when he returns from this quarantine. You saw how Nicola Yokic looked in the amount of weight that he has lost. So guys have to talk and some have used this opportunity to get themselves in the best shape that they possibly can enter in this second season. Can you, as a former player and as a parent and a husband, would there be any doubt in your mind

as whether or not you would go play if you were still playing in the NBA? I think a lot would have to depend on my family situation at home. Like, the thing is, if I'm a teammate of a guy that says that he's not going, whether it's family-oriented or financial, I understand. I completely understand that. Like, I don't grasp the concept of people getting upset at guys for them choosing not to go play now after a four-month hiatus. I don't feel like I can answer that question, Doug,

because I'm not in that situation. And so many things change when you're actually engulfed in that situation. I can sit here on the outside looking in and say, well, you know what, man, if I was me, if it was me, what I would do is I would, I'm not sure. Yeah, but you're a former player. Like you can speak to this. And you're a black man.

And so your experience in this country is different than my experience. Like I, so I hear Avery Bradley, and I'm one of those guys. Like, I didn't play in the NBA, but I'm a former, you know, professional basketball player, but I can't relate to what he's feeling about the need for social justice, for justice reform and for police reform. I can't, I have my own feelings, but they're not of somebody who's black. And while I'm, and I am a parent, I do have one of. of my kids who's older than his oldest that has, that she has asthma.

She has some lung issues that would cause me to be cautious. But I can absolutely tell you, like, I can't imagine, like, you're LeBron James, okay? And you get all these guys on your team and whether or not Rob Polinka acquired them or did the deal and you had anything to do with it. That's LeBron's team. And you're trending to be the best team in the NBA. You get three months at home with your kids and your family and nobody else. And now we've got a shot to win a championship.

And you're like, you know, I don't know. My family thing, as far as being sick, when they're going to have all the medical services you could ever possibly want if your kids choose to join you in quarantine. And as far as social justice form, like, I understand it. You're allowed to do that. But you also committed to trying to win a championship with team LeBron. I actually do believe that players can be ticked, can have their own opinion of it.

So, again, let me re-ask it. right now, your current situation, would you go play? Probably would go play now. I probably would go play right now. As long as I have the blessing of my wife, if I had the blessing of my wife, then I probably would go play right now, just speaking from the outside looking in. But again, if there's one of my teammates that is choosing to not go play, I would not hold that against them.

And I completely understand where guys are coming from. I completely understand where Avery Bradley's coming from, even though Avery Bradley is not just about social reform. His is also about the health of his son. I understand where every Bradley's coming from. I understand where Kyrie Irving's coming from. I understand where Dwight Howard's coming from. Again, Dwight Howard has something to do with his son as well. And the fact that he lost his mother, his six-year-old son, lost his mother to COVID.

So I completely grasp the concept because here's the thing, Doug, we all want to get. back to life's wards. And you know what's interesting is you hear fans continually say on one hand. You know what? They can do both. They can do both. They can still fight for social reform and racism and prejudice and social injustice and all these things. They can do both of them. But then when now you see that the NBA is doing things like thinking about putting on the floor Black Lives Matter or giving players the option of putting something different on the back of their jersey and people are upset at that. So it's almost like on one hand, what people are saying is, you know what, they can do both if they can go in and they have a bigger platform to fight for

social injustice and all these other kind of issues, the Black Lives Matter movement, all these different things that are going on. And then when players choose to do it, they get upset when guys choose to do it. This is why I wasn't mad at Kyrie Irving for thought process. The thought process of saying, you know what, this is can easily lose momentum with live sports because what fans will tell you all the time is sports is there escape from reality. Now think about what that means in the climate of today's social issues. Escape from reality means whatever's going on in reality, I don't really want to deal with it. So what happens is The NBA, Major League Baseball, the NFL, hockey, it takes me away from that.

And that's what players are fearing. They don't want what they're doing on that floor to take away from the momentum that is being built in this country as far as social reform is concerned. And I have no issue with that whatsoever. Yeah, but it's one, you're going to have, you would have a platform. You still have. But the thing is, we don't know what that platform is going to look like. Yes, you do. You have TNT and you have ESP.

You have TNT, ESPN, you still have the same ability to conduct all the same interviews you want from your hotel room. You absolutely do. That's not true. Have any, have any of us, have any of us ever dealt with COVID-19? Have any of us, do any of us know what the bubble is going to look like as far as media accessibility is concerned? None of us know. We're assuming that it's going to look like what the old MBA looks like. We have no idea.

We are in uncharted water. So for you to say, or for me to say, or for anyone else out there to say that we know what it's going to look like as far as media accessibility is concerned, we don't know that. Yes, yes, you do, because media accessibility now is as simple as your phone, man. I mean, you just do a Zoom interview on your phone. Is that the same? Is that the same as what Jamon Brown did or what Malcolm Broadden did? In terms of marching and support? In terms of actively participating.

That's not the same thing. Those those. Yeah, but listen, but listen, but those marches can still exist. Then you can also make money and support the resources. And when the seasons, as the season goes on, now you have national TV on every game, before and after every game. You still have the same ability to at least virtually be there. Okay. and and then when the season's over,

if you want to dedicate all of your time and your resources to it, of course you can't. It also is your, like to me, here's the other thing. Like all of these men, their platform was earned based upon their talents, right? This is this, but this is also their job. And forget, you can say, well, you're supporting the owners or the TV companies, whatever, but you're also supporting your sport. That sport has helped make you who you are.

Like, I don't know why it's a bad thing. Not going anywhere. and that's the sport's not going anywhere. You're right, but if they don't play, it's not going in the right direction. I don't play for this time that is coming back right here. I completely understand it. That's what I'm saying. So it's not like we're talking about the beginning of the season.

We're talking about after a four-month hiatus. So basically what we're saying is if someone wants to sit out for social justice, for social injustice and for social reform of the direction of this. country that that's not okay but if a guy wants to sit out for financial gain a i.e. Davis Bertons or some of these other guys that is okay? No, I don't think I think Bertons making he's making a mistake. If you haven't been healthy, you should go play to show that you can stay healthy. Totally under that that's my belief on it, right?

I take each. Go ahead. Okay, I'll tell you my belief as as a former teammate. My belief as a former teammate is with all due respect, especially with a situation like this. And this is why I said it's difficult to answer as far as what I go play or not, because I've never been in this situation before. None of us have ever, we're in uncharted water when we're talking about COVID-19 and there's effect on this world and effect on the sports world. But if I am teammates with Davids Bertan, if I'm teammates with Dwight Howard,

if I'm teammates with Avery Bradley, if I'm teammates with Trevor Areza and some of these other guys that have chosen not to play, I understand. I completely understand because it's not about me and my legacy. You as a professional athlete, eventually it comes to a point where you have to do what you feel is best for you and your family. That's what this is all about. It's about longevity. It's not about, okay, well, I need to do this because this is what's best for them. Then when something goes wrong, that them is not concerned with you anymore.

Last thing, what team do you think benefits the most? from the time off. It's tough because I don't think any team really benefit. You know, because we would be naive to think that any team that was playing well in March 10th, March 11th, prior to the postponing of the season, that they're going to pick up right where they left off. This is not all-star weekend. This is not all-star break.

This is a four-month hiatus. And if I was, if I had to say a team, if I had to say an individual, my, my thought would go towards a LeBron. My thought would go towards a Kauai Leonard. These are guys that have been there before. These are guys that are battle tested. And there hasn't been any situation on a basketball floor that these guys haven't endured.

Eastern Conference Finals on the road, Western Conference Finals on the road, Eastern Conference Finals at home. So they have the mental capacity and ability to get their cells through some of this because they've been through it before as far as on the floor. It's going to be weird because there's going to be no fans. There's not going to be home court. All of these things that we're accustomed to dealing and seeing, it's going to be different. But I would give the advantage to somebody like LeBron James, who's mentally been through it all, who's physically been through it all.

And someone like Coch Leonard, who's physically and mentally been through it all. These guys are battle tested and experience, so nothing would be a surprise to them. All right, man. That's great. Listen, safe travels to the bubble. Are you going to the bubble, right? No, no, no, no. Not going to the bubble.

So do you get to call the games from remote? Like, how does it work with the Pelicans? We're still in the process of discussing all of that. All right. Antonio Daniels. The ultimate spirit of uncertainty. All right. Antonio Daniels, a tremendous analyst and dude, NBA champion.

Tone, thanks so much for joining us, man. Stay safe. For sure. You too, brother. Cam Newton is saying all the right things, but not sure he's learned a lot. I'll explain next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m.

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money did equate to respect, right? And he signed a deal that has a $550,000 minimum. And look, if it's the betting on yourself, and it wouldn't have happened if he didn't, one, think he could beat out Jared Stiddem and Brian Hoyer, right? If he didn't think that the Belichick, Josh McDaniel, seal of approval was important,

he wouldn't have done it and he wouldn't have taken less because of it. But I do wonder, if he's been humbled, right? If he understands how close he still is and really was to the league starting without him in it. Like, that's a really hard one. Because we all act like being humbled is somehow a bad thing. Like at some point in time in our lives,

we all need to be humbled. It's happened to me. You know, it happened to Colin. Happens to everybody. And you just take back, you look like, you know what? I was, I kind of lost who I was a little bit there. Need to figure it back out. What do I want to be? How do I want to be remembered?

Does Cam Newton want to be the one hit wonder? I wanted an MVP. I went to one Super Bowl. And then Carolina didn't want anything to do with me. You know, my former head coach took on the Redskins didn't want me, traded for my backup. The Buffalo Bills, who Sean McDermott was the defense coordinator when they went to the Super Bowl. Brandon Bean was, was the GM was there as well. He didn't want me. you know so like we we when I say the word humble you're like

why does he need to be humble well because that's a big portion of it learn to play for the team learn to figure out how you fit in it's not about the money it's about respect I was I guess I was I'm wrong I always thought an athlete's always said it wasn't the actual dollar amount

wasn't important it was the respect that's why I want to be the highest paid guy that's why wanted the guaranteed contract because you respect me. I'm not sure he's really evolved in this process. Really not. All right. Coming up next, Anthony Davis believes that the Lakers are back and better than ever.

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So Middukoff will join us in 15 minutes. We've got a lot to get to. Take you to D.C. next hour where the Washington Redskins are going to review, again, their nickname and maybe change it from the Redskins. Let me start with this, though. Anthony Davis said this about the Lakers and their chances to win an NBA title in Orlando. Quote, obviously, we're missing a key piece in AB, AB, not Antonio Brown. No, he does not. I'm sure he wants to play for the Lakers. He wants to play for everybody. Now the Seahogs.

No, no, no, that's, it's Avery Bradley. Remember Avery Bradley opted out, staying home, not going. Obviously, we're missing a K-piece in A-B, but I think our chances are the same. Our chances are higher just because we're all rested. We're all ready to go. If anything, our chances got higher, and it's going to be about who wants it more. everybody kind of had a decompression of the season. Obviously with the stuff going on, it's about what team wants it more and which team can stay healthy. God, I hate the which team wants it more thing, right? Because if it is which team wants it more, Avery Bradley's not there.

That kind of indicts it. But this is what we do this as fans. We do this as analysts. And now Anthony Davis is doing this as a player, which is we only look at it, and we do this as human beings, right? We only look at it from our perspective. Anthony Davis is like, man, because I think what he's saying is LeBron's rested. Rested LeBron, great.

Rested, healthy Anthony Davis, great. We're rested, great. Pst, Anthony, you know the Clippers got rested too. Right? We do this before me. Like, if you give Nick Sabin two weeks to prepare. for a big game, what if the other guy gets two weeks from prepare? Like, he's the, like, the other guy's like, you know, we were going to get ready for this game,

but Nick Saban's got two weeks, so we got no shot. Like, that's not actually the way it works. Now, there are times in which, and Collins pointed this out, Nick Sabin's schedule at Alabama, they have a week off before they play LSU or a week off, and the other team sometimes does not have the week off, and it's an unfair level of preparation. Got it. In this case, everybody got the same time off. And unless Lou Williams chooses to opt out, which I don't say the way of it.

But unless Lou Williams opts out, they aren't better. You can't definitively tell me what. Look, all you have to look at is Avery Bradley was struggling to shoot the ball during his time with the Lakers. During the month of February, he shot at a 48% clip from three. Far and away his best month as a Laker. statistically he played his best basketball. Do you know what else happened in the month of February? Wait for it.

The Lakers played their best basketball. So the guy whose success directly core, like LeBron was having a great year from the start of the year till the end of the year, the end of whatever you want to call it in February, in March. LeBron was playing great. Yeah, his free throws went up and down or whatever. He had some fatigue.

I'm not disputing that LeBron healthy rest of the Brom. But the guy that most court, because if you remember, they wanted Darren Collison, who's like, nah, stay retired. And then they even reached out to Darren Collison. And then he sat next to Jeannie Bus at a game. You're like, these kids, he's coming. The Clippers wanted him and the Lakers won him. He's from L.A.

Play to UCLA. He's solid. He led the league in three point percentage. You can stay away from the basketball. He can really defend. And like, man, Darren Collison loved Derry. He's going to be a Laker. Why do they want Darren Cawson?

because Avery Bradley wasn't playing like he was good enough. And I was the first one to tell you that Alex Caruso was a game changer for the Lakers. This is going back to the start of the season when he didn't, Caruso didn't take off the sweats in their first game, the first night in the season. And it was a mistake. It was a mistake. But you can't tell me that going from Avery Bradley to some mix of Rondo Caruso and J.R. Smith in his stead to take up his minutes, makes the team better.

It doesn't. But the bigger thing is, you are rested. You are healthy. You are, Anthony Davis is not wrong. But so are the clippers. And I could make the case that considering LeBron was healthy before the stoppage,

and Kauai, his health has been in question for the last couple of years, it benefits Kauai more. It also Paul George, like, look, he had dual shoulder surgeries, and he was starting to come into his own. And oh, yeah, by the way, the Clippers, what had they lacked? Like, the big question about the Clippers was health. They should be healthier. And cohesion.

They're going to get an additional training camp and eight games. And they're all hanging out together instead of being in L.A. when you got 12 players and 12 cabs, right? So I'm not saying that what Anthony Davis is saying is wrong. Who wants some more, I guess. Who stays healthy is incredibly important. Somebody's going to go down and we'll blame the coronavirus and we'll blame the shutdown and quarantine on the injury.

No matter what, no matter what injury it is, it will be blamed on that. I can mark that down, mark my words. It may be to blame or it may just be a guy got hurt. It's possible. But the idea that your chances are better because you're rested when everybody else is rested doesn't actually feel like it fits with the truth because it's looked at from a myopic perspective

in which only our team matters and only what happens us matters. Do I think the Lakers are favorites? Yeah, you got LeBron. And though it's not a perfect team, they were playing tremendous defense. They had good cohesion. Anthony Davis, LeBron fed,

Anthony Davis's ego. and tried to build him up because he knows he's going to need Anthony Davis even now to carry the team on some nights when he's just not going to have it. Like, I do wonder that even though he's healthy, and if you saw the pictures that LeBron James and Lakers put out there on social media yesterday, like he always looks like he's in good shape, but dude looks, he looks amazing. Keep in mind that while they're all healthy, they've all been working out. Like one of the worst kept secrets or the biggest lies. Now, there have been players. Jason Tatum said he didn't touch a basketball. I don't believe that.

I don't believe it for a second. I don't believe for any one second. Jason Tatum like, well, I'm just not going to touch a basketball for three months. Like, come on, man. Somebody else said that. Did you guys see this story earlier today? Yeah, a story earlier today where the Chris Miller, Middleton said, this is the longest he's gone without touching a basketball. Like, really?

I can't imagine anybody really doing that. Like, you don't live with your mom. You can dribble the basketball in your house. I didn't touch a ball. I don't think that's actually true. And not touching a ball doesn't mean you're not in phenomenal shape. But who touched a ball, who worked out, who got, who made their game better? Like, that's my big thing with Zion. Zion clearly has been working out. Did he work in his jump shot? Because this is, They've essentially had an entire offseason in terms of length of time to either improve your game or to not work on your game. And you can give me the, hey, first couple weeks I was in lockdown, couldn't leave the apartment. I believe you, especially if you're in a big city.

But after that, guys were figuring out a way to get into a gym, to get some shots up to start get back to working. Basketball players play basketball. That is what they do. It's the old LeBron James. Keep the main thing, the main thing. So I understand what Anthony Davis is saying. I do think you could just tinker with words. Like I think we were the best team before.

And my only question was, would we be healthy? Would be rested? Would LeBron? I mean, really, let's be honest. It's about LeBron. Would LeBron run out of gas? We have a little bit older team. Some of these guys, we have an injury.

Would LeBron be able to sustain it? And now he's gotten a full off season of rest. And if you've seen pictures, he's an amazing physical condition. But he's not the only one. that same break that you got, that chance to catch your breath, that chance to get your body right, everybody's got that.

The question becomes who's taken most advantage of it? And if the Lakers don't have Avery Bradley and the Clippers have Lou Williams and they were that close in terms of neck and neck, and you added J.R. Smith, who you could have added anyway, and probably would have added anyway. If they don't have Dwight Howard,

which is still a possibility, I don't see how anybody would, honestly say the Lakers are the favorites, simply because they had rest when the clippers benefit equally, if not more so, from the same amount of rest. One of the two infuriating things that sports, basketball, football, analysts both say he hit both of them. One, whoever wants it more is going to win.

Come on. Like, do you think when LeBron lost to the Mavericks, he didn't want it more? Do you think the Warriors didn't want it more? Now, injuries, that's a smart point, because somebody is going to end up being dinged and lose a guy, and that will change this thing dramatically. The other part is the only looking at, hey, we got time off, we're going to be better. Everybody got time off. Everybody got rested. Everybody got a chance to regroup.

I'm Doug Gottliebilling in for Colin Cowher. John Middukov joins the show next. Is Cam Newton going to make the squad? Will he be the starting quarterback? Are the Patriots back atop the AFC East? All legitimate questions. We'll ask Middough next in the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd

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I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah.

For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Keer Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking. Trip Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we don't realize that we,

are in possession of the thing, and we're still chasing it, and we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth, or are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person.

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Redskins are going to review their nickname. Like, maybe I'm the only guy. I just think, I actually don't think the Redskins is like some sort of offensive word, because it's not actually used in the English language. And the logic behind it being the nickname, even going way back when, is just the pool all of that instead of, you know, one name for one tribe,

it's like all the tribes just kind of represent the Native American warrior history, et cetera. What are your thoughts on the Redskins nickname as a whole? Yeah, I'm with you. I've never really thought about it that much. It doesn't bother me. You know, I've read studies. that it doesn't even bother a lot of Native American people,

but we know when the snowball starts, and let's be honest, the cancel mob has no power unless money gets involved. And the moment money starts getting pulled, that's the only way to change anything. So I never thought they were going to change it just because he was pretty adamant that he wasn't going to do it, but it sure feels like the avalanche of the people with the cash

are kind of coming after him, and he doesn't have a choice. One thing I've been thinking, And I just saw Florio tweeted out that it could happen by the start of the season. Changing the name would not be easy. You know, I'm not saying. Listen, listen, all due respect, Florio is so woke that like, you know, every. Well, 100%. It's not possible to do before the 2020 season if you think about it, right?

No. Like, how would that be feasible? I think there has to be some realistic expectations to this. You also have to pick a name, which anyone that knows that's tried to start a brand or a business like it's pretty difficult you know for every Nike and Apple there are a lot of ones that failed right just because the name doesn't work and it's I it's going to be pretty difficult but but it sure feels like it's going to happen yeah I guess I think part of the review product people think that it's a phony review I think the review process kind of works out to where you call because FedEx didn't demand

they asked that there's a big difference there right they didn't say hey we're going to pull our money if you didn't if you don't change this thing although some Some are reporting that people have said they'll pull their money. We'll see. You have a legit conversation. Go like, are you really going to pull your money over this thing? And if they say yes, then it probably gets changed. If they don't, then it probably doesn't.

But I'm with you. You know a lot of this stuff, too, is just for public window dressing. Everyone's getting all this credit for Yanking out of Facebook. We're in the middle of a pandemic and a recession. A lot of people are cutting advertising budgets. It's an easy get credit for look when you would have paid. pulled the money no matter what. Correct. So I think it's one of those like you're alluding to. When FedEx or Nike or whoever starts to stop cutting the checks, then wake me up. Because

right now, tweeting something out, we don't agree, as we know, I don't understand why people on social media don't see this every single time stuff like this happens. It doesn't mean anything. A tweet doesn't mean anything unless you pull actual cash. That's the only way to impact anything. Well, I also, I think that part of this, which is really interesting to me, is, you know, you get calls, it's like the calls for justice. What does justice actually look like, right? Justice is you go in a courtroom and whether it's, you know, 12 people on a jury or, you know, usually 12 people on jury or maybe just a judge, you hear both sides, you see the evidence, you make the closing argument, and then they decide what was right, what was right, what was. wrong was somebody violated in a civil suit or

in a criminal suit, right? Like that's, and whatever the ruling is, that's justice. That's what justice looks like. Justice does not look like, well, I think that this was wrong and so we're going to make it happen on our own. That's not actually justice, or that's vigilante justice, which is what no one

actually should want. And it's the same thing with a review process. Like, could you change the name? Sure. But the idea of a review process is like, all right, let's take whatever new information we have and let's take our old information and let's hash it out. Let's talk with the commissioner. Let's talk with our sponsors.

Let's talk with our players. Let's talk with representatives from the Native American community. And let's figure it out. That's what that's what's supposed to look like. The idea of knee jerk, oh, you don't like this? Oh, well, fine. We'll just change it. That's not actually the way it's supposed to work.

I think the one thing we're learning and we learn it more and more every day. And we've seen it now with social media for years. You can't make everybody happy. And I'm not talking about, like, there's a difference between right and wrong. I'm not talking about. Here's the perfect example. Perfect example. One of the names that I've heard suggested by a lot of people that I really like are warriors, right?

You could do warriors. You could have it be a tip of the cap to a Native American warriors, right? That sounds strong. That sounds powerful. Do you know that Marquette University changed their nickname from Warriors because somebody deemed it to be offensive to Native Americans? Like, you can't. You didn't know. Ten years ago, it wasn't long ago.

They were the... What are they called that? Golden basketball team. Golden Eagles. Golden Eagles. So, like, didn't Doc Rivers play there? Played for the Warriors. He played for the Warriors.

What did, Duane Wade, Marquette Warriors? I think that was Golden Eagles. Might have been right at the cusp. I think it was right at the cusp. So it was maybe more than 10 years ago, 15 years ago, whatever. That's what I get back to. 994. My bad.

94. 94. So almost 25 years. And people, here's the other thing. People still don't know, right? People still don't know. And I just, I'm fascinated by the whole thing. John Middokov joins us three. Now it's the pod. Let's get to some football stuff. Cam Newton signs with the Patriots. I loved, and for people, you should follow Middilkoff on Twitter. He has these Twitter shows. And I love, I'm going to steal your line and use it to set you up. You said, this is, thank God, it's the most normal story. We, we we've had since quarantine. But what was your, what was your reaction when Cam signs with the Patriots for, like, $550 grand guaranteed? I think it's just the ultimate Belichick move.

You know, he just, he's just the ultimate bargain shopper because he's always so patient. He's never in a rush. Would he have done this deal? Now, he has contract, you know,

salary cap limitations, but he was never going to sign Cam Newton for $12 million, $15 million. And, you know, the reports that they've been talking for months, Belichick would have signed him two months ago if he would have signed for $500,000. And I think Cam realized the more and more that he was never going to get any money or definitely get a chance to start like you would in New England.

And Belichick doesn't make any promises. You still have to come in and earn your stripes. I don't think he understands that Cam is more physically gifted than these other two guys, but you're still going to have to do it. And, you know, it's just perfect on-brand with Bill Belichick. And like you said, it was nice to have a legit polarizing. superstar player, signed with the, you know, the Big Bad Wolf and Belichick after Tom Brady leaves. Like, this would have been a massive story non-Corona.

And I think if it was non-corona, I still think there's a decent chance that this still happens because the influx of the quarterback the last four or five years, young players. The, the, and you and I have talked about this, all the older players, like 10, 20 years ago, Rappersberg had been out of the leak. Like, the elbow injury probably ended his career. Yes. Rivers would have been done. Yes.

Brady, Brady's, you know, almost 50. Dude, breeze. This is crazy. Like, they are holding spots. Even Rogers. You know, he is, I think he's 36. He'll be 37 this season.

Like, that's old. Like, asked Steve Young what he felt like at 37 or Troy Aikman. And I think that the longevity now has kind of skewed the spots. It's not like wide receiver or defensive line. There's only one starting spot, right? Right. And we're going to get to the spot maybe in a couple years. Were there going to be some good players that might have to be a backup for a couple years,

just given that there's only so many seats at the table? Well, we already have that. I mean, look, I don't think Nick Foles is great, but he did win a Super Bowl. He's a backup. Cam Newton. Andy Dalton's a backup. And to let you guys in on a private conversation we had, I've talked about this a little bit on my show. Doug Gottliebent for Colin.

This is the Her John Middokoff 3-Nout podcast. He's a former NFL scout. He knows a ton more about, he's forgotten more about football than I know. But my way of describing it is the longevity we're seeing at the quarterback position is akin to what we saw in baseball during the steroid era. Because previous to the steroid era, when you got to your mid-30s, you were done. You couldn't catch up to the fastball, right? And so there's just like a natural progression of, you know, you're a young player

and you become a star in your 20s and in your 30s, and then you know, you slowly become, you like a pinch hitter if you want to hang around, and then you kind of fade off into the sunset. And there were some outliers, some guys that could play into their late 30s, but generally not stars. Well, because they were on steroids,

you had guys having the best year of their career, Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds and you like, you name it in their late 30s, which, of course, is, you know, they not only stands up to Father Time, but it held back so many people. players and the minors from getting their shot in the bigs. Well, I'm not saying we have steroids in football.

I'm saying it's the longevity, the 35 to now 42 or so window, like, changes the normal progression. I think the rule changes are their steroids. Of course. You can't hit them. Like Brady gets hurt. You couldn't hit him from the knee down. And then you can't hit him in the head. Right.

And they're getting some of these clips like that ended Steve Young's career. I mean, he got killed, you know, by Aeneas Williams. Like those, you never see those type hits on quarterbacks anymore. And in fairness, even defensive linemen, it feels like kind of no. So they're careful around the guy when they get these free shots. And that's these guys used to be, I mean, it's crazy to sound like carted off the field. That's how most of their careers ended. Yes.

Card it off the field, right? Could not walk off the field on their own. The majority of star quarterbacks, we've seen Brett Far of, It wasn't that long ago. Layed their debt, it felt like for the Minnesota Vikings. Remember that second year after you had that career year? Yes. And I can't remember a visual.

Kurt Warner. People forget. Kurt Warner wanted to come back. And his wife, Brenda, was like, are you crazy? Do you remember what happened? The last game you played, you got hit so hard like your helmet was sideways. And as fair as that hit was as vicious of a hit as you'll see probably in the last 20 years. That guy would have been suspended now.

Yeah. I don't even think you were allowed to do that kind of cut. back hit. Remember Warren Sapp did it to the Packer Offensive line. That's that lot. And to me, it's the good, it's the right thing to do because the health of the quarterback. But it's also made a log jam because so many teams

run these spread offenses. This is why stat probably in football, more than any other sport, like obviously the steroid era, it's hard to compare Drew Breese's numbers to like Troy Aikman in 92. No question. It's a completely different game. I think we do it a lot, but it's not fair.

You know who it's hurt? I'll tell. I tell you, I think it's hurt the most. I think it's hurt Brett Favre the most, the whole thing. Because when Brett Farr was playing, I've seen Colin do his top quarterbacks of all time list, right? No one's talked about. But yes, but now it's like Farrv somehow doesn't, like, dude, Brett Farrb was arguably the best quarterback in the game his entire career.

Like even when he went to New York and played for the Jets, people talk about how bad that was. They started, I think, nine and three, and then he tore his bicep on his throwing arm. and he shouldn't have kept the streak a lot. Then he goes to Minnesota and they go to the NFC championship game. He wasn't good in that NFC championship game. But he had an incredible year.

He beat Packers in Green Bay with Aaron Rogers or whatever. Like I feel like that because his window was a much more normal window in terms of, you know, he started out and it was a tough start in Atlanta and traded to Green Bay. And it took him a while to get going. And then he was the best quarterback in the league for a period of time. but because Brady has done it longer, so much longer, Breeze has done it so much longer, Grant also in a dome,

and all these guys will do it longer. It's going to minimize how dominant, how great he was during his, and guys are throwing a lot less interceptions than they, and some of it is the rule changes with wide receivers as well in terms of defensive pass interference and how we look at the quarterback position. But I think Farr probably suffers the most.

Marty Morgingwick told me, and he was part of the staff, like Andy Reid, John Gruden, Marucci, worked for Homegren, said those three years when he went three straight MVPs, and he's been in the NFL for like 30 years, best player he'd ever seen. And, I mean, he literally won three straight MVP, he went to a couple of Super Bowls, won the one. And, but now, think about that, like 95, 96, 97 feels like 50 years ago. Yes. Right. You know, he was basically like Tom Brady 07, you know, some of those Peytonning years, taking the league by storm.

And like we talked about the rules, you could kill the quarterback. then. Like he was an underrated athlete, his arm. I mean, sometimes, like, when a clip goes viral of Brett Farv, like, backpedaling and slinging it, like, you know, 60 yards on a rope. It's just like, this is why we love Mahom. And Farv was the original. It's why all the Farv guys, and it's why Andy ended up with Mahomes when everyone else thought, oh, this guy, reckless gunslinger, Andy saw it. And unless you were around Brett Farv, which, you know, is one of the all-time outliers in the NFL, just the way he played with his success. It's why those guys are drawn to a certain type of player.

And, I mean, it's really why Mahomes, I think, kind of exist. And Coach Reed kind of lets him be him. Yeah. They don't complain that much when he does his weird no-look passes. Just like Holmgren used to want to kill for him. But they realized after a while, you just kind of got to let him, you just got to let him cook, right? You got to let him just let him do him because it's going to work more than it's going to fail.

Yeah. John Mitochoff, our guest here in the herd, Doug Gottlieb, feeling for Colin. Antonio Brown's working out with Russell Wilson. Like, he's so very transparent, right? Like he badly, oh, Tom Brady, maybe new team? I'll work out with him. Oh, Lamar Jackson maybe needs a wide receiver. I'll work out with him.

But I think that outside of Seattle, the other team, that would be smart to maybe sign him, would be the Houston, Texas. Now, stick with me for a second, okay? one, you know, they traded away one of the more talented wide receivers. I don't know if Newk Hopkins is over the hill. I do know that his contract demands are a big reason why he's no longer there. Antonio Brown would have to come in at some sort of minimum level deal.

It would help, it would probably help their offense. It would also help them in the locker room. And I kind of think, honestly, like all. of their players, like the big issue with whether it's Will Fuller or whether it's Brandon Cooks or even David Johnson. All these acquisitions, they all are injury risks. Antonio Brown is a risk, but you take him because he's a talent, much like most of the other players in their team, would Houston make sense for Antonio Brown? Yeah, I think from a schematic standpoint, he's, you know, they're depending on a lot of guys who get hurt a lot. You know, just I pulled up Bill O'Brien's

resume. He was part, you know, he became the offensive coordinator a little later, but he was an assistant coach, offensive assistant wide receiver coach, when Randy Moss, and then when they drafted Hernandez. So, I mean, he's, he's seen something. Now, you would say his resume shows since he's been a head coach and even at Penn State, he shies away from some of that stuff. But at the end of the day, he wants to win. And for as much as Twitter crushes him, he makes a playoffs every year. To me, now it's about making a legit run. And I think he saw last year against the Chief, like to win the AFC, more than likely you're going to have to score that 35, 40 points in the playoffs. And I, when I saw the clip of those two working out, I thought, you know, Pete Carroll, I bet he kind of wants that to happen.

And maybe he keeps talking with Russell, like, what do you think? Like, spend some time with them. Because you know Pete is as open-minded with anything when it comes to talented players. His history would show he'll do whatever it takes. And for as crazy as Antonio is, and he's, he's, he. had a 12-month stretch that I think we could put against any, you know, right? I'm just going to... Hey, how long was he with the Patriots?

Do we have the actual music? Can you look up a start and end date? It was literally... Probably eight days, 10? No, no, no. I would say it's probably in the like 20 to 25 day he was on the Patriots. I'm going to go like somewhere between, like, my over under is like 18 and I would take the over in terms of days.

actually on the roster. But there was literally a new story about him every single day. It was like a new league record. No one's ever done that. He showed up to Napa on a hot air balloon with fried feet and then immediately left. And part of it we didn't even know was because of a helmet issue. And then they ultimately cut him before, I think, even the fourth preseason game. 11 days, by the way, 11 days.

11 days. And then the moment he was cut, he started tweeting about Robert Kraft. issues in Florida. So he's, it's very, very risky. But his talent isn't just good. I mean, it's immense. Yeah. He had one of the great six-year stretches in the history of the NFL.

You could argue probably put the numbers up against any. He was elite. I got a couple other quick ones. We seem to have glossed over Ben Rothesberger, who wasn't great, although he threw for, he kind of did the James Winston, his last full year, you know, with the Antonio Brown thing, where he threw for 5,000 yards, but he didn't actually have a great year. year. He's coming off of Tommy John surgery. Does anyone have any kind of clue what Ben Rothsberger

in his late 30s off a surgery that football quarterbacks don't have? Do we have any sense for what he'll actually look like? See, I view him like one of those older pitchers that used to throw like 98. Now he's throwing like 99 or excuse me like 90. He just had Tommy John the equivalent for football. He's in his late 30s. He's finished 16 games, I think, four times. in the last decade. He just, to me, to depend on him, and listen, when he was at top of his game, he was a fantastic player. But when's the last time you've seen a player, a quarterback, throw the football, and then

grab his elbow like a pitcher. I don't think I've ever seen that in a game. And to me, his body's breaking down. He's never been a grinder in terms of his body. And now I think this offseason you've seen he tried really hard. Like, probably a little too late, you know. You know, there's just, there's a reason Brady and Breeze and Rock. Rogers, like, they take their health and fitness pretty seriously.

And you're just going to get hurt no matter what at quarterback sometimes. But he's a guy that's had some kind of innocuous injuries, right? It doesn't always feel like he's body flammed and he breaks his shoulder. It's like he just threw a football, literally threw a wheel route. And it was out for the season. It was over. Okay. You know, it's like, I don't expect much.

Let me circle back to Cam, because I do think the mistake that a lot of fans and some in the media make is, they think of 2015 Cam as Cam. He's had multiple, he had foot injury and an ankle injury since. He had two shoulder surgeries since. And when I was told by a front office guy was like, we weren't taking a look. We weren't thinking about him because we didn't like the way he threw a football after shoulder surgery last year.

What does Cam Newton actually look like as a quarterback in 2020? Yeah, I had a pro scouts tell me the same thing. that thought that their concerns, they needed a quarterback in their front office, was his shoulder shot. They think his foot can get healthy, and he's such a great athlete, that that was not their worries.

It was his shoulder was shot. And I think that ultimately is why he signed for $500,000, essentially, right? Because even Belichick, I mean, that's hedging your bet a little bit because you'd argue, well, he still gave him $500,000. He might be, he might not be able to throw. I mean, anywhere near what he was capable before.

He always threw. hard. It was erratic. But to me, by far, that is the biggest question mark. Can he consistently throw like he used to? Even when he was up and down, he was still a really good player. And I think there's a lot of people in the league that scouts, who had free agency meetings, that kind of pounded the table that he could not. And they believe they bet against it. And that's part of, you know, the deal in player acquisition. Sometimes you say the guy can't play and he's, he's either got to prove you wrong. I mean, people said that about Drew Brees once upon a time. obviously not apples to apples but

for every guy that does come back there are a lot of guys you know this guy's knee's never going to be right and then it's not so you know this is a big year for because if cam shows he can throw and they play well and they make the playoffs he'll resurrect his career really fast no question if he shows he can't

or he doesn't make the club it could very well be could very well be over john minnukov three now it's the podcast minnukov have yourself a safe and happy 4th july thanks so much for joining us you do duck see you there the Ryan music with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Hello, Ryan. Hello, Doug. I think this is your favorite story of the day. I can't believe we haven't gotten to it yet. And it's already our two. The NBA is considering having the eight non-playoff teams create a second bubble,

according to ESPN, and finish off their season. Not in Orlando. We're the best loser ever. The idea, according to ESPN, is to provide the eight non-playoff teams with options to play out of concern that the long layoff would adversely impact young players and their ongoing development. So it's Summer League. Basically. Yeah, this is a bad idea. This is one that sounds like a good idea.

And you're like, eh, the problem is, it's a really bad idea. Doesn't it, I mean, I guess there's something to be said for having the players on. your roster try and develop together. But given the circumstances... But they're not actually... The best players aren't actually going to play. Like, Zach Levine won't play. Right.

Why would he... Tore's knee up, he's not... Before, earlier in his career, he's not going to play. Steph Curry's not going to play. Clay Thompson's not... Like, these guys aren't going to play. So you're going to have essentially summer league level stuff, which is it really worth investing all that money and doing it in Chicago.

The answer is no. Like, they can play at their facility, allow them to open their facilities, and if they want to have workouts there, have workouts there. They want to schedule scrimmages, have them do it. I do think this reiterates my point that basketball players play basketball. They just do. They'll play at UCLA's men's gym or they'll play at that workout club in New York where Carmelo is the greatest L.A. Fittie Mello.

Hoodie Mello is the greatest player ever, right? But the idea of the NBA sanctioning in this one, it smells like a participation trophy. Now, look, could you do it so the last place team gets demoted, right, to the G-League? Like, that'd be fun, but that's not really the way it works. Okay. Now, I'm going to need you to help me explain the significance of this. Okay. Now, I'm going to need you to help me explain the significance of this.

McCour-Maker, he made a big decision. He decided to go to Howard, a historically black university and college. Uh, I mean, like, look, he declared for the end. NBA draft because he's old enough. He probably wouldn't get drafted. He's the cousin of Thonmaker. Right. And they have a similar same guy as the handler.

And so I don't know if he actually would have gone to UCLA or Kentucky, but he was technically recruited by them. It's big in that there's a push. And I actually understand this one. Like, look, why aren't you supporting a, if you're only going to go for a year or you've going to, why not go to historically black college university? Why not? Like, and the problem has been, they haven't been well funded.

they haven't been well supported in terms of their athletic departments. Kenny Blakeney's their coach. He played at Duke. Great dude. His first year, it was a struggle. They only won three Division I games. So it's not like you put them on the team and all of a sudden, boom, they're in the NCAA tournament, right? But it's a big thing.

It's a big thing also because there's kidding, Mikey Williams, who's from San Diego, San Ysidro, from San Diego area. And he's the best freshman in the country. and he has said he might go to an HBCU. If that happens, that changes things. For historical perspective, just so people understand, there was a time in the 1970s when a good number of the top level black recruits in the country went to Ivy Leaks,

James Brown, you know the CBS James Brown? He was a great basketball play. He was a great player at Harvard. He went to Harvard. He was a great player at Harvard. And that movement was to kind of even the playing field in terms of getting, it was a respect for the level of education in the Ivy League. I think this could be a thing.

But Thonmaker's not a beloved guy on the AAU circuit, and I don't know if it's a trend or if it's an outlier. As of now, it's a big story and just an outlier. And that's Rye Music with News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Where will Antonio Brown end up next?

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So where's Antonio Brown go? Now, it's fascinating. We just had a discussion with John Middokoff, and my suggestion was Houston. And the logic is that Bill O'Brien, we kind of crushed or people kind of crush Bill O'Brien for the Laramie Tunsell trade and the Laramie Tunsel contract

or maybe more importantly Judevion Clowny and Newk Hopkins both traded away. And then you kind of stop and look at it and you start to understand that there was a logic behind it. Right? Like look, do I think Newk Hopkins

is awesome? Of course. Not a blind man. Like he's amazing. He's been arguably the best or one of the two or three best, Julio Jones I think is the best, but two or three best wide receivers in the league over the past two or three years. Now, when Deshawn Watson's healthy, they're a playoff team. I think Deshawn Watson is a bigger part of that tandem, but it's not because New Hopkins isn't fantastic. But his contract demands correlating with where he is in his kind of career

and in combination with understanding where the wide receiver position is going contract-wise. Remember, his contract's coming up and Michael Thomas got what, was it 20 a year? He got 20-year, right? And then you look at what Amari Cooper got and you start to understand that Newk Hopkins thinks I'm better than Michael Thomas.

I'm better than him. So the way it works in the NFL is, I should get more money. And I'm not sure that Bill O'Brien actually totally disagrees with that. It's just, does that make sense for our franchise, considering we're going to have to pay to Sean Watson, and we're going to have to pay Larry Me Tunsell? And his answer is, no, it didn't make sense. And at the time, you thought, well, you know, you only get a third round pick. It wasn't like that was the only offer that they got.

It wasn't like, well, first trade offer were moving him. They got the most they could get at the time. Do I love the David Johnson acquisition? If he's healthy, I do. and his contract comes off the books at the end of next year, freeing up more money for Deshaun Watson. That's why Antonio Brown makes sense. He's put up with Crazy before when he was in New England.

He needs a little bit of locker and swag, and he's taking other risky propositions. Seattle, of course, makes sense because they need a top-wide receiver and they've put up with Crazy before. But don't underestimate Houston and Bill O'Brien. He's made the best decision for his football team in the past, It stands the reason he'll do it again. Will the Redskins change their name, or maybe more importantly, should they?

We discuss next. I'm Doug Gottlieb, and you are listening to The Herd on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. What up? Welcome in. This is The Herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be making as part of your day. I'm Doug Gottlie. Filling in for Colin Cowherd.

Well, no sports that you really care about this weekend. Right? I think that's the way to address it now. Right. NASCAR's been going on, but, come on. Golf. Baseball coming back. Basketball coming back.

We got some breaking news on the bubble not being burst, but apparently the bubble. Having a bit of a turnstile, you can go out and re-enter. I can prove that to you one NBA All-Star. This is going to experience that. We have questions about college football. We have questions about the NFL and about the NBA's bubble. But they appear all to be on the horizon of coming back.

We'll see. My personal suggestion is, don't be a dope. Just wear a mask. The worst thing that could happen is you don't get sick and you don't get people around you sick. And it might be a little bit uncomfortable. and you might actually, here's the thing about masks, underrated part about masks.

You always wondered what your breath smelled like, right? Have you ever wondered? Like, I've always thought that there should be an international symbol for you got some bad breath, dude, because you can't just say like, hey, man, you got bad breath. Because people will take that as, why, like, you're just trying to give a friend a heads up.

I've always, like, you touch, do you touch your nose? But does that, is that the international sign for cocaine? I don't know. I've never done cocaine. I've never actually seen cocaine outside of movies. Is that the sign for cocaine? Or can we make that the sign for your breath spat, stinking up the place?

Now you don't have this question. You put the mask on. You're like, what does that smell? It's you! Right? There's a couple rules that you should know as a man. If you can smell your own B.O, it's really bad. Because sometimes you have a little B.O.

You get a little bit, but you can't smell it. If you can smell your own cologne, you got too much cologne on. And just a little bit. You don't need to smell it. trust me, everybody else can. And now if you're wearing a mask, you can smell your own breath.

And you're like, whoa, whoa, I had no idea. Why don't you guys say anything? Like, I don't know. It's just rude to say. Like, I offered you gum. Anytime somebody offers you gum, you're like, oh, is my breath bad? No, no, no, no, no, no.

Just here. I love this gum. Try something. Right? We're all so cautious about offending one another. Perfect example of that is what's happening in Washington. I've worked for three corporations now. they're all different and they're all kind of the same. I've worked all three plays. I work for ESPN for

CBS and now Fox and you can have whatever your thought is of all three places, but they all generally like, I work in the sports division. So it's just about let's talk about sports. Let's have some fun. We want to be as accessible to everybody as possible. Like there's no reason to need to offend somebody. You just not. Talk about sports and what people are talking about sports. But sometimes sports and politics do intersect. And this has been an ongoing on and off again deal between the Redskins and the left who wants to change the Redskins nickname. I've been doing this for 18 years. It's really the second time it's really come up.

You know, about five years ago, there was this push where people stopped saying the Redskins. There were some people on TV that stopped saying the Redskins. nickname. They would call them the football team of Washington, just Washington, as is their right to do. And then that kind of went away. Dan Snyder said put it in caps. We're not changing the name. So I've been asked, well, okay, what is working in these corporations? Like, okay, I do think one of the things that corporate America struggles with is we, and again, this is like the media. I hate when media guy says the media, like, well, you're in the media. So now I work for a corporation. I want to make sure that I say we, we as corporate America.

I think one of the things is we don't, no, we do we not want to, we don't want to offend somebody, but we also, like, sometimes we think we may have offended somebody even though we know we didn't, but we're just so cautious of it that we apologize before or change something before it's even possible. Like, really? Nobody was offended by that. And I actually believe that in many ways,

Redskins are that nicknosed. name in sports. Teresa Vargas is a columnist from the Washington Post. She wrote an article last August. Okay. So this is not 1900s. This is not 1995. This is not 2005.

This is 2019. She cited a Washington Post poll from three years ago. This is 2016. And an Annandberg Public Policy Center poll was 12 years before that. So a little bit dated in terms of terms of, but 500 people identified as Native Americans were asked what the first word they came to mind when they were said, told about Redskins. And the number one word was proud. Nine out of ten Native Americans were not offended by the team's name. And so what happens is I do understand like you don't want to have a nickname or a word.

used constantly that people would deem to be offensive. But I think, and this goes hand in hand with the story of the day, you have to, this is a lot like the statues which people are considering taking down. What is it, what was the impetus behind somebody building a statue, curating a statue and artists making a statue and putting up a statue to begin with? What was the impetus of the nickname? There's a website called hogshaven.com or hogshaven.com. Hogshaven, hogs used to be the name for the offensive line.

Joe Bugle, who just passed away was the famous offensive line coach when they were in countertray. They won three soups with three different quarterbacks. Joe Gibbs was the coach. Remember that? That was when the Redskins were at their absolute peak. So that's where the, that's where hogs comes from. Oh, that's offensive. You can't call offensive linemen hogs.

That's like pigs. That's fat shaming them. That's where we are in 2020. But it's interesting. It actually, in an article written, goes back into the history of the Redskins. And see, what happens is we combined George Preston Marshall, who was the owner of the Washington Redskins when they brought them down from Boston.

There was Boston Braves that wanted to change the name. George Preston Marshall's statue has been taken down because he is deemed to be a racist. He was the last NFL owner to integrate his team. But as the article states, the nickname, though he was a racist against black people play in the National Football League, he wasn't actually anti-Native American. And the nickname was meant to honor Native Americans, as were the traditions. He was the last owner to integrate, despite the fact that teams of that era were largely,

you know, they didn't take full advantage of the talent pool. But people think that because he was a racist, he was anti-Native American. And that's why they picked Redskinsk. Nothing can be further from the truth. The word redskin reflects the genuine Native American idiom that was used by several languages where it grew out of an earlier established and more widespread use of red and white as racial labels. This terminology was developed by Native Americans to label new categories of a new ethnic and political reality as they confronted with the coming new world of Europeans.

It actually goes back to historic 19. 1700s. You know? And in the 1800s, the term redskin was used by American Indian leaders to create a sense of supratribal identity negotiating with the U.S. government. In other words, it was a unifying name. And when you look around the National Football League, you have the chiefs and you have the redskins. In determining, in using a word, you say, that person is a redskins. would that be determined to be a word that you wouldn't use?

Sure, but it's actually never used. Like, do I understand it could be deemed to be a negative? Yes, an offensive, I guess, yes, if it was used. But it's not. It's not like the N-word in any way in which is used to describe somebody in a negative context. It just isn't. It's not in songs, it's not in English language, it's not used on tribal lands. It's simply not.

But we've determined because we want to write the wrongs of history that somehow this is a current wrong now. The Redskins released a statement in the light of recent events around the country, feedback from our community. The Washington Redskins are announced and the team will undergo a thorough review of the team's name. This review formalizes the initial discussions the team has been having with the league. in recent weeks. Dan Snyder, owner of the Redskins, stated this process allows the team to take into account not only the proud tradition and history of the franchise, but also the input of our alumni, the organization, the National Football League, and local community. It is proud to represent on and off the football field. Ron Rivera, the new head coach, quote, this is an issue of personal

importance to me and I look forward to working closely with Dan Snyder to make sure we continue the mission of honoring supporting Native Americans in our military. I'm reasonable to believe that it's more likely than not that the name gets changed. But when you look at the creation of the nickname, it wasn't created with any sort of intent of racism, with any sort of intent at negativity, quite the opposite. The fight song of the Redskins is hail to the Redskins. That is honoring the Redskins.

And if Redskins is determined to be a Supra tribal, somehow combination of all of the different tribes, there's no possible way in which you can try and tell me that is in any way offensive. It's just not. But I also know, again, from working in corporate America or TV radio corporate America, that we so desire to not offend

that many times we will act as if a portion of the population is offended when, by all polls, is not actually offended. Quite the opposite. Look, if you really care about Native America, Americans, shouldn't we be raising money or their tribal lands to have better schools, better roads, better lives? Just a thought. If it is the one place or obviously now chiefs would be even more prideful. Like I would guess that if you ask people on Native American lands now about Redskins, they would not be as proud.

Why? Because the Redskins suck. And if the Redskins were back 15, 20 years ago winning Super Bowls, it would be a point of pride, as the Chiefs are now. Whereas if you asked people about the Chiefs five years ago, he'd be like, man, they suck. They always lose that home in the first round of playoffs. I just, look, I get it.

I understand that we should progress. We should evolve. We should offer more people opportunities to succeed. But I also have to, you have to take a breath at some point. And ask yourself, Honestly, if Native Americans aren't offended by a word that is meant to describe all Native Americans and honor them, and what is the other option? The other option is some cartoonish nickname that offends nobody.

And it also wipes any sort of Native American honoring and culture from the National Football League, or at least from the NFCs, because you still have the Chiefs. Is that a better option? And if we're going to take down names and symbols and images and mascots that offend, should we consider doing that to Washington, D.C.? George Washington was a slave owner. He was. He also, he and his family, they took land from Native Americans.

We can take down the Washington Monument. We're going to change the dollar bill? We're going to forget that he was the first president of the United States and he was a leader in the Revolutionary War? We're going to do that because there was some bad with. the good. By the way, I hate to be this guy, but there is no world in which a pirate, when you look at the definition of what a pirate is, that is a positive image that you want representing your city. We can ask Pittsburgh do that. We're going to ask the Tampa Buccaneers to change from the Tampa Buccaneers. What do you think of Buccaneers? Sure, we like to think of

Johnny Depp as a really good-looking drunken pirate. who makes off with the ladies, but the reality is, I'm your captain now, is more parallel with what pirates really like. Vikings, raped and pillaged. It could be deemed to be offensive to Nordic people. I don't want to be seen as a Viking cartoonish character

that rapes and pillages in Minnesota. Why do we get singled out? When the reality is, I don't know if anybody's really offended. And if Native Americans aren't really offended, then, and if the word isn't actually used in the English vernacular and the impetus of that image of the term Redskin was created by Native Americans to signify the unification of their culture, I feel like we're doing this thing to where we could look up and think about the history and have an honest discussion and make a decision, which is what? the Redskins feel like to do? Or we could just go, you know what? FedEx might pull their money. And so let's make the switch really quick. Look, the exercise here, and this is important, is to hear each other out. But the problem with a good portion of the people who feel like

they haven't been heard for a long time is they actually don't want to listen. So let me speak from somebody who's in the middle, because I really am. I hear you. You got to be. You got to hear the other side too. And there is a portion of the other side that goes like, wait, the Redskins, like, I don't know, I look at the image on the side of the helmet and I think that is a proud Native American warrior. Why would anybody be offended by a proud Native American warrior unless your team is a complete and utter abject disaster?

Which at Gottlieb show is in fact the Twitter handle. The Doug Gottlieb show airs after this one, 3 to 6 Eastern, 12 to 3 Pacific. Coming up next. Up until this point, they've been able to escape. But I think the NBA has some interesting decisions to make. You'll hear them next in the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Did you know that right now, Geico is offering an extra 15% credit on car, motorcycle,

and RV policies. That's 15% on top of what GEICO could already save you. So what are you waiting for? Save an extra 50% on when you switch by October 7th. Visit GEICO.com to learn more. So you may have heard earlier this week that the NFL decided, all right, we're only going to play two preseason games. So who does that hurt?

That hurts guys either trying to make the club or put on tape something to show themselves to make another club. Well, the NFLPA, this is the Players Association, membership voted on a conference call this week to not play any preseason games ahead of the 2020 regular season NFL Network's Mike Garifolo reported. So where are we with this? Well, look, there's a lot of discussion about COVID-19 and what the world's going to look like in September or at least in August, and we have no idea. We seem to be trending in the right direction, flattening the curve, et cetera. Now we seem to be trending in the wrong direction.

The problem with what the NFL PA wants to do, and this is really important, like, look, you can vote to not have any preseason games, but there is a downside. What is the law of was to cause and effect? For any action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. So I want people to understand, like the preseason games. exist for a multitude of reasons. One, you want to have a dress rehearsal. You want to have a dress rehearsal. I mean, I think it's interesting. I talked before about working for three networks and doing three different ways of doing TV on TV or college basketball games on TV or NFL games on TV. When I was at ESPN, we didn't rehearse, but we would meet beforehand and have

general rundown or have a rundown of every half time, have a rundown of every show and usually a meeting versus show. When on CBS, they not only had the rundown in a meeting, but you would actually rehearse a halftime segment. It was intended so that everything, all the camera shots, all the replays, all the highlights,

everything looked seamless. Now, while working at CBS, we work with Turner in the NCAA tournament. Turner's belief, is quite the opposite. Those guys don't want to meet. They don't want this. Tell us right beforehand what we're going to talk about. And let's just talk ball.

And you guys put up whatever highlights and we'll just react to it. And then Fox is kind of somewhere in the middle of all three. And while I love the organic discussion of Turner, I will tell you that when you're CBS, you know exactly when the highlights coming, the ESPN, same, like, there is something to having a, we don't just wing it here on the herd, like, call. And he's in six o'clock in the morning every every morning and he lines out. This is what we're doing this segment. We thoroughly discuss it.

So the NFLPA, so first in terms of football, not having any, not having any preseason games seems suboptimal for the first month of the season. First month of the season considering the lack of contact and and and and workouts with teammates over the past since with this new collect, since they put the new collective bargaining agreement, it hasn't been good. The Patriots were one of the first ones to go like, yeah, it's extended preseason, and other teams take it as such.

But not having any preseason games? That's winging it. Additionally, and this is probably most importantly, the idea that NFL teams are going to be able to appropriately handle COVID-19 and social distancing without having any sort of dry run without having any preseason because a preseason game you have what half to a third the number of normal fans

that seems suboptimal doesn't it and here's the last and maybe most important thing the NFL PA does know that the NFL makes money off these precinct games right like you do know that they part of what they pay you for from 40% of revenues from baseball and I believe basketball and football same are from the gate so you're already cutting out one home game now you're cutting out a second home game so I I want, here's what you need to take a breath and realize. Okay, if you're an NFLPA member, you're asking people, fans, to buy season tickets for a season that you don't know if it's going to happen. If it happens, you don't know if you'll be able to have full attendance. And, oh, yeah, by the way, you're cutting out two now, two home dates, which hurts the team in terms of because anybody who's ever bought season tickets for how they make it work, right?

Well, you got to buy 10 home games, two preseason games, full price. Harts the vendors, hurts the parking, all of that revenue. And by the way, what do they use the revenue for? Oh, the salary cap. Huh. Huh. The same players that can't understand why Patma Holmes hasn't gotten a long-term deal yet. Why Chris Jones isn't getting a long-term deal.

you name player that's holding out, we don't know if we're having a season. If we have a season, we don't know if we're having preseason games, so we're going to have less revenue. And even if you have gates open in September, full attendance, how many people are actually going to go?

And of the people that were actually going to go, how many people actually have jobs? I know unemployment's now down 11% or something. People are starting to be hired back, but we start shutting things down, unemployment skyrockets again. And oh yeah, by the way, certain businesses have been hurt beyond repair. They're still going to be. And some people aren't applying for unemployment.

Like real unemployment is in the 20% and guess who buys tickets? Oh, and then that's not even considering. I don't actually know why people buy season tickets to the NFL. I love the NFL. I watch games, but I watch on Red Zone and on TV because it's great. And when I'm in a stadium, I can only watch. that game. I understand what the NFLPA and their membership is doing. They're probably trying to say, hey, you know, the fewer times that we're exposed to this thing, the preseason

games, dudes only get hurt. It doesn't really benefit us. It does. Maybe not this year, but in years to come when the next salary cap, next year is way lower than you thought, remember this vote this week as at least a portion of the reason why. Let's get to rhyme music with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Doug, we have a bit of breaking news here out of the NFL.

Adam Schaefter tweeting out Brown's tied in, David Njoku and his agent, Drew Rosenhouse, asked today for the team to trade him. Yeah. Well, they signed Austin Hooper to a big deal. So people, things aren't, so Cleveland's going to Cleveland. That's basically what it is. It does appear that way. what we thought was supposed to be the most quiet Cleveland off season. No more talking from Baker.

We haven't really heard much or seen much of Odo Beckham Jr. or Jarvis Landry. They did a front office change. They did a whole coaching staff change. But everyone always finds a way to go back to the core of who they are. And the Cleveland Browns are unfortunately doing that in the worst way possible. Regress towards the mean, right? Yes, gress to the mean? Regress to the mean.

Excuse me. Look, Hooper's better And Joku was always a developmental guy Just a freak freak athlete Had some injury problems I don't know if you'd say injury prone Because some of them were But he's only been in the league for two years

Right So to have injuries this early on I mean like look if he's under contract I don't see Cleveland moving him I just don't you can be unhappy The issue Kevin Stavansky is going to run into is He wants to run the football Right

You always do what you were most successful. You regressed toward your own mean. You do what you're most successful. And when they were in, the reason he got the job was, I'm sure he told them, like, look, look at Kirk Cousins out of play action. Look at Baker Mayfield's numbers out of play action. When you give a guy a running game, you legitimately run the football. It makes playing the position much, much easier.

In order to make play action work, you got to run the ball. And they got a great, great running back room. they seem to fix the offensive line. So I don't think in Joku or Hooper or O'Dell Beckham Jr. or Jarvis Lill, I don't think they're going to be happy in the end anyway because those guys, especially, I mean, Hooper just got his deal, so the other three won't be because they weren't about their next deal. So I'm not sure there's a marriage that lasted, but I also don't know why the Browns would make a move now when the league's not even open.

They haven't had a practice yet with the new offense, and his value isn't exactly skyrocketing high. Yeah. And the Browns, we always talked about how it felt as though there were way too many mouths to feed. Yes. There are, but this is like the guy, this is like when there's a coaching change made in college sports and a guy before playing his first practice for a guy asked to be transferred. I asked to ask to transfer. Right. That's what we're doing. David and Joku has not played a down for Kevin Stavansky.

And they've already determined I don't want to play for Kevin Stavansky. Yeah, it is interesting in that respect that. You know, maybe there was already, I don't see this being how it played out. Perhaps there is something where he's already been told through some back channels, hey, you should probably expect to get a reduced role since we already have Austin Hooper. Sure. However, one thing about Stefansky and what they did in Minnesota was they did a lot of two tight-end sets. So I guess maybe he's just sort of assuming that.

It doesn't really seem to make sense. but we'll see what happens there in Cleveland. We can talk a bit of NBA here, Doug. I saw you tweet this article out. Gordon Hayward looking to potentially leave the NBA bubble due to the birth of his fourth child. His wife is currently pregnant. He said, quote, there will be a time if and when we're down there and she's going to have the baby. I'm for sure going to be with her.

We'll have to cross that bridge when we get there. Like we operate in this. What you hear as a fan, unfortunately, is, only what's being shared by players who don't want to go, right? And they're like, you know, I don't want to go because I can't bring my kid or like, I'm not saying everything is going to be easy and seamless. We're trying to all working around something that hasn't been done before. But I'm guessing that if Gordon Hayward, they have a baby, and they're going to have a baby,

that's what happens when you're pregnant, right, that he'll leave and there'll be some sort of way in which he could be tested when he comes back. That's how it works. Like, okay. Yeah. We can all figure this thing out. Yeah, Hayward had said, I know the NBA has a protocol for that type of thing, and hopefully I can do the quarantine and testing the appropriate amount of time

and then be back with the boys. This according to ESPN, Hayward is right. The NBA has built-in protocols for approved admances such as this, and it requires the player to leave the bubble under those circumstances for fewer than seven days testing negative on each day that he is not inside the bubble. he would have to quarantine for up to four days upon returning. Up to four days, right? There's a bunch of, like, if you tested for seven straight days,

and you come back and you test negative in your first day, you're not going to stay in quarantine for four days. It's just the department of redundancy department. Doug, have you picked up any new habits, new activities specifically that you've been doing during quarantine? Did the walks thing? Did the walks thing? Yeah.

Kind of over the walks thing? Well, I mean, Jim's did open up for a while, so I was doing a gym workout and then we've done a lot of beach stuff. I mean, why? What's the question? Well, Coach O has a new hobby. Go taggers. Boxing.

Boxing. Go taggers. He's always been a big fan of boxing apparently growing up, but has never had the time being a college football coach. So now he's had the time. He's been training in the ring for six hours each week. Each week? Each week. So probably somewhere around an hour or so a day.

Yeah. I mean, guys do throw out a number. Like, oh, I've been training for 10 hours a day or like six hours a week. I buy that. I buy that for sure. I buy that, right? Like, he gets in there. He hits the heavy bag.

You know, he does some jump rope, does some abs. He gets in there, spars a little bit. Yeah. I mean, I just wonder if they have, like, legit sparring partner, a guy who takes a dive because he's coach at LSU, right? Well, the article from Sports Illustrated doesn't say like he's actually going in and boxing against other people. He's just working with one trainer. Have you ever done like a boxing workout? I have not.

Have you? Yes. Okay. Is it as difficult as it looks? Yes. Wow. Yes. I mean, what an, it's an unbelievable.

By the way, Mike Tyson's birthday was two nights ago, right? Mike Tyson. I mean, what an, those guys, that's an unbelievable sport. Right. The sweet science, incredible. But it's as good a workout as you're going to find. It's great. Great.

How did you, was it like once and you were like, I can't even think about doing that. No, no, no, no. I used to, when I was in working in New York City, I used to, there was a, place in Connecticut where you go and you go early in the morning and it would be an hour and you'd be dead. You ever gotten to fight as a little kid? Well yeah, no, I imagine. And how tired do you get when you get a fight? Oh my God, I'm so tired.

Yeah, that's for like 90 seconds. You wrestle and then you're like, I'm done. I'm done. Tap out. Yeah. No. And that's right. Music with the News. No, thanks. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. Start your day with MDrive Start, the world's best morning shake. If you're looking for more

and lean muscle. You have to try this product. Check out mDrivevstart.com. MDrive start.com. There was a, you grew up in Torrance, right? Torrance, California. Okay. What was your elementary school called? Riviera. River. Oh, Riviera. I went to Riviera Elementary School. Bing Crosby named it. Anyway, what was the place where did they fight at Riviera Country Club? I mean, Riviera Country. Yeah, yeah, you know me, Doug. Riviera Elementary School. Well, it backed up against the park, which was rocket ship park. So you just walk out the back gate and go to the park. So somebody would say, like, they want to challenge you to a fight.

They would say, meet me at the rocket ship. I'll see you at rocket ship. I'll see a rocket ship. Rocket ship, three o'clock. So I went to my first school in California was Jordan Elementary, the Jordan Jaguar. Shout out, Orange, California. There was a place behind the school called the ditch. Okay.

Now it's like a park, but it was a cutout ditch there. And it was almost like a quarry. And you'd fight at the ditch. and then when I was It almost would have been better if it was called the pit Like I'll see you at the pit But it was called the ditch So I can't make it

I can't change the name now Should have been a trailblazer done There was at LaVita Elementary School I went to LaVita 4th through 6th grade LeVita Elementary School Used to if you were going to kiss A girl or whatever Meet a girl

It was behind the Behind the kindergarten room But if you're going to fight It was in front of the kindergarten room Where there was a tree meet you at the tree. Feel free to tweet me, Ad Gottlieb. Hold on, hold on.

Why would you fight in front of the room? Wouldn't there be teachers there? That's a good question. I don't really remember. I know five-year-olds don't really have. It's not five-year-olds? It's just like we were like 10, 11, 12. Oh, you're not talking.

So you'd be older, but then you'd go to the kindergarten room, where the kindergarten room is. Yes. I thought you were kindergarten. Like, me after school. Me me after school at the tree. Okay. It was at the tree, and there was like a tree

was kind of blocked off, and that's where dudes used to, I don't know why I was on campus. That seemed dumb to me. Yeah. But they would, yeah. And then those guys that would, you'd get your first kiss in the cheek or whatever would be behind the kindergarten room.

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But I have the top 10 movies of my lifetime. And I'll tell you why I'm getting to that best for last. Next in the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHard Radio app. Imagine picking up your smartphone, open an app and controlling your grill remotely from anywhere. Do what I did. Get the best. Get a rectech grill. That's rectechgrills. R-E-C-C-Grills with an S.com. Doug Gottlieb in for Colin.

Do do-dun-dun-dun-dun-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d--------------. do you know what today signifies? Anybody know what today signifies? Huh. Okay. So how about this one? It's the 35th anniversary of Back to the Future. And back, the original Back to the Future, Back to the Future, Michael J. Fox.

And it didn't make our list, but Michael J. Fox, Teen Wolf, that was a fun movie, right? But Michael J. Fox plays Marty McFly. Remember Biff, Biff Tannen. Of course, Biff has become a nickname for somebody else that we in social media and the media sometimes use occasionally for the leader of the free world. I've heard Biff Biff as a nickname. It is not an endearing nickname. But it was an incredibly influential movie, which takes us to the, the best for last.

But that doesn't mean we're phoning it in. Nope. We grind to the very last segment. It's time for best for last. Okay, so here's the thing. I'm going to take back to the future off of this list because I don't think of it as the best or most

influential movie of all time. I think he's really, really good. But I have lots of, every TV producer I've ever had when you've given them a list or a movie film guy or somebody who's worked in the industry is like, man, back to the future has to be on the list. Because of some of the things they did in terms of making it look like the 1950s, because of how buttoned up the storyline was, the disappearing hand when he's when he was playing at the guitar. It was before really CGI took effect, you know, like there's a lot to it. So if some people list back to the future on its 35th anniversary is the greatest move of all time.

I'm going to give you my top 10 list of my personal most influential movies of my life. Number 10. I'm going to remember the Titans. First is my son's favorite movie. Second, there's lots of period pieces from the civil rights era. It combines sports with a true story. It gives us reference points. Sunshine, sunshine, right?

There's a lot. And there's other good football movies. Wildcats is underrated. I don't see you do no end zone dances, Marvell. but the only flaw I have is did they really run a statue of liberty and it fooled a defense? Like late in the game, that doesn't feel like that much of a trick play that can take you like 80 yards for a touchdown. If that's how it went down, I think less and less of the opposing coach in the state championship in the state of Virginia. Number nine.

It has John Malkovich, which automatically raises it up. it also lets me into a world I didn't know existed not just poker but the underbelly of poker games Rounders Rounders I've thought about other movies but Rounders in addition to teaching me about

poker and that subculture I just thought it was extremely well and it has John Malkovic who's amazing in it so Rounders is number nine I love sub-movies I love Tom Clancy. I'm a sucker for submovies. Westerns, although I didn't put Tombstone on here, that's a mistake. Westerns and submovies.

Best submovie, I've seen Das Boot, I've seen some of the other ones, Hunt for Red October. Hunt for Red, it's got James Earl Jones, Alec Baldwin, and Sir Sean Connery, who speaks Russian for about, I don't know, two minutes in the film. but it also takes us to the height of the Cold War Hunt for October 8.

Number 7. Personal favorite movie Smoking the bandit. Smoking the band. Buddy of mine has that transam. He's been trying to me to get to buy. If I had money, I would buy it. But I don't, so I'm going to keep putting him off and tell him don't sell it to anybody else

that's still my car. Again, like, there's, I didn't, did you know that there was a time which taking Coors beer across state lines was bootlegging? I didn't. Jackie Gleason is amazing in that movie. He is amazing. First thing I'm going to do when I get home is punch your mama in the mouth.

Line wouldn't make it in 2020, but when that was filmed, it was smoking the bandit. Number six. Deadpool. Deadpool. I thought it should have been best film that year. It was the best movie I saw. Ryan Reynolds is hilarious, much better looking than I am. It's funny.

It's meta. And normally I don't love Marvel. movies or, what is that called, X-Men movies? They're not, they have funny lines but aren't funny. It is straight up hilarious, not safe for kids. Number five. I'll put back to the future in five. I'll slide in there, okay?

Or can I, I'll take that out, I'll put tombstone in there. There, I got my Western, and I got Toonstone. I'm your Huckleberra. It's Huckleberra, bearer, not Huckleberry. You can look up why. Number four. A league of their own. Bull Durham was close, but a league of their own, Penny Marshall's movie,

Tom Hanks, Madonna's even good in it. Orozie O'Donnell's even funny in it. Oh, so many incredible lines. Number three. Shawshank Redemption. Shawshank Redemption. I didn't know the word obtuse until that movie. Number two.

Six cents. M. Knight-Shalmon gave us the greatest plot twist. Like, did you know he was dead? When did you guys know? My wife nudged me early on the movie. like, you know he's dead, right? I was like, stop it. No way. Watching the movie. And then at the end, like, I was wrong. I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was wrong. Number one. Empire Strikes Back. Now Empire Strikes Back is the most iconic movie of,

my lifetime, one, because it's the biggest franchise, it was the best film from the franchise, good doesn't always win, and it has the greatest lie in the history of filmmaking. Are you guys familiar with the line is? Han Solo is about to be cryogenically frozen. No one knows if he's going to make it. He's going to survive. He's going to be sent to Jabba the Hut. We don't know if he'll live when he's unfrozen or if he'll be given to somebody else he owes money to. Princess Leia, his love, who he thought was in love with Luke, turns out their brother and sister may work in some parts of the world or country, but not in space and a place far, far away. Anyway, she says, I love you. What does Han Solo say? I know. Empire strikes back. That's

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